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Uruguay reveals the existence of an “Argentina 2020: imports substitution” plan
Uruguay’ Foreign Affairs Minister Luis Almagro revealed that the government of President Cristina Fernandez is fully involved in the implementation of a plan called “Argentina 2020: substitution of imports” and therefore bilateral trade negotiations that are difficult, will continue on that same path for several years. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMentally the Argies live in their own little self centred ,self deluded world. Why not go the whole hog and cut themselves off tradewise as well.Oh! They are doing that already.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder how many Latam or world leaders turn up for the Christina and Hector show on April 2 ( should have been April 1 ; it makes more sense).
Maybe the rest of the trading world would be doing Argentina a favour if they simply gave up selling products to Argentina. They would then be compelled to start producing the products themselves.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is forcing Argentina to buy things.
Festering isolationist ex-nazi neo-fascist state is festering.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Better just cut them off from the outside world like DPRK.
most of the growth in Argentina's economy came from the private sector and private investment.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0government is below 1% and exports minus imports is almost zero.
synopsis: the hard work (private sector) of Argentinians is making the country richer, the government is not affecting the economy much.
http://kkalev4economy.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/argentina_gdp_contributions.jpg
@4 The growth in the Argentinian economy is based upon subsidies which come from raiding the national pension and central bank. That's the growth even exists which in itself is arguable, because the only figures to go off are from INDEC who are just sociopathic prevaricators.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0These subsidies are they pushed down into industry so that they appear in any tax calculations as growth.. which we all know they aren't.
Take for example the Gas Plus scheme which because of fuel price capping has made it completely uneconomic for you to develop your national oil and gas deposits, thereby making you have to go to the market to buy gas and oil at higher than international rates, because selling anything to Argentina is very very risky.
That's not stimulating any kind of growth or making you richer. It's just creating dependency and impending economic failure once the central bank reserves and pension pot are dry.
@5
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can anyone take you seriously when you are so biased.
There is growth, people have a job they produce something. small or big at least they are trying.
stop being so negative.
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Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Mar 31st, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0so you guys in North Europe are very very productive.
Get off your high horse pleaze.
The new “Foolish” ways of Argentina sound like the old foolish ways of Brazil 50 years ago (Brazil is so much smarter now) when the so called “law of the domestic equivalent” import substitution program drove inflation into the stratosphere !!
Mar 31st, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a shock, Cestrian got comments removed.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did they by any chance include the words “Sig” and “Heil” and the phrase “us the master race” in them? lol.
Poor lad, Northern Europe has any civilization at all thanks to the Romans, and this idiot pretends they created it all. No Romans, and The Cestrian would be busy doing this:
“In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished.”
Tacitus
“Almagro went on to say that the Uruguayan Executive is not pleased”
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And neither are the Uruguayo with this 'cheese eating surrender monkey' to plaigerise Bush.
You cannot negotiate with liars and those who NEVER pay their dues.
Forget the Argies, develop business eslewhere - it does not matter where: the Mercosur pact is dead, killed by Argentina and Brasil.
@10 Are you a child in a playground? Because let's face facts, you argue like one. You've started calling non-argentinians Nazis, which is hilarious because that is how everyone refers to argentinians, and have been doing since 1930s. Why would you try to project what you clearly are, which is a Le Camping Nazi Gimp, onto other people?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to be original for once in your mulleted goose-stepping life.
You are a nazi, a fool a liar and a nazi.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not my fault.
Lol look at the similarities between prewar Nazi Germany and current Argentina.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hitler Youth Movement - Le Camping
CFK trying to change constitution so she can stay in power - Hitler did similar.
Nazi Persiecuted Jews - Argentina Persiecute the islanders and native indians
Nazi Germany Implemented Protectionist, then expanded by invasion of other countries for their resources - Argentina implements protectionist, looks to expand into the falklands to get the oil.
Theres a lot more similarities such as your leader CFK being of german decent, any chance her father or mother were german nazi that escaped nazi germany after the war. Romours and evidence point to Hitler himself hiding in argentina after ww2 after faking his own death. Why does argentina want countrol of all the south atlantice islands and antartica, perhaps to regains control of Nazi bases or contact the advance Nazi that fly in UFOS as some compiracy theorist would have us all believe? Your now even planning on rebuilding your military too! Just like Germany did under hitler.
Seriously Argentina is the fouth riche and the world knows it and can see it coming. Only difference is, where much better prepared then we were before. And argentina is in the mist of economic implosion so i guess we don't have to worry, as your clearly destroying yourselves.
Why does Argentina want to control the Antarctic?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe because it is in our vicinity??? I know this is shocking to the Brits, but countries have the most influence in their immediate vicinity. Antarctica is in our immediate vicinity. The Brits can protest night and day about this and do their best to deny Argentina a place in the Antarctica with other nations, but your protestations in that area are irrevelant. We hold the leadership of the Antarctic Treaty.
10 Truth_Telling_Troll
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Roman empire/civilisation never extended to Northern Europe, despite several attempts they were never able to conquer the Germanic tribes (Ancestors of the Anglo Saxons), who later swept down and destroyed the Empire. All that was left was burnt out buildings.
If the Fenni had possessed piles of gold, fine wines and beautiful women, no doubt the good Tacitus would have slaughtered the old and the children, sent the men to the arena and enslaved the women.
As a survival strategy around Romans it clearly worked.
The Romans may have had a great civilization, but many of the things they did were not what today would be called civilised.
Every Roman invasion and subsequent conquest involved the slaughter of millions.
@ 15 Truth_Telling_Troll
Uruguay is in your more “immediate vicinity” you don’t own that!
Protestations are never “irrelevant”, when you already control the territory.
You do not control Antarctica, and we control the treaty. Falklands, and the other islands, of course, they are yours I won't dispute that.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Germans didn't destroy the Empire, the Empire destroyed the Empire for giving them too much power in the Roman military, since the Romans themselves had become too “good” and fat to be military men. The Germans didn't want to destroy the Empire, they wanted to live in it, to live like it, and to be defended by it from the Mongoloids pressing from the east.
Dear Truth_Telling_Troll (#15)
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Antarctic Treaty Secretariat was established in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 2004 by the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting.
The current Executive Secretary is Manfred Reinke (Germany), appointed for a four-year term (2009-2014).
Argentina does not hold the leadership of the Antarctic Treaty.
The world just locates its office in B.A..
Neither do you hold the leadership. Nor the offices. Shucks.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not sure what you mean by “control the treaty”. We do control the adjacent S Atlantic.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A deal over Antarctica including Argentina should be entirely possible, but will depend on S Atlantic issues being settled first. Or I cannot see talks even starting.
The pressure is on Argentina in this respect, as the British are more than positioned and capable to proceed anyway.
Either way Roman civilization did not take over Northern Europe, Northern Europeans took over Roman civilisation.
Anglo-Saxon economics at work!
@13 you just did the same thing again. Clearly you Le Camping black-shirts need a new recruitment policy, as you're not very clever.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you all comment on the quality of each member's mullet?
@20
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo-saxon economics used to be respected, I admit. But alas, we live in the present.
http://www.economonitor.com/nouriel/2009/02/09/roubini-anglo-saxon-model-has-failed/
And no doubt the Northern Europeans overran the Empire, for protection, wealth and to be “Roman”. That's exactly why Europe went backwards for 600 years after the 5th century.
It's not failed. It's still going.
Mar 31st, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you of this world? You don't seem very perceptive.
@15 'Why does Argentina want to control the Antarctic?
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe because it is in our vicinity??? '
With that logic its Chilean......and you lot should pack up your tents and foxtrot oscar back to your BA squats....
The Antartic Peninsula is on the Argentine side of the agreed chilean/argentine line south into the Piedra Buena Passage (there is no Drake Passage):
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drake_passage_en.png
#14 Rumours point in many directions of course. As for evidence, what? I'd genuinely be interested. Personally I don't think the Allies, or Israel, or the Jewish Nazi hunters like wiesenthal etc, would have just let such things go uninvestigated if at all credible. It would have been the trial of the century if he was caught, and who wouldn't want to have been the guy who shot him when he was “trying to escape” or “returning fire” lol
Mar 31st, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#24/25
Apr 01st, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Antarctic peninsular sector has the legal prior claim of ownership established by the United Kingdom.
Until the UK rescinds this claim, it is upheld through international law...... whatever is said or claimed by Argentina and Chile.
Sorry guys, this is just the way the world is.
@27 You think Argentina cares about international law? All they care about is war?
Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0War of the Antarctic, the clock is ticking.
Strange critisicism from the NAzi brits..talking about Argentina,when thousands of brits lives in Argentina....
Apr 01st, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0uk a country with 3 million unemployed and getting worse..with a foreign debt 0f 9 trillion P,and a public debt of 1 trillion P....Strange that they are critics....
GUHey brits,just concentrate in your Huge domestic problems!
@27
Apr 01st, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are out of your mind, well you are lying through your teeth. No one recognizes the UK Antarctic claim. Just like all others are not recognized. This is explicitly in the literature itself.
Sorry. And this time no self-determination or Chile as an ally.
Of the signatories to the Antarctic treaty, seven countries have territorial claims, of these five all recognise each others claims. The two claims not recognised by any other claimants are those of Chile and Argentina, neither of these two recognise the others claim, indeed they mostly overlap.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 The fact is, the UK touched down in the Antarctic a long time before the evil argentinians put their cloven-hooves down there.
Apr 01st, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, in Argentinian schools, when they're not hissing at each other with their forked tongues, they're typically learning about how Argentina should rule the world, including a fair swathe of the antarctic that they were pretty much the last people to arrive at.
More lebensraum for the mulleted gimps?
@30 Truth_Telling_Troll
Apr 01st, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Teeth, wot teeths that then, too poor for them hareabouts gov.
What is the point of even trying to negotiate with the Argies when everyone and their dog knows that they will just revoke any agreement when it no longer serves their own interests.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0No-one in their right mind ever trusts Argentina.
@25 TiT ”(there is no Drake Passage): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drake_passage_en.png”
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why did you post a link to the Drake Passage?? Nong..
It is an excellent time for Argentina to reveal a 2012 uruguay import substitution plan or better yet to build a wall like the one in USA and Mexico to keep people from going into or out of Argentina to uruguay.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bullying again?
Argentina doesn't need to bully anyone, Argentina just needs to meet uruguay's policy half way. There's no reason for uruguay to do all the work, Argentina is larger and we are capable of doing so faster then uruguay, so I think it's best for Argentina to take the first step and stop any traffic into and out of Uruguay from Argentina to make uruguay appresiate better their policy. Without this steps Uruguay will never see the benefits of their politics.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, guys ....... what's so wrong about an 'import substitution plan'?
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most countries would do this.
The only issue is Argentina's way of mis-managing the process.
38 Pirat-Hunter
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are correct: stop all trade with Argentina.
Then, we in Uruguay will be 75M USD BETTER OFF. Because that is the balance of payments deficit in favour of Argentina. We can buy the crap we used to buy off you elsewhere but hopefully it won't be crap.
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