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Trade, political refugees and Falklands’ flights in CFK/Piñera summit agenda
Increasing common infrastructure projects such as tunnels and border crossings between Chile and Argentina will be the main motive of this week’s presidential summit between Sebastian Piñera and Cristina Fernandez. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOn a scale of 1 to 10 as far as chile is concerned:
Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands 1 out of 10
Trade 10 out of 10
Complete no brainer for Chile. As for the 3 flights a week from BA - it wont happen RG land, forget it.
Best wishes for the people of Punta Arenas suffering a terrible flood.
Mar 12th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saludos.
Meetings, and more meetings :-)
Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/argentinas-blockade-to-be-discussed-in-washington/
@ 2 ¿Todavía estás en Argentina, o ya te escapaste otra vez, como antes? jijiji Se va acabando la fiesta peronista, eh :)
Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But the agenda also includes highly sensitive issues as extradition of an Argentine judge involved in human rights violations and that of a former terrorist who is accused in Chile of killing a senator in democracy, plus the delicate issue of Lan Chile commercial flights to the Falklands from Punta Arenas which the Argentine government wants to review.”
Given that Argentina stung Chile over the NatGas it is unsurprising that Chile found new supplies from other sources.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't it be great if they manage to replace the other Argie imports altogether?
SCANDAL! OUTRAGE! - BRITAIN MADE SECRET OFFER TO ARGENTINA IN 1970'2 TO SHARE SOVEREIGNTY OF FALKLANDS !!!!!!!!!!
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SECRET DOCUMENTS JUST DISCOVERED!!!!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114442/Britain-Argentina-offer-1974-SHARE-Falklands-secret-document-claims.html
@ 6 Scandal? This was known before that “secret document”, calmate Malvinista, las islas van a seguir siendo británicas :)
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but the daily mail assured me that it is a scandal...an outrage....and top secret.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have I been misled?
8 dreyfoss, It came up on La Nacion today.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1455991-la-propuesta-secreta-de-los-ingleses-a-peron-por-las-malvinas
OH my heavens yes I'm getting old - I can actually remember this (alleged) offer being made under the Wilson government then again in 1977-8 under the Callaghan government. If I remember correctly the british government had been watching what they believed was a developing relationship between the islanders and Argentina through trade and subsidised flights, and building of a fuel station, airstrip and Propane gas supplies etc. Islanders were sending some of their children to schools in Argentina and medical services were being provided too.
Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Feels like a million years ago now.
La Nacion gives the best story and it's quite accurate too but it left out the (alleged)visit to Argentina of Anthony Crossland to BA in 1978. I think he was the foreign secretary at the time.
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Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I've never been able to understand is why Argentina just didn't sit back and let this deal be implemented. That is of course, until you realise that they wanted nothing to do with SHARING the islands. They wanted them all for themselves. Perhaps they also thought that the UK wouldn't send a task force given how close they were to such a deal anyway.
Well I want, don't get!
@11
Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peron died
The danger of making any sort of agreement with Argentina is that you're giving them leverage for future bullying. For instance, Argentina and Uruguay built bi-national bridges over the River Uruguay. The one near Fray Bentos was blockaded for a long time by bogus environmentalists organised and financed by the NK administration, in order to try and win relocation of a cellulose pulp mill that was not built in Argentina, allegedly because the authorities were demanding gigantic bribes. The same may happen to Chile's bi-national tunnels.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ All previous posters re 'Secret Deal'
Mar 14th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure the British Government were trying to push the Falklanders into a closer relationship with Argentina over a long period prior to 1982; nothing new there.
A joint sovereignty arrangement would not have worked as Argentina wanted total sovereignty as the various articles mention. The deal was a non starter as Peron died and the Falklanders did not want anything to do with it.
What non of the articles I have read about this mention (but the one in The Buenos Aires Herald by Robert Cox did ) is the follow up to Argentina taking control .
That is total ethnic cleansing of all the British population with exit flights to Montevideo and replacement by Argentines ( with no doubt some obvious troublemakers thrown into the South Atlantic; if the Argies could toss nuns and children into the sea throwing Falklanders in is not a problem).
I am sure that part of the ethnic cleansing plan still exists somewhere in an office in Buenos Aires for the eventuality Argentina ever took over the islands.
The main difference now is that the British public are on the case and would never allow devious British politicians to get away with ' selling the Falklanders down the river'.This is manifested in the presence of the garrison there.
As previous posters have mentioned Argentina cannot be trusted to keep its side of ANY international agreement. The British Government has been there before and is totally aware of of the situation.The final 'lock' is the fact that the FIG has the final say in these matters and would not touch any deals with Argentina with the proverbial bargepole.
@8 Misled? Of course you have. Your “government” does it every day. How much has CFK milked from your taxes so far?
Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Yep. Argies planning takeover. Pretending to be honest.
@12 Not enough. we need another 40 million deaths.
@14 According to the actual British article “He said foreign minister Alberto Vignes claimed Peron had told him: ‘Let’s accept. Once we have one foot in the Malvinas nobody will get us out, before long Argentina will have full sovereignty.’ ” More argie deceit!
The situation concerning the Falkland islands and Argentina is a sad one and Argentina will simply have to accept that it bears the responsibility for the way things have turned out. And Argentina will have to work hard over many years to gain a minimum of trust from the islanders. Argentina could have had the Falklands served on a plate in the years leading up to the invasion. It could even have - with patience - bought most of the islands and thus eased its way in to a more political ownership. Now Argentina will have to prove that it is a truly democratic and last but not least, a mature one.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This now requires policies and political attitudes less Sicilian and more North European. It requires the ability to create an economy that is stable and trustworthy. Sound practices. (No more suburban rail crashes due to sloppy maintenance etc.)
Society needs to mature. No more flagwaving for populist Peron-icons. A president-level, official prayer for forgiveness for the genocides committed in the past that wiped out so much of the native population.
By showing itself politically mature Argentina can move on in the long-term development of practical relations with the islanders. Then - in due course - it just might happen that the islanders will find it less worrisome to come closer to Argentina. and maybe become something like the Faeroes or the Aaland islands of the Nordic countries. I like Buenos Aires, and the country is full of interesting places and competent people. I also liked Stanley although I only visited once. I would greatly enjoy a hassle-free access to the Falklands from the mainland.
16 - Oscardh - Good post, Oscar. Your key sentence is “Argentina will have to work hard over many years to gain a minimum of trust from the islanders.” I say: a great many years. If Argentina has managed to fire up hate for the Islanders since 1830, the Islanders will have to be forgiven for taking equally long. Also, I'm disappointed you make no mention of the question of sovereignty.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sovereignity is not up for discussion before a political, social and practical climate is created between Argentina and the islanders. Until such time as Argentina has created a desire for the islanders to look at models for some kind of closer bonding, the Falkands are British. Full stop. The present Buenos Aires leadership is too much passion and too little patience to achieve anything. In - lets say 50 yrs - Argentina may have matured enough and shown the islanders that closer ties with the mainland would be a good thing.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Argentina will for generations have to accept the uniqueness of the Falklands, even if some kind of “one-country-two-systems” formula were to be accepted. I remember visiting Sarawak, Malaysia some yrs ago. Even mainland Malaysians had to show a passport, and were not free to seek employment. So there are many models to look at. But unless Argentina changes significantly, maturing politically and socially, and in its other policies, I can`t see the RN leaving the islands for many yrs to come.
It's refreshing to see the likes of Oscar, ynsere, Tobias, Gonzo and others whose views are open minded and thought provoking. You guys and/ or gals must be such a disappointment to the brainwashed Malvinistas who once used to dominate these pages.
Mar 14th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your support and understanding. I know some of you still believe the islands are Argentine but you understand the situation and you have empathy and enough sense to realise intimidation is never going to work. Keep spreading the word amongst your fellow citizens; you have a lot to do.
Don't ya love Chile ?
Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/chile-confirms-that-it-will-not-bar-shipping-arriving-from-the-falkland-islands/
Hector Timerman
Mar 16th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“HELLO IS THAT THE UN?”
“YES”
“IT'S ME HECTOR”
“YES”
“I'M CALLING ABOUT THE MALVINAS AGAIN”
Line drops
“HELLO, HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME?”
Aid “SIR I THINK IT'S TIME FOR YOUR MEDICATION”
Hector “I MUST GET IN TOUCH WITH THE UN AGAIN, I HAVE TO MENTION THE MALVINAS EVERY 5 MINUTES”
Aid “WHAT ABOUT ARGENTINA SIR”
Hector “ARGENTINA? ARE YOU STUPID! I REPRESENT THE MALVINAS, NOT ARGENTINA!!”
Sound of syringe going in. Aid drops to the floor.
“HELLO IS THAT THE UN?”
“YES”
There is no government in Malvinas, only colonial pirates who have great big hand of Britain in their backsides.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0They must be removed from these islands, which belong to Argentina even before Argentina exist, it was taken from them. This and also by grace of God and Papal Bull of 1496!
In 1982 we have a much more macho government than today, we had a man in charge and no ordinary man, he was a General, from Italy, same country my grandparents came from, fleeing from British and American Imperialists after WW2 (it would take several generations and Berlusconi to put right what they did to Italy).
General Galtieri did not take no for an answer, he sent a great military force with special forces under command of our counter terrorist officers like Captain Alfredo Astiz, who is now in prison and should be freed!
These were the men who removed 50,000 left wing terrorists from our streets and delivered them into the Atlantic. We are proud that they had the guts to do what was necessary.
But today I listen to the BBC and it seems there are more left wing in our nation. I am in The Bahamas at the moment working in hotel so out of touch with my country. It seems all the strong people leave and only weak left remain.
But still there are veterans prepared to attack the police for medals for Malvinas War as they protected Patagonia from a British invasion, they deserve these medals, Police should not keep them from them.
Pirates and Anglos i hate all of you. Even here in the Bahama, have to put up with your Royal family, Prince Harry and the descendants of your Caribbean pirates some of which now Mullatos but others prefer stay white. I myself do not like. Or the children of British colonial pirates!
GO HOME BEFORE WE SEND YOU TO YOUR HOMES.
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