Tens of cargo ships are delayed in Argentina because a grain-bulk carrier has grounded in the Parana River, 150 kilometres south of the city of Rosario, which is the country’s grains and oil seeds hub. Read full article
Haloo Marcos Alejandro,
You were crowing a while back about our submarine that was beached off the Scottish coast!
And......................?
Didn't cause as much trouble as this one! ho ho ho♥
And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
Argentina has brought this on itself. How many times has Uruguay urged the dredging of the Pirana and the other waterways.
As usual, the deluded Argies jumped all over me when I pointed out that the Panamax and bigger vessels coming very shortly from the much deepened Panama Canal would not be able to get DOWN when they were loaded.
So I have only two things to say:
1) I told you so, and
2) Ha, ha, ha.
Given that it wasn't a sweeping racist or homophobic comment - it was a specific reference to the dockers who boycott ships and put lives in danger - I regret to have to disappoint you and inform you that I haven't yet sunk to your depth.
C'mon Skåre, how does a linesmen's strike put seamen's lives at danger??...... it sounded very much like a sweeping 'put the boot into the RG's ' sort of a statement to me......
And with all due respect, wtf does Uruguay have to do with the Parana? It's one thing to think the Uruguay River is yours entirely without consultation over practices on the river (interesting the Brits here insist Argentina and UK should cooperate on the Atlantic waters, but Uruguay should not cooperate with the Uruguay River system)...
But the Parana? It's hundreds of miles within Argentine territory. Sorry, no say.
It is about the lack of modern, high capacity DREDGERS.
Got it now? Argentina do not have any modern dredgers that I can find.
The 'joint project' on the Uruguay (which is systematically stalled by Argentina) should have had new dredgers available by now but has not due to you know who.
@7 How unfortunate that you only have a passing acquaintance with the English language. Still, it's not yours, is it? Only a B- mark I'm afraid!
@9 According to the limited research I've been able to do, the Rio Parana and its tributaries creates a massive watershed that spreads throughout much of the south central part of the continent. If the Uruguay River is counted as a tributary, the watershed encompasses all of Paraguay, much of Southern Brazil, northern argieland, much of Uruguay and even reaching into Bolivia. As such it must be a realistic concern for each of the countries it feeds. Is this a case of argies displaying no concern for anyone but themselves? As the river appears to have a total length of 3,032 miles, surely it's not too much trouble for argieland to take proper care of its 1,111 miles, for the benefit of all?
Maybe there is no budget for such a pharaonic project. I have never heard of any nation dredging over 1,000 miles of river. It would be simpler just to artificially channel the river or dam it to remove the silt, as it has been done in other countries. But that has proven long term to be devastating for the environment (look at the Yangtze River in China and the environmental disaster there due to the massive dam, or the Missisippi River in the United States which has destroyed most of the southern wetlands and whose lack of silt causes massive flooding regularly).
Maybe if you guys dropped your argie vitriol, which makes you hang on to every little solitary story as loose ammunition to fire away, you would think this scenario of river management thru (specially a major river draining into a temperate zone from a massive tropical interior land in Paraguay and Brazil).
@19 tobias,
l used to once regard Argentina as l would any other country.
lts got good & bad people & its got good & bad things happening.
But after seeing what Argentina is trying to do with the Falklands & seeing how the majority of Argentines regard the Falklands & its people, l have nothing but contempt for Argentina & its people.
l wish you all the ill in the world & you will get no sympathy from me when you come a gutser.
You've brought it all on yourselves with your ridiculous malvinas obsessions.
Well, it will not be cheap, but what is the alternative? Keep losing money by having exports held up - perhaps to the point where a ship becomes so stuck that salvage companies have to be sought?
When you consider the actually flow rates in the channel, damming the river is a non-starter, nevermind the huge disruption to river traffic and loss of revenues.
Modern dredgers are very efficient and do not disrupt the traffice on the river / estuary. The can be hired for a particular job if capital is tight. Just clearing local problems would be a step in the right direction.
The real problem though is political will, or the lack of it. Not very 'sexy' or attractive to the gullible masses the announce a 'dredging project' is it?
Perhaps someone could have another word with CFK to release some of the missing 2.1BUSD that FatBoy and La Camping must have squirelled away from the Flag Carrier fiasco?
Dredging a river is prohibitive and a waste of money on the Parana. It will sediment again the next spring being a river of tropical origin. Countries either dam rivers or simply build channels that are much easier to maintenance, and both are more permament solutions.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAh well, that saves the sad twisted f&%$ers the effort of boycotting any British vessels for a while ;)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it keeps the british out and any ship from going to Malvinas we can live without trading soy and if the economy goes bad we can always eat the soy.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haloo Marcos Alejandro,
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You were crowing a while back about our submarine that was beached off the Scottish coast!
And......................?
Didn't cause as much trouble as this one! ho ho ho♥
And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
@1 Oh dear. Does that comment make you some variety of homophobic pond life?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has brought this on itself. How many times has Uruguay urged the dredging of the Pirana and the other waterways.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual, the deluded Argies jumped all over me when I pointed out that the Panamax and bigger vessels coming very shortly from the much deepened Panama Canal would not be able to get DOWN when they were loaded.
So I have only two things to say:
1) I told you so, and
2) Ha, ha, ha.
@5 Conqueror
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given that it wasn't a sweeping racist or homophobic comment - it was a specific reference to the dockers who boycott ships and put lives in danger - I regret to have to disappoint you and inform you that I haven't yet sunk to your depth.
Better luck next time, tw@t
C'mon Skåre, how does a linesmen's strike put seamen's lives at danger??...... it sounded very much like a sweeping 'put the boot into the RG's ' sort of a statement to me......
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And with all due respect, wtf does Uruguay have to do with the Parana? It's one thing to think the Uruguay River is yours entirely without consultation over practices on the river (interesting the Brits here insist Argentina and UK should cooperate on the Atlantic waters, but Uruguay should not cooperate with the Uruguay River system)...
But the Parana? It's hundreds of miles within Argentine territory. Sorry, no say.
9 tobias. Look up weather weirding proberly explain the drought in barzil.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought Cornish was extinct as a language. Though I understood a fair bit of that.
lol :) weather weirding, look it up its shinnie new science
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone has been watching BBC Horizon ;)
9 tobias
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is about the lack of modern, high capacity DREDGERS.
Got it now? Argentina do not have any modern dredgers that I can find.
The 'joint project' on the Uruguay (which is systematically stalled by Argentina) should have had new dredgers available by now but has not due to you know who.
Horizon is a awesome sourse of Knowledge! >_< wish their'd make america's watch it (US ones).
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Frank
Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you are an expert at making sweeping 'put the boot into the RG's ' sort of a statement doesn't mean that the rest of us are it.
@7 How unfortunate that you only have a passing acquaintance with the English language. Still, it's not yours, is it? Only a B- mark I'm afraid!
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 According to the limited research I've been able to do, the Rio Parana and its tributaries creates a massive watershed that spreads throughout much of the south central part of the continent. If the Uruguay River is counted as a tributary, the watershed encompasses all of Paraguay, much of Southern Brazil, northern argieland, much of Uruguay and even reaching into Bolivia. As such it must be a realistic concern for each of the countries it feeds. Is this a case of argies displaying no concern for anyone but themselves? As the river appears to have a total length of 3,032 miles, surely it's not too much trouble for argieland to take proper care of its 1,111 miles, for the benefit of all?
Argentines do something for someone else? Are you mad?
Apr 08th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17&18
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe there is no budget for such a pharaonic project. I have never heard of any nation dredging over 1,000 miles of river. It would be simpler just to artificially channel the river or dam it to remove the silt, as it has been done in other countries. But that has proven long term to be devastating for the environment (look at the Yangtze River in China and the environmental disaster there due to the massive dam, or the Missisippi River in the United States which has destroyed most of the southern wetlands and whose lack of silt causes massive flooding regularly).
Maybe if you guys dropped your argie vitriol, which makes you hang on to every little solitary story as loose ammunition to fire away, you would think this scenario of river management thru (specially a major river draining into a temperate zone from a massive tropical interior land in Paraguay and Brazil).
@19 tobias,
Apr 09th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0l used to once regard Argentina as l would any other country.
lts got good & bad people & its got good & bad things happening.
But after seeing what Argentina is trying to do with the Falklands & seeing how the majority of Argentines regard the Falklands & its people, l have nothing but contempt for Argentina & its people.
l wish you all the ill in the world & you will get no sympathy from me when you come a gutser.
You've brought it all on yourselves with your ridiculous malvinas obsessions.
19 tobias
Apr 09th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, it will not be cheap, but what is the alternative? Keep losing money by having exports held up - perhaps to the point where a ship becomes so stuck that salvage companies have to be sought?
When you consider the actually flow rates in the channel, damming the river is a non-starter, nevermind the huge disruption to river traffic and loss of revenues.
Modern dredgers are very efficient and do not disrupt the traffice on the river / estuary. The can be hired for a particular job if capital is tight. Just clearing local problems would be a step in the right direction.
The real problem though is political will, or the lack of it. Not very 'sexy' or attractive to the gullible masses the announce a 'dredging project' is it?
Perhaps someone could have another word with CFK to release some of the missing 2.1BUSD that FatBoy and La Camping must have squirelled away from the Flag Carrier fiasco?
Dredging a river is prohibitive and a waste of money on the Parana. It will sediment again the next spring being a river of tropical origin. Countries either dam rivers or simply build channels that are much easier to maintenance, and both are more permament solutions.
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