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“Argentina completely ignores the Mercosur treaty and spirit” says Uruguay

Tuesday, March 13th 2012 - 07:21 UTC
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Uruguayan Vice-president Danilo Astori strongly criticized the current situation in Mercosur blasting protectionist measures of both Argentina and Brazil, which together with Paraguay are full members of the block Read full article

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  • STRATEGICUS

    Surprise ! Surprise ! Since when has Argentina ever abided by any international agreement? Answer (as we all know). NEVER !

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brit abroad

    whoops there goes another rubber tree plant!

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    HOoray!! Someone in Uruguay has the balls to stand up to the Argies and their sign-and-ignore strategy. Hooray!

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brit abroad

    wheres botox these days? she seems to have gone a bit quiet

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    Uruguay can't do much than protecting itself. Anyway, for the biggest part..it's economy is more based on Argie and Brazilian money.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Uruguay, get out of this trap (mercosur) and get into free competition...and offer Argentines a serious and safe stay for their money, as it used to be :o)

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Anyone surprised by the latest action from the treacherous liars of Argentina's government? It seems the world is waking up to these sad, pathetic people.

    The UN, the EU and now Mercosur.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    what's this??

    Argentina-land upset the nieghbours?? loosing friends AGAIN......... sniff,sniff.........

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr Carrizal

    Welcome back, Falklands flagged vessels!!!
    Sweepstake, anyone?

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    I suppose it would be undiplomatic to say: 'Britain supports Uruguay in their aim of standing up for their rights.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Are other posters having difficulties posting today? I can only post from my mobile

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    A few years back Uruguay was looking at an FTA with USA but Arg squashed it. I wonder if they are talking again?

    I find it very amusing now that the Argentinians economy is crashing that all of the Arg posters have crawled back under their rocks.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    Well as Uraguay is no longer trading with Argentina in a friendly way then they will be able to welcome back their good and loyal friends ,the Falkland Islanders.Yes , we have no Banana's or Cherizoes,or burgamatoes ,or dulce de lache and Uraguay could restart to service the fishing fleet. Good news all round for Uraguay.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    It does make you wonder what other Mercosur members get in return for agreeing to ban Falkland flagged vessels. I'm starting to think nothing and that the Argentines just demand stuff left right and centre and others have just been agreeing to keep the peace.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 14 Nope, you're wrong, the other countries that agree with the government of my country are just waiting for the fall of Argentina, that's all. They know these politics are bound to fail, it is just a matter of time.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I suppose that is possible. Why take the rap for pushing someone over a cliff when you can see them careering in that direction anyway. I do feel a bit sorry for those Argentines that recognise CFK is not furthering the interests of Argentina - and I'm not even referencing the Falklands issue in that regard.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    CFK is not furthering the interests of Argentina –

    She is just furthering the interest of herself and her family,

    .

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @17 That's precisely why Argentinians vote for her. Their not-schools teach them that this is democracy.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McClick

    Uruguay is just a sloppy country

    an event from the near past...
    in 1994 Filmmakers ,producers lobbied the state legislature for the creation a National Film Institue to develope film industry in Uruguay.
    For most Latin American film industries ,funding mechanism created such as a law stipulated a 10 % surcharge on the purchase of all movie tickets to be earmarket for national film production .In the case of Uruguay,however this is not happen.

    Uruguay is just inconsistent country.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    @19 McClick (#)

    Pot. Kettle. Kettle. Pot.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @19 Did you just tried to accuse the Uruguayans of being inconsistent through some weird kind of freudian projection? HAHHAHAHAHAHA That only works if you're a trustworthy source, and no Argentinian is trustworthy.

    How about Arg-'we renege on everything we sign'-entina you have any feelings about the inconsistency there? economic blockade and then flights?

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    Wasn't Uruguay busy printing made in Uruguay label for products made in China?? In any case who would listen to people doing business with British illegal aliens and pirates. Argentina should use the same laws USA used to separate the friends from foes and then eliminate every foe one at a time and not their turf.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Devil's advocate (again):

    Why does everyone keep signing anything with Argentina? Who are the bigger morons, us or Mercosur, Latin America, USA, EU, UK, China, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Well Tobias that depends on the agenda of the signing country. Sometimes its worth signing something that a country may think another country may fail since that gives them huge leverage over the other country.

    Besides with international affairs sometimes a country has to give the other country more chances since different people and governments are in power at that time so essentially it shouldn't be the same entity even if Argentina remains consistent in its failure to meet its obligations.

    Sometimes I wonder if that is some cultural related to Argentina?

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Yes, it's cultural, political culture particularly.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @23 There is a saying by an old chinese guy which is “What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.” So if you want to be trusted, you have to trust others. A signed contract is an expression of trust, if someone cannot keep a contract, they cannot be trusted. But it doesn't stop you from becoming like them, and you should keep trusting others.

    I suspect very few people signing contracts with Argentina or Argentinians expect the other party to keep up their side, they just don't want to enter into a similar state themselves.

    Your question is interesting though, if everyone knows Argentina cannot be trusted, then why are they expecting the UK to negotiate with a party that cannot be trusted. Especially on an important matter such as someone's land.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ernie4001

    There´s a great chance for Uruguay after this. Leave Mercosur and move to the Pacific, joining the future and sign FTA´s with Peru, Chile and Colombia and also look to China. No other solution.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @27 Uruguay and Falklands are currently experiencing being in the wrong place at the wrong time on a geographic scale. Being pacific side seems a lot better for Latin American countries because you don't have to be involved with Argentinians who are clearly a bit sh1t.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Well, the UK won't negotiate that, so the point is mute, and good for them.

    I'm extremely averse to obsessive conduct. And at this time, to my government, the Falklands is an obsession, which has emboldened the “asinine” segments to be obstreperous and clamant. At this point, I hope the UK indeed does something bold and venturesome to put the kibosh on CFK and the government because I am officially sick and tired of it all.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Tobias, have you ever lived in the UK or are you from the UK? The reason I ask is some of your language is very peculiar to the UK like using phrases like 'kibosh'.

    Anyway I do agree, the UK should flex its muscles a little and hurt Argentina although not economically since the good people of Argentina don't need to suffer any further I mean they already have to suffer the disastrous policies of CFK.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @29 No external power needs to do anything with regards to Argentina. They'll do it all themselves. Better just leave them to it and focus on something positive, like growth.

    Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    No, I simply command a panoply of vocabulary based from a broad cross-segment of the Anglosphere, thus I have probably incorporated elements of British and American lexicon. I don't really know in general which term is used in one place over the other, except for the curse words of course.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Ok thanks, just wondering! Nice phrase 'kibosh'!

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @32 Mainly american.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Well, I don't know since I am not technically a native speaker even though I have such proficiency. Most terminology I have learned from whatever English standard is neutral based, in the sense it is not entirely confined to slang (which is very region specific). The vocabulary lists I learned (thousands of words), were only terms and phrases, that while may have heavier usage in certain locations, can be applied and uses across the English language demesne.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    for all British and Uk people, what anyboy knows about Mercosur and what anybody knows about what Argentina can do about protetionism
    and what the Mercosur alaw under agreement to do? x becouse every body here talk to much bullshit about Argentina

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ernie4001

    36@ pepegalleta, independent of what many guys here can say. Argentina has the right to do whatever it wants about protectionism (even though it´s anachronic), but simple logic tells for Uruguay it´s better to drive it´s way into the other side of the continent since APEC (AsiaPacific) economies are a much more stronger block, grow faster and trade rules are clearer by far than Mercosur. But at the end, it´s up to the uruguayan govermment.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @36 If the argies want to put protections onto their good, they're distorting the free market which will adapt to those conditions, but all things being equal the only people who ultimately get poked in the face by market distortions like protectionism are the people putting them on.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I'm British and would use the phrase “put the kibosh” on something - but only in spoken rather than written English. I've not really thought about it before but probably wouldn't have known the correct spelling of “kibosh”

    36 pepegalleta

    Welcome - but you need to spend more time on your grammar because I didn't understand a word of that. (other than you think we all talk bull about Argentina)

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @19 ”Uruguay is one of the most economically developed countries in South America, with a high GDP per capita and the 48th highest Human Development Index in the world as of 2011, and the first by human development in Latin America, when inequality is factored in. Uruguay is also noted for its low levels of corruption, being ranked by Transparency International as the second least corrupt country in Latin America (behind Chile).“ Shame about that, eh?

    @29 Now the question is ”so the point is mute“? That would be really good. In proper English, the phrase would be ”so the point is moot“. But ”mute“, i.e. soundless, would be good for you. Silence, child.

    Would you consider nuclear oblivion to be bold and adventuresome?

    @36 That would be bullshit then? Pointless bullshit!

    @37 & 38 We should just accept argie ”protectionism”. Don't buy anything from them. Don't sell anything to them. Isolation!!

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    19 Uruguay I think has only 4.000.000 citizens?, how can you compare Uruguay with Argentina?, is like your talkink about an Argentina provincia, I think Cordoba has more people than Uruguay.
    Uruguay is not the saint here, a lot of the corruption money is in Uruguayans banks, do you know that?, Uruguay is a pataiso fiscal regarding money, nobody ask in Uruguay whete the money come from. Don t be ridicoulos

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @40

    And you matter because... _____________

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @42 tobias

    No that should be, you matter because ____________?

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I matter because I actually make sense thus contribute to the debate. Conqueror, and possibly you, do not because you bring absolutely nothing to the table. Don't blame the messenger. Re-read Conqueror's comments and if you have half a neuron you'll conclude it's vulgar and misanthropic trolling.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    nobody here can compare Uruguay with Argentina, it is a very small country,
    Argentina helps more Uruguay than Uruguay helps Argentina, plus banks in Uruguay has the black aregentinian money, We builded Punta del Este, we have a lot Uruguayans living in Argentina, Uruguay never dis anything for Argentina.
    Why we have to do more for Uruguay?

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redcoat

    @44 tobias
    I no doubt bring nothing to the table useful to you and no doubt you think you make sense and contribute, but just to feign superiority to elude criticism, you are not only little better than those you criticise, but are not actually contributing as you claim.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    19 McClick “Uruguay is just a sloppy country” Well, I beg to differ with your value judgement and offer a retort based on fact:

    Argentina is a vast country with massive natural resources sloppily run by a bunch of wanabee thugs headed by a Mad Bitch who has bi-polar sydrone in spades.

    There, I think we can all agree with that.

    41 pepegalleta
    ”Uruguay is a pataiso (? WTF) fiscal regarding money, nobody ask in Uruguay whete(where?) the money come from.”

    You, as usual, know nothing of the facts. When I came to Uruguay last year I had to prove where my money came from, obtain a letter from my Bank stating that they knew me personally, use an established International Money Trader and have my money held by the Bank EACH TIME MONEY WAS TRANSFERRED TO MY ACCOUNT.

    When I enquired why all this was necessary I was informed very firmly that, unlike 'other countries in the region (clearly Argentina) the Bank had a duty to ensure the money was ligitimate and in NO way associated with drug cartels.

    And your latest bollocks that ”Uruguay never dis (does?) anything for Argentina” is just laughable.

    The balance of payments between the two countries is clearly in Argentinas favour (despite what Pepe would have us believe), just check the figures for yourself. Oh! You cannot, you are in the USA you claim. The reality is your lot bully Uruguay because you know we are only a tenth of your size.

    BUT THE DAY WILL COME, and I hope I am still alive to see it, that Argentina will have to pay everybody back for the shit they keep throwing everywhere.

    As they say in America: have a nice day, missing you already. You just KNOW they are lying to your face - just like Argentinos.

    Mar 14th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    Chris47 you are not gonna teachme how do business in Argentina and Uruguay, you have a lot to learn about it, I do and did more business in Argentina and Uruguay than you and your entire family and friends, as ussual you don t know a shit about business, may be you are a great gardiner, but not a businessman and if you are in the islabds you are not even in real world, you are a patasito like most of the islanders, if you ate in Chubut is almost the same shitt, who doesen t know anything about non nominals accounts in Uruguay is you. In Urugual there are accounts like in Suiza, no names only corporations that can open banks accounts but the name will never come out, only numbers and I know that very well. I am not talking about a guy who wants to depisit $10.0000 I am talking about big corporations.
    Again, I know that very well, why dont you search in internet about it.
    Us Uruguay is where Argentinians send the money to hide.
    Plus Punta del Este has been build with dirty Argentinian money. I don t know where are you from, don t think you are Argentinian, you supous to know about it.
    More about it, why do you think a big chunk of credit cards that argentinians have are from Uruguay?
    I sm not talking becouse some body told me about it, I growed up in Argentina, I know from experience about all this, then don t tell me that I don t know about it, I know more than you how this works.
    Then there are a lot Argentinians corporation exporting from Argentina, but the bill of lading is from Uruguay, that mean yhe price that shows the argentinian invoice is may be less than the cost and all the profits are includ in a Uruguayan invoice,
    There are a lot tricks in international business, I have been working several years expirting. Read about it snd learn how the real international business works.
    Then, be a goid gardiner or may be you can come to pick up my garbage every day, but about real business you don t have an idea.
    Go to college, do something for you parasito

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @48 “I am not talking about a guy who wants to depisit $10.0000” Just so you know, $10.0000 = $10. I hope you don't email any of these people you do business with, your illiteracy is a massive liability.

    The reason they invoice from Uruguay is so they can retain the dollars and often get some kind of credit line. Company directors will typically get paid in Uruguay also, so they can keep their money outside of Argentinian monetary controls. They're not hiding it there, they're just keeping it from being converted into Arg Pesos.

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    49 you are wrong, there are some kinds of acc in Uruguay that are non nominated, only numbers, be inform

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brit abroad

    @22 Silly Pirate

    “Argentina should use the same laws USA used to separate the friends from foes and then eliminate every foe one at a time and not their turf.”

    but youd be left isolated as you have no real friends!

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    48 pepegalleta

    Well, touch a nerve did we? I would love to know WTF you are talking about, but as usual, your USA University education has let you down.

    I was talking about individuals, not corporations. AND yes there will always be crooked bankers to go with the crooked corporations.

    BUT, you numbnut, why is Uruguay so much more trusted than Argentina by the IMF? Why can Uruguay loan money to the IMF, who would not take 'dirty' money (and remember they vet the countries).

    ANSWER: Argentina is a country of crooks. WHY is that so? ANSWER: the government of Argentina are a bunch of corrupt individuals who rob everybody blind - so, the businessman is going to keep as much of his money as he can,.

    I suggest that you calm down and learn to write English, or even American, so that we can all understand you better. AND, for someone who is perpetually whining about being abused, I suggest you stop your uninformed insults.

    At least when the Brits make statements they do it from a position of reality.

    Now go away and play with yourself and get a bit of relief.

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    Crhis if I need any suggestion from you I will let you know, since tody I did bot ask you for any and I don need it.
    Usa an Uk has the most Corrupt banks on this world, what are you talking about, more corruption than what Uk and USA banks did in the last 10 years us not easy to do. In wich world are you, don t you read newspapers, tv news?, do you still have brains?,
    You said Argentinian Banks are corrupt?, I am sure some may be but UK an US banks are really profetionals close to the perfection regRding corruption,
    I think you ate in other world, you forgot what Uk and USA banks did and kills all poeple savings.
    Don t you know what US did?, three trillons of dollars from the gevernment that means tax people money has been paid to 3 fucking banks.
    Are you stupid or what?, may be you are from the islands or islandisney .
    You don t know a shit about economy and how the Financial system works.
    Argentinian banks ate babys regarding corruption compared with UK and USA banks.

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    “Argentinian banks ate babys regarding corruption compared with UK and USA banks.” hmm.. I'm really not sure what that means.

    Let's just ask the FATF about which is more transparent, the Argentinian or the UK and USA banking systems? Oh wait, Argentina doesn't like the FATF and gives false figures.

    Hmm... reliable and trustworthy.

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pepegalleta

    Greekyoughurt
    do you remember what happend with City bank in US , washing narcotraffic money?
    How can you talk bullshit about argentinian banks?, I think you have a very short memory
    Be informed,you have a lot to learn about how banks works and from where are getting money

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    54 GreekYoghurt

    Well, there you have it! You and I do not understand what banks do. It must be so, the University (of the USA no less) educated pepegalleta has spoken!

    I don't know about you but I have been involved in multi-national businesses, managing millions of pounds on fixed cost budgets, nevermind the variable budgets and all the same time my fellow directors and I did not understand our banks!

    How can we ever thank this marvel of the the banking regime.

    Ha, Ha, Ha, etc. :o)

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I studied banking as a part of economics many moons ago. It's not terribly difficult, just when you get into the more colourful banking products.

    The issue is that UK banks have a good idea where money is coming from and where it's going. Argentintian banks, although mainly unused and empty, have not the faintest clue about the sources of deposited monies.

    Quite fun for the Argies though.

    Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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