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UK convinced Argentina plotting to blockade the Falklands: LAN airlink next target

Thursday, February 2nd 2012 - 05:40 UTC
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British diplomats have accused Argentina of plotting an economic blockade of the Falkland Islands amid fears Buenos Aires is attempting to block all flights from Chile to the Islands, reports the guardian.co.uk in a piece by Rory Carroll, Jonathan Franklin and Uki Goñi. Read full article

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  • dreyfoss

    This is intreresting as it put's Pinera in a very awkward spot and his decision on this issue will define Chile's stand on in this affair.
    I know there is some support within the Chilean political establishment to accede to Argentina's request largely because they see the growing crisis as a potential poltical opportunity should populist sentiment rise in Argentina's favour, which I have no doubt that it will.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    It is also well known that and economic bloackade is widely accepted under international law as just as much an act of war as that of a pyhsical blockade. If this does happen, then all i can say to all the argenitnians in argentina is enjoy the fireworks that will likely be raining down on BA and other major cities argentine cities, and also ensure yourselves and your loved ones keep well away for the cities, large towns and industrial areas otherwise you may get hurt or killed. And its would all be because your government pushed to far and committed an open act of war on the UK and the islanders.

    Seriously just how many more lifes, both british and argentine must be sacrificed other argentinas pathetic claims and attempts to colonise the islands against the wishes of the islanders and in contradiction to the core principles of the UN CHARTER? Argentina will only have itself and know one else to blame if we brits decide to kick your country back into the middle ages.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    So you are at war with Iran, then. And Syria.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    I fail to see how we are at war with iran, as they have not as yet attempted to block the haram straight as they had threatened too. Not to mention the USA and isreal will play major roles, and the UK would be free to play a smaller role in such war with iran. I also fail to see how we would be at war with syria. Syria is not the same as libya and we are likely not going to intervene unless something very drastic happens their that would force the international communities hand and preven russia and china from blocking NATO and UN lead military action. In otherwords syria at the moment all boils down to diplomacy in the UN, and would also likely be lead by the US, and UK would beable to play a back seat role.

    So in the event of either war with syria or iran, the UK would in both cases still be free and have the resources to defend falklands and even take the war to argentinas homeland, not to mention be supported by NATO allies and the US, as an economic blockade is deemed as an attack on a sovereign nations territory and the NATO and US as part of NATO are treaty bound upon british request to support britian if we so request their support which we will not likely need. We also have the option to call upon other commenwealth countries such as Canada, Australie, New Zealand, and so on.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    No flight = No Argentine access to the Islands !

    Every cloud, as they say ........ :-)

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Yes, I can envision it now, Nato, the EU, Canada, Australia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, the Pentagon, all joining you in a righteous campaign of bombing the Argentine mainland...

    When, in the real world outside your pixilated fancies, all countries are reluctant to join similar campaigns against feudal theologies which ensconced terrorists... And everytime a civilian is killed, it creates sever pressures on the governments involved by their peoples.

    Good luck with your drumming up support for carpet-bombing civilian cities in a country that has no terrorism links, didn't actually militarily attack anyone or killed anyone, and when most of the world's militaries are overstretched and nations are flirting with bankruptcy.

    What you just wrote is the most delusional, fantastical tale I have ever read here. :)

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Tobias, no one is saying that NATO the EU canada, australia etc would join us. I only stated that we can call upon them as a result of the FACT that argentinas economic blockade is an act of war against the UK and the islanders. And despite what you said about a countries reluctance to join such campaign, well you clearly forget NATO member countries are treaty bound to defend a fellow nato countries whos sovreignty has come under attack physically or economically via illegal economically aggressive actions of a foreign country, a matter of fact that you clearly conveinently perfer to forget, when you go on to accuse me of being a delunstional fantasy. Such an accusation coming for a tord that actually believes his country will get the falklands is itself delunsional you hypocrite

    So am sorry Tobias, but the above paragraph makes it clear i live in the real world and its you that lives in fanatasy land if you think your country can take hostile actions or commit hostile acts towards another country without the risk of it endinf in conflict. If you don't like the fact that at act of war by argentina (e.g. economic blockade) will likely result in your homeland being bombed, then perhaps you should go tell your dumb shit politicians to stop their acts of aggression, before its too late. As its quite clear once you stop the LAN flights, you will have used up all your available options short of a full on invasion of the islands in your attempt to get the islands.

    As for carpet bombing, we have not done that for decades, we have GPS satalite guided, and laser guided bombs and cruise missles now and have used them for years, instead. But off course argentina does not, so i geuss the only bombing methods you know is carpet bombing.

    As for me being delusional, well only a fucking idiot would say that at act of war by argentina would not lead to a conflict. Now what part of economic blockade being an act of war under international laws, did you not understand?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    I hear commodity prices have already increased in Malvinas. Is that actually true?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    The sooner they stop that flight the better....

    Its the very last rabbit in the Casa Rosada hat.......

    After that you just need to sit tight and wait for it all to implode in Fantasyland...12 months maybe.

    If they do something really silly... well I wouldn't want to be an RG in Rio Gallegos....
    That was a good idea two years ago... the photo recon of their facilities and the testing of the Rio Gallegos defences. Fog indeed ...obviously the RGs haven't heard of Sidney Cotton....

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    8 Helber

    Yes it is true. Also because of the looming massive economic oil boom the price of housing is rising fast. My investment properties are returning rents like never before and this is only the start.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    Good for you Las Malvinas son Argentinas. I wish you the best with those returns

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Feathers McGraw

    Hey ~ but that would mean ~ no more Argies into the Falklands, ever. Oh bugger :-)

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • teaberry

    We should ban the flight......stop any Argies coming in that would be just fab..............no more smellies coming in. It would be Xmas come early.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @13 whats up, you couldn't come up with your own unique name that you had use one similar to mine? I find that rather pathetic if true, as its nothing more than a sign of an argentines determination to attempt to undermine me. one guess, your tobias?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy1

    @13 ignore my last post i just reread your post and realised your on the islanders side. So sorry for my above post.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    Cameron, pirates and bullies!! only is impostant for uk oils and fishings!!
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/argentina-prince-william-should-be-statesman-not-conquistador-in-falklands-militarization/2012/01/31/gIQAbIFxfQ_story.html

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    Very simply, we should be seeking to ban all flights into Europe from both Argentine and Chilean commercial airlines in response, and our European partners should fully support such a response, if indeed they are our partners - which I have always doubted.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @16 Interesting... not once in the body of the article was the 'malvinas' word used...
    @8 fresh produce is always expensive in remote communities ... be they in Canada , Australia or the South Atlantic.

    The Falkland Islands don't need you people...suck it on down sunshine.....

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    Errr, Frank ....without wishing to offend, I seriously recommend you uses glasses when reading. The article does use Malvinas at least once rather than not once.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @9 Frank,
    Sir Sidney Cotton. Fascinating story. Born in Australia, where l went to highschool.
    l think he invented thermal underwear, too.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @19... article uses it as an aside at the end of a photo caption... not once in the body.....

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • falklandlad

    Sad day if the Argies do persuade Chile from continuing with LAN service to the Falklands. The immediate reaction would be instantaneous; the proper removal of all Argie bodies from the Goose Green cemetery and their swift repatriation in a reefer container to Argentina (irrespective of the international route it would take and time to deliver). Passions will run high on both sides, but ridding the Faklands of the Argentine Cemetery only has one winner - the people of the Falklands. Be warned... there will be lots of willing volunteers to take secure that position.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Quick question for a Falklander; why doesn't your gov't set up their own air link with Paraguay, Uruguay or Brazil through a charter airline? Whatever you are getting from Chile could certainly come from those countries.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    #23 Argentina won't allow charter flights to the Falklands, it tried to insist only its carrier would be permitted to fly through its airspace. FIG proposed open skies for charter flights.

    They also complained that the FIG wouldn't permit a charter flight from Argentine airlines, that was banned by their own rules.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    It is difficult to see why Nato, the EU, Canada, Australia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, the Pentagon would have to be called on. NATO, for example, generally only acts where the North Atlantic and surrounding countries are the area of interest. And as for the EU. Well, it can't even solve a little economic problem. Although Spain may get a little upset if argieland continues interfering with its fishing vessels. It's a little bit far for Canada and Australia. Australia, in particular, doesn't have much of a navy. And Canada's navy isn't much bigger. The Chilean navy is quite small. And much the same goes for the Brazilian navy.

    On balance, the Royal Navy with its 6 Type 45 destroyers, 13 Type 23 frigates, 6 Trafalgar-class and 2 Astute-class nuclear-powered submarines should be quite adequate. After all, the Trafalgar and Astute boats can all fire up to 30 cruise missiles each. I rather imagine that in excess of 200 missiles landing could spoil any argie's day.

    As for the Pentagon? I wonder how the Pentagon would react to the proposition that all British forces would be withdrawn from Afghanistan. Interestingly, the new fleet of Airbus Voyager multi-role transport and tanker aircraft could remove all British ground troops in three round trips and refuel a number of combat aircraft at the same time with only one refuelling stop in, say, South Africa or at Ascension Island. As well as refuelling up to 244 combat aircraft on the way.

    By the way, @6, do you know of any cities that aren't civilian? Why would arieland need terrorist “links” when it is a terrorist state? as for militarily attacking someone, what do you think argieland did in 1982? Offer the Falklanders some games of chess? Or a spot of tennis?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • steve s

    we have to think about ,argentinian just want to share the land with the kelpers and respecting his culture but nothing should be do the british on this land ,or yes just like turist !!!

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    In 1970's my father responsible for helping to disappear many thousands of political traitors from this country but his work was undo by failiur of our coward military to win Las Mavlinas battle. But always remember that parents of disapeared were praising their government when we re-occupied Las Malvinas, this is proof that people believe in our country more than they care for their family. This is what make Argentine such strong country.

    We can be strong again, with all our might and all our passion directed at Las Malvinas and ignore all our problem at home, we can again be strong.

    Never give in to English colonials because our blood is thicker than water and the blood of Las Malvinas I believe is black gold for which many of us with right connections can get very rich from..

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Teaboy and Conqueror,

    Continue to roam out in the range if you wish. You are making yourselves idiots with your Vesuvian and asinine comments, no me.

    Conqueror, this is 2012, not 1982. Go check the calendar. What happened then cannot be used to stage any attack now (unless you were attacked again).

    And as for the bombing campaign in response to a banned flight (and lets keep in mind I am simply entertaining wacky vagaries), what would be the targets? :) Can you really state with a straight face that if the UK did something like that it would not instantly become a pariah and forever lose all good standing in the entire planet?

    If that is the price you want to pay for a LAN flight, well, that is your call. But then again, it isn't.

    What I would buy is some sort of push by the UK to thwart any accomodation for Argentina in other areas, be it financial discussions, trade, etc, or at least make life very difficult in such negotiations.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Knocking out the oil refineries would be all they need to do to put Argentina into a severe depression. They could warn them missals are going to be fired so all the people are evacuated then take them out. There would be nothing Argentina could do but complain to the UN. Which means they will send the UK a strongly worded letter 12 months later.
    I don't think it would make UK into a pariah it's Argentina who has been escalating this not them and everyone knows it.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I'm starting to believe some of you are rather sickly.

    It will never happen. Partly because the honorable people of the UK and the entire world, which obviously you as individuals are not part of, would never sanction it.

    The only thing that would is an actual military incident. Anything else will never justify such measures. Welcome to the real world, again.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Green Goose

    @26 Who's the “we”? You're very obviously not British.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    Oh God, this is very depressing. I feel sorry for the guys living there if this turns into a full econimic blockade. Personally I'm not sure what would happen. We would obviously support the Islanders and complain to the UN The UN would probably tell us to discuss sovereignty. I don't see why we don't to be honest. We just say that they have been living there for 9 generations and then ask for a vote from the Islanders (with such vote to be monitored by the UN). We all know which way they would vote. This would also make any further effort from the Argy government to blockade/bully the Islanders more obvious/increasingly unacceptable. It may then push public opinion further in support of teh Islanders and garner protection from the UN.

    I would be interested to hear what other people think about this (sensible discussion if possible)...!

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 20 isol

    Sir Sydney invented thermal underwear ?

    I too invented the metal parrot which knows /forecasting coming economic crises.. !

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    15 Teaboy1 “@13 ignore my last post i just reread your post and realised your on the islanders side. So sorry for my above post”
    You British fool :-))) Get some coffee instead of tea.

    What blockade? after all UK is around the corner 8000 miles away.
    We are not in the 19th century anymore, you don't tell us what do and if you have problems to run a colony from far away Europe or is too expensive is not our problem sorry.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mariana

    >>No flight = No Argentine access to the Islands !
    I abosolutly right wit this. Argies should not let flight from punta arenas to puerto argentino anymore ! and the kelpers or benny as british military say should look for any other rut such as from chile to australia and the to Islas Malvinas so that kelpers don't use the Argentinean air space. As kelper are british they have so much many to pay food, clothes etc in Euro not in pesos as they are doing. I really think kelper need Argentina mucher than england , they need money from tourism and they need that argys let them to go to chile to buy cheap comodities.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dreyfoss

    32 Welsh Wizard (#)
    You raise an interesting point.
    The islanders appear to be quite determined to get that oil regardless of the risks involved in antagonising not just Argentina but the whole of South America which reveals perhaps a fatal flaw in their nature ie - greed.
    The Islanders know that this issue will rapidly evolve into a nationalist driven populist political platform driven particularly by South America's recent catastrophic experience through liberalist policies opening up South American resources and national utilities to anglo-american and european speculators - an experience which has generated much ill-feeling amidst South Americans and even greater suspicion.
    So we must ask ourselves a simple question: how far will the islanders go in order to aquire the riches they obviously lust for?
    Will they eventually consider that a peacefully negotiated exchange of sovereignty brokered by the Un in which they retain their cultural identity via their British citizenship, their autonomy and control over their economy including at least 15% of any oil reserves - pursuade them that a 'bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' ?
    Or will they gamble on 'all or nothing' ? Because if this issue deteriorates to the point where it becomes a struggle between two cultural identies - Anglo/Hispanic - then Britain can only possibly lose and the islanders may be faced with the daunting prospect of leaving their islands with little more than a suitcase each.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Braedon

    @36 dreyfoss
    the islanders are happily taking advantage of their national resources, which unlike argentina's resources were not taken through genocide of natives. South america, as shown by the pathetic “symbolic blockade” does not care about argentina's delusions.

    and whining about nationalism is amusing from a deluded argentine like yourself, given the countless thousands of argentines butchered by nationalists, and the millions of you which marched in the streets when you invaded the Falklands.

    however, the islanders, unlike argentines, have an actual education which does not subsist of mastabatory jingoism, and thus they do not share your intellectual disabilities.

    argentina is both spineless and impotent on the international arena, and the UN stopped caring when it became apparent how pathetically deluded and powerless argentina is, so the islanders will happily make use of the natural wealth in and around the islanders, and take 100% of the rights over it, and all your country will do is cry like a baby, like always

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Oh yes, Braedon weeping over the genocide of the natives. Natives he may in fact regard as an inferior group of humans, as at the very least we can aver they are not of British ancestry. How touching.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Braedon

    and tobias, self righteously whining and trying to run away from your nations record of genocide. you know last time i checked the few surviving natives are still suffering from the whole “malnourishment, disease and nightmarish poverty” thing so maybe you drooling is better served asking your government to do something about it

    oh right, the whole “dictatorship” thing, i forgot about that

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mariana

    Argentina is a rich country full of pampa humeda and several resources included oil, we don't need anything about this island .I wonder why british don't help more so that they don't have to bother argentina ask for more flight per week.Go from Punta arenas to australia and then to falklands Las malvinas are argentinas british usurped this island in 1833 with the british empire.Nowdays this island are living only 2800 persons , that is not a country and with only 10 min is enought for sightseeing puerto argentino because there is nothing there.I wonder why british don't built trains or subways or something there. I wonder why the falklands mandatary are own for everything in the islands (hotel, oil, fish industry, ...) and everyone works for the state ...

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • XAVIERV

    They read the news of “The Guardian” today? I've been saying for some time in this forum, Argentina have all the time in the world to persist in its claim of sovereignty, however you have that same time to remain a base defended by a country that is thousands of miles away? I count the hours until they come clean and express UK makes no sense to bet 3000 military to defend democracy in their own country when there are 500,000 Muslim fanatics who breed like rabbits!

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mariana

    Argentina is not a british colony so argentina do whatever they want if they don't let kelper more flight argentina is right. I think that Cristina Should don't let kelper more flight .

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Braedon, stop parroting.

    So basically let me get your stance straight, nations are NEVER disembarrassed from their history, they are perpetually sullied by it. The “genocide” ocurred over a century ago, isn't that so? Yet that will always stain us.

    Argentina's history is 200 years.
    England's history is 2000 years.

    Think of the millions butchered in countless wars (the ones printed in the history books and the battles never told), in religious inquisitions, in witch trials, in internecine strife, in defying the monarchs or lords' authorities, and on and on and on.

    It seems only one word would suffice for your nation's record when we add all these crimes up across those 2000 years: execrable.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Braedon

    @tobias

    well since you have yet to answer why “brits being mean” is more important to whine about than the plight of the argentine aboriginals it seems amusing that you are so desperate to change the subject

    and again, you lack the spine to address the actual point, which is that for argentina to whine about Britain owning the Falklands is utterly hypocritical and fraudulent given argentina's historical conquests which it still holds which it undertook at the same time.

    the fact you implicitly support this, and that you whine about British history means i have every right to bring up your own sordid past. if you and argentina grew up and stopped whining this would not be necessary.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • XAVIERV

    @2 Teaboy2

    The measures taken by the Argentine government are right, we are not obliged to negotiate with the UK and its colony in the islands. And USA are not obligated to negotiate with CUBA and why there was no declaration of war. UK go to war not only because Argentina denied passage of ships and aircraft to the islands denying the use its airspace and maritime war would be the dumbest excuse of history and UK would be the laughingstock of the world. Also another thing, USA will never allow another power for more alidade it gets in your yard. So forget this hypothesis absurd war.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Then Braedon, your rights were taken away last week when Cameron used the term “colonialism”.

    If Argentina whines about the Falklands and your premise is it can't because of its past, then last week was the last for you to whine back at us. Thank your PM for that. ,)

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • XAVIERV

    A question that bread prices sunrise today on the islands?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dreyfoss

    I would have thought that Argentina's refusal to re-arm after 1982 would be a reasonably accurate indication of its desire to live as a peaceful nation.
    Interesting that you persist in condemning Argentina for its war in the pampas when almost simultaeneously Britain was exterminating the Tasmanian Indians, the Australian Aboriginal, over a million Hindu Indians plus another half million after India's first war for independence not to mention an estimated 4 million native Norte American and Canadian Indians then there are your wars in China - which overthrew a legitimate ruler and forced the entire population into drug addiction (yes Britain was once the world's largest trafficker in Opium and its derivative - Heroin) then there are Malaya and Burma and much of the rest of south east asia which the british occupied and exploited for their natural resources, then there are your adventures in Egypt, Sudan, Tanzania, South Africa and of course - Zululand - where you almost succeeded in wiping out an entire culture.
    Then there are your two invasions of Afghanistan, your occupation of most of the Middle East which you carved-up with the French to steal the oil (old habits die hard eh) and then of course there is Iraq - which you invaded twice - the first time trying to get rid of the locals by bombing them with poison gas.
    But for your enlightenment concering the War of the Pampas - about 23,000 indigenous natives were murdered and an estimated 40,000 actually fled into neighbouring areas - which later became Chile, Paraguay etc.
    No real comparison to the estimated 800,000 native australians that 'disappeared' between the period 1810 - 1900 is there?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • XAVIERV

    Islanders, become a province of Argentina, will have 3 representatives and 3 senators, with voice and vote in the national congress. They may also have its own flag law as do the 23 provinces. In Argentina, the provinces are the owners of the fisheries, mining and oil and so on. With joint ventures sustainably exploit renewable and nonrenewable, where you have the highest percentage of royalties. The country has countless communities in many countries, if they will not be able to remain British Argentines living as residents with full political and civil rights. We can accept only visit the islands as tourists and 100 or more years may fix any Argentine continental islands residence without your consent.
    Or go on living like this, increasingly isolated and locked. UK can not protect them forever, sooner or later they drop the hand. Instead we will be here very close to a long, long time ..

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    43 tobias

    2000 years ago Britain was ruled by Rome. Are you seriously trying to blame the current British government for the crimes of the Roman Empire?
    Am I also right in thinking that you base part of your claim for the Falklands on your 'inheritance' from Spain, oh but you don't inherit any responsibility for Spain's colonial past?

    This whole argument is utterly pathetic. What are you doing? Counting up the bodies and whoever has the fewest wins?
    Just listen to yourselves.

    What counts is now. Cameron called you colonialists now, and that's what you are. Now and every time you ride roughshod over a population that wants nothing to do with you.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MurkyThink

    (40)

    You say :

    ..hotel..oil..fish indutries...........

    I say :

    Logistic sector.....!.......

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    48 Drey

    I don't condem Argentina for the war in the pampas at about the same time as the Tasmanians being wiped out. Both acts were horrendous but were carried out in different times and frankly were so long ago there is not much point dwelling on it now. However the disappeared victims were disposed of in the 70s. Still clearly in my memory and those of a lot of people on this thread.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    The Falkland islanders have made their choice. They wish to remain British and there is absolutely nothing Argentina can do about it.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    53 Elaine B

    Here here!

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    well isnt it interesting to see the desperation of the city lovers.This will be a serious blow which in a matter of months will have them sitting down and talking.Poor teaboy he imagines hes in the nineteenth century with the raj and all that.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    These goons really believe we have no options ready for when LAN stops. Of course we don't want it to stop but we have a plan for when it does. When the flight stops Argentina will have no link to their fantasy Malvinas. I do feel sorry for the families of the dead who have no choice but to travel thousands of kilometres to visit their lost ones though. All because Argentine governments over the years have used their bodies as political tools in their twisted endeavours.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kipling

    Excuse me, now In Malvinas, u have 2 kinds of people, the Kelpers and the new immigrants. When my welsh family was comming to Argentina, they prefered to live in country so different to UK and developed an incredible life outside of UK with english behaviour WITHOUT any problem and living (and learning) thru many cultures in Patagonia. Nowadays, the people of Malvinas has never had the recognisitation of any country, principally no for Argentina, otherwise, for Chile, Brazil and Uruguay. Because, this kind of situations is against South American Countries for Geopolitical Strategies in Antartida. People Go to UK or go to live in Buenos Aires with more british that there.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • XAVIERV

    @ 53 ElaineB

    You can do something about it when UK take the sensible decision to leave the protection of Las islands? They will mourn about it as well as girls?

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    57 Kipling

    Jesus Christ man! Slow down, concentrate on your English and try again. You're rambling and making less sense than normal. LOL!

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  • Redcoat

    I was trying to find out how Argentina thinks it can stop the Chilean airline LAN from operating flights between Punta Arenas and the Falklands, when I came across this site.
    As far as I can see the flights don’t have to pass though Argentinian air space so how can they be stopped? Unless they hope to intimate the airline, by not allowing them to over fly Argentina at all or by bullying Chile into stopping the flights. If Chile is frightened into stopping the fights they will be the ones to lose out when the islands become very rich.
    But on reading some of the posts on here, it seems the Argentinians are so childish they’re well into trying to insult the Islanders, but don’t appear to know how pathetic they look to the rest of the world.
    I can’t believe that Argentinians are still so brainwashed that they can be easily whipped up into frenzy by the likes of Kirchner over the Falklands, is it that their lives so meaningless that they have nothing better to do with their time than mope over sovereignty, when the islands belong irrefutably to the Islanders .
    The nonsense Argentina is coming out with, calling Britain ‘colonialists’, when they are only protecting the islanders from a country as belligerent and awkward as Argentina and how can it all be just to take British minds off the UK economy, when it’s Argentina that is trying to organise a blockage against the islands, or are the Argentinians working for the British?
    Also how a ‘search and rescue pilot’ can be described as a ‘conquistador’, I can’t imagine, but probably it’s because they can only recognise themselves and how conquistadors murdered and plundered their country from the indigenous people and still occupy their land.

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  • tobias

    Monty, fine the time is now.

    The tell your buddy Braedon to drop his fake indignation about long slain natives.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mariana

    >>When the flight stops Argentina will have no link to their fantasy Malvinas. I do feel sorry for the families of the dead who have no choice but to travel thousands of kilometres to visit their lost ones though.

    Do it now ! The war was 30 years ago. In the Argentina cementary the lost one are only 25 years then the body are cremated . So i think the argentinean cementary in the falkland should be destroyed .It is only for kelper tourism. If this soldiers would have been in argentinean cementary would have been creamted 5 years ago.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zulu99

    Pinera has to be careful also about supporting any Argentine claim on the Falklands. If the Chilean government expresses full support for their claim, this would backfire on them as the Bolivians would say...“now what about our coastline?”

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    62 Mariana

    Ah! I thought the graves WERE in Argentina according to you fantasists.

    As for Kelper tourism, you have no idea about our islands. You got so many things wrong in previous posts that I didn't know where to start. Since I only look at these threads for entertainment I couldn't be bothered responding to you.

    Like you suggest though, why not destroy the graves in line with Argentine policy if that's what it is. Not my business and I hate to tell you this but I don't see the tour buses pulling up there.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    ke you suggest though, why not destroy the graves in line with Argentine policy if that's what it is. Not my business and I hate to tell you this but I don't see the tour buses pulling up there.
    Hey Malvinas are Argentine: You want to be left alone? See Argentina is helping you.
    No flight,no docking...Your dreams are coming true...

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    48 dreyfoss

    All nasty stuff granted,but I cant help wondering how much niceryou Argies would of been given the chance of having a empire,seeing the track record of how you dealt with your own people

    Patagonia rebelde (or Patagonia trágica) was a violent suppression of a rural worker's strike in the Argentine province of Santa Cruz in Argentine Patagonia between 1921 and 1922. The uprising was put down by Colonel Héctor Benigno Varela's 10th Cavalry Regiment of the Argentine Army under the orders of Hipólito Yrigoyen.[1] Approximately 1,500 rural workers were shot and killed by the Argentine Army in the course of the operations, many of them executed by firing squads at Estancia San José.

    The parrilla was used in a number of countries in South America, including Argentina during the dirty war
    The victim was stripped totally naked, then lain on his or her back on a metal frame, often a bed-frame. Straps were used to restrain the victim in a position convenient for torture, with legs spread and arms either above the head or away from the sides of the body. The straps were tightened to prevent movement.

    Electricity was drawn from a standard wall socket and fed through a control box to the victim by two wires terminating in electrodes

    Masacre de Napalpí

    Masacre de Capilla del Rosario
    Masacre de Floresta
    Masacre de Palomitas
    Semana roja (Argentina

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    Malvi

    It wouldn't bother me in the least if the flight stopped tomorrow. The more real the threat of stopping the flight becomes the more we will put the alternative plans into action. Hopefully we'll be ready to implement them before CFK stops LAN and then we can stop it ourselves and take the pleasure away from her. The growing word in the West Store is that we'll be better without the direct link to Argentina.

    You do realise that another commercial flight (as well as the RAF flight) already operates don't you. The Mercosur report got that bit wrong.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    @ 21 (i.e. Frank). This quote is from the body of the text

    “David Cameron's government refused to discuss sovereignty of the Falklands/Malvinas”

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @48 dreyfoss
    “South Africa and of course - Zululand”
    Zululand is in South Africa.

    “where you almost succeeded in wiping out an entire culture”
    Not even close!

    Also the Zulu war was provoked by the Zulus not the British.

    Not to mention Zulus were ferocious predators, who wiped out every tribe/people/culture they encountered on their long journey south to what we now call Zululand.

    Where they settled down to raise cattle and massacre the neighbours (with the exception of the Boers). Neighbours who were dammed glad to see the British when they arrived, in response to Zulu raids into British Natal.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @45

    Right so according to you a british response to an illegal act of war by argentina (.e.g economic bloackade that denies the islanders access to goods they need in order to survive - also a war crime by the way) would make britian look stupid if they responded by declaring war after argentina will have themselves declared war with their illegal act of war against the islander who are UK subjects and live on a territory that is part of UK sovereign territory. YOu are deluded if you think you can commit an illegal act of war and believe that the UK would have no right of course of action in which to respond to your act of war against it, by declaring war on you in response.

    You clearly forget about the true reason why japan attacked pearl habour and went on to invade much of the pacific, it was all because prior to that the USA had been economically blockading Japan prior to pearl habour. There is no difference between what the USA did to japan to what argentina is doing the the falkland islands now. So yes the UK reserves to right under international law to declare war on argentina in response of any illegal or legal acts of war against UK subjects or UK sovereign territory, that is a well known fact.

    Or do you seriously believe argentina can do whatever it pleases against UK subjects and UK sovereign territory and the UK will not response? If you do then you clearly have learnt nothing from 1982 when you invaded on the mistaken believe that we would not respond, but we did respond and you lost the war. So i guarantee we bloody well will response again with the same force if your pathetic, illogical and backwards thinking country keeps pushing, because like anyone else the UK will only take so much pushing before it lashes out and puts argentina firmly in its place where it belongs.

    and O'gaga, i live in nineteeth century do, thats rich coming from an argentine irishes wannbe that is in support of argentine attempt to colonise the islands, hypocrite.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • you are not first

    Teaboy2,

    I am sorry you do not work, study, have good relation in this moment in your life. Hey, you are not the only one. If reading the newspaper helps you to channel your anger, happy people in Argentina can help you

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alfox

    The Convention on International Civil Aviation signed by all the countries of the world, Argentina among them, states in Article 5: (Non-scheduled flights over State's Territory): The aircraft of states, other than scheduled international air services, have the right to make flights across state's territories and to make stops without obtaining prior permission. However, the state may require the aircraft to make a landing.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Buenos Aires is attempting to block all flights from Chile to the Islands,
    if this is so, then the british goverment should do unto them, before they do unto us,
    camaron should shift it a bit sharpish, and ban all argentine flights to and from the UK .
    and im sure that SIR, richard branson can accomidate a service from the UK to the falklands

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    70 Teaboy I do realise you are upset but really as a suppose native English speaker you should make an effort at improving your vocabularly and spelling.

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alfox

    I continue nº 72
    At the same time (1944) it was signed the International Air Transport Agreement, wich stated in Article 1: Each contracting State grants to the other contracting States the following freedoms of the air in respect of scheduled international air services:
    1. The privilege to fly across its territory without landing;
    2. The privilege to land for non-traffic purposes;

    So LAN flights are made according to the International Law, that president Kirchner didn’t respect when banned the non schedules flights (charters) to the Falklands and CFK seems to ignore as well when she threats the Punta Arenas- Mount Plesant air link. (will continue)

    Feb 02nd, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @o'gara

    Well considering i have time and time and time and again made it clear i am dyslexic, i find your comments insulting and disciminating against disabled people.

    Oh and thats rich coming form someone who claims to be irish let can not even spell his name O'gara correctly!!!

    Oh and no am not upset at all, am merely pointing out what is a widely know fact of law, that an illegal economic blockade that prevents supplies from reaching civilians in need of such supplies to survive or results in increase in cost of such supplies is also a war crime as it basicaly nothing more than an attempt to force the islanders in to submission or stravation and death. And as a result the UK has a legal right to respond to such act of war with military measures, to protect its citizens from such illegal and crimial argentine act of war committed against them or that of the UK's sovereign territory. How you and Tobias fail to understand that is beyond me, but i bet all the millions i have in the bank that if the situation had been reversed you would be saying the exact same as me about argentinas right to respond to british economic blockade with military means. Your both bloody deluded hypocrites if you say otherwise.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • UKOwnsArgentina

    I have been doing some research and found that following the successful British invasions of the Río de la Plata Britain did not cede sovereignty and there is a continuous claim of UK sovereignty over Argentina.

    Many Argentines will be relieved to know that there are people in the UK working at this very moment to establish a government and civil service for this overseas department of Great Britain. Argentina will hence be knows as the Dominion of the River Plate (official language will be English) and the Dominion of Patagonia (official languages will be Welsh and English).

    There are people who are working hard to save the Argentines from their own thieving government and provide them with real democracy like that found in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    You do realise that another commercial flight (as well as the RAF flight) already operates don't you. The Mercosur report got that bit wrong.
    Sure..Therefore Malvinas does not need the LAN fligths.....
    There are people who are working hard to save the Argentines from their own thieving government and provide them with real democracy like that found in Canada, Australia and New Zealand
    AHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
    Like the Chagossian....AHAHAHHAHA

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljordao

    A blockade would be a very petty and counterproductive move, but it would not be an act of war. In fact, I cannot even imagine this verdict gaining much popularity in the United Kingdom. The Kelpers out there should be wary about issuing threats, as this behaviour would strengthen whatever level of antipathy towards them there is in Latin America. CFK is trying to get a rise out of them and make them do something stupid. If they keep their composure, the Argentinian fuss will recede, and the possibility for new partnerships will arise. If they do not obscure the moral superiority of their cause, her crackpottery will become evident even to Anglophobic observers.

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  • Helber Galarga

    What I don't understand is why the colonist of Malvinas want to use Argentine airspace while they at the same time despise and vituperate actively against Argentina. Besides, surely they can build their own airport given they are so proudly wealthy.

    I mean they should be both consistent and coherent with whichever outcome develops from their strongly held principles. Therefore, if Argentina is 'this' or 'that' well, then carry on without them and don't rely on them for anything.

    You can't have your cake and eat it. Put your money where your mouth is and act accordingly.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @79 What part of illegal economic blockade under international law do you not understand?

    The UN Charter provides for a blockade as a permissible collective measure to be carried out by member nations of the UN in order to restore and maintain peace; a blockade is carried out by a resolution of the Security Council on the basis of Articles 39 and 41 of the UN Charter.

    Also a blockades must be annouced in advance to them actually existing as well as being backed by a UN security council resolution, and so far Argentina does not have any UN security Resolution to impose economic sanctions or economic blockade on the falklands islands, therefore such economic blockade is under international law illegal and an act of war, i can not be said any clearer than that.

    What makes me laugh at argentines even more is they believe it is not an act of war, yet if we were to impose an economic block on them, they would be screaming its an act of war from the rood tops and writing it in paint on the windows of british companies. Yet they expect us to sit back and allow them to blockade us and think of it as not being an act of aggression or war just so because they think that our sitting back would make them look all innocent to the rest of the world. Deluded, thats whay they are full stop.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    So let me see...

    On the one hand, the UK can unilaterally begin exploration and potential exploitation of sea-bed resources around the Malvinas because they currently have possession of the islands. Meanwhile, Argentina has to accept that because it cannot do anything about it.

    On the other hand, Argentina is a sovereign nation with jurisdiction over its territory but Argentina is compelled (or should) allow aircraft to overfly its sovereign airspace to get to the Malvinas, a territory which Argentina claims as its own? WTF gives?

    Seriously *roll eyes*.
    Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it.

    Besides, if the colonist of Malvinas had any pride, they would utterly reject using Argentina (e.g. airspace) for anything.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    78 Malvi

    How do you suppose the hundreds of oil workers are transferring backwards and forwards to the islands? It's not on LAN or the RAF flights.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    @83

    surely one of the attributes of independence is fending for yourself. So why can't you just set up your own carriers and not request Argentina's cooperation with the air space?
    You don't need Argentina

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    84 Helber

    Now you're finally getting the idea. Like I said already. How do you suppose the hundreds of oil workers are transferring backwards and forwards to the Falklands from the UK? I didn't say how Will they. I said how ARE they. They've been using an alternative carrier to LAN and the RAF for more than a year now.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    @ 85 why are some whining?

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    l'm not, Helber.
    l'm in favour of banning ALL Argentines from the Falklands.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    I’ve read your comments with interest, but as LAN doesn’t have to fly in Argentinian air space to get to and from the Falklands, why is it thought it can be stopped?

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ 84 Helber Galarga

    they are illegal colony. This would cease to be the case under Argentine administration, all popukation would be forced to leave. or adopt Argentine way of life, no one would be allowed to take money out of Argentina, they would be forced to speak Spanish, drive on the right, fly our flag, obey our laws, have Argentine prisons, have Argentine police, have Argentine military governor. All these things will replace colonialism, with Argentine democracy.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    79 ljordao

    I appreciate your point.
    I don't think we are in a position to threaten anything though. We can't ban all Argentines from the Falklands, even though some people would like to.
    I think a dignified response and keeping the moral high ground and all previous offers of co-operation on the table is the way forward.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    So Filippo and Monty69 don’t know anything worth knowing.
    Anyone else with a brain know the answer to post #88

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    The air bloackade is a self defeating move by Argentina.

    All that it will do is make the Faklanders resent you even more than they so now, and less willing to want to have anything to do with you.

    It will also force them and the mainland to open up altenative trade and travel routes. This could be a good opportunity for investment for future infrastructure.

    The air blockade just comes accross as a rather pathetic temper tantrum by the Argentine govt.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    For the habitual warmongers:
    Ask british corporations, culture organizations- and the british community in BA itself, plenty of smart people before touching a grave there.
    If you are barbarians, at least ask permission to your masters before doing barbarics...seems that They have a lot to loose.

    What a second rate UK you have become.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    blockades just dont work,
    but if you feel the urge, then by all means,

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BenC30

    89 - Your comments are reminiscent of backward military juntas the world over. Who have you used as inspiration? Bignone, Galtieri or Franco? Perhaps you would could be the next great dictator of Argentina with pathetic views like that?

    92/94 - Agreed. Blockades do not work but could be good for future investments by new businesses.

    93 - Your English is too poor to be understood by English speaking users on this site.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    91 Redcoat
    Sorry, no need to be insulting. I thought you would have read the answer on another thread.

    They can put pressure on LAN by threatening not to allow them to use Argentine airports or overfly Argentina on the way to other places. The Falklands is a very small part of their operation and they would sacrifice this route for the rest.
    Argentina can also put political pressure on Chile in lots of other areas.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    95. Seems that your education is too poor to understand an strange writing in a foreign language.
    Not my case, thanks God.
    I could not understand my english friends and customers during the past 20 years speaking “gringouuu”.
    Fortunately, we and they are not so “provinciano” and self-centered as you.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BenC30

    Pheel - the UK is not a second rate country. The problem with Argentinians is that they don't argue over true facts. They argue over made up statements and lies.

    Do you have anything to support that the UK is a second rate country and if not, why do you feel it is? And if you believe the UK is second rate how does this compare with Argentina?

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    I would not compare the UK foreign policies with Argentina`s, as they have been absolutely different in the past and continue now.

    Saving you all the obvious descriptions that the world use for describing the UK and her imperialist track record, let´s put the Malvinas issue policy in this statement: if your ambitions over the South Atlantic are going to be managed by the feelings of a bunch of settlers, something has deeply declined at the FO.

    I have all the respect that the islanders and their past generations do deserve , but if the FO is genuinely interested in their welfare, perfectly could have developped a different kind of relationship with Argentina, warranting their statu-quo in the long term. (DiTella was an obvious opportunity)

    But if the goal is a greedy, imperialist and conquering one, ok...surely the UK is jeopardizing the islanders future.

    I ve been reading Cameron warmongering words for the last year. At first glance I asked myself “who the f is writing for him this garbagge and why”

    I could have a lot of political differences with Kirchners but this pretended hardliner don´t seem better.

    Unless the game is not about islanders but just wealth and greediness.

    In that case, the measures that Argentina has taken are absolutely justified, and that should include the LAN connection.

    Not to mention the sort of stupid threats from above in this post: most of them are just potencial boomerangs not only for the islanders but for UK ambitions as well.

    This lack of realism is what could keep the UK out of the first tier group of nations.
    Don`t worry, we could drink tea together and chat about glorious pasts.

    Feb 03rd, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BenC30

    Cameron's words have not been war mongering. What you have read in Argentina has probably been made up by the Argentine media or government. Cameron has said nothing worse than Kirchner. Kirchner is keen to mention the Falklands as inflation is nearly out of control and corruption and crime is rife.

    When the UK discuss the Falklands, it all comes down to what the islanders themselves want. They want to be part of the UK. If they want to be part of Argentina then that is fine. The UK would hand over sovereignty, but they don't. Argentina has a massive lack of understanding and it is making argentinians look foolish. As the islanders want to be a part of the UK there is nothing to discusss.

    Argentina can block who they like, but blocking the Falkland Islands, makes Argentina look as pathetic as Israel blocking the Gaza Strip.

    What lack of realism could keep the UK out of the first tier group of nations?
    The UK is very realistic when it says the Soverignty of the Falkland Islands is not up for discussion. The people of the Falkland Islands do not want to be part of Argentina,

    The UK is a permanent member of the UN security council, member of the Commonwealth of Nations, G7, G8 and G20. The UK is also a member of NATO, OECD, WTO, the Council of Europe, OCSE and a member of the European Union.
    Looks like we are pretty much on top of things.

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    Ben, I don´t want to convince you and I will not look for The Telegraph, Guardian and BBC notes that I have read with Cameron speeches, escalating conflict in order to legitimate reaction.
    I don´t know how you imagine that power is managed in your own country. I`m not projecting on the UK the relation of powers that we could have in Argentina, just about the differences between the reasons that are argued and the reasons that matter.
    If the measures were only against the islanders, I could agree about the pathetism.
    Nobody believes that.
    About being a second rate power is just an observation of Post WWII history and the lack of a real strategy unless you call one to “your special relationship”.
    Or believing that your armed forces allowing scattered bussineses is sustainable in time.
    A lot of rushing-out-of-Basora in your future, then.

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (99) Mr. Pheel
    Good comment…....... Allow me to add…..:

    I, too ….: Have all the respect that the Islanders and their past generations do deserve”

    But, when you talk to a few of them, you quickly realize that they are impossible to “talk” with…

    You know why….?

    Because they “Think” they are “Fully Hedged”.

    If it is oil, they “Think” they will all become millionaires.
    If it is no oil, they “Think” things will swiftly return to be as usual.
    If Britain gives up, they “Think” they will be generously indemnified and resettled.
    If it should come to war, they “Think” Britons & Argies will, again, die for/because of them.

    Problem is………… there is no such thing in life called “Fully Hedged”

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    You “Think” too much Herr Think.
    Probably not a man of action.
    But of words.
    l “Think” that its fun, living next door to a volatile neighbour.
    Haven't had so much fun in ages♥

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (103) Isolde, kleines Schnuckelchen …………..

    You are precisely one of those “Fully Hedged” Islanders I’m talking about…

    You aren’t even a Kelper…..

    Just a nomadic fortune hunter, self-implanted a few years ago.
    Fully hedged with your shares, bonds and gold barrs; so you “Think”.
    Inciting others to pay, fight and die in defence of your “Property” and “Ambitions”.
    One of the first ones that will evaporate from them Islands when the “economic going gets tough”.

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    LOL no Argentina is not plotting to blockade Fakland, we are in fact setting a no fly zone over our own sky, but if this action meets confrontational posture of UK the sooner we can meet them at the decolonization committee, confrontation is the only terms europids understand.

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    (96) – “Argentina can also put political pressure on Chile in lots of other areas” and you see nothing wrong with this bullying?

    It’s obvious you maintain the sort of attitude that caused the genocide of thousands of Indians who had previously lived for thousands of years in what is now Argentina.
    But why don’t you WAKE UP (or are you too frightened to) to realise how deeply brainwashed you are, from birth you are taught this false history which can be recited whenever your rulers want to get your minds off something else.
    Currently you should be more worried about before long you will be starving. Your resent catastrophic drought, which destroyed your genetically modified soya bean crop, that is virtually your only means of revenue these days and with your current inflation of 26% set to increase, your shambolic public transport that has just doubled its fares and the price of utilities (electricity water etc.) going to rise four-fold, your rubbish isn’t getting collected, you already have squalid ghettoes and insanitary shanty towns which are set to get very much worse, you’re got more important problems to worry about , so don’t let them fool you.
    Think about how they got you into this mess and not let them get you all worked up about what you’re told to, because no British government would last five minutes if it didn’t defend the Falklands and however much you try to blockage, nothing will change.

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    They think it is all our fault,
    But then being indoctrinated,
    We can expect no less,
    Anything pro British, and they object,
    Anything pro argentine, and this is ok,
    Tous democracy is freedom,
    To them it means they can have what ever they want, regardless of who owns it or lives their,
    The facts thus seems to be,
    They will never give up claiming the islands, even if it means the break up of Argentina, as long as they obtain the islands, then all other opinions desires and consequences can go to hell,
    Then so be it,?
    .

    Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ernie4001

    (96) Chile is not Uruguay. Lesson learned from 78` nasty argentinian bullying.

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  • Helber Galarga

    @108, and what about century old Chilean designs to occupy Argentine Patagonia?

    Besides, Chile has three neighbours (i.e. Bolivia, Peru and Argentina). How is it possible that you get along poorly with ALL THREE? Are they all three wrong and Chile right?
    Or maybe, just maybe, Chile is not an easy neighbour.
    The odds are against you mate! Three neighbours, and historically you've had poor diplomatic relations WITH ALL THREE as a result of Chile's expansionist policies that saw Peru and Bolivia actually lose territory to Chile, and Argentina almost lose some of Patagonia to Chile.
    In fact, to this date, Bolivia are so pissed off at Chile they will not sell natural gas to Chile.

    And you want to talk about bullying?
    FFS, get real deluded muppet *roll eyes*

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  • mariana

    To kelpers,
    You have to understand that you are british so UK have to help you .Before 1982 argentina help kelpers because UK don't care anything about you so LADE go to malvinas every day with fruit , meat etc.etc . After 1982 UK must help you because you are british.What Argentina do is only what they want to do .If kelper are britsh must pay in Euro or pound the comodities because you have nothing to do with the argy bargy.Cristina K has been voted by 54 % of argy and does what argy want her to do because argentina is a democraty country. Kelper ask for more flights to UK !.

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  • The Falklands are British

    I think Mariana is becoming our very own Tokyo Rose.

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  • lsolde

    @104 Think,
    l am not your little pet, pimelkopf ;-))))♥
    How little you know me or about me.
    But l will say no more except that l'm not self-implanted.
    l have connections here that you will never know about.
    Are you jealous of my gold “barrs” meinherr?
    l have silver bars also, but l've reserved them for my children.
    Everything that l have, l have worked for. l repaid my father in full for the money he spent for my university fees. l am eternally grateful to him for that. Nobody “gave” me anything.
    So, no. l won't be scuttling off when your lot come oozing up the beach.
    But l refuse to live under Argentine rule.
    Work it out for yourself.

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  • shb

    @isolde

    I don't think they will launch a direct assault. I can't rule out this fishermans invasion or a symbolic attempt to occupy the Erickson or an outlying island, or indeed some sort of naval incident.

    Don't worry - if the SSN arrives soon (HMS Trafalger or HMS Turbulent have been mentioned) its very unlikely that Argentine assault troops will be able to land, unless they're wearing life preservers and carrying white flags salvaged from the wreckage of their sunken transport........

    If they did get past the SSN - I think the order to the FIDF and garrison infantry company (to use your image, which I really liked) “' 'orrible things oozing up the beach - 5 rounds rapid” (cue sound of gunfire followed by silence).....

    On a more diplomatic note I just read an article in the Independent online - an interview with Nigel Haywood which stated what I said earlier - all the Argentine hostility and retoric is doing is driving the Falklanders away from from Argentina.

    Here's a message to the Argentinian posters and their apologists.

    The more pressure you put on us - the more determined we become to give you the 2 fingered salute (an old English gesture of defiance) and repeat ”No surrender.

    We don't have to give you anything. We don't have to talk to you, and we can work around your pathetic blockades by working with the Falklanders to discover new trade routes.

    Unless you want to try the military option, you may as well get used to the Union Flag staying over Stanley.

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  • Pugol-H

    @113 shb

    Take note O gara, “No Surrender”.

    Feb 05th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @110 mariana - “Cristina K has been voted by 54 % of argy and does what argy want her to do”
    So you asked her for a 26% inflation rate which is set to increase, have a shambolic public transport system that has doubled its fares, to have a four-fold rise in the price of utilities (electricity water etc.) have your rubbish uncollected, and make your squalid ghettoes and insanitary shanty towns made very much worse.
    I don't think so mariana. Stop worrying about the Falklands and think about WHY she wants to divert your attention.

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  • Think

    (112) Isolde

    I don´t “Think” Economic Stagnation will come to you “oozing up the beach”, mein süßes Schnuckelchen…………

    You know what they say about ”Money making the word go round”?
    They are right…………
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

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  • The Falklands are British

    115 Redcoat

    Don't forget also that the streets in Buenos Aires are falling into the subways and sewers continuously. The first time I saw it many years ago I couldn't believe it. My friend (Buenos Aires born and bred and still living there) pointed it out to me outside the restaurant we were eating lunch at. There was a section of road blocked off because there was a big hole in the road. Dump trucks were backing up to it one at a time and dumping tonnes of crushed stone into the hoel. My friend explained that this operation just happens over and over. They fill the holes up and they gradually subside again until the road has to be closed off for refilling. When you look around the city with this in mind you realise that there are holes all over the place, cordoned off waiting to be refilled. It amuses me every time I visit the city. The same problem is what made an entire building collapse into the subway last week.

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  • Ernie4001

    (109) Seems that pure nationalism doesn´t let you see what actually happened. Chile suffered argentine bullying in the 70`s with threat of a big invasion with troops in the border, etc. A “clean war ” as some argentine generals said that time ( have you been in clean one? maybe we would still be fighting). We must truly recognize that were dictators and killers that already are paying for their crimes, that´s why we don´t blame on single people as some might. Respect to Peru, is worth to say that is a corrupt country that teaches its´people that all the problems they have are consequence of the “pacific war” so, what kind of good relationship can you have with a country that is been told to hate you and have revenge as soon as they can learn anything. Country number one producer of cocaine, full of goverment`s corruption, where the word is not honoured and Bolivia is the same thing ( how many argentinians and chilean stolen cars there are there being legalized by the bolivian govt?).
    About Argentina is a cool country and we have the long border. The relationship actually is good, personally I work with some Argentinians here in Stgo. and there is a lot of guys (chileans and argentines) that have good times at both sides of the border and a lot of bussiness in both countries what is very good for everyone. But that doesn´t mean that we got do what CFK wants respect to the islands.

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  • Helber Galarga

    @119 So you the only want to refer to Argentine designs on Chile in the 70s when Argentina had a military regime. Fair enough point taken!

    Now, what about Chile's designs on Patagonia throughout the late 1800 and early 1900? Or are you going to deny that?

    With respect to Peru, they have grievances against Chile for the Pacific War. Chile's expansionism brought grievances there. Bolivia lost its access to the Pacific Ocean thanks to Chile's expansionism
    If it were not for a treaty signed in the 1990 between Chile and Argentina, perhaps relations between the two wouldn't be as good as they now are (as you correctly point out, now they are good).

    As you can see, Chile has not had easy relationships with any of its neighbours. Mabye because it's not an easy country. Otherwise, how do you explain poor relations with just about everybody it has as a neighbour.

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  • The Falklands are British

    119 Helber

    Be careful. Talking to yourself is a sign of madness.

    Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alfox

    Helber Galarga
    the problem is that Argentina has had a long tradition of non observance of the internacional law supported by an oficial doctrine based in a history distorted at her convenience. Argentine admirals Storni, Clement and others, invented by mid forties, an extravagant geopolitical thesis, later adopted by the Argentine government, stating that the Beagle channel, the islands Picton, Nueva and Lenox and the cape Hornos as well as the South Sandwich, South Orkney and South Georgia islands belonged to Argentine because the geography had given the dominance of them to the “great Argentine nation” called by her destiny, to rule the south Atlantic, the interoceanic passages and the southern countries of the continent. This nationalist doctrine has prevailed in dictatorship or democracy, mainly in the Peronism.

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  • briton

    And like all dictorial has been,
    she will end up, in the dustbin .

    Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    120 - Reading 122 it seems that madness could express in many ways, not only on typing mistakes, but through a compel for writing nursery rhyms

    Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    pheel ?? orange

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  • row82

    Argentines are not very bright, given the choice between fascism and democracy they have chosen fascism every time. Given the choice between American hegemony and being an independent nation, they have chosen America hegemony every time, characterised by its attendant secret police (NSA, CIA, Special Forces and other such gestapo trappings, including their own) and an attendant military or militant right government.

    Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.

    Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.

    It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.

    But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.

    In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.

    At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't.

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  • nitrojuan

    THANK YOU , All South America, Caribean Commonwealth Countries, Unites States, Russia, China, All AFrica, Some asian countries and now IRELAND which we share the same hero of Lft.Brown. to support Malvinas Argentinas. THe empire is falling down in a decadence kindom ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd3o21MW2vI

    a message from Ushuaia, Capital of TDF, Antarctica & South Atlantic Islands (includes Malvinas islands).

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  • Helber Galarga

    FFS! Even commonwealth members are supporting Argentina's request to sit down and negotiate with the UK.

    Talk about getting back stabbed *lol*

    Feb 06th, 2012 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    And yet, for all that, my dear Helber. We still say:-
    NO NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY.
    Rebellious little Munchkins, aren't we?
    Now then, Champion of Argentina, Sir Small Silver Knight,
    What are you going to do about it?...............waiting!!!!
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Nothing but bluster, l suspect. Sad.

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  • Helber Galarga

    Hey Isolde, I understand there are roughly 30 Argentines currently living on the islands. Is that right?

    Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Something like that l believe, Helber.

    Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    Hey, Mercopress...this article is old-fashioned.
    Haven´t you read what Argentina´s ambassador in Chile has told?
    No? Only warmongering is allowed?
    For islanders and old imperialists upsetted?
    Which is your biz?
    Oil shares speculation and a +3% defense budget?
    Do your job, please!

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  • mariana

    @115 >>Stop worrying about the Falklands and think about WHY she wants to divert your attention.
    Argentina has economic problem as UK/ Grecia /Italia etc and all UE has . But Argentina is not a colony of UK and Argentina don't have to subsidize to Kelpers .If kelper are british then they have to ask for help to UK and ask for more flights to UK , Why don't kelper have any pride ? They wnat to be british but they want to pay in pesos.

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  • briton

    Only warmongering is allowed
    well that lets the brits off the hook,
    and puts argentina straight in the frame then .

    Feb 06th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @132 mariana - “Argentina has economic problem as UK/ Grecia /Italia etc and all UE has . But Argentina is not a colony of UK and Argentina don't have to subsidize to Kelpers .If kelper are british then they have to ask for help to UK and ask for more flights to UK , Why don't kelper have any pride ? They wnat to be british but they want to pay in pesos.”

    Argentinians have TOO much pride and not enough common sense, that’s their problem.
    It’s laughable to compare Argentina’s economic problems with the UK’s, our inflation is around 5% and going down, yours is 26% and will be going up a lot.
    Yes the EU has economic problems (well those countries with too much pride do) but we do not use the euro, where their problem lies.
    Argentina has never been expected to subsidise the Falklands, we subsidise all our outlying areas and islands, that’s what’s expected of a central government, it’s nothing to do with pride, just looking after our own and our friends. Argentina is expected to be less belligerent and if they had any sense, make a lot of money by cooperating with the islands.

    If others on this site are right about commonwealth countries siding with Argentina, they really WILL lose out, as I’ve been to a lot of them and know how much they rely on the UK for support and UK tourism. If some of them ACTUALLY ARE traitors, no one here will want to visit them and allow us to support them?

    With a false history being taught from birth in Argentina you are a constant threat to the Falklands, to the point you will cut your nose off to spite your face.
    There are places much closer than at UK to get perishables from, but they probably won’t tell you about it.
    And we pay in whatever currency a seller wants, it’s not a problem, unlike Argentina we still have a very good credit rating.
    Look past you’re your pride, to see you will gain nothing, but cause others to gain at your expense.
    Argentina’s rulers know you have too much pride and it seems they can easily distract y

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  • briton

    134 Redcoat
    a very good point .

    Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @117 The Falklands are British
    Thanks for the extra info , it seems even worse than I've read.
    @135 briton
    Thanks.
    p.s. There seems to be a word limit on these posts, but I got most of it over

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  • briton

    yes ive sometimes missed the bottom bit,

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  • Helber Galarga

    @130 Isolde,

    How are they treated there? how to islanders feel about them being there? Specially now wiht a rise in tensions?

    Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @138 Helber,
    l was going to joke & say something silly like, “we're keeping them for human sacrifice on the full moon” then realised that a lot of deluded malvinistas could probably believe it! So, no.
    To tell the truth l don't know of many & have little to do with them.
    Some people wouldn't like it, of course. But they keep those thoughts to themselves. Can't really help you Helber.

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  • Helber Galarga

    That's alright Isolde. Appreciate your answer :)

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  • Redcoat

    @ 139 Isolde -“ then realised that a lot of deluded malvinistas could probably believe it!”
    Sorry to interupt, but have I got this right, you live on the Falklands and think a lot of them there are deluded
    Who exactly, the Falklanders themselves or the Argentinians on the Falklands?
    Not knowing the lead up, I offen have to bite my lip when the situation prevents me from having a joke.

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  • mariana

    134 Redcoat (#)
    >>Argentina has never been expected to subsidise the Falklands
    I wonder how the kelper lived before 1982 .I wonder what hospital they went before 1982 etc etc

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  • Redcoat

    @142 mariana - “I wonder how the kelper lived before 1982 .I wonder what hospital they went before 1982 etc etc”

    From memory, despite the islander’s fears, they were being quietly encouraged by the UK government to cooperate with Argentina, because they thought it would be in both their interests, e.g. the islanders (in the days of only having a regional runway) would have access to a local hospitals etc. and the UK would save money, SO IN EXCHANGE, they allowed Argentina to set up bases on the islands, so it was NOT subsidising them (but I suppose they don’t tell you that).
    A lot in the UK thought this arrangement would work because most not knowing better naively thought Argentines weren’t all that bad and could be trusted.
    But you laid claim to South Georgia (our first wake-up call) and then invaded the Falklands, which, for many people here put the Falklands on the map and also put our government on the spot, because if they hadn’t regained the islands and let the islanders down, they knew, they would have NEVER EVER been elected again.

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  • briton

    Hugo Chavez, the socialist president of Venezuela, has said “Venezuelan troops would fight alongside Argentina in any future conflict over the Falkland Islands.”
    The statement was made by Chavez during a meeting of the eight member states of the Bolivian Alliance (ALBA) when they met to “approve an agreement barring any boats flying Falkland Islands flags from docking in their ports.”
    http://www.hmforces.co.uk/armed_forces_news/articles/10273-venezuelan-president-we-will-fight-with-argentina-over-the-falklands

    when will it stop
    when will you learn
    you keep pushing .

    Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @141 Redcoat,
    A malvinista is a brainwashed, can't think for him/herself mainly Argentine who believes all the Argentine government lies & believes that they have a God given right to the Falkland lslands & all other British territory in Antarctica & the South Atlantic.
    They don't & l despise them.
    Also there are fellow travellers who support Argentina simply because they are anti-British.
    “my enemies' enemy is my friend”
    malvinistas, twist history, ignore facts that they don't like, are the biggest hypocrites that l have ever witnessed & have no compunction of telling the biggest lies, all with a straight face.
    They also continually whine like small children & are ALWAYS playing the wide-eyed innocent victim.
    Hope that answered your question.

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  • Arshavin

    When the writer of this article describes (in paragraph 7) how Argentina is in a “...campaign to win back the Falklands”, he or she implies wrongly that Argentina has at some point in the past been the lawful owner of this territory which they have not. The author and/ or editor of this article is either quite careless or has ulterior motivation in inferring this.

    Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @145 Isolde
    It certainly does and like the way you don't mince your words. The Argentines must be among the most brainwashed people in the world and I'm familiar with that annoying wide-eyed innocent look.
    Thanks
    P.s. The current tension is being picked up on our TV and reported with a bit of a smile (probably as a Type 45 will be your waters soon able to track and engage over 300 targets simultaneously)

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  • Pirat-Hunter

    the british illegal aliens want to use our skyes to illegally enter Malvinas Argentina, we will let them fly over our skyes when USA and UK lets Mexicans and Romanian Gypsys enter their territory legally otherways we are being bias against Argentines.

    Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Pirat-Hunter
    and now they own the sky,
    what next the universe.

    Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @148 Pirat-Hunter
    The Strait of Magellan cuts off the tip of Argentina off from it's mainland its appox 40 km wide and it's Chilian, plently wide enough to fly a A320 through without entering Argentinian airspace

    p.s. souldn't that be Pirate-Hunter?

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  • Pirat-Hunter

    #149 if british illegal aliens can theft land and threat people over 10.000 miles away, I am sure Argentines can have the freedom to shoot down any pesty bird from the Argy's skyes. personally I think the universe is something we should leave it for UK and USA, the only people on earth who struggles against being content or conform. if only some of the threats posted here are real, I can assure you that before 2020 mars will be the only place where a british decapitation is not shown on tv before a sporting event. choosing confrontation over dialog in a world limited by resources is never good for neither side, specially for the one with less natural resources witch is the motive behind all the articles in support of british illegal aliens occupying Islas Malvinas Argentina. back in the old days pirats used to display the traditional black and white bone and skull logo on their flags, nowdays they come in penguin suits and carry papers trying to sell us their flag, I will like to repply to UK in the same manner one of the native Canadian lacross player who was rejected from entering UK, “we have flags in Southamerica too, isn't ours good enought ?” about we give UK two Southamerican flags for London? as it stand UK will need many nukes to solve their problems Argentina only needs one, I don't expect neither to risk more death then the 3000 illegal aliens in question. in Canada we have reserves for natives and deportation orders for illegal aliens, this is true self determination.

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  • briton

    ? not uncommon?

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  • shb

    @pirat hunter

    What bilge.

    I'd like to see you personally try to decapitate someone. You'd probably make a complete pigs ear of it, then throw up everywhere. Of course you're assumning the victim does'nt fight back, ramming your blade through your own eye or throat. Bet that would hurt.

    What's with the obsession about nukes? Just imagine what our reaction would be if you hit the Falklands with one (which you don't possess anyway). Buenos Ares would swiftly become ground zero for our response.

    If you hate the falklander that much that you want to exterminate them, then don't be surprised if our response would be equally murderous.

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  • Redcoat

    @151 Pirat-Hunter
    Calm down, you’re in such as state I doubt whether you will know the ‘true anything’, you’re too brainwashed. THINK, WHY ARE YOU SO emotional about this subject? THINK about it and you will see it’s only because of the false history you have been taught from birth that makes you believe the Falklands are illegally occupied. The fact that you are so worked up and frenzied, proves you have been brainwashed and pre-programmed.
    And suggesting decapitation of anyone before anything, let alone a football match is insane, but such an attitude probably accounts for Argentina’s being so treacherous and that precautionary defence is called for, which could never be considered confrontational, unless you are so bias, you think others should not resist you attacking them.
    But if it is your rationale and you are in Canada, be careful that they don’t deport you.

    And dialog about what? The Falklands are not up for negotiation, anyway Argentina has much greater problems to worry about, i.e. their current inflation of 26% is set to increase, their shambolic public transport that has just doubled its fares and the price of utilities (electricity water etc.) is going to rise four-fold, their rubbish isn’t getting collected, their road are falling to pieces, they already have squalid ghettoes and insanitary shanty towns which are set to get very much worse and cap it all they have blown their chances in sharing in Falkland oil, so worry about those more important problems they have, DON’T let Kirchner distract you from her failures.

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  • Alfox

    Decapitation seems to be a good idea. After all the first islanders were french, the second, british. Third, Spaniards, fourth, uruguayan. Argies? did they stay there?

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  • lsolde

    @154Redcoat,
    And all those wonderful Argentine things, they want to introduce to the Falklands. lol

    Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @155 Alfox
    That's right they didn't actually stay there did they
    See brief Falkland history below:

    1592 British make first siting of the islands
    1690 British make first record of landing on islands
    1764 French have first settlement on East Falkland
    1765 British have first settlement on West Falkland
    1770 Spanish Expel British
    1771 Spanish agree that the expulsion was illegal and the British return
    1776 French forced to sell to Spanish for £25,000
    1776 British have to temporarily withdraw form islands but leave plaque of ownership there
    1776 Sealers swat in British settlement and remove British plaque
    1780 Spanish destroy and evict swatters
    1806 British take Montevideo disrupting supplies to Spanish on Falklands
    1811 Spanish withdraw leaving the islands
    1816 Rio de la Plata (Argentina) declares independence
    1820 Argentina also makes claim of sovereignty re-naming islands ‘Las Malvinas’
    1823 Argentina grants concession to Frenchman using Gauchos help to catch seals
    1824 The Frenchman was unsuccessful and they have to withdraw
    1828 Frenchman gets permission from both Argentina and Britain to return to the islands
    1829 Frenchman made governor (without British permission) and arrests 3 US ships
    1831 US destroys settlement and deports all there to Montevideo
    1832 Argentinian governor is sent but is murdered by his own men, leaving the islands in anarchy
    1832 British return to restore order and deport all those that wouldn’t accept British sovereignty.
    1833 Creoles and gauchos murder the Frenchman’s company agent and other settlers
    1834 British arrest culprits and send them for trail, restore order and re-establish settlements
    1839 British pay compensation to Frenchman for loss of his horses etc.
    1840 Islands made a British colony and start their development, remaining British since

    p.s. Not sure why decapitation is a good idea.

    Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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