MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
US confirms ‘neutral position’ in Falklands’ dispute; hopes for cooperation on practical issues
United States stated that it maintains its “neutral position” over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands dispute between Argentina and UKand hopes for an agreed solution, an official source of the US government assured after the three day visit of British Prime Minister David Cameron which included several meetings at the White House Read full article
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Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is something fishy about Barney's effusiveness with Cameron on his visit. Must mean that war with Iran is just around the corner. Who else can America rely on when push comes to shove but the other Anglo countries.
At least they are not like the Italians who have been caught paying the Taliban not to attack them. Argies are largely Italian colonists transplanted to South America.
@STRATEGICUS
Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least Argentinian don’t bomb their relatives in Europe as you do in the Middle East and Africa.
Think about it...
Malvinistas translation of this story:
Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US are undoubtedly on the Argentine side and therefore the UK have no hope. The whole world is against the UK and the whole world knows that the Malvinas are Argentine.
Chuckle chuckle
Would one of you Malvinistas kindly answer the following simple questions if you are able to. Try to use facts and not rhetoric.
1. List the countries that have formally declared that they are on Argentina's side. Not the ones that have simply urged the UK and Argentina to resume negotiations but the ones that have said “ we believe the islands belong to Argentina and that the UK should pull out immediately”.
2. Of the ones that have declared their support, what are they actually doing to make a difference? Have they pledged money, ships, tanks, troops, guns, trade embargoes with the UK, or what? What tangible evidence is there that they are helping Argentina. Stopping Falkland flagged vessels does not really count because we all know that is having no net result.
Oh and by the way. When are we going to hear from KFC and President Pinera and their joint declaration in support of the Argentine position? That was obviously another load of BS like the famous Pink House announcement of a couple of months ago.
It's interesting to see that some inside Argentina are starting to wonder how long before the military decide to take back control. Maybe it would be for the best. I must keep an eye out for the poll in one of the papers. Freedom of speech and all that.
Chuckle chuckle.
@3The Falklands are British,
Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe we should be thankful that mrs rubberface is in control.
All she does is talk.
lf the military get back in they may invade again.
I did enjoy thinks whole speil about how the US was on Argentina's side because they used the word “de facto” rather than another word.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't see him much on the post where a US congressman openly supported the islanders.
Shame.
4 Isolde
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about their military. All they're capable of taking is the Pink House. I realise now why the successive “democratic” governments scaled down the military (well actually the UK scaled it down nicely in 82. Their governments simply never scaled it back up again. LOL!). The reason is not as they say, that they are a peaceful nation. The reason is quite clearly to prevent the military from getting ideas of a coup.
Oh I vaguely remember someone going on about “ de facto is not recognised” or some shit like that.
Chuckle chuckle.
At least Argentinian don’t bomb their relatives in Europe as you do in the Middle East and Africa.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think about it...
You daft rascist, any road you argies got down to a fine art killing your own
@stick up your junta
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You by killing innocent Irish in NI doesn’t make you look any good. Doesn’t it?
8 Dany Berger
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where's this Chilean and Argentine joint declaration? We're all waiting with our knees shaking.
Chuckle chuckle
I personally think it's good for the USA to stay neutral. It's not an issue they need to get involved in. You don't invite three people to a fight.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Better we just kick their arses unilaterally.
Neutral but not impartial then. A refreshing change from the U Thant/UN version of impartial but not neutral.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN C24 is neither impartial nor neutral.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 however IS irrelevant !
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 “You by killing innocent Irish in NI doesn’t make you look any good. Doesn’t it?”
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So since when have us Brits been the IRA?
Theres a big difference between shooting a few members of the IRA and the IRA bombing civilians in the street to that of argentina kidnapping over 30,000 of it's own people and throwing them out of airplanes at 10,000 ft. Hypocrite.
I wouldn't bother Teaboy, our friend Dany is truly one sandwich short of a picnic. He's the same guy that thinks Argentina is stronger than the UK in military terms. His first account was banned for continuously posting nonsense.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway where is Marcos with his spurious news stories about the UK lying now? Seems you'll have to take back all of those things you were saying yesterday.
@15 I wouldn't describe a smashed plate with a used paper cup of ditch-water and something taken from a bin as a picnic.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 I say, old boy, be calm. Now take a deep breath and tell us all about it. It seems that you don't like them. Is that argieland as a whole or all individual argies? Do you think there might be “some” nice, reasonable ones? Locked up in an asylum somewhere.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TOLD YOU. Poor Cameron. What a denial... And Mercopress must be sooooo sad
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How bizarre @20 - Nothing, not word has stated Cameron has lied but yet you say he has for an unknown reason on several threads, I suspect you've got some issue with understanding and logic.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please show me where the USA has said he's lying?
The only people who have proven to be continuous liars are Argentina. Even the IMF has demanded Argentina stop lying and then there was the recent lying by Timmerman at the UN which caused much hilarity around the world and was so embarrassing the UN didn't even respond to their demands.
Secret military radar you say? Oh you mean the weather radar which has been sharing its data with universities around the world.
2 DanyBerger:
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0quote: “At least Argentinian don’t bomb their relatives in Europe as you do in the Middle East and Africa.”
No you just murder them in mass at home and bomb them in the Falklands! Nice people! Not!
Berger - a truly disgusting example of Argentine Nazism!
The squeal of nails being extracted from the coffin is getting louder....
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 and 13. U Thant was talking about the peacekeepers and agencies of the UN (eg UNHCR) not the nations in committee. Anyway, my point was that by not completing the couplet the spokesman draws attention to unsaid part. I believe that the US, neutral as it says it is, has shown itself quite partial to the UK position in the past in very practical ways and that it will do again.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22,21
Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to mention that they also murder them by drugging them with sodium penthanol and then throw them out of a plane so no one can recover the bodies.
They also do this with Catholic nuns. Argentinians love nuns.... wait let's construct an argument here...
Premise 1) God loves Nuns
Premise 2) Satan hates Nuns.
Premise 3) Satan hates God
Premise 4) Argentinians hate Nuns (they chuck them out of planes)
Argument 1) Argentinians and Satan hate Nuns and God.
Argument 2) Argentinians are Satan.
I thought Lost1 might like this.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Union-Jack-Falkland-Islands-Falklands-Friendship-Flag-Pin-Badge-FOREVER-BRITISH-/380417715503#ht_577wt_1031
This subject is made more of than what took place between the two leaders. More important things on the agenda.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that the same badge SAMA82 are selling? I ordered some the other day but haven't seen them yet. I think the ones I ordered said Falklands 30 on them. If they are different I might order a couple of the ones on EBay also.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could someone tell me please?
“Our position remains neutral,” an official who remained anonymous affirmed, as was advanced by Mercopress on Thursday“
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MercoStanley actually said on Thursday:
”Prime Minister David Cameron revealed President Barack Obama said the US was content with the status quo in the Falkland Islands”
Like I said on Thursday, Mr Cameron the liar failed to gain U.S. support for Britain, Merco Stanley just repeated his lies.
Truly embarrassing for them.
29 Marcos
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't begin to tell you how embarrassed I am!
When is Colonel Sanders going to make her big announcement?
Chuckle chuckle.
@29 Marcos, stop embarassing yourself. The 'status quo' and remaining neutral are the same language that comes out of the US when talking about Taiwan.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In order to remain neutral they have to support a current state, they cannot remain neutral and support flip-flopping between two sides.
Hence they remain neutral/support the status quo, in exactly the same way they do with Taiwan.
Is that clear enough or are you going to make yourself look like an imbecile and repeat what you said a few minutes ago?
. 8 DanyBerger---- you are a silly little person aren't you the only people I remember killing in Northern Ireland were the silly little Irish terrorists that brought death and destruction to their fellow citizens who wanted to remain British. I also remember attending many scenes of destruction where I saw men, women, and children lying dead with limbs severed and funnily enough, they died from either car bomb explosions planted in busy shopping places or bombs planted in busy shops and not one bomb was planted by bad English, Scots, or Welsh but by foolish Irish terrorists who took great delight in bringing suffering to their fellow people. People like Jean McConville, a mother of 10 who had comforted a dying British soldier who was dying on her doorstep, she was abducted away from her children taken over the border to Southern Ireland and executed by the IRA.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course scum like you condone such behaviour don't you in your hate for everything that is good in life, perhaps you should go and live in Argentina where scum like you will be made most welcome and hailed as an hero.
David Cameron - trying to copy the B.Liar
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiYHyFYHjE
@8 DanyBerger - Spot to difference
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 02,927,900 Jews exterminated by the Germans in WWII.
13 IRA members (albeit unarmed at the time) killed by British soldiers in 1972.
@29 Marcos Alejandro
Do you actually know what a lie is, or is it just a word you hear banished around whenever you saying something?
29
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure it's not you that is embarrassed Marcos? Or is that pregnant? I'm not sure because my Spanish is rusty. Either way, there is something wrong with your hormones. That's for sure.
Chuckle chuckle.
“The United States denied Cameron, who said Obama supports the British position”
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British minister bolted and forced a U.S. official to deny his claims.
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/481606/Politica/EEUU-desmintio-Cameron-dijo-Obama-apoya-posicion-inglesa-.html
How can anybody be “neutral” in this silly, artificial quarrel??
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
@33 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK so they went to the same PR company, but it is strange you think they shouldn’t be both talking about education, public services, aspiration, change, schools, India and China and more changes.
It makes you wonder what Argentinians think their government is for, maybe they think they are just for ripping off the people.
@36 Legionario
It's in Spanish, meaning it's full of misinterpretations e.g. YES gets translated into NO
@33 Marcos, you don't seem to understand the difference between neutral, which is 'a position', and status quo, which is a 'state'. However, many times people try to tell you that these people are far shrewder that you are in political language you keep referring to 'lies' which don't exist.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, I repeat..The US position on Taiwan is neutral and they support the status quo, the current state. The US position on the Falklands is neutral and they support the status quo, the current state.
Seriously, are you just an imbecile or do you know nothing of foreign relations? Either way, you're making yourself look a tit.
Well, I guess that fake email really was a fake. haha
Mar 17th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Told us what? Listen to yourself, psycho!
Mar 17th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Two words. “Neutral” and “support”. Do you understand the difference? Like a wee while ago you were so gung-ho that you thought the U.S. supported argieland. Now the U.S. says it supports the current (de facto) situation and is otherwise neutral and you think this doesn't display acceptance of the UK position. Just go to show how dumb foreigners are!
@36 A statement gleaned from a publication incapable of proper translation.
Are there ANY intelligent argies?
I find Marcus funny now, at first I was annoyed with his posts but then after reading subsequent posts and his recent posts about the Prime Minister lying for agreeing with the 'status quo' or the position remaining neutral (which is exactly the same thing) its quite obvious the guy either;
Mar 17th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Does not have the mental capacity to tell its the same thing
2. Doesn't have a good enough grip of the English language to understand its the same.
3. Is an Argentine fanatic that tries desperately to convert everything to a Argentina victory even if as above it means telling ridiculous lies.
I've not worked out which one it is yet or maybe its a combination of all 3?
42 Xect
Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are all fanatics and like all fanatics they are not very bright.
“At least Argentinian don’t bomb their relatives in Europe as you do in the Middle East and Africa”
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They just push them out of aircraft (alive) into the sea instead...
At least Argentinian don’t bomb their relatives in Europe as you do in the Middle East and Africa”
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They just push them out of aircraft (alive) into the sea instead...
And the brits machine guns and gas them...like 4 milllions esta Indians,pushing the AMori on the cliff,pushing for opium,killinf d the Zulus,no prisioners..uk sucks.uk will be obliterated...down with the brits pirates
“Thirty years on, even after heaping cringe-worthy amounts of lavish praise on the Obama Administration during his recent visit, British Prime Minister David Cameron is still no closer to receiving explicit American support for British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. This is a shameful disregard of the Special Relationship”
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The fact that President Obama could not bring himself, or his State Department for that matter, to publicly support and acknowledge Britain’s control over the Falkland Islands is, at best, embarrassing for Cameron and at worst, dangerous for the Special Relationship. Especially when the subject of the Falkland Islands is so important to the U.K.
Surprisingly, at the very end of an article on David Cameron’s visit, The New York Times reports:
“On Wednesday, Mr. Obama offered Mr. Cameron some comfort. The United States, he said, would stop prodding Britain and Argentina to talk to each other, but stick to its historic position of neutrality.”
There are two problems here.
First, there is no direct quote from President Obama, the White House, or the State Department. There is no source for these unattributed comments. This is important, because if what The New York Times reported is actually true, then this would mean a reversal of the Obama Administration’s policy on backing U.N. mediation over the status of the Islands”
Cameron the liar indeed.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/03/17/obama-disappoints-on-the-falkland-islands/
45
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deep breaths Malvi.
@34Redcoat,
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding malvinistas & lies.
l've made this observation before, however.
They lie to save face & to save them from embarrassment, as in some countries in SE.Asia.
Also, to them, its quite acceptable to lie to an enemy or a stranger.
They lie to get what they want if they can't get it any other way.
lts the same behavior as firing at soldiers AFTER you've put up a white flag, like they did in the Falklands.
They have to win, all the time. NO-ONE can win ALL the time.
But thats not in their psyche.
l can imagine how their defeat in 1982 eats away at them.
Thats the reason that they told themselves that they won & sank one of our carriers.
And so they lie.
They don't consider it lying.
What have we got in common with them.........not much!
It still seems obvious good old Marcus cannot tell the difference between lying or not. He thinks quoting articles that seem to suggest Cameron was seeking more even though he's never said this somehow equates to lying
Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Mr-T would say 'I pity the fool!'
@Anti-Fascist
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? I guess you are so wrong. Don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk
BTW can you hold your temper and nasty under class vocabulary please?
Thanks.
“In the UK everyone is equal, regardless of race, colour or creed. I understand your fascist mind set can not understand that concept.”
So you admit to have relatives in Africa and Middle East after all. Good I tough you were those nasty racist that denies they relatives from Africa roots.
The rest doesn't worth to answer. Thanks
Are you serious Malvinero? India has been independent since 1948. The opium wars were in the 1830/40s and the 1850/60s. The Zulu wars in the 1870s.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys were pushing people out of planes in the 1980s!
http://cameron-cloggysmoralcompass.blogspot.com/2011/04/lying-prime-minister-david-cameron-is.html
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now you posting someones blog.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're starting to get as desperate as the Argentine government!
Keep digging Marcos :)
Marcos Alejandro showing his desperation again. Scraping the barrel. Is there any surprise that a Republican lobby group would write anti-Obama stuff. As for the blog, that's just hilariously desperate. Try harder Alejo.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 What's the issue?
Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact 1) Obama and his cabal hate British people.
Fact 2) The Special Relationship is all but dead.
Fact 3) UK has 6 type 45 Destroyers on order.
Fact 4) Argentinian government is crypto-Nazi and expansionist.
Fact 5) Argentina has a historical precedent of invading the islands.
Whatever Cameron says or doesn't say, you'd jump on his back because the first 2 facts aren't important. The second 3 facts are important.
It's only a matter of time before the Argentinians invade the islands. President Obama will do whatever he sees fit, and the UK will do whatever we see fit.
Your monologue is getting tiresome, Marcos. it's close to being spam and we know what happens to spam.
I think Cameron should give some better answers at Prime Ministers Equestrian Time.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A brit said “please America, do us all a favour, keep him, love UK” :-)))
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cartoon/2012/mar/13/davidcameron-barack-obama
@45Malvinero1,
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Malvi, its YOUR ancestors, the ltalians who (mustard)gassed & machine-gunned the Eithiopians from the air in 1936.
Men with spears defending their country.
You also dropped bombs on their grass huts.
Real heroes, aren't you?
Where did you get the figure of 4 million lndians dead?
l think you just made it up.(Argentine capacity for lies again).
lt took less than a year for British,Commonwealth & Eithiopian troops to recapture ltalian East Africa in 1941.
Your best troops were not even ltalian, but Eritraen.
Whats an AMori? Where & why did we push them off a cliff?
You going to pieces, man.
56 Marcos
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's actually a little bit funny Marcos. You DO keep up with UK politics don't you!
Tell me though Marcos, you little devil. when is your president going to tell us what her and President Pinera cooked up in Santiago? Must have been a real show stopper, the silence is deafening.
Chuckle chuckle.
@58 Marcos doesn't respond... it's just a monologue. He's scared of reading people's comments so he just keeps spamming.
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence his name Marcos 'Spam' Alejandro.
We don't mind though, it's not our economy that's utterly furked.
@19 anti-fascist2
Mar 17th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK is far from drowning in a sea of immigration. Most are here for a few years, they learn our values,”
What part of the UK do you live in then, that video @50 DanyBerger is typical of a lot of area in Britain and don’t agree that most learn our values, your use of obscenities and bitter aggression are not British values.
I do get tired of subjects as remote as the Falkland Islands somehow getting hi-jacked with the racism agenda.
oF COURSE Obama is staying neutral. He is still pissed off by the release of the perpetrator of the Pan Am flight blown up over the UK. This terroist was released without the knowledge of the USA because he had cancer and was dying. I beieve he is still ticking!! What was the deal between The Uk and Lybia? was it petrol for The Uk? were all these lives betrayed for petrol dollars?
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 You state the British forces only shot the IRA. What the hell was sunday bloody sunday all about? The killing of innocent civilians by military forces!!
What about the the shipping of so called “ciminals” to penal settlements like Australia or the “Irish potato famine?”
No mate your people are not saints!! only human like everybody else.
There level of intelligence is bewildering to say the least,
Mar 17th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems they interpret things totally different from the rest of us,
And yet swear that they are not indoctrinated,
At this moment in time, the Americans are neutral , they will sit on the fence , they have no wish or need to get involved, , not that should be simple to understand,
The islands have been British for over 150 years, and the people of those islands want to freely remain British, now that is simple to understand,
So where they get all this rubbish about Africa and Europe I really don’t know,
One day, perhaps they will fully understand the meaning of, you cannot have what you don’t own,
And never owned, only children demand, and only children stamp their feet,
So come on Argentina you are better than this silly deluded woman that supposes to represents you,
It seems that her ambition and agenda is totally different from her population.
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Kelpers (IGNORANTS AND ROBBERS).
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17045169
@61 Shows you know nothing about politics. Guess what? The IRA was paid for and trained by Americans and.. wait for it... Libyans. IRA style IEDs are now turning up everywhere, including Colombia, Afghanistan..et cetera. You know colombia? It's in Latin America.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The guy sent back to Libya, well that was Scotland's decision. If you want to get upset, get upset at them specifically.
... Now you can get back to pushing nuns out of planes, because that's all you folks seem to be able to do successfully.
Ah another conspiracy theorists that has watched far too many episodes of the X-files.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obama really couldn't care less about the release of the Lockabe bomber and it wasn't down to the UK it was a Scottish decision in keeping with their traditions of releasing dying prisoners where appropriate.
I wonder how old you were before you moved from Argentina to Australia if you actually did?
Fact 1) Obama and his cabal hate British people.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fact 2) The Special Relationship is all but dead.
Fact 3) UK has 6 type 45 Destroyers on order.
Fact 4) Argentinian government is crypto-Nazi and expansionist.
Fact 5) Argentina has a historical precedent of invading the islands.
Wrong,is uk who invaded OUR ISLAND and evicted the population,and lowered OUR flag,beign there for over 13 years....Shame on the brits pirates...anyway,justice will prevail and uk will e OBLITERATED......Just wait,there is justice in the end.Then the brits survivors will have to emigrate to SA to save their skin...
45Malvinero1,
No Malvi, its YOUR ancestors, the ltalians who (mustard)gassed & machine-gunned the Eithiopians from the air in 1936.
Men with spears defending their country.
Aahahah isolde sweety,nothing compares with the mass murder by the brits.They got the guinnes in that!
Anyway what do they know about the relationship between the UK and America,
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fact or fiction
And American ship USS Churchill
DDG-81 Winston Churchill
this ship, symbol of the special relationship, carries the name of the British prime minister
has a RN man on board on exchange at all times, and quite often flies the White Ensign on the mast
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Just in case/, it happens to be true .
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@ 51Are you serious Malvinero? India has been independent since 1948. The opium wars were in the 1830/40s and the 1850/60s. The Zulu wars in the 1870s.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You guys were pushing people out of planes in the 1980s!
Spot on, and they either have been judged and convicted or currently being tried for it.
now please enlighten us JA! Who was convicted for the opium wars?
@64 so it was Scotlands fault was it?? You make it sound like you wished Sotland was not part of The UK. Did they embarass you?
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0THe Foreign Office would have known what Scotland was up to, but they did not interfere simply because it was not to their interest to do so and if anything went wrong well BLAME IT ON THE SCOTS!! no wonder they want to become independent who can blame them. Is this the politicians you expect Obama to trust??
don´t talk to loud maybe in the future your goverment may decide to throw you out of a plane or riddle your head with bullet holes like they did to the Brazilian student JEAN CHARLES DE MENDEZ back in 2005 in London, an innocent student cornered in a tube train and riddled with four bullets in the head. Gestapo style!! remember that one??
@61
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0There was alot more to Bloody Sunday than meets the eye.
While I don't condone the shoting of any unarmed civilians, I don't think you realise the what the situation was like in N.Ireland at that time.
It was a tense time, with British soldiers pushed to the very limits of stress. Snipers taking potshots at them from inside housing estates, the local populance would often take and hide guns dropped by fallen IRA members, and then claim “He was a peaceful Catholic boy, who never hurt a fly”.
Sooner or later, a targedy like this was bound to happen. The protesters were to told to disband and go home, they didn't and 'Bloody Sunday' was the unfortunate result.
@69 good points mate however they don't like to recall Jean Charles de Mendez. They would much rather highlight others' shortcomings. In fact, they pretty much have the longest of faces I've seen whilst, at the same time, the stench of hypocrisy fills this place.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@69 What the Scottish do is nothing to do with me. Scottish people can choose if they want to be part of the UK or not. That's for them to decide. The foreign office aren't involved in a decision based on prisons. If they become independent that's for them to choose.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jean Charles de Mendez is something no one in the UK is happy about. You don't need to bring his name up here, as it was a terrible error in judgement.
@70 People (Argies) don't use context here. They just present facts in a completely context free way that makes them appear right, when they're clearly wrong.
@71 & 69
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mistakes happen.
In the Uk though, when they do happen, a public inquest (both bloody sunday & Mendez )is called and if someone is found to have acted otherwise than in accordance to the guidelines set out for them, they will be held accountable for there actions.
@72
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jean Charles de Mendez is something no one in the UK is happy about. You don't need to bring his name up here, as it was a terrible error in judgement
Oh, and Argentine's are overjoyed about the people being pushed off planes? Give my a fuck** break
@74 It's different. The UK aren't into assassinations and it was a time of crisis when the entire of london was on a state of alert after a series of bombings of buses and underground trains led the police to think another was about to occur. His assassination was an error in judgement from the police, trying to prevent suicide bombings.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Compare this to Argentinians who freely accept they have no interest in the lives of people who have lived on islands for hundreds of years, whose whole life is on those islands and the Argentinians freely discuss their annihilation, turning them into dispossessed refugees at best, or chucking them out of planes like nuns at worst. Just so Argentinians can get their hands on something that currently they don't own.
British people feel unhappy about this kind of thing, whereas Argentinians feel happy about it. Get over it.
@75
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has tried and convicted (or is currently trying) those involved in the violation of human rights during the military dictatorship. In fact, there are few examples out there of countries having undergone a military dictatorship and putting them on trial.
On the flip side, although the UK will hold those who murdered de Mendez accountable, I don't recall the UK taking any steps to right their wrongs of not only selling opium (through the East Indian Co.) to the Chinese population but also forcing opium on them when they refused it by Opium Wars.
Don't get on moral high ground, it doesn't suit you and the fall can be nasty when the stench of hypocrisy reaches your nostrils and causes you to lose your balance
@76
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0How do you propose we right the wrongs of our actions during the Opium wars?
As there is nobody left alive today who can be held accountable, do you suggest we try and convict the ancestors of the perpertrators? Or do you think paying repartition would be the way forward?
If so what do you propose to do about the genocide and mass displacement of the natives of Argentina? Or the fact that your country offered asylum to wanted Nazi war criminals, shall we get the Jewish community to send you a bill?
Helber:Don't get on moral high ground, it doesn't suit you and the fall can be nasty when the stench of hypocrisy reaches your nostrils and causes you to lose your balance.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree totally with you.It is amazing the stupidity of the pro brits in this forum,pulling something extremely small,in world magnitude.The brits will loose heavily if they try to tell others people faults...They are so vomitive,that sometimes I think they are zombies....They do not even know,or realize their own history!
uk IS Such a decadent country...I am SOOOo GLAD I do not live in that nuthouse...
@75 Argentinians feel HAPPY ABOUT IT!! A mother who had her babies stolen IS HAPPY ABUT IT!! Parents who had their daughters raped ARE HAPPY ABOUT IT!! families whose loved ones were murdered and were not seen again ARE HAPPY ABOUT IT!! YOU SIR ARE A SCOUNDREL!!
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0A LIFELESS INDIVIDUAL WITH NO MORALS!! but of course you want to hide the JEAN CHARLES DE MENDEZ incident under the carpet so as not to upset too many people on this forum WHICH MAKES YOU A CRUEL,
SPITEFUL AND MALICIUOS INDIVIDUAL
@77
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0my point exactly Optical. Nothing can be done about those wrongs now can it?
Therefore, it is highly laudable (I believe) that unlike many, most I would add, countries in the world, Argentina is currently putting on trial those involved in the flagrant violation of human rights during the military dictatorship.
Now, as you correctly point out, nothing can be done nowadays about the wrongs committed before and during the Opium Wars. But what about Iraq? Do you foresee the UK trying anyone for their misinformed intervention in Iraq?
See that's my point! Not only is it too late to right the wrongs of the Opium Wars, but those wrongs that could be set right (Iraq) wont' be.
@78
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0We fully realise and understand our very long history.
I make no excuses for some of our past mis-givings, but I'm also very proud of MOST of what my tiny island nation has managed to achieve.
@76 You say that Argentina tries and convicts people who are in violation of human rights. Let's look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which Argentinians are signatories:
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Article 12: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.” - You continuously do this to the Falkland Islanders.
”Article 13: (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.“ - You're doing everything you can to prevent this with the falklanders.
”Article 17: (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.“ - The Argentinians are desperate to deprive the Falkland Islanders of their property.
”Article 21: (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives. (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country. (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.“ - The Argentinians desperately try to avoid acknowledging the validity of the FIG
”Article 30: Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.” - Again, the Argentinians are guilty of this.
Your opium example is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that the Argentinians don't really do human rights.
@80
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helber, what about the flagrant violation of human rightsof the Iraqi people during the military dictatorship of Saddam?
While I may not be 100% behind the way the Iraq war was handled, I do believe the Iraqi people are much better off than were.
In Basra, the Iraqi people welcomed the UK troops as hero's. This I know for a fact.
@83 He also chose a very interesting war.. the 1990 Invasion of Kuwait (1982 Invasion of Falklands), where Iraq (Argentina) invaded Kuwait (Falklands) because they wanted to annex it and take the resources. The president continuously claimed it was state policy and it was a popular cause.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Freudian slip?
The Ba'athist party doesn't exist any more.
@83
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Iraqis are better off or not, I believe it is for them to state it not us. Secondly, even if they themselves do state that they are better off that still does not right the means used and all the excused given to invade.
@82
Argentina is today a leading example of showcasing that Argentina does care about human rights. In case you missed it, I'll write it for you again. Argentina is one of the few, very few, countries to have tried those responsible for flagrant human rights violations. The same cannot be said for many other countries out there.
And please, spare me the copy and paste of various articles
@85 I just copied and pasted it from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Sorry that Argentina doesn't seem to care about human rights, certainly when it comes to the rights of the Falkland Islanders.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you cannot understand that, because of the programming.
@85
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The people of Basra would and DO back what I said about being better off than they were.
When our troops pulled out, they expressed genuine regret at our leaving.
This I know from the stories of friends who have returned, sporting pictures of themselves with happy locals.
@86 Err no.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had I wanted to refer to the invasion of Kuwait I would have written that! So, please don't put words into my posts!
I wrote the 'invasion of Iraq' and I meant that just.
So, it looks like the Freudian slip is all your own.
@87
even if you were right, Basra does not make Iraq much in the same way that 1 night does not make a year.
Additionally, there is still the issue of having invaded Iraq for the all the wrong reasons. I need not cite them, do i?
@88
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't confuse the UK with the US.
The US led the invasion of Iraq, we only supllied personnell.
The UK were a peace keeping force in the southern part of Iraq, namely Basra.
But fair point, Basra does not make Iraq, it just makes up the base of UK operations in Iraq.
@86
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am very conscious of the rights of the islanders and any solution to the ongoing dispute would have to have them at the forefront. Unlike you, I am also conscious that Argentina claims to have rights to the islands which you would seem to immediately shrug off.
@89
I am not confusing the UK with the US. By it's involvement in an illegal war (recall the French and German position which respected jus ad bellum), the UK was just as guilty as the USA in entering an illegal war. Of course you will never see Blair judged and tried for it much in the same way as you will never see George W Bush tried of it. It's just the nature of the world we live in where hypocrisy reigns. Being tried and judged by the Int'l Criminal Court is only for non-white minnows.
@73 you mention that there is normally a public /military inquest when the rules are broken.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the Irish massacre (sunday bloody sunday)liutenant Derek Wilford gave orders to Captain Michael Jackson to openfire on the peaceful protest.
Wilford was awarded the OBE by HM goverment and JAckson
ascended to the highest rank in the British Military until he retired some years ago.Is this what you call a public/military inquest where nobody was punished?
@90 So which dispute is that? The dispute where Argentina demands to 'have the islands at any cost' that is enshrined in their constitution? The dispute where Argentina does everything it can to ruin the livelihoods of the islanders? That's not a dispute, that's a war-by-proxy.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are in no way conscious of the Human Rights of the Islanders, which is shown by your continous support for a political entity which has no more or less validity from the perspective of colonialisation. Your programmed support only goes to show how little regard for human rights Argentina and Argentinians have. So could ethically or moralistically wish that on the islanders?
Your ethics are messed up. You call invading a country which invaded another territory good (1982) and then you call invading a country which invaded another territory bad (1990). Please get a moral compass, thanks.
Your programming has failed you.
@82 + @86. What a childish and sensationalist interpretation of this declaration. This is the type of thing that makes me not want to participate on this site any more.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 012. The Argentine government doesn't spy or interfere with the private life of the islanders.
13. The Malvinas are not a State, and any complaints on Article 13 about movement of people should be directed to your local government or the UK, not a country that has no saying in your migration policies. Argentina doesn't legislate your laws, nor is preventing you from moving to the UK.
17. With great patience and effort I would like to ask you to point out where and when Argentina has threatened to deprive property away from the islanders. Natural Resources are not private property and your house, your car, your pets will not be taken from you.
“Argentina desperately tries”... Come back when you have some valid accusation to make. One that is in fact, a fact? You know, based on actual deeds?
I don't know why i bother really. I will see this nonsense again posted by the same poster in a few days on a different article.
No news like old news :-)
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/invasion-of-south-georgia-1982/
@91 well we cannot really compare with Julio Argentino Roca who was made president of Argentina for such a successful genocide of the first nations people and not forgetting Conrado Villegas who had an entire region named after him for such a fine slaughter.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm... moral compass free.
@93 Hi there Troneas, thanks for the accusation.
I understand that you have issues reading the text so, to make it clearer, let's just look at the spirit of the UDHR:
“Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people” - Now, we all know that the Falkland Islanders live in fear of the Argentinians who continuously threaten to invade, usurp their government, make the people subjects to an alien power against their will.
“Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law” - Tyranny and oppression is of course what the Argentinians plan on pressing onto the Falklanders through their continuous demands of ownership over the Falklands.
Article 12 refers to interference and damage to reputation. The continuous harassment and accusation of the Falkland Islanders as 'pirates' or thieves is intrinsically abusive. You might not think so, but of course you don't, you're Argentine.
I admit article 13 may not be as relevant.
Article 15 is important because if and when the Falklanders choose to be their own nation of people's and take a nationality, then the Argentinians cannot deprive them of that.
Article 17 is very relevant. You cannot deprive the Falklanders of their property regardless of what it consists of. They are entitled to do what they like with their property.
Thanks.
@95 You still don't understand that those articles are guidelines for Governments that have a direct impact on the land and the people they have jurisdiction over. It is completely irrelevant to mention them. If decisions Argentina take indirectly affect you, that is because you are 400 km away from its shores and it is within their sovereign right to do so.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would encourage you to read up on the Argentine Constitution and what it says with regards to its intent to the Malvinas before letting your mind take journeys to the land of “what they plan to do...”
Article 12 refers to what local Governments and those with jurisdiction over the subjects in question ought not to do with regards to damage and reputation. It attempts governments from bullying and single out individuals for any reason.
As for the accusation of “pirates” - by international law the only two people who represent any State in international affairs are the head of State or Government and the Minister of Foreign Affairs / Chancellor. If you find any proof of any such Argentine person who has occupied or currently occupies any of these two jobs please link them here.
Bringing up human rights articles for stuff you read in papers or magazines is just... stupid.
@92
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0and then you call invading a country which invaded another territory bad (1990). Please get a moral compass, thanks.
Where did I state this? Please quote me where I state that!
First accusing me of a Freudian slip when it was all your own and now advising me to get a moral compass based your mis quotes.
@96 If you're correct then the UDHR doesn't really do anything. For example, Freedom of religion is only for people within a certain religion. Makes us all wonder why the wording of the act is so clear, and yet to you only refers to specific groups under specific situations, rather than as it suggests “that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind”. It does explain why Saudi Arabia was sponsoring the UN Religious Freedom and Understanding Forum though.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The head of state of Argentina is currently turkey neck, and the foreign minister is Timer 'I cry at the UN but never follow their resolutions' man. Thanks for asking.
“First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
Well, they're hardly being respectful and her advert clearly hinted towards the current population not existing, everyone speaking spanish and the new population being of argentinian heritage. If that's not ethnic cleansing...
Now I know you're upset that you don't like Human Rights and you like having things which aren't yours, we understand that. You're argentinian.
i guess from your last post^^ where you fail to quote me, you won't be quoting me will you GreekYoghurt?
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@99 I'm not going back through all your monologuised spam to find the specific quote. You know you support KFC, I know you support KFC... all argentinians were dancing in the streets when they knew of the invasion of the falklands. You, like all argentinians loved the invasion of the Falklands. You probably enjoyed Iraq invading Kuwait in some kind of fraternalistic pants-party about getting your greedy little arg-hands on some natural resources belonging to someone else.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even your BFF timerman says you now own the entire South Atlantic, which no doubt makes your love of Anschluss go off the chart.
That's just fact, not freud.
LOL^^
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's ok mate. You don't have to quote if it doesn't suit your argument.
Old wine in new glasses :-)
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/nothing-new-from-unasur-on-the-falklands/
@101 I would need something more powerful than google to dredge through the bilge that you post up. I'm not prepared to go through them, as they're largely irrelevant and it's bad enough that I have to read them in the first place.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's better that I focus on real things, like laughing at you and Not-tron about your lusting after people's property while your Presidents energy policy loses you far more every year in lost revenues that exists as drillable oil around the Falklands. I think you import gas now.. which is fun considering the amount of gas you have.
keep demanding stuff from the islands. thanks.
@103
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess that paints you as you are GreekYoghurt!
it would appear that in your books it's ok to misquote someone and when challenged to provide the quote just dismiss the request with all sorts of alibis.
Right now the United States trades with both Argentina and the United Kingdom and nothing will be gained if we toss our support behind one's claim and nothing will be lost to the U.S. if things remain the same as they are now. So we will remain nuetral with a wink to Britain and as soon as the Oil starts flowing from the Falklands you can bet your wooden nickle the United states would back England and the Falklands if Argentina attempted to Invade, we dont like our Oil getting disrupted and since we and Britain are cousins, well. Also dont take to much stock with Argentina's threats because thats all they are, hollow threats. Wikipedia their Airforce and compaire them to what Argentina had back during the War with england compaired to today and you will see Argentina is just blowing hot air. It will take years to rebuild the Airfoce to be any kind of threat and thats only if Argentina had money to buy fighters and they started today but by that time that time comes the U.K will have its new Carriers online and oil will be flowing in the Falklands and Argentina can kiss any and I mean any hope of retaking the Falklands goodbye. Legal threats are also a non-issue because while Argentina may harp on events 200 years ago the rest of the world does not really care one way or the other. No, Argentina will moan and groan but it has not teeth.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Argentina you REALLY messed up when you backed out of that agreement with the UK for oil exploration in 2007 and now your going to have to lay in the bed you made for better or worse.
@91 aussie sunshine,
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A Lieutenant gave orders to a Captain”?
Are you sure?
ls the rest of your post as informed as this, erm fact?
Got quite a few doubts about you, mate.
Did you answer jayD, about where you are from in Oz?
The questions is: Why is the US neutral?
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because the US knows that the UK is wrong on this and therefore cannot support them. Loyalty is shown through neutrality due to UK support in the US war ventures. Hundred and fifty years now ligitimizes Uk colonial parasitism? Nope - time to correct that and not only in the Malvinas case.
@106, Isolde.... our Ozzie the Austrian probably got that snippet from google here...
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0'vostaniserbie
vostaniserbie.wordpress.com/
16 hours ago – Under the orders of Lieutenant Derek Wilford, Captain Jackson and 13 ... Jackson's role in “Bloody Sunday” “did not hinder his Military career” ...
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He can write passable engrish but is just another RG google king....
@107 Or, you might say, the US knows Argentina is right in this bilateral colonial argument but doesn't want to be seen to be involved. After all, why would anyone want to swap an efficient, US-friendly and stable administering power for one that isn't? So give peace a chance and let it be.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0(91) Aussie Sunshine
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good evening Australia…….
I wondered about the: “A Lieutenant giving orders to a Captain” too
But no more than 10 seconds of research gave a clarification......:
“Derek Wilford was ”Lieutenant CORONEL” at the time, and commander of the First Battalion of the Parachute Regiment.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26750
Your posts are well informed and consistent with the ones of a “Thinking” person.
Looking forward to reading more from you, my Aussie “Thinker” mate.
(Don’t let the turnips or that PNG head huntress, Isolde get to you :-)
To a more current topic……………..:
Here’s a picture of All-Anglo Sgt. Robert Bales who bravely fought and defeated an overwhelming superior force of 9 Afghan children, 4 Afghan women and 3 Afghan men as they slept.
He is now safe at home in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, USA.
Let’s wait and see how Anglo “Justice” acts this time…………….... Shall we?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26750
PS:
To the Turnips…:
Feel free to print and clip the picture of Sgt. Bales and place it in your wallets……..
@110 My wallet is stuffed full of Rockhopper, Borders, Barclays and Bank of America shares so no room there. On that favourite subject, disappointingly I haven't heard from the Argentinian Treasury lawyer yet but my own solicitor (who has very kindly agreed a “lose no fee deal” with me) has trebled his hourly rate and is keeping a tally of my costs for me. I hope we will see you in the public gallery of the High Court sometime soon to see the case thrown out.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and a Good morning to you.
110- how is the actions of one US soldier relevant to the falklands debate!! your sick! Debate the facts and the issue and don't trawl the press for stories about UK or US that are totally unrelated. We all have nasty incidents in our histories dont we!! but i suppose some blame a naughty junta for past crimes.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0(111) Maj. McDoD
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still “madrugada” here.......
Mrs. Dod already frying breakfast, I assume....:-)
Foolish me........... I thought all those shares were some kind of “electronic pulses” nowadays....
And, please,don't dispair, the wheels of justice are slow, but they do turn.
*Vincit Omnia Veritas*
111
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands Oil and Gas (FOGL) is considered to have very good future potential, perhaps more so than Borders. Well done on Rockhopper though, they remain the star performer to date.
Thicko... 'CORONEL' isn't engrish either... dumkopf....
Mar 18th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the Irish massacre (sunday bloody sunday)liutenant Derek Wilford gave orders to Captain Michael Jackson to openfire on the peaceful protest.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wilford was awarded the OBE by HM goverment and JAckson
ascended to the highest rank in the British Military until he retired some years ago.Is this what you call a public/military inquest where nobody was punished?
Funny old world
Martin McGuinness, Northern Ireland Deputy First Minister, Could Meet The Queen
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/15/martin-mcguinness-deputy-first-minister-northern-ireland-ira-the-queen--sinn-fein_n_1348420.html#
Martin McGuinness Head of IRA
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/15/martin-mcguinness-deputy-first-minister-northern-ireland-ira-the-queen--sinn-fein_n_1348420.html#
@ 113 Wrong assumption on so many counts, except your dawning foolishness of course. The young Dods are currently cooking up a Mothering Sunday breakfast for a start. Probably the last before the boys head off to the Falklands to freshen up the gene pool and to protect the family investment. “Nil desperandum Dod duce at auspice DoD”
Mar 18th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@116 stick up your junta
Mar 18th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Is this what you call a public/military inquest where nobody was punished”
It's the way you tell um, it's it.
A crowd of IRA supporters with known IRA members within it, that would have either been directly involved or known all about the murders (and therefore culpable) of a number of British Soldiers days before, was unlawfully fired upon.
So don’t let’s get too sentimental about how innocent they were.
@110Think,
Mar 18th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Coronel is in Chile where we had a naval squadron defeated by the Germans in 1914.
We exacted our revenge at the Falklands, where we sank their whole squadron except one ship, a few weeks later.
You win some, you lose some.
Except you malvinistas though, you lose all the time.
Thinkus horrobilus, l guess you meant COLONEL. No matter, we all make mistakes.
Your lauding of argentine sunshine, oops l mean aussie sunshine, though, smacks of desperation.
He hasn't really come up with anything new, no startling information.
Just a few snippets of the partyline that his controller in Argentine lntelligence fed to him.
Oh & his pseudo ocker sayings that he picked up on the net or from a book.
“well informed & consistant...blah blah blah”
You really are a prize turnip Think.
To use another crude Australianism, his falseness “sticks out like dog's balls”
You are both Pillocks♥
(117) LtCdr McDoD
Mar 18th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Nil desperandum”……? How Dauntless……!
Am I supposed to assume that the Dodo men are a bunch of “Per Mare Per Terram”?
A word of advice to your kids…….. Keep away from those “Full Pedigree” Malvinas ladies.
Years and years of lack of competition have turned most of them into humorless harpies. Not the best option to freshen up the gene pool…….
Thanks anyhow for the homely DoD Family Breakfast update……….
Back to my mate con tortas fritas……….
PS: (115) Frank, the Yank
And what the heck is a : “dumkopf” ???
Ahhh…….. Die Rübe meint sicherlich: “Dummkopf”
Frank, the Yank uses just one (1) word in a foreign language and he brillantly manages to make two (2) mistakes!
What a Turnip!
@110.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be an idiot all your life Think, take a break from it occasionally. What a stuopid little slur that was.
There is obviously something wrong mentally with Sgt. Robert Bales, or he snapped under the stress of his depoyment. People have limits beyond which they break if they are pushed. Sgt Bales broke. You are obviously aware of the whole background to the story, so you must know he had asked not to be deployed to Afghanistan. He has been wounded at least 2 times in action.
None of this excuses his actions, he must answer to the law, it is up to the USA and Afghanistan to sort it out between them.
@Helber Galarga. Iraq is off topic. Even if is was anything to do with the issue I would point out that Saddam was an evil and irrational leader who invaded without justification 2 of his neighbouring states. He committed genocide against the Kurds and Marsh arabs and launched missiles at Israel. He was the author of his own downfall and the current state of Iraq. We should have finished him of in 1991.
Doing it later was a strategic error as we were committed against the Taliban/Al-Qaeda who pose a threat to ALL of us. This includes you because you are (presumably) not a muslim.
You hate us so much, but you rely on us getting rid of this sort of problem for you because Argentina won't step up to the plate and help stop aggressors like this. Argentina is too busy trying to crush a small community of 3000 people in the Falklands who want nothing to do with them. That just goes to show how much bottle Argentina actually has.
@ 121
Mar 18th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0sure mate, if you say iraq is off topic then it must be off topic.
Whatever suits you mate
@121shb,
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're not getting through to him.
We'll never get through to them, so who cares.
Somebody please invent a force field that we can put between us & RG-land, so that we don't have to even see the idiots.
(122) Herber Galarga
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This thread is a school book example of how brainwashed the Brutish Turnips in here are…
They go out of their way to criticize the Argentinean Armed Farces and our young conscripts that during the Malvinas conflict, under what certainly could be called “Considerable Stress”, didn’t kill, injure or harm one single Civilian, nor one single Spy, nor one single Fifth Columnist nor even one single “Enemy Combatant.”
Iraq is of topic, they say……
Afghanistan is irrelevant, they say…..
What a bunch of sad Brutish Turnips they are!
@45 Why do you go on? Surely it was only the other day that I pointed out that there is evidence to show that Spanish and argies have murdered tens of millions of the indigenous population of South America. So advanced that Spanish and argies are probably where Hitler got his ideas from! Or did you miss reading that because it doesn't fit in with your picture of how wonderful you are. The fact is that there are probably only two countries that have murdered more. China and Russia. Blood drips from the hands of every argie. And strange how you don't mention much in the way of specifics.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Bet you that if you try anything, British forces will end up using U.S. supplied ammunition and missiles. And U.S. intelligence, including that from satellites, is still regularly supplied to the U.K.
@50 Do you actually understand how stupid you sound?
@56 Oh good. The Guardian. A paper fit only to be used to wipe up pee, sh*t and vomit.
@61 Not an action of the UK. An action by Scotland. And you can “prove” that those killed on Bloody Sunday weren't IRA? Why didn't you appear at the enquiry? You tried to turn the Falklands into a “penal settlement”, didn't you? And the Irish Potato Famine? You want to blame the UK because the Irish couldn't deal with a plant disease?
@63 Good post. Shows how stupid argies really are.
@68 Pretty tenuous, half-breed!
@69 Right in two! Do you understand what a “sot” is? Jean Charles de Menezes (try to get the name right!) “may” have been a mistake. Chances are that the police thought he was an argie!
@71 Tell us how you justify the rape of your great-great-great grandmother, half-breed?
@74 Want to compare one person to 30,000, half-breed?
@76 Go on, tell us how many have been tried and convicted, half-breed?
@78 We are also glad you don't live in the UK. You'd be in an asylum by now!
@79 Thought you were supposed be an aussie!
@80 Anybody being held to account for the multiple rape of your female ancestor?
Sorry Argentina you REALLY messed up when you backed out of that agreement with the UK for oil exploration in 2007 and now your going to have to lay in the bed you made for better or worse.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are SOOO Stupid.Without ht econtinental help from Argentina,NO offshore production can be achieved.SO uk can DO NOTHING Without the continenetal support.
The brits here are soo incredible stupid
@malveiner # 126
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know Argentina was third world but i didnt think you were stuck in technological dark ages - You see in the modern world there is things call oil tanker ships, were oil pumped out of the ground can be pumped directly into those ships which can then transport them to processing and production facilities any where in the world. So in short there is no need for access to south american production or processing facilities at all - Which is why, despite south american nations blocking any ship connected to the falklands oil from south american ports, it has failed to put the oil companies off.
So your post just makes you look like the stupid thick idiot here, not us Brits.
Marvin - you are soooo stupid.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America is irrelevant. Oil production will go ahead without you !
As above. Britain has been extracting oil from the North Sea for well over 30 years. The weather there is as bad as anything in Southern latitudes. If the amount of oil discovered is plentiful enough, then pipelines could be laid under sea to bring the oil ashore in the Falklands - if not then tanker ships could be utilised. Britain is an advanced technical country and we have the skill and know how to do it. Argentina could not, hence Malveneroi thinks that it would be impossible.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would not disrespect Argentina by saying that they had no technical abilities, but in this case, they do not.
I'm just chuckling at Malvenero1's post.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant so that process that happens in many places in the world whereby oil is piped to a country (the Falklands) or taken by a tanker no longer exists.
I do wonder if they put something in the water over in Argentina to suppress logical thoughts from the local population?
Looks like her day of reckoning is on its way:
Mar 18th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.emergingmarkets.org/Article/2995995/Economics-and-Policy/ARGENTINA-Gone-with-the-wind.html
Companies already starting to pull out of BA and move to Brazil. no wonder the Brazilians are egging her on. They are gaining at the RG's expense.
@124 I wouldn't go as far as to describe them as the Argentinian Armed Farces but doubtless you know better than me.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 131)
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Link's address is from...
Emerging Market Org.
Nestor House,Playhouseyard,LONDON ECV 4V5EX
Just write your own orginal argument..............
(132) LtCdr McDoD
Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I most certainly do.
And make no mistake, it wasn’t a mistake.
That’s what they were and that’s what they still are.
Ergo; I consequently call them “Farces” on these pages.
Just a couple of examples:
(14) Think
”……Your Armed Forces where the fundamental factor in the break-up of our Armed Farces.
No doubt about it. Thank you.....
But......If you are aware of that....
Why do you speak to us as if you where speaking to our old Armed Faeces?”
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/09/kirchner-social-grassroots-leader-proposes-celebrating-son-of-the-b-day
(10) Think
”………..In my personal experience, the only way the Argentinean Armed Farces could have won a war against our Chilean neighbors in the 60’s, 70’s or 80’was by having, at least, a 2 to 1 superiority on troops and material.
On less unequal terms they would have filled us with combos en la guata y patáas en el hocico...............”
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/09/kirchner-social-grassroots-leader-proposes-celebrating-son-of-the-b-day
@121
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Taliban, or even Al Qaeda, were never a threat to Argentina, so no, not a threat to “all of us”. Their main issues are with YOU (UK, Falklanders by extension, Europe and the USA... and also with the arab governments).
Iran and their proxies, different matter. But the UK would never dare attack Iran, not even the USA would probably, short of an actual military offensive by them against you.
Never dare attack Iran? The USA could obliterate Iran.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not to take anything away from Iran they are a capable force and would certainly inflict casualties on any attacker but defeatable they most certainly are.
Essentially they are capable but absolutely no match for the USA.
I'm a little confused about why you'd suggest the UK would want to attack them though? Sure none of the western world agrees with them building a nuclear weapon but there's really no reason why the UK would go to war with them is there?
The USA has already called their bluff by taking its carrier group through an area Iran warned them not too and the USA, EU (UK) can bankrupt Iran over a longer period by strangling their economy.
Personally I'm not sure what the answer is with Iran because clearly its a threat and has a unstable person in charge but does it justify western powers getting involved in some military action? I hope not...
The USA could obliterate Iran, but then it would be China's hands in that (as the military machinery of the USA is de facto oiled by China).
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But even so they can't as what good would that do (short of some suicidal act by the Iranians).
Well, again, we come back to the worn-out argument of why is it OK to “liberate country X” from dictators and mullahs, but not country “Y”.
Again, it has nothing to do with being kind and generous, the west, its just short-term foreign policy.
It's ironic, because I agree with all of you that Argentina's economic policies tend to be very short-term, so they hurt long term. But the WEST and their policy in the Middle East has also been short-term fixes (sell arms to my enemy's enemy, prop-up dictator X, etc), without looking at the long term consequences of that, which is the gaining of ill-will and resentment by generations in the region. Which has come home to roost in the last 20 years.
Mercosur in crisis and the RG's are getting the blame. Tensions starting to mount in South America due to their actions:
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.emergingmarkets.org/Article/2997037/Uruguays-president-blasts-Argentina-for-triggering-trade-crisis.html
What a set of wankers they are.
What do you care about Mercosur? Its only a customs union between banana states.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126 Dreamworld!
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@133 Dying cuntry!
@134 Please send argie armed faeces. 73,100 less benefit claimants.
@135 Watch!
@139 Best thing to do with a “banana” cuntry is to squidge it!
“Watch”
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No we won't.
Your government, unlike most of you here, understand that warfare today is not mere armies on the field. So you brits could claim to be able to obliterate Iran from the Air... but they can obliterate you from within.
And that's why even the USA is cautious. We all know why.
@129 The Uk has so much experience in oil drilling that when they
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0went to the Gulf Of Mexico (USA) they contaminated all the coast and nearly started a diplomatic incident with the USA. And showed the rest of the world how primitive they were in these technologies. wake up wake up!!
@142 - Aussie sunshine
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Ah our favourite Argentine posters.
In terms of waking up, you obviously don't realise it was an American crew on an American project that drilled the well and just when you couldn't be anymore wrong BP is actually over 55% owned by American's.
As ever zero knowledge of facts and lots of idiotic rhetoric.
Moron.
@143 LOL LOL LOL nice try Xect!!
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No trying about it, these are what we call in the real world facts, something from the posts above you clearly do not understand.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about learning what you are talking about before posting any further?
The lack of knowledge in that case was not in the drilling, it was in the containment. It is clear that deep-sea technology has far outpaced the development of corollary safefy infraestructure.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah tobias a voice of reason and yes I agree. The lax safety rules and procedures allowed the whole incident to happen.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143 so now we are blaming the Americans.“ it was an AMERICAN crew
Mar 18th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a british one , they are at fault, we only own the company BP and have its headquarters In LONDON, so don´t fault us”.
man!! what I have to read!!
You have read the truth something which you seemingly are incapable of understanding.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You highlighted an incident that happened blaming the British when the British were not working on the project, it was actually out-sourced to another company and the actual company that caused the explosion was Halliburton an American company but never mind those facts eh? Lets just keep lying and blaming the British.
The fact BP has its headquarters in the UK is immaterial. You should understand that London has more global headquarters than any other city in the world.
Honestly sometimes it seems both the Argentinian government and people are completely unable to accept the truth unless it suits them.
Moron.
“so now we are blaming the Americans”
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, yes.
The people who was working on the rig when it all went wrong were all americans. The Safety standards and tests in america are all set and carried out by americans in a company mostly owned by americans.
But it's obvious you're just a troll.
@63 Kipling
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Kelpers (IGNORANTS AND ROBBERS)”
Talk about seeing only what you want to see.
The report doesn’t verify the Argentinian claim at all, but its simplistic conclusions by Vanessa Barford, Caroline Hocking and Megan Lane, seem to have swallowed the Argentinian lies, hook, line and sinker, which of course is typical of the BBC to use empathetic naïve girls to compiled it.
Example of it’s conclusions, this is listed as British argument.
“However, the Guardian's Simon Jenkins believes it is absurd for such a tiny island to exert such influence on British foreign policy, arguing that the Islands “cost a fortune to defend” and it is time to “hand them back”
But Guardian journalists are all resentful insecure self-centred negative parasitic windbags, so who cares what they think.
4 lsolde (#)
Mar 18th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 17th, 2012 - 07:56 am
@3The Falklands are British,
Maybe we should be thankful that mrs rubberface is in control.
All she does is talk.
lf the military get back in they may invade again.
Never. The military will never return in Argentina. Unless the country trips over a big bag of cash and pays for a Blackwater-type army. And even that won't be enough.
No, it's been 30 years since the war and all the left here has done is steal money, like their predecessors, and tell each other ghost stories about the military as if they are right around the corner just waiting to come back.
The result was, few bothered to join the military. Who wanted to be a part of something the whole was denouncing.
From this perspective, the fact that they STILL saber-rattle is virtual proof that they are insane.
The dishonesty in this country is so transparent, so obvious, that the best word for it is “corny”. They are a people who have no respect for life and yet take themselves so seriously. They aren't simply a child-people, they are a cartoon-people.
Don't worry, there is no military here. Just like there is no real national industry - and for the same reason - incompetence and stupidity.
The country is quickly being swallowed up by international business, from China to Europe to the USA. With time, so too will the people be swallowed up by a fast changing demographic.
Chau y bueno suerte!
Warmonger Lord West did it again. “cut foreign aid to defend the Falklands”
Mar 18th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Defend against what? Penguins?
He is beginning to sound like Hiroo Onoda, he found out that the war ended thirty years after.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9151669/Lord-West-cut-foreign-aid-to-defend-the-Falklands.html
143 Xect
Mar 18th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you wasting your time on Aussie Sunshine for? He's as Australian as as a Swiss Army Knife. He wouldn't know a ute if one ran him over and he probably thinks four n twenty is a price. Fair dinkum, who does this bloody bludger think he's fooling?
Aussie Sunshine. I know you'll have to Google all that stuff so don't bother replying. I won't read any more of your posts anyway so you'll be wasting your time.
Ya dickhead!
@149 Who is paying the compo on the cleaning? Halliburton or BP?
Mar 18th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BP IS!! THEREFORE THEY WERE THE CULPRITS!!
END OF STORY!!!
@152 catagom
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can’t be an Argentinian; your post makes too much sense.
e.g. “Argentinians aren't simply a child-people; they are a cartoon-people”
Or more accurately, an incessant, obsessive, bigoted, imagine themselves great, cartoon people.
Also you write: “The military will never return in Argentina”
Of course we know Argentina is bankrupt and impotent, but the humiliation and embarrassment this obviously causes the Argentinian bloggers on this site, they think they can gain what they couldn’t military, with just lying and to keep on and on lying.
156 Redcoat If we have to feel humiliated for one stupid war how would you feel if you lost three? 1806/1807/1845
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina”
“A second, better-resourced invasion followed in May 1807, under Lieutenant-General John Whitelock, attacking Buenos Aires in July. After a couple of days of intense street fighting, the British surrendered to an army it had considered no more than a rabble.
After losing more than half his force, the British signed a ceasefire on 7 July and left for home, where Whitelock was court-martialled and discharged”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
(153) Marcos Alejandro
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with Lord West when he says :
“Small reductions in the aid budget – alongside cuts to the NHS and welfare spending – would help Britain restore its naval strength”
Marvelous idea............ slaughter the NHS and the Welfare System in Britain to defend Malvinas.....
That will surely make the Squatters popular in the Metropolis....
Chuckle chuckle®
That would be fine if Britain had ever declared war on Argentina (which it has not).
Mar 18th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you are referring to are military engagements which are generally of a very small number of troop trying to achieve a strategic aim.
Although that's not to take anything away from Argentina, it did well fighting 1,500 troops.
@125 Conqueror
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@50 Do you actually understand how stupid you sound?”
Why? I just asked why Brits Bomb and kill relatives in Africa and Middle East while Argies never have done something like this to they relatives in Europe. I cannot see anything stupid on that and you?
Your college said that Brits have not relatives in those places, what of course he was lying judging for the origin of your population.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk
So Conqueror why are you killing your own family members in Africa and the Middle East? Just wonder...
@Teaboy2 &Clyde15
Its not a technical issue otherwise a $$$$ issue.
Yeah everybody knows that, but at what cost and risk? So this can turn the business out of the game especially if oil drops in prices as US is planning to dump own reserves into de market.
Can you see how fragile and susceptible your business project seems to be? Then you have transportation cost what will make your oil more expensive to be sale outside Latam.
So its not the same to extract oil in NS to be sold in UK, NL, etc than to sell it from SA to Europe or US.
@aussie sunshine
Discussing with the Mohammeds has not point at all. Their logic works like this...
If BP makes a lot of profits and acquires latest tech for drilling, etc. so is British. But if the same BP makes a mess in the GoMex. is an American company even though the stupid CEO was British.
The same applies to BAE and American, Italian, French, German, SA, etc.
Are they not funny?
@155 BP (a multinational company) are suing their sub-contractor, Halliburton, which was responsible for the technical errors resulting in the spill.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://consumerist.com/2012/01/bp-suing-halliburton-to-pick-up-the-42-billion-tab-for-oil-spill-clean-up.html
What is it with your 'Brit hating' anyway? Still bitter about your criminal ancestors being deported? Or, more likely you're a Leb, Turk or RG?
160
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spaniards have more in common with Nigerians and other assorted North African races than you might think.
Have a look at the highly advanced Moor Empire that once dominated Southern Europe for 700 years.
“A long-buried chapter of European history–the rise and fall of Islamic culture in what is now Spain and Portugal.
Although generations of Spanish rulers have tried to expunge this era from the historical record, recent archeology and scholarship now shed fresh light on the Moors who flourished in Al-Andalus for more than 700 years.”
Might explain your skin tone and other typical “spanish” features.
161 - Alexi, I really wouldn't bother challenging Dany he posts the most inane nonsense and he actually achieved the feat of getting banned from here which is extraordinarily difficult given this site allows for a lot of extreme views.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His most amusing post though was the one he was saying the Argentina should develop a nuclear weapon to launch against the Falklander's. It's a good job they don't have the capability to do so.
And its also worth noting that even though BP is a partially owned company (in shares only) and that it was an American crew on an American project and the failure was due to a Halliburton mistake (another American company) using the bizarre thing that is Argentine logic it was of course a British failure because BP's headquarters is in London.
In the words of Argentine posters AJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAAJAJAJ
@160 yes they are a funny lot!! looks likes characters from a CARRY ON movie. LOL
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@152catagom,
Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your post.
You must feel that its ridiculous that a country like Argentina with such potential is in the state that it is in.
You have everything that many would envy,
Agricultural land, minerals, oil, workforce, diverse climate, mountains for hydro-power.
lt must be mismanagement that the average person looks at with despair.
Argentina should be the showpiece of South America.
Doesn't anyone in government actually care?
@155 argentine sunshine,
All has been explained to you, fool.
Yet you still persist.
London is one of the worlds biggest financial capitals.
Many non-British companies have headquaters there.
BP is not British Petroleum anymore, it is simply BP.
BP is a public company which has a majority of American shareholders.
The spill in the Gulf of Mexico was caused by an American subcontract company to BP.
Even with your warped Argentine logic, how can you possibly say that the British caused the spill?
You are either:-
1) misinformed
2) relaying misinformation passed on by your controller
3) just hate the British so much, that you'l l say anything, including lies to discredit them
4) or are a real drongo that connected the letters B & P to the UK.
Wake up man, its a big world out there.
Paraistes of the Queen, go to St Helens (another parasites place)!
Mar 18th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0161, BP and Haliburton, both have responsability. Can u understand?
@166 St Helens is in Lancashire. Are you calling people from Lancashire parasites?
Mar 18th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@162 Says a lot about why the Spanish have a typically african economy.
@157 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 18th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If we have to feel humiliated for one stupid war how would you feel if you lost three? 1806/1807/1845”
Tell me something I don’t know, you’re right, if the British had used artillery to flatten Buenos Aires first in 1807 instead of walking into a well prepared ambush, there wouldn’t have been an 1845 blockade.
But I hope that serves as some small cancellation for your bruised ego, but I wrote how you must feel knowing you’re living in a bankrupt impotent country. But as you mention it losing your, “stupid war” by being so bad you couldn’t hold onto the Falklands when the odds were considerably in your favour, can’t feel very good to you obsesses either.
I suppose we moved on and realised how devious you are and live today and don’t cling to the past like you.
@168 But they only have the past.
Mar 18th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169 GreekYoghurt
Mar 18th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks that way.
I'm going to have to leave you holding the fort, it's 3 hours later for me, Bye for now.
168 Redcoat
Mar 18th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the one talking about a war thirty years ago, do you want to talk about British defeat in Iraq a few years ago? or you rather talk about your superb job in Afghanistan instead?
@171 hes talking about a war 30 years ago because its the last one you lot had and you lost and we won. As for iraq, we won both iraq wars. So your point is mute because all you are going to refer to is the struggles in basra, but we won, basra is peaceful and no more saddam or bath party.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about we talk about the war you started and lost HMMMM!
Oh i get it you don't want to because your ashamed you lost and can not accept it - Get over it and get a live and grow some balls... Child!
Remember Haig and that awful woman, Kirkpatrick, anyone?
Mar 19th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Teaboy2,
Mar 19th, 2012 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You did not win anything. Do you mean the UK administration did not returned land stolen 30 years ago? Grow up if you insist posting. Wars are not about win or lose. That is why My president Obama will not back up the UK arrogance. You are not better that those Pirates from Somalia. Do you have a nuclear weapon? WOW but UK still are THEFTS. And about you, What have you done extraordinary to claim land? Go back to your XXX movies
@ 174 Stolen land 30 years ago? ... Does anybody really care if Spain or Argentina had a colony on the Falklands 30 years ago? I dont. Who cares if Obama does not support the UK, the GOP is going to retake the senate in 2012 (2/3 seats up are Dem seats). And the part I find the goofiest of all is Wars are not about win or lose....yah ok whatever, tell that to Mexico and how they feel about California. Your a vile spitting liberal (not all liberals are mean, I have friends that are libs) but Im betting your either in NY or California and if your in California how would you like for the U.S. to give those “stolen” lands back to mexico. The people living on the Falklands have a right to live their paid in blood and tears having lived their for almost 200 years. Argenetina has no more rights to the Falklands then China does to Japan, or France to England. Just because its close to your shores does NOT make it yours, grow up. If this is all about the money, then why not just come out and SAY its all about the money and lets make a deal instead of talking out your ear's.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You guys still failing to answer why you bomb and kill your relatives in Africa and in the middle East.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is so difficult to answer?
Dany
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still asking stupid questions then?
Ahh - dirty deals :-)
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/argentinas-high-moral-ground/
Dany,
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote Dany: “why Brits Bomb and kill relatives in Africa and Middle East while Argies never have done something like this to they relatives in Europe.”
talking of killing relatives! i believe it was Rg's who invaded the Falklands which was the cause of deaths........considering your country is made up of Europeans (and a fair few ex brits) then i would say you invaded your relatives and thus brought about death!
You silly boy
@brit abroad
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! Hei bro
Where have you been? I was missing you, this forum is not the same without you.
Dany,
Mar 19th, 2012 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bro???? oh please that sends eerie shivers down my spine. In the words of a comedian who i cant remember the name of:
“ i would rather have my tongue beaten waffer thin with a steak tenderisor, than be your ”bro”!
Secondly, I have a life outside of these forums, which you clearly do not have!
@125
Mar 19th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty tenuous, half-breed!
riveting analysis there conqueror!
And you have the nerve to ask others' who stupid they sound?
FFS *facepalm*
@think .
Mar 19th, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your conscripts trashed port stanley and used it as a toilet, publicly humiliated prisoners of war, and forced people out of their homes at gun point. They herded civilians into small buildings and laid booby traps in places like the school at goose green. Then they scattered undeclared minefields everywhere. You are'nt a role model to follow.
@Tobias - Al Qaeda not a threat to you - they have'nt got round to it yet, to them you are kuffirs (non believers, the word inplies you are dirt) . Don't forget that Hezbollah has already carried out a deadly attack in your country - in 1994, that killed 85 people.
“You guys still failing to answer why you bomb and kill your relatives in Africa and in the middle East.”
Mar 19th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still struggling to explain why you pushed yours alive out of aircraft into the sea...
176
Mar 19th, 2012 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because of the shared gene pool between Africans and Southern Europeans they are rather more your relatives than ours.
178
I thought Israel actively assisted Argentina during the Falklands War which is why many question whether the UK should ever help or support Israel.
The Iran business is being cranked up and may explain Obamas OTT welcome to Cameron. Either way an attack on Iran would be unacceptable to the vast majority of British people and hopefully Britain will not get involved in yet another Country's problems.
British Armed Forces are needed to defend British Sovereign Territory.
lf lsrael wants to help Argentina, well good luck to them.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it will make me look at the lsrael-Palestine situation with different eyes.
We must definitely spell out to the Americans that we are NOT getting involved in anymore of their lmperialistic Adventures.
lt would be madness to invade lran.
Their nuclear program is a worry though.
Enough idiots have talked openly about bombing lran's nuclear facilities.
So much so, that they must be burried deep underground by now!
Has DanyBerger gone to push Nuns out of planes with his friend from Le Camping Hitler Youth?
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0When he gets back, can you ask him where the $2.4 Billion for Belgrano Airlines went to? Apparently Le Camping bought 1 new plane and the rest has just evaporated.
So dany, what did Le Camping do with it?
**185 Be careful
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0British Armed Forces can not defend British Soverign Territory without NATO help....!!
188
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you worry about that.
I guess the RG's will be celebrating this studied neutrality as another victory ?
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@174 - what a poor loser of a pathtic human being your are.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“War is not about win or lose” you say. Well if that delusional view of yours was true then throughout earths entire history not a single war would have been fought, in fact, the word war would not even exist. But off course your wrong, as wars are fought in order to make gains by or reclaiming previously lost land etc by winning the war. So yes war is about nothing but winning and gaining something or getting something back.
As for what you said about the US - Come on now, if push comes to shove whos side do you think the USA will take, surely not argentinas. Just look at the last war in the falklands and how the USA provided logistical and intelligence support - Oh and guess what, they were neutral back then too!
still waiting for you to quote me GreekYoghurt
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0In case you forgot, it's comment no 97 over ^^
It’s like arguing with inmates in an Argentinian lunatic asylum, they hunt the web for anything to use, completely misinterpret or falsify what they find, often just making stuff up, post it and strut about triumphantly.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0But all they are doing is exposing their mental problems, of course they don’t care, they HAVE to satisfy the requirements of your childhood indoctrination, to make themselves feel their worthless lives are something more than they are.
The problem is the Falkland Islanders live next door to that asylum and as you never know what nutcases will do, the British are close at hand to protect them, completely independently of NATO.
FYI: NATO is just an organisation where if one member is attacked, it’s an attack on all members, moot point in the case of Argentina, as we don’t need any help swatting a fly.
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina
Mar 19th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the other Argentina crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
@192 I'm not sifting back through your ill-written prose.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another nail pops out
Mar 19th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peru throws London a line
The Malvinas cause has just taken its first casualty. Its name is Peru, which has chosen to go it alone and create a chink in the hitherto solid armour of Unasur countries backing the Argentine claim to the islands. And what did Peru do? Has cracked that seamless regional front when authorizing the British frigate HMS Montrose (with its 183-strong crew, ten cannons, A Lynx chopper etc ) to pay a protocol visit to the Lima port of Callao as from this coming Thursday until Monday (March 26).
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95783/malvinas-peru-throws-london-a-line
@Teaboy2
Mar 19th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be a really funny boy. Do you really think that Argentina cares about with who US partner with?
Argentina would not hesitate to call Vladimir Putin or Hu Jintao to ask what is available for quick delivery to them.
So your speculations about with who will partner US are irrelevant none in Argentina cares. For my personal point of view Argentinians will be more comfortable with China and Russia than with US.
So even if US back you will not stop Argentina to resort to military force if would be necessary.
How many of you Argentines on here thinks Dan Berger is a nut case who is doing nothing for your cause? Surely many of you think that.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somebody please assure me.
quite a few, if admmited, but wont for fear of reprisals, lol.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? Reprisals from Dany Berger? Is he a thug?
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's nuttier than my gusset.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0201 Greek
Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers for that. I'm glad my lunch has gone down!
197 Dandy Buggery
Mar 19th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentine is to team up with China and Russia.
No doubt China will supply Argentina with some organs harvested from their political prisoners, so when the Argentine medical services are inundated with casualties from their next Falkland's adventure they have some available organ transplants.
Russia will no doubt supply Argentina with the latest drugs for their government to smoke, while they rant about Britain, the Pirates and the Malvinas.
My God, I am scared already!
With friends like these Argentina will be safe. All they need now is Fidel Castro riding in with Hugo Chavez.
Maybe North Korea will lend a hand too?
@197 - You are clearly deluded if you think china or russia would fight your course for you, after all you are just an insignificant country to them, where they buy what Soy Bean! Yeah the lost of soy bean is really really going to bring china and russia to yours side... Not!!
Mar 19th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for “You seem to be a really funny boy. Do you really think that Argentina cares about with who US partner with?” - Well the fact is they did so in 1982 by providing us intelligence, satalite image's and logistical support, perhaps you also forgot how they offered us one of their aircraft carriers too. So sorry but the only funny boy here is you, which is evident by everyones response to your nonsensical post.
Your just jealous, that the US will be on our side just like in 1982 and are simply trying to distract us from that fact by making rediculous statements about how russia and china will support you - Sorry but did they support you in 1982? No they didn't. And just because you had a lot of russian equipment that your purchased before the war, it doesn't mean they supported you either. If you believe it did man they supported you, then since we sold you anti aircraft missles prior to the 1982 which you used against us, then by your logic, Britain most have supported you too. Idiot.]
Now run along home little child!!!
DanyBerger.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina invade the FI again, I would be signing up to the forces as would most of my friends.
I don't care about Iraq or Afghanistan not bothered in the slightest. But the people of the FI are our cousins and they have as much right to live on those islands as you have to live in Argentina, if not more as they weren't stolen from natives.
I would do the same if Argentina invaded Australia or New Zealand. As I'm sure millions of other Britons would.
@194 rebeldenacion
Mar 19th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very interesting post, I recommend all Argentinians to read it and check out its links, particularly the last one. They must know how bad Kirchnerist is, which makes me think that the Argentinians blogging here are on her payroll.
@ 198 The Falklands are British
At first I thought why do you need reassuring about any of their arguments? But if none of them make any sense, I suppose there is a temptation to doubt one’s own sanity.
Don’t worry they are all nutters.
This is how Cristina Kirchner gets her votes:
Mar 19th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
@205 I'd see you on the boat down there mate. We have a record of 74 days to beat. Once an infantryman always an infantryman. :)
Mar 19th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 The Falklands are British (#)
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinistas translation of this story:
The US are undoubtedly on the Argentine side and therefore the UK have no hope. The whole world is against the UK and the whole world knows that the Malvinas are Argentine.
Dream on sunshine History prooves Britain is the rightfull owners of our land they were here many many years before any Argentines even had a country to call their own and only then after killing the natives to get one.
The French may have settled here but they did so without permission and under an ilusion they owned the place so they had no right to considder handing what was never theirs to Spain and even if they were able to Argentina certainly has no legitimate rights to the Islands whatsoever.
Argentina will never be able to let any country live in peace and certainly you are wrong about who supports who. Look what happened in 82 the very people you thought were on your side let you down when real push came to real shove. Then for good measure your own people turned on your then leader to seek revenge.
On top of all that your leaders now sugest we should be more friendly with you. Dream on Kentucky Fried (bet that would be a tough old meal as well).
@207 rebeldenacion
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that’s illegit, for 50 pesos ($15) Kirchner is virtually getting them to cut their own throats.
The Argentinians here must know this and yet there preach to us about being pirates, their audacity is unbelievable.
@205 I'd personally rather join the Marines. I've never been a fan of being on land. Not sure why.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*splash splash splash*
navy here,
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all the girls love a sailor lol.
@212 I think it is “all the girls loveD a sailor” ... hence the uncontrollable itch.
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha .
Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@197 - Danny, I've come to the conclusion that you're an Argentine idiot. Perhaps your time would be better spent out campaigning for Kirchner's re-election. Maybe you would like to sign up for her junta, then you can be dismembered over the islands whenever you please.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0205 Steve-32-uk
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely, no one cares about Afghan and Iraq. But the Falklands... half the country would be climbing over each other to sign up.
180 DanyBerger
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should visit Britain some time, we'd give you a very warm welcome :) lol
No one talks like that here.
97 Helber Galarga
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I want to know why there is no fuss about the following: (dany, i expect some sort of a response from you!)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao are either part of the Kingdom of The Netherlands or overseas countries of the same nearby the South American coastline
French Guiana, which is an overseas department of France and is therefore part of the European Union
@DanyBerger and Helber Galarga,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're both in Maximo's Hitler Youth 'Le Camping' so can either of you please tell me what happened to the $2.4 Billion that they were given to replace the planes in Belgrano Airlines of which one was bought??
As you're both in Le Camping can you please advise us of where all that money evaporated away to? I've asked a few times now and neither of you seem to want to tell us.
Why do you not want to tell us? Are you trying to revive Hitler with the money?
219 Greek
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've been asking about this for a while. I wasn't aware of it. What's the story?
@220 Well these pro-argie Furktards are going on and on and on about the UK stealing their resources (e.g. money) by drilling up oil from the Falklands which are typically only going to deliver $150 MILLION in taxed benefits.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, Maximo's Hitler Youth run Aerolingus Argentinas (now Belgrano Malvinas Airlines) and 'Le Camping' were given $2.4 BILLION between 2008 and 2011 to update the planes (16 times more than the revenues from Falklands Oil discoveries) of which they used 10% to buy one or two planes. The other $2.1 BILLION is unaccounted for.
So to put this into perspective, I want to ask DanyBerger and Helber Galarga, who are in Maximo's Hitler Youth, to tell us where the $2.1 BILLION evaporated off to? Seems significantly more piracy than some little islands, no?
(Source: http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/14/the-lady-out-of-control-appeals-to-nazi-mengele-and-anti-semitism-to-attack-the-media)
@Steve-32-uk
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/Careers/How-To-Join
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/Careers/How-To-Join
@Stefan
And you are??? Anyway are you going to sign too?
See above please.
@Be serious
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/Careers/How-To-Join
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/Careers/How-To-Join
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/Careers/How-To-Join
I don’t think half or Britain thinks like you. You may be a racist who deny the right to exist to the other half or your country. Think about it. Will you?
@anti-fascist2
“You should visit Britain some time, we'd give you a very warm welcome :) lol
No one talks like that here.”
I did many times, but you should visit Buenos Aires and tell the argies all the crap you say here and then visit the BA public health system. Ha ha ha
@brit abroad
“I want to know why there is no fuss about the following: (dany, i expect some sort of a response from you!)”
About???
@222 DanyBerger...
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MISSING $2.1 BILLION THAT WAS GIVEN TO LE CAMPING TO BUY A NEW FLEET OF AIRCRAFT? YOU'RE IN LE CAMPING SO WHERE IS THE MONEY?
It's a huge amount of money to go missing and far more than the projected revenues from the Falklands tiny oil revenues.
@GreekYoghurt
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0May be that money was used to buy in secret some nasty weapons to burn the assess of some Homammeds, have you ever thought about that?
@224 Well you're in Maximo's Hitler Youth, so you tell us what you did with the $2.1 Billion? Buying votes? Expatriated funds to Switzerland?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us, and then you can get back to whinging about not having $150 million.
@223GreekYoghurt,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You won't get a sensible answer from them.
How many times have l backed that elusive snake Herr Think into a corner & he either wriggles our of it or he just doesn't answer at all.
How would you like to do a business deal with them?
They would have absolutely no intention of sticking to it.
@224DanyBerger,
Whats a Homammed, Daniel?
@226 I know I won't get a sensible answer, but I'd like an answer. These furktards are all in Le Camping, they accuse the UK of piracy by taking some small amount of money, and then they don't even want to consider the fact that the nationalist youth organisaiton run by the son of their dear leader, to which they all belong, has managed to lose £2.1 Billion.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0This large figure, they don't care one jot about. They want to spend all their time whinging about a figure which is about 20 times less.
That's hilarious.
Then they expect falklanders to fly three times a week on their very old fleet run by the same organisation that 'evaporated' the funds away.
That's super hilarious.
DanyBerger and Helber Galarga, 2 questions for you, please answer honestly.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Do you think Argentina will get full sovereignty of the Falkland Islands in the future? if yes how?
2) What would you do with the people that live there?
Thanks in advance for your response.
... and 3) what is Argentina planning on bringing to the table in sovereignty negotiations?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@lsolde
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Whats a Homammed, Daniel?”
Oops I don’t know I mean “Mohammeds” typical person living in an Island limiting with the cost of France divided by a channel. Who always is paranoid about the rest of the world, is monolingual, drives in the wrong way. Eats Kebabs, fish and chips and only get out of he little island on the weekend to cross the channel to buy alcohol and tobacco in France to return faster to his little island again.
@Steve-32-uk
1- Yes. War
2-Nothing
3-GreekYoghurt Free kebabs.
228 Steve-32-uk & @lsolde
Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you have it. The Line from “Christine” springs to mind having read 230 DanyBerger.
“Don't feel too badly about it, some thing can't be helped, some poeple too”
I don't know what he is talking about but this bit “Who always is paranoid about the rest of the world, is monolingual” sounds like he's talking about Argentina.
Although, I have to say that in this part “Eats Kebabs, fish and chips” he could be talking about anywhere......... I take it from his posting that he thinks the UK is the only country on Earth that eats Eats Kebabs, fish and chips? ( Just between you and me, I don't think that DanyBerger gets out much )
And what does this mean “drives in the wrong way” what?? you mean we don't use a steering wheel or we go around in reverse all the time?
stranger and stranger............
amazing how many jump on the [war] band wagon, its like children playing cowboys and indians,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its just a game, but in reality war is no fun, and no place for children, and definitly no place for argie play toys,
the truth at this point in time, is the only war argentina is going to fight, is with herself, and the only casualties will be argentinians,
may we humbly suggest they turn of the playstations and xboxes, and then perhaps wake up, just in time to save argentina from a bunch of lunatics that are going to ruin it, if they have not done so already,
wake up boys, your country needs you .
GEO-GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR JUST BECAUSE THE ARGIES DEMAND SOMETHING!!!
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0232 briton (#)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on. It is amazing how many people go about as if they are still playing the x box or something. Wake up Argentina - 232 briton (#)- has figured you out. War is not the way to win effection recognition of a fellow human bieng is. Make peace with us and your selves and let us live alongside each other and set an example to the rest of the world that Argentina can be a democratic peace loving nation not the raging bull that the world sees you right now.
We have so much to benifit from by bieng a people united.
No one in the world need more Country any more they simply just need to look after their own better and they will soon prosper.
Argentina is 10's of thousands of times bigger than the Falklands so why would you need to own us when you have so much on your back door needs to be developed. Put this Falkland Issue to rest and come back and talk to us as a peopl you will be surprised at just how eaqsy going we really are.
232 briton - Amen.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Our governments are enemies, we are not” I posted ages ago that if all the Argentinians who posted on here channeled their energies into sorting their country out instead of hating the Britsih, Falkland Islanders, The EU, USA etc, etc they could turn it around and dig Argentina out of a hole.
As it is though, all they know how to do is hate........ nothing ever good came out of hating something, it only leads to more pain and misery.
@234 I think they should find out where all their money is evaporating off to, before they start greedily looking at other people's money.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like seriously, how can you just lose $2.1 Billion??
This is how Cristina Kirchner the most corrupt president in all of South America and her cronies get into power:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
I've got a large armchair. I'm sure I've mislaid a couple of billion down the sides over the years. I'll have a quick look next time I'm short of some pocket change.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@238 It's so easy to do with that fiddly little amount. Do you think Maximo ate some of it?
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@239 This just caught my eye.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95884/world-bank-considering-additional-us-billion-credit-for-argentina
You don't suppose they need this to pay back your missing $2.1 Billion plus a bit for expenses do you? Anyway, I understand that the American Task Force Argentina lobbyists have been successful in getting both the UK and US Governments to block this one.
@240 I think the idea is that the $3 Billion is going to be used to buy the voters during the referendum that makes KFC supreme leader for ever, and gives Maximo's hitler youth a couple more billion to evaporate.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idea of giving them more money to buy votes and spirit away into swiss bank accounts makes you wonder who in the World Bank is either a) having a breakdown or b) receiving sizeable kickbacks.
If I was in the world bank, I'd be flagging this loan as suspect.
Britain should protect Falkland Islands 'at all costs', say 61% of voters
Mar 20th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/20/falkland-islands-guardian-icm-poll?newsfeed=true
Well now we control all the paddles in the south Atlantic, they can’t use the rowing boats,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina people have hidden all the bows, so they can’t use any arrows,
And they have spirited away all the 1.2billion for petrol, so the planes are out of the question,
Sadly we could not stop CFK and her government from getting new batteries for the old mouth pieces .lop.
KFC has a secret supply of batteries......for those.....times.......when .....you know.....she feels a bit....well.... shall we say unfulfilled.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Afterwards she always feels refreshed and after a sly fag she's ready to conquer the world....starting small with the Falkland Islands then Uruguay, Chile next maybe then Peru or Paraguay and then finally the big one the long march into Brazil - what natural resources they possess which if that daft middle ages Pope had sharpened his pencil would have been all hers ...I mean Argentinas.
228-229 Steve 32 UK:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- yes
- Whit the people: get to them status of province: they get fishing licences, oil licences, etc. same as our provincias (Rio Negro, Santa Cruz, etc.)
Investments in ports, etc could be possible.
FOOD from Argentina; lowers costs for their live in several services.
NO MORE CONFLICTS for great living.
According whit our law, they can manteining their kind of “lifestyle”.
They can keep rich, (3000 people whit fishing licences, oil, etc. stay rich), UK finally can make bussiness whit Argentina (30 years no bussiness), and the people of UK can´t support no more the military base whit their taxes-
All can win-
Enough for you?
(Isolde is not part of the deal...we want her in Stonehedge rural house...but we can send eventually a mr. Helber Galarga to keep her happy)
Regards-
(240) Cdr McDOD
Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are getting sloppy with your information, young man…..
1) What missing 2,1 billion?
2) USA (and Britain) can vote against any line of credit at the World Bank as they see fit but they can NOT block any. They need a majority of votes for that. They haven’t (by far) gotten it.
I hope this sloppiness is just a passing “lapsus”
@245 Rosarino (it’s with not ’Whit’)
Mar 20th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“FOOD from Argentina; lowers costs for their live in several services”.
Yeah right, your people are so starving and sell their votes for a few groceries.
“NO MORE CONFLICTS for great living.”
What a laugh, all Argentinian governments, have to have conflicts to stay in power so they can rob their people blind.
“According with our law, they can manteining their kind of “lifestyle”
With your corrupt laws they will have even less rights than you.
“UK finally can make bussiness whit Argentina (30 years no business”)
No business, because you’re bankrupt, with a zero credit rating, you dreamer.
“the people of UK can´t support no more the military base whit their taxes”
We will always have a strong military and the Falklands are an ideal place to have a base.
“Isolde is not part of the deal...we want her in Stonehedge rural house...but we can send eventually a mr. Helber Galarga to keep her happy”
There will never be a deal and Isolde is very much part of that, she lives much more comfortably than a bum like you. Helber Galarga, can’t even interest the most desperate of Argentinian women, that’s why he spends his time on here.
@246 Think – this is reality for you.
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
@224 DanyBerger
“May be that money was used to buy in secret some nasty weapons to burn the assess of some Homammeds, have you ever thought about that”
Fantasising about the Third Reich again, of course it’s in her Swiss Bank account you fool.
@234 kelperabout – Slight over estimate it’s 230 times larger
As long as Argentina is anti democratic, they will get nothing.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@245Rosarino,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your kind considerations.
However l am quite alright & don't need any help.
l have someone who takes good care of all my needs.
l must be annoying you to get a special mention!
That is good as it means my malvinista-baiting works!
♥♥♥♥ (ps, all Helber would be able to do is*roll eyes* or *smack himself in the face*!).
@230DanyBerger,
There may well be a war, l'm sure that there will be soon.
Are you confident?
We have the ultimate deterent & you do not.
ls it worth it for you?
Losing everything over something thats not yours.
247 Red Coat:
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0starving what? are you in...where? Mars? we produce food for 300 million people...
We are in bankrupt? NOW? did you read newspapers? or just want to write whitout any information? Our debts are almost 20-25% of our real economy...and you?
Our laws are corrupt? maybe people are corrupt..but no laws...please try again.
About to keep the base: I think MOST PART of UK people agree whit me rigth know.
Isolde: i´m sure someone stay whit love...it was a joke...we have a very very multicultural country...including someone like you can live in Argentina-
“Para nosotros, para nuestra posteridad, y para todos los hombres del mundo que quieran habitar el suelo argentino”- (our Carta Magna)
Regards-
Apparently CFK will not get an invite to the Olympics in London..
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0danyBerger
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote:
“”@Steve-32-uk
1- Yes. War
2-Nothing
3-GreekYoghurt Free kebabs.“”
You absolute arse,
1) You couldnt go to war youd get beaten again. look at your military!!! Although we may not have the fighting force we did back in the 80's we are battle hardened, and have a far more superior military than yourselves - and history has proved time and time again that having more personnel against a smaller more advanced military does not mean victory - but it does mean high death toll!
2) That is why the falklanders dont want to cooperate with you. So youre not helping your cause. You should be opening dsoors, shaking hands and showing more kindred......then, and only then, things may start to work more favourably for RG claim over the Falklands.
3) Bet they are shit kebabs so forget it, just give us beef jerky! i believe you guys can make that alright!
So to sum up Danyarseberger, you are little poofter of a nazi with no real grasp on the likely outcome of the falklands issue or how to change that for the benefit of all parties.
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Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shut up legionarseolio,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0we can read your drivel on the other forums you copied and pasted it. Anyway this topics been covered too many times....its boring, but not as boring as marcos
Argentinian democracy is oxymoron.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's enough argument not to let a single argie near the islands.
@246 Touché. For the question of the missing money, please see Greek's multiple inputs. Regarding the World Bank, the American Task Force Argentina is an interesting website, don't you think? Some interesting insights into why the US Government might be able to reconcile the involvement of a US company or two in the Falkland Islands oil endeavour. I wouldn't be surprised to earn that Roberta Jacobson didn't issue some sort of ultimatum in this regard during her recent visit.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@250 Rosarino
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’ve learnt that the Argentinians posting on here lie with impunity and you don’t read answers (it’s with)
“starving what? are you in...where? Mars? we produce food for 300 million people...
We are in bankrupt? NOW? did you read newspapers? or just want to write whitout any information? Our debts are almost 20-25% of our real economy...and you?
Our laws are corrupt? maybe people are corrupt..but no laws...please try again.
About to keep the base: I think MOST PART of UK people agree whit me rigth know”
I write from reliable information on Argentina’s real problems, like before long you could be starving as your resent catastrophic drought, that destroyed your genetically modified soya bean crop, virtually your only means of revenue these days. Your current inflation of 26% set to increase, your shambolic public transport that has just doubled its fares and the price of utilities (electricity water etc.) going to rise four-fold, your rubbish isn’t getting collected, you already have squalid ghettoes and insanitary shanty towns, which are set to get very much worse, your roads are falling the pieces and building keep falling into all the holes in Buenos Aries, etc. etc.
People are the laws and yours allow this happen:
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
And no, you dream and just hope because you are wrong as MOST PEOPLE IN UK DON’T agree with you.
Redcoat, most people in THE WORLD don´t agree with you.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redcoat, perhaps your statements are a bit dire, but I arrived back from BA last night and the situation there is definitely deteriorating. Latest gossip was that the vice-president may end up in prison for money-laundering. Just goes to show the sort of people in power. Nevertheless, there's still a lot of wealth in the country.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@259 That 'wealth' is going over the border into Uruguay and Chile in unmarked bags.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(56) Doveoverdover
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
For the question of the missing money, please see Greek's multiple inputs.
I say:
1) I stopped reading that Turnip’s material after his 2nd or 3rd comment.
Will you also refer me to Mr. Conqueror or Mr.Briton for relevant info about Argentina?
Please DYOR and then tell me what 2,1 billion $ you are speaking about……
2) ”American Task Force Argentina” have lost every legal and political skirmish they have started against Argentina in the last 10 years. Just an irritating neo-liberal lobby group.
JUST A QUESTION:
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone really believe in the soposed neutrality by the united states, when oil recources are in play?. Sorry guys, but i am not so inocent, in fact in this web site was published the opinion of a republican representant who expressed his support to the right to self determination for the islanders, what kind of neutrality is that?. Like i always say, i dont deny that per haps the right to self determination is applicable for the people from the islands, but if nor arg. nor the u. k. propose to take the dispute to the i. c. j, it's because may be both aren't sure that they can win the case. I wont repeat again about the few times that both nations proposed in diferent moments to take the question to the arbitration, but the point is that after 1947 none of the two nations proposed again to take the dispute to the court. I always argue that per haps our government didn't act correctly when it recalled the agreements that it had signed in the past with the u. k., but at the same time, you reject sistematicly all the resolutions that call the two nations to resume the negotiations, so, you are not acting correctly neather, and you know it, the problem is that the hipocresy, and the mediocre thought of some of you, dont let you recognize your mistakes. You can't ignore that the sovereignty is the main issue, and it must be discussed, beside the u. n never said that the u. k. must discuss about the sovereignty only of the islanders wish it, in the same way that it never invoked the right to self determination for the islanders, like it did with others colonial situations, victimization is pathetic, and the worse of this situation, is that planty of people buy all the hipocrite analisis and lies of the politicians, it's lamentable but it's the truth.
@56 Don't worry, he ignores me because he's exhibiting a kind of 'Information Behaviour' where he's avoiding any information that goes against his own curious belief system. Reading people's comments that challenge his own beliefs creates cognitive dissonance which makes him upset and fear of changing his mind sets in. This is because as a member of Le Camping he has to align himself to the minority opinion of their leader, Maximo-fat.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grab any old undergrad psych textbook and it'll explain it.
@262 Argentina doesn't accept the decisions of the ICJ because it says it's outside of it's jurisdiction. UK offered to take the South Atlantic islands to the ICJ 4 times and Arg refused, then they took it unilaterally and the Argentinians refused to have anything to do with it. The case fell apart. So suggesting Argentina will do any kind of negotiation in the framework of the UN is just fallacy.
Argentina discusses the UN, and yet has no interest in the UN framework, decisions, rulings or courts. The fact is, they don't even want to negotiate. Pretending otherwise is just fallacious.
262 . Axel Arg - Axel, take a long hard look at the history of Argentina in all respects and, if you're honest with yourself, you'll spot the reasons why the Islanders (or anyone else) don't want to discuss sovereignty. It's been the spanner in the works for generations, and will remain so. What can Argentina offer the Islanders? An (imposed) new language, new place names, possible ethnic cleansing, fresh fruit provided there isn't a strike, bureaucracy, corruption, crooked elections, internal genocide, drugs, shanty-towns ...
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders' deep contempt for all things Argentine is Argentina's own doing. And, to a lesser extent, the rest of Latam despises Argentina too.
Perhaps it's time for Argentina to wake up and be nice.
@264 Because of South American machismo 'rejection' isn't something that Argentinians can take.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seeing the Falklanders having a nice time on the islands is like turning the knife for them. Especially when you see KFCs advert about the 'future of the malvinas' where they're playing argentinian music, they're speaking spanish, they've ethnically cleansed all the residents, and it appears argentinians are living lifestyles similar to those the Falklanders lived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug
It's just complete fantasy. As soon as the Argies got there hands on it, it would be a corrupt hell-hole with a massive kirchner hotel in the middle and crime everywhere.
Talking about giving the Falklands to Argentina is an assault on basic human morality.
@258 Cero
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“most people in THE WORLD don´t agree with you”
That can only be your super ego talking, no country of any consequence supports Argentina’s claim because it contravenes UN principles. Yes there are some that appear supportive, but only to either keep Argentina quiet or to extract some expensive concession from them.
@259 ynsere
“perhaps your statements are a bit dire”
Wait till you have been there a bit longer and you will find if anything they are an understatement and you won’t see any of that money, the country is being ripped off, hence the Falklands issue being raise again to distract the people .
265 Greek
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicely put. They don't like losing which is rather ironic because their policies set them up to lose.
I have become too tired reading the Mercopress posts and I rest assured that the islands remain firmly in British hands, now and for many years to come, so I bid you a fond farewell.
I've enjoyed your posts but I have lost track in the point of doing this. I guess in reality it is just like parading scantily clad beauties in front of lifers in a prison. They can never have the women and they know it and it just drives them around the bend. No sense in doing that at the end of the day.
From now on I will just get my Falklands vs. Argentina news from my well tried and tested mainstream news sources. A few of my friends insist on only doing this and they are currently picking up 2 maybe 3 minor stories a week. When I tell them about Mercopress they ask me why I bother. At first I thought it was them who were missing out but no, they are right. Taking the news from the UK sources puts it all into perspective. It's not the big story we sometimes get pressured into thinking it is in the islands. My friends who don't troll Mercopress daily are in a much calmer state of mind than a lot of us who spend considerable time on this site.
All the best.
Chuckle chuckle
@267 I also find Argentinians tiresome. They seem to think Europeans care about them. So it's fun to make them jump about a bit and then get back to my book.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0265 Greek
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicely put. They don't like losing which is rather ironic because their policies set them up to lose.
I have become too tired reading the Mercopress posts and I rest assured that the islands remain firmly in British hands, now and for many years to come, so I bid you a fond farewell.
I've enjoyed your posts but I have lost track in the point of doing this. I guess in reality it is just like parading scantily clad beauties in front of lifers in a prison. They can never have the women and they know it and it just drives them around the bend. No sense in doing that at the end of the day.
From now on I will just get my Falklands vs. Argentina news from my well tried and tested mainstream news sources. A few of my friends insist on only doing this and they are currently picking up 2 maybe 3 minor stories a week. When I tell them about Mercopress they ask me why I bother. At first I thought it was them who were missing out but no, they are right. Taking the news from the UK sources puts it all into perspective. It's not the big story we sometimes get pressured into thinking it is in the islands. My friends who don't troll Mercopress daily are in a much calmer state of mind than a lot of us who spend considerable time on this site.
All the best.
Chuckle chuckle
@267 The Falklands are British
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinians here just want to bore everyone the death to think they have won, but you keep your eye open just to see their country deteriorating day by day
(267)
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A sensible decision
Specially now when “Independent MercoPress” seems to have got a new, “Independent” reporter........:
“Another survey will be carried out on Venturer with the main goal to estimate the number of Loligo recruits for the next fishing season that will start on 24 February 2011.”
Altogether, 10 scientists from the Department will participate in both surveys.
Source: Lisa Watson/Mercopress”
http://fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?l=e&ndb=1&id=40327
Chuckle chuckle®
They are but very insecure, indoctrinated, and brainwashed, we know this is true,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They think they have a god given right to take what they want, when they want and from whom they want, and if they don’t get it, or you don’t give it to them, they abuse you, slag you off threaten and intimidate you, they complain to every tissue in the toilet bowl hoping for a soft touch,
Then they get their there South American friends, to back them up to condemn us, and if they don’t play ball, Argentina then shouts and screams and threatens them,
We say this, for a peaceful innocent country, CFK and her immortals are trying there dimmest to create the worlds first new 21st century Empire,
By stealth or theft, they wont stop until some one stops them, or she gets back stuffed and goes,
Just a growing thought.
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@261 Too touchy dear chap, too touchy. I wasn't suggesting that the American Task Force Argentina had been at all successful in their quest to get back the money owed to their members by Argentina. On the contrary, I was suggesting that their very lack of success might be seen as contributing to the US tolerance of oil extraction in the South Atlantic. The ATFA leadership were in London lobbying last month but it could have been a two way discussion of course. Their website does give some interesting perspectives on the effectiveness of legal action against States - well Argentina actually.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redcoat
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0that's what you want to believe. talking is free, but don't abuse with ridiculous.
Axel Arg
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You asked a question about US neutrality when it comes to oil. Lets be honest a country is only neutral while it serves it's own purposes to be neutral. Why do you think Uruguay, Chile etc state they support Argentinas legitmate rights in the Malvinas... because it suites there own agenda, simple as that.
Given that Argentina has systematically ignored/torn up/abandoned agreements it has made with the UK government and other nations come to that, why, oh why would you think any country would TRUST Argentina to abide by any agreement it makes in the future. Even if the UK wanted to discuss sovereignty Argentina simply isn't trust worthy enough?
Given how Argentina is treating the Islanders how could you every expect them to believe a word Argentina says?
If Argentina is serious about soveriegnty of the Islands it first needs to grow up and start behaving properly to the islanders. Earn their trust, because like it or not Britain will not even consider sovereignty negotiations until the islanders wish it.
You need to show the islanders the value and benefits of a transfer of sovereignty.
Your certainly not doing that at the moment are you.
@274 Cero
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“that's what you want to believe. talking is free, but don't abuse with ridiculous”
It's not what I believe, it's a fact, prove otherwise and you know all about is' talking is free' as you have already made false statements.
There is nothing ridiculous about what I write, of course it may seem so when it contradicts your childhood indoctrination, but that is for you to wake up and see why they do it to you.
A clue is: how easy it then becomes to divert your attention.
Amnesty - Argentina's 10% Amerindian population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment in THEIR OWN LAND - http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GREEK YOGHURT. LEGION NI. YNSERE.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GREEK: Betwen 1884 and 1888 argentina in diferent moments arg, suggested taking the case to the arbitration, and the u. k. rejected that posibility. In 1947 the u. k. proposed to discuss before the i. c. j only the cases of the dependencies, and it didn't include the malvinas-falkland islands in the proposal, but our government rejected that idea. After 1947, both didn't propose again to take the dispute to the court. You already know what i think about the lack of proposal by both nations respecting this issue. Beside, even c. f. k said in diferent oportunities that we are not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, we are just asking them to dialogue with us and find a fair solution, it's not imposible to share the administartion of the islands, or any other solution that satisfies the two parts.
YNSERE: What arg. can offer to the islanders, can be known only if there are conversations about it, our chancellours say everyyear before the decolonization committee that arg. has always been disposed to renew the safeguards and guaranties that had been negotiated with the u. k. before 1982, and it rejects that posibility. On the other hand, we have good and negative aspects like all the rest of the nations, is the u. k. a paradise?, no, it's a great nation like any other with good and bad aspects, so, what you type in your comment is a little hipocrite, like it or not, the u. k. is not acting correctly neather, and if you have intellectual honesty, you should recognize it.
LEGION: The right to self determination is the hipocrite excuse which is used by the u. k. and the m. l from the islands to reject the negotiations. I said i dont deny that surelly our government didn't act correctly, but your sides rejects sistematicly all the resolutions that call the two parts to resume the negotiations, accepted or not, you are not acting correctly neather, both sides omit information, read what i typed for ynsere.
278 - Axel Arg - What's Britain got to do with it? I really don't think your average Briton cares much about Argentina one way or the other. I was talking about the islanders. They're scared of Argentina, for very good reasons. If you compare the history of Argentina and the Falklands, which of the two murdered thousands of its own citizens in a dirty war? Not to mention all the other aspects I pointed out.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're the hypocrite, not me.
278 Axel
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is the right to self determination a hypocrital excuse???
There is only one side of this argument which is hypocritical and that is yours. You deny the right of self determination to the Falkland Islanders while having that right yourself.
The Argentine position is that the Falkland Islanders don't have the right to Self Determination because they are an inplanted colonial population. Well so are the Argentines.
Argentina claims the Falkland Islanders don't have the right to determine there own future because the land belongs to Argentina. Yet the Argetines in 1811 declared an independant country in land they stole from the native population... hmmm an act of self determination in land claimed by others. Yet somehow we are hypocrites.
Arentina goes on and on about territorial integrity while it's entire land mass was stolen from other poeple, other people who for the most part were slaughtered... I name thee HYPOCRITE!
If Argentina thinks it owns the Falklands then it is up to Argentina as the complainant to take the issue to the ICJ.
You can bag on and on about “But the UK haven't taken it to the ICJ” but at the end of the day your the ones comlaining.
So basically Argentina needs to prove it, or SHUT UP!
you want the truth,
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/2012/02/question-of-the-falkland-islands-uk-response/
read on indocrinoughts
@278
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Beside, even c. f. k said in diferent oportunities that we are not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, we are just asking them to dialogue with us and find a fair solution, it's not imposible to share the administartion of the islands, or any other solution that satisfies the two parts.”
You're talking utter utter lies and horse-shyte. You, liar, know that KFC has said on several occasions that Sovereignty is not negotiable. You, liar, know that your constitution says that Sovereignty is not negotiable.
So “we are just asking them to dialogue with us and find a fair solution” is lies, you want sovereignty of the islands.
So “it's not imposible to share the administartion of the islands, or any other solution that satisfies the two parts.” is just lies, you want sovereignty of the islands.
Your KFC ghoul created an advert showing clearly the ethnic cleansing of the islands under Argentinian control, saying “this is the future of 'las malvinas'”.
You surely don't believe your own lies, because we don't. liar.
Argentina is a corrupt miss-managed hell hole full of crime and poverty. Handing over any kind of sovereignty to the Argentinians in itself would be a crime to humanity, a crime to ethics and a crime to morality.
@282 GreekYoghurt
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're in good form tonight and couldn't be clearer, but I can’t imagine the androids can take it in.
@283 Many thanks. The issue with prevaricators is they even lie to themselves.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEGION NI. GREEK YOGHURT. YNSERE.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the u. n the one that never invoked the right to self determination for this case, like it did with others colonial situations, in fact did you know that the malvinas-falkland cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation?, did you know that in 1985 the international comunity voted twice by a landslide against the british proposals respecting including self determination for this cause?. I said before, and will alwasy repeat that i dont deny that may be self determination is really applicable for the people from the islands, but only a judgement from the i. c. j can affirm that, and you already know what i think about the lack of proposals by both nations respecting this issue. If you dont believe what i say, then you only have to read the statements by the councellours from the islands, who complain before the decolonization committe, because it doesn't apply the right to self determination, and still considers the malvinas-falkland cause like a special colonial situation.
On the other hand, you are so ignorant that you insist with the argument of the occupation of the patagonia and others territories. I never denied nor omited the genocide that argentine state made with our brothers who belonged to the originary populations, but what you ignore is that the argentine state made diferent historic reparations for those people, which were included in our constitution, it signalizes their pre existence, the protection and the restitution of their lands, in fact, some lands hand been already restored to them, anyway there is still a lot to do for those people yet. This is year cristina sent a project to protect the comunitary lands of those populations, now my question is, what kind of reparation has the u. k. made for argentina, for having deprived it from the islands in 1833?. Finally, if argentina is the best or the worse country of the world, it's insignificant, the u. n resolutions must be respected.
UN General Assembly Resolutions are rarely respected or implemented by those they are directed at. Argentina needs to get a permanent seat on the Security Council and get UK out of its seat if it wants to see a Resolution that has any chance of being respected. Even then, as Argentina and others have shown now and in the past, that is a very very small chance indeed.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@285 That's utter bollox. The UN Security Council had to provide them with the right to self-determination in order for UNSCR 502 to enact Article 51 - The right of a people to self-defence against an alien power. The fact that the UN recognises that one side requires self defence against an alien power is enough.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You talk about the ICJ, but Argentina not only ignores binding the rulings of the UN, but it also claims the ICJ has no jurisdiction over itself, which presumably includes the ICA. Argentina also ignores the rulings of the ICSID. So why on earth would you or Argentina suggest negotiations within a framework to which you have nothing but contempt?
What reparations have Argentinians paid for losing the lands in the war of 1982. You invaded, you lost. Now you should pay reparations for our ships and people lost. That's just how it works.
You say “Finally, if argentina is the best or the worse country of the world, it's insignificant, the u. n resolutions must be respected.” Well, Argentina ignored binding resolution UNSCR 502, why was this? It was intentionally ignoring a binding resolution of the UN, and you say the UN resolutions should be respected?
When Argentina laid unmapped land-mines it was breaking international law, because it cares not for international law.
Everything you say is inconsistent.
Totally amazing that KFC accuses Britain of bieng agressive by having a military pressence here on the Islands and goes on to say that her Country does not condone the use of force over a territory.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wait a minute mrs Kentucky Fried what was it that your people did to us in 82 . Certainly was not a picnic I can assure you.
Furthermore as much as she tries to avoid the facts putting a blockade around the islands disrupting innocent business between freindly nations is in my book as good as cutting of the hands that feed us.
I think is is about time our own democratic government taught this half fried chicken a lesson by totally refusing to recognise argentines right to come and freely walk our land. If she can refuse the Falkland islanders any rights to go about their business then let us by the same token stop them coming and laughing in our faces.
See how up herself she would be then.
Lets move our business elsewhere. we don't need the agro that Mrs Half fried gives us. Let us stand up as one and stop all her privilages of argentines visiting.
@288 1982 doesn't count, because it was really unpopular and a military junta was just doing something really popular where everyone lined the streets and was happy by the invasion, and they didn't intend to invade, and lay lots of land-mines, the British made them do it with their minds.... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0A leopard doesn't change it's spots, and letting Argentinians near the Falklands is a crime against humanity and a crime against common sense..
@289 GreekYoghurt,
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Completely agree,
All these should be banned from the Falklands:-
1) communists
2)lunatics
3)people with violent crimes convictions
4)pedophiles
5)drug addicts
6)drug traffickers
7)people smugglers
8)argentines
9)bank robbers
10)pimps
11) & assorted other scumbags.
285 axel arg
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“in fact did you know that the malvinas-falkland cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation?”
By who?
Not by the UN thats for sure.
Not one UN resolution refers to the Falklands as a special case of colonialism.
there have been DRAFT resolutions from the Committee of 24 which references as such but Axel this are only DRAFT resolutions, NONE of which have been adopted by the UN and are therefore completely irrelevant.
Mr Timmerman oftern refers to alot of UN resolutions... subtly ignoring the fact hat many of the resolutions he refers to are DRAFT resoutions of the Committee of 24, have never been adopted and are therefore irrelevant.
you seem to be falling into the same trap.
Peruvians here is Argentina - Amnesty - Argentina's native population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@290 that's a comprehensive list. I approve.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@291 Yes, but Argentina doesn't regard the ICJ/ICA as having jurisdiction over them, it ignores the security council rulings, it doesn't know what a c24 draft resolution is versus a GA resolution, it claims that the falklands is a special case when it's not.... then it hammers on about the UK not fulfilling resolutions when it does.
It's just nonsense, left there to be ignored.
Argentina needs to get a permanent seat on the Security Council
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahahaahahahah or perhaps Jajajajajajajajajajaja
That's really funny, best one in ages.
@290 interesting!! we have just sent back one of your folk
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LESLIE CUNLIFFE an English rapist who came here to rape , he was EXPORTED BACK to you home country along with many others like
RAYMOND HORNE, ROBERT EXCELL, SIMON WILSON and many more... keep your doors and windows closed and keep an eye on your wives and kids as we DO NOT WANT THIS TRASH OVER HERE.
#295
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you care to share your ethnic origins with the rest of us. I know many Australians and have never met one like you - if you are an Australian.
I notice the use of the Royal We. I presume you speak for the whole continent.
@296 LIFE´S A BITCH!! when the truth is spoken.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way there are a few more of these compatriots of yours being sentenced at the moment: I will list their names as soon as the Australian Law permits it. We want them out as soon as possible!!
295 & 297 aussie sunshine
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you actually have a relevant point to share or are you just trying to score some cheap, pathetic points?
So these men a criminals. Other than the fact they are also English how are they any different to your Australian criminals?
OR are you seriously suggesting that no Australian has ever committed such crimes. Australian prisons all empty are they.
Grow up!
297 - Ironic comments from a aussie, australia was a penal colony for many of our UK ancestors. But you would know that being a true aussie bloke wouldnt you. Fair cop me old dinkum mayyyyte. Must admit is not really part of the arguement / debate to trawl papers for ANY misdameanour that ANY UK citizen does. Lat poster makes the point better, all countries have criminals its a fact!!!! next move Rumpole of the Bailey
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@299 he isn't an aussie's left nut...simply another RG troll.....best to stop feeding him....
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@296 Clyde15
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'aussie sunshine' is an Argentinian parasite swatting in Australia, who's obviously been searching high and low for British criminals to name (total 4, no he probably hasn't any more), on the other hand there are countless Argentinians who are the same type of scum scum.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
We want them out as soon as possible!!
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and if you cant deport them?
Aborigine 'cooked' to death in prison van
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7858877/Aborigine-cooked-to-death-in-prison-van.html
@300Frank,
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's(they?) has got a thick skin, l'll say that for him.
C'mon aussie(ha ha!), have a go, have you been in touch with jayD from Perth?
He'd like to ask where you're from. l'd like to know too.
Then if l've been there l could see if you know the locality like l do.
Don't be shy, mate.
Here is a chance to prove yourself.
When proved, you might be taken seriously.
As it is, only sr Think & other deluded malvinistas believe that you're an Aussie. l know that you're not.
btw-did you ever research the answers to the questions that l asked you?
it seems nobody loves you!
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@304 Cero
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0What not even you can stomach a devious troll?
GREEK YOGHURT. KELPER ABOUT. LEGION NI.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who told you that arg. ignores the u. n and the jurisdiction of the i. c. j over it's self?, per haps you reffer the times of the dictatorship, when it ignored the arbitration over a territory that was in dispute, but let me remind you that we are a democracy since 1983.
On the other hand, there are important reparations to do by both nations, arg, should pay in order to eliminate the mines of some fields that were put during the war, i have always thought that, and the u. k. should also do some historic reparations for us, for having deprived arg. from the islands in 1833.
Beside, who told you that arg, doesn't condene the use of force over a territory?. This is evident that you never heard what c. f. k says, in fact she expressed some days ago that we must deffend the demilitarization of all south america. If most south american countries support our claim over the islands, it's not because of a question of solidarity, it's also because the miltarization of the south atlantic is a threat for the peace that we need. I respect the fact that you dont like c. f. k nor her policies, but you can't buy so easily the partial or twisted information that is published in the media.
Regarding the u. n resolutions, i know that they are just recomendations, but they must be respected, the u. n never said that the u. k must return the islands to us, it has only called to resume the dialogue with us and find a peacefu solution, which is expressed by c. f. k in diferent forums. Beyond what our constitution says respecting our claim for the islands, if the u. n just call the two parts to resume the negotiations, this is evident that allthough the negotiations are resumed by arg. and the u. k, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, because that's not what the u. n and most international comunity signalize. The rejection by the u. k. of the u. n resolutions, shows that it's not acting correctly eather.
@306 axel arg
Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t think anyone else can be bothered to reply to your repetitive and rambling post, but as you really have swallowed Kirchner’s spiel hook, line and sinker, here goes…..
“arg, should pay in order to eliminate the mines of some fields that were put during the war”
Oh how big of you, now all mines have been all cleared, well the cost is 5 Trillion dollars, cash.
“u. k. should also do some historic reparations for us, for having deprived arg. from the islands in 1833.”
What’s that then, giving you back all the rubbish you left.
“c.f.k. expressed some days ago that we must deffend the demilitarization of all south America”
Of course she would, she and you want the islands defenceless, so no chance on that.
“but you can't buy so easily the partial or twisted information that is published in the media”
The only thing we need to know is Argentina cannot be trusted and it looks like that is the way it is going stay.
“it has only called to resume the dialogue with us and find a peacefu solution,”
Argentina states that sovereignty is non-negotiable, so there will never ever be any negotiations.
“The rejection by the u. k. of the u. n resolutions, shows that it's not acting correctly eather”
The UN will always try to mediate, but Argentina has no case and the only correct action is to abide by the Islanders wishes of wanting to remain British.
@307Redcoat,
Mar 25th, 2012 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0l seldom read Axel's drivel.
He says that he is a Geography teacher, God help his students.
He says that he doesn't want Sovereignty, but he does.
He thinks that Argentina has “rights” in the Falklands when we all know that they have not.
He keeps on about a “peaceful” solution, then makes threatening statements.
l could go on, but willnot. l seldom swear here, but l think that he is a real wanker.
@308 lsolde
Mar 25th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you have Axel summed up well.
Changing the subject, I’ve been looking out for cruises of southern South America, which call in at the Falklands and have read resent reviews of people who specifically booked a cruise on the Star Princess wanting to do the same thing, were told after sailing that they were not going there and only got a glass of wine as compensation. Although I would also like to visit Montevideo and Santiago, without the Falklands, I just wouldn’t bother.
Sorry to ask but do you know what the current situation is?
REDCOAT. ISOLDE.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If i repeat the same once and again, it's because i have always read exactly the same from your side since two years ago, with out any critic to the posture of the u. k. and the islanders's.
The debate for the malvinas-falkland dispute can't be reduced to a cheap nationalism which is based on phrases like, the malvinas are argentine, or go away the pirates from the islands, or the falkland are british and there is nothing to discuss about sovereignty. You can't ignore that the main problem is the sovereignty, and it must be discussed, i read many resolutions from the general assembly for the investigation that i made, and it invoked that right for diferent colonial situations, but it never applied that principle for this case. I dont deny that we claim for the sovereignty, it's obvious, but it doesn't mean that the only one outcome for us is the transference of sovereignty to argentina, which is parroted by the councellours from the islands. It's not imposible to find a fair solution that satisfies the two parts, your problem is that you dont want any fair solution, you just want be to abandon our claim. Before you play the victim, like you love to do, you should recognize that the rejection by the u. k., to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most international comunity signalize, in order to find a peaceful solution, is not correct eather. I dont deny that per haps arg. didn't act correctly when it recalled the agreements that it had signed with the u. k. during the 90's, because i'm not drivel like you think, however you never recognized that you are not acting correctly eather, may be you should review who is being actualy the drivel in this situation. Finaly, if some of you think that there is a posibility of a new invation by arg., which justifies the huge militar base in mount pleasant, that shows how far from the reality you are, no matter how much you hate c. f. k and us, you should think more and avoid to buy that so easily.
I think the point about military bases is clouded by the fact that who can say what will happen in Argentine politics down the line. It is easier for the UK to keep some forces in the Falklands than have to mount another task force at some later date. CFK could be voted out and an even more hard line crew installed.
Mar 25th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I were living in the Falklands, I would be looking over my shoulder at the mainland wondering what they will get up to next.
Maybe the Falklands will go into some form of confederation in the future but, and a very big but, it is going to take a l-o-n-g, l-o-n-g time.
@310 axel arg
Mar 25th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We answer your questions and you never accept them.
We tell you repeatedly Argentina doesn’t have claim but you persist that it does.
We of course remind you we are the aggrieved party, Argentina invaded.
We tell you Argentina says sovereignty is non-negotiable, so obviously negotiations are pointless.
We remind you of Argentina’s obsession on the subject and how it intimidates the Islanders and although you have no apparent military capability, the British being there is both reassuring and ideal place to have a base.
So don't continue to torture yourself.
312 Redcoat - I believe the cruising season is almost finished in South America, and only CFK know what she might get up to next (Southern Hemisphere) spring. I live in Punta del Este, about 80 miles from Montevideo, and would be glad to show you around. I travel a lot, but hopefully we might be in Uruguay at the same time.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@312 Redcoat,
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't heard of any problems yet.
Never heard of the glass of wine for compensation!
@313 ynsere
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your kind offer, I appreciate this year’s cruise season is over, was looking to go around January next year, but only if I’m assured of getting to the Falklands. However you have reassured me about going to Montevideo, if Uruguayans are as friendly and welcoming as you.
@314 lsolde
http://www.cruise.co.uk/cruise-reviews/princess-cruises/star-princess/read_review_33925/
I’ve been with princess cruises before and I can somehow imagine this happening with them and if it happened to me I’m not sure you could grasp how peed off I would be.
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