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Cameron rings Chilean president to discuss Falklands and self determination
Chilean president Sebastián Piñera received a surprise phone call at his summer residence on Tuesday afternoon from PM David Cameron who referred to the current Falklands dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules'Chilean public opinion' bollocks.... anyone who doesn't trust the RGs is the chilean's friend...
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The President should read his own countries news media blogspots as to who the Chileans support in this dispute.I would estimate it as about 3 to1 in favour of Britain and the Falklanders. The Chilean people recognise Argentina as the nutty neighbour from hell.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina is the nutty neighbour, eh?
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0and yet, it is Chile with only 3 neighbours (Boliva, Peru and Argentina) who has had historically poor relations with ALL THREE and CONTINUES to have poor relations with TWO of them
Only in the 1990's did Chiles relationship with Argentina improve. However, they still have poor relations with Bolivia and Peru. In the case of Bolivia, the Bolivian Gov't refuses to sell any natural gas to Chile given their poor relationship...
And Argentina is the nutty neighbour? Argentina has no feuds with any of its neighbours (except the UK over Malvinas)
Mate, do some reading before you post such rubbish *facepalm*
Argentina is the nutty neighbour - as most Falkland Islanders will tell you!
Feb 15th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah - Uruguay is a real fan of Argentina !
Feb 15th, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0PM Cameron continues to dial the wrong number. It is with the Casa Rosada in Buenos Aires that he should be connected. 50 Chileans out of 250 participated in the show last week. Splendid isolation is not a good thing, dear Islanders
Feb 15th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess David Cameron does continue to dial the wrong number Marcelo, he just needs to call the Pink House and tell them politely to “f**k off”.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Er... Lord Ton unlike Chile with BOTH Peru and Bolivia, Argentina has NO ( I REPEAT JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT) NO disputes over territory.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try again mate, you are off your head!
@8
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Southern Patagonian Ice Field?
Poster 6, What you and the Argentinian's who post on here fail to account for is the incredible resolve of the British people.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0These people will always stand on their beliefs and will never cower to the aggressor that is Argentina. All Argentina achieves in doing the things it has been doing is strengthen the British spirit and willingness to get involved in the matters of the Islanders.
And we all know the British have considerably more power in matters of economics, politics and military force. All through British history they have proven they are willing and very capable opponents to anyone who wishes to challenge them and they have been challenged by mighty nations and won.
It's such a huge and basic mistake of CFK to think she can achieve her goals by bullying 3,000 islanders.
If you prod the tiger don't be surprised when at some point it decides to maul you.
@9
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0a treaty was signed with them covering 20 some border disputes and is awaiting ratification by chile's legislative.
Whereas Chile (the good neighbour according to some ill-informed posters here) has a conflict with Bolivia over a large swath of territory and with Peru too!
Some here clutch at straws for a hobby.
“Some her clutch at straws for a hobby” - like Argentina trying to claim the Falkland Islands is actually theirs?
Feb 15th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I notice the Americans have said that there is no militarisation of the
Feb 15th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0islands. The British have been sending warships as well as merchant ships to the islands for the last 400 years ;so what has changed?
Oh .I know . The peronist paradise known as Argentina is unravelling at the seams.
The Plastic Lady had better get her helicopter ready.
Helber,
Feb 15th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Paraguayans have probably given up in despair of ever getting their land back from Argentina.
l seem to remember reading somewhere that Bolivia & Peru attacked Chile first.
lf that is true & as l know that Chile won then the other two countries have no-one to blame but themselves.
No doubt if l'm wrong, some malvinista will correct me!
And, Helber, Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands♥
Isolde, make no mistake about it, Chile is not an easy neighbour.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, how on earth can you have only 3 neighbours and yet manage to have poor relations with ALL THREE
Begs the question
If 1 persons say you are an @rse....he might be wrong
If 2 say it well... 50 - 50
If 3 say, they might be onto something.
FYI, Argentina is 1 of the few, very few countries in latin america which hasn't got a territorial dispute with a neighbour (I hardly consider the UK a neighbour). Even Uruguay and Brasil have an unresolved territorial border dispute.
3 Helber Galarga
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina has no feuds with any of its neighbours (except the UK over Malvinas)”
What about the bullying of Uruguay? The dredging of the plate area / Uruguay river - now Argentina has had bulkers trapped for a week due to a grounded bulker solely due to incompetence by their side of the joint board. I think they don't have the money to do it.
What about import controls when Argentina has a massive export business with us?
Get real and start seeing the truth of things instead of appearing like another dork of CFK.
@15 Good Lord, if you spent a little less time *facepalming* and did a few *headdesks* you might knock some sense into you. Chile is a good house in a bad neighbourhood. It is economically sound and does not live in a constant drama, like Argentina. They look on Argentina as an adult would observe a small child in the throws of a constant tantrum. They don't want to anger it more but prefer to try to ignore it. Mostly, they laugh at the way Argentina fails to achieve its potential because the country is run by a spoilt child with an uncontrollable temper.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chileans do not like Argentines. Most of Latin Americans do not like Argentines. Most intelligent Argentines are aware of this fact. And here is a hint, it has nothing to do with territorial disputes.
Cameron: “Hi, ks that the pink house? Can I please speak to Phil MacCawk?”
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC: “Let me check.... Has anyone seen Phil MacCawk?”
Cameron: *chuckle* ...
KFC: *slam*
Repeat until satisfied.
@ChrisR Sure there are disputes of that sort between Uruguay and Argenitna but THERE ARE NO TERRITORIAL DISPUTES WHICH WOULD LEAD TO HYPOTHESIS OF CONFLICT.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia and Chile have disputes at a whole different level with Bolivia not renouncing to the use of war to reclaim territory taken from them. It doesn't take much to see the different scales of both disputes and the potential consequences.
I'll tell you more, Argentina has such sound relations with its neighbours that it is the country that spends the least amount of its GDP on armament.
@ Elaine B
Chileans don't like Argentines, right? Well Bolivians, Peruvians AND Argentines don't like Chileans! Who's that for you?
Chile is economically sound you say. At what price??? They have one of the biggest gaps between the haves and have not. Oh but they are sound economically.
Pls., don't make me laugh. Your reasoning has more leaks than a sieve filled with water.
@18 - Priceless!
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey - uti possidetis de facto still works Helter !
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to me that support for this RG madness may be flagging quite seriously. Dominica and Antigua have already told the RGs to sod off on this issue, and now it looks as though we have Chile on our side as well. How long will it be before the whole of Latin America realises how ridiculous Argentina's claim is? These people on the Falkland Islands want nothing to do with you. Most are part of families that have lived there for nine generations. They are the longest continual settlers of the islands. Argentina has never owned the Falklands. Argentinian people may have lived there for a month or two every few years in the 1820s, but these settlements never lasted long and never had true government support from Buenos Aires. These people have been living there for two centuries. There were never any original inhabitants of the islands, but these people are as close to indigenous as we're ever going to get. It is time for Argentina to grow up. You can't tell someone to go home when they already are.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Do Chileans not like your land because you 'decolonised' *cough* stole *cough* lots of their land during the Beagle Conflict? Do Paraguayans not like you because you tried to carve up their country into two and 'decolonise' your half? Interestingly the Brazilians had to stop you because they had a good relationship with the British and didn't think we'd like you just taking half of a country that didn't belong to you.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see, it doesn't take a retard to open a textbook and see what warmongering little shysters you really are. You may now get back to your goose-stepping.
What is all this rant about Chileans and Argentines and if they like each other or not?!...The only thing that matters here is that Chile's Gov't supports the Argentine claim over Malvinas, just like all the other South American nations.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HelberG. you might have good intentions, but don't waste your time explaining to the ElaineBs or the world (and the like) about the relationships between South American nations...it's none of their business...The only thing that they should be concerned about is realizing and coming to their senses that the Malvinas (which they insist in calling Falklands) are Argentine and sooner or later they will have to give it back. English PIRATES, GO HOME!!!
@24 We can resolve that one quickly. They're not Argentine. We declared them British in the 18th century, with the Spanish Crown. You squatted on them for a while in the 19th century, before we kicked you off, and after you declared it yours, when there was a big placard there saying “This is British”. Then, like the Nazis you are, invaded against UN resolutions in the 1980s after stealing parts of Chile. Then being the squatters that you are, were quite rightly kicked off. So, in summary at no point in history were they ever Argentinian.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piracy, my friend is violent criminal activity at sea, not on island, and especially not on islands that you have no remit to be on.
President Pinera, no doubt, is an excellent manager. Now he says that Chilean “public opinion” has “always” supported Argentina's “Malvinas” claim! He is now, obviously, in the business of managing news! No kidding.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
@26
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pinera: “Chilean public opinion has always supported Argentina's expansionist policies, especially during the Beagle Conflict”
Chilean Public: *shocked silence*
I'm sure the British Ruby can up sticks from Buenos Aires, and nip down to Chile with it's LNG if Chile needs gas...
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most likely, both Uruguay and Chile are paving the ground ready for imports of Falkland Islands Oil and Gas, and as Argentina is in terminal decline, and has no effective military, Uruguay and Chile won't be worried about any verbals from Argie land.
Any of you Argentinians who think that there is some kind of “solidarity” that the other South American countries feel toward Argentina and their claim on the Falklands are wacked in the head. Go ask a Chileno walking down the street on Alameda or Providencia, ask him or her if they support Argentina's claim on the Falklands. They will respond, “Que, los Argentinos Cul...? De que tai hablando? Que me importa?” Anything Pinera does or says is calculated and is for a reason, and that reason doesn't have to be because it's the truth. I hate to break it to you, but Chilenos simply don't care. Their biggest concern with other countries right now is their complaining about the illegal Peruvians working in agriculture.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron in a desperate act is trying to convince the countries on the invalidity of self-determination in a land invaded ... He doesnt convince anyone .... ridiculous
I am waiting for Artillero to chime in on this and start calling everybody “fuckface”, or telling everybody to “fuck off”...etc. That's always good for a laugh. Where are you buddy?
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19, 24 & 30 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO need for any increase in British forces. No need for any “assistance” from Chile. Just one Trident D5 missile with every warhead targetted on Casa Rosada. Perhaps a second missile with every warhead targetted on Mar del Plata.
Goodbye, argieland. Including the half-breeds! JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Cameron should be really desperate to make a call to Piñera may be troubles at home including down grade of its AAA rating status plus isolation from EU members plus a messy economy and higher unemployment rate is the reason to divert attention of the media?
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wonder...
@Conqueror and then Conquy who will save you from ashes?
33. Don't claim that bulls**t.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way Argentina will get their hands on the Falklands is will a fight.
The Falkland Islanders will not allow it, and nor will Britain.
You will be obliterated!
It is obvious that David Cameron, the conflict has gotten out of hand. Call the president of Chile, Sebastian Pinera Chile to engage in its policy of militarization of South America and is surprised to learn that Chile supports Argentina. This desperate position that England has no global consensus to bet on terrorism and violence and the militarization of the islands. Now it's on the agenda of world opinion and is evidenced by his desperate reaction.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has managed to grow global awareness of the conflict. Latin America supports the claims, both MERCOSUR and UNASUR, CELAC and United Nations have achieved a unity of conception and action with the United Kingdom.
It's a way to cope together with economic and military aggression in the UK in 500 years of history.
Many countries are sympathetic to the claim of sovereignty and even the UK itself the controversial attitude of David Cameroon causes internal and external cracks in its alliance with the United States.
The main error is to underestimate Britain's growing leadership in Argentina and South America and keeps getting more evidence of the double discourse of Britain “say champions of democracy and human rights but in fact ignore the resolutions of United Nations and its decolonization committee and continue the humanitarian bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq ”As what I say but not what I do.
Argentina's main weapon is the abandonment of the arms race and proceed with its proposal for dialogue, consensus building and peace. This mystifies David Cameroon that more and more often have to explain to the world of armaments policy wrong, he turns on him.
@35 Do you mean phone the President of Chile, who Argentina invaded in 1979 and annexed part of their land, and discuss how the Argentinians were creating an economic blockade of some islands that they illegally invaded and tried to annex in 1980. Maybe they discussed the rise of Neo-Naziism in your country and your constitutionally enshrined wish to illegally annex some land that you've historically never owned. Maybe they just discussed trade, because let's be sure of one thing, no one wants to trade with you butt-hurt argies.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sometimes think that you would have a better conversation with a block of concrete than with some of these Malvinistas who can only quote from the 1st Argie book of Brainwashed Morons.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is obvious that none of the Argie posters has the vaguest idea of any British history whatsoever . I can think of at least 3 precedents where a small group of islands,very much the underdog, held out and ultimately triumphed over a much bigger and more powerful foe.
The first was at the time of the Armada ( with surprise surprise) some of the ancestors of those living in Argentina. Spain was expected to win ;England won instead (Britain had not been invented yet).
The second was the Age of Napoleon where Britain despite having a massive numerical disadvantage to the all powerful French Empire held out and won after a proper war lasting 12 years.
The most recent was 1940-1945 when this time the bad guy was a German called A Hitler. Here again he was all powerful for a few years but then him and his cronies made the mistake of attacking Russia and the USA.
Read your real history, Argies, not some Malvinas Fairy Stories.
Holding out against overwhelming odds and triumphing in the end is
part of our history and what we do best.Prepare for lesson number four.
@37 The Argies, with their Nationalsozialismus government don't seem to be cognitively aware enough to understand that the British don't really like Nazis trying to invade them.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely a glimpse at a history book would tell them that.
@BenC30
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not claiming anything its just the way its. Cameron gov. is sinking internally and internationally. His own arrogance has put Britain in that position. The economic mess is worsening, the ability to repaid debt jeopardized, EU partners isolated him. US/UK relationship coolest than ever. Do you want more?
@STRATEGICUS
And are you planing to teach history to an Argie soldier when he starts to shoot you with his full automatic 7.62 FAL?
I guess that Argentina doesn’t care much about your history really, it is like prehistory down here. They don’t even care about what happen 10 years ago to be honest.
So may be you will have to teach them another lesson as you say, but I would be very careful if I would be you. They can turn from friendly to a very mad, salvage and violent prospects especially on fights.
And being honest after seeing the state of your military power on these days I really doubt that UK can even give a good fight. To start with you don’t have any carries left. No Harries, shortage of personnel so with what are you planning to fight another war with Argentina? With stones?
Think in negotiation will be cheaper and less traumatic for UK and especially for the Islanders.
Dany Berger that's all good and proper for you to make threats and again with the complaining and insults, but you don't exactly help your case democratically speaking... We made it clear that any unfriendly person steps on the island will be dealt with robustly, We don't have any issue with Argentina people or the land you live on, just the small majority who have a hatred towards the British, and If you want to make threats come over and visit the island with that unfriendly attitude and lets see how quickly you crap your pants and take a swim in the south Atlantic ocean ! I recommend swimming to Mar del Plata its its a lovely place to visit ...
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 “US/UK relationship coolest than ever.”
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's mainly because Obama's grandfather was a Mau Mau rebel who got tortured by the British in Kenya. Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel had a father who was a senior member of a well known Israeli terrorist outfit called the Stern Gang/Irgun, who basically hated anything British, killed lots of people in Deir Yassin and then killed the UN Ambassador to the region. (wikipedia deleted his father's page)
Their combined hatred for the UK was enough to drive the “very un-special relationship” into sub-zero temperatures that they are today. No one cares though, because the peoples of the USA used to pay and train the IRA, which wasn't very brotherly of them.
@39 Cameron is not sinking internally or internationally despite what the Argentinian press is saying. The day after he submitted a veto to the European Union, he was higher in the polls than any other opposition leader. His “arrogance” as you call it, has stopped the UK taxpayers handing over our hard-earned cash to backward-European states that fail to run their own economies properly. Yes, the UK has it's own deficit problems but they are nowhere near as bad as Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland. The US/UK relationship isn't so important! The US is never what it used to be, but then even they have a larger gap between the people at the top and the people at the bottom. They have far greater problems than the UK too.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do go on..... I would like to hear what you are thinking.... Perhaps I can help answer some of your unusual questions or statements....
with all due respect, if Britain has no doubts about the sovereignty of the islands .. before 1982 that were about to reach an agreement with Argentina? even the same Mrs. Thatcher was involved in secret talks to deliver the islands. draws attention and it is no coincidence that the islanders did not have full British citizenship until after 1983, ....... if the British thought, that citizenship was not granted before? there is another issue that I find strange .... if the problem of bilateral talks and comes with Argentina's 1994 constitution, that the main agreements were made after that year. as an example the oil agreement of 1995 and the agreement of flights in 1999, and other important bilateral agreements after 1994.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Their citizenship before or after the Falklands War is irrelevant. The agreements of 1995 and 1999 were simply to encourage trade within the region. Argentina walked out of these talks in 2003, presumably because there was no one wanted to discuss sovereignty.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What precisely has happened between 2003 when Argentina walked out of talks and now that has caused Argentina to need talks?
@ Dany Berger
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The time when there were British politicians ready to do secret deals behind the backs of the islanders is long gone. Mrs Thatcher was the last one who tried that and look where it got us.
After 1982 everything changed totally. Oh yes there are still various British (and American actor) oddballs who say 'give back the Falklands, despite Argentina controlling them for 2-3 months in 1832-1833 and about the same time in 1982.They are in a tiny minority.
These MPs who are coming to the Falklands are the 'skinheads' of the Conservative party who have been giving Cameron hell for being too nice to the Argies and for cutting defence too far too fast.Many of them are also the same people who have stiffened his back regarding the Eurozone disaster. The idea that any British Prime Minister or politician would advocate negotiating with Argentina is further than the far side of the moon .Cameron ,who is thought of as weak in the UK , has been warned that if anything bad happens to the Falklands ' his head is on the block'.
As for the armed forces Britain spends $60 billion per annum; Argentina spends $3 billion.The quality and standard of the equipment and more importantly the personnel is even markedly different. From memory apart from Santa Ana in Mexico I cant think of any major conflict were Hispanics won against gringos.
When (not if) the oil bonanza happens the islanders freedom of action will grow further. $180 billion ($60 million per capita) is a useful amount.
CFK could have had 50% of that if she had not torn up the the exploration agreements. Another smart move by your Plastic Lady.
The Argie politicos can't run Argentina properly. Why should the islanders want anything to do with that country. The Anglosphere alternatives are much more attractive. The Falklands do not need Argentina and will need it even less in the future.
39 DanyBerger
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it you are referring to the FN 7.62 x 51 NATO FAL rifle, firing the standard 150 gn FMJ hard-ball round?
You have obviously never fired one on automatic because:
You can't hit anything you aim at with them;
You run out of ammunition pretty quickly;
And with someone like me around you would be dead.
It is however a good rifle in semi-automatic mode and used by someone properly trained.
My PH M85 using a Sierra Match-King 185 gn 'hollow-point boat tail' bulleted cartridge (hand-loaded) would kill your Argie soldier out to 1,000 meters. At 300m I could decide which EYE through which to kill him.
Or where to hit him and keep him alive, thus taking up at least one other to look after him.
Am I frightened of your Argie soldier: NO, but he would be scared shitless of me. :o)
Why is Cameron so desperate?
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the economy, Europe , Scotland, Obama, his brother Clegg, Sean Penn or no support over Malvinas dispute?
I am sure he called the Chilean president for asylum.
@39 What are we going to fight a war with? With cruise and Trident D5 nuclear missiles. What else? It's called “emptying the cesspit”.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 £180 billion should be buying a decent flexible road network including motorways, a national standard deep water port, some low-tax business parks, an affordable educational establishment, a national standard medical facility and put down a footprint for a low-tax financial services district focusing on south american commodities. It could also set up a fledgling 'falklands airways' with 3 flights a week to South Africa.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe even a nightclub!!
47 Marcos: Think your confusing who is desperate , that would be CFK !
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is running out of ideas to come up with and not forgetting near the end of this year she has a meeting of her own with the Chilean President, well I guess he did stand by Argentina with the so called claim so he must be entitled to one BJ and she certainaly knows how to use her mouth.
50 Insults are from desperate people like yourself.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 051 - You surely have no sense of logic whatsoever.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina are the ones causing the problems not the UK government. I don't see Cameron complaining to anyone who will listen or complaining to the UN.
It is quite clear to anyone with a semblance of intelligence its CFK who is desperate and wouldn't anyone else be who was in her position with a crumbling government and imploding economy. 25+% inflation anyone? Argentina is the new Zimbabwe!
Reading under the picture above “Surprise, surprise, guess who is on the phone?”
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Cameron he looks so lonely and desperate, I bet the Chilean president took him a while to figure out who in the hell was this guy on the telephone.
Camaron who? didn't ask for seafood sorry...
Nice way to destroy your own credibility Marcos with the silly posts.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: no. 26
Feb 15th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And furthermore, Mr. Pinera is pulling Mr. Cameron's leg!
Philippe
@47 Shock news! British PM worried about noisy yank actor who hates Britain and supports Irish Nationalists (war on terror anyone?) No, we don't care - you see we British are well used to being hated by the rest of the world and as an Island nation we understand and thrive on isolation.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well put it this way,
Feb 15th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have the carrot, and you have the stick,
You choose,
But one things for certain, A democracy will never hand itself over to a dictatorship,
And neither will the UN,
Argentina has no chance, so swing baby, swing .
.
Quote: “The only question is: Who did have the best claim when we finally annexed the islands ... I think undoubtedly the United Provinces of Buenos Aires [now Argentina]. We cannot easily make out a good claim and we have wisely done everything to avoid discussing the subject.”
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ronald Camp, Foreign Office official, July 1911
@58 If Ronald Camp was correct 100 years ago, then you should take it to the ICJ and submit your claim there.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's that easy.
@58Marcelo Kohen,
Feb 16th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever asked yourself why your government is terrified to take its ridiculous “claim” to the ICJ?
@Mrlayback @BenC30
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You lads really make me laugh with all due respect because I’m so scary now after Mrlayback threat toward me. Ha ha
@ChrisR
oh! Please why you don’t save your energy and tactics for the real thing Uh!
So I guess that this conversation about your dick is little than mine is pointless.
So keep training your shooting skills eat well and don’t waste your AMO UK is a little bit short of cash at the moment and you never know when you can need it more.
Of course Chilean president Sebastián Piñera said that Chilean public opinion has always supported Argentina’s claim over the 'Malvinas'.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0To support a CLAIM is totally not the same as supporting a RIGHT, and Chile is aware of his need to present a South American-acceptible sound-bite.
Further, Chile has its own CLAIM to a sector of Antarctica that is legally documented as a British Antactic province. Piñera needs to preserve, for public Chilean consumption, the facade of 'Chilean Antarctica', even though the land belongs to another nation.
Whilst the Antarctic paradox may be managed as an exercise in real politik, the populated FIs is an absolute non-negotiable.
ICJ: I am astonished when I read British participants here mentioning the ICJ. First: when Argentina suggested arbitration during the 19th century, the UK refused. In 1955 the UK brought the case of Antarctica to the ICJ, but explicitly excluding the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) themselves. In 2004 the British government modified its acceptance to the ICJ jurisdiction excluding disputes that arose before 1977!
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well then, Marcelo.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0All you've got left is war!
l'm also surprised as your country keeps saying that it's “peaceful” ha ha.
So if you can't or won't go to the ICJ,
And you're too “peaceful” for war,
Just how do you intend to conquer OUR lslands?
l'd be interested to know.
No other malvinista can/will give an intelligent answer.
Will you, Marcel?
61 DanyBerger
Feb 16th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual, as an Argie, you have a few things wrong:
I live in Uruguay;
I am most certianly not 'short of cash';
I am not the one boasting about Argie squaddies firing an FN-FAL on automatic as if that was the be all and end all of combat - it shows your lack of knowledge and experience;
You could not even answer the question about the rifle;
My dick is probably bigger than some midget of an Argie, so I don't need to boast.
You are correct on one thing however: practice does make perfect; has the Army got any money for ammunition and who would supply a rogue state like Argentina with it?
P.S. It's no good asking Chavez - he uses Russian crap, so in '30' cal it's 7.62 x 54 R or 7.62 x 39 (assault rifle) neither of which will fit the FN-FAL.
Keep dreaming and making up more lies.
@63
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am astonished when I read British participants here mentioning the ICJ. First: when Argentina suggested arbitration during the 19th century, the UK refused.” >> Correct, because there was nothing to arbitrate as it's not your land.
”In 1955 the UK brought the case of Antarctica to the ICJ, but explicitly excluding the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) themselves.“ >> Correct, because the Falkland Islands are not Antarctica, they are a British protectorate.
”In 2004 the British government modified its acceptance to the ICJ jurisdiction excluding disputes that arose before 1977” >> It matters not, because before 1977 and after 1977 you still never owned the Falklands Islands.
Does that make it any clearer for you? Basically, you should be happy because if you were able to go to the ICJ then you'd end up looking like a bunch of expansionist savages. Glad we could help.
Elaine and Isolde, ignore Helber Galarga trying to make huge excercises to discredit Chile.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His childish equation (“3 neighbours must be right”) does still not have any weight in arguments, when you got to know, what really bugs these nations in regards to Chile.
With Argentina we indeed have no major issues, of course we do not trust them. And we have good reasons for that, like for example the recent unfair business policies they applied on our imports this month, few days after Piñera supported their claim: it's like a slap in the face for someone just granted you a gift for peace sake. But that just says alot about general egocentric argentine idiosyncrasy.
The other 2 he mentions, Bolivia and Peru... WE don't have any issues with them, but it seems they think they have with us. That's a BIG detail and difference. Chileans would love to live in peace with it's neighbours, but... for a certain reason (which alot of people would describe “envy for the good house”, even others will deny it), they don't want us to. Chile HAS NO CLAIMS towards it's neighbours at all.
Bolivia is claiming a vast territory of north Chile to be traspassed to Bolivia for... nothing in exchange. They just want to have it! Even there is a bilateral border treaty from 1904, whereas both (chilean and bolivian) democratic parliaments ratified the actual and final borders. This has been done a quarter century (!) after the war had ended.
Peru is claiming sea borders to be revised (currently they are parallel, they want the border to head southwest), after they had signed multiple treaties with Chile, that they also see the parallel as THE border. They even had an official ceremony in the 60ies, building a lighthouse heading along the parallel. An earthquake destroyed that lighthouse and they never rebuild it, you can still go there and see it totally destroyed on the ground. Since then they are trying to ommit any prove, that they have valid treaties with the parallel as border.
@67 Have Bolivia been to the UN Colonisation Committee about colonising the land they 'simply just want'? Apparently that is the place for cuntries (sic) to go to when they're just a bit greedy and feel like having something that's not theirs. All you need to do is do an epic-fail of a slide-deck with a few boats on it, and maybe a radar. It's all paid for by the United Nations, under the great leadership of Ban 'Takeshima' Ki-moon.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi GreekYoghurt, Bolivia hasn't started any legal steps on any court or institution yet, but only “threaten” with it. They are quite aware, that their claim is very laughable, especially considering that the border treaty they signed are running under perfect conditions and definitions.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But of course they can take this step, it's their decision. But I doubt that the consecuences might be favourable to them, as Chile currently grants Bolivia privileged conditions for their exports via Chilean territory and ports (they pay no taxes, no import tolls, they have reserved stockrooms for free at the chilean ports, they pay no port fees, etc...)
With their hostile attitude, they are endangering all these benefits...
TWIMC
Feb 16th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cameron rings Chilean president to discuss Falklands and self determination”
Pinochet wasn´t home..............
If the President of Chile were to examine his state archive, he would find that Chile maintained a consulate in Port Stanley from the 1870s to the 1950s.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ChrisR ambo
Feb 17th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chill out mate I don’t care a F@king shit about your weapon expertise after all you cannot fire an Argi FAL on automatic without killing your mum. Ha ha poor idiot.
Dany,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The man was just giving you some true weapon facts.
He doesn't come across as a rambo.
l can tell you for sure that the amunition for a 7.62 x 39 Assault rifle will not fit an FN, because l've fired both of them.
Maybe you'd kill your Mum.
The rest of us are more careful
Live & learn, Dany.
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Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@MandRod
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde is fishing. ha ha
@Isolde little boy...
First if you read carefully what I posted you will realise that I said “with his full aoutomatic” what its different to say on full automatic. Because Arg. FAL are a full auto weapon. Anyway...
Argie FAL and Amerikan FAL version have been improved since long time ago new grip, magazine, recoil system, sight, etc. Argie factory made several version of that weapon. If you are familiar with that weapon I can assure you that in full automatic you can hit your target.
Of course if you are a skinny person may be ended up with your bottom on the ground. What sure was your case-
There is magazine for 30 and 50 round. I little bit hot the cannon but still lethal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJHACsP-CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJHACsP-CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJHACsP-CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJHACsP-CA
DSA also has some FAL improved versions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJHACsP-CA
I didn’t check the videos jut info for your knowledge.
Good day mate.
75 DanyBerger
Feb 17th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly you have NO experience of firing ANY long gun chambered for 7.62 NATO, either single shot or automatic. If you had you would understand the claim of 'improvement' is relative.
Armies do not want accuracy, they want the opponent wounded not killed: it takes out at least TWO people for one shot. Just to explain so you can get it into the thing you call a brain: one shot, one caring, HALVES the opponents numbers. But perhaps Argie squaddies just want to run away when someone near them is shot. That is what happened on the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) in 1982 and I do not see anything improving yet.
BTW Isolde is a lady. You would do well to read and understand her posts. You may be able to learn something because you clearly know very little about firearms.
The Falklands will always be British, just like British Ulster! No surrender to the savage cave dwelling dago or mick scum!!!
Feb 17th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi, Argentina. I mean I do this to balance the scales and see a different view.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0First of all do not support or my country or in England. I think both countries are handled by a natural instinct of patriotism, which in a case like this is not good.
I will ask them to be more intelligent than their representatives and seek to see the Argentine point of view as English, that's what I did and I arrepinto. I'm on the side of the rules and if the rules say that the decision of the citizens is more important than any geographical correspondence I agree.
I'm on the side of truth, period. If we want to see how the Argentines simply reverse the situation.
No need to see the Argentine and British opinion, need to see the opinion of the natives who are the true and only sovereign and no authority can tell who they belong. In any case I would be happy to be really independent.
That's my opinion, are sympathetic and intelligent.
Thank you.
@British Barry
Feb 19th, 2012 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be aware of the fact that only diamonds are forever
Empires come and go and our world is rapidly changing
This topic is for the islanders. Others only selfishly defend the interests of our nations.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@80 Very well said!!
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@67ManRod,
Feb 19th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0l believe that Bolivia wants a sea coast & this is understandable.
lf Peru was their ally & is their great friend then why doesn't Peru give them some of their own land so that they can have some?
Peru has got plenty of coastline, they could spare a bit to their friend to keep the peace.♥
@80 I'd personally agree with that point. The UN Charter enshrines what you suggested too.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@82 I think Peru should give Bolivia a considerable amount of it's sea coast. It's clear from the map that the sea coast is on the same tectonic plate as Bolivia. The Peruvian sea-coast is close to Boliva too, which in South American logic is important. I can also see that Bolivia wants it, which in South America is more than enough reason to have it. Now they just need to put it into their constitution that a large percentage of the Peruvian sea-coast is Bolvian territory and then go to the UN and ask for negotiations on that territory. Ban Ki-moon will agree with anything so long as it involves him getting more koreans into top jobs at the UN. Then and only then will Bolivia stop the Peruvian pirates from stealing what's historically theirs.
Latin american logic is simply “élucubrations de sauvages”
Isolde, we all want to have things we don't have yet, don't we?
Feb 20th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peru's population reacts very acidly on that claim you mention (Bolivian sovereign path through Peru), because this is sometimes in discussion too, but Peruvians feel betrayed by Bolivia back then, because Bolivia provoqued the war with Chile, just to be able to activate the secret military pact with Peru (and “forced” them to enter the war, according to peruvian historians... though we have a bit different view on that and we are convinced there were other interests and reasons)
Bolivia as originating country of the war, retreated from the war very soon and Peru was left alone against Chile.
Therefore Peruvians are much more hardcore on not-granting Bolivia a sovereign path to the sea. Surprisingly you will see more chileans (mostly Santiago) in a position to give them something...
@84 they've just joined on the Argentinian, squeaky wheel gets the oil whinging bandwagon. Let them sit on there for a while with the Argies, until they both realise there are no horses.
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