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Argentine all-party lawmakers group ratify Malvinas sovereignty claim in Ushuaia

Sunday, February 26th 2012 - 07:45 UTC
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Argentine lawmakers from the entire political arch stamped on Saturday their support to the so called “Ushuaia declaration” claiming sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands and calling for dialogue with the UK to overcome the ongoing dispute. Read full article

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  • Xect

    Yawn! More unsubstantiated and baseless nonsense.

    http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/the-uk-answer-to-argentina-on-the-falklands/

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    '(to) defend its territorial union with the ( Falkland Islands)'

    A 'union' implies consent... without consent it is rape.

    Thieving dagoes....

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Wow - riveting stuff

    yawn

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    ...can .. barely... keep ... my ... eyes... open... just ... too.. dull... for... words *snore*

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • etherea1

    No negotiations on sovereignty unless the Falkland Islanders wish for it.

    Next!

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    “The ceremony was also attended by Tierra del Fuego governor Fabiana Rios who promoted the idea and hosted the event in Ushuaia”.

    Is this the pratt who is issuing a 'medal' to all the veterans who went to the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) as distinct to those who stayed back 'in support' for LOSING the war?

    Just like the CFK diatribe: more delusional pillocks spouting crap.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @6 Only in Argentina is the truth so bent that you can get a medal for winning a war you epically lost. The amount of truth-bending going on there is extreme.

    “calls on the UK to accept UN Resolution 2065 which calls for a bilateral dialogue between both countries on the issue.”... maybe they should have accepted Security Council Resolution 502 which told them get out of the falklands, which they ignored.

    These fooks wouldn't know an objective fact if it ran up to them and slapped them silly.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    There used to be a bronze bust of Vito Dumas just next to where they are standing.... until someone stole it.... they lie...they steal stuff.... its just the way they are.....

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • STRATEGICUS

    Only the Argentinians could call a meeting to demand negotiations about the sovereignty of the Falklands which directly contradicts their own constitution which says sovereignty is 'non negotiable'.

    A case for Monty Python or Basil Fawlty to try to make sense of.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Is that it? Grow a spine Argies.

    From the events of the week then one would think the gvt has more important things to spend money on than flying its law makers south to do nothing.

    Why do you Argies put up with such pathetic governence?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @9 I hadn't thought about that. I guess the UK can just reject negotiations with the Argentinians on that basis then. End of story.

    Is there entire legislature 15 people sans KFC who didn't see it as important enough to actually attend, given that she whipped it up into a frenzy of nationalism? Like seriously?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    Many commuters are furious that the government appeared to ignore repeated warnings about train issues [AFP]
    Faulty brakes caused the train accident in Buenos Aires that killed 51 people on Wednesday, an engineer operating the locomotive has said, according to an Argentine judicial source.

    Marco Cordoba, who is being investigated by police but is free after being treated, said on Saturday he had repeatedly warned the brakes were defective.

    He told police he reported brake problems to his supervisors but that he was ordered to continue the trip that ended in the third worst rail accident in Argentine history.

    Cordoba was free after authorities determined he represented “no flight risk and there is no possibility he might hinder the investigation”, the judicial source said.

    At least 703 people were injured when the commuter train, carrying about 2,000 people, crashed into a bumper at Buenos Aires' Terminal 11.

    Argentines who lost relatives in the crash and many commuters were furious that the government appeared to ignore repeated warnings about problems with the country's trains.

    Relatives of the 51st victim, whose body was recovered on Saturday though initially it did not appear on any lists of the dead or injured, kept vigil at the train station and threw objects at passing buses and taxis.

    An Argentine association that represents government employees accused the government on Friday of letting passenger rail infrastructure fall into disrepair.

    'Deficient preservation'

    A statement from the group said the government ignored an audit “that showed the deficient and criminal state of preservation” of the Sarmiento rail line, where the accident occurred.

    Corodoba, 28, was among the injured who had to be cut out of the locomotive cab by firefighters. He was hospitalised for cuts on his face and other injuries, but was out of danger.

    The judicial source said Cordoba told investigators: ”At each station he advised the dispatcher by radio that he had problems wit

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viva Las Falklands

    Another logical move ny the Argies. Not.
    Make a declaration that they have sovereignty then say the UK negotiate. Looks like they have come to a conclusion without the negotiations.
    Another worthless declaration. Hot air must be how they create electricity in Argieland because they certainly produce enough to power the World.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The operators deny the brakes were faulty: but they would, wouldn't they?

    The system they use is at least 40 years old and relies on pneumatic tyres in contact with the rail instead of steel. It is said to give a good ride when compared to conventional systems, but it does suffer punctures and explosive blowouts due to low pressure running. Tyre problems must be translated to braking problems in practice.

    After all, as long as the driver is not ill at the controls, he is not going to deliberately run the thing into the hydraulic buffers.

    None of the parties have mentioned the effect of overcrowding on the stopping distance. However, as overcrowding is endemic, I suppose the drivers make allowance for it. The brakes will wear much faster as a result of the overcrowding, but if properly maintained it is not an issue.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mebyon Kernow

    @9 & 11
    Err .. my brain hurts.
    So the act of demanding negotiations over something which is non-negotiable is unconstitutional.
    On to something which I hope the more rational people on here might be able to answer.
    Has the ICJ or the UN ever ruled in a sovereignity issue where they have changed the sovereignity of a region/country and not consulted the people who live in that region/country? If they have, where and what was the outcome?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nerosaxo

    Seem to remember a little Austria guy who use to hold big rallies at place called Nuremberg and make outlandish claims. Didn't he commit suicide when he failed to achieve his ambition?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Poor childish foreigners. It must be something to do with being “Latin”. Actually, why are they so “proud” of being “Latin”. Surely it helps define their proper place in the world? They were defeated and conquered by people who spoke Latin, i.e. the Romans. In one word they proclaim this to the world. “We were defeated. We were conquered. We were subservient. We were slaves.” Of course, this is not their only claim to fame. Spain was the place of birth of the infamous Saint Dominic who founded the Dominican Order, the “Hounds of the Lord”, transforming itself into the Spanish Inquisition. Happily exported to South America in order to torture and burn the natives. What a wonderful heritage! Is this part of the “Latin” American psyche? They think they are “the Chosen” and everyone else has to be tortured, burned and killed until they see “the truth”.

    Elsewhere on the same day: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106519/Falklands-task-force-plan-ready-Argentina-threatens-invade-again.html

    Seven warships, all with a far greater capability than those that went “down south” in '82. Troops by air. Eight C-17ERs. And then the RAF's Voyagers coming into service. The C-17s can carry the Challenger 2 MBT. And then the extra Typhoons. There's another 82 available right NOW!

    As Tin Man found when he wasted his breath at the UN, the argfags don't have the support they think they have. So there will be NO negotiations unless and until the Falklanders wish it. Dream on, argie girlies!

    @15 ICJ cases are a matter of public record. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106519/Falklands-task-force-plan-ready-Argentina-threatens-invade-again.html

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I personally find Argfags tiresome to talk to, so I typically choose not to. However, we've discussed the nature of a northkorean-argentinian negotiation a few times now, and typically the outcome is that they make themselves legally unable to negotiate, create a series of ludicrous demands that the negotiation couldn't meet anyways, and then they go around the world demanding negotiations. It appears to defy any kind of logic known to humanity.

    I guess underlying this, like in North Korea, it's quite likely that Spain and Argentina are just holding out for food shipments because their people are starving and eating shoe-soup.

    As for the lack of investment in the railways, it's been known for years that the politicians in Argentina are only interested in lining their own pockets with lucrative purchases of land, and so expecting them to care about people dying on trains is a bit much. Where has KFC gone anyways? She's done a disappearing act.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @18 GreekYoghurt
    “I personally find Argfags tiresome to talk to”

    Persosnally? they SO tiresome they have to find others to tire because they are tired of being tired out by each other.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @19 although tiresome they might be, they're not so tired when it comes to doing property deals when in office, disappearing rather than explain to the nation why their trains are sh!te, or praying to Hitler to let them resurrect Nestor.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    LOL at the family photograph. They look like a bunch of lost tourists.

    CFKC is missing. Anyone remember “the President's brain is missing”?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    The word which sums this whole up is “symbolic”. Pan y circo, nada mas...

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @21 I did think they were a bunch of hikers for a while.

    Does anyone know where KFC is? Is she with Future President Fat-Nesto & Lady-gaga?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mrlayback

    Law makers motivation: 100% pay increase equals: 100% behind CFK.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Considering how obses.. passionate Argentina is about 'Las Malvinas' you'd think they might want to discuss the British Govs. official response to the UN Secretary General to Argentina's demands to negotiate (link on the first post)... You know, to see and discuss what the enemy is saying and all that.. Will this official letter be published or discussed in the Argentine media? Of course not. Because balanced reporting/rationality has nothing to do with their obsession. If they have nothing to fear they would publish it and counter the arguments. They have something to fear and so they don't. Its that simple.

    And Argentina thinks it has democracy...

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jayD

    Argentina is governed on the three core principles of fascism - nationalist, socialism and corporatism, with a unifying external enemy conjured up to deflect attention from failing domestic policies and spiraling hyper inflation.

    Australians will always back Britain. So Argentina should be warned. You are not just threating Britain, you are threatening British sovereignty recognised by the UN, the Commonwealth, NATO and the European Union.

    If you like being raped by your own government, enjoy. But the people of the Falklands don't want anything to do with you Nazi's.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @25 Tobers

    They will respond with more rhetoric and probably more vehermance, there will be no reference to the substance of the letter.

    Anything that can be proved/disproved is completely avoided.

    The CFK gov prefers to talk in terms of deep emotional callings and natural law, historical wrongs, vague poetic things, anything but hard facts.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMERICASIONAL

    Taste your own medicine, how you feeling England?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • polacandino

    I am shocked that the Argentine constitution would put the Malvinas under Tierra del Fuego jurisdiction. This is not right. The Malvinas should be organized as a semi-autonomous province, something like, shall we say, a dependent territory. In that way, once sovereignty has been transferred to Argentina, the resident citizens can retain all the previous rights and privileges they currently enjoy as citizens (is it more proper to say subjects?) of the United Kingdom. just as Canada does not require Les Quebecois to speak English at home, neither should Argentina require Kelpers to be polished practitioners of Castellano. Most importantly, retention of UK passports for Kelpers is a must. Ask any Argentine with an Italian passport how convenient it is to travel outside of South America without the inconveniences of discriminatory policies exacted by many English-speaking countries.

    Before any progress can be made or negotiations even begun, we must get over the awful chasm of racism. when I read comments posted to these articles, the racist name-calling is glaringly pervasive . It almost makes sense for the UK to refuse to negotiate sovereignty when one considers that they would be negotiating with Argifags, Dagoes and Nazis. Crudely sexual ad hominem attacks on Argentines or any who would support the Argentine position underlines the intransigent and visceral nature of British racism.

    Argentines who push for a transfer of sovereignty now are putting the cart before the horse. Before anything reasonable can be accomplished, we must purge ourselves of mutual hatred and suspicion. There is no way to negotiate with people who do not view you as an equal.

    PS to all those racists who are offended by my comments: I, too, am a racist. I was born into it and educated to be racist by my parents. Overcoming racism is a lifetime struggle. Kelpers, your situation makes that struggle all the more difficult and all the more compelling.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (29) Polacandino

    I have always enjoyed your comments……Now I understand why…..
    It has, for decades, been my conviction that we are all racists.
    The difference lies in how good we fight it.....

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @28 AMERICASIONAL

    Read the letter, it says it all.

    @29 polacandino

    Its citizen of the UK, subject of the Queen.

    “intransigent and visceral nature of British racism” - How is this different from any other racism?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “Before any progress can be made or negotiations even begun”

    There are no negotiations that are going to happen.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    If something has NEVER belonged to you and has clearly belonged to someone else....Who still want it........then you are wasting your time. FULL STOP.

    Jorge Lanata for President.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • polacandino

    @31

    Thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure that citizen and subject would be compatible terms.

    As for the differences between various types of racism, I suppose there are none. Racism by nature is visceral and intransigent. Once you realize you have such an ugly thing living inside of you, poisoning your relationships with your neighbors, a reasonable person would want to do something to get rid of such a cancer, don't you think?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am not sure about racism but I think we are all inherently prejudice. It may be benign and something we resist but it lurks.

    I remember reading somewhere that the comic Jo Brand - a more anti-racist woman it would be hard to find - had to confront her own benign prejudice when walking back to her car after a gig. She saw a black guy running towards her and her first thought was that she was about to be mugged. When the guy reached her he said, “I just wanted to tell you I loved the show tonight, Jo” and went on his way.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    34 polacandino

    I don't think you can class what most Falkland Islanders feel towards most Argentines as racism. We hate what you do, not what you are. Stop doing it and we'll stop hating you.
    Apart from the people who remember what you actually did to us in the conflict; they'll always hate you. You'll just have to wait for them to die.

    Get this clear in your mind; you want to rob us of our freedom and our country. You can dress it up any way you like, but that is how we see it and we will never agree to it. If it makes you feel better to call it 'racism' then fill your boots. What it actually is is unacceptable and practically unachievable.
    You are expecting us to agree to something that is totally unreasonable and the calling us 'racists' when we don't. Unbelievable.

    As for 'poisoning your relationships with your neighbors,', are you for real? we had excellent relationships with our neighbours until you waded in and ruined it.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornishair

    i find it funny that the argentinean gov always goes on about there world support? what world support, what UN support. God they lie alot!

    im really getting pissed off with there lack of logic :/

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    The title says “Argentine all-party lawmakers group ratify Malvinas sovereignty”
    Whay about political activity over the islands?
    There is no party-political activity on the islands, only one voice, such a difference cannot be allowed to exist.
    Even your closest ally calls you a De Facto administration.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @ 29 polacandino
    “when I read comments posted to these articles, the racist name-calling is glaringly pervasive . It almost makes sense for the UK to refuse to negotiate sovereignty when one considers that they would be negotiating with Argifags, Dagoes and Nazis”

    Yes there are comments thrown around on these threads that may seem racist to the casual observer, but what you have to understand is, when dealing ONLY with the persistent brainwashed cranks in a society (I don’t remember a single rational Argentinian posting here)it gives a very poor reflection on Argentinians

    “PS to all those racists who are offended by my comments: I, too, am a racist. I was born into it and educated to be racist by my parents. Overcoming racism is a lifetime struggle. Kelpers, your situation makes that struggle all the more difficult and all the more compelling.”

    Now to you,
    You write about overcoming racism is a lifetime struggle, but the fact you can’t accept the Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina is racist, because you only think of sovereignty not the people and call them Kelpers is also racist.
    It's good you recognise the cancer within, but you still have got work to do on your problem.

    @28 AMERICASIONAL
    “Taste your own medicine, how you feeling England?”

    It’s sign of insanity to just throw in unqualified comments

    But the article does shows how desperate Argentina is, because any sign of Falkland self-determination, defeats their own bigoted argument , so that’s why they are getting other nations to bar Falkland flagged vessels from their ports.


    @30 Think –
    “(29) Polacandino I have always enjoyed your comments……Now I understand why…..It has, for decades, been my conviction that we are all racists. The difference lies in how good we fight it....”

    Think, if you’re brainwashed from birth as you obvious are, of course you going to enjoy someone reinforcing your own prejudices

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @37 The government of Argentina is egocentric. If they believe it, or say it out loud, they think it must be true.

    Where, where, where, where, where, where's CFKC? The capital of her country just suffered a terrible tragedy, so, where is she?

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    i find it funny that the argentinean gov always goes on about there world support? what world support, what UN support. God they lie alot!

    im really getting pissed off with there lack of logic :/
    Do you read the newspaper,cornish? 10 UN res,30 C24,OAS ,Mercosur,etc......Unfortunately for you decadents brits,Argentina is whining the battle......No question about that...Now what are you going to say: Oh is a military dictator??/Is all garbage and the brits can not grow up to the idea that the empire is FINISHED!!!
    MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    I think you are confused Mal, there is no battle to be had.

    Anytime the UK wants to it can simply withdraw from any process or veto any UN resolution which there won't be.

    Not to mention over the past 2 months the Argentine government has done a great job of discrediting itself, the UN militarization speech however was the funniest of them all and was so terrible and joke like the UN's top brass couldn't even be bothered to write a response to it.

    As for the UN resolution, I presume you are referring to the last non-binding resolution in 1988 that the UK has no obligation to enter into? You do understand binding and non-binding right? Not that a binding resolution could be created with the UK having the power of veto.

    You are living in fantasy land if you think you are winning any pretend battle.

    And if that wasn't enough the worst is yet to follow 'the empire is finished', Dude reality check the Empire was finished about 100 years ago! The Falklands have nothing to do with the empire, they are a self governing territory that the UK doesn't take anything from.

    And just to add the final nail in Argentina's coffin your economy is busy imploding and failing once more for the millionth time. Once inflation is over 15% essentially the economy is finished and at 25% its time to prepare for either hyper inflation or a economic collapse if measures are put in to stop the inflation.

    Even the IMF is demanding Argentina stops lying about the state of its economy.

    I'm embarrassed for you.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Is all garbage and the argies can not grow up to the idea that Argentina is FINISHED!!!
    long live the british falklands .!

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Argentina didn't comply with Security Council Resolution 502, the UN sees you as delinquent.

    In a worst case scenario, the UK has the principal of Uti possidetis as we won the islands in a war. We can just claim that and it's 100% legal.

    End of story.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @41 Malvinero1
    “Argentina is whining the battle.”

    Argentina certainly is whining the battle. You do nothing else but whine!
    Whereas the UK is wining to the battle

    BRITISH FALKLANDS

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    So this lot repeated and reaffirmed that the Islands are Argentine as enshrined in their Constuitution by law and thus can be only one legal result- Argentine Sovereignty - is that more or less what Impresciptible means?

    Asuming the above - how do these thickos and Queen Thicko - balance this with claiming that they want to sit down and discuss sovereignty with UK?

    Their Constitution makes it Legally Clear - the ONLY result of any discussions would be Argentine Sovereignty.

    Noe even the dumbest of Dumb Thickos can tell you - that is NOT an Internationally acceptable negotiating position!

    So- well done and a big “Thankyou Argentina” - you are making 100% Impossible any future International talks on the future options of the Islands - and you make ours and UK,s position so easy to defend - here, at the UN - anywhere!!
    As Redcoat says - do please keep on whining- because we are Winning!

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @46 Islander1
    It's fatal for me to be laughing when I post, I make sloppy mistakes.
    Thanks for the correction, I'll try harder.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    I've got to say folks, I've got a soft sport for Argentina and its crazy government led by the head loony that is CFK.

    I've got to say I've watched the UN video several times and each time I think it gets even funnier!

    Secret radar - Oh you mean the one used for monitoring the weather by the University of Leicester!

    HMS Vanguard in Argentine waters - With a picture from the intelligence services of Argentina, shame it wasn't a picture of the submarine in question and actually the picture was obtained from a popular newspaper and was taken in Scotland and just when it can't get any worse the submarine allegedly lurking in Argentine waters was actually undergoing maintenance in Scotland.

    Long range Typhoon missiles that can strike most of SA - They could indeed do this although one minor point was missed and that is the UK doesn't actually own any of these missiles....

    Genius!

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @48 It did make me laugh. You've got to commend them for getting it all wrong.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @34 polacandino

    I do believe we all have prejudices built in at an early age, as part of the inner demons we all carry. It is how you deal with this that is the measure of you, for sure.

    For me education is the best answer, in my experience the most bigoted people are the ones who have never left their street, and have no experience of the world, or even of what they claim to hate.

    I agree there is scope for an improvement in relations between South Atlantic neighbours, Argentina admitting that the British are neighbours and not usurpers would be a start. However to negotiate you must have something to negotiate with, exactly what does Argentina have to offer?

    The issues here are the truth about the history past, and the rights of people in the present.

    The Islanders are not racist for wanting to survive the threat from Argentina. And Argentina is threatening them.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    Is Timmermans speech to the UN available on youtube or anywhere else as I would like to see it again - can anyone post a link to it? Thanks

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @50 Pugol-H
    If you are Argentinian you are the best yet,

    “The issues here are the truth about the history past, and the rights of people in the present.”

    Please explain what you mean by above excerpt

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoJo

    it's really sweet to read how loyal these 'lawmakers' are. And as others have pointed out, it provides endless entertainment.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @53 JoJo “it provides endless entertainment.”

    That's why we do it, because you read it .

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    I think you are confused Mal, there is no battle to be had.

    Anytime the UK wants to it can simply withdraw from any process or veto any UN resolution which there won't be.

    Sure,it time to kick the brits out...It is no point to be there as a “judge”,isn't....Any decent court of law,in which the defender is in a jury...totally inmoral......Time to kick the unjust system once and for all...

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • polacandino

    @50 Pugol-H

    I'm almost there with you on what you say about improving relations, but resolving the primary objective of negotiations as a preconditions is, like the Argentines are inclined, putting the cart before the horse. First you invite us over for tea and we have you over for mate. Don't forget to bring along some of those who are still nursing war wounds. Nothing cures hatred faster than finding out that the people you think of as enemies are, in fact, people just like you.

    Argentina is no threat to the islanders. It's sad that they mostly believe otherwise.

    Feb 26th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @ 52 Redcoat
    I am definitely not an Argentinian

    The Argentinian claim is based on denying the British history of the Islands in the past, and the rights of the Islanders to self determination in the present. A morally bankrupt argument.

    @ 56 polacandino
    I have drunk mate (from a gourd through a reed) a few times and eaten milanesas as well.

    But to do this there has to be a level of trust!

    I agree Argentina is no threat to the Islanders, but only because the British Military prevent it, be in no doubt of that. What I said was “Argentina is threatening them”.

    You have to admit CFK makes no attempt to persuade the Islanders to have anything to do with Argentina.

    A policy of blockade, abuse, threats and insults.

    This is how Argentina treats its neighbours in the South Atlantic, and you wonder why there is a level of hostility here.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/anachronistic-irrelevant-inefficient-the-decolonisation-committee/

    :-)

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Fascist

    55 Malvinero1

    You are not very bright are you. Just a fanatic.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    I agree there is scope for an improvement in relations between South Atlantic neighbours, Argentina admitting that the British are neighbours and not usurpers would be a start. However to negotiate you must have something to negotiate with, exactly what does Argentina have to offer?
    55 Malvinero1

    You are not very bright are you. Just a fanatic
    Really??

    No I am a realist. Somebody who has traveled everywhere, including uk
    Now, why Argentina has to” improve” relations with the neighbors? Which neighbors? Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay or Chile?? The fI??/What is that? 2000 people versus 3 millions in Uruguay or 200 millions in Brazil? It is a joke people? Just wake up..uk blew it! You brits were exultant wining a battle. You lost the war. You put Argentina in a corner, never WANTED to Sit down a negotiate seriously, speculating that Chile, or Brazil will help you….Argentina made a deal with all of them…So they want a piece of the possible riches, in Antarctica and the South Atlantic….You cannot make a case with 2000 people…Everybody laugh at you guys…You lost..There is no way back for Brazil or Uruguay or Chile…The deal is made already…..Brazil, has a much bigger economy than uk, not only in paper, but in REAL Economy. It is probable 2,3 times larger than uk…..Wake up people. You ignored Argentina …and you lost…It is over..it is a matter of time. There were several brits thinkers, that suggested the path and you were too stupid to see it.uk is Just a decadent country…Sorry guys…

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • markd

    Oh i guess its all over, because the utter moron malverino says so. 'Sorry guys', lol STFU you joke of a person.

    This article is boring, its just more Argentinians saying the Falklands are theirs isn't it? Its getting old now, i wish they would sort their affairs out and grow up.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    STFU you joke of a person.

    This article is boring, its just more Argentinians saying the Falklands are theirs isn't it? Its getting old now, i wish they would sort their affairs out and grow up
    YOU ARE SOOO STUPID.In SA we DO NOT GIVE a damn about you people!! uk Is finished,just they look pathetic....This is NOT 1833!

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    You lost ! It's only a matter of time!

    Not entirely compatible those two statements Marv. If we have already lost, then you shouldn't require any more time.

    You mind works in mysterious ways Marv :-)

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Lorton, “UK has run out of money” Like you said..It's only a matter of time!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9107485/Osborne-UK-has-run-out-of-money.html

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • johnfarrel2050

    Obvioulsly it happens in Ushuaia because the Malvinas Islands belongs to Argentina and they are a part of the Argentine Province of Tierra del Fuego. Nobody must be surprised of it, these Islands always have belonged to Argentina and ever will be so.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Green Goose

    28 AMERICASIONAL (#)

    'Taste your own medicine, how you feeling England?'

    Underwhelmed and non-plussed. The net effect is what exactly? The islands have always been and will always be British. If the islands weren't hundreds of miles from your shore you might see the Union flag flying over Government House.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    I just can't stop laughing at these posts by the inbred morons from RG land. Better than any comedy show.

    Mal, seems to have a severe case of rhetoric verbal diarrhea coupled with delusions of grandeur, and a complete disregard for anything factual, or with relevance.

    John above me has problems with Timelines, tell us all john, when did Tierra del Fuego become part of Argentina? and when were the Falklands founded? The maths just doesn't quite work out now does it??

    Marco, you can believe that, but we are stable, we have money, the same can not be said for RG land :)

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I think if the Argies actually put thought into what they're saying, rather than just repeating the same old 'Malvinas son onos' slogan over and over and over hoping it will happen, then they might be less tiresome people to discuss things with.

    Sadly they seem to think that by being a parasitic organism on the side of brazil, that all their issues are solved. FYI. This isn't typically how things like this are resolved.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    If Argentina had anything to offer they might be able to persuade the islanders.
    At the moment uk government left alone nice surplus income possible oil wealth.
    Sort out education free holiday every year paid for by governent.

    Ruled by Argentina not left alone.
    No surplus education in a foreign language poor governent poor services can't really see an upside?

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @69 I've been asking for a long while, what the Argentinians are claiming to bring to the 'negotiation' table, and apparently no one has been able to respond. It's as though they expect the UK to be forced into a negotiation, as if the UK lost the war. The psychology underlying this activity is bizarre at best, with Argentina effectively playing the part of the 'winner' and demanding that the 'loser' negotiate. They even hand out medals to people for losing a war and go around congratulating each other on losing the war, and celebrating the day the war was lost. It is very a very curious national mentality.

    ...however, it does seems they're bringing a lack of investment in things, terrible credit history, self-destructive political ideology and a hidden economy. These aren't really great bargaining chips.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • markd

    Now come on you Brits, play fair. While we're trying to talk to these semi evolved monkeys by using facts, logic and reasoning, they're only responding with emotion. They can't understand our language, their brains don't work that way. I shall attempt to communicate their way:

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!

    ARGENTINA OUT!

    YOUR EMPIRE IS COMING TO AN END!

    ARGENTINA IS FINISHED!

    There, i'm sure now they'll understand. Poor stupid Argentinians, maybe one day they will also to use logic and reasoning.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    Here we go again!

    @ 57 Pugol-H “I am definitely not an Argentinian”

    So the hunt for an intelligent Argentinian on this site goes on

    “This is how Argentina treats its neighbours in the South Atlantic, and you wonder why there is a level of hostility here”.

    Can I add, how very well you put it.

    @56 polacandino
    “Argentina is no threat to the islanders. It's sad that they mostly believe otherwise”.

    Militarily no, of course not, but in any way that can they are, see subject article

    @55 Malvinero1
    Sure,it time to kick the brits out...It is no point to be there as a “judge”,isn't....Any decent court of law,in which the defender is in a jury...totally inmoral......Time to kick the unjust system once and for all...

    Are you for real? You obviously mean a bigoted Argentinian court of law

    @60 Malvinero1

    “Wake up people. You ignored Argentina …and you lost…It is over..it is a matter of time. There were several brits thinkers, that suggested the path and you were too stupid to see it.uk is Just a decadent country…Sorry guys…”

    Travelling around to different countries obviously doesn’t make you intelligent, you will just grow old and die waiting nothing will change, you’re pathetic.

    @64 Marcos Alejandro

    “Lorton, “UK has run out of money” Like you said..It's only a matter of time!”

    The UK can borrow money at the lowest interest rate because we’re solvent, Argentina is bankrupt so it’s only a matter of time before you’re staving

    @65 johnfarrel2050

    “Obvioulsly it happens in Ushuaia because the Malvinas Islands belongs to Argentina and they are a part of the Argentine Province of Tierra del Fuego. Nobody must be surprised of it, these Islands always have belonged to Argentina and ever will be so.”

    Why do you persist in deluding yourself, you more important things to worry about, you’re bankrupt

    @68 GreekYoghurt

    “Sadly (Argentina) seem to think that by being a parasitic organism on the side of brazil, that all their issues are solved.”

    They have to clutch at s

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @72 for a long period Argentina employed a policy of parasitism with the USA, but it turned out to be a parasitoid, intent on poisoning it's host through defaulting on debts and generally being delinquent. Now it has employed a policy of parasitism with Venezuela and Brazil under the hope that it can gain land through little or no losses.

    The negotiation method employed by Argentinians and Spanish is more like that of a parasitoid, in that it poisons relationships and inevitably the host has to go out and buy some method getting rid of the parasite from the chemist.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @70GreekYoghurt,
    l asked the same, many months back but got few answers.
    Stupid Axel seemed to think that we would be grateful & as they “owned” the lslands they would actually be making a concession if they “let” us keep half of our sovereignty.! What a fool.
    While we're on the subject l would be interested to know, what facts do they base their ridiculous “claim” on for South Georgia & the South Sandwich lslands.
    No Argentines have EVER lived there.
    Only got from Think that they “WANT” them.
    Just not good enough.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @74 I know. I find the whole concept of negotiation to be hilarious. When are they going to realise they lost the war, and principium possessionem stat. I'd still like to know out of interest what they think they are bringing to the negotiation, and what they think we're bringing to the negotiation.

    It's just like walking into a sweet shop with no money, continuously saying 'I'm not negotiating on my ownership of that chocolate bar' and getting upset that the owner doesn't enter into negotiations. It's just hilarious.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • row82

    Couldn't say it any better Mark :) -

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH!

    GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!

    ARGENTINA OUT!

    YOUR EMPIRE IS COMING TO AN END!

    ARGENTINA IS FINISHED!

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    What was the actual purpose of this meeting? It can't have been staged simply so that Brits can giggle about it.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @77 Yes.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • markd

    @72 and 73 I almost fell over laughing at some of those comments!

    @76 Perhaps if we keep trying, we'll establish a dialogue?

    @77 I thought Argentina was put there purely for our entertainment?

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @79 markd
    “72 and 73 I almost fell over laughing at some of those comments!”

    Thanks, I'm glad someone else finds them funny, because I can almost split my sides writing and reading this stuff

    (hence you having to put with me sometimes missing out words)

    @69 Martin Woodhead

    I would love the Islanders to get rich, because Argentina would just implode with frustration

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    This might cheer you up,
    And pxxs of the Argies a bitty
    .
    http://www.hmforces.co.uk/armed_forces_news/articles/10411-falklands-task-force-plan-ready-if-argentina-threatens-to-invade-again

    and the DRAGON has arrived .
    http://www.hmforces.co.uk/armed_forces_news/articles/10411-falklands-task-force-plan-ready-if-argentina-threatens-to-invade-again

    .

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @81 The argies are upset that we're militarising the North Atlantic.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @29 What a pity your comment misses the essential. There is no “racism” involved. You need to consider “speciesism”. You don't seem to understand the British people and Falkland Islanders are human beings. Whilst the majority of argies and other south americans are not!
    @30 Not human.
    @38 Another non-human.
    @41 A psychotic non-human.
    @55 A deluded psychotic non-human.
    @60 Manic deluded psychotic non-human.
    @62 Too right it's not 1833, you manic deluded psychotic non-human. Argieland can easily be turned into a large crater with NO population.
    @65 Another manic deluded psychotic non-human.

    And so the situation at the end of this day. Tin Man has made a total ar*e of himself and his cuntry at the UN. Argieland has proved its care and consideration for its people by killing loads of them. Argie bludgers have, once again, proved themselves to be illiterate, uneducated, brainwashed, anally-retentive, bigoted, deluded, mendacious, psychotic tu*ds.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Ushuaia is a disgusting place full of litter, dog faeces and graffiti. They should be all be given a brush and told to make themselves useful. Some of that shit might blow away and get into the South Atlantic which belongs to Great Britain.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Is anyone else thinking that the yellow tie doesn't suit the yellow jacket?

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dreyfoss

    Newsflash - All cruise ships now visiting the Falklands will be forbidden entry to any Argentine port.
    Two cruise ships presently on their way to Ushuaia have been refused safe anchorage.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James

    Ha Ha Argentina can go and FUCK it self!!!!!

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dreyfoss

    @ 84 Be serious (#) Feb 27th, 2012 - 03:16 pm
    “ Ushuaia is a disgusting place full of litter, dog faeces and graffiti. They should be all be given a brush and told to make themselves useful. Some of that shit might blow away and get into the South Atlantic which belongs to Great Britain.”

    Patient in British hospital eaten by rats -
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107056/Jason-Ketley-I-gnawed-rat-hospital-bed.html

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    65 johnfarrel2050 (#) Before you post a comment I would suggest you read your history. In what year did Argentina take over Patagonia? Which flag flew in Ushuaia before the Argentine flag? Checking on your history will avoid you opening your mouth to change your feet.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @76 row82

    You might try adding a few

    AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSS

    or

    JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJaJAJAJAJAJAAAAAAAAAAASSS

    or

    KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAAAAAAAAAAAASSSS

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Falklands are British

    87 James Peck?

    Probably not but don't worry Argentina, he will shit in his new nest just like he did his old when something doesn't go his way. It's nothing to do with Argentina vs. Falklands with James. It's only about James for James.

    LOL! Won't be long.

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @88 and how are those related?

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    All cruise ships now visiting the Falklands will be forbidden entry to any Argentine port,,,,
    and not one bit was mentioned on bbc news tonight,
    it seems to be of more interest to you guys,, than to us,

    still,, shooting yourselves in the foot, is becoming a habit, is it not .

    Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AndyMac

    88 dreyfoss

    Having been in an Argentine hospital (after an unemployed and uninsured drunk Dago smashed into my hire car) and having spent time in a British hospital, given the choice I can defiantly say it would be British every time.

    Not only was the Argentine hospitals floor covered in blood but the A&E was full of youths who had had their heads beaten in during clashes with the Police, this was 2002 btw. Maybe things have got worse since then?

    This is an NHS hospital - all care and treatment is free

    http://www.uhb.nhs.uk/

    Here is an Argentine equivalent -

    http://www.uhb.nhs.uk/

    Worlds apart!

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    88 dreyfoss Patient in British hospital eaten by rats -
    Like the Brits say, bloody hell that's a big rat!

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brit abroad

    Marcos

    I say something similar every time i look at your president! I usually say “bloody hell, thats a big botoxed Bald Uakari”! But putting mammals aside for a second, I'd like to suggest you get back in bed with your sock, and dream of a big scary Prince William coming to get you!

    For everyone elses purpose, my comments here come from another forum debate with marcos!

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @96 brit abroad
    “ my comments here come from another forum debate with marcos”

    Quite right, hunt him down wherever he goes.

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gotey

    Shouldnt Mr. D. Cameron invite Argentina to take the case to the ICJ IN PUBLIC at the UN?
    Wouldnt that be the Britishers wish turned real?

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @96 don't you mean Uruk-hai from the lord of the wedding-rings?

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @95 In argieland the rats are in the favelas and the Casa Rosada!

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mebyon Kernow

    @93
    Tuned into BBC Parliament this afternoon for Foreign Secretarys questions.
    Just two on issues to do with Argentina.
    One about the cruise ships, the other about the economic blockade of the Falklands. Both dealt with calmly in about 30 seconds. No hysterics, no blustering; cross party agreement.
    As part of the answer to the second question - an assurance that no British tax payers money was finding its way to Argentina; absolutely no economic aid.
    The rest of the time was spent talking about Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the West Bank, amongst others. Puts this all (cruise liners, Argentina WILL attend the Olympics) into perspective - completely insignificant, although it probably doesn't seem that way to the Falkland Islanders.

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AndyMac

    88 dreyfoss

    Having been in an Argentine hospital (after an unemployed and uninsured drunk Dago smashed into my hire car) and having spent time in a British hospital, given the choice I can defiantly say it would be British every time.

    Not only was the Argentine hospitals floor covered in blood but the A&E was full of youths who had had their heads beaten in during clashes with the Police, this was 2002 btw. Maybe things have got worse since then?

    This is an NHS hospital - all care and treatment is free

    www.uhb.nhs.uk/

    Here is an Argentine equivalent -

    sarrrah.de/sarrrah-argentina/emergency_phone_numbers_eng.htm

    Worlds apart!!

    Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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