MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Banning cruise vessels coming from Malvinas, “cheap way of making sovereignty”
The law was ‘misinterpreted’ and “the authorization awarded to cruise vessels by the (Argentine) Foreign Affairs ministry was ignored”, claimed the president of Ushuaia Chamber of Tourism Marcelo Lietti reacting to the weekend decision to bar two red ensign cruises from entering Tierra del Fuego. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou could generate electricity with that amount of back-pedalling.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We receive 450 cruise calls every season. We’re the most important port in this industry in the Southern Cone, but we are doing everything possible for the cruises to leave and not return”, complained Lietti.
So incompetent that it's hilarious.
They should be as proud of this U-turn as they are of Gaucho Rivero
Lietti is speaking not on behalf of the whole chamber. Hall of us(in the chamber) think he shouldn't be in charge. He does not own any business.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides he is going against his own words. If we think in all the people he should remember that for every person employed in tourism 3 or 4 are in the goverment. This is payed by Cristina, because Colazo didn't realize the province couldn't pay to that amount of people. So now we have to wait till they retire and die. And thinking of the people, I would go for 3 before 1. It's not an option here to be against the National Government. It doesn't matter who governs here and in Buenos Aires, TDF will be pro-government.
It's up to the government to intrepret the law, not you. He should present the case to the Justice if he believes otherwise. Provincial justice here is one of the few in the country which works.
This ban is not the way. But I think the government was made an offer which they couldn't refuse.
I actually feel for this bloke and the people working in the tourist industry in Ushuaia.... they aren't the ones that stopped the ships.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However it does go to show that any attempt to blockade or interfere with Falkland's trade will end up biting Argentina good and hard on the bum.
Puerto Williams anyone?.... what was that ? No tourist infrastructure? That is an easy fix. Only a few thousand people live there? So....all same Stanley then ..... people come to the south for remoteness..... not a big Bolivian slum.
And the view of Monte Olivia and the mountains is better from the south side of the Beagle anyway.....
@ Poor you JuanStanic, everyday is harder for you to justify your actions, Malvinists. It's not up to the government to do what it wants, just because it is the government. In your own words, it's up to us to kill the government when we don't want it. We should do it, don't you think? After all we are not slaves of Cristina de Kirchner, are we? In your quest for Malvinas, you'll destroy Argentina. Good luck :) Son demasiado pe lo tu dos para darse cuenta, ¿no? The Justice? Do you mean the justice of Cristina? I know you don't live in Argentina, like the other Malvinists, but it's funny how stupid you are talking about how good Cristina is when you live in Europe :)
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know Marcelo Lietti,, he sees only one part of the ban (that could impact localy), but we can be able to be the global cause of this ban.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazilians and Argentines will keep coming. After all this two are the groups whose numbers increased more in the last five years. And most come for winter tourism, which neither Punta Arenas, Puerto Williams or Stanley can compete with us for now.
@3 you can feel for him, but it's just a more objective and better business decision for the cruise companies to avoid Argentina for the near future. There are equally as nice places in Chile, such as Puerto Williams, that would be less risky for them, and they're actually wanted there.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's until Argentina decides that it actually wants to attract cruise liners, and it can do some begging, lobbying and Advertising to the Cruise companies to bring them back.
@ 6 Who the f*ck cares about Brazilians, this is Argentina, go live in Brazil and be happy there.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 you are one of the most ridiculous Malvinists I have ever read. Are the Falklands of Argentina now? The islands are British. What will our country win with these nationalistic actions? Nothing, only loss of money. This won't put the Falklands in your hands Malvinists.
When is the Big Port development in the Falklands going to get the go ahead so that cruise liner passengers can fly direct to Mount Pleasant from Miami and Capetown ? They can then see the wildlife of South Georgia and the new Marine Protected Zone (ban Argie ships -if they have any) in comfort and maybe do some shopping in Montevideo to cheer poor old President Mujica up and reduce his dependence on those bullying Argies.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I the only one who thinks the Argies are being very naive and childlike if they think there is not going to be any comeback when they ban American owned ships from their shit hole of a port.
What I cannot understand is Lietti talking about misunderstanding the law, and 04:00... but they clearly had enough clarity and time to make a massive great poster telling the cruises that they weren't welcome and should go elsewhere.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A poster of that size is going to take a few days to design, print and hang from the harbour wall.
So at what point was there a misunderstanding? I don't get it?
@4
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not worth answering at all, but I'll give you a chance. You are right, it's not up to them to do whatever they want, they followed a law, Gaucho Rivero law. No, killing would be to be at the same level of Videla & friends. It's up to us to promote alternatives to what we have. That what MPF is.
Yes, Fueguian justice. Not under Federal control. The same one which got Colazo out of office(he was governor).
Oh, you know I don't live in Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego, Argentina? Proove it. You surely should have proofs.
@7
No, at most 4 ships more will be banned and the policy abandoned. A third of politicians here has some business in tourism. This ban was to proove the National Government that TDF's government is with them. They already lost 2011 legislative elections in Ushuaia(where MPF won). MPF traditionally concentrates tourism business. Extending the ban for too long would only mean giving us more support.
Wonder when Argentina will start banning British Airlines to Buenos aires; seems the next silly step in this scenario.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Marcelo Lietti has brown trouser moment and is trying to deal with democratic dictators.All it needs now is cruise ship directors to announce that they are considering not including Argentina in next years schedules !
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Why don't they just pull up close to the shore to see the people shouting and screaming 'malvinas argentinas' with burning torches and shaking figures of Gaucho Rivero at the 'pirate ship' and then when they get bored they can sail off to Chile.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then the Argies get to vent their rage, and the cruise people get to see typical argentinian culture.
It's a fair swap and all for free.
Wow, these guys are smart.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, anyone know what other spanish word you can get from - Argentino?
Answer:
Ignorante
@8 xbarilox : sorry for you .... these actions you´d understand if you be able to see the forest and not just the tree.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recent information told to me from partners in the Chamber. The government blamed Frente para la Victoria and the Legislators. As no concrete answer was given, the Chamber of Tourism and the Commerce one decided to leave the meeting.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From recent polls in internet newspapers and vox populi, public opinion is 80-85% against the policy.
@17 Fiddling while Rome burns?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Frank (#)
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Puerto Williams anyone?....”
Do you mean Victory cruises “Frankie”?
“In December 2007, during prayer, the Lord spoke to Ben that a spark was now time for the fire of the Holy Spirit to be ignited here in Puerto Williams, Chile, the world's most southern town. [The ”Confines of the Earth“ 700 miles from Antarctic is Now only 5% Evangelical]
According to God's word by prophesy it is predicted that this fire will start here and spread north and to all South America, Latin America, North America and throughout the world”
http://www.victory-cruises.com/revival_from_the_south.html
http://www.victory-cruises.com/revival_from_the_south.html
perhaps this policy does harm local tourism. perhaps argentina should do as in the 90s and foster a relationship of trust, trade and friendship with the Malvinas and the UK. The problem is that the UK, one way or the other, will still refuse to negotiate. At least with this method, they get the hint that there is a reaction for the arrogance.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Negotiate on what? Arrogance about what?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 020 Troneas
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arrogance? Are you for real? Are you seriously saying that not wanting to negotiate away our future to you lot is arrogance?
No. It is responsible, prudent, and reflects the wishes of the people of the Falkland Islands. It is democratic.
Every time you pull a stunt like this, you make yourslves look reckless, arrogant and actually incapable of looking after your own interests, let alone ours. You are sacrificing the livlihoods of your own fishermen, tourism operators, and goodness knows what else over a cause you can never win.
In short, you don't look like a good bet.
Oh and the UK would negotiate if we wished it. Your only hope, at all, is to keep trying 'friendship'.
@22 It's also against the Argentinian constitution to negotiate the sovereignty of 'las malvinas' (doesn't exist). So the Argies cannot even get into a negotiation about what they want to negotiate. (Argentinian logic abounds)
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone tell me on what basis they think they own the other South Atlantic Islands?
@23 the argentine claim on south georgia dates back to 1904 when Britain allowed an argentine whaling company to set up on the island, with the Falkland Islands government at the time giving them the fishing leases.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is literally it
later during the 1930s adoption of fascist ideals and practices, as well as part of the campaign to forcibly steal more land to distract the population (now that the native lands had all been conquered and ethnically cleansed, and Chile, Brazil and Uruguay were able to defend themselves), to claim the islands based on this fact
Britain on the other hand had discovered them in 1675, and claimed them in 1775, and then further enforced in 1843 when Britain assigned them to be governed by the Falkland Island government. they repeatedly informed both Chile and argentina of this multiple times with zero objection until the 1930s
just like how argentina's “claim” on the Falklands can be compared to someone (the argentine government of the time) demanding someone else's property because 200 years ago they attempted to bribe the guy living there (Vernet who only settled there after gaining British permission and recognizing British ownership) to allow him to secretly move in, their claim on the other islands can be compared to some guy trying to steal land because 100 years ago his ancestor was hired to mow the lawn.
You know the only people getting hurt by Argentine aggression and arrogance are the Argentine people.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a sad state of affairs for Argentina people when the ever increasingly ridiculous policies of the government do even more to steal the livelihoods of the decent hard working people of the country.
I genuinely feel sorry for those decent, hard working and honorable Argentine people who rely on this industry.
It just keeps getting worse and worse for the country with the government not only embarrassing the country on a global level but now doing even more to damage the already disastrous economy.
@24,25 I know we know argentina is fiddling while Buenes Aires burns. But I'm surprised they can even kid to themselves that a british agreed whaling station in 1904 is worthy enough in any court of law.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These people are just hilarious in their attempts at thievery. It's no wonder we don't negotiate with this kind of nonsense.
I think what a lot of Argentine folk seem to miss is they have declared the Falkland islands 'non-negotiable' and then demand negotiations but quite clearly to a sane person those two objectives are incompatible.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the Argentine government need to look up the word incongruent.
@35
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To deny existence of Malvinas is to deny existence of Germany, Suiza, Dinamarca, Groenlandia, Irlanda, Islandia, Noruega, Suecia, Paises Bajos and many others. It's to deny existence of Spanish language.
There is already a Spanish name for the place and Spanish speakers who speak as the language is supposed to be spoken will call them by their Spanish name. The same with every country, city, province and geographical name.
Juan my friend we do not have 35 posts....... You are number 28 if you were in any doubt :)
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although I'm sure what you've said is valuable and worthwhile I think in this instance you've pitched your tent in the wrong field......
@27 Quite.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARG.gov: “I demand that you negotiate on something that I'm constitutionally disallowed to negotiate about, through pain of death”
UK.gov: “Hmm, you're a bunch of totally incompetent p3n1s3s”
The other thing is, that they demand to negotiate over 'Las Malvinas' which don't actually exist.
ARG.gov: “I demand that you negotiate on something doesn't exist”
UK.gov: “Hmm, you're a bunch of totally incompetent p3n1s3s”
Curiously, they don't really seem to get it. I'm sure they don't want to negotiate, they just want to have a rant, and then walk out and say the UK had a rant. It's their usual trick, amateurish projection.
28 JuanStanic
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that case, none of you should be writing 'Malvinas' when communicating in English.
@28 I don't use Spanish for two reasons: a) because I'm not a pauper; and b) I have a suitable education.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if someone wants to negotiate with me on the topic of 'las malvinas' I won't have a clue what they're talking about, and probably ignore them, and call the police if they keep bothering me.
@29
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't realize it thanks. It was for 25.
Please explain me your last statement. Didn't know the phrase.
@31
No one speaking correcty in English should. I don't. And I don't want to call them Falklands either. So I just call them “the Islands”. Nobody ever complained they didn't get what I refered to, so I believe it's not wrong to do so. Search my posts if you wish.
@33 - Pitching your tent in the wrong field is a light hearted English phrase for when someone has accidentally made a mistake and wrote/said something that isn't related to the subject.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from your coment being xenophobic, 1)Perez Companc is hardly a pauper and speaks Spanish. 2) So then, what's actually your education?
@34
Ok, I got it. But I didn't pitched my tent in the wrong field. GY claimed Malvinas did not exist. I corrected him and explained why they do.
I'm post 35 that JuanStanic was talking about earlier.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ball-juice.
Is there anybody out here? http://m24digital.com/en/2012/02/28/roger-waters-the-falklands-are-argentine/
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hollywood Actor says 'malvinas argentinas;” And.. ?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“1970s guitarist says 'malvinas argentinas;” And.. ?
“Anti-western ex-MP says 'malvinas argentinas;” And.. ?
“Man in Beige Hat says 'malvinas argentinas;” And.. ?
I'm failing to see any causality between the opinion of this curious bunch and the objective truth.
GY, are you sure? Common, don't lie. You are not 35.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 “too late was I”, Yoda
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,ho dear,
Feb 29th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another cruise bits the dust,
and the indifference between indoctrinated bloggers, and the real people who get effected by these stupid children playing politics,
But hey,, its not the silly argie bloggers who suffer is it,
and where will your loyalty be, when you government starts to lose its friends, as its going to cost them millions, is CFK and her bloggers going to compensate these poor people
not bloody likely .
GreekYoghurt Some other people thinks also the same thing. For instance: 32 countrys including Brazil. Then, there is China and India and Russia too... and....What do you think ah? Is it more than a 70's guitarist? dont you think? ; )
Feb 29th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who suffers more? 2.000 who won't be payed because of banning ships or like 8.000 who won't be payed because CFK won't sent the money to TDF?
As much as I dislike Fabiana, she was forced by realpolitik.
It would have happened to any government in TDF.
Another news about ships & piracy...
Feb 29th, 2012 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/28/costa-allegra-seychelles,
are there more pirates out of Malvinas??' I cant believe it!
After seeing this article and went back to read the forum that followed the “Port of Ushuaia refuses entry of cruise vessels that visited the Falkland Islands” story.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heheheheheehe, whoops! He is, in effect, calling most of the RG posters on that forum idiots.
I love it!!!
watching argies back-pedalling is as much fun as drinking angel-delight butterscotch flavour with too much milk in it so it doesn't quite set.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely it's time for all British-flagged (and related) cruise vessels to cease even attempting to dock anywhere in argieland? Not difficult to do. Call in in Brazil, then Uruguay, then down to the Falklands and then into the Pacific and calls in Chile and other ports along the western coast. This avoids disappointing the paying customers. Those customers that actually want to visit a cess pit could leave the cruise at Montevideo or Punta Arenas and travel overland (but not by train).
Feb 29th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 Yes, it is time.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 JuanStanic
Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I understanding this right?
You are being blackmailed by your own government who are threatening to wreck your local economy by not paying government wages if you don't agree with their policies.
How can you possibly expect us to willingly have anything to do with you? This is truly shocking.
Is Argie land still being run by a Junta?
Feb 29th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49
Feb 29th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not blackmailing. It happened a few times. Great turmoil happened. The problem is not because of them.
A guy called Colazo was governor 10 years ago. He had a great idea called megapase. For gaining more support he hired like 4.000 thousand people into the government. Obviously he then faced a judment and was removed from office. But Argentine constitution clearly forbids any government from firing its employees without proper cause.
So now the goverment needed a budget twice(and more) as large to pay for salaries. As we can't raise that money, we have to ask it from Buenos Aires.
We have always to play nice with Buenos Aires to make sure the money comes and it does in time. They never threatened us, nor they blackmailed our governments. But, no government wants to risk finding out what will happen if you anger Buenos Aires. It could easily mean political suicide, a judgement, loosing an election, social exile. So they keep playing nice to them.
This is not National Government(from any party) fault at any point, nor Argentina as a whole. This is because of Colazo of course, and because of TDF's governments speculation.
51 JuanStanic
Feb 29th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So basically, small business owners like you are under the cosh from the government and must do as you are told, even if you suffer for it?
Sounds like a real good place to be a businessman - NOT.
@52
Feb 29th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. We can sell our services and products to whoever we want(75% percent business work only with locals and 20% with both). In some cases they urge us to do otherwise. And well, they deny access to the ship. We in the Tourism and Commerce chambers are going to call for a referendum(where we expect to win), and go to court over if tourism is or not a natural resource and thus be included in Gaucho Rivero law. If it's decided it's not and the law was therefore badly interpretated, then that way all goes back to normal here. CFK will be pissed off, not the local government.
” Last year Argentina imported goods worth over 600 million dollars from Britain - mainly consisting of chemicals, pharmaceuticals and cars..
Feb 29th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as always the people suffer, but CFK is worth millions, and can come and go when she wants, the people most of the time, cannot,
After a meeting in the MPF, we concluded to be against the policy.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.sur54.com/prohibicion-de-amarre-a-cruceros-es-una-medida-perjudicial-evaluo-garramuno
Poll results will surely be around in two days or three.
And then to justice.
@55 The ARG.gov Ministry of Truth have 404ed your link. That's what happens when you write things like 'massive inflation'.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I copied wrong the link
http://www.sur54.com/prohibicion-de-amarre-a-cruceros-es-una-medida-perjudicial-evaluo-garramuno-1
Greek, since you perversely insist on your fescennine kibitzing about Spanish as a language... English is a “simple” language to acquire. It features a exceedingly simplified verb conjugation structure, and an unprecise temporal system; however, it does utilize multifarious periphrastic tenses. These qualities adduce a need of debabelization through language simplification during Norman times, coinciding with the process of loss of inflection and other developments.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Compare Spanish which has a much more complicated temporal structure than English, German, French, or Italian:
Yo hablo (“I speak” right now)
Yo hablaba (“I used to speak”, or spoke & stopped at unkown time)
Yo hablé (“I spoke” & action is over, or I spoke and know when stopped)
Yo hablaré (“I will speak” and know when it will happen)
Yo hableyé (“I will be usually speaking”, or begin at an unknown time )
Yo he hablado (“I have spoken” or “I have been speaking” implying past action which influences the present)
Yo había hablado (“I had spoken” at uknown time in the past before another past action)
Yo hube hablado (“I did speak” before another past action immediately afterwards)
¡Habla! (speak! - positive imperative)
¡No hables! (don't speak! - negative imperative)
que yo hable (subjunctive: “if I were to speak”, present irreality)
que yo hablara (subjunctive: indefinite irreality)
que yo hablase (subjunctive: definite irreality)
que yo hablare (subjunctive: future irreality)
que yo haya hablado (subjunctive: irreality that happens before a real fact in the present)
que yo hubiera hablado (subjunctive: indefinite irreality that happened before a real fact)
que yo hubiese hablado (subjunctive: definite irreality that happened before a real fact)
que yo hubiere hablado (subjunctive: irreality that will happen be fore a real fact)
habiendo hablado (coverbal reality)
THE great strength of English? It's wondrous vocabulary panoply. Most of you natives do not usufruct this distinct treasure, however.
@58 That's fine, but how do the poor people learn it without decent weighted paper and pen ink?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 tobias
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been learning Espanol for six months and have great problems with the fact that one word can have a myriad of meanings.
I think you have very ably demonstrated that with your excellent example above.
Thank you. :o)
Well if you comment was genuine, I can provide you with a complete expatiation of the verb tenses and their correct temporal usage (well, as correct as one can dare to approach, remember utilization varies by region or country, but my compilation takes into account the broadest and most acceptable gamut of uses).
Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I wrote above is the general outline of that, but lacks full examples due to the obvious limit of characters one has here; sentences are extremely useful in understanding through context. Also, several of the tenses are in disuse in colloquial language as perhaps you may guess (however I still use them; when judiciously introduced in an apposite circumstance they strike as mellifluous and precise to the ear, even to natives who no longer use them). I would point those out.
61 tobias
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have said here before, I do not lie.
Yes, my gratitude was genuine and you are correct about the colloquial differences, not only by region, but in Uruguay by city!
But I will not give up and eventually will get the better of it.
I meant your comment of learning Spanish.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if you want that sheet I'll provide it.
63 tobias
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0But how can you get it to me without me revealing my email address?
Unlike the British this implanted Europeans in Argentina don't want to.make the sacrifices they need to make to defend Argentina from theft and illegal occupation, didn't this cowards know that brits are the enemy and that they killed Argentine to theft Islas Malvinas Argentina, you can tell by the skin color that this retards don't care about Argentina but how much they can theft from it, if they are not with us this people are with the pirate and thieves. I say let's jail them for supporting nuclear armed terrorist.
Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 065 Pratt-Junta
Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As lucid as usual I see. WTF are you talking about?
“brits are the enemy and that they killed Argentine to theft Islas Malvinas Argentina” Are you referring to the invasion by the Argie cowards in 1982 of the Falkland Islands (there are no Malvinas)?
You know, where we kicked your sad ass all the way back to the mainland and off OUR property.
So what's the point here, I cannot understand your illiterate English?
Or is it that are just raging mad that Argentina is NOT a nuclear country you wannabee gangster?
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