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Cristina Fernandez to visit Piñera in Chile March 15 and 16
Argentine President Cristina Fernández will make an official visit to Chile next month, amidst a power struggle as both Argentina and the UK struggle to gather support from the international community in the Falklands/Malvinas Islands controversy. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLet the arm twisting commence !
Feb 16th, 2012 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Who is twisting whose arm. Our Pound is worth more than the Argie Peso.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina: “Can you support us decolonise las malvinas from the evil pirate invaders?”
Feb 16th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile: “Can we have all the land back that you militarily decolonised from us in 1978?”
Argentina: “er.. no”
*a thick fug of hypocrisy enters from stage left*
I really think to call it a power struggle is over stating it. The is huge news in Argentina, amusing news as far as I can see in the UK and no news in the US.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK: Don't you understand that all of South America has to stand together to evict the British pirates?
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pinera: Sorry, we've never had a problem with Britain until you came along. In fact, Britain's defence of the Falkland Islands in 1982 stopped you from attacking us!
CFK: But this is a vital part of South American solidarity.
Pinera: To you. Not to us. Actually, all the available evidence suggests you don't really have a valid claim.
CFK: Our people were expelled from the Islands by the British pirates.
Pinera: But the two of your people that went there, Jewett and Vernet, turned into pirates. And Britain had been there since 1690. Even the Spanish couldn't beat the British.
CFK: This is a matter of international importance.
Pinera: I don't see it. Britain has never interfered with Chile. Their position seems to be that if YOU leave the Falkland Islands alone, stop making claims you can't substantiate and stop interfering with trade between the Islands and South American countries, they won't have a problem.
CFK: But, but, but................
Pinera: Tell you what. If you're ready to take me up your butt and then get me ready again so you can do a deep throat blowjob....and swallow.....I won't say anything against you until March. Actually, you should probably come by for an “inter-governmental conference” about once a month. See me as another Nestor. If you like, I'll slap you about a bit as well!
Conqueror, the above is a little harsh......but I like it. I'm just going to throw something out there and if I am wrong please throw it right back.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would Chile actually be a little bit more suseptable towards Argentina to help relations due to the mutual dependency of / on each other on trade and so on and the amount made for each country by each country to help stabilaise and create more growth in the region?
Chile trades with 46 countries. It has diversified exports - though is still too reliant on copper - to make a more stable economy. (I don't blame them one bit for cashing in on the copper and they are sensible enough not to rely on the surplus but save the money).
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I think it is the interest of Chile not to anger their bad-tempered, excitable neighbours; No one wants trouble next door. That said, I doubt they would ruin their own economy to keep President Plastic Fantastic happy. They will make soothing noises to her and carry on as usual. JMO
TBF the chileans want nothing to do with this. It seems as though the chileans like the Brits before the Argentines as some of the comments on this link demonstrate:
Feb 16th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.santiagotimes.cl/world/latin-america/23368-chile-continues-to-back-argentina-in-falklands-dispute-for-now
one of the chileans refers to Argentina as a “third world rat hole”.
CFK is a loose cannon, and more countries that support her, the more the fuse will shorten,
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And like all cannons, its only a matter of time before the inevitable happens,
BANG springs to mind .
# 8 The Cestrian
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About the comments in the article you say
...one of the chileans refers to Argentina as a “third world rat hole”.
I was checking and you right there is a comment done by a person named John Thow, very chilean name.
:)
@6 Always worth bearing in mind that Britain is a global trading nation. Whilst argieland is a global sh*theap. If you read the article that mentions the British Ruby, you will see that argieland has to accept vessels that it forces other south american countries to refuse just in order to survive. Notice that argieland has to pay up-front and in cash. As soon as other South American countries stop paying attention to argie threats and concentrate on realities, argieland is finished.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Perhaps you could concentrate on south american names such as “johnfarrel2050”, DanyBerger, Billy_Hayes, Forgetit86 & 87, O gara, Think and others I'm sure you can find if you take the trouble. Actually, perhaps you could explain the south american derivation of s0_far?
#11
Feb 16th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so far so good....but no cigar.
good reflection, i didn´t expect that from you Mr Rambo
:)
Elaine and Bombardier,
Feb 16th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CHI exported 80.586 Million USD in 2011
ARG exported 84.269 Million USD in 2011
Now the point is:
Chile out of it's total exports, sent 1184 Million USD to Argentina.
That's not even 1,5% of the Chilean exports.
Argentina of it's total exports, sent 4,755 Million USD to Chile.
That represents 5,6% of their total exports.
If Argentina wants to start a trade war with their announced import restrictions (which is nothing than bullying measures if you inform yourself there), it's not difficult to see who is gonna suffer more,
Copper might be a very sensitive good due to its importance on the total exports, so is soja beans/products for Argentina.
Chilean economy is weak. It's biggest percentage of exports is commodities (the rest is agriculture, wine and it's people who send money back home). It's manufacturing base is close to nothing. That weak it is. To type here that “copper might be a very sensitive good” shows how you try to spin your own facts, to boost your ego here which is LOW (low self esteem). Facts are, copper, your biggest export IS a sensitive good due it's importance on the total exports.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All what the Argentine government needs to do to make lives difficult of the falklanders, chileans who lives and work in the falklands/malvinas and argentine veterans who wants to visit the islands is to cut the flights LAN flights.
@14 ... and then the fledgling Falklands Airways will become financially viable with flights to South Africa and Uruguay. A new deep water port will increase trade. Local market-garden farming will become more financially viable. Then your war dead will be peacefully repatriated, preventing the families of the veterans from ever having to visit again.
Feb 16th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't seem too bad a future really.
Fido, in no point I have denied copper is a sensitive good for Chile. Indeed we suffer from an economic problem called “dutch disease”, but it seems you are such a mentally limited and embittered racist individual, that you don't understand sentences in it's context, which relates that generally all our countries in south america are dependent on commodities and agriculture (Argentina = soy beans, wine, lithium, gold, pears, etc...)
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0But to explain it clearly to you, mein lieber Niederdeutscher Freund, the main aspect of my comment was related to the potential economic wars and tolls/restrictions imposed by both countries, and successively the disadvantages they cause to both parties. In this case, the party who exports more to the other country is more vulnerable, as a much higher percentage of their export and producers are being “threatened”.
Did you get this, or did your little “New Kids brain” just implode?
Now continue your “low esteem” routine speech and trolling, but only expect an answer from me, when you decide to specify on the respective themes.
@16 I was not criticising Chile with regards to copper income. Hell, if the price is high, why not cash in? Where Chile is sensible is that it saves the surplus rather than squander it as some other SoAm countries would. Chile has made a big effort to diversify and has built strong alternatives like fruit, wine, salmon, even seaweed to Japan. This means it is not totally dependent on one market. This has been the cause of Argentina's decline. (I still believe that with the right government Argentina could be great again).
Feb 17th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile is a small, conservative country but it is most definitely the good house in a bad neighbourhood, economically speaking. I have a great fondness for the country and the people. I am here now enjoying the company of my Chilean friends.
Chile is lucky to have copper and is lucky to have better government and an open, robust economy. And if @14 Fido Dido is to believed, the Australia is just a rich country as it has masses of natural resources that Asia wants. To say that is it is to ignore that Australia was still one of the wealthier countries in the world before it shot ahead on mineral wealth.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0It really seems to be a particular Argentine skill to have loads of problems when commodities exporting countries are booming.
@17, 18
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0With the Argentinians in a state of economic paralysis, it's hard for the Chileans not to cash in on the commodities prices. By using their cash-crop and diversifying then they're helping to guarantee long term stability. This still doesn't take away from the fact that their neighbours are Mr and Mrs Unhinged, but if the Falklands follow suit and diversify using their oil windfalls then they will have a good, stable and compatible trading partner in the region to go with a few of the others (Uruguay, Brazil).
It's just a shame that their is no emphasis on hi-tech in the region, to allow them to use some of that oil and copper. I guess for that you need to invest heavily in education and create low-tax incentives.
#5 I've been thinking for a while now the constantly recurring pornographic language so many of the BNP types on here use about Cristina says a lot about them. I think its a combination of (VERY lame) attempts to demean her, a bit of a repressed crush on your part, and confusion by your macho neanderthal type on how to deal with a strong independent beautiful woman.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For once I like the picture here, it looks like Queen Cristina is looking down on Cameron with ironic contempt...as well she might!
@20 So you're not okay with political parties that espouse Authoritarian British Nationalism, but you're okay with parties that espouse Authoritarian Argentinian Nationalism. How marvelously contradictory of you.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I personally like neither.
I don't like “authoritairian nationalism” of any country either, if by that you mean the jingoism, racism, and fascism that the BNP, EDL and so on stand for in Britain.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the fascistic wing of Argentine politics must really hate Cristina, after all she's put its dictatorial leaders in jail =) Under Kirchnerism Argentina has gone from a country Nazis used to flee to, to a country you guys keep telling leftist like me to “go back to” like Cuba or in the old days Russia =)
On the other hand if you mean she's authoritarian for taking a firm line with greedy bankers, and nationalist for standing up for her country's legitimate rights against colonialism, I'm kind of up for that =)
I'm surprised I must say that no-one has responded to my psychoanalysis of the mysogynistic haters on here, you must all think I'm right =)
By the way its Cristina's birthday today, so I would like to wish her many many happy returns, and many re-election victories =)
@22 In popularist politics, Fascists and Authoritarian National Socialists are typically the same thing and quite closely aligned under the umbrella of a 'cult of personality'. In exchange for colonialism, Argentina has irredentism of the highest order.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of a shame that you don't have the balls to live under the quasi-Nazi regime that you support though. You wouldn't be able to adapt, and you'd end up in all sorts of bother. That's what typically happens to sack free people such as yourself.
Its a lot tougher living here and campaigning against the government, and thats what I'm doing. If Britain became a dictatorship and I had to flee then it probably would be to South America but hopefully it won't come to that =)
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 British_Kirchnerist
Feb 20th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How amusing, all those who want to 'protest' against some issue in their own country always seem to gravitate to the UK to do it, and once there proceed to abuse, denigrate, and generally treat with contempt their host. The democratic and generous nature of the British to all those down trodden and persecuted individuals is wearing very very thin, and if Argentina chooses to carry out another illegal commercial and military campaign against our own you will find your 'welcome' in the UK terminated. Just remember that the dog that bites the hand that feeds it is eventually 'put down'.
You idiot, I didn't come to the UK from some other country to protest, I was born here, I love my country and will stay in it and work to make it better, and theres nothing you can do to stop me. If you were an “argie” you'd have been throwing people out of helicopters though wouldn't you, you fascist
Feb 20th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 British_Kirchnerist
Feb 20th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An 'idiot and fascist' in the same post that's nice :) Thank you for bringing me up on that, I must try harder not to stereotype and make assumptions while reading your posts that praise and support the president of Argentina. I have always said that the biggest threat to the safety and security of the UK comes from within, either by those persons I alluded to in my previous post (25) and from home grown 'fifth columnists'. I respect your political opinions and happily agree to differ (if we do differ, as I certainly don't know enough about you to make those assumptions) but if you do love your country, why do you support another who may well engage in another act of military aggression against your own countrymen and women?
CFK seems to be that unusual amalgam of pseudo-leftie, nationalist/populist who exploits paranoia and misery to garner political advantage and personal wealth and power. So little is said of the corruption and massive wealth of her and her husbwnd's estates yet she appeals to the poor with that sham concern à la Evita. I feel your pain from my palace, my free Olivos house and my jet whilst dressed up to the nines... So sad.
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