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Argentina escalates trade brawl with UK: suggests EU-Unasur analyze Malvinas dispute
The Argentine Foreign Ministry suggested in an official Wednesday release that “the EU and the Union of South American nations (UNASUR) analyze the Malvinas islands conflict and urge both countries (UK and Argentina) to negotiate”. Read full article
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Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is pleased to see that the UK government has finally resorted to an International Organization to find a diplomatic solution to the Malvinas Issue.
Argentina proposes that the European Union, alongside the Union of South American Nations analyze the Malvinas Islands Issue and summon both countries to restart talks urged by the UN General Assembly on several occasions and that England ignores, showing contempt to the highest organization for the peaceful solution of conflicts between nations and thus putting multilateral organizations at risk”
Chuckle chuckle©
I'm sorry, but I think it's rather pathetic that the UK is defending their economy trying to keep trade with Argentina, and we are doing the exact opposite.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's one thing to have a territorial dispute, another entirely is the escalation CFK is doing which is so utterly comtemptible.
Think!!! you are a pratt! We have gone to EU to solve the trade issue, not the falklands....your girl is just not listening...AGAIN!!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle is right - the EU wouldn't touch this with a barge pole.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They might think about saving some money though !
About time we imposed some trade barriers on Argentine goods though. That imbalance would benefit for a start!
Chuckle is seldom wrong - The UK is playing into our gambit by involving the EU...
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Check Mate in 11 moves..... mate.......
You said that 20 moves back :-)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/a-dogs-chance/
Think again think.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad you have realised that it's going to be game over for Argentina in, as you say, 11 moves.
All that's going to happen is that you'll get criticised for putting up trade barriers, with a call to re think your strategy.
If you do implement protectionism, you'll get the worst out of your little trade war.
You stand to lose more than we do.
Go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot again, is that your great gambit? (chuckle, giggle, jaw drops when the realisation sets in that Argentina is basically stating ”give up or we'll self harm).
Think - you are deluding yourself think, you have no leverage and you know it. You have trouble comprehending the rules of snap let alone chess.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know your escalation will backfire and hurt Argentina and will make no difference to the UK.
“Argentina has already consumed its assets in energy, agriculture, pension funds, central bank and expenditure continues to expand” points out Mondino adding that government spending has ballooned in the last decade but particularly in the last two years, “well above the production and growth capacity of the economy”.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0And now you want to cause my stress on business?????
(8) Mr. Beef
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0If i had any respect left for what you scribble on these pages; I would have invited you to a couple of online matches.
But I haven't.......................
“Argentina is pleased to see that the UK government has finally resorted to an International Organization to find a diplomatic solution to the Malvinas Issue.”
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erm, no we haven't, where the hell did that come from? Yet again, reading what they want to read, and paying no attention to any facts. Typical RG mentality.
After this little fiasco, i wonder what they will do next, I'm hoping for a mass suicide pact on there part. After-all, South America and the world would become a much more civilised and prosperous place without this cancerous growth stuck on the arse end of humanity.
Whatever you want Think. I made you and your compatriots an offer that if you were proven right would have got rid of me. For some reason none of you wanted to take me up on the offer.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are fully aware that the only one that is going to come out on the wrong side of this escalation is Argentina as your gvt is getting more desperate and making it look stupid. Timmerman at the UN, the restrictions on your own businesses (small and large) to make money from the UK and ships coming from the FI. You even had to photoshop a google map and claim our contracted rig had moved from FI waters and started drilling in Argentina's EEZ.
None of these actions have any effect of the economy of the UK or FI and there will be a noticable climb down from your side and as an intelligent man you know this will happen.
We will know soon enough the plans for oil production in the FI and I thjnk the visit of a US congressman with an interest in Rockhopper Penguins tells us all how ineffective Argentine belligerence is.
Such epic stupidity of the Argentine government.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0This clearly gives the UK a pretext to bring trade sanctions against Argentina which would severely damage its collapsing economy.
For what its worth I hope the UK doesn't since this will bring yet more suffering to the normal hardworking people of Argentina.
The best thing Argentina could do is remove CFK at their first opportunity because if she keeps going the UK is going to strike hard against Argentina and forcing the UK's hand into doing so will not be good for Argentina.
It's a shame CFK keeps pushing the UK because we know there will only ever be one loser here and it won't be the UK, nor CFK but the normal working people of Argentina.
She keeps getting richer and more powerful in Argentina whilst the country keeps sinking in its collapsing economy.
The master move!!! dont make me laugh. Argentina is in trouble for restricting free trade. Its like being arrested for something then saying to the Police ''I am glad the Police are now negotiating with me'' MAD. Wait and see what happens these tactics are like teenager on glue not a educated country that we assumed Argentina was!!! Just stop bullying the falklands and concentrate on your junk economy over 25 percent inflation, defaulted IMF loans, defaulted US loans. SMOKESCREEN for a hell of a lot of problems. You have to pay up soon hope your saving up :)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0(12) Mr. Beef
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0My uneducated guess:
CPR: ≤ 235 mmbbls
This is Argfaggotry of a whole new level. They clearly don't understand what the EU exists to do, nor the UN. Their Foreign Policy is completely amateurish.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's all I have to say on the matter.
(6) Lord Ton
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, lad…………………………………..............
I didn´t make any move since last.
I didn’t even touch a piece.
I was ”Thinking”
Mate in 11!
The EU has no jurisdiction over UK matters of sovereignty, the complaint is purely regarding trade. I've no idea why Argentina's government has not understood this, perhaps they forget the Lisbon Treaty states the islands belong to the UK and, after all the fuss of getting the treaty signed originally, there's no way we're going to vote to edit it now because of a small regional squabble.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 The is no treaty change, I think this exultation is for the home audience who probably don't understand economics. It's just their way to pretend to the locals that they're getting somewhere, whereas the reality is.. they're not.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The EU will ultimately just have to tell them if they want to trade, they need to quit the nonsense. Argentina will then not quit the nonsense, and elements of trade will cease. Trade will go elsewhere, and then Argentina will pick and choose her trading partners, i.e. China, Brazil, etc.
Nothing really changes, just more whinging.
You are getting old THink. Argentina is no further forward now than it was 12 months ago. The Falklands are getting more headlines, but then the Islanders are getting more sympathy.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 011 moves you say :-)
Will I live long enough ?
At what P value Think?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h398/antmarobel/despreocupado.gif
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0(20) Mr. Lorton
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
Will I live long enough ?
I say:
Well....
That's quite irrelevant for the Malvinas issue.
Isn't it?
(21) Beef
You ask:
At what P value?
I say:
Just detract ~30% of your guess.
What Argentina also fails to realise is that the EU is treaty bound to take britains side after all it was argentia that instigated the block on trade with the UK. This would lead to EU nations banning argentine trade, but not only that, it will have a very likely damaging effect on mercosurs attempts to sign a trade deal with the EU as a whole. So i have no doubt that brazil and other Mercosur countries, will be very unhappy with argentinas latests moves, especailly when Argentina have completely misread the what the meaning of the UK taking it to the EU is, i.e. ban our trade and we will ban your trade in with not just the UK but with the EU two. The EU trade department has no mediation power over sovereignty disputes, neither does the EU itself. All EU nations are legally obligated to respect the islanders rights to self determination and as the islands are listed under the lisbon treaty then all EU nations are legall obligated to protect the islands from unlawful economic bloackades and unlawful trade boycotts as well as against any from of unilateral aggression or attack.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You also seem to be forgetting that argentina is in deep water with the international maritime organisation for their unlawful actions in turning away two cruise liners under the british red ensign over the weekend, this means your ports could be black listed, and argentina being heavily fined.
Argentina is also forgetting that the UK can also take this issue directly to the UN, and say is this argentinas idea of “give peace a chance”? Clearly it was not. And we can push for sanctions against argentina in the UN not just for banning of uk trade, but also for non repayment of its debts. We could even have you kicked out of the G20 and other organisations.
Why 30%. I thought there was going to be no oil. Have you made a U-turn?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You turn if you want to, the Beef is not for turning.
If these bully boy...erm girl tactics continue it will end in tears for sure. Argentine tears that is! Britain is behaving with dignity and keeping cool at the moment by allowing Argentina to make a mammouth prat of itself in the eyes of the world. The desperation being shown is staggering. Don't push Britain much more, if the gloves come off, look out Argentina you will learn to hate CFK more than some of the bloggers here hate the UK. If they think that by highlighting their agenda with the EU, other SA Nations the USA by these kind of trade disputes and embargoes will push the UK into talks they are mad. The UK are clear about their stance and all their business partners all over the globe will be backing the UK...money speaks very loud and Argentina has a very hushed position globally in commerse compared with the UK. Freeking idiots!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Think, hes got dementia.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now l feel bad about all the nasty(but true)things l said about him.
You have my sympathy, Think.
(l am not being sarcastic, l've seen poor people with dementia & its demeaning & soul destroying).
This is all I have to say on the issue (http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/150/643/ArgentinaLatino.png)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re the oil.... even if K.F.C. Bucketcrunt de Lubralips was handed the Falklands on a plate today Argentina would still be stuffed.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0With intelligent management the oil may be on the market in 3 or 4 years... with RG mismanagement? .... pick a number ... any number ....on the high side of 20.....
Oh wait.. I have this to say on the issue too (http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/134/836/Argentina.png)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Greek where did you get those pictures? I quite like them.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Okay a question for the forum. Things are getting progressingly worse. Where do people honestly see this going?
Could it lead to a military dispure? In which case who do you think would act first and why?
Could it lead to real sanctions which are hard hitting from both countries? and what extent would these sanctions be? and the organisations/nations sactioning them
What do you think Argentinas next move will be? I only ask about the RG as they are the protaganists.
Please sensible replies. I really like to hear about this. I love reading the debates. I fully understand the issue. However I don't have the knowledge, experience, or intellect in this area to make a rational, probable prediction on the matters.
@31 this isn't the only forum that has been ravaged by the hypocrisy of the Argies. These pics typically all come from 4chan forum /int/ where you can gather the argies spend a great deal of time ranting on about 'malvinas argentinas' and conveniently forgetting the fact that they're all white because they killed all their local indians, and follow the fascist rantings of Hitler, sorry, Peron.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is not the only forum to have been bespoiled by Argies and neither will it be the last.
@26. Argentina's behaviour is a bit like when a child pulls a dog's tail. Sooner or later the dog will get pissed off and bite them on the arse!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could someone please explain to me why the Argentinians see Britain consulting the EU as a good thing for them? We are a leading member of the EU, and there are several members of the EU who have been overtly supportive of us in this issue. Are the Argentines deluded? All that will happen is that their trade will suffer and they will get even poorer than they already are...
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is too gorgeous for words, even the American ambassador to the UK on radio 4 this morning said the current behavior of Argentina is baffling and embarrassing and is primarily aimed at distracting the Argentine population with populist nationalist sentiment since the Argie economy it is now credibly known is running a massive deficit and has absolutely emptied its reserves, corruption is rampant and the bloody kirchner clan have their fingers in every pie!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must say it was a stroke of national genius when a bunch belligerent public sector workers managed to deprive Ushia of 5,000 tourists, and now the trade minister seems to be doing the opposite of what her office is for and is doing her damdest to deprive Argentine business's of the UK market.....you couldn't even make it up, its like a production of a carry on movie on a grand scale :)
@34 Their foreign representatives are complete amateurs. They don't know when they're showing the UN an educational establishment's weather radar and apparently they don't really know what the EU is all about. The UK raising this at the EU is serious business for them, but they don't seem to understand this and want to turn it into an 'internal message' that they're getting somewhere with getting the UK to negotiate. The 'external message' is one of complete incompetence on their part.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35 I know, it's hilariously delicious to watch the Argies follow this strategy. They simply have no reserves left, and continue to blame everyone else, as Mrs Christina Turkeyneck, Fat Nestor and Not-lady Gaga sit and throw dollars around buying property.
I knew it was going to be a good week for being entertained by Argentina.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine how much better it's going to be next week.
GreekYoghurt,
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you Jeremy Clarkson?
When I read your posts I always seem to read them in his voice.
@38 Gosh, I cannot stand that chap, let alone his curious 'Car' friends, and their seemingly unwatchable tv show 'Car Love', where they drive around in cars, constantly talking about how much they love driving and cars. It's about as interesting as watching someone eat. Have I turned into the TV personality that I most dislike after Jamie 'so very very bland and yet curiously rich' Oliver?? That's the kind of offensive thought that could keep me awake at night.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 038# LOL
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Some say she drinks gasoline for breakfast and pours motor oil on her pancakes. All we know is, she's called Cristina.”
Some say it's impossible for her to wear socks, and she can open a beer bottle with her testes! All we know is, she's called Cristina.
The EU and Mercosur can analyse all they like. Makes no difference. The EU cannot force Britain to give the Falkland Islands to argieland.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0In other news, British taxpayers are calling for Britain-sourced EU aid to argieland to be halted. Depriving argieland of £27 million a year. Also calling for the British government to “recommend” to cruise lines to avoid stops in argieland. Stops to be relocated to Uruguay and Chile so that argies can watch cruise ships docking in another country.
Perhaps it's time to cease offering currency exchanges involving the argie (crap) peso. It's not as though it's worth as much as bog paper.
Twinky is, of course, a paid argie government employee. Watch for the long gaps while he consults his superiors on what to say next.
There is, of course, the British comedy act called The Chuckle Brothers. Tin Man and the Chav, anyone?
Anybody noticed that Twinky's posts are getting less relevant and more desperate?
Message for argie bloggers: The gloves are coming off, girlies. There are some things that you haven't taken into account. As most nations know, by and large, Britons and Britain are honest. A claim argieland could never put forward. Over many years, Britain has defended, and Britons have fought and died for, many peoples around the world. Argieland can't say the same. For these reasons, and others, argieland cannot win. You have nothing except mendaciousness, obfuscation and rhetorical tautology. Not to mention idealogical inexactitudes.
In other words, you are already dead meat. We (Britain) have no objection to turning you into real dead meat. What fun! You can't really “touch” us, but we can more than “touch” you.
Try to be sensible. The Falkland Islands are not yours. They have never been yours. They never will be yours. You have no idea how painful CFK's “plans” will make your lives. Sensible suggestion. Grow up!
What I want to know is, how do you get from....
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The European Union will begin the appropriate diplomatic proceedings with the aim of clarifying the legitimate trade concerns” EU Trade spokesman John Clancy assured.
to.....
''Argentina is pleased to see that the UK government has finally resorted to an international organization to find a diplomatic solution to the Malvinas issue.''
Has it? I can't find any evidence at all that suggests that anyone apart from Argentina is talking about the 'Malvinas issue'.
Well, just when you think they can't get any more bizarre, they do. Just waiting in awe to see what they will come up with next. It's all quite fascinating actually.
All the Falklands news is a distraction from the big event coming up. Another devaluation of the peso. Oops the Peronists did it again, i.e. confiscate the earnings of the middle class.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 013 Xect (#)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:51 am
Such epic stupidity of the Argentine government.
This clearly gives the UK a pretext to bring trade sanctions against Argentina which would severely damage its collapsing economy.
Bingo!
Jim Rogers once said that “No one wins trade wars.” But he was talking about powerful countries in general and about China and the US in particular (Obama was dumb enough to start one and found out).
But Rogers, and no other Financial adviser, consultant, etc. would ever take seriously a trade war between an economically powerful country and one that is not.
But if they knew that the country that was not economically powerful was the one that actually started the trade war they would either think it was some kind of joke or attribute it to some kind of brain disease.
And yet, Argentina has started one with China, with the EU, and now with the UK.
Left-wing soap-box preaching rock stars and actors like Penn and Waters might think that “Malvinas belongs to Argentina”, etc. but that has nothing to do with what is infinitely more important anywhere in the world, ie;
The exchange of goods and services.
Because it is this that puts bread on the table and pays the rent!
Not the words of pop culture icons who don't give a damn at the end of the day about either country. They live in a world of abstractions and distractions.
Food and Shelter are not abstractions.
Argentina's representatives are psychotically arrogant and profoundly mediocre and positively obnoxious. They are plebians. “Philistine to the core”, as Paul Theroux once said of them.
Or, as the Americans like to say, “They're low-lifes.”
But, make no mistake about it.
Argentina is a country of the future.
But the Argentine people are not a people of the future.
And the reason is, well one anyway, is that the Argentine people are not capable of genuine self-interest, particularly when it comes to the business, exactly because they are too childish and arrogant.
@42 Neither of us speak spanish, and therefore we're not poor. So I doubt we'd ever understand. Maybe it's a poor or spanish speaking thing where you take one sentence and then replace it with another sentence of completely different meaning.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARG.gov probably think The Falkland Islands are a 'trade concern' that need clarifying. But in the meantime, here's a joke:
A small girl runs into her parents room in the middle of the night looking frightened and her mother says “what did you see? did you see a ghost?” and the girl says “no, it was whiter than a ghost, it was an Argentinian”.
From a different posting:
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Unasur, Mercosur and Parlasur are all 'partially alive' organisations - 'the living dead'.
Not everybody - or every country - is so afflicted but *one nation*, in particular, has made these supra-national organisations so.
Brasil within Unasur, Mercosur and Parlasur is a bit like Simon Pegg in Shaun Of The Dead - moving through the zombie traps of his environment, trying not to get sucked in to join the living dead.”
The EU would be similarly advised to deal with the living;
avoiding, like the plague, the zombies.
Hmmm, lets think about this...
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands (being a British Overseas Territory) are counted as an Overseas Country and Territory by the EU under the Treaty of Rome, as are all of the non-European BOTs (except Bermuda, which exercised it's right not to be).
All Citizens of BOTs (including Bermuda) are EU Citizens.
Argentina thinks that by acting as a combination screech-box and hazard to navigation it is going to be better able to influence the EU than its own citizens?
If so, let me know, I've got this very nice bridge that I'd love to sell to them...
Oh dear, oh dear
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinian's are now acting like the weedy little kid in the play ground, running to Tell the teacher that “It's not Fair!” thinking that the kid who shouts the loudest is right, no matter what.
All the sane people on this planet are just looking on all of this thinking “What new ways can they find to embarrass themselves on the world stage?”
Certainly this whole “we want our Islands back” situation has provided no end of sh*ts and giggles for me.
They should keep it up, it always brings a smile to my face and brightens up my day to see the RG's acting like children and be told to “grow up” by the rest of the international community!
@47 So the cost of Soy and Dulce de Leche goes up... oh well.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One day I'm going to wake up and find that there are no more Argentine joke statements from their government to read; that will be sad.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today is a good day, another ludicrous outburst from The Botox Queens minions.
Keep them coming...
#26: “you will learn to hate CFK more than some of the bloggers here hate the UK.”
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 046% of Argie voters (myself included) already hate her guts. And I must add a significant and growing share of the other 54% is learning to regret voting for her.
I believe that this is a significant bit of blackmail.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The EU and Mercosur are expected to move and finalise a huge bi-continental trade deal during the year.
Argentina knows it can scupper this deal for years for the 35 countries involved, and arrest the development of the Mercosur South American countries.
It is willing to increasingly damage its own interests by so doing.
Only Brasil can, through trade, cause the Argentinians to stop hurting South America's development.
Brasil can destroy Mercosur by creating a deal - *without Argentina* - with the EU or with separate EU states. Not a preferred course of action, but one which is becoming the way of trading life across South America.
Perhaps the days of CAN and Mercosur are already over.
Nations of the world deal with what is the reality on the ground, not what they would wish it to be.
We shall have to wait and see if the nations of the southern cone allow Argentina to drag them all over the precipice.
EU must stop Soy imports immediately to get this to work. Arg soy will drop like a rock China and India will buy on the cheap and Argentina will be ruined. It can all happen in 3 months but they have to do it now while the Soy is being harvested. Otherwise it will drag out for another year.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is weak and getting weaker every day. Think is about as dumb as they come and likes to play the game on here while he watches his country fall into madness. Once the crash happens he will disappear in shame.
@52,53 It's likely the EU is going to have to act. If it actually cuts all Soy imports, then I'd be surprised.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's more likely to just dump the Mercosur treaty and just agree trade with sensible nations like Brazil and Chile. No point entering into free trade agreement with a country that doesn't know free trade.
I note that the Argentines are now aggravating Spain as well:
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/03/01/spain-argentina-ypf-idUKL5E8E127M20120301
The economy of the Argentine must be simply shot to bits. It sounds like a canny principle to try and avoid loans and be self sufficient but unfortunately here in the real world - it doesnt work.
The Argentine Government has sold everything, ripped everything off it can do and is now antagonising not just the UK but the likes of the USA, Spain, Uruguay and no doubt others. Not only that but what has it done with all the money? The train system is obviously knackered with a complete lack of investment for what seems like decades.
Its a very strange nation and a very strange and arrogant way of going on.
How long will this go on before the truth about their economy is laid on the table for everyone too see? How long before other nations such as the USA get sick of them and take action at the World Bank?
It cant be long.
@52 I think we have seen Brazil running out of patience with its 'difficult' neighbour. Ultimately money wins and Brazil will make the trade agreements it benefits from.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ugh. I take no pleasure from watching CFKC destroy Argentina.
@56
Mar 01st, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm now of an opinion that the Argentines cant see the wood from the trees. I'm really not sure that they can connect the dots and see how all of these individual little examples play out with the wider world.
You can tell that the cronies in her government have no experience of real politics. They only know of their internal system of bullying and taking what isnt theirs.
At what point will the Argentine people themselves say “enough is enough” of this crap?
This is a Trade issue and the EU will need to become involved.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether the US ever actually landed on the moon, the existence of the Loch Ness Monster, Eva Perons after death sexual experiences and any other similar type claims are unlikely to be considered.
This is stupid the people who live on the islands have a right to be left alone.l
Mar 01st, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina ignoring or claiming they have no rights or are held their by a garrison at gun point :)
Is silly the odd threat gives the Uk government it's last grasp of imperial power as even the Argentinians admit they are no match for Britsh military power.
Whoops! It seems that, to all intents and purposes, argieland is DEAD. Nobody of any significance paying any attention to argie propaganda. Argieland is finished! No money. No viable industry. No acceptable imports or exports. No possibility of international loans. No chance. Not to mention an incredible number of incompetent “leaders”.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Las Malvinas' and 'Argentina' are religions for the Argentines. Its not about rational thought. Its about feeling. Probably why they love so much (lefty 'feeling' ) international 'artists' (Penn and Waters) supporting their claim to 'Las Malvinas'. These combined with the (latin) male pysche that runs through the culture renders Argentina unable to admit error and thus learn from these errors nor learn from others and thus move forward in the world. It could and should have done a Germany or Japan after Galtieri and totally turned things round by now. Its democracy and economy should be so much better than they are. Perhaps people dont go missing anymore for having opposing views to the goverment but in every other way - corruption, yo yoing economy, poverty etc seem to be pretty much on a par with the dictator days. It seems being Argentinian is more important than believing in true democracy. And don't you dare be unpatriotic!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 This is very true. There is no 'one type of government fits all' when one has to consider the psyche of the population. They believe if they flaut laws they are free, socialist and a bit wooooo. They like the ideas of laws but don't think they should apply to them.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, Argentines are inclined to travel a lot more and if you speak to people that have experience life outside of the country, they start to view things differently. One of my friends recently moaned about her country being trapped in a time warp whilst the rest of the world has moved on. (She spent 3 years at a Scottish University). Maybe that is why the government seems to want to cut off Argentines from the wider world.
@61
Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe it's because people want to be patriotic?
People wants to be patriotic. People is patriotic. And one of the basics in Argentine patriotism recovering the Islands.
The question is, is worth the pride cost to resign to our desire and mission for the Islands? It's not like we will suddenly pull a Switzerland because of it. It's not in our culture and way of doing things. And changing our very basics of how we face life and work are very unlikely to happen.
I have read many books explaining why and I came to understand how our culture, our roots makes us what we are.
Most people would rather be Argentine and live under the worst dictatorship than not being Argentine at all(loosing Argentine citizenship and right to express our culture) and live in the best democracy. Most would have left if it wasn't like this.
Cristina lives in her own world
Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/94117/only-connect
from Clarin but translated...so either they can buy LNG from BP or freeze...I think freeze is better for everyone....
Mar 01st, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of the 53 cargoes of LNG ENARSA hired this year, 5 were awarded to British Petroleum (BP). In total, the provision of those shipments destined for regasification vessel Bahia Blanca involve a payout to the British oil company $ 225 million.
Of the 5 charges involved, one was delivered on 12 February, while the remaining four have arrival dates between May and November.
If the government takes back the threat of trade boycott British imports, which most likely outstanding cargoes of LNG from reaching the country and have to find another supplier of trouble.
The Falklands are doing very well indeed: even the penguins are now wearing bow ties.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here in the falklands we eat naught but the best quality meat and vegetables, and although we lack eggs and bananas, we compensate with those tiers of cakes like one would order at Fortnum & Masons. We then sit by the fire and toast our toes through the winter months, and drink tea as if there were no tomorrow.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame about those argies turning away ships and pushing bolivians under trains, but quite frankly I couldn't give a hoot.
I will say this:
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All of you do realise that argentines don't care a crap what Europe, the USA, Asia or the rest of Latin America thinks of us right? Never have.
I don't. That's not out of lack of respect for the rest of the world, it is out of self-respect for ourselves.
This DOES NOT mean people like myself and many others don't realize or understand CFK is dragging us in a wrong direction with short-sighted policies, and that many of you are correct in your assessments. But the more the rest of the world contems and derides Argentina with commentary like the one you read here by foreigners, the less things will change. Because you naturally trigger a self-defense mechanism.
We all have it: if you are criticized from all directions at once, you will rectract to a defense shell. So if you really want things to change in Argentina, then you would adopt a different strategy.
Most countries usually don't take well criticism from outsiders.
@68
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But the more the rest of the world contems and derides Argentina with commentary like the one you read here by foreigners, the less things will change. Because you naturally trigger a self-defense mechanism.
We all have it: if you are criticized from all directions at once, you will rectract to a defense shell. So if you really want things to change in Argentina, then you would adopt a different strategy.
Most countries usually don't take well criticism from outsiders”.
Tobias, quite. Maybe you and your Government would like to reflect on that for a while substituting Argentina with words like UK and Falklands.
“English pirate ships are prohibited from mooring”
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16178452
Cestrian,
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is not criticized from all over the world over the Falklands.
I think a better example would be the UK vs Eurozone showdown last year. The more the other 26 countries pushed the financial tax issue, the more defensive the UK became and eventually was alone in their against-vote. And the EU was divided.
That is a good example of this phenomenon. When you put a country in a corner, you won't get the outcome desired 99% of the time.
@70 - this is old new Marcos. Keep up at the back.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW what do you think people's reaction is when they read the Argentines calling sovereign nations “pirates” and buring their flags.
Genuinely interested whether you think that this is the sort of language and actions that will bring you respect or is such talk and action for internal consumption only ie it makes you feel better?
@68 No one expects Argentinians to change, they're still going to be whinging about pirates, getting their hair styled into a mullet or harassing some jews. But like Argentina's BFF North Korea, they'll become more and more isolated, and people won't really go there other to stare at them in poverty.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another thing that's not going to change is the ownership of the Falkland Islands, because let's face it, no one hands over part of the anglosphere (rich) to the spanosphere (poor).
@73
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you infer why would the Falkland Islanders want to jump into bed with the Argentines (if I can put it like that) when they look at the way they go on, the rampant corruption etc.?
they simply wouldnt.
I reckon that if by some Act Of God they did get the FI within about 5 years the place would be desolate, wrecked and no one would live there. I just cant see any Argentine wanting to live there when they see what its like ie you have to be a certain type of hardy person to live there i would imagine and I dont see such an attribute in the average Argentine.
No football, no tango dancing, no place to riot etc.
As nothing the CFK gov has done to date has worked (in their favour anyway), then the only option left to them was to “up the anti” once again, good time to hand them the cube if it were backgammon.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 JuanStanic
“one of the basics in Argentine patriotism recovering the Islands.”
This is a problem entirely of your own making, try not teaching your population a North Korean style propaganda version of history, from and early age.
In a few years you will find the problem starts to abate.
@74 ... and no bolivians or non-white people for them to push under trains.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are sovereign, we are free to buy and sell to whoever you want ... you do the same .... our biggest customer is China ....
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0our economy is good, as most of our neighbors ....
q to be long but we are on right track ...
Remember that Europe is in deep crisis
Oh yes, because Argentine Patagonia is so fair and equable in climate. Argentina south of Rio Negro makes the Falklands look like the Maldives.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(and Chilean Patagonia has its weather tempered by the Pacific).
After that scintilla of realism, Greek and Cestrian may return to their oral toilet discharges.
Tobias is right - which is why I wish posters supporting the Falklanders would be a bit more rational with their posts at times.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Change is only going to come from within Argentina and lumping your average Argentine into the same group as the total nutters simply polarises their attitude to defend their country.
I'm sure 99% of Argentines would like the Falklands to become sovereign Argentine territory but I'd guess a proportion realise it's not actually going to happen and an even larger proportion than that realise it is not going to happen as a result of the current policies of the Argentine government.
“As usual the President remembered her late husband and former president, Néstor Kirchner, and after almost breaking into tears said: ”Sometimes I doubt whether I should continue as President or not”
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont we all!
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/94174/cfk-defends-subsidy-scheme-praises-argentinas-economic-growth-in-congressional-opening-speech-
@78,79 I've got a good idea for change. Why don't they just speak English. Everyone knows that English speaking countries are rich and generally make sense politically.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a good start at least.
@tobias.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you, the sooner CFK goes, the better for all parties concerned, you and us.
Do you think she could win another term, or are there constitional limits on how many times you can run for office in Argentina?
If she got another term I could see this turning into a full on cold war.
@82 You've got it wrong. It's not about CFK or such, it's about the whole political culture. They are all Peronist, and Peronism is their problem. Until you cut out the cancer that is Peronism from their political spectrum, then you're utterly furked whoever is in power.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vote out CFK and another peron-clone will rise to take her place. That's their problem.
#82 “Do you think she could win another term, or are there constitional limits on how many times you can run for office in Argentina?”
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She can't run for another term. The 1994 constitution allows only two consecutive terms. However, the peronists don't give a damn about constitutional rights and republican institutions; the fascist dictator himself “reformed” the constitution in 1949 to allow arbitrary reelections. They might try to pull the same stunt now.
Cheers.
President Kirchnir plays a cunning game. She knows that Britain will refer to the EU so she is using it as a lever to challenge Britain to have the whole dispute discussed at Brussels - and of course spain is a key member and traditionally supports the EU elite and they will not risk upsetting spain by support for britain so any discussion in the euro parliament will be automatically slanted against britain.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said before - argentina has a very clever president in this lady.
Haha dreyfoss or should I say duffus?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The game is about as smart as Argentina has proven itself in the UN (I.e. not at all).
Spain has issued a great deal of complaints against Argentina recently and now Argentina is going to steal YPF from Spain, so you really think this is a well thought out game? Thats about as likely as me winning the lottery!
Not to mention Spain is in dire support of Britain, France and Germany right now to keep its economy from collapsing so the risk of Spain going against Britain is infinitely small. Argentina could absolutely of not picked a worse time to seek Spanish support.
Not that matters since the EU does not discuss territorial disputes, it's about trade and just to make matters even worse the EU treaty states that the Falkland Islands are a BOT and supports them.
Your smart lady is actually a bit of a dunce it would appear with the recent embarrassment she's caused the Argentine people.
@85,86 Argentina has just done something very silly, which is to take its money worries beyond the USA. The USA is thoroughly annoyed with Argentina basically being BFF with North Korea and shafting lots of people out of cash.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were also aware the UK was never going to give way, and the EU is not the place for sovereignty negotiations. So they're pushing for a negotiation on something unachievable, maybe trade related, hoping that we'll give way to something smaller but achievable ... of which no one knows what this smaller but achievable thing is.
This could all play out in a slightly different way to what we expected.
Argentina to trade or not UK or the Malvinas, does not harm the country,
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are now self-sufficient, can distill their oil and get their fuel
make greenhouse with Heating and get fruits and vegetables
calefacionar chicken creaderos
so are self-sustaining
85 Dental floss, are you being deliberately thick, or where you born special?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“President Kirchnir plays a cunning game”
Understatement of the year alert! Are you really certain that denying your own country one of its biggest markets for exports is playing a cunning game? LOL
As for Spain, your country has harassed their fishing vessels, and trying to deprive them of their major source of income, oh yes and the small matter of trying to pull a Hugo Chavez and wrestle control of YPF.
OH yes lets not forget the small matter that Spain is in a massive debt crisis and the EU elite (France and Germany) ain't going to listen to a country which is in danger of sinking of them, and likewise Spain ain't going to upset the only body able to rescue them :)
OOPs dental floss, you might have to reevaluate your grasp of international politics, may I suggest building sandcastles as a new hobby instead, currently your attempt at reading the situation is quite embarrassing, (where you schooled by Twitterman perhaps?)
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/02/re-re-election-rattling-cristina-fernandez-needs-a-third-term-in-office
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0President to amend constitution so she can stay in power longer? Already being mooted.
A new variant of the Kirchner gambit
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Cristina-Malvinas-partan-territorio-argentino_0_655734652.html
Chuckle chuckle©
Re FCKs latest idea of 3 flights per week from BA to Mount Pleasant; she might have got Cameron down as a bit of a simpleton who will grasp at any sign of goodwill but when Tinman gets referred to the Falklands Islands Government I think that bright idea will get rethought very quickly.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, they said “we want more flights” now you can have three a week :-)
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's your excuse now? Is Mike Summers coming to visit the capital of Malvinas, Buenos Aires?
@ 93
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In this case, Marcos, it takes three to tango including the Falkland Islands Government. Could FCK and Tinman stomach negotiating with the FIG on the same table. I think not !
Argentina would benefit from being run by the FIG.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 086 Xect
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 GreekYoghurt
You prove your ignorance here very clearly, so I will try to explain it for the benefit of both of you as simply as possible.
spain has a key vote in the eu.
spain is traditionally one of the largest beneficiaries of the CAP and other EU subsidies and grants.
As a consequence of this comfortable relationship, the EU ruling elite has always taken for granted the spanish vote in support of all of their hair-brained schemes because of the quid pro quo, ergo: spain does as its told - rather like ireland and now greece.
spain will need further substantial support from the eu soon possibly in the form of bail-out money or debt defaults which will be an added incentive for spain to to toe the line when it comes to EU policy.
spain also has a sovereignty dispute with britain over gibraltar and the EU ruling dynasty will bear this strongly in mind when it comes to considering britain's appeal for support in its dispute with argentina which means that it is very unlikely that the unelected, unanswerable hegemenous technocratic cartel at the centre of the EU will risk antagonising one of the key players in their policy making strategy.
Then there is the fact that britain is not presently very popular in the EU due to britain's resistance to the german/french proposals to regulate the banking industry and speculative investments in vital commodities via the european stock markets, and then there is of course britain's opposition to the greek bail-out.
Then there is the fact that britain isn't even what is considered to be a full member of the Eu which doesnt help britain when asking for it's support.
And finally - britain will expect automatic support from the EU in the form of military assistance should a conflict arise in the south atlantic but expecting this support and receiving it are two very different matters.
Kirchnir knows all this but you obviously do not...
@ 93 Cristina did that only because she sees now that her tantrums are making this even more dangerous than she ever thought. Who are you trying to convince of your lies #93? There isn't any excuse, the Falklands are British. Where do you see an excuse?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know that the EU has already criticized britain for breaching the 1976 south america non nuclear proliferation treaty?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes - britain signed it which is probably why the british government will not admit to having a nuclear sub in the region.
Apparently Cristina's recent comments of re-establishing flights from Buenos Aires to the Falkland Islands are just pure baloney to hide the fact that the islanders are already finding alternatives routes to travel back and forth from their territories. The Falklands government should now call for a referendum in order to assert its condition of a sovereign state.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'96
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Youre living in a dream world.
Lets make this clear to you - The Falklands Islands has never been Argentine, it isnt and due to your presidents histrionics it never will be. If you ever had an opportunity to negotiate this you lost it 30 years ago.
Once upon a time ie prior to 1982 about 2% of the Uk population had heard of the FI. Now thanks to your bleating, crying, threatening, stamping of feet and war mongering 100% of the Uk knows about the FI.
that is probably the worst news for you because you will never get your hands on it now. It would quite simply be political suicide for any UK government to give you any encouragement. Internationally we would be a laughing stock.
I hope that the Argentines are told to shove their offer of 3 flights per week and also hope that the drilling for oil starts very soon and the Argentines are sent a nice glossy picture of the rigs.
@ wanklord
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands' government could notr possibly afford to fund a direct air-link to the uk . What you actually mean is that the Islands' government is asking the MOD to fund extra flights in addition to those that presently link the islands to the uk?
If this is what is actually happening then it will not be popular with the uk taxpayer as the MOD will have to apply to the treasury for extra funding.
@ 96
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the simpleton here. Sarkozy is going to get kicked out of the French Presidency in approximately 6 weeks time so one half of the Merkozy team will vanish.Merkel is in deep shit politically with her own party and is living on borrowed time no matter how powerful her and Germany look at the moment.
The Euro politicians are all hanging together as they prefer that to 'hanging separately'. Britain as a country is actually very popular amongst the ordinary Europeans ; especially those in Greece,Italy ,Portugal and East Europe; those which are fearing the new German jackboot( Google Der Spiegel to see how much the Greek people love the Germans) The Greek rescue is a non starter and the markets have already factored in a Greek default because no country can grow out of that type of financial mess by shrinking the economy by 25%.
Finally there is not going to be a conflict in the south Atlantic as Argentina has not got the 'cojones' to take on Britain ,either alone or with its pals (Venezuela -dont make me laugh). It has also not got the equipment or quality of personnel.
Sorry to put some facts in front of you .I know Argies dont like admitting the truth.
To Dreyfoss/Think and all other Argentine folks on here. She must be totally off the trolley now!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. To think that after 9 years of a flights ban on the Islands with the specific aim of strangling us - she thinks for 1 minute that we would accept a direct flight by AA from BA - that will definatley be at a sunsidized fare to compete with and force Lan to loose money and withdraw - then of course they would have us in a corner! She is totally dumb if she thinks for 1 minute we would fall for that!
2- to operate a flight here from Argentina, Argentina has to open communications with_ not London - BUT - with the Department of Civil Aviation,Falkland Islands Govt. Oh dear they say such a Govt does not exist!! Ooops - end of flight negotiations!
3 She forgets that FI offerred Arg an Open Skies Policy in 2003 - they want flights in from Arg - Ok we said -yes lets have any flight in from ANYWHERE.
Ooops - she and her husband did not like it!
@101
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite simply I would imagine that the FI are very happy with the current flight arrangements. Why should they change them? I would doubt that they require 3 flights per week from BA.
Hopefully the Falklands Islands Government in their short discussion with the Argentine government will say this.
Yippie Ki-Yay….. Cristina
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really like the team of “New Thinkers” advising President Kirchner….
The English don’t know what’s hitting them……
Chuckle chuckle®
@100 The Cestrian
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old Dental Floss is certainly not living in the real world, if he thinks Spain ”one of the key players in EU policy making strategy.
@96 It was too long and boring to read what you typed. You really need to try to be a little less wordy. I read the last sentence though. We'd probably just need to borrow a French carrier, then we'd be fine. I'm sure our French friends wouldn't object, because let's face it, you don't mean anything to the French.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of Story.
The Foreign Office has just said that flights to the Falkland Islands from BA are a matter for the FIG. Tinman had better get his passport ready if he is going to fly to Stanley to negotiate.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@105 - think again. This is not an issue for the British Govt. (there is no such thing as an English government).
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Foreign Office responded in a statement: “Any discussions on flights to the Falkland Islands are matters for the Falkland Islands Government to consider.”
“If Argentina is keen to promote air links between the continent and the Islands it should reconsider its ban on charter flights through its airspace,” it said. “President Kirchner's current policy of seeking to isolate and dictate to the Falkland Islanders - from the harassment of fishing vessels to the closure of shipping ports - is indefensible and will not succeed.”
The Foreign Office said any Argentine pressure to stop the current flights “would be deeply disappointing and utterly unjustifiable.”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/01/2669689/argentine-president-seeks-new.html#storylink=cpy
@109 So she's going to offer 3 flights from BA and then cut the LAN flights? or just make them not commercially viable? I wouldn't fly with Argentinian Plummet Airlines if their planes are anything like their trains. Besides, it's quite within the rights of the FIG to just tell them to bugger off and not be flying into mount pleasant airport... probably Stanley airport. they did build it, so it's only fair.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is simply too mercurial, does she have bipolarity issues?
@110
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The woman is clearly a nutcase.
I'm assuming that the FI will simply tell her that they are happy with the current flight arrangement or will ask for something much more than the Argentine Govt can give. however the Argentines have now backed themselves into another corner by knowing that they will have to sit down and talk to the FIG on this issue.
the UK govt is starting to play a blinder here. Bringing in the FIG into this one was a superb move. the Argentines will do this through gritted teeth and if they dont meet then they will look totally stupid yet again.
whats fascinating is that the Argentines are simply desperate, almost begging to sit down and give themselves credibility by meeting with UK officials. Its a bit like the N Korea situation where they are desperate to sit down with the Yanks.
Dreyfoss all I can say at the Spain argument is wow, that is draw droopingly bizarre logic.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The EU will bare in mind the Gibraltar question when voting on sanctions against Argentina? That is truly mind blowingly ridiculous.
Let me help you. the EU does not decide sovereignty issues and in the same way it will also not consider anything to do with Gibraltar when Britain questions the Argentine decision, the two are not linked.
As for Spain, well it has to do as its told since it can't fund its own country.
And guess who is one of the top 5 providers to the EU oh yes that will be Britain who is most certainly entrenched in the elite.
The tax on financial dealings vote that the UK moved against actually turned out as a political victory after Germany ended up begging the UK to stay part of the EU. It is clear the EU could not survive at this present time without the UK financial support.
So if the UK seeks sanctions against Argentina for breaching EU rules then it will be something that the UK could expect to happen and Spain given its current views of Argentina is extraordinarily likely to accept because if it doesn't the UK can then punish Spain financially.
This is fabulous stuff. I'm thoroughly enjoying this. This is like voyeurism but only better! Its a fabulous insight into the ineptitude of the RG Govt.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government and particularly its President are complete political pgymies. She really isnt fit to hold any sort of public office and should be a filing clerk somewhere in Patagonia.
At some point she'll fly off to Cuba or Venezuela and see her days out there - with her very large bag of money. Either of those countries deserve her.
@111 Well, I addressed the similiarities in the Argentinian and (their BFF) North Korean negotiation tactics, where they use rhetoric like 'pirates' or 'western running dogs' or 'paper tigers' or 'usurpers', then both demand something unachievable before any negotiation and then everyone says 'no'.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recently the DPRK folks came up with a list of things that ROK had to agree to (completely ridiculous), and in a similar fashion the ARG.gov came up with demands to have the falklands back (completely ridiculous).
They're all completely unachievable demands, and this new flights thing is like DPRK saying they'll let a 3 flights a week go from Pyongyang to Seoul, when really everyone wants to go from Beijing to Seoul, and not bother with Pyongyang at all ('tis a shyte place).
So I'd expect the FIG to tell her to open her skies to all flight traffic or get stuffed.
Do you remember how David Bowie used to write lyrics by putting together random sentences? I imagine that is how policy is decided in CFKC's government. That is when she isn't rolled up in a ball on the bathroom floor crying over having to be President. She is not up to the job and should get out while she has an ounce of santiy left.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@114
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
I now await a statement from the FIG with great interest. This is getting comical now. The Argentines just look weak as dish water and are being slapped about the face with impunity by diplomatic masters like the UK.
To now have the FIG on the verge of giving them a huge slap as well is absolutely top notch. The Macho Argentines brought to heel by 3,500 FI.
BTW where are Think and Dreyfuss? they seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden.
I have to wonder whether this is all pre-planned or is it all just made up as she goes along.... it is really truly amazing.....but very entertaining.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know we shouldn't do it but is hard not to mock the poor woman....
silly cow...
Is the Argentine economy so broken ? Is the corruption so deep ? Is the social convivence so bad ? I mean, the way of action from the Argentine Gvt. shows that they are in the worst condition in all that matters....no other explanation you can find to a so erratic behaviour from a Gvt., except they are smoking the Paraguayan weed or some hardest pot....,you know.....!!!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some years ago and for long time they used to claim for sovereignity over Chilean territories to hide their internal problems each time they had them until my Captain General Augusto Pinochet stopped them facing their treats with the same tool (if you want fight, then we will fight)....from then on they changed their view to the East, over the Falklands Islands with a painful lost war but knowing that if they don´t invade again the UK won´t be a treat
@117 - its definitely made up on the hoof.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The woman has fortunately lost all ability too see the world through any eyes but her own. She and her government are massively arrogant particularly over an issue where she holds absolutely no cards whatsoever.
The UK Government is picking her off at will. Very soon the FIG will be too. Its massively embarrassing to see a country humbled and ridiculed due to this political novice who quite obviously isnt fit to govern a cake stall never mind a sovereign nation.
What is however very disturbing, and needs to be questioned, is how the Argentines could vote this clown in for one term never mind two.
She is a complete and utter political pygmy.
@116
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Things we know:
Aerolíneas Argentinas is making massive losses.
G20 were told about falklands issue - no echo
UN were told about falklands issue - no echo
ARG.gov is creating a hard blockade on British cruise vessels.
ARG.gov is creating a soft blockade on British imports.
KFC is getting nowhere on the Falklands issue externally.
KFC is getting nowhere on the Falklands issue internally.
Argentinian news is focused on the UK aggravation at ARG.gov blockades.
UK brings in EU.
Things we don't know:
Is there an underlying strategy, and if so what is it?
Will the UK & USA push for Argentinian expulsion from G20? I also can't help thinking that this has is inextricably linked to the cruise issue. The FIG would like more people coming to visit, but there is a danger that this results in some propaganda coup with her saying she can control FIG using Neocolonialism (Economics, etc). It's unlikely that the islands are suddenly going to get over-run by Argentinians, or that there will be a security issue.
Is it just that she has to be seen to be doing something and Aerolíneas Argentinas is a complete economic basket case? Economic opportunism? Be seen to Isolate the British? Either way, they're having a country-based PR disaster, even with this olive branch covered in poison.
She was never meant to be President, just do what she was told by Nestor until he could be President again. The fact that she thinks she can still turn on the tears and play the widowwoman everytime she is criticised shows she does not have the ability to hold office.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe now is the time for the opposition to start rallying. Sure they are all Peronists - they would never get elected unless they claimed that - but there are many shades of Peronism.
@98 Dreyfoss - Total dross more like. Look up the difference between a nuclear POWERED submarine and a nulcear ARMED submarine.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume that the text books or online assets you use have'ne been altered to include innaccurate descriptions - such as the fact that a SSBN is not the same as an SSN.
Also the “death star” in the falklands is not a giant laser wielding battle station (it's a good job timmerman did'nt pick up on one of the nicknames for RAF Mount Pleasant, I can just imagine a slide show at the showing how the evil Brits have turned to the dark side and are now led by Darth Vader, after all they are the Empire............LOL).
As for comment 96 - I almost split my sides laughing. Now lets see....Spain puts pressure on us over the Falklands and Gibraltar and
A) they kiss goodbye to the goodwill require to bail out their collapsed economy, go away and be poor Spain.
B) We point out to them that backing hostile takeovers of overseas territories sets a dangerous precedent for places like Melilla and Cueta (and their smaller outposts in N Africa). Remind them that 2 can play the game of backing your enemies.
C) Britain stops using Spain as a major tourist destination. Oh dear - lost some ecom have you, what a pity.
D) suggest that they stop pointing the gun at their own feet and put it away, they're making themselves look almost as stupid as Argentina is.
@121 That's where we disagree. I think the Argies are basically emasculated by the anachronism that is Peronism. Until a new ideology that is palatable to the Argies is found and voted into office, they're going to be continuously eating 5h1t-sandwiches from the conveyor belt sushi. They even have their own Hitler Youth league FFS.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not going to happen, so we all better just get used to it.
more trouble is in store for the Argentine economy. the cupboard is obviously bare and now she is raiding the central reserve as a final desperate act.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this woman will steal anything
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL2E8E1B3N20120301
Fascinating stuff! The thread starts with a trade ban and a day later, we are talking about flights into Stanley. I don't think anybody saw this coming. So what are the scenarios?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. They genuinely want to make peace and look good at the same time.
2. It is a ploy so that they can further down the line ban the flights because they can't stop the Lan flight.
3. They suspect that the FI government will not agree in the first place and try to make political mileage from it.
4. Fill the first plane full of explosives and crash it into Stanley a la Twin Towers.
@124 If that means the BCRA isn't independent of the government, then she could be having some issues in courts in the USA again with those vulture funds.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After being the Wicked Witch for 7 years an overnight conversion to Fairy Godmother. How believable is this ?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@125
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i suspect that the UK Govt telling her that its got nothing to do with them and they should open a dialogue with the FIG will have come totally left field for her. she now has the rather unpalatable option of sitting down with the FIG and discussing this issue with a nice Falklands flag on the table in front of the Argentine delegation.
she thinks that this is her v the Uk govt, when the UK govt are taking the piss and provoking her into discussing the issue with the FIG.
can you imagine that happening (snigger, snigger).
@127 It's very believable.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm thinking they want to control the flights, by cutting out Chile. That whole Falklands-Chile friendship irks them nearly as much as the Uruguay-Falklands friendship. The Argies want to own those relationships. Then the Falklands will have to get temporary workers presumably from Arg and if they want to cancel the flights they don't need to discuss it with Chile. They just cut the flights.
The issue is they're so amateurish/mercurial that it's hard to tell if they're just being reactionary or truly have an underlying strategy.
They could have New Peronism. Look what TB did with New Labour, it was nothing whatsoever to do with the Labour Party.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think simply the offer has backfired.
Put it this way do you think that there is any chance whatsoever of the Argentine govt sitting down with the FIG?
We know the answer to that. they wanted to provoke a discussion with the UK and the foreign Office has just killed that one stone dead.
there is no chance whatsoever of the UK govt, at this time, giving her the propaganda coup of having a meeting. It will look as though the UK has caved in.
there are no meetings to be had with the UK unless it is stated clearly in the terms of reference published before the meeting that any talk of FI sovereignty is off limits.
If I were the UK govt, for now, I'd be pressing the Argentines to meet with the FIG. thats the smart and humiliating (for the RG's) way to play it.
quite simply the FIG must be seen to have the propaganda coup of sitting down and talking with the President if at all possible (unlikely) and if not her then her top foreign advisor (if they have such a thing in RG land).
so far so good for the UK. i'm sure we will make no mistakes with this.
@130 You're not wrong. New Labour was just a vehicle for his apparent attempts at self-deification.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still feeling a deep sense of greed, manipulation and sinisterness out of this 3-flights malarky.
Is there no end to the depths Argentina will sink to to stir up s**t?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just how many otherpeople, does she want to mediate for her,
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she has a bib enough loud voice,
perhaps she will ask the pope to help,
greenpeace perhaps, monster loony raving party,
its never ending lol.
@134 - It is called being way out of their depth!
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then, drown she will ?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes! When things get really bad there, the next military coup will ensure she does, quite literally, drown!
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@132 Yeah, the man made my teeth itch. He should have been a preacher or rock star where his narcissism would not have been out of place. But I can see how the third way was genius and some of his reforms long overdue. I still cannot stand the bloke.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I still think it is the only way the opposition can win.
If they stop buying pharmaceuticals from the UK where will KFC get her meds from??
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Her approach:
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look like she is being open,
hope the Arg flights are agreed,
then ground the flights unless we talk about the falklands,
Debora,
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me ak you just a simple question.
How much you get paid my your Boss CFK...?
Must be Good - to confuse Your Family, as well your Nationals in Argentina.
From where you go the QUALIFICATIONS TO BECOME INDUSTRY and DEVELOPMENT MNISITERIAL QUALIFICATIONS../
When was you last mental visit to your MD..?
What a pack of sily crazy nuinsances you are repeting like a Parrot in one of the High Tension Power Lines near your Office.
Do you have any idea what you are telling to the world....?
Negra, makes us a favor. Go and see Chucky and make him to do a Medical Check up, because you not 1 + 1 to your own statements.
You are killing Argentina as Minister, and making Capitals to Avoid to think about yu=our NUTTY policies.
Go back home and cook for the kids again Please..! Maka.
“Beware of Greeks bearing gifts”
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or in this case, Argentines.
l don't trust them.
A leopard doesn't lose its spots.
We don't want their flights.
Jam them....................
I wouldn't trust their aircraft either , they are about the only operator of DC9s left and their Airbus 340s are also well past 'useby'.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@143 They do have a corporate song, like British Airways have 'fly the flag' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nkbcqA1_mY) Argentina's Plummet Airlines has (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nkbcqA1_mY)
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Warning! Warning! Argentina will self destruct in five minutes, warning! warning...
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody forces let the queen you put a line to London malvinas area ...... you are free to choose ... luck.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0146 tigre
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0way of target, sleepy time lol.
How does an Argentine commit suicide?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- he climbs to the top of his ego and jumps off
And it looks like they're doing it.
The offer of flights to the Falklands from Argentina will never be granted by the Falkland Islands Government. Argentines would want to travel to the islands as though it was an internal domestic flight where passports were not required, so that is a non-starter as far as the islanders are concerned. Of course, the Lan-Chile flights will be cancelled by CFK and when the complaint that they are restricting free travel they have an excuse that their offer was refused...crafty bastards. Must think we are that gulible or what?
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The likelihood of me getting on an Aerolingus Argentinas plane is pretty much at zero, having read the reviews.
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0If in our worst nightmares, flights were allowed to the islands from Argentina and 200 Argentines turn up without their passports, would it be a good idea to hold them at Goose Green community hall until they could be deported?
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@151 State sponsored illegal immigration would be an interesting swerve-ball from KFC.
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't discount the likelihood of her trying it though.
Hey Greek Yoghurt
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the problem now for Uk, is dealing with a crazy woman, in some way is right for Argentina, the good maners never worked for Argentina, if you don t understand how are you desling with is a big big problem, this is the case of CFK you never know what is on her mind, only one thing is sure per the nect 2 to 3 years and is War, after that time I have no doubs that Argentina now is starting negotiations with a world potency to bring milytar help, just waith and you ll see.
There is a new world order, Brasil doesn t want Uk close to the continent, China had a econimic war wth Usa, that means Argentinian food and natural resources will be dispute by this two big countries.
If Argentinian government refuce to import from Uk is becouse all the Beef that Uk buy , now will be for other countrie, Whit the international economic crisis do you really think that France will follow Uk to cut srgentinian importations?, we can causse a lot of pain to France closing all Reno, Peugot, Sevel and more factories in Argentina, Globalization some times is good some times is bad, all deppends the time.
lost almos ?
Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@154 briton
Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The kind of weird sh*t that happens, when you live down wind of a cocaine manufacturing plant
mmm agreed .
Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we send to urope the drugs for your insane people
Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0153 pepegalleta
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Every South American country knows that Argentina is positioning itself to be the regional power. Question is will Brazil let it?
Brasil is the bug boy in south america, I am from Argentina, who told you that Argentina could be bigger than Brasil?
Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine delusion:
Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The European Union announced that it would begin the appropriate diplomatic proceedings with Argentina to try and solve the trade conflict with the UK.”
“Argentina is pleased to see that the UK government has finally resorted to an international organization to find a diplomatic solution to the Malvinas issue.”
Is there anything that they wont twist and distort?
DJ56
Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don t care about the UN , there are more nations to export food, the most important country in this world is USA, if the UN want to stop trading with Argentina, we can stop or make the french brands suffer a lot in south America, remember, the car industry is the most important industry and we have Peugeot, Reno, Fiat and much more Uropean brands, we can switch all uropean brands for US brands, EEUU will be more than happy to start some factories here in Argentina plus the top buyers for Argentina is not the UN, is Asia and USA.
We can shrink more the UN economy, we are not along this time, Mercosur will do the same, actually south America start to be proteccionist, bud idea and thr wrong time for Europa to believe that we are scared to lose any UN brand or importation, CFK is looking fir to break some of those agreements and the UN is justfoing what she wants.
Mercosur wants to grow, but we don t need pateners like the UN plus nobody per how ling UN will be alive.
No you cant you deluded argie.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN doesnt buy anything its the utimate talking shop for the world.
Didn't realise that the UN was a country & traded with Argentina.
Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for pointing that out, pepegalleta. lol.
you are right, is EU
Mar 06th, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did I made my self clear enough now?
Isole?
Will see, to me is a matter of time, but again, will see at the end of the game
Yes, see you at the end of the game.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Débora Giorgi “told”..........ah told and??? A comment. Not obligates not press not nothing...everyone then is able to do as they like
Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Every South American country knows that Argentina is positioning itself to be the regional power. Question is will Brazil let it?” JD #158
Mar 06th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Brasil is the bug boy in south america, I am from Argentina, who told you that Argentina could be bigger than Brasil?” Pepe #159
Brasil is position itself to be a World power, and it is having to cope with a 'younger brother' who 'wants to play with the big boys'.
It's frustrating for the younger brother but time, and growing up, will make things possible that are impossible today.
I don't know what a 'bug boy' is, Pepe, but it sounds disparaging.
Brasil is doing something that was not possible in the bombastic years of Lula - easing with sure-footed diplomatic effort into the developed world and its machinations and rules. Who would have thought, a couple of years ago, that a change of President would have made such a huge difference.
167 GeoffWard2, are you stupid or what, Big Boy is what I mean, sabes hablar espanol o iraliano o sos so un isleno bruto que solo habla en kelper , becouse ylu dpn t speak english ylu speak kelper, a kind of dialect or sub lenguage but not english, just a kind of island sub lenguage, plus how can you make a comparation about Argentina, Brasil with the islands, come on, 3000 people only.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasil is bigger now than UK, plus UK is in bankruptcy, that means owe more money than the country has.
Uk to keep the islands need to make a merge with a real country.
Is the end of the Uk, in the next 5 years Scotland will be out of the UK, next will be Ireland then Gales and after all Malvinas, you people doesn t want to understand that the UK time is almost over, Now you PM Cameron claim to the union europea about the possible boycott to Uk products, now he is crying like a baby,
CAMERON: people, Argentina doesn t want to buy UK products Wha, wha , please help me , PLEASE HELP, I beg but Please hell, god save the queen, please help,
We in south america don t care about what people in Europa want any more, Mercosur is strong block and will be stronger, if UK doesn t change his brain, will be in problems not only with Argentina, but Vrasil, Paraguay, Uruguay, venezuela, Chile, Bolivia, ecuador, we can kick the ass of all Uk corporations from South America and the good thing is that is the right time to do it, world economy is in problems, protectionist is growing in south America, plus there is a lot big corporations trating to start business in the Mercosur.
the only one who is going to lose is UK.
face the truth,
@168pepe
Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot the:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH
and:
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
We just stop 2 vessesls and Cameron looks like a baby craying, now he wants Eu protect UK business,
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ja ja ja
you make me laugh
Calm down , Pepe. You'll get a hernia.
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171Geoff,
Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't think theres much to be gained talking to him.
He sounds like another Malvinero1.
PUGOL where are you from?
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0and ulu Isole, where are you from?
Don't think theres much to be gained talking to him.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0He sounds like another Malvinero1.
Talk?,isolde beauty?
to communicate or exchange ideas, information, etc., by speaking.
90% of the exchange here is nonsense....so better be like me.
AHAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA
You are not alone, since 2001 when they “exported” a silly economical crisis to Uruguay, Argentina has been a nightmarish neighbor.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0They seems to profit of any free opportunity to do some damage to Uruguay, and then some.
Sure, the official stance is about we are “hermanos” and so, but in practice they have been very bad friends.
Our government has tried to counter them being bold up to a pre-war level (a few years ago) to a passive submission right now, nothing seems to works.
Expect to be bullied and harassed as long as the actual elite is running Argentina, and good luck!
Luis M, I think you ate from Uruguay, Argentina helped Uruguay several times, actually my phater was an importer of products from Uruguay, your country made per several years a lot of money in turismo, Actually may be you are offended but We builded Punta del este in some way, my mother is from Uruguay too, I went to Montevideo and Colonia several times, I like the people from Uruguay snd more important THE CHIVITOS .
Mar 07th, 2012 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of people from Uruguay actually are living in Argentina plus a lit come to work per seasons, Argentina was very generous with Uruguay people and still is.
Your former president was a Salame talking bad about the Argentinian government on camara, don t you remember?, a recorded tape with very serious acusations sbout corruption and more things, I am sure he was right, but he burned himself with the Artgentine government.
Salute
@173 pepegalleta,
Mar 07th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0l am a citizen of the world, pepe.
Uruguay shouldn't be too concerned about Argentina. If 3000 Falkland Islanders can stand up to them I'm sure Uruguay could as well.
Mar 07th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 03000 people stoping Argentina,
Mar 07th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JaJaJa
@176 pepegalleta
Mar 08th, 2012 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Punta del Este (and tourism in general) is, every year, target of a negative event originated at BB.AA. Maybe a bridge is closed, maybe a new tax or a new limit for travelers to expend their money. Every year, a new hindrance.
Was yours a “friendly” post? For you have been extremely rude by posting the Uruguayan President was a “Salame” on a international forum like this one. I cannot appropriately reply to that here.
Anyway, this forum it's not the right place to vent our disagreements, I invite you to further discuss this issue by using private messages so we don't clutter it.
If I said the former Uruguayan president is a salame is becouse he offended the argentinian government, he did not noticed the open mic and he was recorded talking bullshit about the argentinian president.
Mar 08th, 2012 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did a lot to Urugauay, do you know how much miney Argentinians spend every year in Uruguay? I really like Uruguay, I have a lot friends in Uruguay.
I told you my father was an importer of Burma and manis del Uruguay till Aleca took the distribution of the products in Argentina.
I am in US since 17 years and I am thinking to spend my retairement in Uruguay, may be Montevideo or Colonia, I like Colonia very much, people is very friendly there.
Don t feel offended if I say that Uruguayan former president was a salame, he talks too much and is not a good diplomacy politic.
Do you preffer Brasilians?, when Brasil helped Uruguay?
and again, do you know how many Uruguayans live in Argentina? and how many take the aliscafo every day to come and work in Argentina?
I don t understand why you are offended you need to face the truth and recognise that your former president made a mistake plus he was thinking in start a war against Argentina
Salute and take me as a friend I am no here to offend you, but the truth is the truth.
With the botnuan plant Uruguay didn t care about the contamination, your president was looking for to bring more jobs to your people without thinking in the contamination, Face the issue
@173 pepegalleta
Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am English, but not really from anywhere, the wandering variety.
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