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Legal actions against Argentine officers who tortured conscripts during Malvinas war
The Buenos Aires Provincial Memory Commission, CMP, will present on Monday an appeal to the Argentine Supreme Court demanding that tortures and other ill treatments suffered by the Argentine conscripts during the Malvinas war by their own officers be considered ‘crimes against humanity’ and therefore imprescriptible. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt is good that the officers involved are being held to account - but you still get the sense that it is part of an effort by the Argentines to disassociate themselves from culpability for the conflict. When are they going to prosecute those that randomly dropped landmines from helicopters or other actions where the victims were not Argentines?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0that dictatorship has done more damage than can ever be repaired.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is just as alarming is that no one in developed world opposed it in '76! In fact, it was welcomed, especially by the USA, given that it was a understood as being a 'functional' regime in some alleged war against communism.
Now, I am not sure it was 'functional' to those alleged US interest . However, what I do know for sure is that that dictatorship has cut a rift in Argentine society and left scars that might never heal comletely.
I agree that crimes committed by Argentinian military personnel against anyone, including each other, during the time of their illegal and immoral occupation of the islands in 1982 are a matter for the Argentinian authorities to address. They were not crimes against humanity, though, they were just good old fashioned crimes.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC: “We didn't do the War, it was the people in the Junta who did the War, we're peaceful and don't like war, please forget we all supported the war and ran into the streets clapping with glee, we're peaceful even though we support the Condors, an international terrorist group”
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reporter: “hmmm...”
These are just hypnotize reports can not have sanction reed .
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Classic civilian maneuvers....
There are no any country in the world ,who has a constitution detailed to judge for its military operations and soldiers.
Prescriptible....prescriptible....
Yup, and you can thank the British for precipitating the collapse of the dictatorship Helber. Funny, though, how you all rushed out onto the street to cheer when the “Malvinas” were “recuperado” by that same Junta...
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The usual Argophobes are really struggling here, to make this fit with the idea of Argentina as a solid monolith of evil that never changes, face it the (pro-western, pro-capitalist) junta are gone and the best hope for burrying their legacy completely is my Queen, the beautiful heroic Cristina
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We regret it so much we rushed to get this sorted as soon as possible, 30 years later... and as near to any anniversary as possible so the papers can say how lovely we are, please don't pay attention to the trade blocks or the bullying of our neighbours, we'll apologise for those in 30 years time too and blame it on someone else as well.”
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank the British for precipitating the collapse of the dictatorship, you say?
So now you wish Argentines to believe that the UK's goal in going to War was to help Argentines out of a dictatorship?
Wait a minute!!! I don't recall the UK actively protesting when the dictatoship came to power in '76. In fact, I actually believe they welcomed it! Much like the USA, the UK believed having such regimes (i.e. dictatorships such as the one in Chile with Pinochet at the helm which toppled a democratically elected government with openly admitted USA support and the UK turning a blind eye and, later on, thanking Pinochet) was instrumental in some war against communism.
It was never the UK's intention to help liberate Argentina from its dictatorship. It went to war with other goals in mind. Now if you are referring to INDIRECT AND NEVER INTENDED CONSEQUENCES from the British going to war, well, with this BIG caveat in mind, I would say yes.
@7 Beautiful? Definitely not. Heroic? Well lets see... bullying a small island community even though she has more than enough land already... bullying her neighbours into doing what she wants... lying about history to make it seem like Argentina is somehow in the right... doesn't seem too heroic to me. She's also done nothing to help with the deep economic problems in her country, and in case you hadn't noticed, over the past few weeks many businesses have decided to cut their losses and move out of Argentina. Her protectionist policies are killing her nation. She is not a hero.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 maybe not heroic, but British_Kirchnerist MAIN POINT still stands that some of you neanderthals are really struggling here, to make this fit with the idea of Argentina as a solid monolith of evil that never changes,
Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0tortures and other ill treatments suffered by the falkland islanders during the 1982war And since up to 2012 by their argentine counterpart be considered ‘crimes against humanity’ and therefore imprescriptible.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the sooner CFK is punnished the better for democracy .
@6 one more thing.....
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank the British you say?
Would this be the post-modern version of 'white man's burden“ were those ”civilized” are supposed to be grateful?
@ 13------
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0do as 6 J.A. Roberts says.
@13 Yes, I suppose an analogy, between ungrateful failed independent African former British colonies, and a failed South American former Spanish colony, could be drawn.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helber - 13 - If Argentina had not been beaten by the British in 1982, your murderous dictatorships would have continued in power for many more years, supported by a very large proportion of the population, perhaps even now. Those of us who lived in BA in the early 1980s will never forget two Argentine bywords of the times: “No te metás” (Don't get involved“ when someone disappeared, and ”El que no salta es un inglés“ (If you don't jump for joy, you're English”. Neither edifying, honorourable or civilized for your country.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 016 ynsere
Mar 26th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they love their military, the fact that it genocided a large proportion of their youth is irrelevant to them, they were, “soldiers, carrying out orders”. These people are disgusting, I can't even bring myself to address people like Helber.
@ 13 How about giving yourself a life to live, you old man? Or a higher dose of Fluoxetine?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fool's logic: because the phlegm is coming out of your lungs, we will give you a cold-syrup. FOOLS! If you are phlegming then you are already cured! Putting the cart in front of the oxen.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Junta attacked the UK because it was already losing control of the country and desperate! In fact you Brits are one of the biggest heralds of this theory, which you bruit about even today as an explanation for CFK!
So that would mean the Junta's collapse was already underway before the war! You fools!
Do you realize how dumb you people are! Is there any intelligence left in those forsaken UK islands? Or are the few left with a brain being shot by police at the underground station or while in custody?
“Nobel Peace Perez Esquivel will also be at the presentation”
Mar 26th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to note that for Mercopre$$ is important to highlight that a Nobel Prize will be at the presentation, thats good.
- Then it is likely that they also decide to publish his letter to MP Cameron about Malvinas Issue ? i think could be a good and professional behaviour from MercoStanley
http://m24digital.com/en/2012/02/17/adolfo-perez-esquivel-argentine-nobel-peace-prize-sent-a-letter-to-cameron/
“Legal actions against Argentine officers who tortured conscripts during Malvinas war” = Window dressing
Mar 26th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 20 mirá de las pavadas de las que te ocupás! una carta de adolfo.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perez esquivel! No existe ese payaso.
@ 19 “So that would mean the Junta's collapse was already underway before the war! You fools!” Of course it was, you dork! But Galtieri thought the war could help him to stay in power, but Argentina lost the war and the rest is history.
we are all fools,
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but who really is the fool,
the fool who speaks, or the fool who listens,
[pardon]
Helber, it's no problem, don't thank us. We don't really care. But the least you could do is apologise for an illegal invasion and lives lost unnecessarily - ours of course. It's obvious you didn't care about the lives of your own, as the article above alludes to, not to mention all those barely drugged people pushed out of aircraft into the rio de la plata...
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So xbarilox, my reasoning is right, the reasoning of the Brits is wrong. The Brits did not cause the Junta to collapse, the war WAS a symptom of the collapse. I'm right.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Them Fools!
...and yet Another Victory of reason, logic, and intellect, brought to you by the TTT™ (all rights reserved).
Till la proxima fools!
Here we have film of the people culpable for the Falklands War.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
ALL those in the film are culpable. How many hundreds of thousands are there? Start with the ones in uniform. Then the ones waving banners and flags. Then the ones that are chanting. Then the ones that are there.
EVERY one guilty! And this was in only one group of hovels! What was going on in other groups of hovels?
THESE are the people that NEED to be PUNISHED!
And how many of these bloggers were there
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chanting,
You say :
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why junta collapsed.....
I say :
te reason why that Touch-type Through Torpedos ( TTT)
Isle of Man TT racer
Mar 26th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With an extra [T ]
Perhaps.
One lump or two .
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9 Helber Galarga---- Of course, we had no other goal than to take back our property from the thieves who stole it. Moreover, you can thank your God we didn't because in some quarters there was talk of coming over and teaching you a few manners on how to act in the World and it would not have been pretty I can tell you. Quite a few of us were all for carrying and not stopping when we did including senior officers we were that incensed at what your country had done and that needless lives that had been lost not on your side we could not give a toss about your lives but the loss of our friends. But sane minds prevailed and we didn't mores the pity because I believe when you have a foe who has attacked you through no fault of your own you put that foe down for ever so that he can’t get up and do it again.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if the Argentinian Forces hadn't been beaten off the Falklands this little lot would have happened to the islanders.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Helber, all this is just an attempt to disassociate themselves from the Junta even though their policies regarding the Falklands aren't much different. We don't see Argentina as a monolith of evil, we just wish they'd leave the Falklands alone.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 how about making a meaningful post worthy of debate you deluded muppet?
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Truth_Telling_Troll
Mar 26th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont you mean:
“Thems Fools!”
1 Idlehands You said “It is good that the officers involved are being held to account” I agree, never too late for justice.
Mar 26th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also said:“When are they going to prosecute those that randomly dropped landmines from helicopters or other actions where the victims were not Argentines?”
What about the use by British troops of white phosphorus to kill Argentinian troops during the Malvinas conflict and Iraq invasion?
It burns to the bone and the gas it produces, phosphorus pentoxide, is poisonous.
@35
Mar 26th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Different issues - landmines kill civilians long after the war has finished, while grenades rarely do.
Phosphorus grenades are good for providing cover by smoke, and they also have the added advantage of frying enemy soldiers.
Of course, if said enemy soldiers don't want to be fried they could always move or surrender, so I would argue they brought it on themselves if they were burnt.
36 Sheltie “landmines kill civilians long after the war has finished”
Mar 26th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Specially when the “FIG” refused Argentina's Government offer to remove all the mines at their own expense.
About your phosphorus grenades comment, do you sometimes wonder why you are hated all over the world? The two British servicemen shot dead by an Afghan lieutenant a few hours ago and many others pay the price for the abuse of others.
#37 Marcos Alejandro,
Mar 27th, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0.“ do you sometimes wonder why you are hated all over the world? ”
Yes Marcos...millons and millons all over the world know exactly the reasons...
“..We are a global network of citizens who have suffered injuries at the hands of the British Empire over the last five hundred years. We've banded together to ask the United Kingdom to compensate the world for all the damage they've done.”
http://www.britishreparations.org/commercial.php
@ 38
Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You RG's really just scramble around grasping for any little thing to either try to justify yourselves or evade questions.
The british as a country have done a lot of damage during the colonial eras but also have had profound and postive effects too. However we now live in the modern day and i for one do not see how a people, hundreds of years later can be held accountable for actions commited by distant relatives. its like saying Italy owe damages due to the roman empire rule over Europe, and that present day mongolia owes damages to all those people they massacred during their empirial days, oh and lets not forget the Spanish and the Argentinians in the south americas!
There are loads of examples of peoples (not just the british) who committed terrible crimes against other peoples throughout history and Argentina, REGARDLESS OF THE SCALE, have done the same!
So before you start using Britian as an example, perhaps you should look a little closer to home!
39 “However we now live in the modern day and i for one do not see how a people, hundreds of years later can be held accountable for actions commited by distant relatives”
Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Iraq/Afghanistan/Lybia, hundreds of years later?
#39
Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0True, many empires have done terrible things, the only problem is while the old empires are long dead Britain continue his behave until this day and still defends a stolen booty in 1833 from a young nation....Argentina.
However, what's worse is that continuous support colonialist attitudes and their evil actions only by using weapons, force and not reason and logic.
Things totally unaccepted in this century and this civilized world....the international comunity is asking....
The Malvinas are Argentine and sooner or later UK will have to return the occupied lands, there is doubt about, the only question is when and how.
Oh Jesus!!! Please help so far!
Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Old empires.......................France!! The Netherlands!!!
Perhaps the Falklands will become RG property, but not by the way you are doing it! So put your thinking caps on and come-up with a better solution!
If i had a position in RG government (god forbid) i would have already starting devising positive plans that help both peoples, and a plan of slow cooperation and development. i could have done this in a faster than it takes KFC to put her make-up on!
Your present government policy on the falklands is not going to get you want you want. Full Stop!
so_far,
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are so_far from the truth & you are too stupid to see it.
The Falklands(correct name, please)are NOT Argentine & it would be impossible to “return” them as you've NEVER owned them, ever.
The only reason we use force to protect OUR property, is because if we did not, your “young nation...Argentina” would try to steal them again.
“young nation”, indeed! trying to get some sympathy here.
You mean, land that you've stolen from the natives, after you've murdered them.
Hypocrite.
The lnternational community is not asking anything.
They don't care about Argentina's ridiculous “claims”
Where is all your support in the UN?
Get real, so_far.
@41 There are problems with your comment. For a start, argieland isn't a “nation”. It's a bunch of imperialist colonialists implanted in a foreign territory where they killed the majority of the Amerindian indigenous people. Compounding this by declaring a preference for future white European immigrants! Just in case the Amerindians want their country back.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately for Britain, we gave the majority of the territories that we took when such things were acceptable back to the people we took them from. What's your excuse? You've been amassing “booty” since 1516. When are you going to give it back?
What's your point about “a civilised world”? Argieland isn't part of “a civilised world”. And the “international community is asking” only in your psychotic imagination. Let's take the recent visit of Twinkyman to the United Nations to explain the UK's belligerency and “militarisation” of the South Atlantic. Did you notice all the delegates leaping forward to agree and denounce the UK? No? Neither did I. So much for that.
There is NOWHERE in the WORLD called the Malvinas. So you can have them if you want. Just don't confuse your imaginery islands with the Falkland Islands. Because they are jointly owned by the Falkland Islanders and Britain. Neither can you have South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. Because they've never been yours either.
But there is one possibility, in the unlikely event that none of us want these territories anymore. We could drop them on you. Carve out huge chunks and drop them on your groups of hovels. Being made of rock, these chunks will not be susceptible to guidance. They will just drop. and smash your hovels, and you, flat.
What do you reckon? Do you want to go for it? Do you want to be smashed flat?
@41 so_far
Mar 27th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trying to annex (by any means possible) territories and a population, to which you have no legitimate claim whatsoever.
It is Argentina that is being colonialist here, about a 100 years after everyone else stopped.
Like you reached the Antarctica 100 years after everyone else.
they are indocrinated,
Mar 27th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they just dont know it,
If this action was taken to its logical conclusion virtually every Argentine officer and NCO would be charged.
Mar 27th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My brother was responsible for guarding 500 Argentine officers kept behind on the Falklands for several weeks after their surrender. He said the majority were blond, blue eyed, aryan's. This in a nation of latino's! You can't make it up! Just one look at some of the pics from Argentine forces on the Falklands, the officers stand out, they are the ones with the blond hair and the blue eyes! And parents who fled from post war Germany!
It was reported at the time that officers were allowed to keep their side arms, as it was felt they were in danger from their own men.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like their own men had just cause against them.
Mar 28th, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please watch this short educational video on Argentina - it's hilarious...
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
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