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Falklands veteran Royal Marine and yomper, feels Falklands are well defended

Saturday, April 14th 2012 - 06:21 UTC
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Retired Royal Marine Brigadier Ian Gardiner, who commanded a Marine company in the 1982 Falklands war, thinks a new Argentine attack on the Islands is unlikely. Read full article

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  • TipsyThink

    Gardiner served in Northern Ireland ?
    then,the Islanders should forget the self determination rights.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishguyfromLondon

    Why? The Northern Irish want to be part of Britain as well. You really are a stupid brainwashed idiot. Even if they didn't, I fail to see what that has to do with the Falklands. If the Northern Irish really wanted independence then we would give it to them. The only reason we fought there against the IRA was because the Northern Irish wanted us to. Go learn some history you fool.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Really? The majority of the PEOPLE of Northern Ireland wanted to remain BRITISH despite all the efforts of Gaddafi-backed thugs. Vicious attacks were carried out with Gaddafi-provided equipment, not only in Northern Ireland but in mainland Britain as well. So the RIGHT to self-determination won again. And, incidentally, proving that we Brits can take it as well as hand it out. An ability not shared by argies. But in the end, we win. A fact argies should bear in mind.

    It would also probably be wise to consider the capabilities of any nation that you think you can needle.

    I'm sure the late Osama bin Laden felt sure that the Americans would never dare enter Pakistan to get him. But they did! I'm equally sure that the late Muammar Gaddafi thought that, with his extensive and well-armed forces, he could vilify his own people and some relatively nearby nations. See where that got him!

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Argentina does not have a credible military capacity.

    Timmidman however is encouraging OTHER LatAm countries to go and fight for the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) ON THEIR BEHALF!

    Cheeky bastard or what?

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @4 - ChrisR.

    Yes the Argentinians will no doubt fight to the last drop of blood from all of their neighbours and so called allies .

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    1 TipsyThink--- Where you born brain dead or do you practice each at being idiotic moron? Northern Ireland has determined that it wants to remain part of Britain that's why we defended the people our people no one else's ours from psychopathic thugs. You see that's what we do when psychopathic thugs think that they influence the ballot box by bombing and killing innocent citizens.

    Would you like a little hep in ridding your country from your psychopathic thugs that have ruined your country? Just say the word and we will help after all we are not too far away and we have outstanding technology in the form of warships and a few good men in uniform who would love to help in your liberation, all you have to do is say the word and the good guys will be there helping you.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @6

    Actually, I would wish the Falklanders be left alone by our government, so that we can be left alone by the UK. We don't want any relations with you, why keep forcing it down our throat? It's not succeeding.

    You have the right to the Falklands and I support it. You do not have the rights to diplomatic relations or any relations with us. So I don't get why you guys cry a river when we ban British ships from our territory. Where is your standing for self-determination then?

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishguyfromLondon

    @7 Tobias, we don't want to sever diplomatic relations with you. We want to build a constructive and good-natured relationship with Argentina. We were willing to co-operate with you on oil drilling at the turn of the millennium, and it was all going so well until your stupid government tore the agreement up for no apparent reason. All of the animosity is caused by the actions of your government. The Falklanders want to be British. They are going to remain British. Nothing Argentina does or says is going to change that. Things are going to stay as they are. Accept it and move on so our two great countries can be friends once more.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    It's impressive when you think of what they did. Marching across 60 miles of some of the world harshest terrain, carrying everything they needed to live and fight. Then at the end of it assaulting prepared enemy positions and capturing them. I do not think there were many contemporary armies that could have done the same. Certainly not the US with their heavy reliance on air movements.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @8

    We would want to have relations with the UK, EU and US, but we are tired of the hypocrisy. Not on the Falklnads issue, but mainly in trade. Stop protecting and subsidizing your industries and your farms, stop bruiting about you are for democracy but then support dictators that do your bidding. That would be a great start.

    Argentina's problems mainly only affect Argentina. I wish nothing more for people here to understand they should just allow the Falklands to be what they want to be for the indefinite future, but even if that issue was off the table, Argentines simply do not trust the current world system. We would rather go it alone which is why you see the surprising support for some of the isolationist policies.

    In the 90s we were told that opening up to the world would bring prosperity. What happened was European and US companies bought argentine companies at a discount and sack them. In fact many closed down and were moved to Brazil becuase their salaries are lower and nothing could be done because they had been privatized.

    The capitalist system lost an entire generation in this country because of what happened in the late 9os which the closing of so many factories.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    7 tobias—Thanks for the support. However, remember that it’s your Government that won’t let the matter drop. I am sure we can develop good relations but only if you’re Government stops its silly mind games.

    As for crying rivers when you ban British ships from your territory that is your right if, you want to cut your nose of to spite your face and lose much needed revenue that's your choice. When you try to persuade other countries to ban British ships then what do you expect a nice sit down with tea and biscuits and a good old chitchat talking of a bygone era.

    I am afraid it doesn't work like that light that blue paper and you sometimes have a job putting it out so don't expect nothing less than a full blown argument between two countries that Britain won’t back down on .

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I don't approve of other countries banning British ships. However it is Argentina's to ask for the support, if others join, well it's their decision. Britain has the right to respond, of course. That's the name of the game.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    tut tut,
    And all because the British just want to be your friend.

    No matter how much you insult us, abuse us, and threaten us,
    We just want to be friendly and be your friend,
    Says Mr Cameron.
    Please take note .

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    l agree with tobias.
    They don't need us & we don't need them.
    Lets continue on that path.
    Our future oil tankers will be able to deliver to anywhere on earth, bypassing Argentina altogether.
    Their loss.
    Future airlinks could go over the pole to Australia & New Zealand.
    Or to South Africa.
    Let the Argentines stew in their own juices.

    Apr 14th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    14 lsolde--- Well they have had every chance to be good friends with everyone how many chances does one give to people or a nation like Argentine if they can’t prosper that's no else fault, no matter what they say other countries prosper.

    And on that point I would take a look at what 10 tobias wrote

    In the 90s we were told that opening up to the world would bring prosperity. What happened was European and US companies bought argentine companies at a discount and sack them. In fact many closed down and were moved to Brazil becuase their salaries are lower and nothing could be done because they had been privatized.

    He and Argentina has to realise that when you open up your country to bring in prosperity thus is what will happen, they are not alone in the World for this to happen this has happened even to us factories have had to close down because it’s cheaper to have the products made in countries such as in Asia. The trick Tobias is to rise above it all and to elect Governments that have your interests at heart and not soly their interests. Who let your Argentine company's be privatised, who gave the go ahead for them to brought without safe guards to protect the interests of the Argentine people. You will find it was no one’s fault but the ones in charge in the 90s who most probably feathered their own bank accounts while selling you all down the Salado River.

    But as lsolde says, they don't need us, we don't need them, lets continue down that path.

    So be it.

    Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @15Britishbulldog,
    l understand a little of what tobias is trying to say.
    l do support capitalism but it must have safeguards & shouldn't be allowed to exploit people.
    Yes a nation has to join the economic world & cannot have it all their own way as Argentines seem to think.
    Years ago when l was visiting Australia, a friend told me the sorry saga of a boot-making company there.
    A certain pair of boots were $70 in the shops.
    Made in Australia & the workers received $25 per hour.
    The company closed down & moved to China.
    Sacked all Australian workers.
    Boots now made in China.
    Chinese workers on $1 per hour.
    Still sold same boots in Australia at $70 a pair.
    Company decided Chinese workers getting too high a wage(!!!!).
    Left China & moved to Sri Lanka where the workers get 40cents an hour.
    Still sold boots in Australia at $70 per pair.
    Thats just blatent exploitation, but apart from boycotting the bootmakers l don't know what you would do about it.
    Back on track
    We certainly don't need Argentina & can survive quite successfully without them.

    Apr 16th, 2012 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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