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Populism very much alive in Latam subtly converted to ‘delegative’ democracy

Friday, March 23rd 2012 - 00:34 UTC
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Populism in Latinamerica has moved from the dictatorships of past decades to the so called “delegative” democracies such as those of Venezuela and Argentina, according to a group of Latam intellectuals meeting in Peru in an international seminar, “Latin America: opportunities and challenges”. Read full article


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  • The Cestrian

    Here we go. The worst kept secret in south america is now out. Pandora's box has been opened.

    Not only that but they have picked on the exact two worst offenders - Argentina and Venezuela, although bolivia are also trying their best to be in with this cabal.

    I wonder where this will all end?

    As Chavez has done so will Argentina.

    how can the population of Argentina sit back and allow this to happen. are you all fucking stupid?

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troneas

    These people are 100% correct.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KFC de Pollo

    i wonder what the campora fascists will be saying when they see this?

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stefan

    “haughty and arrogant” is a very nice way to describe KFC. I prefer “insane and annoying”, but that's just me.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fermin

    Democracy in LatinAmerica is strong like never before! And when it was very very weak, people like these guys were not on the democratic side...

    About Mario Grondona, he loves the military dictatorship times and cooperated with it... So... what can we say about him... He is also friend of the Spanish ex-president Aznar, that guy who was not very democratic when it came the time to support the USA, the UK and others on the “preventive war” adventure in Afghanistan. He put Spain into battle despite the spanish majorities' claim for PEACE.

    These guys have never worked for democracy... so... if they want a Latinamerica even more democratic than the one we have today they should start working for it.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 6 I love your twisted version of Democracy, fermin. How is La Campora doing? Militant? Have you received the money today, Peronista?

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga

    Reading Grondona talk about democracy when he partook in a military dictatorship is just gut wrenching.

    Besides, in political science, the term populism is perhaps one of the most disputed and contentious concepts out there. And yet, this article rants on about it BUT DOESN'T EVEN GO TO THE TROUBLE OF DEFINING AND INFORMING ITS READERS WHAT IT UNDERSTANDS BY IT?
    shallow, very shallow approach to a very interesting topic.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 7 If you don't know the meaning of Populism, open a dictionary and you will learn what Populism is. Books don't bite :)

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    “Populism very much alive in Latam subtly converted to ‘delegative’ democracy” No sh!t sherlock.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Helber Galarga


    I didn't write the article you idiot

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    Now we know where The Botox Queen got her inspiration for Le Camping from. 150,000 militiamen in Venezuela.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rebeldenacion

    And this is how Cristina Kirchner psycho president of Argentina and her cronies get votes:

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @10 Don't get upset because your government is a populist, it was populist too back in the days of the Junta when they invaded the Falklands. Besides, populism is clearly defined in political science, even the south american variety.

    Get over it; we all did.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    indicate me where has no populism in the world... !!

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @14 my underpants.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yd1982

    If Argentina had been in the British Empire like Canada, Australia, etc., and was connected to the British imperial system in the same way as those, it would not have had populism at all in the same way. It would be genuinely democratic!

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Don't you just 'luv it' when these cretins talk about democracy as if they understand the meaning of the word.

    This lot would have a brilliant career as estate agents in Britain.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jerry

    Actually, the people in Paraguay lived more peaceable under Strossner than Argentines do under the K regime.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    “....... is dishonestly fudging the figures as badly as the Argentine government – which is, justifiably, viewed as an economic laughingstock in most parts of the world”.

    Looks like the Yanks are struggling but the bits about Argentina are right on the money.

    Looks like they are fooling absolutely no one.

    Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cero

    speaks the far right, it smells like fascism

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias


    But thankfully Argentina was not part of the British Empire. If it had, no tango, no Borges, no dulce de leche, no mate, no folk, no Spinetta, no Soda Stereo, no oscar movies in Spanish only, no “vos”, no malbec... since Canada and Australia have effectively no real culture of their own (yes, I know I will offend people, but that is the truth, both countries are overrun by American everything and it leaves no room for anything authochtonous).

    Because you see, life is a lot more than just money.

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @21 Argentinian culture is just a slightly different version of Spanish culture with a bit of Nazi and Italian thrown in.

    Canadian cultures is about the outdoors, living with nature and enjoying maple syrup products. Australian culture is about sports and the outback.

    I'd say Canada and Australia have a far richer culture than Argentina, which is quite probably reflected by the number of tourist dollars they take in every year, and the flight distance. (Australia and Canada are rammed full of British Tourists, Argentina is not)

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Argentine culture just in cuisine is richer than British cuisine in its 1000 years, and to think the French founded your modern state, you didn't take after their food.

    British tourists only go to English speaking countries because otherwise they cannot communicate like other tourists can. English speakers can't even pronounce from a phrasebook because the English language has no pure vowels, everything glides 'eeeii'''' aaaiiii'''' ooouuu '''... rendering them incomprehensible.

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    23 tobias

    Have you had a head transplant, because the tobias I know wouldn't mix English vowels with the way they are spoken in Espanol?

    I know how to say both sets, and you have mixed them!

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Yes, I have. The head transplants was done by you guys. I tried for a long time to be nice, but the latest round of insults and denigration of my nationality were the lass straw. Now I will be a 'truth' telling troll, or TTT. I won't lie, I will simply tell the truth with links to back it up. Like the racism of anglos or their lack of concern for the environment or the hatred of Americans around the world.

    Those three have pissed off many posters this morning. They are simply getting mad at the messenger, but that is what happens when I'm called a Nazi, a polluter, and an inferior non-anglo. Now take it like men, when your side decides to become civil again, I will stop with the blatant truth telling.

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @25 You HAVE to be kidding about Argentine food. Even Argentines complain about that every menu in Buenos Aires is the same boring selection of rehashed Italian food or meat.

    I like Argentina but the influence of Spain and Italy is overwhelming. They need to develop something unique, other than the reinvented Gaucho; once reviled but now the national symbol.

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Argentine restaurants are flourishing all over the world, so I can't really say you are correct (again).

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Tobias, the TTT (Total TurnipTerminator:-)

    Mar 24th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yd1982


    In such a case, Argentina would have been a mix of English and Spanish cultures in kind of the same way as Canada is both English and French and white South Africa is both English and Dutch/Afrikaner. So, Argentina would still have tango, mate, dulce de leche, etc. Besides which, mate (the tea) grows in northeast Argentina and Paraguay no matter what.

    To sum it up, Argentina would have the best of southern European culture combined with a British-descended political and economic culture (like in the US, Canada, UK, or Australia) that greatly values genuine democracy, civil society, and human rights, and where corruption is not quite as bad (where there is corruption) as in real-life Argentina or elsewhere in Latin America.

    Mar 25th, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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