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Montevideo, July 19th 2019 - 11:12 UTC
The Union of South American Nations, Unasur presidents have been invited by Argentina to a ceremony in Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego, next 2 April when the official beginning of the Malvinas war three decades ago. Read full article
Are they celebrating their failure to comply with UNSCR 502 or failure to respect the terms of Treaty of Friendship 1850?
Which one is it?
Or is it stab in the back to the remaining Mapuches following the Conquest of the Desert (Conquista del desierto) directed by General Julio Argentino Roca in the 1870s, which established Argentine dominance over Patagonia. Which, by the way was inhabited by indigenous peoples.
hang on a minute!!!! That means if they claim the falklands then ....... wait!!!!
What are the premise for RG's claiming the Falkands again? I remember Falklanders being called squatters and stuff about colonialism, and more stuff about falklands being stolen!!!!
Am i wrong to be confused on their stance and logic?
They are celebrating the commencement of two months of killing. Most rational people celebrate the end of war which signals a time of peace.
Not these nutters.
And on the 1st of September Germany is hosting a party for EU heads of state to commemorate the invasion of Poland ... No ? they have more taste and style.
KFC: do you want to come to our celebration of where we slaughtered everyone in Paraguay and then tried to divide up the spoils?
President Lugo: No.
KFC: do you want to come to our celebration of where completely lost a war to the British?
President Lugo: You people have mental issues.
KFC: Barp barp barp brap brap braaaaap hahahaha parb barp
President Lugo: *hangs up*
Its a real bugger when you throw a party and nobody turns up.....
What is really wierd and inconsistent is that when asked about the '82 'unpleasantness', KFC always says It wasn't us, it was a bunch of maverick military dictators - not in the name of Argentina. However, she seems to be aligning the Republic with that heinous act and celebrating something the current 'democracy' have said they had nothing to do with.
Either they agree with the war and the people who caused it or they distance themselves and close the book.
Actually, the meeting date should really be April 1st. At least then, we could all laugh at the joke!
@7 Agreed. They cannot seem to make their mind up what they're doing with the Falklands War. They're deifying the Belgrano, they're celebrating a loss, they're supporting-notsupporting the war, it was popular-unpopular....etc.
Seems their propaganda department has stalled.
I enjoy a bit of irony as much as the next man.
Ushuaia is the Argentinian provincial capital of Tierra del Fuego (a former colony itself - penal in this case), Antarctica (which is not in South America, by definition and therefore also a colony) and the South Atlantic Islands (some of which are not even on the South American continental shelf and are therefore, by definition, colonial).
Anyway, it's as good as anywhere to celebrate a Veterans and Memorial Day and 2 April is as good a date to celebrate because it was the only day that the Falklands War went Argentina's way. By 3 April the warning order for the UK Task Force was already being drafted and we all know where that led us.
@9 Yeh, they seem to forget that their claims on Argentina and the South Atlantic islands are colonial, because that would involve them admitting that they're all a bunch of hypocrites. Argentinians aren't very self-aware, so they wouldn't like that.
Someone informed me that their claims on South Georgia are from a whaling station that the british allowed an argentinian to set up. Hmm... yet another great example of their logic.
Besides that, they're quite fun to laugh at.
They are at that.
Buffoons & clowns.
Why is it that Argentina seems to be the only colonial nation that represents its (overlapping) claim to a wedge of Antarctica on maps, in the constitution etc? Australia, whose territory is undisputed and by far the largest, never makes any fuss about it from what I can tell, nor does New Zealand, Norway etc. Ironic that the Argentine, British and Chilean claims overlap.
Argentinian posters often refer to UN Declarations in a most selective way too.
I can recommend two documents as the basis for understanding the UK position. One is even older than me and the other is very recent indeed. The first is the submission of UK to the UN ICJ from 1955 available on the ICJ website and the other is the response by the UK Permanent Representative at the UN to recent lobbying of the Chair of the UNSC and the UNSG. It is available on various current affairs websites.
Funny or not, there seems to me to be an element of sad desperation about this latest flurry of non-pressure. I'm sure the Argentinian Foreign Office is calculating with dread the imminent probability of a big name oil company becoming directly involved in the oil exploration process to the north of the Falklands. This, the ship entry refusals and the trade boycott are not directed at encouraging negotiation but at discouraging such nvestment in the Falklands.
@13 None of the UNGAR (resolutions) they ever put up are in any way binding, and they rarely mention the Falklands. When they do post up this nonsense, just remind them that: a) They ignored UNSCR 502 which was legally binding; b) Their resolutions are all from before their Dear Leader Nestor walked out of negotiations in 2005/3, not the british.
Their delinquency over UN resolutions and their inability to negotiate normally shuts them down.
@14 I had in mind particularly the UN Declaration on Decolonisation which has effectively introduced a number of principles into the international legal order of things. These are taken to be binding and relate to the illegality of the subjugation of indigenous peoples in locations that are separated from the dominating country by salt water. Tierra del Fuega perhaps? Oh the irony.
This has to be the poorest (in journalistic terms) article by Merco Press.
The article's title leads you to believe that the body will verse on the UNASUR meeting in Tierra del Fuego and how the various presidents have been invited to attend. Yet, once it begins it's a bitchy like story about just two of them.
Merco press, lift your game, please! this sort of articles should be sent to gossip journals!
I don't remember us (Great Britain) ever declaring war? it was a skirmish that was referred to as a conflict. It was never going to be a drawn out war against a 3rd world nation that might as well have been using horse drawn gun carriages & bow & arrows which is about the same level of comparison we have now between the two lots of forces only this time i suspect there would be more precision bombing than feet on the ground so Argentina get lost in their own land mines that are still knocking around.
@15 If that new legality exists, then the argies would ignore it quicker than you can bear to look at KFCs neck.
@16 Shush, grown people are talking.
@17 I used 'war' because i didn't want to use the falklands spanking. It didn't seem right.
@17 Declaration or not it was a war from where I was sitting watching it live in a bunker in the south of England and, more importantly, from where 5 Inf Bde and 3 Cdo Bde were doing the land based fighting. A skirmish is after all where forces engage and disengage without definitive result. Hardly applicable in this case!
The minefields are now properly marked so no need to get lost.
Age is not treating Botox Evita well. Plus her son is a porker. Why can't Argentina have a more photogenic first family?
Phone lines are not working between presidents Lugo and Cristina Fernandez
Well, that matches the rail lines. :o)
What else can you say about this fiasco?
Imagine inviting representatives of countries to a shindig to commemorate a former military junta (who killed thousands of Argentines) starting an illegal war, which they lost.....you literally cant make this up.
I would expect this of Monty Python.
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@23 oh dear, juvenile politics of your government matched by juvenile personal insults from the ordinary Argentine citizen.
Dont worry, we in the UK expect nothing less from you now. Carry on...
@20 you forgot not-lady gaga, the Great Leader's daughter.
@23 for a race of uglies we do seem to marry some pretty hot chicks.. including quite a lot of your argentinian women (not your president, she's a minger), so I'm quite content with my yellow-teeth and stench because it makes me a veritable poontang-magnet.
More than could be said for you.
We ought to recognise that the State of Argentina supports the end (the absorption of the Antarctic and South Atlantic Islands into the administrative control of Argentina) but not the means adopted by a previous regime (military force). Instead of threatening force it now tries to rally its neighbours to the cause and that, through such demonstrations of Latin American solidarity, the Anglo European presence in the South Atlantic takes the hint that it is not welcome and that further investment isn't worthwhile or too risky. Better still if the population there goes back to the northern hemisphere it will leave those in the southern hemisphere free to fill the gap. If it takes a bit of cynical nonsense like this invitation to contribute to this effect then it is worth it - every little helps.
True but we have a sense of humour and can laugh at ourselves you should try it some time.
The falkands is a bleak windswept wilderness and the people who live their are understandably a bit odd.
That said they have the right to be left in peace not invaded and after that put up with 30 years of threats blockades etc by a neighbour who wants to conquer and or expell them.
For some misguided sense of national hurt?
What possible use have you for them anyway?
It's like me converting my neighbours caravan regardless of the fact I have no car and don't like caravanning anyway?
Why are we even bothering with Argentina ? It seems plain that they hate our guts for whatever reason. Ignore them - let them rant and rave. They are of no economic or military importance. and act like a crowd of immature teenagers.
With apologies to Chile, there is only one country in South America worth dealing with commercially - Brazil !! The future in South America lies in their hands.
Learning portuguese would be more advantageous than Spanish although it sounds great when spoken in Spain and Mexico..
@26 No one outside of Argentina cares less about this issue.
Your neighbours play along with you because it stops you causing problems for them. Your pygmy politics if frankly pathetic and now that oil has been discovered no one will care less about rants from BA.
Money talks, bullshit walks.
It wasn´t the beginning of the war......it was the beginning of the invasion of a peacefully country.......and the prelude of a dolorous defeat when this country repelled them.
Hope our President will be too much busy to go there, it´s not our fight.....it´s a trilateral issue between Argentina, UK and FALKLANDS ISLANDS as the entitled people to the self determination rights over those islands.
What possible use? What about to legitimise the Argentinian claim to all natural resources in and under the sea and ice of the South Atlantic and Antarctica? Drawing a line from the Eastern and Western Extremities of a proximate state's territory to the South Pole marks out a claim to territory there according to international precedent. That's an awful lot of ice, sea and seabed and an awful lot of potential resource for the distant future.
Most of Scotland could be described as windswept and the people being decidedly odd. But it doesn't mean they're not British (for the minute)
I'm not poor so I don't speak spanish. This aside the Argentina is clearly an unhinged and uneducated pit of savages. We have a long and fair trading history with Brazil and Chile. So let's just focus on them and put the rest on a back burner.
Sod their claims to stuff that's not theirs. End of Story.
@23 - you obviously can't think of a decent argument to put across so you are turning to offensive pathetic remarks! It makes you look foolish!
Just because your odd and live in a strange windswept island doesn't mean we won't defend your right to live like that.
This just proves what a liar Ms K is. We are peaceful and disassociate ourseleves from the actions of a dictatoship. We are democratic now so you can trust us. Yet wait a minute we now celebrate the actions of the dictatorship on April 2nd. This is another example of why Britain and the Falkland Islanders will never trust an Argie.
Who in their right mind celebrates the start of a war when you go on to lose it so badly!!
Just so I understand....They're going to celebrate the following:
Starting a war.
Getting their asses handed to them.
Does that sum it up? So I'm asking myself, If I were Argentinian, would I want to celebrate this?
@36 That's a fair summary. But you need to write something about continuing to shoot at the British after they surrendered.
Tbf that could have Been the confusion of battle and the unfortunate troops paid the ultimate price. Big Boys rules.
Tumbledown on the other hand complete failure to hold a mountain.
Leaving a shed load of unmarked minefields behind made no offer to clear them in 30 years mind you that would have needed military competence.
They got cleared by a uk firm using Mozambiquan deminers cost a fair bob too.
This is all a gigantic smoke screen for Argentina's economic woes. The country is going down the pan fast by spending more than it earns so before the inevitable crash bang and reality comes and spending has to be reduced and taxes raised to pay for all of those fancy dresses Christina wears why not blame it on the Brits. Is the Argie public so gullible?
And where's the money going to come from to pay for that new Argie nuclear sub?
They would have us believe that they did not support the invasion, it was the all the fault of the military junta and no one wanted it...but they then go and celebrate it.
On 10 December, I propose we have a party and celebrate dead presidents day. Who could be offended by that?
Apparently she was held in a queue, for ½ an hour, listening to rule Britannia,
But on a lighter note, we hear that if she cant find anyone to join her party, [as the world will be watching the British][ have fun ] then she has contingency plans,
She has hired a rowing boat, 3 bottles of wine, and a packet of cheese crisps,
Sod it, she says, if I cant beat them then I will join them [even at a far distance ] lol.
Cristina Fernandez is just trying to internationalize an issue that corresponds uniquely to the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands to decide the final outcome. Everything the Argentinian government is doing against the well being of the Kelpers is proven worthless. It is time for the Falklanders to reaffirm their autonomy and declare the islands a sovereign state.
Go to www.service.comm.uk/catalogue.php
to pick up your 30 years Falkland War Commemorative medals boys.
I shall be sending Cristina one!
Ah, you see, the idea, I suppose is to celebrate the great Argentinian defeat (by several thousand men, an aircraft carrier, destroyers, etc) inflicted over 74 Royal Marines! No kidding.
All that Unasur need to do is re-schedule the 2012 Meeting so it is held in TdF.
This will allow the agenda to highlight TFI and will allow Argentina through Unasur to make Timerman-type assertions of 'Continental solidarity'.
No big deal, the world will not even note their assertions - there are much more exciting things happening in the northern hemisphere that will catch the attention of the media and the world.
#16 Your right, this site's becoming a joke, as someone on another thread said its getting like a BNP front. Whatever their personal issues Cristina and Lugo are both part of the continent wide left tide that's sweeping Latin America, more power to them both =)
@47 It's 'You are' not 'your'
Cristina and Lugo are both part of the continent wide left tide that's sweeping Latin America, more power to them both =)
Some Duracell batteries may help with the power,
A steering wheel will help steer from left to right.
And a broom to brush up with.
Commonly told by a comedian,
If you cant laugh things of
Then surely the wrong site is not here ?
This is untrue. There is no invitation of any kind to presidents. It was a rumour that was rejected by the government YESTERDAY and now MercoPropaganda publish it!
Unasur is overrated. In practice it doesn't exist.
@50... KFC inc denies it was ever considered because no one accepted her invite........
Mrs. KFC Turkeyneck denies everything and anything these days... even whole speeches that she made to the UN about banning LAN flights.
just look at the photo... 'what? you can't make it? but you promised..........'
Hissy fit off stage............
Mrs KFC Turkeyneck: We demand you come to our celebration of a expansionist war we lost.
Mr F Lugo: Do you not remember you killed 90% of our population through another of your expansionist wars where the only thing saving our country to exist to this day were the loans to the British.
Mrs KFC Turkeyneck: That never happened ba ba ba b bababa baba bab abba baba
Mr F Lugo: *slams down the receiver*
Unasur, Mercosur and Parlasur are all 'partially alive' organisations - 'the living dead'.
Not everybody - or every country - is so afflicted but one nation, in particular, has made these supra-national organisations so.
Brasil within Unasur, Mercosur and Parlasur is a bit like Simon Pegg in Shaun Of The Dead - moving through the zombie traps of their environment trying not to get sucked in to join the living dead.
@56 fantastic use of metaphor.
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