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Argentina’s Prosecutor General resigns, looses first round to Vice-president Boudou
Argentina’s Prosecutor-general Esteban Righi officially resigned to his post on Tuesday, following Vice-President Amado Boudou’s decision to press charges against the prosecutor leading the investigation into the politician's role in the Ciccone currency printing company investigation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLoose: free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lose: to come to be without (something in one's possession or care), through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery: I'm sure I've merely misplaced my hat, not lost it.
It's easy to remember because the past tense of “lose” is “lost”. One “o”. Is it really so hard?!
All of these are loose men !
Apr 11th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0More personal fixings to displace cracks in the CFK plaster - there's only so much facial cream which can be used, because when it dries it cracks up!
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, Righi resigns over a corruption case concerning the Vice-President. The person to take his place will then the appointed by the Government and ratified by the Government controlled Senate and all this in a case that the government wants to see disappear. Can anyone explain to me, Argentinean or not (but preferably Argentinean (and not you British Kirchnerist as you keep on talking about Cristina being a queen so you're probably not the sharpest tool in teh box)), how this represents a sensible separation of powers. As I've said before, I am all for Cristina's social agenda but I am becoming increasingly disillusioned with other facets of this regime.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0On a different note Boudou said:
“Adelmo Gabbi, asked for an appointment with me on March 3, to express his concerns about a destroying campaign that Boldt’s head Tabanelli was going to pull on me, but that I could avoid it in case of offering a sum. We met again on March 11, and I told him that I did not want to listen to him anymore, and that I was not going to pay any money.”
So, he is the Vice-President and subject of a corruption case and it took him 8 days to decide not to take a kick-back. Why did he need so long to decide that he “did not want to listen to him anymore” when his first reaction should have been to reject this overture.
@ 4 I think Boudou was being asked to pay up. Still it took him a long time to decide what his morals are; probably the time he needed to destroy evidence and cover his tracks. (Not that he has been found guilty of anything;yet).
Apr 11th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0BK has never even been to Argentina. He/she said that.
I wonder if the next “elections” will be postponed? The USA is very concerned that Argentina is becoming a dictatorship. it is too bad she is a stupid dictator like Chavez intent on lining her pockets and ruining the country. Oh well, it's sad but who really cares?
Apr 11th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Doubtful if you'll be able to persuade South Americans, particularly the all-knowing argies“, to use OUR language properly. For some reason, even if they get close, they use the ”bastard” version developed by the uneducated population between Canada and Mexico.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a coincidence, Daniel Reposo happened to be selected by Boudou, as they are very close. Then, she made the announcement as her choice to replace Righi.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(4) Welsh Wizard
Apr 11th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
”Can anyone explain to me, Argentinean or not (but preferably Argentinean), how this represents a sensible separation of powers)”
I say:
Let’s first ask ourselves……...: What is a Prosecutor-General?
- The same as an Attorney-General….......
And………. : What is a Attorney-General?
- In most common law jurisdictions, the Attorney-General, is the main legal advisor to the government........
And………: Who designates an Attorney -General?
- Although a government may designate some official as the permanent attorney general, anyone who comes to represent the state in the same way is referred to as such….....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_general
In short…............... :
An Attorney-General is an employee og the A-D-M-I-N-I-S-T-R-A-T-I-V-E power of a Country, designated by the A-D-M-I-N-I-S-T-R-A-T-I-V-E power of said country to represent the A-D-M-I-N-I-S-T-R-A-T-I-V-E power of said country before the J-U-D-I-C-I-A-L power of said country.
Where do you see a problem with the “Separation of Powers”?
If I may ask..........?
About Mr Boudou you write:
“Adelmo Gabbi, asked for an appointment with me on March 3……
We met again on March 11…. and I told him that I did not want to listen to him anymore….
So, he is the Vice-President and subject of a corruption case and it took him 8 days to decide not to take a kick-back”
I say:
1) Both meetings were held on Mr. Gabbi’s request.
2) The meetings were held the 3th and 11th of March 2011, Mr. Bodou was N-O-T Vice-President then.
3) First time, Mr. Gabbi was send away politely… Second time, much less so...... Politics is a dirty business.
Ask your PM, Mr. Cameron about that....(If you can pay your way into one of his “Candlelight Dinners”)
9 I don't Think
Apr 11th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you know I do not usually respond to any of your twisted versions of every event you decide to post on.
However, even I have to admire your Turnip headed knowledge of the long-haired Bow-Wow VP character.
So he was not the VP when it took him several days (and nights) to decide he did not want to take money, or pay money, depending on your point of view?
Well, 'I don't Think', do you think that is OK then, because I certainly don't think that.
Another thought, 'I don't Think', what do you think should happen to the bunch of crooks running your country for their sole benefit?
There are some of the posters on here who think 'I don't Think' must be paid by the 'government' to think what he thinks: but rest assured 'I don't Think', I don't think that myself. :o)
@10 It is my considered opinion that Think works for the Argentinian Government and, from the varied timing of his many inputs, that he is on some sort of a rolling shift system. To be fair, he does seem to earn his probably meagre salary which I earnestly hope is paid in $ in a foreign bank account somewhere.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome back Cmd McDod
Apr 11th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Had a nice Easter brake?
Told you before, I'm just a sensible and humble private Argentinean citizen who hates to see his Country being robbed and with some time to spare.
Exactly the type the Kelpers detest.
They much prefer the aggressive turnipy uniformed type.
By the way, just for your info, the $ simbol in Argentina stands for Argentinean Pesos.
For dollars we use U$D or U$S............
@12 Thank you and thanks too for the info on the usage of $, which will be really useful if ever I return to Argentina.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back now from a splendid Easter spent with the eldest of the McDoD boys and his family. Happily for us, the only brake Mrs McDoD and I experienced was on the Land Rover whilst travelling the considerable distance there and back. We're now comfortably ensconced again in our large Turnip in the country, bought with some of the many £s made on the sale of my RKH shares last year.
As you may have guessed, I too have time to spare having finally put away both my uniform and my aggression so as better to concentrate on cultivating my very own vegetable patch. And watching developments down south, of course, though I don't suffer from insomnia like you clearly do.
So, bring on those stimulating 24 hours in a day Think-pieces -sometimes, rarely, you are right!
Easter break, of course...
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Ingrish very bad Cmd Sahib......
Please don't hit me :-)
Cmd...
This is quite private ...
So please don't tell anybody.....
At our age there is something called prostate ;-))
Ah, Slack-Bladder -why didn't you say. I'm very much an eight hour a night man so I'll wish you a very good, if short, good night.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 Think
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a senior constitutional lawyer in a common law jurisdiction and am well aware of the job of the attorney-general. The point about separation of powers relates to the ability of the AG to do the job required of that office without fear of counter-measure from the people who are being investigated. Thus, the only way the job can be done is if the AG knows that, until the investigation is finished, he or she will not be subject to censure by the government of any kind. In this case the AG was not able to do the job required and has effectively been hounded from office. In such a case as this I fail to see the difference between the government getting rid of the head of an agency reporting statistics if they don't like their findings or getting rid of an independent central bank governor with whom they have an disagreement or even getting rid of a judge who, after judicial review, finds against the government. This last example is probably the most pertinent as it pertains to the concept of the rule of law. In this case, any common law jurisdiction would say that the AG is carrying out a function, required by the government, and to interfere with that function, once requested, is to fundamentally repudiate the concept of the rule of law. Of course, it is possible to fire an AG after they have reached their findings and have been proved, by separate inquiry, to be negligent, thus breaking their fiduciary duty to the state.
With regards to the 8 day point, the vast majority of politicians would whistle blow straight away as not to would be interpreted as a possible acceptance of terms by failure of act (from a political level). Also, you don't need to write in capitals, as it only makes you look foolish and reactionary especially when you aren't an expert and you're trying to explain something to someone who is.
(16) Welsh Wizzard
Apr 11th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wooow.....
That was a lot of fancy “Lawyers Talk”
Still....., your original question was:
”Can anyone explain how this represents a sensible separation of powers”
I “Think” I explained quite clearly that it is no “separation of powers” conflict here.
If you feel offended because the procedures in Argentina don’t fully follow and embrace your “High British Standards”..................
Well………………..
That’s your prerogative, lad.
And about your “eight day point”.
Climb down from your Ivory tower!
I’m more than pleased that my Vice-Presidents send the bastard away…….. twice…
17 Think
Apr 11th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not fancy lawyers talk generally just common sense which you could probably find on wikipedia. Also, you mentioned common law jurisdictions so I thought it best to clarify how it should work in a common law jurisdiction (by the way, Argentina runs a civil law jurisdiction but being Argentinean you would probably know that). By not embracing normal standards you leave it open to manipulation which what seems to have happened here. My point being that if any of this is going to work you can't just hound people from office whilst they are trying to get to the bottom of a possible corruption scandal, especially if that scandal relates to the highest echelons of office.
18 Welsh Wizard
Apr 12th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 01) I wonder why, you being a ”senior constitutional lawyer in common law jurisdiction” started your question at (4) saying….:
“The person to take his place will then the appointed by the Government and ratified by the Government controlled Senate…..”
Nothing odious or wrong about the above, just normal procedure as you surely know (or should know)…..
But, in the context, MercoPress (and you) manage to make it sound very, very wrong.
It isn’t.........
2) The general “point” at your comment (18) is, of course, logical, correct and shared but…............
Let us remember that Mr Righi, a very powerful man and political operator, resigned in just under a day.
Seems to be that the evidence material against his wife and wife’s lawyer firm is quite overwhelming.
An impossible ”conflict of interests” to continue ”any” kind of work as prosecutor.
Such a situation would have inhabilitated him anywhere, even in the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
As I see the case, Bodou will come out of this case strengthened.
Let's wait and see......
19 Think
Apr 12th, 2012 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0To answer you points:
1) This is a standard phrase used in English to describe which party has the most votes in any relevant house, we do the same for the US congress/senate, it merely points to who, at any given time, can normally count on having the most votes.
2) I am generally unaware of this evidence but lets go for innocent until proven guilty as otherwise you'll start to slip from civil into Napoleonic code.
General point (and this is meant kindly and I would say the same to any of my Argentinean friends). Your English is very good but, when trying to win an argument/get your point over, you don't need to be so chippy. All it achieves is to antagonise others and it detracts from your argument. To instantly go on the attack does you no favours (especially using capitals like you did). It's a shame as I am married to an Argentinean and have great respect of the social transformation occurring in Argentina at the moment but that is eroded every time I get an aggressive answer back from a supporter of Cristina. You guys won the election with an overwhelming landslide but you react to every question as if it is an attack, it isn't. Questions are there to make sure that the operation of government is undertaken in good faith. They act as checks and balances which, in any democracy, are fundamental to ensuring that the democracy is properly operational and accountable.
19 Think:
Apr 12th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your point 2:
Could it be that Mr. Rhigi decided that the ethical thing to do was to resign after being accused of a very serious crime? As you say we must wait and see.
#4 Its nice to be namechecked on a thread I'd not yet taken part in! I won't answer your legal questions as I believe Think has done so brilliantly, and anyway you don't want me to! In case you hadn't noticed I don't actually believe Cristina to be a Queen, I just call her my Queen as a sign of respect for an inspirational leader and to annoy the british hyper-patriots on here. That may just be a difference between your form of politics and mine, that I am more fulsome and poetic in my discourse, and I'm sure there are advantages to the way you do things too. Where I'm much more sure I'm right and your wrong though is when you keep saying you support Cristina's progressive programme, yet don't seem to understand there will be pushback from those who don't, and that this will be at the heart of many political “scandals” at this difficult juncture. If it turns out that Boudou is guilty then yes he should be punished, but on the balance of probabilities it seems more likely to me that he's being falsely accused; the bankers must particularly hate him after all, he was one of them and then defected to be a leftist finance minister and now VP in a left moving government!
Apr 12th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 British_Kirchnerist
Apr 12th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that. I understand the pushback, of course people aren't going to just take it, that is fair enough. It is just something i've noticed on these boards and also back in Argentina when talking to friends and family that unless you are 100% in favour then you are against. I use the example of inflation as one of my family refused to believe that inflation existed above government levels. I should him various reciepts of similar items when I had been there each year over the past five years and it showed over the (roughly) a 20-25% increase year on year. I was then accused of being anti gvernment and one of them. That's the only point really as I feel that this nature of discourse does more damage than good when trying to fight for a cause, especially when it is easier to explain to someone why there is a difference in the figures.
(20) Welsh Wizard
Apr 12th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely apologize for my chirpiness.
At least I wasn’t crabby, cranky or, god forbid, crusty.
Not a pretty sight, not pretty at all, I can assure you…….:-)
Maybe it is time for you to be a bit introspective too……..........
Try to read your post No. 4 again, this time with your “Argie” glasses on.
What do you see?
Do you see anything?
Perhaps your (surely lovely) “Argie” missus could give you a clue?
Saludos cordiales
El Think, Chubut, Argentina
@24 You know he said chippy as in “Chip on the Shoulder”. No one, not even your greatest fan, other than yourself would call you chirpy although you might get some objective votes for crabby, cranky and crusty.
Apr 12th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Adm DoD, Kent, UK
@25 I thought he said chippy as in “touchy and irritable......
Apr 12th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example: I thought he was hostile”
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chippy
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