MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands recovers community land 30 after the war, following mines’ clearance
Thirty years after the end of the South Atlantic conflict, the people of the Falkland Islands will be recovering an iconic leisure ground which remained banned for three decades because of the mines planted by the retreating Argentine forces that invaded the Islands 2 April 1982. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina should be paying compensation for the clean-up. It would be a nice positive measure for a change, instead of the pathetic histrionics.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They need 50 units MRAP ( each price is 1,6 million $).
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no, here it comes. “How stereotypical. Not content with squatting on Spanish treasure islands, the pirate Anglos even use native Rhodesians to clear them of mines”.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is a repeat of a blog on here weeks ago,
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as for pirates, good show,
For all I know the British have no Mine Resistant and Ambush Protected vehicles and their technologies.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 MistyThink
Mar 20th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Twat
I do find it incredible that clearance of these mines is not the job of the RG's, or at least paid by them
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to repeat one of my posts………………..
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0”(67) Think Mar 04th, 2012
TWIMC
I can see that MercoPress is intensifying its coverage of the “Malvinas Landmine Issue”.
Until now they published an “Update” about this “Issue” every 48 days or so….
Now they are reporting a “Landmine Celebration” due in about 24 days…..
24 days from now, we can surely expect a full reportage of said “Landmine Celebration”
24 days further away, we may get lucky and get yet another “fact-packed reportage” telling us about that “Landmine Celebration” they hold some 24 days ago.
Brainwash anybody?”
PS:
That “iconic leisure ground” should be perfect to play some rugby........
Think,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just well placed and timed news coverage illustrating that we are still cleaning up the mess of the cowards who laid them.
You dont like it? If you call it brainwashing then you should be 100% behind it! It is part of your culture!
Re rugby, we should let those RG rugby guys see how they navigate through a mine field! Actually never mind, theyre probably too light footed!
Malvinenses living in continental Argentina say that the islands belong to Argentina.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some islanders said They Were Malvinas belong to Argentina
Yolanda Bertrand 4th generation Bertrand in the Malvinas, says that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Alexander Betts 4th generation Betts in the Malvinas, says that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Paul Betts, says that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Jennifer Reid, says that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Derek Rozee, says that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
James Peck, said that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Legionario, so how many people is that in total, i can count 6 for sure!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0another pointless RG post
@5 - Clearly never heard of the British warthog then have you!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 - And your evidence is what? Or did you just ake all those names up apart from James Peck, or better still decided to put words in their mouths to make it look like they said the islands were part of argentina when in reality they never said anything of the sought!
legionarseiole,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0come back! gives us more details or have you crawled back up the drainpipe?
Some info for scandalized newbies:
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has offered several times, during the last 29 years to send demining teams and remove every single mine.
The United Kingdom (+ the Kelper hardliners) have refused the offer every time.
The minefields are still there in contravention of the Ottawa Treaty, signed by the UK
Not because they are difficult to remove, but because they are a magnificent propaganda tool to get emotional Anglos to react without ”Thinking”
en.mercopress.com/2011/04/22/chilean-army-clearing-antitank-and-antipersonnel-mine-fields-in-tierra-del-fuego (44)Think
I quote MercoPress:
”While Britain welcomed a commitment from the previous Menem Government to pay for the clearance of the mines, it rejects any suggestion that this involves any compromise on the sovereignty claim. The De La Rua Government's official responsible for Falkland’s affairs, Susana Ruiz Cerruiti, is quoted as saying: “Argentina will pay whatever it costs to remove the mines planted by Argentine troops. Removal of British mines will be at British expense”
en.mercopress.com/2000/10/27/falklands-mine-clearance-talks-in-argentina
I quote a Kelper:
”There is a very good reason why Argentina is not permitted to pay for the removal of mines in the Falkland Islands. The Ottawa Treaty requires states to remove the mines from their own territory. The Falkland Islands are not Argentine territory. I understand that Argentina was involved in the early stages of planning the demining, but their input was not required in the end”
en.mercopress.com/2011/02/12/falklands-minefield-clearance-next-phase-moves-to-the-capital-stanley-common (11)Monty96
I would also like to draw your attention to the following book:
books.google.co.za/books?id=V5ZpiuCLoOQC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=demining+falklands+argentina+offer&source=bl&ots=MSXBjpdgwj&sig=ee3cFEIPbL5Zh6Q-QGi7vLSR8Zs&hl=da&sa=X&ei=os1RT72cMc2Kswa_mtTUCw&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=demining%20falklands%20argentina%20offer&f=false
@5 Mushythunk
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the problem might be that you seem to be suffering from a PBKAC error. “For all I know” is in this case a pretty good indication that you don't know anything.
The British Army has more than 500 MRAP vehicles.
@11,12 Hahah, 6 people who defected to Argentina think the Falklands should be Argentinian. Is that all he has? HHAHAAHAH that's very fun.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 “Removal of british mines will be at british expense”?? Well considering the UK conforms to INTERNATIONAL LAW and maps their minefields, if we ever had any, then I doubt it's a problem. Argentina of course, doesn't comply with International Law on anything.
Why would you offer to pay just for the mines? We want reparations for everything, including sunk boats, lives lost, people disfigures... we want billions for the pain you people caused.
@9 Speaking of Argentine rugby players, did anyone else here notice the mercopress article last week about Uruguay beating Argentina in the final of the South America cup? And this is a team that wants to join the Tri Nations... in light of this latest development they might as well give up. Getting back on topic...
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Think, before you get all high and mighty about the land-mines' continued presence there being illegal, don't forget that it was your soldiers who put them there.
“a commitment from the previous Menem Government to pay for the clearance of the mines”
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well we all know Argentine “commitments” are not worth the paper they are written on, if they're written on paper at all. Just hot Argentine air, nada mas...
@ 16 Ruf
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0500 MRAP have been enough for UK. ?????
26.552 units have been produced since starting date in 2006.
Let me explain more to inform you .......
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have posed set of new problems for US military.The biggest of these was the issue of roadside bombs or “” improvised explosive devices“” also known that are IED s. The US military's soultion to this problem was the the joint mine resistant vehicles.or MRAP.the program began in 2006 and know there are more than 26.552 seperate units on the Department of Defene's budget.The vehicles are produced by different contractors and come in different shapes and sizes.,depending on their role but most vehicles have a V-shaped chasis to deflect blast from under the vehicles as well as armor capable of withstanding 0.5 caliber rounds.
Total cost of this program was ... 41,6 billons $
Procurement cost ...40,9 billions $
R & D cost was ....0,7 billion $
each price is ...1,6 million $......
Could it be that the Islanders could not trust the Argentinians to remove the mines?
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians :- “ We have now cleared all the mines, the land is now safe.”
Falklanders move onto cleared land - God almighty bang !
Argentinians:- ”Sorry, we must have missed some!!
It's a thought
The Menem proposal also included proposals to use Argentine supervisors and Argentine clearance personnel, in a thinly disguised attempt to persuade some largely uninterested countries that it had some sort of sovereign responsibility for clearance, which clearly it does not.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is of course notning to stop Argentina paying a lagre dollop of cash to the UK Government with no strings attached if it wishes to salve its guilty conscience.
@15 Squatter Think,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can pretty it up however you like,Comrade.
But none of any of this would be necessary, IF:-
THE ILLEGAL, INCOMPETENT, INVADING ARGENTINE ARMY HAD NOT PUT THE MINES THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Why shouldn't we make political mileage out of it?
lf you don't like that, then don't go placing unmapped minefields on OTHER people's property.
And that lslander that you quoted was quite right.
lf we allowed Argentina ANYTHING to do with the mine clearance, they could be guaranteed to try to score political points of some description out of the situation.
Also as Clyde15 has remarked, l doubt very much whether we could trust you to remove all of the mines, through slipshod methods & evil intent.
l wouldn't trust you lot to pick up the morning paper, you incompetent fools.
15 Think
Mar 21st, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please will you? because, looking at your posts, you arn't at the moment, Come on son, you can if you try. I'm sure you can...........
An Argentine commitment is oxymoron.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget getting them to pay for clearing the mines, get them to pay reparations for starting the war and all the losses involved.
$$$
11- My aunty betty says that Falklands belong to Falkland Islanders and Uncle Jack disagrees... what the dickens you on about!!!! its childish.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Teacher, teacher me and Jack smith and Millie Green and Jake Mills all think that Henry Scotts smells, i done you a list of the names for evidence.
It was a real shame that destructive methods were used to clear the mines (though perfectly understandable) because the opportunity was missed to return the mines to Argentina: preferably out of a plane over B.A.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the sake of accuracy, and after some research, I have determined that Britain has no MRAP vehicles.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basically, this is because MRAP is a United States designation.
Although there are similarities, U.S. MRAP vehicles and British vehicles ARE different. For example, Britain operates the Ridgback 4x4, the Mastiff 6x6, the Mastiff2 “Protected Eyes” and the Wolfhound 6x6. They cost about £416,000 each.
@27 The only people chucking things out of planes are the Argentinians with their drugged up nuns.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember Satan and Argentinians don't like Nuns.
Send the bill to the Argies they should pay for what they have done to the Islands........................stupid people
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0via Lord Ton :
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Republic of Argentina has enshrined within its own Constitution that the only acceptable future is full Argentine sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Republic of Argentina does not seek genuine dialogue but simply wishes to discuss the terms for a transfer of sovereignty. But neither the United Kingdom nor the Republic of Argentina can negotiate away the principle and right of self-determination for the Falkland Islands people. We should like to remind the Republic of Argentina of their international legal obligations to respect the principle and right of self-determination for all peoples, as respectively set out under the United Nations Charter (Article 1.2), the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (common Article 1).
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/britains-official-response-to-argentinas-accusations-at-the-un/
31 - The Argentine SUDACA constitution means nothing, it's not respected by their own president and even the paper it's written on was probably stolen. No truth to any laws or treatys of any kind in SUDACA land Argentina.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think,
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is your 24 days bit from? You are off target here - as you correctly pointed out when someone else was off target about that Guardian poll! 25th March is a few days time by my maths(poor as they are!)
McClick - the excavator here may have cost a few £000s to midify - not that figure - it is an normal(reinforced cab)excavator operated by one person- not a 30 ton APC!
We would never accept Argentinians here to clear minefields as the Sov conflict is still ongoing! No probs though if they want to pay UK to do it am sure UK would not refuse!
Think - most will not be easy to clear - and you know it! Where there are no records or plans of what was actually laid where other than in a “general area” ! Let alone the ones laid in beach sand dunes that move each year with the wind and beach erosion etc!
Dover Tit 2 - a bit out of date arent you? these guys have been Zimbaweans for a few decades now! They are good folks and are good at their job and presumably get good pay otherwise they would not be here! And it is carried out very professionally and with safety as the 100% priority at all times.
Amnesty - Argentina's 10% Amerindian population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment in THEIR OWN LAND - http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(3) Cmd McDoD & (33) Islander1
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For some, it will always be Rhodesia somewhere deep in one’s heart.
(My Selous Scout Roamer Anfibio is still ticking strong :-)
PS: Islander1
As usual........, I’m not out of target…
If you want to understand, try reading my comment and link again…
If not……….., don’t.
14 brit abroad (#)
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 GreekYoghurt (#)
There is documentation that proves that, at the time, more than 40 families dispersed Malvinas by Argentina's continental and whose descendants far outweigh the Malvinas thousand Argentines, who are forbidden to settle or reside temporarily in the islands, or have real estate or other commercial interests in his native country he or his immediate family, originating in the Malvinas.
http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/portal/
http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/portal/
@36 Legionario,
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Correct,
we don't need deluded malvinistas, who have no rights here, cluttering up the place.
lf it was my decision, there would be NO Argentines, tourists or otherwise, allowed here.
Only the families of the burried soldiers would be allowed for a limited time. One or two days would be enough.
(37) Isolde
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Legionario was not referring to any ”Deluded Malvinistas” at his post (36)
He was referring to the more than 1,000 (One thousand) “Argentinean Malvineros” residing in Argentina.
Direct descendants from the about 40 Kelper clans that, during the last ~170 years, have chosen to live in Argentinean Continental Territory.
Alex Betts (a true Kelper) has this to say about the situation of those +1,000 Argentinean Kelpers:
Ladies and gentlemen…….
If I wished to return to my place of birth, where I resided the first 35 years of my life, the occupying power would not allow me to……
This exclusion extends to anyone born in Malvinas that at any given moment decided to settle on Argentinean Continental Territory……
There is documentation that proves that more than 40 Kelper families have dispersed through Argentina and that their descendents by far exceed 1,000 (One thousand) persons…..
One thousand Argentinean Malvineros that are barred from settle, reside, own property or having commercial interest on the soil they have been born in or where their families originated from……..
http://www.embajadaabierta.com/?p=617
@38 Squatter Think,
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats really just too bad.
But they are Argentine citizens, ja?
You all keep telling us just how good Argentina is.
And they moved there of their own free will.
And now they want to come back.
Perhaps they smell oildollars.
No, l think that they made their beds so they can lie on them.
Unless they renounce their Argentine citizenship & become British subjects.
And expect to be treated like any other immigrant in the selection criteria.
Then, of course, it would have to be looked at on a case by case basis.
We don't want a fifth column here.
You won't get any sympathy from me sr Think.
l take it then that you support non lsraeli Jews' rights to settle lsrael.
Their families originated in lsrael/Palestine & they left too & now want to come back.
l expect your prompt reply.
#38 All of which is untrue, there is nothing to stop them going or owning property or having a commercial interest. There is nothing to stop Betts going back, I would imagine the children he abandoned would like to hear from him perhaps.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is my cousin Adolfo in London making fun of your stupido english army
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E
Sorry pal, he is a Scots Guard, not English !. We are not as polite as the English and a bloody site rougher. Remember them from Mt. Tumbledown? They pushed the “elite” Argentinian marines off at bayonet point and sent them running back to Port Stanley.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can be equally offensive as you !
(39) Isolde
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Easy now, girl…………. Easy now.
Many Island Kelpers are in contact with their Continental Kelper relatives.
You better keep in mind that Malvinas is NOT your turf.
You are just a newly arrived Wheni. (Wheni was in Papua, Wheni was in the Philippines, Wheni was in Indonesia etc. etc. etc…..)
You are nobody to tell any Kelper that they are not welcomed on them Islands.
Don’t rock the boat too much, girl…
You may fall in the water….
How would you know, Think?
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trying to insert a wedge, aren't we?
l didn't say that they were not welcome.
Of course all immigrants will be vetted, l was.
lt certainly is my turf now.
My partner just happens to be at least 8th generation, so unless we split(extremely unlikely)then l think l'm pretty safe here.
Btw-my other half shares my views, in fact is more vociferous than me.
Why, dear Think, would you like to emigrate here?
(44) Isolde & other Whenies
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your Turf” ….. ?
You Whenies are so funny.
These things take a loooong time down here, cher Pomette..
Maybe your daughters children will be able to call Malvinas ”their Turf.”
But, of course, at that time, ”their Turf” will be a part of the greater “Argentinean Turf.”
You partnering with a real Kelper makes things easier for you, but by no means, makes Malvinas “your Turf.”
Get used to it.
45 I don't Think
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas? Where are they? Nobody knows where the mythical Malvinas are!
Have a think, I don't Think and you will find out that no amount of thinking will bring you the answer that the real world already knows, think on that!
@45Think,
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very lame reply, Think, very very lame indeed.
And you called me “cher”! Does that mean that you really do care?
Please tell me it is so............... :-)))))))
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Getting back to our original discussion, cher Think, when you rode out on your white horse for the rights of the Falklander Diaspora,
to quote your words, with slight corrections of grammar & spelling:-
”-in excess of 1000 Argentine Malvineroes(think he means Falklander's descendents here), that are barred from settling,residing,owning property, or having a commercial intrest on the soil that they have been born on or where there families originated from“
Howcome, dear hypocritical Thinkus, that these Argentine citizens have these rights when the rest of us, who actually live here are ”squatters“ & ”implanted”?
Been saving this one up just for you Think :-))))))
As l said before, if they become Falklanders & British citizens then l have no problem with it.
lts not up to me, however.
Do you want us to embrace these people with open arms, let them settle, then vote to join Argentina?
A cunning, cunning plan Thinkerick.
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