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The Malvinas/Falklands: diplomacy interrupted
Sending Prince William to the Malvinas, or Falkland Islands, gives out a message of intimidation. By Sean Penn Read full article
Sending Prince William to the Malvinas, or Falkland Islands, gives out a message of intimidation. By Sean Penn Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat an absolute pillock. Pretentious barely literate ill-educated nonsense. Read the comments on the Guardian website, even the Guardianistas berate and despise this wife beating idiot: ”I would say that Sean Penn article is a rather pompous defense of his own ill advised rhetoric, most probably incentivised by his own prejudicial inclinations towards the UK's past, and through listening to (I would guess) a rather biased opinion from the leader of the government in Argentina. Perhaps if he wishes to be further educated on the matter he should take in the opinions of others and fully understand the issues rather than take to a stage to make himself sound like an idiot.” Most Americans are embarrassed by this clown.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you're going to read this. You do understand that p - e - n are the first three letters of a wll-known word that describes you. Pr*ck!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does it occur to you that the people living in the land that you are so happy to condemn (the Falkland Islands) want nothing to do with the turds that invaded them 30 years ago and have not changed one iota in the interim?
Perhaps you have a problem with imperialist colonialism? Then perhaps you might also have some problem with the inheritors of the Inquisition, Spanish/argie genocides.
Tell us, please, about all the research you have done before you arrived in argieland, met CFK and followed her invitation. “I'll bend over this desk and you give my butt a good shafting. I like it. Even it is an American pr*ck. Oh, and there's US$1,000 in it for you.”
Must be nice for you to be associated with a regime best known for it's ability to toss people out of aircraft thousands of feet above the ocean.
DO NOT mention our Queen. We have no wish for even part of her title to be befouled by the cesspit of your turd-infested mouth.
This guy is an absolute TIT. The people who were chearing on the junta in their invasion of the Falklands were the 250,000 people in front of the Casa Rosada plus the other millions of brainwashed zombies across Argentina.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people who fought the hardest against the junta were the British Forces who liberated the Falklands and in doing so liberated Argentina from the junta. When are the Argentinians going to thank Britain and its armed forces for liberating them ? Even though it is nearly 70 years since WW2 the Norwegians,Dutch,Belgians ,Danes,French and others still greet the US,British and Canadian veterans as heroes.
Talk about Argentine ingratitude !
TWIMC
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Sean Penn says:
”As an American citizen whose position (or even any right to a position) has been called into question by a transparently corrupt and non-diligent propaganda machine that is much of the British press, my words of 12 February as well as my follow-up on 13 February in Montevideo, Uruguay, were, despite a complete video record, regurgitated through excerpt and flagrant manipulation.”
He goes on saying:
”The “Falklanders'” slogan is “Desire the right”. Indeed this is a human desire and not the exclusive domain of Falkland Islanders. And it is the same desire for which so many Chileans and Argentines suffered and ultimately triumphed. The recognition that the diplomatic process of the 1970s gives to some of the legitimacy of Argentine claims should not be dispelled or denied by the great United Kingdom through the exploitation of a more recent past, or for the greed of superpowers desperate to control the natural resources of the world. God save the Queen.”
I say:
This guy is no turnip……………
This man is a troll and to be fair to him, his trolling skill is extreme. He can troll entire countries in real life.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so ill informed and biased to the left of politics. Please stick to acting.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I gave up half way through this Drivel, WHY can't He just shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow !!! wtf !!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle©
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m being threatened by Nr. (8); a retired postman from Pocklington……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go&feature=fvsr
@8
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol at the anger management of this idiot.
That sounded rather gay and retarded. Looks like you forgot your medication once again.
I'm firmly of the opinion that everyone has one talent that they should be respected for and should cultivate to the best of their abilities.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly neither the fields of researching your statements or acting as an ambassador rather than a publicity whore are Mr Penn's talents.
He should have stuck to battering paparazzi and dangling them by their ankles out of seventh story windows. I could have respected him for that.
All comments are “archaic” as the colonial situation in our Malvinas.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don Think, I just bought a “Bushmaster BA50” ... I really need an excuse to use it and if you can provide some moving targets for me so I can practice. Your help is greatly appreciated :-))
malvinas no exist,
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mr penn is one silly person amongst billions, why let it effect you, nothing he says will have any effect on the british falklands,
just like CFK he will have his childish followers,
but who is the fools, he who speaks, or they who follow and belive him,
he is of no interest,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and as for a turnip,
he is no british turnip, thats for sure,
but he may well be a cotton bud .
(14) Mr Menendez
Feb 24th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your kind offer but…… no thanks.
Old “Mr. Conqueror” presents no real threat………, and with all his back aches he could hardly be considered a “moving target”.
Anyhow, I would be more afraid of you turning that nasty piece of equipment at me…….
PS:
Sugg. Retail Price: $5299.00 !!!
Haven´t you heard that it is an economical crisis out there?
From Penn’s ranting’s :
Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK's unfaltering support of a dictator who had live rats inserted into female genitalia and electric probes placed on the testicles of men in Chile simply because they had elected for a life, identity, and leadership of their own choosing”
Here he goes again, Mr full-of-pus, is lying as usual, he obviously doesn’t know the difference between reality and one of his crap scripts.
“Penn blames the press for his misunderstanding of the Falklands dispute”
Of course he blames anyone else, but himself
He definitely suits Argentina, deluded, living in the past, hysterical and morally bankrupt.
We should send Mr Penn to Coventry. Or better he should go to the Falkland Islands and see what he is talking about instead of talking out of his arse. He could help clear up the minefields left by his friends in Argentina.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was the script writer CFK or Walt Disney........either way it's fantasy.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that th
Feb 24th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an uneducated loser. Salvador Allende was running Chile into the GROUND. Despite the bad things Pinochet did, he was the man who turned Chile around and made it what it is today. Without Pinochet's leadership, Chile would no doubt be another Venezuela. He talks of the man's atrocities, but then sits down for lunch with Fidel Castro?!!!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is typical Penn. He grandstands for media attention, then plays the victim when they call him out on his far-left agenda. He's only now realizing how outrageous his statements are, so he's attempting to backtrack. I hope nobody buys this crap. Just another member of the 'CommieWood', Obama campaign squad. Penn is, and remains, one of the most vile men to emerge from the American Film Industry.
1. There were agreements on oil exploration - Argentina tore them up.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. Argentina still has not replied to the December 2010 letter from the British Government offering talks - but claims to want negotiations.
3. Argentina claims to want to negotiate but dictates the outcome.
So basically Penn is an ignorant muppet spouting crap on a subject he is basically ignorant of.
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/t5l4fu/team-america-world-police-sean-penn-on-iraq
Funny how life imitates art....
Prince William is a Search and Rescue pilot. A tour of duty in the Falkland Islands is a part of the duties of all SAR pilots in the UK. Now if he didn't get the same treatment as everyone else, the left wing muppets would be complaining about him being treated differently. If he is treated the same as everyone else, they whine about upsetting a bunch of nutters in Argentina who are professionally offended.
The tortured logic the muppet uses to attack the deployment of a SAR pilot, newsflash the deployment of a warship is routine not just 'cos he is there, further demonstrates he is a gold plated, ignorant tosspot.
Ha he got his begging bowl out for Haiti again from his lovely big house in malibu... the numpty :)))))
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/23/sean-penn-falklands-malvinas-diplomacy-interrupted
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never argue with a Pi** Artist!!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Feb 24th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sugg. Retail Price: $5299.00 !!!.... add another 1500 for the scope ;-)
I love the comments of the so called “civilized members of the society”, do you imagine if we post the same comments?
No censorship from the Brits on this poor excuse of human being.
@17 Redcoat “Penn is lying as usual”
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As only telling part of the truth is LYING, the UK did not give unfaltering support of Pinochet, Chile was giving the British vital early warning of Argentine’s air raids during the Falklands War, without which the British could have lost, if not the war, a lot of men. We didn’t know what he was doing. Of course Pus Penn deals in half-truths, he‘s a self-publicist thirsting for adulation that he can only get from the type of fanatical audience found in desperate Argentina, as the pathetic little creep can’t get it home.
@8 Conqueror , don’t let them wind you up so much, you got hit with some quite humorous broadsides because of it.
“Sending Prince William to the Falkland Islands, gives out a message of intimidation......””
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a bunch of girlies the RGs must be....
The relationship was marred by violent outbursts against the press, including one incident for which he was arrested for assaulting a photographer on a film set; Penn was sentenced to 60 days in jail in mid-1987, of which he served 33 days.[13] It is also alleged that when Penn discovered the paparazzo in his hotel room, he hung him by his ankles from the ninth-floor balcony.[14] Later in the marriage, Penn was charged with felony domestic assault, a charge for which he pleaded to a misdemeanor.[15] Penn and Madonna divorced in 1989.
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Penn has sometimes shown poor control over his emotions in his personal life. Ergo, he's wrong about the FI.” Who can argue against such powerful reasoning?
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-))
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Sean for your input. Now how about taking a trip to the Falklands and speakings to the islanders. They speak the same language as you (or do they)? might help you to get their point of view, before you express any further opinions on the subject. Maybe that is a trip to far!!!!!!
Feb 24th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0June 14th
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/sensitivity-by-the-c24/
Penn gave a wonderful speech on ABC's of Gradiosity, and on How to Make an Ass Out of Yourself in Public.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, he thought he was doing something else.
He comes from a land where all men are created equal, you ever tried to talk to a black american, in america. Penn put your own houese in order before you try to put others in order, you hypocrit.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Contributors should cut their inflamatory hyperbole and get their facts straight.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Under the principal of territorial integrity, which according to UN Resolution 1514 (XV) (1960) complements and constrains the right to self-determination:
“Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.” ”
The UN has also noted that:
“ any colonial situation which partially or completely destroys the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and especially with paragraph 6 of Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly [...] ”
On this basis, the current inhabitants of the Falklands are seen as mere settlers from the United Kingdom and other countries and only their interests, not their wishes (as the right to self-determination would involve), need be safeguarded.
This is the reason why the United Nations formally includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.
The chain smoking kook Penn writing editorials. What will be next - purple dinosauer Barney writing about Peronism?
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be better if this “prince” once in your life begins to work of something without doing stupid things, traveling around the world. It´s very easy and very nice to travel around the world spending a lot of money of others. Someone knows how much money it was spent to do, this stupid travel, to the Malvinas Islands? I think that it is very expensive and a lot of fuel is needed to move this huge war vessel from uk to the Islands to do this stupid things!. I´m very lucky because I´m not a uk taxpayer. It is very nice to be in the place of this “pince” who has a lot of privileges to obtain what he wants without a serious work and without making any effort. Please don´t lie anymore, all the world knows that this ridiculous “prince” it´s only a privileged pirate who is traveling around the stolen territories by your country and he is only doing stupid things using a war vessel. Nobody in South America believe in this pirate “prince” and obviously nobody neither believe in his brother harry who is more pathetic than william. Please UK don´t lie anymore !
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your enlightning description of the United Nations charters, rules, regualations whatever you wish to call them. After working for 35 years in the military and law enforcement on the ground, let me enlighten you to a simple fact. Laws will only be accepted by those who want them, fact. Ask the victims of the war in the Balkans what they think of the many and numerous United Nations decrees. The so called safe havens, which infact saw UN troopers against their instincts as soldiers, round up people so that they could be liquidated, nice word that, murder basicaly. Ask them about the United Nations. While your at it ask the Rawandans their opinion on the United Nations. Even closer to home, in a couple of months, ask the Syrians the same question. So quote all the sections, sub sectionds you like. The fact is the UN is a toothless tiger and a waste of money, for those of you who contribute to it, or even make a pretence of living up to its priciples.
36
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's easy then. Take it to the ICJ.
Penn rules the world! :-)
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0#36 Beetle - self-determination trumps territorial integrity every time - but particularly when there was no such 'territorial integrity' in the first place !
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0#42 Lord Ton
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The principle of self-determination is not as clear cut as you make out. In fact, there are legal criteria for determining which groups may legitimately claim the right to self-determination. Moreover, self-determination is just one of many principles applied to determining international borders. Under the principal of territorial integrity, which according to UN Resolution 1514 (XV) (1960) complements and constrains the right to self-determination:
“Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.” ”
The UN has also noted that:
“ any colonial situation which partially or completely destroys the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and especially with paragraph 6 of Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly [...] ”
International law does NOT recognize settlers, or invading military forces as “a separate people or peoples” who may, under certain specific circumstances, may potentially have a right to self-determination.
Under international law, the current inhabitants of the Falklands are seen as supplanting interlopers from the United Kingdom and other countries and only their interests, not their wishes (as the right to self-determination would involve), need be safeguarded. This is the reason why the United Nations formally includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.
43 Betle
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0See 40
A bad actor called Sean Penn supporting the fascist aims of a nationalist Argentine government - which seeks to take over sovereignty of the Falkland Islands by force - sends out the wrong message.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0#44
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. Argentina or the UK should take the issue to the ICJ. It is interesting that neither has chosen to do so. See the following link to examine some reasons for this ( http://www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-falklands-dispute-will-probably-never-go-to-court/). However, in the interim the UK should also enter into negotiations as Argentina has requested and the UN has formally requested.
He never wrote a word of it! He has people to do that sort of stuff for him, and i am guessing it took quite a few re-writes!
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, rather than put him down, i suggest he learns the rules of football, and settles down in Argentina where he can concentrate on his political future.
Id like to watch him up there on a podium, waltzing around with Mrs Botox and all the other members of the Punch and Judy cast.
Penn for Generalissimo
#39
Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you're suggesting we resolve disputes through war instead?
That's easy then. Take it to the ICJ.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0uk never wanted..Just read uk piracy records......
(43) Betelgeuse
Feb 25th, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was a very suitable description for the kelpers:
Masc.: “Supplantinginterlopers”
Fem.: “Supplantinginterloperettes”
It complements my customary:
Masc.: “Squatters”
Fem.: “Squatterettes”
With your permission, I will use it in the future…………
Regards
El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
PS:
Very good link at (46)….
http://www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-falklands-dispute-will-probably-never-go-to-court/
Specially usefull the answer of the author, Marko Milanovic, in the comment section:
”Without going into too much detail, the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination is dubious for the following reasons:
(1) They might not constitute a people, and only a people is entitled to self-determination. They are not a population indigenous to the Islands, but were settled there by Britain after it had arguably expelled an Argentinian population that previously existed there (the facts, of course, are in dispute). They are at any rate not sufficiently distinct from the British metropolitan population to be considered a people. Nor has, for that matter, their status as a people ever been recognized by UN organs, who have consistently called them a ‘population.’
(2) Even if they were a people, this would not automatically give them a right to self-determination that could override Argentina’s presumed title over the Islands……”
I hear Penn is a fan of The Prodigy. He particularly like Track one of their Fat of the Land album.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beetle - you cannot claim territorial integrity, when you never held the Falklands !
Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - 'presumed' title :-)
Sean Penn writes
Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, the very people who suffered and fought most enduringly against this military Junta in Argentina are the ones who today lead that country,
In fact
The Argentinians who “fought most” are dead.
And the people who fought most effectively against the “ Argentinian Junta” are members of the British Armed Forces and Falkland Islanders.
The rest is flowery, instantly forgettable nonsense.
Haiti should fire this self appointed fool. He is doing their cause no good at all.
(52) Mr. Lorton
Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Juppp….
Mr. Marko Milanovic uses the word:
“Presumed”
about the Argentinean title over the Malvinas Islands.
As he uses the words:
”They might not constitute a people, and only a people is entitled to self-determination. They are not a population indigenous to the Islands, but were settled there by Britain after it had arguably expelled an Argentinian population that previously existed there (the facts, of course, are in dispute). They are at any rate not sufficiently distinct from the British metropolitan population to be considered a people. Nor has, for that matter, their status as a people ever been recognized by UN organs, who have consistently called them a ‘population……...........”
about the British Squatters on Malvinas Islands.
http://www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-falklands-dispute-will-probably-never-go-to-court/
It just gives a clue of his impartiality.
He is no turnip
@think
Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0In that case, if the islanders are british people, as you just quoted, then they are under the protection of the crown, which means that we can deploy whatever assests we like to defend them from your dirty little land grabbing attempts.
It also means that Prince William is doing nothing more than rotating his billet to somewhere else in British territory.
Here's Penn in action.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOWp3tLb2s
Its a FAG world Sean..........
Merco needs some like and dislike buttons that would cut down on some of the shite comments... a simple like or dislike...
Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 046 Betel
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting article. I haven't seen that source before. What it seems to be saying though is that if the UK took it to court there is a chance (like in any court case) it could lose. That makes sense, I can understand that. What I don't understand is why Aregentina wouldn't take that chance. What does it have to lose?
If I started building a house on some land and then someone told me to get off because it was their land that I was on, I wouldn't take them to court. I'd leave that for them and then just defend the case if it happened. Would I not?
'pre-emptive intimidation '? That would suggest that none of Argentinas blockade techniques have taken place.....
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think that you still have sufficient knowledge and evidence for your views MR Penn, then why dont you partake in the public debate you were challenged with by Ben Fogel ?........
Pen is is an actor... who is the 'queen of the fuglys' going to trot out next? Charley Sheen....?
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 The problem is that MercoPress doesn't really give one the proper space to comment. For example, in this self-justification, P-E-N.. gets to waste space with 945 words and 5841 characters. In other words, nearly three times as much space as WE get in which to reveal his hypocrisy. THAT winds me up. But I like to let rip at jerks like Twinky (4, 10, 16, 50, 54) because I like to remind them that there is at least one person who, given the opportunity, WILL NOT MISS! I have very high scores down at the range. And I have a score to settle. It involves 258 British servicemen and the turdnips that were responsible for getting them killed. There are some 40 million of them.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 He (P-E-N..) sounds just like an argie.
@36 How often do you numbnuts have to be told? NO UNGA resolution is binding. Not one. They are meaningless. So you can take your UNGA resolutions and shove them where the sun don't shine!
@38 More copy and paste!
@41 Yeah. Zog.
@43 Unfortunately for your reasoning, the UN is in no position to make judgements on events before its formation. Just as well for argieland, eh? Regarding your last 2 paragraphs, how would you describe “argies”?
@46 The last time the UK offered to go to the ICJ, argieland said it wouldn't recognise any judgement. Can't negotiate. There is nothing to negotiate and the Islanders say, “NO!”
@48 Why not? By one means or another, you seem to like it!
@49 YOU can't read!
@55 Actually, Milanovic misses two important points that Twinky, understandably, does not go into. Milanovic's definition of the Islanders could be equally applied to argies. They are not indigenous as witness the fact that they speak gibberish, sorry, SPANISH! Secondly, all of Milanovic's quotations come from General Assembly resolutions which, as has been endlessly stated but argies can't get through their thick skulls, are NON-BINDING! A reason that Britain doesn't attend C24 meetings. No point when all it can do is draft a resolution for the GA.
(26) Mr. Menendez
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only 1500$ for the scope?
Let me guess…. You being a ”Milico de corazón” probably chose a Leupold Mark 4 10x40 LR/T
If I knew anything about weapons (what I don’t :-) I would choose a DSR-50 / Hensholdt ZF 3-12x56 SSG-P combo.
Leaving aside the sovereignty dispute for a moment -I would like to correct this widely held belief that the UK ha upped the military ante recently in the Falklands. Since the military wind down after the 1982 war the UK's armed force assets have remained exactly the same-one destroyer or frigate,one patrol vessel,4 RAF air defence fighters and a small garrison of troops.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
HMS Daring is a type 45 destroyer that replaces the type 42.It is more capable yes but as technology advances all navies improve in capability. Prince William is an active and proud member of the RAF.Why should he be treated-or regarded differently from any other serving pilot? Is he superman? Why the hysteria. I truly dont understand it.
Incidentally think Sean Penn is a brilliant actor entitled to his opinion.
(62) Geoff
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A brillant actor….
A excellent director…..
And with great taste in music and women :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Js2Ef5Ojg&feature=related
62 Geoff
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A slight correction to your post above. The UK no longer has a Chinook helicopter on the islands. It left us something like 8 years ago to head off for duty in Afghan. This actually was a big loss and means that any heavy equipment cannot readily be moved around the islands like before. Some extra roads were built and arrangements for more ferry transportation were put in place but both of those measures are a compromise to the availability of a Chinook.
'yes but as technology advances all navies improve in capability. '
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not the RG ( excuse for a ) navy......
I admit I do like Madonna's music but I think she'd be difficult to live with.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 beetlegoose,
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't have to take anything to the ICJ, as we are rightfully in control of the lslands. They are ours.
lts up to Argentina to take the case to court & try to prove that they own our lslands.
Have you ever asked yourself why your government does not?
@50 Think,
l have a fitting title for your good self:-
You are the Andean Arch-Squatter.
@54 Think,
Who cares what Milano Markovic, or even Marko Milanovic, say?
l certainly do not.
Why, l don't even care what you say or think,Think.
And as for Sean Penn, poof, l like him even less now & he's ugly.
@50 Think – “(43) Betelgeuse That was a very suitable description for the kelpers: Masc.: “Supplantinginterlopers” Fem.: “Supplantinginterloperettes” It complements my customary:
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Masc.: “Squatters” Fem.: “Squatterettes” With your permission, I will use it in the future…………
Regards El Think, Chubut, Argentina.@55 Marcos Alejandro”
Think, have ever thought why you are so brainwashed??? Think! was it from birth? Think man Think, try to WAKE UP, Think how deeply brainwashed you are, Think hard about it, it was that false history you were taught wasn’t it, that they recited to you, whenever your rulers want to get your minds off something else.
And should be more worried about something else, as before long you will be starving. Your resent catastrophic drought, which destroyed your genetically modified soya bean crop, that is virtually your only means of revenue these days and with your current inflation of 26% set to increase, your shambolic public transport that has just doubled its fares and the price of utilities (electricity water etc.) going to rise four-fold, your rubbish isn’t getting collected, your roads are falling to pieces, you already have squalid ghettoes and insanitary shanty towns which are set to get very much worse, so Think you are you’re got more important problems to worry about. Think man THINK!!!!
@43 Betelgeuse - you just keep repeating yourself on every thread, whatever the subject. You must be really boring in real life.
68 Redcoat
Feb 25th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice post. Don't forget that not only are their roads falling apart but in BA they are falling into the subway. Along with the buildings. And what's CFK's answer? Ramp up the Falklands argument.
LOL!
(67) Isolde
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the third time. I humbly ask you to stop addressing me on your posts.
Your infatuation with “ Mr. Think” is becoming worryingly obsessive.
You must understand........; “Ours” can never be.
Think about your young children and that hubby of yours with his wonderful sense of humor.
Go shopping…...... Buy yourself a Mercedes…..... It may help.
Besides…....................
You are a Capulet.
I´m a Montague.
The brilliant and accomplished US actor, Tom Hanks reckons the Falkland Islands are British and that's good enough for me.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know much about of this fellow called Penn but he sounds a bit of a tosser. Heard somewhere that he was married to Madonna but she kicked him out after allegedly suffering years of domestic violence.
If true, what a rotter.
And still the Union Jack flies high and proud over these our beautiful and resource rich Falkland Islands and other South Atlantic possessions.
God Save the Queen and Rule Britannia.
Argentina has a US Actor supporting them.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have a US congressman.
:)
Excellent note of Sean Penn. Worldwide (United Nations, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR. MERCOSUR) and other multilateral organizations require compliance of the Resolutions of the Committee on Decolonization United Nations and General Assembly resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40) 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. This guy really understands very well the conflict and distinguish who the colonialists. Only requests that the UK complies with International law. Comply with UN Resolutions. Of the 16 cases of colonialism and imperialism, which are in the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, 10 are from England. The facts speak for themselves.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rolly - still here talking about long dead Resolutions!
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But why don't you mention 2625 of 1970 ?
It's the one that makes the Falklanders a 'people'.
@70 Think
Feb 25th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“For the third time. I humbly ask you to stop addressing me on your posts.
Your infatuation with “ Mr. Think” is becoming worryingly obsessive.
You must understand........; “Ours” can never be”
Where on the thread has Isolde addressed you as Mr Think?
I think, that you can’t think and you only gave yourself that name to remind you to think, but hasn’t worked, has it, so try harder to think.
And YOU MUST understand the Falklands will never be Argentinian, so think about that, repeat think man think.
(74) Mr. Lorton
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”But why don't you mention 2625 of 1970?
It's the one that makes the Falklanders a ”People”.
I say:
Would you care to explain to me (and to the rest of your World Wide Audience and to the UN Organization) how did you reach such an interesting conclusion?
It wouldn’t just be a personal opinion ….. Would it?
76 Think
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Full of personal opinions, hot air and crap.
Go back to your stained armchair, cheap tobacco and cheap Argentine alcohol, you pathetic nationalist.
Mr Penn goes to Argentina, is given the red carpet treatment, the propaganda spiel and suddenly he is hooked, line and sinker-ed into Argentina's relentless barrage of insults and rhetoric over the Falkland Islands.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Penn demonstrates his complete naivety, while the Argentine government demonstrate their complete and fanatical devotion to the Falklands - a land they are not even able to call be its actual name. The name the people who have lived there for 189 years call it. The same people the Argentine government refuse to recognising have the right to self determination of their own sovereignty!
Mr Penn going to Argentina and speaking on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands would be like Hugh Grant going to Mexico and requesting the US government to enter into sovereignty negotiations with Mexico over Florida. Florida has never belonged to Mexico but it is closer to Mexico than Washington and it has belonged to both Spain and Britain, offering up a good analogy with the Falkland Islands! The only thing missing is a fanatical fascist government in Mexico and a long standing dispute, with a history of Mexican aggression, threats and economic terrorism on the part of the Mexicans.
Sean Penn belongs to the Mel Gibson camp of political science - everything in the world can be explained in terms of a enormous Zionist conspiracy that began with the crucification of Christ and has been perpetuated by a Jewish banking cartel and an English monarchy using secret societies, who in tandem control the entire world... apart - that is - from countries like Venezuela, Syria, Iran and - it would seem - Argentina!
The guy repeatedly states throughout this article that he was not taking a side in the dispute, while repeatedly backing stating his one sided views and demonstrating his one sided understanding of the dispute, its history and the Falkland Islands.
The guy is a moron and so are those who seem to think he has anything useful to say.
There is quite a heated debate taking place in the Islands now with quite a few Islanders worried about the reaction not just from south america but britain as well when the oil starts coming out of the ground. Many are asking if that oil is worth the risk not just to the stability of their community but possibly their security too. It appears that during the first oil rush in 1998-9 the Islands' community suffered enormous upheavel and there was a frenzy of anticipation which led some Islanders to rush to buy up all available housing thus forcing up prices and then there was some concern at statements being made by certain councillors about increased immigration and possibly a call for independence.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this discussion is taking place then I am not surprised as the Islanders are intelligent and very cynical of the promises of carpet-baggers and politicians and especially of change - particularly change involving vast amounts of money that might well result in the Islands becoming little more than a useful vehicle for avarice and the venom of nationalist hate mongers.
But as the increasingly violent chavs in here keep saying - the islanders will be so rich they wont need to live there will they?
Think 76
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not worth Redhoyt answer. Now calling himself Lord Ton . SO_FAR right. Personality changes continuously.
79 Drefoss
Feb 25th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is this debate taking place? I am not aware of it. It's not in the Town Hall, the FIDF Hall, the Chamber of Commerce, the Malvina Hotel, Victory Green, Whalebone Arch, FICS, any of the church halls, any of the social clubs in camp or Gilbert House. So where is it taking place? I want to be part of it to add my views.
Please, does any Falkland Islander know where such a debate is taking place?
Can someone get Raul the Argfag to mention why he's not mentioning Argentina's lack of compliance with UN SC Resolution 502?
Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to the internets Neocolonialism is “the policy of a strong nation in seeking political and economic hegemony over an independent nation or extended geographical area without necessarily reducing the subordinate nation or area to the legal status of a colony.”... isn't this precisely what the Argfags do over their neighbours and are trying to do to the Falklands?
Why is the UN GA not concerned about this? The UN seem to be like a llama with no balls and no eyes and a leg missing.
79 dreyfoss
Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands needs more people and needs to grow. Of course the oil is more a curse, than a blessing but it's going to get drilled one way or the other. We need everyone to join the Defence Force and we need a Home Guard because Argentina is on a rapid course of falling apart and as it does so it will become more and more unpredictable.
Everyone must stay strong. While the Nazi bombed London, my mother went by her daily business, working in a military hospital in the centre of London as a nurse, my grandfather survived Dunkirk and father D-Day. We are strong and nothing these fascist monsters can throw at us should daunt our resolve.
76 Think
Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Full of personal opinions, hot air and crap.
Go back to your stained armchair, cheap tobacco and cheap Argentine alcohol, you pathetic nationalist.
nazi brits YOu are an IDIOT!
I just love when the brits are spending money they do not have in Malvinas..and love while these idiots get upset.....keep going guys..you make me very happy...
Funny how a Brit who defends his pro-British positions with insults or threats(“I would like to rip your ****ing heads off” - yeah, I remember that!), has the nerve to accuse others of nationalism.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Territorial Integrity.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://wpik.org/Src/unga1514.html
Paragraph 6 of 1514 cannot be read to justify territorial claims. The original purpose of paragraph 6 is “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions”. The use of the word “attempt” in paragraph 6 connotes future action, and paragraph 6 cannot therefore be construed to justify territorial redress for past actions. Its aim is rather to protect ”colonial territories or countries that have recently become independent against attempts to divide them...at a time which they are least able to defend themselves. Paragraph 6 is subordinate to paragraph 2, so that the right of self-determination remains available to the inhabitants of all non-self-governing territories without exception.
As regards the claim the Falkland Islanders are not a people. Were they not a people for the purposes of the UN, then the Falkland Islands would not appear before the C24 whose purpose is to assist colonial peoples to achieve self-determination.
And the gentleman whose paper is referred to above is incorrect. In 1981, at the New York meeting, the British delegation proposed to refer the dispute to the ICJ in 1983. Again in 1982, the British proposed referring the dispute to the ICJ as a means of settling the dispute and the withdrawal of all forces.
In addition to that, the dispute over the Falkland Islands dependencies were unilaterally referred to the ICJ in 1955. Argentina refused an offer to take the dispute there in 1947 and 1948. The 1955 case foundered as Argentina refused to accept any outcome.
And for the usual claim that the ICJ is biased, I suggest you look at the nationalities of the judges who would have heard the 1955 case. One was Argentine.
As regards Penn, he got the basic facts so badly wrong he made a complete caricature of himself.
(77) Anti-Fascist
Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry turnip
No armchair here…
Stains come off easily from my Panton chairs…..
I don´t smoke…..
Drink only Single-Malts and Russian Vodka…..
Bloody expensivo down here in Patagonia….
(80) Raul
In my opinion, Mr. Lorton is the type of person and blogger the world could use a couple of millions of…
The main minus with him is that he detracts almost all credibility from his otherwise excellent website by insisting in his “Omission Pecadillos”.
(86) Justin(hishead)Kuntz
As usual; personal opinions and Small Convenient Lies…….
Gaaaaaaab…
Smears and innuendo, the classic ploy from our resident liar when he sees something that rebuts Argentine propaganda.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malcolm Nathan Shaw (2003). International law. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-82473-6.
Any chance that sometime in the next century you might be able to produce some proof of your claim that Vernet's settlers were expelled in 1833? I mean can you ever cite an independent secondary source to substantiate what you claim.
Another inconvenient omission you're so fond of accusing other people of. Judge ye not other people by your own low standards.
26 Artillero 601 “I love the comments of the so called “civilized members of the society”, do you imagine if we post the same comments?”
Feb 25th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, probably will be gone in no time. Pomi, do you guess why? Shhhh
http://www.sartma.com/art_4848_12_192_2.html
72 zethe (#)
“ Argentina has a US Actor supporting them.
We have a US congressman”
Just take a look how many articles you can find on the web about Ambassador Penn comments over the islands and compare it to that nobody“invited guest” congressman for Wisconsin.
Penguin News interview:
“Congressman Sensenbrenner feels that if the Governor comes to the United States that he has to make the point that he is NOT a colonial Governor”
Penguin News asked if the Image of the Falkland Islands would be clearer if we didnt have a Governor but just a diplomat?
“ Well, he is a diplomat, was the reply. I hope he would be judged outside the Falklands not on his title but on what he does”(Good luck)
79 dreyfoss
Feb 25th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is quite a heated debate taking place in the Islands now with quite a few Islanders worried about the reaction not just from south america but britain as well when the oil starts coming out of the ground. Many are asking if that oil is worth the risk not just to the stability of their community but possibly their security too.”
You must have forgotten what having money is like and you know Argentinians are always unstable, what's new. There you go, the old Argentinian instinct of threating security, but don’t make me laugh, what, from a few old rusty gun boats !!!!
“ It appears that during the first oil rush in 1998-9 the Islands' community suffered enormous upheavel and there was a frenzy of anticipation which led some Islanders to rush to buy up all available housing thus forcing up prices and then there was some concern at statements being made by certain councillors about increased immigration and possibly a call for independence.”
Is that the extent your life, thinking these thing up? If the islands suffered enormous upheaval, what is Argentina being bankrupt like Catastrophic, you really are just a wishful thinker
“If this discussion is taking place then I am not surprised as the Islanders are intelligent and very cynical of the promises of carpet-baggers and politicians and especially of change - particularly change involving vast amounts of money that might well result in the Islands becoming little more than a useful vehicle for avarice and the venom of nationalist hate mongers.”
They are far, far too intelligent to believe anything you write.
“But as the increasingly violent chavs in here keep saying - the islanders will be so rich they wont need to live there will they?”
Clutching at straws again, when they become rich, their islands will only improve, your worthless country can only get worse.
Think ! Wake up Think! you're acting like a pre-programmed zombie.
@70 Think,
Feb 25th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You, “humbly” ask.............que?, you, oh haughty one, think you are being humble!
That is a laugh.
Thank you for thinking about me, but l don't think that it would work.
Only because of your deluded malvinista fantasies.
l know its a great blow to you, rejection, but try to be manly about this.
Since you are a Dane, we won't insult the Swedes anymore by calling you a swede & as turnip is too good for you, l think that you will have to be a Mangelwurzel.
l intend to buy a Mercedes or two, my dear Think.
We'll just have to extend the carport.
Extend the house,
Buy new furniture,
Add another rose garden.
Oh mucho money forces one to make more decisions!
@89 Marcos,
The Congressman was here to sound out an oil deal.
Don't you just wish you were part of it?
Silly, silly country. Of course good old Nestor isn't here anymore, but he's the one that you should get angry with.
Mr Penn goes to Argentina, is given the red carpet treatment, the propaganda spiel and suddenly he is hooked, line and sinker-ed into Argentina's relentless barrage of insults and rhetoric over the Falkland Islands.
Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Penn demonstrates his complete naivety, while the Argentine government demonstrate their complete and fanatical devotion to the Falklands - a land they are not even able to call be its actual name. The name the people who have lived there for 189 years call it. The same people the Argentine government refuse to recognising have the right to self determination of their own sovereignty!
Mr Penn going to Argentina and speaking on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands would be like Hugh Grant going to Mexico and requesting the US government to enter into sovereignty negotiations with Mexico over Florida. Florida has never belonged to Mexico but it is closer to Mexico than Washington and it has belonged to both Spain and Britain, offering up a good analogy with the Falkland Islands! The only thing missing is a fanatical fascist government in Mexico and a long standing dispute, with a history of Mexican aggression, threats and economic terrorism on the part of the Mexicans.
Sean Penn belongs to the Mel Gibson camp of political science - everything in the world can be explained in terms of a enormous Zionist conspiracy that began with the crucification of Christ and has been perpetuated by a Jewish banking cartel and an English monarchy using secret societies, who in tandem control the entire world... apart - that is - from countries like Venezuela, Syria, Iran and - it would seem - Argentina!
The guy repeatedly states throughout this article that he was not taking a side in the dispute, while repeatedly backing stating his one sided views and demonstrating his one sided understanding of the dispute, its history and the Falkland Islands.
The guy is a moron and so are those who seem to think he has anything useful to say.
91 lsolde “ intend to buy a Mercedes or two”
Feb 25th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Mercedez to drive in the road to nowhere or the bridge to Terabithia?
Put your glasses on and look outside of your window :-)
“The Congressman was here to sound out an oil deal”
He is going to have a hard time to convince his boss if that is the case.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/congressman-regrets-first-lady-weight-remarks/
89 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a website that might interest you
http://www.nighttours.com/buenosaires/
94 anti-fascist2
Feb 25th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know all of you love Argentina but there isn't any need for you to come from that far away.
http://www.gaytourslondon.com/
81 The Falklands are British = Archaic.... or a fantasy... (only with the ocupation).
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas are ARgentinian = reality forever
76 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remind us again why the Falkland Islanders are not a 'people'.
Is it because we are not brown enough? Well you're going to have to act fast to use that excuse. Last time I looked many of the children in school had a fair chunk of Chilean or St Helenian ancestry.
Is it because we are too similar to mainland British? Oh dear me no. Not at all and getting less so by the year.
This is all complete nonsense and you know it. This argument is specifically to stop somewhere like the Isle of Wight declaring independence. It's not to allow the subjugation of an unwilling population by an alien power.
How about the Pitcairn Islanders, or the St Helenians? Would you support them if they wanted to become independent? Or would Britain have the right to say no because they are an 'implanted population'? How about the Chagossians? I'm guessing you agree with Britain that they had no rights?
Turnip.
”The Falklands are British = Archaic.... or a fantasy... (only with the ocupation). The Malvinas are ARgentinian = reality forever”
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0This Argfag statement is so full of faggotry I don't really know where to start. Can someone help? Maybe it's with the statement of reality about the 'malvinas' which don't exist being reality forever, denoting that the guy/lady is delusionally living in some kind of alternative reality where this is the case.
96 nitrojuan
Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find Juan that despite all your childish posts. The Falklands are not Argentine and never will be.
Argentina isn't even a real nation, you have only existed within your current unified national boundaries for just over a century. The Falklands have existed far longer.
Most of your population are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th European migrants. A large percentage of Argentines have British heritage. Many of them don't like your government, or your policies of national, socialism and corporatism. They would prefer Argentina to be a normal democratic state.
You countries claims on our islands are immature. On the same basis Britain would have more right to claim Argentina. We could do a quid pro quo. You take 50% of the Falklands, we'll take 50% of Argentina.
It's time for a reality check my little Argentine nationalist fanatics.
97 Monty69 (and 76 Think)
Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to remember this clown - 76 Think - telling us all how upset he was for the Chagossians. I agree what the British and American's did to these people was outrageous and its a case that is ongoing and will eventually be settled in favour of the Chagossians who will - one day return to their islands.
So why does he say it would be ok in the case of the Falklands, to say the people have no rights as a people? That's what the Chagossians were told by the British government at the behest of the American's who wanted them off the islands.
Fact is Think lives in a morality free world. It's ok to do what ever Argentina can get away with, so long as Argentina gets away with it. Problem with that, Amigo is sooner or later, you're going to find yourself covered in corruption. That's exactly what's happened to Argentina, a few years after 1982, things looked bright but it didn't take long for Argentina to regress again.
76 Think
So long as your incapable of looking at your own problems and dealing with them, rather than finding an external enemy to blame you are going to find your country in a continuous cycle of economic chaos.
It's a shame because the British helped built Argentina, the British helped settle Argentina and the British helped free Argentina. But a country, that should be one of your closest partner has now been turned into your constant enemy. It's sad. Very sad. That Argentines are taught to hate the British, hate the Falklands, call the people who live there pirates and spend half of their lives in a constant state of angst and semi depression contemplating taking the Falkland Islands over by threats, insults, economic terrorism and military posturing.
This is not the actions of a free trade loving, G20 nation. It's the attitude of a dysfunctional nation.
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Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0(101) Clavecinista
Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody should insult you for your opinions. They are quite normal.
But for many of us, the “Malvinas Issue” (and its geopolitical and economical significance for the control of 12.000.000 km2 of territorial waters + the Antarctic) means a little bit more than for you.
My opinion is that the Government is doing the right thing in a national, regional and international perspective.
Saludos
El Think, Chubut, Argentina
PS:
You never answered my previous question………:
”111 Think (108) Clavecinista
Hola…
What harpsichord do you play?
Eons ago, I assisted an Italian luthier in the manufacture of a Ruckers doppia tastiera….
Fascinating sound, I recall………….”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/01/11/argentina-says-no-change-in-mercosur-decision-to-bar-falklands-flagged-vessels
Chanchito Rambo is in town, cool it South America! :-)))))
Feb 26th, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“SOUTH American rhetoric on the Falklands should, ”be cooled, otherwise mistakes might happen,“ US member of the house of Representatives Republican Congressman F. Jim Sensenbrenner told the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly yesterday. Invited to the Falklands by MLAs who visited Washington in 2011”
Mistakes for you, Marcos?
Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cool Bananas, or you may do something that you regret!
(97) Monty96
Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Remind us again why the Falkland Islanders are not a 'people'.”
I say; with pleasure:
”They might not constitute a people, and only a people is entitled to self-determination. They are not a population indigenous to the Islands, but were settled there by Britain after it had arguably expelled an Argentinian population that previously existed there (the facts, of course, are in dispute). They are at any rate not sufficiently distinct from the British metropolitan population to be considered a people. Nor has, for that matter, their status as a people ever been recognized by UN organs, who have consistently called them a ‘population……...........”
www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-falklands-dispute-will-probably-never-go-to-court/
You say further:
“Is it because we are not brown enough? Well you're going to have to act fast to use that excuse. Last time I looked many of the children in school had a fair chunk of Chilean or St Helenian ancestry.”
I say:
We do not have to act at all……………
You are already “acting” magnificently against the “Brownification” of your little Pure Anglo-Saxon Squatter Population…..
According to your OWN LAWS, passed by your OWN LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY, many of those ”Brown Children” as you call them, even if BORN in Malvinas, are NOT Islanders but foreigners.
You “bring in” Saints and Chileans to clean your toilets, wash your dishes, peel your potatoes, change your elderly diapers, serve your drinks and demonstrate on foot on your behalf. (“Real Islanders” only demonstrate inside their 4x4 vehicles)……
If they spawn in the meantime, it’s not your problem……………, it’s theirs!
And you certainly avoided any “Yellowfication” of your Pure Anglo-Saxon Squatter Population by the swift and expedite deportation of those seven Vietnamese asylum seekers a couple of weeks ago.
Very much in tune with the “humanitarian views” of your latest best friend; Republican Congressman F. Jim Sensenbrenner…………..
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Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@107 “Anglos may, without any censorship, insult our mothers and sisters” >> they insult themselves without us interfering
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“describe how they would like to insert bayonets in their wombs” >> think you just slipped that one in for effect, eh chap.
“threaten to destroy Argentina in an Atomic Ragnarok.” >> It would get rid of the last enclave of nazism from humanity.
The rules are rules, and we know Argentinians don't like rules (Security Council Resolution 502, Self-determination, etc) but it clearly says comments should be in ENGLISH.
If you want to type in Spanish, go to one of those sh!t Argfag newspapers.
@107Squatter Think,
Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only obey rules when it suits you, eh Think?
@109 It's just their way, they find out lots of non-binding rules to tell you that you don't really have to do something, and then when they're told they really have to do something, then they just ignore it.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0None of the GA Resolutions you mention are binding, but Security Council Resolution 502 was binding and ignored by Argentina. Why did you ignore this ruling Argentinians?
105 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't answer the question.
As for the rest of your argument, I look forward to the day when the Argentines turn up at the UN arguing percentage points of who came from where in the FI population and what, therefore, constitutes a 'people'. You'll end up looking like nazis and everyone will laugh at you.
The immigration system makes no distinction by skin colour. There are plenty of white babies born here to contractors and they are not Falkland Islanders either. Whether you think the system is fair or not is another issue, but it is not relevant to this.
As an avid PN reader you will know all of this. You will also have seen the steady procession of immigrants from many places appying for FI status and Permanent Residence Permits. I bet it gets right up your nose.
You were pretty clever with your x-ray vision at the 4x4 demonstration. I certainly couldn't see who was in all those vehicles. Do you have some special talent for sniffing out non- white- european people even from a photograph?
Just for the record…………
Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will now repeat postings nr. (106) and (107) in English:
(106)
”Think, my message has been removed by the editor ( I don’t understand why, I try to be polite, I think I will unsubscribe from this site)
I didn´t read your post about the harpsichords :), actually I use a double keybord model with a good sonority but unfortunately is not an accurate copy from the French original.
A Ruckers! I would sell my soul (haha) for one from the XVII century.”
(107)
“Clavecinista, the editor deleted your post because, in here, it is a ”Crime” to use the Spanish language......
Anglos may without any censorship insult our mothers and sisters, describe how they would like to insert bayonets in their wombs, threaten to destroy Argentina in an Atomic Ragnarok, whatever.
But an Argie writing in Spanish……….., that he can not tolerate!
PS:
Many would give away one and half testicle for an original Ruckers :-)”
Compare now the above with the hundreds of British postings by dozens of British posters that, in direct infringement of MercoPress own rules, contain rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behavior and are “tolerated”. ……….
Hypocrisy anybody?
@112 THINK, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHY ARGENTINA TALKS OF NON-BINDING RESOLUTIONS AND YET IGNORED INCREDIBLY BINDING SC RESOLUTION 502? DO YOU NEED SPECTACLES TO READ?
Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(111) Monty69
Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”You didn't answer THE question.”
I say:
I would like to oblige but re-reading your post (97) I can see, at least, eight questions……
Would you please clearly specify which question you would want me to answered?
How about the simple question of why Argentina didn't comply with Security Council Resolution 502, putting it's history of compliance with UN Resolutions into repute?
Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress moderation is indeed racist. How many death threats will Conqueror/Typhoon have to hurl before he's permanently banned I don't know -- perhaps it is not in violation of Mercopress's policies to insult the Latino users in this way, nor is it to advocate the enslavement of their 'inferior' race, as that same user has done before.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then we have such retarded, self-awareness-free bloggers as Anti-Fascist and GreekYoghurt (who are perhaps the same person), accusing others of aggressive nationalism and fascism, at the same time they advocate for the obliteration of our countries (as in #108) impunely, whilst comments of ours noticing the holes in Mercopress's moderation are removed.
114 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked you whether or not you would support the St Helenians or Pitcairn Islanders shoud they wish to seek independence from the UK.
I'm assuming not, since they are not 'native' populations and have therefore been 'implanted' by Britain.
I'd like to hear you say it all the same.
@117 I'd like to hear what the C24 have planned for St Helena and Pitcairn. I wonder which despotic non-democractic mismaneged regime they have lined up to pretend to have once owned it.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This UN C24 is so nauseating that when I read about it it makes me puke into my mouth.
102 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As someone who is usually threating people, intimating violence against a small island people, defending the rape, torture and genocide of the Argentine political left and hate mongering against the British I'd say yes you are defiantly a hypocrite.
National socialists belong to history. You and your fellow nationalists are cretins. Most of you on here are, I am reliably informed, up to your necks in blood.
(117) Monty96
Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhh….. Question number 5!
Pitcairn Islands and Saint Helena…….
If their current population wanted independence from Great Britain, I would support them.
Firstly, because their territory is not being disputed or contested by any established State.
Secondly, because they didn’t expulse any previous population from any other Nation.
But….., with their valuable maritime EEZ of millions of square miles, it would be wise for Pitcairn to “associate” somehow with f ex. New Zealand or French Polynesia and for Saint Helena to “associate” somehow with f ex. Zuid-Afrika or even Brazil….
Britain would, of course, have no say in those two cases.
They can’t be both the accused and the plaintiff.
120 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK. So our lack of self determination has nothing whatsoever to do with our being a 'people' or not. Don't use that argument again. You just disproved it all by yourself.
The only thing that matters therefore appears to be whether Argentina wants the Falklands or not. If you decided you didn't want the Falklands after all, then presumably you would support our independence from the UK. Our human rights therefore exist only in so far as you think we deserve them? And that depends on your aspirations and not ours?
Oh dear. This is a quite dodgy route for you to be going down. Seriously, it might sound like a reasonable justification for a human rights abuse in Argentine world. But actually treating people as sub- human based on nothing but your own prejudices and ambitions has not, historically, been viewed very kindly.
Support Argentina , Falklands belong to them .
Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No; Ms. Monty96….
Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self-Determination rights don’t apply to you because:
You are an “Implanted Population”, forced upon the territory of an already existing Independent Nation after the military expulsion of its previous inhabitants.
I know you are “talking for the audience”, but have some dignity and stop the whining about ”Sub-human treatment.....
You've yet to provide any UN document or letter that specifically states that Human rights can be limited in any way, Under any circumstance.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yes, Self Determination IS a human right.
@67 lsolde
Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And as for Sean Penn, poof, l like him even less now & he's ugly”
Yes he is ugly isn't he, in fact he turns one's stomach he's so repulsive
123 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I might, when you show a bit of dignity and admit that you've just stuffed a big chunk of your own argument.
If your argument is just 'we were there first', then say so. It's much more straightforward than all the other crap.
We can then have the conversation about all the other places that will need to change hands if we're winding the clock back to 1833.
Pick up shovel, adopt the digging position, commence digging and keep digging. well done Sean Penn you imbecile what a load of wank twaddle.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 paragraphs and you haven't mentioned the islanders side of the argument and have gone about Pinochet as if that is somehow relevant....idiot!
Think my deer fellow, I believe the Islanders constitute closer to an indigenous population as opposed to an implanted one, unless the islanders are all aged over 200 years old?
116 Forgetit87 You probably read it in the past but if you didn't please read article @89, you might find some of the answers there.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(126) Monty96
Feb 26th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My argument has always been the same….
It was (and is) our territory……
We were present there, as a young Nation, in 1833.
The mighty British Empire sailed all the way down, expulsed our citizens by force and planted you.
We have been forced to live with it until now……
Until now, when the greed and voracity of Metropolitan Britain and its Squatter Spearheads after our South Atlantic resources is showing through so clearly that Argentina and the whole continent can’t do other than react against it.
Beginning to get the impression that Argentina is beginning to lose interest.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from a misguided, nasty piece of work, actor it seems the more intelligent Argentinians have grasped the reality of the situation and understand that UK's arguments are really rather sound.
Anyway the good news continues - February has been a great month for Rockhopper.
Whats the betting their shares will soar in value again next month?
“the very people who suffered and fought most enduringly against this military Junta in Argentina are the ones who today lead that country, and on behalf of their people seek simply a fair and re-established diplomacy in issues of the disputed Islands ranging from immigration to natural resources.”
Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Sean =)
#2 I really think you must have a repressed crush on Cristina, Conqueror, why else would you keep posting pornographic comments about her?!
#17 “From Penn’s ranting’s :
“UK's unfaltering support of a dictator who had live rats inserted into female genitalia and electric probes placed on the testicles of men in Chile simply because they had elected for a life, identity, and leadership of their own choosing”
Not ranting, fact. Seems Stefan at #21 supports the rat man too.
#63 ”And with great taste in...women :-)”
Yes and keeps getting better, from Madonna to Cristina =)
#78 ad nauseam, to compare Penn to Gibson is absurd, while as a Scot I enjoyed braveheart Gibson is not far from a fascist and a genuine wingnut, not just politically but religiously; Penn is a humanitarian and a leftist, like the radiant Cristina herself.
#116 Yes conqueror has threatened to kill me too on here before, and even fantasized about killing all the Scots.
“ God save the Queen.” Indeed. And God save the beautiful, radiant Queen Cristina. Te amo mi reina =)
SP wrote
Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the very people who suffered and fought most enduringly against this military Junta in Argentina are the ones who today lead that country, and on behalf of their people seek simply a fair and re-established diplomacy in issues of the disputed Islands ranging from immigration to natural resources.”
And then BK wrote
Well said Sean =)
Hang on didn't you say on another thread that they were too young to be involved in overturning the Junta but had friends that had been thrown out of helicopters.
Well I guess that counts but wouldn't you agree that the friends perhaps suffered a little more?
Sorry to tell you all but UK can just claim the principle of 'Uti possidetis', that under international law the falklands are theirs following a conflict. It's how every country in South America pretty much defined their borders, and as such it's quite acceptable.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That means all the historical BS is just a waste of time. It's ours because we won it in a war. End of Story.
131 British_Kirchnerist
Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK's unfaltering support of a dictator who had live rats inserted into female genitalia and electric probes placed on the testicles of men in Chile simply because they had elected for a life, identity, and leadership of their own choosing
Not ranting, fact. Seems Stefan at #21 supports the rat man too”
YOU REALLY ARE DISTURBED
Penn is lying as usual, because only telling part of the truth is LYING, the UK did not give unfaltering support of Pinochet, Chile was giving the British vital early warning of Argentine’s air raids during the Falklands War, without which the British could have lost, if not the war, a lot of men. We didn’t know what he was doing. Of course Pus Penn deals in half-truths, he‘s self-publicist thirsting for adulation that he can only get from the type of fanatical audience found in desperate Argentina, as the pathetic little creep can’t get it home. FACT
And if I'm a ratman, I catch rats, LIKE YOU and you REALLY ARE A RAT arn't you !!!
Regardless of what Mr Penn thinks, the Argentinians chose not to comply with SC Resolution 502 putting them into a state of “refusal of complying with a binding UN Resolution”.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK complies with binding resolutions.
End of Story.
129 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, my mistake. There is more to your argument.
''We were there first but we weren't that fussed until you found some oil.''
I can see that one really wowing the crowds at the UN.
(136) Monty96
Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”I can see that one really wowing the crowds at the UN.”
I say:
Noy as much as your legislators arriving to New York on their private jets, directly from their Provençal Country Estates wearing their bespoked Savile Row suits and whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiining….:
” Pleeeease, pleeeease…. help us ……..those nasty Argentineans want to colonize us…..”
Chuckle chuckle®
*cough* Security Council Resolution 502 *cough*
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” Pleeeease, pleeeease…. help us ……..those nasty Argentineans want to colonize us…..”
So your childhood indoctrination included tit for tat tactics then?
Grow up and keep working on trying to de-brainwash yourself !
This has seen the most effective troll in years.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over the years Sean Penn has done great drama and adequate comedy;
“and .... this year ”the Award for the Troll Of The Year goes to .......... SeanPenn !!!!!“
Hurrah, hurrah, whistle , whistle, shake hand, shake hand, shuffle in emotional embarrassment to the podium .....
” ...... and all my friends in the Great Republic of Argentina, ...... I love all you guys“
Hurrah, hurrah, cheers, cheers
”Hey, waiter! Pass me another bottle of JD and don't jog the table, this powder cost me a shit load of dollars”
...................
Lighten up, guys, it's a fun spoof.
My bad.....
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's “bespoken Savile Row suits” at (137)
Must go to London soon to refresh my bad Ingrish.
And maybe renew some of my garderobe at Henry Poole & Co....
@141 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”My bad.....It's “bespoken Savile Row suits” at (137) Must go to London soon to refresh my bad Ingrish.And maybe renew some of my garderobe at Henry Poole & Co”
Try to focus, think what you're writing, you're hallucinating
I'm fairly certain a garderobe is a toilet.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@112 Think
Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”(106) Think, my message has been removed by the editor ( I don’t understand why, I try to be polite, I think I will unsubscribe from this site ”
Think, you don't why it was removed because being brainwashed affects your judgment on what is acceptable
And you are brainwashed, get help.
I am sorry but I admit I really can't the whole Sean Penn thing seriously.
Feb 26th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I can think about when he opens his mouth about world affairs is “team america” and then I start to laugh.
I keep imagine him talking about chocolate rivers in Iraq or shouting “Qapla!”.
Its a FAG world sean.
I think my fellow Brits should lighten up a bit on this one and just take the p*** out of him like I have. By giving him the amount of genuine attention and ire that we have we are giving someone with no real credence more importance than they are actually worth.
Ultimately he's a nobody in the grand scheme of things.
“Osborne: UK has run out of money”
Feb 27th, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ “The British Government has run out of money because all the money was spent in the good years,” the Chancellor said.”
No mention of the millions wasted over Williams school trip nor those soldiers counting penguin 8000 miles away from their homes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9107485/Osborne-UK-has-run-out-of-money.html#disqus_thread
146 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 27th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0No your country is completely broke and has one of the worlds highest inflation rates -
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1001d.asp
I think you should travel to Britain Alejandro, the Olympics are on, there's going to be bank holidays throughout the Commonwealth to celebrate the Queen's Diamond Jubilee. All the lights are, the stores are full, the roads are busy. The night life is cool.
But Alejandro it's not like Argentina, people don't cry in the streets at the thought of the Malvinas, or riot over claiming medals for wars they never served in. THe Prime Minister doesn't gather in from of Falkland veterans and whip them up in to a nationalist frenzy of hate aimed at occupying neighboring states.
The Foreign Secretary doesn't spend his entire time in office badgering the EU to support sanctions against Iceland because we claim it (we don't , it's just an analogy - I realise nationalists being very simple people don;'t get it). Every member of government does spend their time whining over “Iceland”.
But in your homeland Alejandro, it's like “who cares about the economy... it is the Malvinas, stupido!”
I feel sorry for the ordinary Argentines, who've figured it all out. They have to take all that crap. They are the ones who really care about their country. The ones who don't wear their hearts on their sleeves, try to make a living and don't turn into quivering wreaks thinking about a war of aggression, waged under a fascist military junta, against a small neighboring territory, in which they believed there would be no come back. How wrong they were.
And how wrong you nationalists are.
The real Argentines are the ones who care about their future, their economy, their jobs, their families, how their country is governed, not obsessing about a Malvinas that doesn't even exist apart from in the dreams of nationalist script writers of Argentina's constitution.
It's time for a reality check nationalists. Pride comes before a fall.
Sean Pean is a certified babboon, i am never going to watch one of his movies again. To poke his nose into British affairs and speak publicly against us is unforgivable. Sean Penn, you suck! And from your record, you're hardly one to preach to use about morals. Take care of your own affairs you miserable little man, and stay out of ours.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@British_Kirchnerist - please change your name to British Traitor. Thanks.
@All the loyal patriotic Britain supporters - some good points, some funny ones too. Well put, glad to see people like you here. Hopefully the world will eventually realise this whole thing is a massive joke, and argentina will crawl back to the hole whence they came.
Let us not forget that the UK and the USA at one stage supported vile dictators in Latin America - all in the name of keeping the Reds away.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mrs Thatcher was a great friend of Augusto Pinochet whose forces acted like thugs. Admittedly he brought good government to Chile and helped to alleviate extreme poverty. He had permission to act from the USA - Make the economy (of Chile) scream
Argentina's junta was probably worse with 30 thousand desaparecidos. Each provincial town had its INTERVENTOR MILITAR whose duty it was to see that the local authorities toed the line or carried out their policy.
@Ozgood.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome to the world of realpolitik.
@ Marcos Alejandro: yawnnn......................old news. We've already had that announcement before.
We know that the New Labour idiots wasted the cash in the good years, and now the Conservatives are cutting gthe forces back beyond repair so they can keep “feel good” programs like the bloates foreign aid program and bailouts for place like Eire.
We stoll have an economy around 6 times the size of yours.
What has your country done recently to bail somebody out? enlighten us.
Besides, it's widely known that your govt is lying about the amount of infaltion in your economy. That is'nt good. Sooner or later you will have real economic problems of your own.
@129 Think,
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your whole post was a tissue of lies.
1)Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands, so ANY Argentines on here in 1833 were illegal trespassers.
2)Only the Argentine Garrison was evicted in 1833 & rightly so.
The Civilians stayed (with a few exceptions)& their blood runs through the veins of the present Falklanders, diluted with later British & other arrivals.
Even if the Civilians were ejected(they were not, see above), so what?
They were trespassing on British land.
You know all this dear Think, but still persist with this fallacy:-
Ergo, you are a liar.
React against it, of course we react against it.
Not only are you a liar, Think(& not a very good one either)but you are also a hypocrite.
Your country did the very thing that you accuse us of, to whit:-
Your compatriots murdered the native inhabitants , then to add insult to injury, you stole their land.
You, yourself live on stolen land in Patagonia.
So you are also a receiver of stolen goods, another crime.
Your gall is breathtaking,
a liar,
a squatter,
a receiver of stolen goods,
yet you try to turn all this around with us in a land that rightfully belongs to us(the Falklanders, not the UK),when we only occupy what is ours & didnot kill anyone to do so.
l'm through with you, king turnip, l despise you.
@151 you're wasting your time trying to tell them the 'objective version' of history. All they know is what they were taught in school, which is that in 1833 their revisionist history textbooks say they had the islands stolen. That's all they know, that's all they want to know, their minds are closed.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the real world, the Argentinians have nothing to negotiate with, so nothing to bring to the negotiation table. End of story.
Isolde, you know Think and what he is doing on this site.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Greek, Think is not an indoctrinated fool. He is not stupid, not uneducated, but he does enjoy messing with poster's minds and loves throwing in abstruse arguments 'from left field'. He does not limit his argument by truths - either the Argentinian or the UK versions.
In some senses, Think and I are similar, but in important perspectives we differ greatly.
But don't let him 'get to you' - he can be quite good at eliciting this response.
Well done you guys, give them no rational corner to hide in and leave them exposed on irrational ground.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders and British Government are winning the argument, not just at the UN but also within Argentina itself. Intelligent Argentinians who detest fascism and what it did to their fellow Countrymen are asking themselves why are we trying to destroy a culturally different community who have lived peacefully for over 170 years on a group of Islands in the South Atlantic Ocean.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the day the Falkland Islands were, are and always will be British territory, unless of course the Islanders desire something else.
Supercilious Hispanic pricks provide some entertainment but they are lickspittle.
@153 I understand he's playing the role of avvocato del diavolo, and it raises quite a few interesting points which the Argentinians seem to not be able to answer.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In order, these are a) how do you see a negotiation with the UK working? b) what are the argentinians bringing to the negotiation table? c) why are they unable to follow binding UN resolutions and put emphasis on countries following unbinding resolutions? d) what were the names of the people who were removed from the colony in 1933? e) under which principal under international law are the Argentinians claiming the islands?
They are simply unable to answer any of these questions. I keep asking them, but they cannot answer any of them. They just rattle on about the C24, the members of which you wouldn't leave to look after a stray cat.
151 lsolde
Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
From an outsiders perspective, Argentina has no claim on the Falklands. Indeed they are a threat to the Falklands and the Falkland Islanders, not just threatening militarily but economically too. Their entire government apparatus devoted to claiming the islands, while neglecting their economy which is sinking further into the mire.
Every time I post, I seem to have an Argentine poster reminding me of 1776. Personally I get an uneasy feeling in my stomach whenever I here people quote historical dates as an appeal to emotive feelings; what ever the date is 1776 or 1833, they are irrelevant to 2012.
Argentina is in a terrible economic mess and like a lot of people I don't rate a government obsessed with claiming neighboring territory against the will of the people who live there.
CFK appears to be out of her depth, controlled by the vested interests and on a roller coaster ride into the abyss, while the people of Argentina are thinking about the Malvinas, their eyes are off the real ball, the mess their government is doing to their nation.
They do say, that only people with no future will dwell on the past,
Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Picking historical dates is a way of elevating the fact, that they have no future,
And just trying to upset the apple cart,
That’s why they keep throwing the past up, yet at the same time denying there own,
But this is all totally irrelevant to today’s problems that they face,
If they dealt with there own problems, and left the islanders alone, all this would just fade away,
But as long as she can distract her own people from the truth, by pointing the islands at them, she will carry on,
Sooner or later, the real argentine people will realise that the Falklands are not hers, never was, and never will be, then perhaps they will move on, and her loyal bloggers can pick on something else,
[Another south American country perhaps .]and leave the peaceful islanders alone .
.
@153 GeoffWard2
Feb 27th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Think is not an indoctrinated fool. He is not stupid,”
He just wants to appear stupid, so people don’t know just how infantile he is.
“but he does enjoy messing with poster's minds and loves throwing in abstruse arguments 'from left field'”.
I know the type; it's to compensate for inadequacies
“he can be quite good at eliciting a response”
He gets enjoyment out of thinking he's got people running around looking up facts for him to use,
In other words he’s a worthless bum
(151)
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing compares to the wrath of a disaffected woman………….. :-)
so the love affair is over ? :-)
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(161) Mr. Menendez
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems so.......
Finally I got rid of her :-)
Ps:
Was it a Leupold 10x40 LR ?
Ah think.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I amended your post 29 to correct omissions:
My argument has always been the same….
It was (and is) your territory……
We were present there, as a young Nation, in 1833 having tried to steal the islands by stealth.
The mighty British Empire sailed all the way down, expelled our illegal garrison and hauled down the flag that we had no right to raise over British territory. Most of our people decided to stay in the islands and became British subjects, loyal to the King and the Union Flag.
Until now, when the greed and voracity of Metropolitan Argentian and its irredentist, imperialist Spearheads after your South Atlantic resources is showing through so clearly that Argentina is an aggressor that is prepared to make an utter embarrasment of itself on the world stage by lying unconvincingly in the UN.
@162
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leupold MK 4 16x 40 m M1 Mil Dot (the one that comes with the McMillan) .... the shooter makes the hardware not the way around it :-)
@160 Think
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lsolde don't bite, Mr inadequate has been working all day on a bitchy reply
@162 Think
Been dreaming again have we Think, as if anyone would have you.
(164) Mr Menendez
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 016x40!
How do you expect to hit any moving target with a 16X40?
wrong scope?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not trying to beat the record .... is it 1.6 miles by a Canadian sniper? Shit! I don't know. I'm having a hell of a time finding a fire range to allow me to shoot the stupid thing :-))))
(167) Catete Menendez
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call me a traditionalist, but if that bloody prairedog takes one big sidestep it will be out of your wiewrange...... even a mile away.
As I said previously in my post (61)…..:
If I knew anything about weapons (what I don’t :-) I would choose a DSR-50 / Hensoldt ZF 3-12x56 SSG-P combo.
I like the color…………..;-)
Sean Penn - Team America!
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's the clip Ben - “I've been to Iraq”...
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Team America - Sean Penn Shoot Out Scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B3T9hv7UmU
168 Think
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's alleged that you know a lot about weapons but you can only use them on unarmed civilians in the presence of plenty of goons to ensure they don't fight back.
The Monroe Doctrines (December 1823) -President James Monroe’s 1823 annual message to Congress contained the Monroe Doctrine, which warned European powers not to interfere in the affairs of the Western Hemisphere. Very briefly it means that America is for the Americans and no foreign interference will be tolerated in the affairs of the Americas
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are geographically a part of South America. What I cannot understand is why the USA did not use its influence in this conflict. After all it did to warn the French to get out of Mexico (1865) and finally in 1962 it was invoked, albeit symbolically, by President Kennedy to get the Russians out of Cuba
Source: Milestone Documents [Washington, DC: The National Archives and Records Administration, 1995] pp. 26–29.)
@172 Ozgood,
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the Americans are frightened of us?
“The Falklands are geographically a part of South America. What I cannot understand is why the USA did not use its influence in this conflict. ” Ozgood #172
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you check the statements enumerated in the OAS minutes of that year 1982, you will find that the USA DID use its influence in the conflict, but not on the side of the invading 'American' aggressors.
Some things override the Doctrine of 1823:
and one of these is naked, aggressive invasion by a nation of the Americas,
another is the recognition of the responsibility of a protector to protect a Protectorate,
another concerns the mutuality of the many international agreements to defend nations' integrity in the face of invasions.
@172 Ozgood
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The Monroe Doctrines (December 1823) -President James Monroe’s 1823 annual message to Congress contained the Monroe Doctrine, which warned European powers not to interfere in the affairs of the Western Hemisphere. Very briefly it means that America is for the Americans and no foreign interference will be tolerated in the affairs of the Americas”
More proof the Argentinians live in the past, listen to yourself 1823
189 years ago, That arrogant doctrine ignored that European powers had already interfered in the Americas and before they conducted wars all around the globe
@175 I think we're all forgetting the American principle of 'Manifest Destiny' whereby the whole of the Americas will be a part of or under the control of the USA.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's also quite old... maybe 200 years. I'm sure the Argentines can drag that one up too.
1850 Treaty of Friendship anyone?
@168
Feb 28th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fanfa anyone? :-)
I did not receive any formal training in “ snipping” but being a member of the ” shooting team of the CMN for 4 years, I believe I can hit a target or two, open sight no fancy scopes ;-)
The same system (McMillan) , rifle and scope is the one that the Canadian sniper shot a 1.6 mile target in Afghanistan ... if I'm not mistaken
I don't know anything about weaponry, the only weapon I know is the pen. It's quite effective at writing persuasive prose methinks.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(177)
Feb 29th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I'm fanfa!
I'm Argentinean.
:-)
Feb 29th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pregunta pa' usted Don Think, no hay un foro en donde argentinos hablemos con argentinos? Just a friendly question
If you know the answer, just send me the link?
(180) Mr. Menendez
Feb 29th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely thousands……
But I don´t know or use any……
I just got, somehow, “hooked” on this one………
Some interesting characters in here, in-between all the “Turnips”…...
Besides, the owner is a quite simpatico, intelligent and well-bred Uruguayan. (And he likes dogs and horses :-)
Hooked on this shit? I'm tired of it .... used to be nice but lately got out of hand.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(182)
Feb 29th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I ”Think” MercoPress's news section is a handy Omnium-Gatherum.
And its comment section can produce some unexpected results.
Like me, for example, dialoguing with a Menendez! ;-)
Don't judge the book by it's cover Don Think :-)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viva la Patria !!
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Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No formal training in snipping? - Actually not needed, best to learn on the job.
There are many Argentinians on here in urgent need of a comprehensive “Snip”.
One supercilious tosser in particular might be technically too old but snip him anyway. And don't bother with the anesthetic, just snip the bastard.
Good luck, treat this as you would any other mission but don't return empty handed....so to speak.
For those of you who keep calling Penn a prat, maybe thats not such a bad word in the southern cone of South America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Prats
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@185
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops !!
It goes with one “P” then ? :-))
(186) British_Kirchnerist
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or this other Pratt……......
A friend of a friend (HG Oesterheld QEPD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Pratt
Looking at on of his Abyssinian penciled aquarelles right now….…….
Prat is old English for backside or arse
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_word_prat_mean
187
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure you're Argentinian?
With your agreeable disposition and sense of humour, you could almost be ....well... British.
@190
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be, Let the chariot ..... what is it? :-)
60% of Argentinians think the way I think, what CFK is doing to the country is criminal but oh well ..... Even the longest night comes to an end.
191
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you mean the rugby song “Swing low, sweet Chariot, coming for to carry me home”. Apparently its an African slave song.
CFK is a rather immature leader who will, sooner of later, lead Argentina into another War with Britain. An Argentinian policy of engagement and cooperation with the Islanders was and is the only way forward.
#188 Brilliant Think, I see in the article he was also related to the great British horror actor Boris Karloff, whose real life surname was also Pratt =)
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#192 Cristina is not immature, she just looks like a 20something =)
@193 British_Kirchnerist
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cristina is not immature, she just looks like a 20 something”
They can do wonders with photoshop these days.
@193 British_Kirchnerist,
Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know what you are saying, mon?
More like 20+20+20.
But they say love is blind.
Hope it works for you.
Bon Chance♥
CFK has some nasty friends: Chavez and Iran but I doubt whether she would be so stuppid as to attack the Falklans, which are a geographical part of South America.
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