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Argentine group questions ‘ambiguity’ of Malvinas April 2 commemoration

Saturday, March 31st 2012 - 07:23 UTC
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The same group of Argentine intellectuals and free thinkers that last February presented the document “Malvinas, an alternative view” in which among other things they recognize Falkland Islanders right to self determination, released a second text in which they strongly question having chosen April 2 to commemorate the Day of the veterans and the fallen in the Malvinas war. Read full article


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  • GreekYoghurt

    Well, intellectuals, on this day in 1982 the alien tyranny of Argentina was imposed onto a territory within the south atlantic. People died in order to free this territory from the imposed will of an alien nation, and those people deserve to be commemorated. The fact that the collective delusion of ownership still exists in the Argentinians is justification enough to maintain vigilant that the latest tyrannous regime will try again, only the fog of war hides us from the timing of this future event.

    Nothing ambiguous about that.

    Get over it, we did.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    It is rather odd that Argentina claims to deplore the military dictatorship and yet chooses to celebrate it for the day it launched it's greatest folly that ultimately led to it's demise.

    Remembering and venerating the dead should be a sombre day of reflection - picking the only day they were cheered in the streets is not about remembering them at all. Argentines should be ashamed about how they were shunned when they returned.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DJ56

    These intellectuals have hit the nail on the head when they say that the real issue that Argentina should be asking itself is
    “Choosing the position we adopt regarding the Malvinas cause, is choosing the country we want to have, the Argentina of the future. An Argentina closed and locked into itself in its own victimization and own reasons, or an Argentina open to the world and capable of articulating its interests and aspirations with those of all human beings”.
    Unlike all too many Argentinians, they realise that until Argentina moves on from its deluded national mythology, it will continue to be held back, and will risk repeating the errors of the past.
    No doubt this seriously thoughtful statement will be met by the predictable response from Kirchner and her supporters. What a shame.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @3 You really think La Campora are going to let go of their main tool of national control?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    I feel sorry for these people. It must be awful being the only sane ones living in a lunatic asylum. What strikes me as particularly absurd about the Argentine position regarding their imagined ownership of the Falkland Islands is that they teach their children that this 'right' is reinforced by the fact that some of the members the Argentine invading force who were killed during their eviction in 1982 are buried on the islands. There are many more Falkland Islanders and indeed British servicemen who have lived on and died recovering and defending those islands. It works both ways. They never mention to their kiddies the British servicemen and Falkland Islanders who died as a result of their unprovoked mindless petty nationalist aggression. Hypocritical bastards.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • etherea1

    It would be like Germany commemorating 1 September 1939 whilst still blaming the Jews for everything.
    You'd think the day of the fall of the Junta might be more appropriate timing.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @6 I think an addition to your analogy would be the Germans continuously blaming the polish for stealing their land, and having a constitutional amendment reinforcing their long term goal to get the land back through fair means or foul.

    If that's not aggression, I don't know what is.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    free of expression they can say what they think

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Seems ridicoulous mind you in the UK went about “commerating” launching morally dubious military expeditions we'd never get any work done.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    “In a televised speech the Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has suggested the possibility of nationalising private companies that he thinks are working against ”the constitution and national peace”.

    Looks like the RG disease is spreading to Venezuela, idealogical buddies of course. Surely in the end all this will do is drive private companies out of the country and produce poverty.

    Short term political opportunism at its very worst.

    Why oh why do these people stand behind their discredited constitutions, amended constantly to reflect the political wills of successive dictatorships as though it was some sort of altruistic document.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ira Curtis

    @7...Greek, History only repeat itself,
    The reasons why the junta did it in 1982, are EXACTLY the same reasons why the present junta does it today. In a country where the cheif economist declares publically that printing money will not effect inflation, forign investors are pulling out and business partners are pulling their hair, all is possible. All the barking done by CFK and co. is meant to deviate public attention from the real issues and justify another disaster. Listen to her public addresses, I can hear Hitler, Stalin, Castro and others speaking. Same gestures, same tones same boddy lenguage. Does it really matters when you commemorate an “heroic” action, and at the same time bring it's originators to justice for crimes against it's own people?
    As long as the “Thinking” group counts only with 15 people or so, she will win. What's wrong with this beautiful and rich country?
    She was elcted democratically, wasn't she?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian


    they are bone idle. they talk about being a great nation but cannot be bothered to put the effort in to actually be one. they are an utter contradiction when on the one hand they are nationalistic to the core yet on the other are a set of selfish tossers who think about do anything and everything to get themselves ahead as individuals - and fuck the consequences for their country.

    they just cant help being up their own selfish fucking arses.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @8 For how long? Seems to me that Clarin tried for “freedom of expression”. How's that going?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    clarín is all day in press, in radio, in cable, in tv against the government. Against the SUBE, for ex that is sth I find it positive, for people that travels. But they criticize everything. In many things of the government I dont agree, but not all.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Las malvinas = Nationalism = the masses getting continuously shafted by their own system

    To the Argentinians The Falklands look like a heart broken in 2.

    Its the symbolism of the map image along with the idea thats its 'so' close and yet so far away that feeds into their self pity and sense of yearning for a better life/Argentina that continuously eludes them. If only they could get the Islands everything would be ok....

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Fascist

    Please watch this short educational video on Argentina -

    Malvinas vs Falklands: Negotiations with the U.N.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    At least this group has the fortitude to stand up to the delusional, indoctrinated, majority in questioning the nonsense that is Argentina today over the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).

    It will probably only get them more abuse from the CFK gangster wanabees of Le Camping, but let us all hope they are not physically harmed.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian


    Ha, ha - class:

    sums it all up.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    They are completely right in most of their piece, I do not and will not do anything special on monday. The only thing they are COMPLETELY wrong in:

    “An Argentina closed and locked into itself”

    Is exactly what is required. Free from all institutions, free from the other nations of the world that wish only our enslavement or destruction.

    Close all the borders, stop talking to the rest of the world. I would wager they will destroy themselves before we ever did. (Asia and Europe always end up destroyed, you can't change 3000 years in 50 years of peace through the point of a nuke). And the USA will be destroyed if there is any future global war, as oceans no longer insulate them.

    Argentina, close the windows and lock the doors. Then we can focus in correcting our shortcomings.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @19 You're basically going to become the next North Korea and start eating tree-bark soup? no?


    Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    “The Malvinas cause that is being vindicated and is done as if it were a just cause but in bastard hands”

    Commerate the fallen, but celebrate the invasion, forget about the Junta.

    And wonder why the British maintain a military presence, in the neighbouring S Atlantic

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @21 Given recent Argentinian messaging, the obvious question is why is the military presence in the Falklands so small.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    No, that's because you are liar and a fool. Argentina can grow food for 500 million people, North Korea never could for more than 5 million.

    We could be closed like North Korea indefinitely.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @23 Yet again, an argentinian trying to paint someone else with the term by which they've been accused. School playground argument method.

    Argentina cannot grow food for 500 million, unless you like perpetually eating a slurry of wine and soy oil accompanied by soy broth. It's more likely that you'd suffer complete economic and social collapse before being forced to spend nights in Maximo hotels by Le Campora black-shirts. Even if you could grow this amound of food you'd go on strike because you're lazy and then it would all rot while you all mullet-chainsmoked.

    Making up nonsense isn't mature.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Argentina can grow food for 500 million people, North Korea never could for more than 5 million.

    Any chance they can have some?
    Dying from hunger in food-exporting Argentina

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Surge in Britons asking for food:

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    These people aren't as reasonable as they might have us believe. In their original letter they revealed this when they indicated that the Argentinian posturing they were openly criticising “weakens the just and peaceful claim for the withdrawal of the United Kingdom and its military base”. So there we are. Even for these apparently sane people, the islanders must be separated from the UK political system and it's forward based defensive posture. One can guess why.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Have you even read those storys, Truth_Telling_Troll?

    Woman with debts driving a luxury car asks for food and get's it. She eats.

    People in one of the largest food exporting country's die from starvation.

    Little bit of a difference there mate.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    The difference is a country where people drive a 'luxury' car (which is not true of 99% of food people), obviously are mental because their priorities are friggin upside down.

    I won't bother explaining why those “starvation” deaths occured, because none of you are interested in the truth anyway (hint: it's not because they lacked a chance to have food).

    Anyway, Argentina can lock itself into extreme isolationism and do fine. I think that is what annoys you all, because you want to portray Argentina “needing” the mighty USA, EU, Brazil/Latin America, China... we do not.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MistyThink

    ( 20 )
    Have you ever gone ,seen North Korea by your own eyes ?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • TipsyThink

    ( 20 )
    If you went and saw North Korea...I would ask you three simple questions on it...

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    And Argentina could do 1 million times better than North Korea or Cuba, since we would not waste billions on a nuke program or defense like the Koreans and Cubans did. So those resources would be available.

    Furthermore, North Korea is a country in a sub-polar steppe, Cuba in a tropical equatorial region with cyclones. None which are conducive for reliable crops.

    Argentina has Cuba-weather in the north, Korea weather in the south, and temperate in the middle. An isolationist nation has never really been tried with a temperate climate and efficient agriculture both due to climate, land, and technology, which we have all three for farming.

    We could say “f- all” and no problem.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian


    “And Argentina could do 1 million times better than North Korea or Cuba, since we would not waste billions on a nuke program or defense like the Koreans and Cubans did. So those resources would be available”.

    Youd steal the resources man. If you had the money to build a nuke the money would go into the back pockets of the President, La Campora and other shady individuals who run your country.

    You will always be poverty stricken because those that can steal and those that cat starve.

    Also dont fucking lie to us. If you could build a nuke you would. No one has much doubt about this.

    Finally youre a set of lazy bastards. Idle cunts. you'll never make anything of your country. you know it and I know it.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • estg

    Our Veterans deserve to be honored and respected regardless of the political backgrounds of the decision that motivated their participation. Period. That´s what, for instance, they do in the UK.

    I do not support the current Argentine claim, and I think the decision of starting a military action was wrong, but I will always honor our veterans and I´ll have nothing but words of admiration and grattitude for their effort and sacrifice.

    Al the rest is BS.-

    @ 33 you´re a sorry little person ....

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian


    “It's not like it is that hard today anyhow”.

    Piss off man. If it was easy everyone would have them. The Iranians have been trying for years.

    “..but then signed a treaty”.

    Yeah, like that would bother Argentina. LOL. As the Brazilians have done but theyre now building nuclear submarines ie “militarising” the south american continent despite this famed non proliferation treaty.

    however you wont say anything to Brazil because they are bigger than you and you only pick on those that are smaller than you that you can bully.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    No he is not. He is your average Briton. They just don't say this to the other nations of the world because they “get along with them”. But that's exactly how they think of everyone else, except other Anglos of course, the master race. They are well-learned from their German cousins.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian


    Youre a set of lazy cunts. You know it and I know it. You are famed for it. You are a lying set of cheating lazy bastards who will do anything to get an advantage.

    No one believes a word you say and you are absolutely not to be trusted.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    @32 Argentina, an isolationist nation? Sincerely, good luck with that. I'd be concerned about the apparent inherent endemic corruption in your nation, but if you manage to overcome that, if it worked out, and you left the Falkland Islands alone; I'd support Argentina all the way... I never thought I'd say that :) Buena suerte y buen viaje!

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Actually it is well know that many in the nuclear arena believe that of all the countries trying to get one, Argentina was the by far the closest to achieving it, in fact some have stated Argentina has nukes. The threat certainly was considerable enough to get Brazil to become pretty desperate in those year because they believed they had fallen way behind in the nuclear race, and the USA became obsesse by Latin America signing nuclear treaties.

    “The Terror Trade features an exclusive interview with ”Eric“, an international arms dealer who tells with chilling detachment of underground plutonium buyers gathering at a Sudanese hotel ”so full of people, it was like a flea market.“ He also states in the program that Argentina has had an atomic bomb since 1983, and identifies various countries involved in nuclear black market trading. Israel, Libya, Argentina, South Africa, Iran, Iraq, Syria, India, Pakistan and Brazil - countries which appear to see possession of nuclear weapons as essential to guaranteeing their national security - have sought black market materials.”

    “It is not clear how Iran could convert - and therefore why it is doing so - the 20% enriched uranium into fuel rods for the Tehran reactor as only France and Argentina can do that at the moment. ”

    Argentina resumed enriching Uranium last year, key word resumed. It could back in the 1970s, and to a high level.

    Sig Heil Cestrian! Take care about your blond-blue eyed master daughters from the sub-humans.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    @38 Cestrian To be fair, Pakistan built a nuke, albeit with mischievous Chinese help. How hard can it be? Try to moderate your language, I know it's hard, dealing with Argentine 'logic' not to lose it sometimes, but we are British. Get a grip man ;)

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    Moderate your language? You mean “act more like we do with the other countries, pretend we like them but feel superior to them inside, just don't say it”.

    Sig Heil Alexei! 88 for eva!

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    @42 Ooh you bitch! Yes, that's the sort of thing :))

    Actually, lighten up you Muppet ;)

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Argentinians are whores.
    They are not worth the time of day.
    Just F--k em and forget em.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @30 Yes, I have seen it with my own eyes.

    @42 are you still on every thread trying to hide the faults of Argentina's foreign policy by sending links to news articles about a British person dying of eating too many chicken kievs?

    Who trains you Le Camping Gimps to do this? It's not very effective.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    I'm not mad at you don't worry. I know why you are grumpy. I just heard on the news, Britain is back in recession.

    So that's 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, now 2012... another year gone.

    Now that's over 5 years right of going nowhere? The phrase “lost decade” is starting to dance in my mind.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @46 Plummet airline's lost $2.1 Billion was coming into my mind. What did happen to that money by the way?

    Lost french nuns?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Plummet Airline's been accident free for four decades. Horrible customer service, amazing safety record. Fact.

    You know I was curious if “lost decade” and “Britain” were starting to be used in the media (I genuingly thought about the term on my own just now as a reply to Englander)... and I should have known that it was already a fact and not a suggestion of mine:

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    This is what happens when you use your wealth to invest in Frankenstein’s , experiments,
    You end up with two different sides of an unworkable brain,

    That’s why the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing,
    Still, the good side is, they will change it again soon,
    But wont tell anyone, now that’s thinking clever, is it not,
    Chuckle, titter , giggle .

    .back later boy, no he wont .lol.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @48 I'm asking you a direct question, where did the $2.1 Billion that Maximo was given to buy a fleet of brand new jets go then?

    That's something tangible that was lost.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    35 - Estg - ”

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    Maybe some of it surely trying to get a special meeting with Cameron. He charges a lot for his services I heard. Perhaps his “colonialist” statement came after some secret discussions (costing about 400k pounds I think per meeting), and he got upset that CFK just can't let the Falklands matter go. No doubt he would welcome further meetings, if the price is right, as honest British political tradition states.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    May be they are right when they criticise the way that the second of april is remembered, per haps it can be an interesting debate.
    Anyway for being honest, i dont believe anything from those so called intellectuals, i think that they are just using the cause, in order to criticise the government, and to get more press for them, and i'm going to explain why i think this.
    Firstly, they only criticise our government, and dont say a word about the rejection by the u. k to resume the negotiations, like the u. n and most international comunity signalize. Beside, it's very difficult to believe that in a group where there are jurists, they ignore that the u. n never applied the right to self determination fo the malvinas- falkland cause, it's very difficult to believe also that they ignore that the u. n has always considered this cause, like a special colonial situation. On the other hand, they only criticise the support of our people during the war, and dont tell that during the dictatorship, there was not any freedom of press, the four chanels that we had were in the hands of the junta, all the information that was related to the dispute was twisted, in fact when i see documentals about the behaviour of press during the war, i feel like braking the t. v, all the time it was siad that we were wining, beside, they dont tell eather that during the conflict, there was a huge march which lemma was, malvinas si, proceso no (yes to malvinas, no to the process). I am going to make an investigation about the behaviour of the press during the war, there is a lot of information about it. These are all the reasons why i dont believe the soposed genuine interest in this cause by those so called intellectuals.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @53 Any more biased drivel to add to your argentinian-school brainwashing inspired monologue?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @48 TiT 'Plummet Airline's been accident free for four decades. Horrible customer service, amazing safety record. Fact. '
    I guess these 2 don't count...

    what is it about RGs and the truth?... and thieving?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    35 - Estg - “Our Veterans deserve to be honored and respected regardless of the political backgrounds of the decision that motivated their participation. Period. That´s what, for instance, they do in the UK.”

    Yes I quite agree, and may the dead rest in peace and the veterans live in dignity, on both sides. But what still amazes me is that Argentine has chosen the anniversary of its war of territorial acquisition started by a regime you now claim to revile, and which you lost. In Britain the date is 11th November, the anniversary of the end of WW1, which Britain did not start but did win.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @48 'Horrible customer service' .... well you got that bit right....

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    I know in Britain math is not considered a science, but more a sub-category of Astrology and Witchcraft, but I'll still attempt to explain:

    “accident free for four decades”

    four decades is |||| sticks of ten.

    one | of ten = |||||||||| (1o one sticks)


    ||||||||| one sticks = | ten stick


    |||| ten sticks = 40 one sticks

    40 one sticks can be substituted for years.

    In calendar vocabulary, 1o years is called a decade.


    one decade: |||||||||| years

    four decades: four |||||||||| years

    Or in other words: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| years.


    Now between 2012 and 1974 we have 38 years... How do I know? There is this concept called subtraction:

    2012 - 1974 = 38 (you need to carry, I can teach you that)

    38 years. Then we round... Rounding is when you put numbers to zero at a specific place value. How do we do that?

    We go to the nearest ten digit... is 38 closer to 30 or to 40?

    Lets see: 38 - 30 = 8
    40 - 38 = 2

    Now we have to do what is called “greater/less than”

    Is 8 greater than or less than 2? 8 is greater.... so that means 38 is closer to 40 than to 30. So you round:

    38 ... 40.

    40 years. 4 decades.

    My statement stands.

    Any questions? Math... the universal language (I think the Brits thinking English is the universal language don't study math, since they admit not needing other languages. Since math is a language not only you are monolingual but don't know math). Figures.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stakeholder

    Axel, might it simply be that the group of intellectuals has a different point of view to yours? Could it be that you don't believe anything they say because you disagree with their approach to solving the sovereignty dispute? Maybe they do not call on the UK to negotiate because the simplest way to solve the whole issue would involve Argentina dropping its claim and attending to its own troubles. Maybe they genuinely support our right to self-determination regardless of what other bodies may or may not say. Good luck in investigating their hidden agenda, but please keep an open mind.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @58 You really need to calm down. Why are you spitting poison at everyone?

    You do not speak for Argentines. Most Argentines want to be a part of the world community; to be able to travel freely and enjoy a better life.

    I was in Argentina until yesterday and one comment from an Argentine is fresh in my mind. She said, “We are really struggling. Most people here are really struggling just to get by”.

    Innflation is a big concern for everyone there and most are embarrassed by the antics of a government intent on isolation and alienation. If the government had shown their cards prior to the election I think the result would have been very different.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll


    I also talk to Brits. They tell me they can't make ends meet. 2 of 3 in talk to online live paycheck to paycheck and have no savings.

    And now with Britain back in recession, there seems little hope for them in the next years. They seem to hace much bigger worries than the Falklands,which the UK government has well under safeguard.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    So.... 1988 and 1992 were 40 years ago ..... what planet did you say you came from?
    Writing off an aircraft is writing off an aircraft.... whether you manage to kill people ( as they did on the Austral flight I mentioned) or not is incidental...
    Writing off an aircraft suggests a certain lack of competence..

    My statement stands... you are talking bollocks... again...

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @61 Seriously, have you been to the UK? You cannot compare the standards of living.

    Recession is not the same as the Argentine government driving their economy off a cliff. You need to get some perspective. Really, you need to open your mind and get out more.

    I have spent years in Argentina and never met anyone as bitter and zenophobic as you.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    5 year recession is just run of the mill to you? Interesting. You must have a cushy job, travelling all the time, and not in touch with the reality of your own people. UK living standards have declined 12% according to your own figures and that is acceptable? Interesting.

    If I have a cheap car and a small house but I have them paid off, I am wealthier than a person living in a 500,000 home with a Lamborghini and a 2nd home in Jose Ignacio but owing 90% of that in debt. In fact many working class Argentines have bigger living homes than wealthy people in the UK, just lack of space of course.

    Zenophobic? Is that related to Zebraphobic?

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    ”a just cause but in bastard hands” They said it to scoff but its actually a brilliant description. The end of colonialism in the South Atlantic was such a just cause that it was rapidly becoming unarguable by even the British government itself, which was already negotiating, and scaling down its presence, under both Callaghan and Thatcher. Then the bastards decided to wage a war of agression as a publicity stunt at home; it didn't work for them, and now they're in jail and one of the leftist activists they didn't manage to dissapear is the most powerful, hegemonic President in the country's history, a Queen by democratic acclaim. Instead it shored up the British elite and their policies (economically the same as the junta's policies), though not forever it seems, at least not in Bradford =)

    #13 Apart from being the Murdoch press of South America and friends of all previous dictatorships, Clarin's owners most probably snatched the children of murdered activists, then fought for years for the freedom of non-expression of their identities, to deny closure to the mothers of the dissapeared. I salute my Queen for all she has done to smash their pernicious influence, and she had balls of double strength steel just to have taken them on, no other leader survived negative headlines from them yet she is winning a “war” with them =)

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    I respect their opinion, but it doesn't mean that i am going to believe them, i have right to believe them or not, like anybody else, and i explained why i dont believe in them. It doesn't mean that i have a closed mind, may be you are confusing me with one of your compatriots who type here, who never make any critic for the behaviour of your government. In my case, i have never denied that per haps our government didn't act correctly when it recalled the agreements that t had signed with u. k. in the 90's, but at the same time, your side has never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is not correct eather, anyway i dont think you are going to recognize it. If those so called intellectuals, had intellectual honesty, they would criticise also the rejection by the u. k. to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most international omunity signalize, beyond if the agree or not with the right to self determination for the islanders, they know perfectly that the u. k., is not acting correctly eather.

    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    C5n, Cronica, TN24, Clarin, La Nacion and Pagina 12 are reporting gunfire and smoke at Quinta de Olivos . There is a missing military detatchment from La Tablada and two commanders not-responsive to their commanding general. Eyewitnesses reported some camuflaged vehicles just moments before.


    Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (67) Nope……

    No news here in my Chubutean Cul-de-sac ...

    But my Brit-Arg neighbor rancher short-waved me minutes ago about two Vanguard commanders “Gone Rouge”…..

    Everybody knows that British Trident commanders are able to launch their missiles without any authorization………….(Didn’t you know?)

    Rumor has it that they are targeting Paris and Pocklington………..

    What an odd day!

    I better brew me a double espresso….

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @67 What a shame that they and you couldn't wait until the eve of the 2nd April, then you could look forward to a two day national holiday for the next 180 years or so. Anyway, it probably happens every Saturday night in every Argentinian Armed Farces garrison town but just goes unreported.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (69) Cmd McDod

    You could, at least, have asked for permission to use my ”Armed Farces”® words.

    But well…... I suppose that Pirates dont respect any property, not even intellectual one.

    Chuckle chuckle®

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @70 Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, don't you know. Anyway, hypothetically, suppose I have pirated something of yours. What might you do about it? Threaten me with court action and arrest should I ever visit Argentina again? Perhaps you could get your embassy in London to write to RBS telling them that I've broken Argentinian laws and request them to be reminded of it when they next send me an account statement? Perhaps you could contact our editor here and threaten him/her with legal action for facilitating my piracy of your property? All of these things and more? Enjoy your breakfast.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @70 That would explain why Argentinians don't respect IP, especially in healthcare.It would also explain why they don't seem to understand common property laws relating to land ownership.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (71) Cmd McDod

    None of the above.....
    I would, of course, have felt flattered and given you my unreserved permission.

    Anyhow, you have hereby my written authorization to call the Argentinean “Armed Farces” for “Armed Farces” as many times a s you feel like it.....

    As a matter of fact, feel free to extend the use of the term “Armed Farces” to every and each “Armed Farce” in the world.

    Just had a couple of double espressos and some toast with a generous layer of Lumpsucker roe on them….


    Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Oi! TiT! Tell us again how Aerolineas Belgranosinko/Austral is the safest airline in the world..... pity about how they sometimes cross the perimeter fence with their wheels still attached to terra firma....

    Its funny how quiet these RGs go when they are caught out talking bollocks...

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @73 So, if I pirated something of yours you'd be flattered and do nothing about it. How sensible. But if you don't mind I won't subscribe to your world wide Armed Farces franchise, there being no UN Committee to help me determine which ones are and which ones aren't. Enjoy your lunch.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I'm never getting on a Arg Plummet Airlines plane, and that's a fact.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (75) Cmd McDod

    Being my “property”, I may freely decide if I want to do anything about it or not.......

    In this case I choose not to.....

    I will let you and your own sense of ethics to decide about the use of my worldwide “Armed Farces” franchise.

    An example as the one I cite below is not precisely “flattering” for the “Liberator Armed Farces of the North”…..:

    ”- Ignored distress signals by Nato, warships led to the death of 63 migrants (including children) on a boat which tried to cross the Mediterranean last year.

    A small blue rubber boat carrying 72 people set sail from Tripoli shortly after midnight on 26 March 2011.

    Survivors said that a military helicopter hovered overhead and signaled the boat to stay put.

    The helicopter returned a few hours later, dropped biscuits and bottles of water and left.

    Both the US and UK had choppers in the Mediterranean at the time but have refused to provide information to the CoE concerning their location.
    Meanwhile, between day three and day six, people began to die.

    On day 10 a large military vessel approached their boat. There was a helicopter on board and maybe fighter jets.

    ”Some [of the naval officers] were looking through binoculars and others were taking pictures of us. We held up dead babies ... and also the empty fuel tanks, Ghirma Haleform - an Eritrean survivor - told the CoE investigator.

    By this point, half the boat's passengers were already dead. Those still alive shouted for help but the military vessel turned around and vanished into the distance.

    The European External Action Service (EEAS) was asked,back in November to release satellite images in its possession which pinpoint the position of military vessels at the time of the events.

    “We asked [EEAS chief] Ashton for the satellite images of the vessels but waited a long time for a response, later only to say that they had handed it all to Nato.

    Nato refused to provide the data”

    I rest my case....

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @77 What the hell has the death of 63 illegal immigrants in the Med got to do with Argentina celebrating the beginning of their illegal occupation of the Falkland Islands, using the analogy of Germany celebrating the invasion of Poland?

    Do you Le Camping Gimps know how to stay on topic? Can you find anything slightly related next time?


    Apr 01st, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #72 I spit on the concept of “IP in healthcare” which has killed more children of preventable diseases than probably anything else. 100 years from now criticism of my Queen will I believe be as rare as support for apartheid or fascism today, she really is a visionary and a hero

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @79 Then I presume you also spit on the trillions of dollars and man-hours that these companies have had to put into developing the drugs in the first place?

    It's not a great economic model if you expect drug companies to spend millions on a drug and then get paid £1.80, because “Argies don't want to pay”. In fact it means no new drugs will be developed.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • estg

    @ 38 “Youre a set of lazy cunts. You know it and I know it. You are famed for it. You are a lying set of cheating lazy bastards who will do anything to get an advantage. No one believes a word you say and you are absolutely not to be trusted.”

    ^^ Yeah, Wiki, that´s the gospel of truth

    Definitively, Cestrian, you are a sorry little person; I feel so much sorry for you.

    @ 45 Greekyogurt: “le Camping”

    bhahahahahahahaha !!!!!!
    LOL, I wish I could use that in spanish as well :)

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @78 Think tells me he doesn't read your posts any more so don't expect an answer.
    @ 77 Thank you for your illustration of how Armed Forces of any nation and many nations can behave in a farcical fashion but wouldn't you say that what you described was rather more tragedy than farce? Farce is when you set out to do something in all seriousness but, through circumstance, incompetence and arrogance, find yourself publicly failing in a socially embarrassingly manner.

    I wish you all the best for Veteran and the Malvinas Fallen Day tomorrow. I will be remembering my one time colleague and friend Jim Barry, just as I do now.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The celebrations will pass without incident are harm.

    And the sabre rattling will die down,

    And things will go back to normal.

    Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #80 If its only to then make sure that nobody can actually use them, then yes its a grotesque use of time. Better to develop drugs that can then actually cure diseases, like Cuba does

    Apr 02nd, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    like Cuba does
    we we hope hugo the bear is gratfull then .

    Apr 02nd, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • row82

    Please join -

    Keep the Falklands British -

    Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    84 British_Kirchnerist

    Name ONE drug, developed by Cuba, that has passed ANY recognised safety examination.

    BTW, Cuba fcuked Chavez's first AND second cancer surgery up completely, which is why he won't last another 8 months.

    Over to you!

    Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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