MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentine opposition demand open debate on Malvinas, not the “official speech”
Argentine members of the opposition have warned that they will not attend a Friday special session of the Senate and Lower House Foreign Affairs committees to be held in Tierra del Fuego and dedicated to the Malvinas issue unless the overall position of the diplomatic conflict is openly debated. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is great. The Argentinian far-right and the Argentinian far-left want to discuss a decision they both agree on. That's putting Argentina's tax money to use!
Feb 21st, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0For the first time in 10 years.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The argentine position about Malvinas Islands don´t depend of the right or the left and neither depend of some political party. Everybody must know that the whole Argentina and the whole South America (and a lot of other countries in the world) know that these Islands belong to Argentina and it will be so for ever. Nobody will be able to change this fact. In this sense, this fact won´t change as a consequence of the stealing performed by UK using the military force. This country only have its pirate war vessels with its ridiculous “prince” doing nonsense there to maintain this usurpation but it hasn´t any valid arguments to steal the territories and resources of South America.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3 That's true, nothing will change, the islands are British and will remain so. A cup of green tea?
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Maybe they'll decided to pay the international terrorist group 'the Condors' back to the islands for another Hijacking. You know how much Argentina loves state sponsored terror, and considering they're on their payroll.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe they will remove the undocumented mine fields they created all over the islands, I mean afterall they want to give peace a chance or something.....
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got to love poster 3, he's found a 1000 ways to say the same thing and manages to weave in pirate and stealing in nearly every sentence. I mean can you imagine the pain he must inflict on his co-workers and family by being in their presence, those poor unfortunate people.
Although to be fair at least he doesn't do as most of the Argentine posters do, which is copy and paste. As buzz lightyear would say 'To infinity and beyond!'
This sounds to me that the opposition party is not happy at the way the K's are handling the dispute, in otherwords they may well feel the k's are embarressing argentina on the global stage, though thats nothing new is it!
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3johnfarrel,
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt used to be “the whole world” from you!
Now its just ”(and a lot of other countries in the world)”
Noticed a bit of sagging support for Argentina just lately, have you?
lmbecile
“Under the 1994 Argentine constitution, the extreme south jurisdiction of Argentina includes Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and the South Atlantic Islands.”
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well ,I call on the occupants of Gilbert House to amend the Falklands constitution to include all of Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego and they should not rest untill thier objective is achieved. Now lets all go on an expensive junket to Carcass island to talk about. Ha Ha
What a bunch of muppets..... and even the opposition is wanting to put there head in the sand with the victory group stamping thier feet to try and get the 'opposition' to fall in line behind them.Ha ha ...some opposition !
Noticed a bit of sagging support for Argentina just lately, have you?
Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0lmbecile
Ahahaahah poor girl isolde....uk will sell Malvinas..It is only a matter of time.....
8 Isolde
Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He was still very recently saying “the whole world” backed Argentina. Something the whole world knew wasn't true of course. Now he has tempered that down to “a lot of other countries”. Still of course something the whole world knows isn't true. LOL!
9 Viscount Falkland
I'm sure Rob on Carcass would be happy to host the summit. His smokos are worth the trip on their own, not to mention his meals. Also, I am sure he could add a lot of wisdom, credibility and humour to the discussions.
Otherwise they could try the Neck. They'd get no smoko, get charged for the ride down there and get harassed about a road from the settlement. LOL!
”Antarctica and the South Atlantic Islands.” ... it looks like colonisation, it smells like colonisation, and it walks like colonisation.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wait.. it's colonisation.
Besides, Argentinian and open-debate is a contradiction in terms.
There is a place for speeches, and also a place for debate.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a democracy and, as such, the debate should be heard and reported. If it disagrees powerfully with the governing party's position this can condition public opinion and change.
It should not result in a Correa-like coercive campaign against the message and the messengers.
Don't expect massive difference in the rhetoric from politicians of whatever hue; we look for the nuance and the 'hidden messages' that show the extent to which Argentinians understand the illogicalities and propagandic nature of the CFK Government's position.
@10, Malvi, you always claim it is a “matter of time”. It is a matter of time for Argentina to take control, and now it is only a matter of time for Britain to sell the islands.... you will be saying it is a “matter of time” for the rest of your life. You should have it as your mantra. Just keep reminding yourself that it is only a matter of time.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I wouldn't worry about it, by the time they stop whinging, your descendents will be riding laser bikes around Neo Stanley on Io colony.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0This story is all very well - but what does it mean in practical terms.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the other parties want to step up the isolation of the Falklanders? Do they want to block the LAN flight? - or do they think she's over stoking the fire a little?
@16 I'd expect more flip-flopping. They tried an economic blockade, and that failed because it made them look like Nazis, so then they tried to look like they were 'letting' Uruguay do economic deals with the islanders, as if they were assisting them. They told the world that they didn't even think about the cancelling the LAN flight, even though F.cK had screamed about it in front of the UN. I would be expecting more of the same, probably with some more of this Timerman wants the UN Security Council to have Argentina on it.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would not expect 1850, ICJ to be mentioned, they'll probably just decide to do some more ranting at the UN, and to Iran.
UK will simply maintain the status quo.
Argentines need to look at Syria and the response of the security council to understand how far they are going to get with this at the UN.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine opposition demand open debate on Malvinas, not the “official speech”
Feb 21st, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ONLY thing you can rely on with politicians anywhere is they will do what is best for THEM.
It is difficult to see what if anything will come of this. Had they have asked to repeal the clause in the 'Constitution of Argentina' (an oxymoron if ever there was one) about the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) then that would be a surprise.
The opposition probably want to go “Galtieri” and try to take the islands by force, which will result in another humiliating defeat. However, it's debatable as to whether or not this would be less embarrassing than what the current administration is doing. Complaining like a 5 year old child to people who don't care.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 speculation is wonderful so..
Feb 21st, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(I) If they repeal the changes to the constitution that would be a complete turn around.
(II) They won't discuss military conflict because the first thing the UK would do is 'turn out the lights' and the Argentinian government knows that it's very difficult to propagandaise lots of sad poor people sat in the dark.
(III) That's just leaves them doing the usual fork-show of consecutively shouting 'las malvinas son onos' until they get bored... then ranting about the UN.
(IV) They could bring the international terrorists group 'the condors' back into active duty, because we know how much argentina loves sponsoring international terror.
Statistically III is the most likely.
@20: Nobody here wants to “go Galtieri” except maybe for a tiny minority of extreme right-wing nutjobs like Alejandro Biondini who can't get even the 1% of the votes.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FAP are a bunch of FAPpers, their name was well chosen ;-) They are every bit as populist, fascist, protectionist, nationalist and anti-free-market as the kirchnerites, only with better manners.
The only opposition in Argentina is the Partido Liberal Libertario (Liberal Libertarian Party).
What Argentinians have to understand is that if they really do have and accept the support of “the rest of the world” as they keep saying, then there is a pay-off, of course!
Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is the pay-off?
They will have to adopt the same Multicultural model of those countries!
The same model that Hollywood celebrities like Penn support and promote.
This puts Argentina in an interesting and very compromising position.
Why?
Argentina is the ONLY Left-wing run country that is also very nationalistic and extremely ethnocentric.
That's ok if you are a black country, or asian country, like South Africa or China.
But not if you are a White country, like Argentina.
Argentina is famous for it's xenophobia and racism, even among the left, which is traditionally seen as anti-“racist”. Never mind that today a “racist” is anyone winning an argument with a left-winger, that's besides the point.
The point is a left-wing dominated country like Argentina simply cannot remain White for long.
And it won't.
This is what will happen. If Argentina gets this island, if they “win” this “conflict” they will have to adopt the multiculti model.
If they don't the backlash against them from those who supported them will be fierce and relentless.
The Left-wing, Marxist model that dominates the West today, shifted it's focus from Class to Race over 50 years ago. Why do you think Obama is in the White House? Accident? Coincidence?
The real model of all Western countries today is not the United States.
It's South Africa!
Every single White country has been forced or forced itself to “adopt” the Multiculti model. In short, it has transferred all of its power to outsiders.
Argentina will be no different.
They were just last in line, that's all.
The Corporate model and the Multicultural model have merged and are being imposed on all of the West today.
The racist, xenophobic, left-wing Argentinians are an anomaly about to be chewed up and spit out by it's own ideology!
Love it! :)
@3 Notice please that there is not a single “justification” for the argie claim. jf is undoubtedly an asylum inmate. We know he's not an argie. He's said so (?). Does anyone remember where this scatalogical freak says he comes from?
Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 OK. The price is £25 trillion. Got your cheque book? How many thousands of years will it take argieland to come up with the money. Sorry. Gold only!
@13 “Argentina is a democracy” Are you sure? How many democracies do you know of that govern by decree?
@20 & 21 Be honest, people. Can you actually think of a reason for argieland to exist? Britain, for example, introduced parliamentary democracy, abolished the slave trade and policed the abolition AND began the Industrial Revolution. What comparable action has argieland taken? It's taken lying to a new standard of incredibility. It's been a front-runner in invading peaceful countries. And it has achieved an incredible record for denying that it is imposing sanctions (in contravention of the UN Charter) whilst imposing sanctions and announcing them. No doubt there is some incredible Kirchnerist justification for this. But since the cow only speaks gibberish we'll never know.
@23 “this island”? It's an archipelago. LOTS of islands. Currently ALL British. At some stage, ALL to be Falklands. “Argieland”, soon to be a crater.
@22 I think your Partido Liberal Libertario need to be a lot more vocal and active in your country, because the current events are simply not having a positive effect on the relationships you have with your neighbours, aswell as polarising events rather than focusing on internal issues like inflation.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've personally got no problems with Argentinians, but I think this nationalistic streak they have is not very productive, neither is the lack of free trade, that's basically turning your economy upside down.
I'd vote Partido Liberal Libertario if they're anti-protectionist and pro-patriotic/anti-nationalistic, but I'm then I'm not an Argentinian.
@ 22 Biondini is a Peronist, like Cristina, Néstor. The same sh*t. Who are you trying to convince of your lies, García?
Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 I feel sucked in and then spat out like a gullible fool.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 We're working on it, mate ;-) The party was founded in 2009, we're a young force with a lot of potential, but the fascist Law of Political Parties enacted in 2010 by the kirchnerites made the formation of new parties a lot harder. Our immediate objective are the elections of 2013. Since our party advocates individual freedom, free market and respect for the non-aggression principle, we strongly object to the current bullying, sabre-rattling policies of CFK in regard to the Falklands.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep your head down egarcia - you're in for a rough ride!!
Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Where did I lie? Biondini is a Peronist but he is not part of the ruling coalition (FPV). As much as I despise CFK's regime, I seriously doubt she or rest of the the kirchnerites (or the FAPpers for that matter) are insane enough to even CONSIDER pulling a Galtieri. Apparently the British Defence Secretary agrees:
Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1450437-argentina-no-representa-una-amenaza-para-las-islas-malvinas
Biondini, on the other hand... I'm glad nobody in his right mind would vote for him.
Going back to the topic for one minute, I've been sifting through the dirge that is 'La Nacion' and it appears that Kerchner wants to force all the political parties into some kind of magnificent Mao-style statement about how everyone is behind peron and nestor's vision of negotiating about the Malvinas.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's figuratively like Mussolini preaching to the masses... no wait, it's really like that. Hilariously savage.
Sorry it's only in Spanish, but it seems some Argentine intellectuals differ with the Argentine government attitude to the Falklands. Hopefully Penguin News will be bringing this out in English.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1450381-malvinas-un-grupo-de-intelectuales-pide-cambiar-la-politica
@32 Mao and Kim Il-sung didn't like the intellectuals either, because they undermined his fixed and rigid idiology. Then they were called anti-communists, and traitors. Pretty much what Kirchnerism uses to keep their Fockwit du Jour in charge.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same shyte, different shovel.
@ 4 Nothing changed with british military force, the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Pleaase don´t invent nonsense. The country who is bringing a pirate terroristic vessel with its ridiculous prince is uk. Argentina only want to negotiate to solve this discussion.
@6 Of course, I only say the truth in different ways, because the truth is only one and is very different of the lies told by uk. In addition, you are wrong, I´m not from Argentina. You need to know there are a lot of people from other countries around the world that knows this truth.
@8 You are a sample of the way used by british to defend its wrong ideas: insulting as a consequence of lack of arguments. But you need to know that There are a lot of countries that are in favour of the position of Argentina. All South America, Some countries of Africa, Some countries of Asia, including China, some countries of Europe. And there are some countries who didn´t tell their position but requested to both countries to negotiate. In this last group of countries you can find the most of countries of the world including for example the United States. But uk doesn´t want to hear because only wants to impose it´s interest using the military force.
@24 You are another example of the way used by british people and your country to defend your wrong ideas without any valid arguments, attacking the people who tells the truth.
@1o Malviner01 what is wrong with you. I've told you before; unless you have something of value to contribute butt out. We are never going to sell the Falklands (yes, that is their real name, as they were called the Falklands before they were called the Malvinas (Captain John Strong named them as such when he landed there in 1690, well before the Spanish got there), the Falklanders, as previously stated, have a right to self determination. British settlers were there before Spanish settlers, and we never stole them in 1833, as we had every right to re-assert our authority over a settlement established by a German (Louis Vernet) with the permission of the British Government on territory over which we held sovereignty. I'm not quite sure why I'm even bothering to explain these simple facts to you as I am fully aware that you will simply dismiss them out of blind hatred but you should at least be told the truth...
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Countries which back Argentina: South America sans Chile, who have always claimed to support Argentina due to the RG military threat, but have supported us when push comes to shove as in the Falklands War, Iran and China. (Oh and lets not forget that B-list actor Sean Penn, whom has been listened to by nobody)
Countries which support Britain: The entire European Union, the entire commonwealth of nations, Turkey and yes, even the USA, who have recently made statements in support of us.
Countries don't care: Just about everyone else
It would seem that Britain has significantly more support than you do, so stop talking out of your arse.
34 johnfarrel2050
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It matters not one iota what delusional Argies say about the mythical 'truth' of the islands (including you)..
Why? Because the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) wishes come first and are recognised as such by the UN.
Game set and match.
Grow up and get real for once.
@34 Lovely. Still no arguments or facts. But let's take your second point. In which your own comment, RETARD!
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let''s get this totally straight. You are a stupid, pig-ignorant, brainless fu*ker. You are an argie plant. A traitor to whatever cuntry you suggest you live in. Any chance you would put yourself in the front line, wan*er? Of course not. You are a sphincter-quaking coward. But don't worry. We will find you. And you know what will happen. We have a very special length of British steel for you to spin on. How should we really describe you? Hypocritical coward or cowardly hypocrite? Please do the entire world a favour and cut your throat! Toe-rag. Hey, perhaps you're a stinking kraut. Plenty of those in South America with all the cuntries that liked to welcome nazi war criminals.
@37 when people have had their belief system completely broken by an ideology that forces psychological compliance to a set of principles, including expansionism, then these people are unlikely to actually be able to judge or think properly, they exhibit something called Confirmation Bias. They basically just spit out fact that support this ideology and omit from reality anything that does not, as it causes cognitive dissonance.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0johnfarrel2050 is a textbook case of this.
Rabbit in headlight syndrome
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34. Can you show us all here, a document, which has been signed by all South American, and various other countries, which catagorically states they all fully support Argentina with there claim, and current actions???
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thought not.
However there are many countries who support the Islanders, and their rights of Self-Determination.
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Facts are a wonderful thing, and signed agreements are even better.
Keep dreaming.
@40 I can show you an agreement that Argentina signed in 1850 to say that it agreed to end all existing differences, including claims on British Territory.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It took them only 50 years to go back on that agreement. It's difficult to know how Argentina exists when no one has a backbone.
show us so they can all see it,
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they may not understand it, but they can see it .lol.
Yes, we should send a copy of this 1850 document to every organisation we can find.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From all organs of the UN right down to every countries' equivalent of a county council.
Or as johnfarrel2050 says, “the whole world”♥
then perhaps they will look at their support differently,
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and see just what a greedy disgrace argentina really is .
@43,42 It's here for your perusal (http://www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157629004050947/). It settled all existing differences, including the Falklands. Sadly Argentinians don't care about law or contracts, or defaulting on loans, or genocide.
Feb 21st, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YogurGriego
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two things.
First. Don't cut a part of a sentence to change the meaning.
Art. I. The Government of Her Britannic Majesty, animated by the desire of putting an “end to the differences which have interrupted the political and commercial relations between the 2 countries”
Clear as water. Only the differences which interrupted the political and commercial relations. The war didn't start for the Islands, the Islands were unnafected. Before the XX Century, the Islands didn't interrupt any political or economical relations. Besides, they aren't mentioned.
Second. What are you pretending with genocide? If you are going to say something try to be able to back it.
JH2050,
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you have an anglo name when you are clearly a spanish speaker? Did you think anyone wouldn't notice your crap English? What does “terroristic” mean?
@46 “end to the differences which have interrupted the political and commercial relations between the 2 countries” >> the plate issue, and your ongoing desire to invade the Falklands in 1833, so 17 years earlier.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems clear as glass in any type of Legal world, you signed away your existing issues in 1850, and that's just a FACT.
JS #46
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Genocide:
This is categorised as the *intentional* killing of a signifiant part of a population exhibiting 'difference' from the perpetrators. Thus the passage of diseases to parts of the world with lower tolerance or immunity may not be genocide.
'Difference' may be racial, religious, skin colour, sect, etc. Nationality, in itself, is insufficient to classify as genocide.
But genocide has a very different meaning to those on the receiving end. The perception of genocide can be that a nation's manhood is being killed off - as happened in South America.
More frequently, mass murders are not restricted to the male gender; Bosnia, Ruanda and now Homs in Syria follow the Ghengis Khan approach to life and death - indiscriminate killing of all and sundry. Some of these are, in part, genocides; some are just simple 'good old slaughter'.
@49 As Darwin said, “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world.” So it's only a matter of time before the Argfags are 'not with us any longer'.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just need to wait.
@48
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A desire which never went anywhere. And it never interrupted political and comercial relations. Did it?
Before being right you need to proove two things. 1)Did the Malvinas issue interrupted political and commercial relations?
You are right. We did settle an issue. You lost the war and recognized that we had the right to impose our soverignity on the Parana river. End of story. The war was that after all.
#50
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Notable_Charles_Darwin_misquotes
“. . . . .At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world.
At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated.
The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”
Darwin was asserting that the human races will eliminate the other anthropoid apes - we see it happening for bush-meat - and force greater genetic distance between the human species and the rest of the animal kingdom.
But you still have to grapple with the final phrase:
”. . . . instead of as now between the negro or Australian (aboriginal) and the gorilla.”
I believe that Darwin was part of the Victorian era belief-system that some races within a species were more equal than others.
you wont get the falklands with a claim in the past,
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0today you have democracy and self determination,
and you will not get them, .
@52 It's ironic because it describes Argentina. Argentinians support the Herrenvolk principle that fundamentally underlies Peronism. With deep links to European Nazism, Peron himself agreed to the ODESSA relocation of Nazis to Argentina, with people such as Rodolfo Freude. The benefit of relocating to this fascist country was that had previously exterminated their non-european population, so was suitable based upon Nazi requirements. The irony is that both the exterminating races, certainly weren't civilised, but odious and disgusting.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exterminated?
Are you serious?
One thing is overwhelm with numbers. Other more different is to exterminate. In Chaco for example, at least 1/4 of the people is Amerindian. Same in Formosa. They weren't exterminated. They were moved to reducciones. Same in Patagonia. The new lifestyle plus disease and starvation was what dropped their numbers. Look for the chronicles of the ones captured by the Army. It wasn't as it's often portrayed.
Besides, people in Argentina don't hate Natives. Look at Ceferino.
@55 They were ethnically cleansed, and now make up less than 1% of the Argentinian population. The Spanish conquistadors in Argentina may not hate natives, but they came earlier and are not the same as the ex-Mussolini Italians in Argentina and the Nazi-Germans who explicitly dislike anyone who isn't a member of their master race.
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we all know Nestor and Christina have significant German heritage, wonder when they came over... hmm.
@56
Feb 22nd, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. Pure Natives do. 15% at the absolute lowest carry Native genes. Then, to call Spanish Conquistadores to the descendants of Spanish is wrong. In fact, Argentina was one of the place with less of them. Overall, Argentina was one of the places in the Empire to recieve less Spanish men. Our colonization was mostly done from other parts of the Empire.
Then again, 85% of the descendants of Italians and Germans came before WW2. So hardly Nazis or Mussolinis. Besides, Italians acted for fear to the Germans and to be on the strongest side at the moment. When they could they changed sides. If not I invite you to come and ask my grandfather how they were treated in Croatia by Italians and how by Germans.
Nestor: His Grandfather was Swiss-German. Came before WW2.
Cristina: Her mother was Argentine. So hardly her family came after WW2.
Besides, to associate German heritage with Nazism is ridiculous and disrespectful at the minimal.
54 GreekYoghurt (#). The rat-run was set up between Bishop Alois Hudal in the Vatican and J D Peron, the reasons are explained on Hudal's pages on Google. As for Rodolfo Freude you missed out on daddy and brother-in-law. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nazi-gold-shipped-by-uboat-to-argentina-532304.html
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58 It's good to know the Catholic church, when it's not covering up widespread pederasty or selling indulgences, then it's helping Nazis get to Argentina (or into the highest post in the Vatican).
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we know Peronism was built upon his love for the ideologies of Hitler and Mussolini, we know Kercho and Nesto are both of german stock, what more are we going to find out? That their property empire is built on missing gold fillings and human soap?
@59
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop there. When you say “the Catholic Church” you include every Catholic. That's the meaning of being a Church. So be more specific in your acusations.
And Peronism wasn't built upon that love you call. Obviously it was influenced by them(specially Fascism). But it was built upon trying to create a welfare State and Peron's oportunism. Whenever he got the chance to “win”(be it economics, science, votes, whatever) he was capable of going against Peronism principles. Peron's peronism was an oportunist ideology, it's a fact. Note that this doesn't include post-peron peronism.
And again, get you facts right. Nestor was of Swiss stock and Cristina German heritage is from before WW2. Just as easy as checking wiki.
60 JuanStanic
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And again, get you facts right. Nestor was of Swiss stock and Cristina German heritage is from before WW2. Just as easy as checking wiki.”
Mmmm! Would these Wikipedia pages be the ones edited by Argentina?
I am sure you can make the jump yourself! :o)
@61
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I don't believe they would lie about their families. In any case their parents are Argentines. So their grandparents came way before WW2.
@62 You're hardly going to tell everyone that your family are ex-nazis who want to use their gold to rule argentina like the fifth reich. Funny that this is what has happened though.
Feb 23rd, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore wikipedia, it's just not-information written by 12 year olds.
swiss and german
Feb 24th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0at least there genes are working well then,
money and greed ?
@63
Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your claims on them are absurd IMO.
Anyway, search the Immigrants Register if you have doubts. Almost all after 1880 are there.
Greek #63
Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can assure you I am no 12 year old.
67% of Swiss are German speaking
Feb 24th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mountain Germans is what they are.
So people who can't trace their family back to the 1850's
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are whining that people who live on an island and have a family that stretch back to 1833.
Stole it off them ??????
That is correct, Martin.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They cannot see the irony of 3rd generation Argentines telling 9th generation Falklanders that they have no right to their country.
Damned cheek, l say!
“They cannot see the irony of 3rd generation Argentines telling 9th generation Falklanders that they have no right to their country.” Isolde # 69
Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even for those Argentinians that can trace an uninterrupted South American ancestory through 9 generations, there is still the irony, Isolde.
But irony butters no parsnips in Argentina.
Nor Thinks turnips in Patagonia (Argie occupied Patagonia)
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