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Turn on your ‘sepoy’ detector and weed out the ‘anti-Malvinas traitors’
Jorge Lanata is one of Argentina’s most famous and fierce journalists, feared by politicians and union leaders, famous for uncovering corruption and confronting the sacred cows of the country’s establishment. This week he made some controversial comments about the Malvinas Islands which rocked the whole country. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis chap is so so brave and on many things....so so right. Lanata for President.(they will probably kill the poor bastard)
Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The comments on this will be VERY Interesting from the argie Bloggers!!!!!
Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Good man - carry on! Brave of him to stand up and tell it how it is, surrounded by crackpots, but good on him anyway.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing like sticking your neck on the block. Good to hear an Argentine that's still in touch with reality.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0In case you are all wondering what the 'Sepoy' is reference to - a Sepoy was an Indian soldier in the pay of the british during their occupation of India.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The inference here being 'mercenary'
MercoStanley is desperate.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0He makes a good arguement here that CFK, who calls him, a traitor, is selling her country out at transnational corporations, in the name of creating jobs, is a traitor herself. Argentines should not only pay more attention to that, but also react more against that.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0both, Cameron and CFK, are using the Falklands/Malvinas to distract their citizens from the real issues at home.
The good old Jorge Lanata. I feel proud of being a traitor too.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 Wishes, that's all you'll ever have. Keep doing what monkeys do best, ya know what I mean ;)
What is needed is to send Argentine doctors to work in their hospitals, Islanders on scholarships to study in Rio Gallegos; temporary workers on both sides; building true links and not rhetoric promises in international bodies that are useless”.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I completely agree with this!. I would also add inter-marriage
This man was against Clarin some years ago. Now is working for Clarin, all said.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.perfil.com/contenidos/2012/02/08/noticia_0024.html
an english journalist pro argentinian search in perfil
www.lasprovincias.es/v/2012/02/02/politica/espana-pide-reino-unido-20120202.html
and spain claiming gibraltar sobereignity
Cross species breeding is never a good idea Helter, it's that sort of experimentation that leads to a .... Cristina !!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't think so Lord Ton, mixing of species produces a multicultural society. I am all for it.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Moreover, apparently some the isalnder ladies fancy Argies to as they have gone on to get married. can'b blame them actually. you really cannot say we are ugly physically speaking. :)
“I completely agree with this!. I would also add inter-marriage ”
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0With that, by time you would completely change the population, culture, way of thinking (mindset) and, in the long term, Argentina could annex the Islands, without firing a shot.
Sounds like you want to shag the life out of them, surely they have a say in that?
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helber Galarga sounds like he's stuck in the 1930s, he wants to promote inter-marriage as if the ladies have little choice.
So not only do Argentines think that the Islanders have no rights to self determine their own political futures, and sovereignty, if they ever gained control of the Islands they'd start arranging marriages.
I agree with his assessment of the situation of the Falklands, or he agrees with me. The people in the islands want to be British, they are British. Going back to history is a waste of time.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I disagree with his suggestion of integrating with the Falklands. We should stop harrassing the islanders, let their ships go by, stop threatening the air route, and freeze indefinitely the sovereignty issue. But no integration, they are part of Europe, not part of the American continent. No flights, no ships, no exchanges. They are not Americans (meaning from our continent), so we should just leave them be.
I don't fancy you Helter :-)
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/damp-squibs/
You got it all wrong wireless. No surprise there. It seems to be a constant in your posts.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ladies would definitely have a say, as they do now, and have at times chosen to marry argentines. Nothing wrong with that right? I mean, if they themselves choose to marry an Argentine, surely you wouldn't forbid it, now would you?
Lol, Kitchnite Youth!! You couldn't make it up. Stand up comedians have it easy in Argentina!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must say I partly agree in the Falklands issue and agree and disagree with some other stuff. Lanata is intelligent, but also is disloyal as hell. He's a mercenary, and he tends to be against the government. He never agreed with an Argentine goverment. He just likes to criticize them. I mean, they all have good and bad stuff. But since I first became aware of him, I haven't yet hear him congrat a goverment for something.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 07 Fido Dido
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that the Brits have been telling you that on here for sometime. Sadly your countrymen canna see past their over inflated national pride and its turned them into nationalist zealots.
All we ask from the Argentines is to be left in peace. We don't want to see pictures of our islands covered in the Argentine flag as a backdrop to your President making emotive speech's, rekindling the fires of the Falklands conflict long since put out by people far wiser than her and the greedy Argentine elitists around her.
I don't see the Argentines ever wooing the Falkland Islanders, all too worked up far too fast and then its all over with in a sigh and bang.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The future of the Falklands would be guaranteed with more people settling them and becoming Falkland Islanders, they don't want to be colonised by Argentines by whatever method.
The English thought they could tame the Irish by this method, successive waves of English colonists sent into Ireland only resulted in the English in Ireland becoming more Irish than the Irish and the Irish population multiplying with the English.
Isolation and economic blockades may better serve to make the Falklands more self sufficient and independent.
You can pick up the island issue, but what catch my atention is the chinese presence in SA.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Until we have truly rulers and no politicians, we are faded to have the needed reforms and the real problems out of focus.
Wake up Hermanos! Forget the islands, for now.
Greetings
“I think you will find that the Brits have been telling you that on here for sometime.”
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not true. All I could read here about the Falklands/Malvinas is:
Argentinians: Pirates go home! Malvinas Argentina!
Brits: Falklands is OURS!
Sadly your countrymen canna see past their over inflated national pride and its turned them into nationalist zealots.”
The Dutch, sadly most of my countrymen aren't nationalistic ( except on Queens day and or when the Dutch national football team wins) and thank god the majority (include me) aren't nationalist zealots.
Well that's nice to hear Fido but you seem like an Argentine flag waving hyper nationalist in your other posts I read.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jo
Sorry, who is lanata! It is a BOCON, this fat is like to the cameron's fat, , please, Mercopress, stop looking for some stupid as to have a note as lanata, it is unfortunate what they are doing some stupid out there looking!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lanata is merely being a contrarian, but he makes valid points yet contradicts himself.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0He says the Falklands are not remotely Argentine yet wants integration. Errr...so he wants to walk and drive a car at the same time?
Multiculturalism is a disaster wherever it occurs.
Personally I say just agree to disagree and not have any dealings with each other. Often the best solution to a dispute is to politely avoid ieach other and not talk at all.
Why do people insist on this gay, effeminate nonsense of “talking” and “being open”...what a load of politically correct twaddle.
Wireless,
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see that you chose your name due to your self diagnosed syndrome. You are a wire/ neuro-less man. You may have two hemisphere under your skull but they are lacking of corpus collusum and visual cortex at this point.
Self-determination has been store in your brain, but you are unable to transfer this information to the central processing and analytical area.
Let me give you some neuro-online- therapy to hint your WASHED central nervous system: Someone lives inside of an X territory and suddenly demands to have all the necessary rights while denying cohrelative responsibilities, and demands self-determination to become Independent of the only available source available( Argentina/ American continent>
England decides to support this decision by bringing massive amount of WMD into the life of an entire PEACEFUL continent.
Consider to have a land line my ill friend.
Are you Argies going to make Jorge Lanata do your Spanish language proficiency test? Clearly he is not Argentine. Either that or his Malvinista chip has become dislodged.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!
Has this bloke Lanata passed Thinks Spanish test yet
Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And as for the Falklands women shacking up with wife beating argies
BUENOS AIRES – A total of 126 women died as a result of domestic violence in Argentina during the first half of this year, 40 percent more victims than during the same period in 2009, according to statistics published Wednesday by the organization La Casa del Encuentro.
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=360379&CategoryId=14093
I have to say I am truly astonished by folk who have the nerve to suggest Cameron is trying to deflect attention from the economy (like poster 7 et al), do you Argentine posters realise this conflict barely makes it to the news and I've only ever seen it appear once on the news for 2 minutes? Even when it appeared on the news it was mainly due to the fact a prince was going to the region.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the crazy suggestion its too deflect attention from our economy is hilarious, we are not the ones with a junk credit rating and over 25% inflation!!!! Your economy is so much worse than anything we can muster that it really is hilarious to suggest that. Britain's economy is doing very well in relative terms hence we are one of the only countries with the remaining gold standard credit rating, even the USA can't match that but somehow we are finished? That is pure fantasy at its best!
Sometimes I do wonder of the sanity of the Argentine government and some posters who willing repeat such nonsense.
Lanatas comments in Perfil or TN merely show the poverty of the pro brit brigade on here who say Argentina has a lack of press freedom.The English media so abjectly loyal to its elite has no comoarable contrarian.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0#31 Bullshit
Feb 09th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0John Pilger, Tony Parsons I could go on.
Major difference, you don't have politicians labelling them traitors for disagreeing.
Pilger could hardly be called a traitor to England as hes Australian.Parsons the guy Who writes for the Mirror.boy you are desperate its like Cronica
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Helber,
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts too late for that dear Helber.
You can't invade, treat people like shit,
Threaten, shove guns in children's faces,
Call us squatters, pirates, thieves, liars, implanted
Tell lies around the world & at the UN,
Blockade, insult our flag,
Try to ruin the fishing industry,
Continuously test our airspace,
Sit brooding like a latent threat of invasion, promising that you “WILL RETURN”
Tear up agreements etc, THEN:-
Smile & turn on the charm*greasy smirk* & expect us to climb into bed with you.
ln your dreams, bucko!
NO BLOODY THANK YOU.
I don't expect everyone to jump on board Isolde ;)
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0But some have married Argenitnes. I am not making this up. It is a fact.
There are some Argentines living there and they have married islanders.
You know that I know that we are more attractive than your average Englishman. ;)
5 dreyfoss (#) I think the educated amongst us know what a sepoy is ...
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think what is implied here is the fact that the British didn't see the sepoy rebellion coming... in much the same way as the people in Casa Rosada are going to be taken by surprise......
The English media so abjectly loyal to its elite has no comoarable contrarian.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You dont half talk shit ga ga
Peter Preston, George Galloway, Richard Gott and the EX Brit Simon Winchester
Are you labelled a traitor if you disagree with CFK ...wow.. Is another 'La Noche de los Lápices on its way ??????????????
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Nightingale! In fact, it is due to commence tomorrow.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, don't hold your breath....
@30 Xect
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, as a means of distracting the British public it's laughably ineffective. Just look at the BBC website
News Frontpage:
Players suggesting who should be the next England football manager,
Deadly shelling in Syria
Child protection story
Other prince qualifies on helecopter
Schools assessment policy story
Political strife in Greece
NAO concerned about losing skills
Heart disease risk inherited
Elderly man dies after dog attack
Why Zebras evolved stripes
Kate getting a preview of an exhibition
It is there, if you drill down far enough, to the Latin American page (which doubles as everything in the Americas apart from the US and Canada page) sandwiched between “Brazil police strike talks fail” and “Jamaica melts down illegal guns”.
As it stands, the death of Luis Alberto Spinetta from lung cancer is further up the news than the Falkland Islands
El Flaco. What an artist!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0manipulate the information! http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1446371-refutacion-a-jorge-lanata-sobre-las-malvinas
Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0One minute these Argentine oafs are threatening violence, bullying neighbours, harassing shipping, destroying fisheries, demanding sovereignty ....and then the next minute....they want to marry the Islanders.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Destroyer, Nuclear Submarine and Prince William have obviously done the trick but you have to ask yourself ....are these people quite right in the head?
AHHH, good old Lanata, I still remember when you accused Clarin of beeing a monopoly and a few months later you signed a contract with radio Mitre, for that reson, nobody can take you seriusly...
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#42 Its a poor rebuttal.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lanata makes the simple point about making links. At no point do I see that he says drop the claim. The rebuttal sets up the strawmen that the claim has to be dropped, then goes on to claim that Britain makes links impossible.
I call bullshit on the latter point.
We had the sovereignty umbrella, we had agreements on air links, we had agreements on fisheries, we had agreement on oil. All torn up by Argentina. The links were there, Argentina cut them.
All the rhetoric and playing hard ball does is make any solution impossible. The claim to desire negotiations, whilst at the same time pre-determining the outcome is stupid, hypocritical, erratic and irrational.
And lets be honest, regional support is down to naked economic self-interest not any belief in Argentina's claims of historical right. Lanata observes quite rightly the recent increase in rhetoric is nothing more than a smokescreen for other problems.
You know what, we make this point regularly, if your claim is on such solid foundations, you'd be fools not to take it to the ICJ for a judicial opinion. But you won't for the simple reason you know you won't like the answer.
As usual I can confidently predict that the page will be swamped with hysterical rhetoric drowning out any intelligent thought. Just as you do when the flaws in Argentina's claims are pointed out. Its like a bunch of petulant children sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting “I can't hear you”.
Bunch of muppets.
@41 Hey whats Dany García got to do with all this ? Leave the dancers alone !
Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that per haps you felt great when you read the article of this guy, this is evident that you have no idea about who is jorge lanata.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He used to be an excelent giornalist 10 or 20 years ago, he has an admirable imagination, and made very good programs of investigations, i still see hes documental of 2007, malvinas so far so close, it's excelent, beside he was the director of one of the best newspapers that we have in argentina Pagina12.
However since a few years ago, he became into as mediocre as many of hes collegues, he just makes so partial analysis, and that's why i decided not to follow him anymore.
He has right to think whatever he wants, respecting this issue or any other, like everyone, but as a giornalist he can't tell only the half of the question, he only blames argentina, and ignores absolutly all the resolutions of the u. n, and the posture of most international comunity which call the two sides to resume the negotiations, which are sistematicly rejected by the u. k., the hate that he feels for the government doesn't let him to see the whole reality, and he knows perfectly that he's making a mediocre analysis because he's not an ignorant, in fact, one of hes collegues, mempo giardinelli, who is a great giornalist, answered him in la nacion, (the giornal where was published his opinion).
Jorge lanata is not anymore the kind of giornalist that i want to be some day, anyway i agree when he criticises the government respecting some corporations, he is right, but at the same time, it's also a very partial analysis, i will akways insist that beyond the rejection that someone feels for any government, the analysis can't never be so partial, i understand that the truth never is absolut, but we can avoid to omit very important issues always.
The two sides cannot resume negotiations because CFK wants to determine the outcome before the start ! That is not negotiation ! The islands do not belong to UK but to the Islanders and are protected from Argentina by the UK. Lanata is the only Argentinian with any idea what the problem is and how to solve it.Cfk and her “dictatorship” have their feet firmly planted in the air !
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge Lanata for President !
oh dear :-)
Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/argentinas-caribbean-support-qualified/
Lanata you are a genious !! Keep up the good work. Te admiro Gordo !!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brave guy!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stirred the usual Argie suspects up, well and truly. I think they need to go and lie down in a darkened room to recover whatever they have left of their dwindling sanity.
The argie bloggers are slowly learning and excepting the true truth,
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0soon they will understand, that Argentina has no rights or anything else on the Falklands, they are fast running out of false arguments, lies , and rhetoric , sooner or later they will understand they have been lied to,
Then they will peacefully except the situation and forget about the whole saga, and concentrate on their own country, get rid of CFK and find a decent person who puts the people first .
@49
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they lie about that ,what else are they telling fibs about?
@44
Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did the K's work under “La Dictadura”, supported Menen and now of course are against all that ? Why do I have to trust Cristina then?
VISCOUNT FALKLAND. BRITON.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't be more ignorant and superfitial, you have right to reject c. f. k's government, but you can't call it as dictatorship, this is evident that you have no idea about what you are saying, beside this is obvious that you are just parroting what your government wants you to believe, no one will force the islanders to accept only our sovereignty, cristina was perfectly clear when she said in diferent forums that we are not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, we are just asking them to resume the negotiations and find a peacefull solution, like the u. n and the international comunity signalize, none resolution asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, they all only call the two sides to resume the negotiations, ¿do you know what a negotiation is?, beyond what our constitution says respecting our claim, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, it's obvious, because that's not what all the resolutions ask, on the other hand, cristina also clarified a few days ago that the islanders wont have to renounce to their british nationality, anyway if you prefer to keep on believing what you like, that's yor problem, now i realise why you want lanata for president, your analysis is as mediocre as he's.
BRITON: You are the bests example of some one who just buys propaganda, you only blame our side, and never criticise your government, only you are right and we are always the bud guys, i can't believe how mediocre your thought is, anyway it's your choice, but it's lamentable, i never denied that our government surely made mistakes respecting some issues of this cause, what you can't ignore that you are not acting correctly neather.
@55
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, this is for you:
http://youtu.be/j5fZTul59N0
@55 There is a peaceful resolution to this . You can F**k off and we will meet you in the ICJ.My government is not trying to tell me anything and is not trying to possess something that was clarified with Spain in about 1770. CFK wants to take control of the Falklands just like Belgrano when he swept his arms southwards and said everything South of here and all the Islands are ours....but the Islands at that point belonged to someone else and he just thought he would claim them.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now here is something ,we,the Falkland Islanders would like you to understand..................
You do NOT have to negotiate away....something that rightfully belongs to you.
If the other party (Argentina) is aggrieved....then lets go to the ICJ.
@44
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/qO7F8UaumQE
58 Artillero 601
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO-BOuIbBV8
and?
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0poop everywhere poop poop poop covering the world.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“beside this is obvious that you are just parroting what your government wants you to believe”
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, show us any evidence that the UK government things CFK is a dictator.
@59
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did some training with the “Rangers” but I like these guys better:
http://youtu.be/eZU8VoEmEs4
7 Fido Dido
Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This idea that the Falklands conflict is all over our papers and is being used by the government as a smokescreen to cover up issue within the country just isn't true. I've had to say the same to my argentinean in-laws in Patagonia. They say it is currently everywhere in Argentina. In teh UK, it isn't even getting on the evening news and, with regards to newspapers, you might find a small column on it half way through. Yes we have problems here but we are facing up to them, news about the cuts is foremost, as is news about Syria and also the crisis in the eurozone. We are not trying to use this to cover anything up.
and when will this british jurnalist going back to UK ? we have a lot of europids who live very well from the theft of native land, it's time we start sending all the europids back home specially those who want to give away Argentina's land, if this moron had being a native people might listen but all europids in SouthAmerica are thieves with no credibility and this europid is not an exception. good luck finding natives who support UK.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a British Kirchnerist I must respect the guy's contrarianism =) And as O'Gara says his being heard certainly puts the lie to Cristina running some sort of authoritarian state! But his arguments do seem quite weak and scattergun; I'm sure the President of peace would love to integrate the Falklands as he suggests but right no has to deal with the reality of the oil heist so that means a more assertive posture is required. Also on Cristina meeting Obama, this was more a concession to reality on the part of the Americans, who had tried to smear her as mad and make her lose the election (as well as backed up every despot on the continent not too long ago) than any concession to US imperialism by Cristina. Of course she looked pretty round Obama; she always looks pretty =) But I don't think him or Sarkozy will “learn from” and repeat her success as he famously advised at the time, as their policies are fundamentally different, not for the people the way hers are
Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy Lanata (apparently) has said some useful things. But forget the integration and inter-marriage. How many times do argies have to be told that the Falklanders want to be themselves? And who would cross a lion with a dog? Cameron and Kirchner. Besides, Cameron's already married.
Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 It's in the article, dopy.
@7 CFK may be. But Brits can think about more than one thing at a time.
@9 Why would the Falklanders want to breed with mongrels?
@10 Spain have been claiming Gibraltar for longer than your cesspit has existed. See where it's got them!
@15 Breach of the UN Charter!
@19 Surely he lives in argieland. What would there be to congratulate for?
@27 Congratulations! You've picked up the lingo. Pity you didn't pick up a brain to go with it.
@35 There are always some people with no taste. Or who are desperate. How come these argies couldn't make it, or make out, in argieland?
@47 Seems to be more intelligent, and educated, than you!
@52 Who are you and where are you from? You are not a briton. One cannot “except the true truth”. That's (poor) spanish grammar. The word is “accept”. You sound like an anti-Kirchnerist argie pretending to be a Brit.
@55 Government by decree equals dictatorship.
@65 About the same time you go back to Spain. Or perhaps Cuba. Yet another country stolen by the Spanish. I'm curious about your chosen name Pirat-Hunter? You seem to be halfway between two possibilities depending on whether you add a letter or take one away. On the one hand, “pirate” or on the other hand “prat”. I reckon you meant the second one.
@66 Gotcha. You're an argie scrounging spy without enough sense to keep your mouth shut. We know where to find you now. And by “we” I don't mean the British government.
66
Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course she looked pretty round Obama; she always looks pretty
Yeah right. Don't get jealous B K you're obviously smitten as well as blind drunk but aren't you worried Obama might take advantage, stroke her ample thighs, gaze into those sunken brown panda eyes, touch her podgy, pock marked, plastic face, gently poke those trout pout lips and then slip around the rear to carefully unzip her scrawny old zipper neck?
Hope I haven't put anybody off their tea.
@12 Helber Galarga
Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to look up the English meaning of the word “Species”
Then re-read your posting and @11 Lord Ton.
At long last! Someone making sense! Calafate Barbie is just using this as a smokescreen. When was the last time we read about Shocklender, Famatina, YPF and the many other incriminating things that have happened since the first half of the “gruesome twosome” came into office in 2003? First it was the military officers, now this. They need a big scary enemy that will prevent people from seeing how astonishingly clueless and unfit to run a country they are. There are so many things that need to be done on the country and they waste time on this?
Feb 09th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is nothing Argentine about the Islands. [...] The only thing that is remotely Argentine is maybe the landscape that resembles barren Patagonia and the thousands of still active landmines that the Argentine forces left behind.“ I couldn't agree more. This is becoming an absurd media show, with no consideration for the Islanders and the principle of self-determination, not to mention the fact the Argentines as such, never lived in the islands before the British settled there, or the loss of the war (declared by a couple of military officers who were very likely related to the Mad Hatter and the March Hare). Let's assume for a minute that Argentina's claim is legitimate, what would the Government do with the islands? Impoverish them as they did the whole country? Ah! What a bright future it would be for the islanders who are used to living under the protection of the UK. I can't see why they wouldn't happily become Argentine! These Islanders are mad!
I think I'll make myself a t-shirt reading “Sepoy” in big bold letters...
@70
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“First it was the military officers ..... ”I love you !!!!!!! :-))))))
PS: Send me a size Large to Texas if you have a chance ....
70
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll buy one from you also but unfortunately mine would be an XL!
@35Helber,
Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't think that collectively, you're more attractive than the English.
Some are, some aren't
And it also depends on the attitude.
l'm very satisfied with what l have ;-))))))))))))))))♥
Good for you Isolde!!
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, you have said nothing about my statements that there are quite a few Argentines living there who so just happened to have married islanders.
An Argentinian is best described as some one who is the doorman in a block of flats who thinks he owns them !
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 V Falkland
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha! I like that one.
All these Argentine lotharios, reminds me of an old joke?
Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q. How do you make money in Argentina?
A. Buy and Argentine for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.
It loses a bit in the translation but you get the drift.
55 axel arg
Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You was once ok, but slowly going down the pipe,
And you get more indoctrinated every day, despite your claims,
[But you can't call it as dictatorship,]
Government by decree equals dictatorshipx
[][BRITON: You buys propaganda]] so its propaganda to say the islands are British, and not Argentina,, [[and what do you call an illegal invasion of the islands,, just popped it for teas??
, you only blame our side, and never criticise your government
That’s the biggest bullshit you have come out with, Briton always criticises Britain when warranted,
You speak with fork tongue/////
,,,,, only you are right and we are always the bad guys///
But we are CORRECT and you ARE the bad guys,
[, anyway it's your choice] no, it’s the truth ….
, , i never denied that our government surely made mistakes respecting some issues of this cause, what you can't ignore that you are not acting correctly neither
Your government made all the mistakes, and the biggest was resurrecting the dispute to suit your selves,, did you not ,
And the British are acting correctly, by not retaliating against you, and mostly ignoring your demands,, as every time the British say anything, Argentina twists it,
Axil, go away and get thing right before coming back.
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He's a broken axle
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its quite funny watch the angry Argie Mercopressatiers, their scared cow has been shown to be a false idol hahah :)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0More crap is obsessed with the word 'desperate' , hes being saying it for the last 2 years :)
74 Helber Galarga
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes there are some Argentines here who have married Islanders.
One of my best friends is one, and she has no time at all for the ambitions of the Argentine government towards her adopted home. She finds it embarrassing.
Do you have a point?
Yes, I do Monty69. the one I've been stressing all along in this thread.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Encouraging inter marriage is a good thing despite some nut cases here arguing against it.
Is my point clear enough or should I draw it?
VIZCOUNT FALKLAND. ARTILLERO. BRITON. J. A. ROBERT.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARTILLERO: You made a wrong interpretation, i see 6 7 8 everyday and i know how ricardo forster thinks, he was making an ample analysis about the causes of the coup d' etat of 1976, he didn't blame only the terrorits or only the interests of the powerfull corporations of the country, anyway, it was obvious that you were going to blame only the montoneros.
J. A. ROBERT: I realised that i didn't expresss my self correctly, i said that viscount buys propaganda, because he parrots exactly the same than the u. k. respecting this cause, and doesn't criticise the british government. On the other hand, i know that the u. k. never said that c. f. k is a dictator.
BRITON and VIZCOUNT:I say that some of you buys propaganda because you only criticise our side, and never do any critic about the behaviour of your government respecting this cause, in my case, i dont deny that surely our government made mistakes when it recalled the agreements that it signed in the past with the u. k. However your side rejects sistematicly the resolutions that call the two parts to resume the negotiations, you can't be so miopic and ignore that you are not acting correctly neather, and blame only argentina, this is the reason why i argue that your analysis are very partial and funtional to the british propaganda.
I know that you are going to argue about the charter of the u. n and the right to self determination, i already made in planty of oportunities ample analysis about the omitions that your politicans do when they invoke the charter of the u. n. On the other hand, i agree that the only one way to finish with this dispute is to take the question to the i. c. j, however, if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, it's due to both aren't sure that they can win the case, i already typed in planty of oportunities in others comments about the diferents proposals by both countries to take the question to the arbitration.
To my knowledge the only thing the UN can do, is refer Argentina to the ICJ,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And this is what everybody wants, is it not .
@83
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it was obvious that you were going to blame only the montoneros” Obviously ! :-)
El “monto” muerto es el “monto” bueno ... but enough with that. Let's go back to “el discurso del Pocho” en Plaza de Mayo about the “ jovenes imberves” , that's when Montoneros went into a secrecy during a democratic government , let's put an emphasis into “DEMOCRACY” and let me remind you that AN ELECTED PRESIDENT CALLED THE ARMED FORCES TO ” reprimir, destruir y terminar con los focos terroristas existentes en el Pais. Do you remember the bombs everywhere? I do. Do you remember the kidnappings? I do. Do you remember the killings of innocent policeman on the streets ( por el solo hecho de portar uniformes), I do. The rest is up for debate !! but for the record ...WE DID NOT START THE DIRTY WAR, the Montos, ERP and Co started the “quilombo” para subvertir los valores existentes de la Nacion con motivo de crear caos, inseguiridad, temor , inestabilidad , etc, etc
VIVA LA PATRIA .... o lo que queda de ella !!
ARTILLERO.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank god we are very diferent, i respect your point of view, but i dont agree in absolut with your so partial analysis, i read a lot about our history and i know very well what happened during the 1960's and the 1970's.
I really think it's necesary a very ample debate, i have always thought the violence of the guerrillas is the consecuence of a former violence, in a country where there is not any democracy, or with very wick governments, with proscriptions, in an nation where the dicatorships accorded with the powerfull corporations to desmantle social achievements for the workers, like the elimination of the autonomy of the university, which provoked a great inmigration of scientists. All this and more, is the perfect social context, which provokes the appearance of guerrillas, none militar dictatorship had any right to break any constitutional order, if we had disastrous governments, only the social protests, or the elections could take them out from the power, no more. Beside dont forget that the so called, revolución libertadora killed more than 300 inocent people in just one day. I am not pro montonero nor erp, nor any other guerrilla, but what i have always wanted to understand, is why did it happen in my country, and the causes are many, blaming only the montoneros is a very partial analysis, and i will always be against this kind of analysis. On the other hand, i have always thought also that people must do a critic for their behaviour during the diferent dictatorships, because if they lasted years, it was due the acquiescence of most population, i dont know if most people dind't make front the militars because they were affraid of the militar regimens, or per haps people had others reasons, the point is that there was a general acquiescence.
Conqueror believes he sounds smart. And being betrayed by the serious pro Falklands contributors here to continue his strategy, merely because his position is their position. He doesn't even know he is being stabbed by his own keep on sounding like he dropped out of school circa the 6th grade (the way he talks an answers is exactly so, when you are just hitting puberty and can't control your hormomal outburst combined with child immaturity).
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 tobias
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like Ogaga again tobias.
I cannot speak for any other Brit on here, but I like Conqueror's concise take on some of the rubbish and histionic posturing of the usual suspects when even the BA archives from the past tell the truth.
Do none of you ever read them?
I don't care about the Falklands, got it? My position is clear, drop the issue, stop harrassing the islanders, ban the Falkland Islanders from ever entering Argentina on sedition grounds, let them have relations and trade with our neighbors who are sovereign countries.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can criticize the PRN also ( Proceso de Recontruccion Nacional) , I'm up for it ! no soy TAN cuadrado, ok? :-)
I cannot speak for any other Brit on here, but I like Conqueror's
Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0some times when stupid children insult us, for the want of it,
the conquer comes in handy to deal with them,
@89 tobias,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0My thoughts exactly. We agree on something at least!
ARTILLERO.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a good posture if you are not so cuadrado, but when i read in your comment 85, i could see that you were making such a partial analysis, which doesn't worth for the ample debate that is necesary for this kind of complicated issues, anyway all the postures are unless arguable, it's up on each person's ideology, but i will always be against so partial analysis.
93 posts and still nothing from the well known Cranial Expert on Turnips - Sr Think.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps hearing the truth from an Argentine is so painful he cannot take it like Yuleno and others we could 'think' of. :o)
In both the Indian & Pakistani armies Sepoy is a rank.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is it in Argentina it means Mercenary, especially after the Indian Mutiny.
A view of British history as unrecognisable to the Indians and Pakistanis as it is to the British.
Who makes this stuff up down there!
95 I think Dreyfuss just made that up at #5. As they turned on their masters in a traitorish manner I guess it means traitor in RG... that is the usage in the original piece. Maybe the same as 'Quisling' in English english... el Thicko would know all about Quislings.......
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 093 posts and still nothing from the well known Cranial Expert on Turnips - Sr Think
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to be fair on think,
he is probably thinking abt it .
#96 No, he didn't made that up. That usage of the term “cipayo” (Spanish for “sepoy”) was coined by political writer Arturo Jauretche (a crackpot of the highest order BTW) around mid-XXth century:
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipayo
Nowadays, it's the standard insult that malvinistas inflict on those of us Argies who disagree with the official sovereignty claims.
89 tobias
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is what you think, then what are you doing here?
As a Falkland Islander, I can only urge you to go out and spread the word to all your friends without delay. If everyone thought like you do, there wouldn't be a problem (except for the bereaved families and veterans who might want to visit here).
.And then peace would decent back to the islands,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we can all get on with our lives again,
More and more argie bloggers are coming over to the truth,
The islands are British,
Argentina has no claim, just give up the ghost
93 axel arg
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is this fat man got to do with Malvinas? This is Argentine islands and Argentine oil, being drilled by colonial pirates, protect by pirate ships, sooner all destroyed better.
Clearly, Malvinas is Argentine, claim exist since before Argentina exist. This is well documented that we renounce claim in 1850 but claim was resurrected under Peron who traveled to Italy and adopted policies of Mussolini fascist party in order to make Argentina great nation that it became.
As part of expanded living space, we must continue this policy and we must take over Terra del Fuego and Beagle Channel and then Malvinas.
My grandfather while working for Intelligence visit Indonesia in 1976 to copy plans they used for invasion of Portuguese East Timor and removal of colonial population to be copied in invasion of Malvinas.
If we had copied these plans our invasion would be success and like East Timor is part of Indonesia, Malvinas would now be part of Argentina. World has very short memory.
In order to do good for our country we must do bad things. This is what my grandfather always says.
We know Malvinas never been under Argentine sovereignty but gifted to us by Papal Bull in 1496. No one can argue with Pope or God, that whole of South America given by him to Spain.
Go home colonial pirates w claim you land before our country exist, you can not argue with that. You live there almost 200 years illegally, you have no rights. We will own your homes, farms, businesses, oil and fish.
You will be made to speak Spanish, drive on right, obey our laws, live under our government and governor. In return we give you right to be reborn like our national hero James Peck.
James Peck is son of Malvinas War traitor Terry Peck, he was awarded MBE for helping British occupy our land. Unlike his father, James is brave, patriot, his father will be turning in his grave.
You can all be reborn like James Peck. Or you can die like Terry Peck!
prove your god exists,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0liers all liers
@102 The Argie-God himself is lying in state (http://en.mercopress.com/2011/10/27/cfk-opens-huge-mausoleum-on-first-anniversary-of-her-late-husband-death) eternally watching over his flock, as they expand into neighboring countries through a combination of excessive whining and force.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0total deluded .
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101 Filippo MORON 5
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a film everyone should watch. It should be compulsory education in Argentine schools to learn about their country recent history, instead of teaching lies about the Falkland Islands (the imaginary Malvinas - which Argentina has NEVER had sovereignty over).
That something like this was allowed to happen is a crime against humanity, 50,000-100,000 raped, tortured, mutilated, murdered and disappeared (Borges). Unborn babies ripped out of their mothers wombs, young children taken from their parents, who were murdered by the heroic Argentine military.
Anyone of you born in the 70's? I hope your lucky enough to know who your real parents are...
The Official Story / La historia official (1985)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LF5II0wIY
It's a film everyone should watch. Feel shame because the specter of fascism still grips Argentina and as Martino Moreno said “If publishing the truth is forbidden, then lies, ignorance and poverty will follow”.
Argentina's history is still being written by Moreno's assassins.
La Nación newspaper is quickly becoming the voice of reason:
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“¿Are the Malvinas really ours?” http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1448512-son-realmente-nuestras-las-malvinas
“Please, let's leave those islanders alone.” http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1448512-son-realmente-nuestras-las-malvinas
If you're British/Falklander and can read Spanish, I encourage you to read the two above stories, Jorge Lanata no longer stands alone against the dogma and fanaticism. Maybe there's still some hope left for our country.
Cheers.
l certainly hope so,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0l should like for us to be friends
lts all in Argentina's hands.
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