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Anti British-Falklands incidents in south Argentina with UK flagged cargo vessel
Serious incidents broke out on Thursday in the Argentine Patagonia port of Comodoro Rivadavia when a British flagged cargo vessel docked to load cement and were met with anti British-Falklands protestors. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTypical smart Argie way of boosting exports !
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The idiots don't realise that their economy relies on merchant ships for exporting goods and materials and most Merchant ships fly the red ensign whether its a british vessel or not.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Though i have to laugh, i never expected to seem them go as so low as to fight over cement lol ;-))))
Way to go Argentina! The Hitler Youth, sorry, La Cámpora win the day! and your economy drifts into nothingness.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does Argentina think this is the way to get an EU-Mercosur agreement that has been so long sought and discussed. Her Mercosur partners must be absolutely furious.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let them, if they're so stupid.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what the fools do.
Just leave us alone.
And we'll leave you alone.
This is just great, you Malvinistas are amazing, with you this country will be rocketed to the stars. Keep it up guys :)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would love to have seen the 'fight'.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet it was handbags and sombrellas at dawn!
HaHaHa, etc. BRILLIANT. This is better than watching cartoons.
Yes the facists comedians are the laughing stock of South America.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't wait for the next joke.
The question is why do British ships keep coming to Argentina. It's one thing for us to be fools, but when you are the subject of the fool's pleasure and keep coming, then who is the bigger fool?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Devil's advocate, just saying.
@ 9 You're really a poor man, have some dignity please and stop crying. The islands are British :)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't even a British vessel and it was planning to carry Argentine cement to Paraguay.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can Argentine posters not see how totally idiotic this is?
I can't get serious with most of you. I have tried, but most have no knowledge, some others are trolls, and one or two know something but are too proud to admit wrong. So I just climb down to the level of discourse understood here.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somewhat difficult to engage in colloquy with cyber-age troglodytes.
@9 tobias
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems the term “British Vessel” covers a multitude of sins, so I’m not sure how “British” the vessels now being blocked are.
Either way there must be money in it for us somewhere, we are Pirates after all.
@13
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have it from confidential sources that any vessel with a crew member named “Nigel”, or furnished with Susan Boyle charity calendars are being immediately turned around.
@14, what a bitter twisted individual you are! get a grip and take a reality check, the vessel involved was not even british! Argentina is not to be trusted, they say they don't want violence however their acts just provoke it. The Falkland Islanders DO NOT WANT TO BE ARGENTINE!!!!! why would they want to be? what is attractive about Argentina? , apart from their horses! i am so tired of it all and i find you and your vile responses pretty tiresome. That is all.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is there a video of this on you tube? anyone have a link?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See how when I descend to this level people respond... :)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would assume for the Falklanders who are British ethnically there is nothing of interest in Argentina.
However in several towns in Southern Chile (to to the fact they are better integrated with Argentina in roads, electricity and healthcare than with Chile itself, since Argentina built more of it in their area than their own gov); large tracts of ranchland in southwestern Paraguay (because they wish to be on the “south” side of the health firewall Argentina is implementing in terms of foot-and-mouth in cattle), and the department of Tarija in Bolivia (because they feel more infraestructure would be built if they switch sovereignty), there seems to be plenty of interest in joining us.
Will the UK call on Paraguay, Bolivia, and Chile to allow their peoples self-determination? Will you as people of conscience allow Argentina to take over deep southern Paraguay, extend sovereignty across the Andes in deep southern Patagonia, and allow annexation of Tarija from Bolivia?
Self-determination, remember, and the people's in all these regions have actually pubicly protested and asked for this in the recent past.
Wouldn't that breach your beloved belief in the principle of “territorial integrity” Tobias?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you care to comment on the simple question “is this latest behaviour sensible or in Argentinas interests”?
Well, I would answer your question Idleheads, but I won't because I beat you to it. So you can't engage in a volte-face of my argument.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the British government who is a staunch defender of self-determination (I happen to agree with that concept). So my question was, will the UK support this right if a town like Puerto Aysen, or Natales in Chile, the city of Tarija in Bolivia, and the ranchlands of southewestern Paraguay by the Pilcomayo River insist on a change in status? Again, let me repeat, there have been recent protests and in all three situations and in some cases also ancillary historical background.
Will you or will you not?
@17 Tobias, interesting point.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But lets take this to the extreme, 1 house on the border of 2 countries want to join the other? pretty sure it would not happen.
I don't know how many farms / people it would take to make it happen.
@20
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not just a “farm”. It is a region of abutting ranches, forming a contiguous area, and remeber the ranches there are not “european sized” or even of average size for Argentina, they are HUUGE. Some probably as big as some smaller English shires.
This is th most recent developent, since Argentina has been fighting real har to keep foot-and-mouth out, as it always seems to enter via Paraguay. So in recent years som of the ranchers in the southern part of Paraguay have actually wondered if it will be better for them to just move into Argentina (but then they would lose the land), or if the BORDER should be moved.
The situation with some of the Chilean towns has been going for some years now, and the Tarija question is one that is a couple hundred years old.
There is a simple answer to that - no. The principle of territorial integrity was developed at the same time as the principle of self determination. After WW2 the world was in flux and “self determination” became prime - but not at the expense of territorial integrity as they existed at the time.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falklands had been part of Argentina in 1945 and then thousands of Brits emigrated there they would not be entitled to then claim “self deterimination” to split the territory of Argentina apart. The creation of the UN drew a line under the colonial era and allowed territories to determine their own fate. Think of 1945 and the territories of the world at that time as the starting point from which the two principles would apply.
When oh when are the Argentinians going to abandon their Falklands scorched-earth policy and just admit that Self-determination is a key part of the UN Charter, and that their planned ethnic-cleansing is simply illegal (Sayeth the ICC and UN)?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Answer: never)
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Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a look at these two 'lovely' Argentine females. I think they are females (but they look like porkers) who are burning the flag over the blockade of the cement ship.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Complete with Rag-Head headware so we are at least spared a look at their faces.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9133927/Argentine-protesters-blockade-British-flagged-cargo-ship.html
At least the wife of my next door neighbout is a looker, so I know there are some beauties over there.
@ 24 That's great, I absolutely love gore and blood too.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder they can't be bothered to unload the ships being as fat as that! Blimey.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just watched a program about the Nazis.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hitler brainwashed normal Germans in to believing Jews were responsible for all their troubles.
Nazi thugs stopped Germans from shopping in Jewish shops.
Children at schools were taught specifically anti-Semitic ideas.
Many shops stopped selling their products to Jews.
Jewish business started being attacked.
interesting program
28 Steve-32-uk
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like the 'Model' for The Mad Bitch herself.
Notice how everything these cretins do is a model? Not a plan or a programme or a flow-chart, etc. I think it goes with DEMAND and INSIST and all the other threats.
@25,27 They be a pair of big hitters my son, they be a pair of big hitters.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 tobias
Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, well I appreciated the “tea time humor”.
You must admit, my humor is far more “British” than say... replies 23-27. That's the pro-Falkland side for you, in summary. Fine debaters all (I'll give a slight pass).
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People who find murder, humorous. Ahh, I'm sure grounded people like Pugol (even Chris), are proud of them. Even if they can't come around to denounce their abusive language for fear of rendering the Falklands Claque innefectual.
@ 15 Dot
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@14, what a bitter twisted individual you are! get a grip and take a reality check, the vessel involved was not even british! Argentina is not to be trusted, they say they don't want violence however their acts just provoke it. The Falkland Islanders DO NOT WANT TO BE ARGENTINE!!!!! why would they want to be? what is attractive about Argentina? , apart from their horses! i am so tired of it all and i find you and your vile responses pretty tiresome. That is all.”
Personally I am fascinated by Argentina I just won't be going whilst all this nonsense is going on. Most of all I want to see Patagonia and visit the Welsh community down there but if they aren't admitting trade from the UK or Falkland what can I do?
That picture of those fat slags burning the Union Flag is utterly cringeworthy and just demonstrates once more that the Argentines are a set of low lifes. What on earth do they think they are doing? Pathetic.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My young son has just asked me “when the war starts” i've told him “soon”.
Hope the RG's have trips into the country prepared when the UK starts reigning cruise missiles down on their military bases on the mainland.
@ 34 The Cestrian (#)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought we were supposed to be playing the 'grown ups' in all this.
KFC won't be in power for ever no matter how hard she tries and with luck the younger generation in Argentina might start to take a more pragmatic approach to the issue that they have with Falkland.
I am hopefull that whatever the current Argentine government does that it will not involve millitary action and that if it does we can handle it and that any blockade can be circumvented. I am also hopefull that eventually we can put all this nonsense behind us but I repeat, somebody has to play the grown up on both sides.
Lets say for a second that at least a few Brits and Argentines can talk to each other constructively. It can't hurt surely?
Sovereingty though, cannot be up for debate. The Argentine constitution forbids it and so too do the wishes of the Falklanders even though the two positions are opposed. We need to talk about something else. Something like 'trade' and 'co-operation' but I fear this won't happen in the current political climate in the region.
@35
Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to me that the Presidents henchmen are trying to muster general support for huge anti British feeling but that a lot of Argentines seem to be turning the other way. They probably know what the game is and that they are being used.
I'm not sure why you are particularly keen to talk with the Argentines because quite frankly anything you agree with them they will renage on. Are you seriously telling me that even if they did meet with the FIG they would keep to their end of the bargain?
no chance.
The question is why do British ships keep coming to Argentina
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[Probably for the same reason, Argentinean ships come to Britain.]
So my question was, will the UK support this right if a town like Puerto Aysen, or Natales in Chile
[The answer is, would Argentina ??]
The Falklands are not a town, but if Patagonia asked and demanded independence, then im sure the British like everyone else would consider it .
It seems to me, that this goes deeper that meets the eye, someone somewhere is causing trouble, and trying to blame the British .
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@ 36 The Cestrian (#)
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm not sure why you are particularly keen to talk with the Argentines because quite frankly anything you agree with them they will renage on. Are you seriously telling me that even if they did meet with the FIG they would keep to their end of the bargain?”
I am keen to talk to people about points of contention, I am a talker in the first instance and a fighter only in the last resort. There are a growing number of Argentines on this board who are making sense, even if I might disagree with some of them fundamentally on this issue. I am not talking about 'rabid Malvinistas', I skim their posts to see if there is anything worth responding to and when it becomes clear they are talking like fruit loops I discount it and move on to the next post. When I find a real 'thinker and talker' as I think of them, I am keen to engage with them. I do not include the one who calls himself 'Think' in this list, I think we agreed to ignore each other on principle.
I am not the UK government or the FIG, I am an ordinary idiot with an opinion. We are not negotiating foreign affairs on behalf of respective governments here we are talking about something that we all feel strongly about. We are not negotiating legally binding policy and there is nothing to be reneged in a forum such as this.
However I reckon that we can find common ground and speak to each other as though we were human beings it is common courtesy. We could, if we wanted to, ignore hot heads and imbeciles, find out what we can agree upon and make a small contribution to diffusing a potentially dangerous situation.
Or we could lower ourselves to the level of the jingoistic fruit loop I'm not fussed either way just a little embarrassed at times.
“Or we could lower ourselves to the level of the jingoistic fruit loop”
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Greekyoghurt, xbarilox, Conqueror, The Cestrian.
Leider zu spät, tut mir leid.
@39 there's nothing jingoistic about you being easy to troll and a bitter bitter man.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course not, I need not to resort to perenially insulting your country or the entirety of the British people, much less doing so with coruscate mendacities (as if you did not have some genuine gripes to highlight and censure).
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apodictic canards are only to be used when one has no argument, or substance behind the sophomoric veneer.
@41 makes you mad though.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially when you remember that we're in the Anglosphere, which makes us not-poor. You're in the Spanopoorsphere, which makes you poor, corrupt and run by a mafia.
No, the difference is we know we are run by a mafia.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How you think the UK got into XXX trillion pounds in debt, into two wars by complete lying and falsehoods, subject to constant terrorism, and with a completely discredited media (BBC, News of the World, etc).
Your politicians led your country to the edge, your pride may preclude you from admitting so however.
@43 Well I can answer your question in one easy statement “we pay our debts, you don't”. That's the difference between my society and yours.
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias do you think you might use smaller words please I am not a dictionary and I find Shakespearian prose difficult to read after a drink?
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is NOT an insult.
@43
Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irrespective of what our debt is one thing is for sure; we wont default on it like you did ie couldnt face up to your responsibilities so stuck two fingers up at the rest of the world when the going got tough for you.
As for the wars, well the one thing we can say is that they removed tyrants like Saddam and saw the back of Bid Laden, something you contributed fuckall too.
As for our media, well to be honest your comment takes the breath away. Youre holding Argentina up as a bastion of the free press? Ho, ho, ho as Santa would say.
Dream on.
23 GreekYoghurt
Mar 10th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really do need to brush up on your understanding of international law if you don't want to make a fool of yourself.
There are legal criteria for determining which groups may legitimately claim the right to self-determination. The Falklanders' right to self-determination is highly dubious for the following reasons:
They do not constitute 'a people', and only 'a people' is entitled to self-determination under international law.
They are not a population indigenous to the Islands, but were settled there by Britain after it had expelled an Argentinian population that previously existed there.
Moreover, they are not sufficiently distinct from the British metropolitan population to be considered 'a people'.
Their status as 'a people' has never been recognized by the UN, who have consistently called them a ‘population.’
Even if they were a people, this would not automatically give them a right to self-determination that could override Argentina’s title to the Islands.
This is the reason why the United Nations includes the Falklands among those Non-Self Governing Territories which STILL need to be de-colonised.
If you're serious about finding out the facts. I suggest you have a look at the following recent publications which exhaustively examine why the principle of self-determination does not apply to the Falklanders:
R. Laver, The Falklands/Malvinas Case (Nijhoff, 2001);
R. Dolzer, The territorial status of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas): past and present (Oceana, 1993).
@32 tobias
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands issue does not “stand or fall” by mine or Chris’s denouncements. And neither do you. You seem eloquent enough to me, and able to hold your own.
The English find humour in everything; it is one of our defining traits. Especially the Black Humour as Mediterranean’s call it.
@25 I think that is a file photo.... probably taken on the day they splashed paint on the HSBC offices. They have rags covering their faces for two reasons, a/ they are fugly cows, and b/ we would recognise the same handful of people maintaining a vigil outside the hospital when KFC was trying to get a head transplant/burning flags outside the british embassy/ throwing paint at the HSBC/ and putting out the garbage at the Casa Rosada.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0These are just little stage managed demos.... not like the spontaneous jubilation shown by the 'ordinary RG in the street' on 2nd April 1982.
@47 beatlegoose,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Therin lies the problem. You base your claim on lies.
Whether you believe them or not, is immaterial.
They are still lies. Just a little research by you would prove to you that they are lies. Of course you will not do this as it would shatter all that you believe in, all that you were taught at school. But they are still lies.
You know that an Argentine population was not expelled.
The Garrison was expelled & rightly so.....they were trespassing on British land.
The vast majority of the civilians(a moot point whether they were “Argentine”or not)were encouraged to stay & they did.
Their blood, much diluted by later British emigration fows through the veins of the present day Falklanders.
Even if they HAD been expelled(they were not), so what?
They were trespassing on British territory.
And it IS British territory. We claimed that land in 1765, long, long before Argentina was a nation.
So you have NO title to the Falklands.
Your arguement is demolished, my dear beatle.
1) lts NEVER been your land.
2) Argentine(moot point)civilians were NOT expelled.
All your huffing & puffing cannot change these simple facts.
That is why we say,
There is nothing to talk about.
There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS.
get out bridiots!!! stealing lands does not give you rights! stop talking craps!
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51Cero,
Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0get out, argidiots, stealing lands(from Amerindians & KILLING them)does not give you rights! stop talking craps!
ldiota
@ 39 to bias.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Add to that list cero, Yulendo, Geo, Kiwisarg, Danyberger! Malvinero1, Malen, Marcos Alejandro, Marcelo Kohen, Alejomartinez, Nitrojuan...........
@47 and @50 Betelgeuse, my summary of ethnic cleansing wasn't based upon them being a peoples or a population, just on the fact that it's ethnic cleansing. You cannot make your actions not-ethnic cleansing through arguing semantics.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is, Isolde is correct. Your argument is based upon lies, partial truths and false history.
Whether the islands get decolonised to independence is of no concern to you. The fact is they will have to remain under the umbrella of the UK's military protection for as long as it takes, mainly because of vampiric hell-holes like argentina breathing down it's neck, waiting for the next opportunity to invade again.
None of this concerns you Betelgeuse, you're simply not involved.
I think I know why they're wearing masks. Comodoro Rivadavia is a port. Ports often attract prostitutes. It seems obvious that if CFK's thugs wanted to recruit some idiots and morons to do a bit of screaming and flag burning, local whores would be cheap, easily available, and probably well know to the recruiters. They'd have been easily identifiable without the masks. Simples!
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 Betelgeuse
Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No consideration of the wishes of the lawful inhabitants.
Argentina has no title to the land.
A morally bankrupt argument, based on a version of history which is not supported by the facts.
@32 Are we going to talk about your “Britishness”? Well, just for a start, the word is spelled H-U-M-O-U-R. Not that debased “version” from the north. And “innefectual”. Please. I don't know why you talk about murder. If you look it up, you'll find that “murder” is the unlawful killing of another human being. I was referring to argies. Ipso facto, no human beings.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 What's the matter, girlie? You can hand it out, but you can't take it?
@47 You're funny. Let's take your statements one by one. There is not yet a recognised legal definition of “a people”, but you can bet that if the Falklanders would fail such a test, so would argies. “Argies” are not indigenous to “argentina” but were settled there by the Spanish after murdering the bulk of the indigenous population. They are distinct and it is not the metropolitan population alone that needs to be considered. How would a typical argie differ from a typical spaniard? And who are the UN to speak? ”Argentina has no title to the Islands. A very good example comes to mind. Let's assume you have a house. One day, you go on holiday. When you return you find that a bunch of squatters have moved in. Despite the fact that you and your family resided in the house for 10 years, the squatters claim that, because they resided in the house for just over a year, it is theirs. The squatters have a bunch of thugs with them. You demand that the thugs leave, but allow the majority of the squatters to stay provided that they acknowledge that it is your house. However, the next 15 years are pretty fraught as the thugs keep claiming that the house is theirs. Get the picture? And, by the way, I understand that the Klingons still consider Terra to be a potential slave planet. Taken overall, I only say that I thank God every day that any aliens from intergalactic space are unlikely to land in argieland. If they were took argies as representative of the dominant species, I'm afraid we'd be looking at planetary sterilisation.
@57 Finally someone with sense. Argentina's arguments only work if you use a highly distorted version of both history and international law. The Falklands are British. They are the rightful inhabitants of the islands and they always will be. So long as they are there then they have the right to self-determination. End of. People like Malviner01, Tobias, Cero, Betelguese, John Farrell, Marcelo Kohen and Marcos Alejandro need to grow up and accept that they can't have what isn't their's.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 51 Zero is your IQ.
Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Betelgeuse
Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don’t be so bloody minded, Argentina people are the same as British , German , American , Japan , we all have rights, and if the Falklands islanders are not allowed to be there,,, then you argentine people should not be allowed where you are,, if the islanders must go back to Britain, then you lot should go back to the European states as well, lets get one thing bloody straight on these bloggs, the islands are British, and you and your argentine government and their dictatorship will not , every get them, is that ok for you,,,
no one is going to hand over a free democracy to a bloody loony deluded CFK to destroy, you hate them, she hates them, don’t you understand, you will never be allowed to indoctrinated a democracy, into a flaming dictatorship, just to satisfy argentine selfish greed bigoted empire building,
So forget it .
Understand,
peace man peace lol.
52 idiot
Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are thieves. and what you say is what someone want you to say and pay you for this. that that doesn'n even concern or justify that you are in a land which isn't yours, a land uk usurped.
59
ok, do you have something interestin to say?
@61 Zero
Mar 11th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0When the British first arrived in the S. Atlantic/ Antarctic they were uninhabited, unexplored and unclaimed regions. The British had their first settlement in the S. Atlantic when Argentina was still the Governorate of the River Plate.
The same cannot be said for the land you now call Argentina.
It is not the British who are the usurpers, it is Argentina.
@61Cero,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0ldiota, not worth my time. But as a parting thrust. Just for you Cero.
No Negotiations on Sovereignty. Argentina out of Antarctica.
Plenty of oil for us & NONE for Argentina. ha ha ha.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Ah, it's fun to come back and find another Argentinian refusing to acknowledge the grim reality that their whole country was built on the back of land stolen from the first nations people. They pushed them off their land, they killed them and even now they let 10 of their children starve to death.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0But being psychopaths (they actively try to hide their sociopathic behaviour by attempting to act normal), the argentinians fail to self reflect, they hide thoughts about their past misdoings and ultimately project things that they themselves are guilty of, such as 'colonisation' and 'expansionism', onto other people.
From a psychological perspective, given the truth-hiding nature of their psychopathic traits, I wouldn't trust them one iota and suggest they be contained militarily for their own protection.
@61 Theft by dear Cero is when you take something which does not belong to you. When Britain first arrived in the Falklands in 1690 (the first time ANYONE had actually been there) there was nobody there except for a few hundred thousand penguins. Since clearly it wasn't wanted by anyone else, we had every right to claim it - after all, since we were the first people ever to go there in the history of the human race, it was ours to claim. Not stealing. You however are very guilty of that crime. When Spain first came to what would one day become Argentina, they massacred wholesale the indigenous population and established an implanted population of their own settlers; a population that rules over the handful of surviving natives until this very day. You Cero (assuming that you are Argentine) and all of your people are thieves to the highest degree. The very fact that spanish is spoken in Argentina is testament to the fact that Spanish settlers stole the land in a brutal act of colonisation.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@65,
Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Right on, man.
l've been saying this for quite a few months now & the malvinistas don't like it one bit.
But its ALL TRUE!
Send all pirates ships back home to their home land, we know very well what this brits are up to ever since 1806, let's send a nuclear submarine to UK and see how they deal with it and then treat them the same way they deal with us. Let's have them learn the right path.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 67
Mar 11th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a nuclear sub? I thought you were a nuclear free zone?
That will be another breach of their International obligations, building a nuclear submarine, but its ok for Argentina but not ok for anyone else, the RGs area allowed their nuclear sub because they are the master race, and are allowed to take over parts of their neighbours because it is only natural that the master race expands into the lands of the sub-humans, so Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Bolivia take note, you are all on notice to move away as Argentina takes its rightful place in the World.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't we heard this all before in the 1930s?
@68 Furry-Fat-Feck
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They plan to build some, or at least convert existing diesels to be nuclear powered.
They will be called the “Argiecooker” class.
Sign on the outside of the main hatch will read “do not open untill after you hear the Ping”.
Easy enough to track “Glow in the Dark Argienauts”
67 Pratt-Junta
Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still haven't got it have we about 'your' nuclear sub. This thing is allegedly being built for one of the 1980's TR1700 Thyssen subs that could not shoot their torpedoes straight in the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) war because the so called technician wiring the gyroscope electrics in the tubes inverted the polarity of the DC current. This fired up the gyro IN REVERSE! So when the torpedo was fired and the gimble-lock came off, the gyro immediately inverted and sent the torpedo in the wrong direction. What a bunch of pratts!
Now, these 32 year old steel hulled sardine cans are all on the wooden bulks in their dockyard. The nuclear 'company' doing the reactor (it will be nuclear propelled not armed) has todate only made zero output reactors for the production of radio isotopes.
Quite why they want to go from this peaceful activity for which they are known around the world to making a reactor for a sub is beyond me. However it is estimated that if everthing goes OK (always a worry that) it will take another 10 years to fit into a sub. The sub of course will have to be completely gutted, only the electric propulsion moter is of any use in this application and that alone will require immense stregthening of the hull. The sub by then will be 40 years old.
Britain will be onto the next generation of our subs. The wreck you will end up with cannot even begin to compete with either of our present subs, nevermind the new one.
You do really need to get a grip on this technology or you will forever live up to the tag name I have given you, Pratt-Junta.
As an Argentine I support Argentina in getting a nuclear de
Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina in control of any nuclear device is like letting children play with matches & petrol.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very, very, very scary scenerio.
@73 True - Though usually when children play with matches they burn the own homes down and not other peoples. So if argentinians get a nuclear device, then as the majority appear to be children, the chances are they will likely detonate it in their own country lol.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 Pratt-Junta
Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any chance you can finish this post or are we to get the rest of it by osmosis perchance?
Argentina's getting a nuclear sub? I bet that'll go down well with the other countries in their nuclear-free zone. They'll probably buy some old, broken-down one with the few pennies that they have, and they'll then succeed in blowing up which ever unfortunate part of Argentina they happen to station it in when they turn the engine on.
Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirat-Hunter
Mar 12th, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot suport anything, living in canada, now why dont you leave canada, and return to argentina, and stand by what you say,
Has anybody figured what a nuclear de' is yet?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@78,
Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0device?
destiny?
demand?
detonation?
devilment?
destablization?
de-kaboom(thats not very funny)
79 lsolde
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought the final one was hilarious.
But I was imagining Pratt-Junta sitting on it during one of his holidays from Canada accompanied by Danny Boy and 'I don't Think'. :o)
Why is it that every time Argentina has an internal problem, the Falklands question is pulled out of the cupboard and the mothballs removed?
Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This time it is:
Cry “Malvinas!”
Remove the subsidies on electricity and gas while the Argentine population is looking the other way.
Cry “Malvinas!”
What is the next problem where the cry “Malvinas!” will be used to distract attention?
@79 He may have been trying to say nuclear destroyer... which is impossible as those don't exist. IMO Argies need to give it a rest. We're not their enemies - the Falklanders are Argentina's neighbours. Instead of bullying them, they should accept that they do not hold sovereignty over them and just work constructively with them to build a more peaceful future in South America.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@82 Brit from the big smoke,
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their latin macho pride will not permit it.
@80 ChrisR,
Think vapourised, mmmmmmm, but l wouldn't have anyone to really annoy now Malvinero1 has disappeared.
@81 StJohn,
lf by some horrible way they did get their filthy paws on the Falklands, what would they then use as a distraction?
South Georgia, l suppose.
@83 Yeah, I guess peace in South America has never been Argentina's strong point. The other latin states only support them out of fear - Argentina frequently claims the territory of surrounding countries. If the rest of South America would just stand up to Argentina then a solution might be reached where instead of living in fear the Falklanders could work constructively with their South American neighbours, but sadly that'll never happen...
Mar 14th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0STILL NO SHIPS IN ROSARIO!
Mar 14th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have they all forgot about the strike?
@83 Isolde,
Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or perhaps South Africa?
after all, it *is* located in the South Atlantic, so .... :-D
@86 St.John,
Mar 16th, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0l did warn, in another post that the Namibian beach fishermen are probably breaking some ridiculous Presidential Decree for even daring to fish in the “Argentine Sea” LOL LOL
Should we warn them?
There is no government in Malvinas, only colonial pirates who have great big hand of Britain in their backsides.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0They must be removed from these islands, which belong to Argentina even before Argentina exist, it was taken from them. This and also by grace of God and Papal Bull of 1496!
In 1982 we have a much more macho government than today, we had a man in charge and no ordinary man, he was a General, from Italy, same country my grandparents came from, fleeing from British and American Imperialists after WW2 (it would take several generations and Berlusconi to put right what they did to Italy).
General Galtieri did not take no for an answer, he sent a great military force with special forces under command of our counter terrorist officers like Captain Alfredo Astiz, who is now in prison and should be freed!
These were the men who removed 50,000 left wing terrorists from our streets and delivered them into the Atlantic. We are proud that they had the guts to do what was necessary.
But today I listen to the BBC and it seems there are more left wing in our nation. I am in The Bahamas at the moment working in hotel so out of touch with my country. It seems all the strong people leave and only weak left remain.
But still there are veterans prepared to attack the police for medals for Malvinas War as they protected Patagonia from a British invasion, they deserve these medals, Police should not keep them from them.
Pirates and Anglos i hate all of you. Even here in the Bahama, have to put up with your Royal family, Prince Harry and the descendants of your Caribbean pirates some of which now Mullatos but others prefer stay white. I myself do not like. Or the children of British colonial pirates!
GO HOME BEFORE WE SEND YOU TO YOUR HOMES.
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