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Gibraltar/Algeciras agree to cross-border cooperation in matters of shared interests
Gibraltar Chief Minister Fabian Picardo and Mayor of Spain’s Algeciras Jose Ignacio Landaluce have both separately highlighted the importance of cross-border cooperation and co-existence, in dealing with the complex issues related to Spanish fishing activity in Gibraltar waters. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSee, Spain don't seem to have any trouble understanding that the only way to trump the self-determination problem is to cooperate with your neighbours and show them that you aren't such a bad bunch after all.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a shame Argentina doesn't see the same truth and understand that the only way on earth that they will ever get their greasy nabs on the Falklands is by showing the islanders that being a part of Argentina would be pretty cool ... instead of pursuing the current policy of the Kirchner government, which seems to be specifically designed to prove to the entire world that Argentinians are all a bunch of two-faced duplicitous b******* who can't be trusted with anything.
A lot can happen when people respect each others differences and get along nicely.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Exactly what I was about to type :)
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just contrast this, and the civilised meeting and subsequent press conference when Rajoy met Cameron, with the venom and bile coming out of BA.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Normal relantionships fine might Get somewhere.
My Spanish relatives describe politicians they approve of as being “una persona seria” - “a serious person”. This quality seems to denote a certain gravitas, a measured and reasonable approach, an absence of hysteria and so on. Unforetunately, these do not seem to be qualities which the Argentinian people require of their politicians.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Landaluce is a politician, not particularly subtle. This is what he said just a year ago.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=393284374024897&set=vb.107399552659465&type=2&theater
@7 Asdrúbal el Bello
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You miss the point that there is nothing wrong with him believing that Gibraltar should be Spanish - just as there is nothing wrong with any Argentinian believing that the Falklands should be Argentinian, or even you believing that the world is a blueberry pancake - it is what you do with that belief and how you allow it to poison you and your dealings that matters.
Landaluce has chosen pragmatism. Argentina (as a country) constantly chooses confrontation and aggression.
Today, Landaluce recognize the jurisdiction of Gibraltar on this water. Landaluce has chosen to betray their ideas to search what he believe personal political benefit. My nation is a country cowardly and pusillanimous, willing to accept any abuse for approval. Today it is reported that snuff smuggling from Gibraltar to Spain costing several hundred million annually to Spanish Treasury. Two days ago a national newspaper (El País) advocated allowing smuggling “because it created a few hundred illegal jobs.” While Gibraltar is enriched. This embarrasses me as Spanish. But I don´t admit that it be used precisely in these days against Argentina, it has shown courage and determination. Honor y gloria a los caídos.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Asdrúbal el Bello
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You conveniently overlook the fact that this so-called smuggling was done by Spanish citizens and with Spanish customs officials turning a blind eye to an operation that they are a part of. You would have to be pretty sick in the head to blame Gibraltar for that ... unless you would care to point out some hitherto unknown international law that places the burden of duty on a country to prevent people from exporting goods / ensure that people pay duty to a neighbouring country.
Perhaps you are just too blinded by that childish nationalism of yours to understand that Gibraltar can't be blamed for corrupt Spanish officials not doing their job.
That said, given the rate of unemployment in Hacienda and Spain, there is a lot to be said for the El País case, because the relief to the Spanish tax payer is actually far more than the moneys lost through unpaid tobacco duty.
If the Spanish continue with the diplomatic mambo jambo they will be the big losers. They have given TOO MUCH to the British.Isn´t loosing Gibraltar the biggest sacrifice? why shake the hands of these Gibraltans who want nothing to do with Spain? During the Yellow fever outbreak of 1815 the British requested from Spain to let them use the NEUTRAL LANDS so that they could erect hospitals for the sick and dying.What did The UK do after?? simple they occupied the NEUTRAL LANDS and extended the territory!! During the Spanish Civil war they built the airport on this territory knowing that Spain wasn´t able to do anything about it!! And guess who put up the current border post? YEP!! the UK.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why I say it is USELESS speaking with with this lot.
@11 Are you an idiot? They didn't have to build an airport. You know how much an airport costs to build and someone builds one conveniently next door to your city at no cost to yourself on land that was treated as neutral? It's not as if anything untoward is going to happen at an airport.
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like seriously? Are you an imbecile?
@9 I can agree with you. Spain “is a country cowardly and pusillanimous”. No problem with that. Recollecting that Gibraltar was ceded to Britain in perpetuity in 1713. A date on which there was no internationally-recognised acceptance of “territorial waters”. The Treaty of Utrecht does not mention Gibraltar territorial waters. Nor does it mention Spanish territorial waters. Gibraltar “gained” territorial waters at the same time as every other country in existence. STAY OUT OF BGT waters!
Apr 02nd, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 A very valid comment from a drunken, criminal convict.
@13 The Spaniards cowards?? LOL. They couldn´t be more loyal! and brave!!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0They even let your famous Nelson lose after giving him a beating
and destroying his arm. Did the Spaniards take revenge and kill every British servicemen? NO!! The british were let free with full military honors!! THAT IS BRAVERY AND LOYALTY ON THE SPANISH SIDE.
Here is another history lesson. The Battle Of Cartagena De Indias where
in 1741 Spanish Admiral Don Blas De Lezo with only 4,000 military personnel sunk 50 British ships with a loss of 27,400 British military personnel.( didn´t teach you that one in school?? did they?) The Spanish cowards?? Couldn´t be braver!!
Brave Spain? The same cowardly Spain that, although claiming non-belligerent status, publicly expressed sympathy with World War II's axis powers and provided massive material, economic, and military assistance to Hitler and the Nazis ... a status that puts them in a very small and unique club with the Argentinian cowards.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0That said, at least the Spanish have had the decency to put their fascist past behind them. The Argentinians on the other hand still continue their long fascist tradition under Christina K.
@15 what economic, massive material and military assistance???
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0A country that was totally destroyed in its civil war couldn´t even feed its own people!!?? and on top of that there was a UN ban on any help, not like the other countries that received THE MARSHALL PLAN.
AHH!! it is curious that the only country that sent food assistance to Spain in the form of grain to feed Millions of Spanish who were starving to death was ARGENTINA. A fact that is seared in every Spanish heart and which can never be forgotten.
Speaking about Nazis. Did you know that it was a BRITISH MILITARY flight that flew the dictator Franco from Africa to spain for the coup de tat?? what was Britains role?? and why did western powers not topple The Spanish Dictatorship at the end of WWII??? why was he kept in power when they could have easily ended his regime?? too many unanswered questions..was it because in the end Franco actually helped the Americans and British?? Because it makes no sense that Franco was allowed to continue to govern!!
@16 aussie sunshine
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing more comical than an angry Spaniard .. almost as funny as their fascist Argentinian cousins :)
@17 ohhh I forgot to tell you more about Spanish valor.Franco sent THE BLUE DIVISION volunteers to fight only the communists and not the Western allies.This is what Hitler said about the volunteers:
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ They are equal to the best German troops. The Spaniards have never yielded an inch of ground.One can´t imagine more fearless fellows. They scarcely take cover.They flout death. I know in any case that our own men are always glad to have Spaniards as neighbours in their sector.”
He was refering to the Spaniards who held their ground in the Battle Of
Krainey Bor.The Spaniards held their ground against a soviet force seven times larger and supported by tanks.
When the German generals wanted to invade Spain, Hitler turned round and said“ The Spaniards are the only tough Latins. I would have a guerilla war in my rear”. So don´t come on this forum talking sh**** and calling these people cowards.
Oh by the way I am not Spanish but married to one!!
@18 aussie sunshine
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and you claimed that Spain was broke, but your forgot about the multi-million £ bribes they accepted not to join the war on German's side?
I really don't care what your relationship is to the Spanish cowards when you are busy pimping revisionist propagandist drivel. Whether you are Spanish or simply have the incredibly poor judgement to marry one is of little importance.
uffff!! I think my sheep dog has more intel than you!!
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 aussie sunshine
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your sheepdog must be massively more intelligent than you then ;)
Well, argentine sunshine, you are a mine of information.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0All very interesting.
But you're still not an Aussie.
lf its any consolation, l don't think the Spaniards are cowards.
Spain, however did aid the Axis in WWII.
You are wrong that it was a British military flight that brought Franco from Africa.
The UK & France stayed neutral in the Spanish Civil War, although we had idealistic volunteers on the Republican side.
No need to get upset, argie.
Just drop your ridiculous claims to the Falklands & British territory,
stop teaching your children lies about us, be a good neighbour & we can all be friends again.
Thats not really too much to ask, is it argie?
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