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You build history the way you can, not the way you want, said CFK of YPF takeover
“You build history the way you can, not the way you want”, said Argentine president Cristina Fernandez during an official ceremony in which she referred to the “recovery” of the country’s main oil and gas corporation YPF, in the midst of the dispute with Spain’s Repsol. Read full article
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess she said the same about her facial plastic surgery.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0... or in the case of Argtards, you can rewrite history to forget important parts, like everything before 1833.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argies, like their Nazi German ideological predecessors, are hardly the champions of history or objective facts about past events. Just look at their recent 'celebrations' about a war they lost, and still consider themselves to be the 'protagonistas'.
Imbeciles, the lot of them.
The YPF story proves she has completely lost it.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently Repsol are claiming $ 16bn in compensation, which is equivalent to half of Argentina's entire cash reserves (and the European news stations emphasised the point that Argentina no longer has access to the world financial markets)........The good news is that the world can now see that KFC is loco and will have no credibility anywhere for anything.
Interesting article here on Argentina's maturing debt as well here;
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.abc.es/20120418/economia/abci-argentina-vencimientos-deuda-201204171707.html&usg=ALkJrhhZpMGmzXjWICx3zhspDaCvfQDaFg#disqus_thread
Bravo....Cristina .... don't be afraid of them...
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0but...the nationalization is not enough..
there be needed some arrestings...
not only in Argentina,likely there could be some operations against Repsol(Rogue flock) in Spain.
who knows..maybe one day ... a Spanish newspaper could publish their whispers talked what in (...................... where in Spain ? ).........!
lnk up the Royal Presses, Queen Cristina & print out enough cash for everyone!
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 I don't think the world has any more capacity for the printing of argentinian money. It's all like 1920's Weimar Republic Germany.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0( 8 )
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I asked to you 3 simple questions..in other article...
I'll be waiting your reply........
don't skedaddle ( slink off ..... flee.....)
Is there no end to this mad woman, she has completely lost the plot the woman belongs in a physiatrist ward where she can end her days thinking herself Napoleon Bonaparte or better still Nero who fiddled while Rome burned fiddled being the operative word by the way seeing that she has nested her nest with fiddled money.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not know who is more touched in the head her or the ordinary Argentines who elected her. What an absolute embarrassment.
@8 re 9. I wouldn't bother responding to a drunk psychotic.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0( 10 )
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever met(see) with this mad woman in person ?
nisi do you gossip behind the internet screen..!
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0These 3 simple questions are valid for you tooooooo.........!
If you find them very hard ,I could ask easier ones...!
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone is entitled to thier opinion here and they don't have to justify there reasoning to you. The problem is with the likes as you (argtards I think Greek Yogurt uses) is that even with facts you don't care. Not really simple questions as they will be required to scour through the internet, read the articles, form an opinion and then post on here. Plus there might not be anything written about on the internet in the past with regards to what you have asked and that means nothing.
How about a question for you....... what makes you such an authority on the matter to dish out questions to others? are you a subject matter expert? I doubt it.
Shut up.
Well put my Queen, reminds me of the great Karl Marx quote ”Men (and women) make history, but not in circumstances of their own choosing”
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0What she is saying is she had to steal the cash from the business because the country was going to be bankrupt. Not a defence in court.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“When you think everything is someone else's fault, you will suffer a lot” Dalai Lama.
The people of Argentina will suffer a lot because of this foolish, mad woman.
I would bet that none of the survey info for the recently explored fields is kept in Argentina and if YPF was smart they have secured it through Repsol and it is now proprietary. Which means Arg has to start all over and has probably 5-7 years of testing in front of them. Of course they don't have the expertise to do it and now it will be COD in the 10s or 100s of MILLIONS U$ just to get back on track. Rut ro...
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You build history the way you can, not the way you want, said CFK of YPF takeover”
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0either way she has just admitted she builds history, she should try reading history instead of fabricating history
@17 Are you suggesting that comedy duo Del and Tracksuit-boy will find 500 bag loads of shredded survey information floating in the river and unknowingly declare it YPF environmental waste?
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watching the Argtards trip over their own feet is better than any kind of TV show.
@16 Not that the Dalai Lama doesn't have some good quotes, on the whole the Lamas were the head of one of the most brutal theocracies that the world has seen in modern times. You used to get your eyes poked out for saying bad things about the monks, who pretty much ran the entire show and did whatever they wanted. If you were really lucky you only got your hands chopped off.
Ah, please fasten your seat belts!
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many more nazinalizations are on the way.
Philippe
19. Most of the survey processing is done in the US EU UK so it was never in Arg anyway. They don't have the computing power or expertise to interpret them anyway. It not like you just stick a drill in the ground and oil comes up plus their eyes are sparkling from the Shale o/g and they've never done it don't have the equipment or the U$25B a year to get it going.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 I'm relatively sure an rage-filled angry mustachioed guy and a badly dressed guy with an online PhD could get it up and running in no time.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina must be confronted at every turn.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facists must never be appeased.
I think that the Mad Bitch is allowing herself visions of granduer here regarding history.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all KNOW what history will make of her tenure as the President of a fantastically resource wealthy country such as Argentina, brought low by her befuddled mind and criminal activities done in support of her personal wealth.
I am just awaiting the final schism that is going to signal her end. Let us all hope it is not too far off.
amazing this.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0these are the people who sold it in the first place to pocket a quick buck and now they are nationalising it again - for a quick buck.
remember all of this shite they are coming out with because as sure as eggs are eggs it will be sold again.
what then “national sovereignty”.
the fact is that the RG's will go on nationalising and privatising these assets until some one stops them because basically they are fucking hopeless at economics and need to constantly steal and thieve to make ends meet.
@15 - It's funny you would apply that quote from Karl Marx, seeing as Kirchner is a keen follower of his philosophy. When will this ugly woman stop stealing everything in sight, picking apart the corpses of everything she touches? KFC is a disgusting old witch who's run out of rope. She doesn't even have enough left to hang herself with (unfortunately). All Argentinians except a select, informed few, know NOTHING about history. They lie and cover up certain things, just like Mao in China. Brainwash the next generation and erase history. It won't last long. I doubt Hugo's successors will be nearly as galvanizing as he was, and when the money stops flowing from Venezuela, Argentina is SCREWED. iT'S JUST A QUESTION OF TIME. It's the Junta all over again! haha
Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You build history the way you can...not the way you want. Quote of the century. Did she mean 'ANY' way you can to get what you WANT. Tit!
Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Notice how years of banging on about the Falklands gets the odd mention in the international press - but one quick theft of an oil giant and the whole world is talking about it.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Displays how much interest the rest of the world has in the Falklands.
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a bottle of champagne sake ...
For all i see The English are more speedy than else....
I saw in Carribean beachs so many English tourists wearing British Flaggged shorts,bikinis....obviously so their nationalization did down people's underwears.......
Laughter........Laughter.......BHPTW
Do not worry where the Argentina governmentwill get the money to pay YPF. It has already declared that it is worth nothing, so nothing will be paid.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 jerry (#)
Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's pretty much why Paul Snr & Paul Jnr went to court over OCC.
Jnr had a clause that compelled him to sell to Snr - and Snr had the property valued at zero.
What will the fall-out be for Argentina's continued policy of antagonising its neighbours: does this foster progress in and for business. What is the Motive here?
Apr 19th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15- A Groucho Marx quote: A child of five would understand all of this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The last sentence of the above article was of most interest, quote: 'Until then on more than one occasion YPF, under control of Repsol was mentioned as a model corporation in Argentina.'
The truth of the whole matter that the CFK government rule by creating enemies they blame everything on the UK one week now it's Spain, next week someone else will fall foul of CFK & Co. This is the way that they dupe and keep their poor population in the dark and of course when things go wrong because of their economic mismanagement they are quick to point the finger of blame elsewhere.
As Groucho Marx also said: ' Women should be obscene and not heard.'
There is no long-term plan from the Argentine government. CFKC has been out of her depth since Nestor died because he was running the show. Now she has fired anyone with half a brain (including some loyal to Nestor) and replaced them with nodding dogs.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kirchner plan failed and the country has run out of money. The government has raided anything the country had control of for money and that has gone too. Now they have to steal from other countries because they cannot borrow out of this crisis.
What she has in her favor is the indoctrinated Argentines ; not all of them but a significant ill-educated section that swallow the lies whole. Part of the Peron model of fascism was to convince the population that the world was against them. So, these people will think the world is ganging up on them because 'they are the greatest country and everyone is jealous of them'. Never underestimate the ability of people to believe what they want to believe.
Like vultures, waiting in vain, in a constant state of longing. Everybody is kung fu fighting hahaha
Apr 19th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 It's called confirmation bias.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Are you a total retard? Did I ask for any justifications? Did I ask any questions?
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kung Fu Fighting is very technical game which the English never play it...
I think the Fencing is more appropriate for them.....
Speaking of violating rules, specially the most basic humanitarian ones:
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Santa Clarita, Calif.-based Princess Cruises, which is British-American owned, reportedly ignored a passenger's report of a distress signal and continued on course, rather than coming to the rescue of a stranded Panamanian fishing vessel. Two of the fishing boat's three crew members later died of dehydration, one day after the encounter with the cruise ship.”
http://gma.yahoo.com/princess-cruises-investigate-why-captain-ignored-distress-call-233100964--abc-news-topstories.html
Time and money over human lives. Typical Anglo-saxon mentality.
39 tobias
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm....
No stories about Brits callously murdering natives in the news today - so that's the best you can come up with?
Were these Panamanians actually YPF employees searching for oil or have you gone off topic?
@39 - If the cruise had conformed to the typical Argentinian mentality, they would have boarded the fishing vessel, thrown the Panamanians overboard, declared that the boat had ALWAYS been theirs, and then sailed it into the nearest Venezuelan port in return for one of Chavez' dog treats.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps, Tobias, you should stay home next time the Peronist Youth has a meeting.
The reason that news is relevant is because we just had the Titanic century anniversary (another British-American disaster caused by slavish adherence to time and money over common sense), so it seems after 100 years you guys haven't learned much.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So cut us argies some slack, Peronism is only 60 years old.
@39
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasnt the Belgrano, accompanied by two destroyers when she was sunk,and didnt they leave the crew to their fate?
@43
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never heard of that anywhere. I would have to see sources.
Anyway, I think that know the Falklands will lose their flights to South America. CFK will ban the airspace.
If the government feels the EU, UK, US, and Latin America are not going to negotiate, expect more fallout to ensue.
@34
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very good analysis, the Kirchner plan worked for a few years because it was a crisis plan & needed to be modified gradually as the economy improved (i.e. subsidies & money controls) This was never done of course so soon after her election victory CFK eliminated the subsidies & tightened money controls to prevent hyper-inflation knowing she had another 4 years to play with the books
Now that the Malvinas issue seems to be fading her only legacy seems to be to re-nationalize the natural resources that have been leaving the country mainly because of the above mentioned policies. This is not a bad idea for any country but there are better ways to do this than expropriation aka Peron
Interesting times ahead ........ nos veremos !
@43 Yes she was. Standard naval practice, a ship of that size, taking part in a fleet engagement, an attempt to attack the UK fleet from two diections, would have had escorts to provide Anti Submarine and Anti Aircraft screening. Why they did not detect HMS Conquerer is probably down to the skill of the Conquerers crew. As for not coming to the assistance of the Belgrano, I can only assume their Captains feared being torpedoed.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is completely true - the two destroyers accompanying the Belgrano disappeared pretty quick after it was torpedoed. There were some people in the UK who wanted to know why the Conqueror didn't sink these Argentine destroyers also. Of course this historical fact does not sit well with Argentine propaganda so it is carefully brushed under the carpet. It speaks volumes of the Argentine mentality - if they don't like historical fact just deny it ever happened and replace history by political misinformation.
She does not amke any economic sense at all. For every action...there is a reaction. I am really sorry to the people of Argentina for having an incompetent and deluted president such as CFK.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And she got that straight from Field Marshal Rumsfeld. “You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you with you have!”
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dumb and dumber!
Comparing a war time situation of ships retreating to a peace time incident is ridiculous and you all know it. It's like saying the evacuation of Dunkirk was an act of cowardice on the part of the Brits and French.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Completely criminal what that Anglo-saxon company did, specially since the two men that died then spent another TWO WEEKS at sea just emaciating and slowly perishing from thirst. Nice job.
49 Cruzansailor, “You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you with you have!”
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Dumb and dumber! ”
DONALD RUMSFELD: “As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time”
Dumb Yank and Dumber Brit :-))
@50 But wouldn't this have been a basic humanitarian issue at the time. The destroyer captains could have made contact with the Brits and asked to collect their sailors from the water. But they ran for it...
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pot, kettle, Black.
@47 Brit Bob. I think the Conquerer fired 2 world war 11 era torpedoes at the Belgrano. She no doubt had the capability of sinking all three ships. The decision not to, was I think the correct one. A major enemy naval threat was removed, to have taken out the other two ships would have had far reaching consequences with world opinion, which at that time was in our favour. As it was the enemy fleet returned to port and stayed there for the remainder of the conflict. What I found particularly revolting, was the rough time Thatcher was given by the anti's for ordering he sinking. The ARA Belgrano was engaged in a fleet action to attack and sink UK ships and kill UK naval personel. She was lawfully engaged and sunk, thereby preventing that attack and the subsequent loss of British lifes. If you are going to fight a war, fight it, it brings it to an end quicker and saves lifes. Theirs and ours.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gray market U$ hit $5.63 today....this country is collapsing and people are panicking. Scary Stuff if you aren't retarded.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel..if you are out there your pay just went down again...U$497 do you think by the end of the year you'll be making U$175?
@50 Tobias meant to say “Completely criminal what the Kirchners & Argtards did, specially since the 2.920 children that starved to death in Argtardia in 2010 then spent their whole life in Argtardia just emaciating and slowly perishing from hunger and thirst. Nice job.”
Apr 19th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done tobias while you were ranting on about the actions of a single captain, you reminded me about that story (http://www.elmundo.es/america/2010/03/28/argentina/1269793765.html). One captain gets it wrong and he's a criminal as to be determined in court. Whereas when a whole society gets it wrong and lets 2'920 children die every year while you have your Malbec in your hand then that's just obscene.
Such is the world of Argtardia where morally vacuous rodents fight over each other to be the most corrupt, and all the kids starve to death.
Well done, Argtards on having no humanity.
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which state are you living in US ?
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What is Argtard ?
is it a new Fruit Yoghurt brand ?
slowly perishing from thirst. Nice job.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 06 April 2011 Last updated at 07:51
.Dying from hunger in food-exporting Argentina
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12973543
@Greek Yoghurt
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias has difficulty understanding the difference between relative and absolute terms. Theres corruption, inequality, poverty, social injustice etc in Britain and therefor Britain is no better than Argentina..
I mean in Britain its easy to lie about inflation figures, ban book imports and many other things, slap a 50% tax on most goods that enter the country, bribe the police, control half the free media channels to spout endless propaganda etc etc etc...
OOooh they say Britain is falling to pieces with rioting in the streets that affected less than 0.001% of the population, inflation skyrocketing to 3.5%, corrupt politicians building duckhouses on their ponds with public money (worse than aerolineas' $2 billion going missing) and one of the safest place in the world to invest. Yes Britain is in the same sorry state as Argentina...
Real Estate in BA is crashing just like the peso, down for 3 months straight, Down 18% in sales volume and 7% IN ONE MONTH!!! So I guess putting all your U$ in property is a problem too.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone is getting poorer very quickly what happened to the grand re-direction of the economy CHINA like acceleration that will never end.
Where oh where is OGara? The kitchen got to hot I guess.
Recession + inflation = Stageflation=Devaluation= hyper-inflation/depression
12 TipsyThink ---- Why would I meet up with a mad psychotic woman that belongs in a lunatic asylum?
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 O'G is still here, I think, but under a different ID.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This is a losing cause – just as is Argentina’s claim for sovereignty of the British-controlled Falkland Islands.”: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/argentinas-expropriation-of-energy-company-only-isolates-country/article2406791/
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Yankeeboy. Just how much is the Argentinian peso worth?
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 I gathered that he wasn't really contextualising his issue with the cruise ship, when he took it as a clear example of Anglosaxonville culture.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't even know if the captain was British.
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All moneys' values are worthless...
The most valuable thing is humanity..
@65
Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then they are bankrupt in both.
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Apr 19th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there were no women in the world then all money values would be equal.
just my Economy Theory..
Hopefully YPF is the only one she nationalises, otherwise the EU could potentially start freezing Argentinian assets in Europe. She is turning Argentina into Iran. Next there will be assets freezing then sanctions.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 Arg pesos are like “store credit” for argentina as they're worthless anywhere but there. unfortunately with crazy inflation they're getting more and more worthless in argentina too!
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An American bleating about property prices falling. Can't make it up.
His country is literally being bought peacemeal by foreigners (including argies), and his worried about our real estate market, which has gone up since 2001.
@70 Whereas in your country, you're having some £2.99 Tesco Malbec and 3'000 kids are starving every year. That's nearly 8 a day.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical response when faced with the facts. Fact: the USA is being firesold and it's been going on for 5 years. Russians, Brazilians, Chinese, Middle easterners, even the new poor Europeans (UK, Germans, Italians, French), Indians, they are all are buying property like crazy in NYC, Miami, Chicago, etc. Even argies and other South Americans. Meanwhile millions of americans are losing their homes.
If that was Argentina, you guys would me making a feast out of that. But is reality in the United States today and everyone knows it.
@72 It's called capitalism and it's been going on there a damn sight longer than 5 years.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 072. We don't care who buys the property why would we? We like foreign investment and love when other people come here and spend their money. Too bad you can't exchange pesos though.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RGs in their have to save 6 months OF THEIR TOTAL pay to buy an ipad! hahaha a coule months ago it was 3 and now Apple stopped importing there because it wasn't worth the trouble.
Toby, don't try to compare an emerging country to the richest in the world it makes you look retarded.
#59 - In Argentina real estate sales are in US dollars. I believe that sales are down because CFK has made obtaining US dollars so difficult that nobody can get them in order to purchase a property.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming you don't just pull your numbers out of your emunctory aperture (since you never supply any hyperlinks), I don't save any money for an Ipad simply because I don't want one.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA is not the richest country in the world, hasn't been for some years now. There's like 15 countries with higher GDP per capita.
@74 UK will be richest in the world again, once we've invented that really good expensive thing that's really popular and everyone needs. Urm...
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until then, we're happy to let you guys take the glory.
76, Avg ( legal) Salary 2011 $3300 pesos a month 3300/5.63 = $586/mo.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ipad (I used this because it is the same all over the world so its easy to compare) Oh sorry just went on gabarino to get the price but they only have out of date ones. Well you can buy an out of date one for only 2 months of ALL OF your salary. If you want to get something from this year you need a plane ticket too. hahahahaha
To make your country rich and more competitive, is what governments are their for,
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But stealing other countries investments and companies, is not the way to do it .
Be honest, and earn an honest crust,
don’t steal it,
[It will just make you the victim AGAIN ]
@78
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your metric is only good in comparing nominal currency strength. It does not measure real living standards. This is not exactly from a pro-CFK paper (Clarin), and the source is not exactly a nation friendly to Argentina (in fact from an enemy country, the study is from the UK's BBC):
http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/adquisitivo-Argentina-debajo-promedio-mundial_0_680931957.html
Luxembourg, the worlds richest nation, the per capita is near 90,000 USD, almost twice the USA, but it does not mean they live twice as good as you. The local prices for produce, labor and services are far higher than the USA so those high salaries are significantly eaten up. So in real terms the USA and Luxembourg are much closer in real wages.
Just like Argentines living standard is not 1/4 of Americans based on just dollar/peso currency fluctuations. The real purchasing power makes the Argentine salary equivalent to 1,100 dollars a months in terms of what the value of food, labor, services gets you in Argentina.
@80 A good measure of 'real living standards' is the number of children starving to death every year. (argentina: 3'000)
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't try to compare via the Big Mac Index, as KFC has screwed that one by forcing McDonalds to sell Big Macs really really cheaply.
@81
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or suicide rates. I mean what's a full stomach worth if your life is so miserable you want to blow your brains out.
Europe, as everyone knows, doesn't score too well there. Or trying to take 30 people out out of anger and frustration. USA don't do too well in that statistc.
Not good for vauting “real” living standards if hell seems like a better place.
Well that may have been true a few years ago but with yoy 25% inflation almost everything is cheaper in the USA. Last time I was in BA I was shocked at how much things cost. I spent $110 per person on LUNCH!
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So in the USA we make MUCH MUCH more and things are MUCH MUCH cheaper.
Plus if you think making $U 1,100 a month is good you can come and work for me. I will pay you double that to do my errands and translate. I am pretty sure bums make more than that begging.
@82 Actually it's Asia that doesn't score well there, specifically East Asia, where Japanese, Chinese and Koreans are quite adept at ending it all. In Europe, i believe the much discussed socialist economic models in Norway, Sweden and Finland are best at driving people to knocking oneself off of one's perch.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, Norway registers around 525 suicides every year and Argentina registers approx. 3000 children starving to death every year. You could hardly state that suicides in Norway are as a result of an unfair corrupt system of existence, whereas in Argentina the children's deaths are directly as a result of this.
Because of this, and many other reasons, even discussing the Argentinian annexation of the Falklands is a crime against humanity.
@84
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't have it both ways. You can't say “inflation is out of control” and then state the above. Inflation does not happen in a vacuum, it happens because money is chasing money and people think they can increase prices because people will keep buying. If people didn't buy, it would be like 2002 when after a 60% inflation surge post-devaluation it went down to 3% because no one was chasing the prices increases, the economy was in a true recession/depression.
Inflation is keeping up because salaries overall are keeping up. Argentina is much more expensive for you because in DOLLAR terms Argentina's economy has been revaluating. That is what is causing the cheap imports and the whole import restrictions. See how it all ties up now??
Basic economics. Who the heck said 1.100 is good or not? It's great for a Peruvian or Paraguayan. Things are relative.
Just like your suggestiont to me is. In Argentina if I made 1.100 I don't pay for a car (I use the metro), I don't pay for healthcare, I don't pay for a huge mortgage. There is much more disposable income from those measly 1.100 than making 2.000 from you and having no health coverage (or if I wanted some spending at least 5oo dollars for some), does not include the fact I would most like need to buy a car since public transport is very weak in the US, and that I still have rent (and supermarket prices are expensive).
Are you trying to tell me its increase in salaries that is causing inflation? Are you mad? Your salaries are not keeping up with your inflation so that would be impossible.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think you have more disposable income that someone living in NYC, DC, Paris or London? They all have metros, most people's employers pay fro their healthcare, if you don't pay rent or have a mortgage I am assuming you are still living with your parents, and our food is cheaper than yours with much more variety. You need to get out of Arg and see the world you have been brainwashed and are delusional.
@85 You don't pay for a mortgage? Urm... who does pay it then?
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNICEF states that 25 children under the age of 1 die per day in Argentina of preventable causes. Who is paying for healthcare????
@86
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the delusional one. I never said we had more disposible income. You are the one who wants to have it both ways. Argentina is getting more expensive in one sentence, but it is getting poorer (cheaper) in another. If it's getting more expensive for you it's because your dollar salary is not going up 20% to match the price rises in Argentina. Since the peso does not devalue as fast as inflation, you get more pesos that buy you less. If you live in Argentina and you get a 20-25% increase in salary (which is what most people are getting), then you don't have that problem. It is not sustainable, but up until now that has been the case whether you like it or not. You obviously hate Argentina, all argentines, and I have never once seen you say one good thing so how impartial of a source can you be? Life in your countries is not the paradise you crack it to be, and life in Argentina is not as bad as you want it to be. Accept it and move on.
BTW, I don't go to Garbarino, I go to Fravega. This guy though seems to have no problem with Garbarino:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNB5mfDSo3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNB5mfDSo3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNB5mfDSo3Q
I sugest you start posting for a good , good advisors. May be The Clarin news paper can cut you a deal and redact the posting for you. You are taking argentina to the brink of civl war and isolation from the world Gummy Dummy-
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias, really I don't want to get into conflict with you but to say property prices have been rising in Argentina since 2001 is ridiculous. You know that following the economic crash people were selling their property for extremely low prices, almost giving them away. So, to use that as a base point is misleading. The BsAs property market has been struggling for the last couple of years. (Yes, it has in the UK too).
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And please don't use suicide rates as an example. You know how many people commited suicide in Argentina after the last crash and as the next one is imminent it is not a good discussion to get into.
I don't wish this crisis on your country and have many good friends there that will be affected but I absolutely will not stop criticising the terrible Argentine government.
And you may not want i-pads etc. but a lot of young Argentines do.
@91
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it ridiculous? Is my statement true or not? Didn't the UK stock market go down 70% in the 2008-2010 period?? Now many of you are vaunting the rise again of the FTSE. Well, I could use your same argument and say it's risen from pathetic low levels. But isn't that capitalism? (to use soemone's quote)
Suicide rates in Argentina didn't go up much at all in the 2001 crisis. And even if they had you can't compare a temporary aberration to a structural situation like you see in Europe, East Asia, etc.
I don't hate Argentina. I only watch what is going on there because I find it amazing that a place so bountiful can be such a disaster.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your grasp of economics is fascinating, do they just teach that kind only in Argentina or maybe in Zimbabwe and Venezuela too.
The condo I rented in 2001 in BA sold for 750K in the 90s and now it might be worth 425K. So your real estate has not even recovered from 30 yrs ago. It ws supposed to by my landlords retirement but it didn't work out so well for them They were so happy to have me paying in U$ though.
In the 90s everything cost more than it did in NYC until the system overheated and imploded. The same thing is happening now and I am not sure why you don't see it.
BTW don't lie to me I have a lot of friends in BA with professional jobs that have not been getting yoy 25% wage increases. In fact most of them are in their late 30s and can barely afford a car or smartphone and for sure can't buy a condo or house.
@92
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Buenos Aires had a bubble in the 1990s because of the services and banking sector. In Mendoza I can tell you prices are significantly higher than in 2001. Yes I have personal experience on the matter.
The 1990s were your decade. Argentina did everything the IMF, USA, EU and World Bank said to do. So what happened? Everything you would suggest Argentina do (open the economy, lower inflation, privatize, free the job market), was done then you can't deny it.
I'm not saying the current model is better than that one, but it's the system most people here are calling for now, and it went down. Why?
Tobias
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the exception of a couple of nutters Im pretty sure most of the gringos here dont wish ill of Argentina.
Ok some jokes are made and harsh words said but I believe its more to do with frustration that a country with so much potential is locked in this cycle of political and economic instability. Its a shame. Argentinians should be getting a much bigger piece of the pie and the politicians/mafia far less.
Theres also the fear that the current dictatorship of CFK (Cmon! It IS.) is dragging Argentina down and with it potentially the rest of the region. Dictatorships are very contagious in LATAM right? So, much ire is directed at CFK and Arg politics - not really at Argentinians.
Also theres the annoyance to put it mildly of Argentina continuously bullying the small democratic, well established, peaceful society of the Falklanders. a) Bullying is not good b) All this wasted time and energy has got Argentina absolutely nowhere although its been a very handy tool for the dictators/nationalists.
Most of us acknowledge that Britain has it problems. Its not perfect. We accept that we had a colonial history and the shame that entails. But this degree of humilty doesnt seem to be so apparent in ubber nationalistic Argentina. You still celebrate The Conquest of the Desert by printing it on your bank notes. Maybe this is Argentinas biggest flaw. It doesnt want to admit its errors and its weaknesses. And so theres little learning and evolving. The cycles continue...
I think both Argentine/Latin American and Gringo cultures can learn from each other. In Gringoland we are too stressed out but more responsible. In Argentine/Latin American people are generally more relaxed and seem to live in the moment more but arent so responsible.
Wheres the balance?
You keep mentioning why everyone seem to be irrationally picking on Arg. but I would hazard a guess that you ask this because you-re a little insecure about where Argentinas heading at the moment.
@94
Apr 19th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You response is the most objective, rational, and luculent I have read. Must be your name.
I'm not insecure. If your country was attacked day in and day out as much as it is here, from all directions, I think most people would react far far worse. I just point out hypocrisis mainly.
“I think both Argentine/Latin American and Gringo cultures can learn from each other. In Gringoland we are too stressed out but more responsible. In Argentine/Latin American people are generally more relaxed and seem to live in the moment more but arent so responsible. ”
This is an extremely perspicacious observation. If you have noticed, “Latins” tend to admire and some seek to work in your countries, because they are more reliable places to get financially ahead. “Anglos” (Germanics), tend to admire and even seek to retire or some even move in their youth to Latin countries, because they are places were life seems to have more meaning.
It seems the places that come closest to a balance are Switzerland, Northern Italy, and France. Prosperous areas but they still sort of make sure life doesn't just pass by.
@ 95 You're so boring, always trying to be accepted, no balls eh. I ask you again, are you black? why you always act like you are worthless? Have some dignity and stop asking for forgiveness. Imbécil gusano asqueroso, tenés menos dignidad que una bolsa de caca.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 94 You're not a “gringo”, stupid brown skin mexican. It is so funny that you act like you like Argentina, and now you're worried for Argentina :( you're so sweet :)
@90 Just to put an end to tobias's morbid chat... From el psychiatry paper national suicide rate in Argentina is 3.1 (in women) and 15.5 (in men), per 100,000. This increases towards the southern states where in Chubut, Santa Cruz, and Tierra del Fuego suicide rates are 5.9 (in women) and 21.4 (in men), per 100,000. Just as a comparison, the national rate in UK is 3.0 (in women) and 10.9 (in men) per 100,000, low by international standards.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Therein lies an end to the morbidity. Let's all have a fun happy day and smile more!
97 GreekYoghurt
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Living down by 'I don't Think' is bound to make anybody suicidal, I think. :o)
95
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm not insecure. If your country was attacked day in and day out as much as it is here, from all directions, I think most people would react far far worse. I just point out hypocrisis mainly.”
Do you realise just how hypocritical this sounds? Its your country which is constantly “attacking” others, whether by invading their territory, stealing their assets or simply flouting the law.
You can never get away with the facts,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0And no one has a right to steal, what is not theirs to steal .
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@99 “I'm not insecure. If your country was attacked day in and day out as much as it is here, from all directions”
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's using the default Argtard 'we're such victims' strategy. You're right to pick him up on his country's need to attack everyone else with it's economic policies, including a blockade on the falklands. However, apparently they're the victims because of this.
Argtards gonna tard... and that's a fact.
Maybe Tobias should stop taking the criticism of the Argentine government personally.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are plenty of news sites where the UK government and culture is discussed and gets a panning from contributers. Some I agree with, some is ridiculous zenophobic nonsense, and there is a large helping of extreme views but none of it is worth taking personally.
Myabe that is a difference in culture. I think of myself as an individual with a responsibility to a wider society.
why do you respond to yourself,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@94-@95
#103
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clear case of schizophrenia!
Well, now everyone is attacking me. Poor little people, if they don't gang up on me they can't tie the score.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep calling me names and diagnosing various clinical conditions and all that. You guys look so smart.
tobias, we really all love you♥
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you all know what love is? I doubt it.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so miserable, tobias♥
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think I'm miserable? Tune up your radar once in a while. Get some Oleo-X or WD40.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You kill your face with the 17 layers of makeup you smear on that turkey neck. She is so incompetent, she makes the second Mrs Peron look like a genius. She will not serve out her term. Argentina is in for another wild ride. Say hello to “La Campora” Argentinas Hitler youth led by Maximo Kirchner. With him lies the real danger to Argentina. Fascist resurgence. His imbecilic Mother is only the place holder until her next nervous breakdown, when the congress will install him as president.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0107
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can always become british,
@111
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I woudn't be allowed. I don't believe anyone who's not of my own nationality is a loser just because they are not part of my nationality. That automatically disqualifies me from citizenship.
we dont think [you] are a loser
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we thinks thing are with CFK.
perhaps a british head honcho to look after argentina untill you get back on your feet .
@113
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was tried in India, the British head honcho, Big Cahuna, El patron, whatever you want a call it.
Argentina's living standard is 10 times higher than India.
Obviously, doesn't seem to be a good idea.
well you may well be right,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if only she gave up her obsesion with the falklands,
then she can concentrate of her country,
seems a good idea .
She did. Her obsession is YPF.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still think if Argentina had as many British people as Chile then it might be a better country. Chile has a pretty stable democracy, decent foreign investment and growth and lots of people of British heritage.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias should cheer up and try to get a job in London, where he'll feel less sh!t about everything. He can join the other Argies here who feel decidedly less rubbish after moving.
Actually, Argentina is the most 'anglo-celtic' influence country in the world that is not a former British colony. So I guess your genetics didn't help us.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well Argentina may well be the most 'anglo-celtic' influence country in the world .
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they are certainly anti 'anglo-celtic' now,
I think you'll find it's Chile that has the most British (700'000) whilst not being a British colony. Argentina, however, doesn't really have that many British heritage folk (100'000).
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why Chile is a nice place, a modern growing economy and a great place for business and investment. Argentina isn't any of the above.
Then I guess it's the Irish.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need only compare the Chilean love of high tea and their ability to form stable democratic systems and low-risk economic climates to know they have a larger number of British people.
Apr 21st, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina... like seriously what's going on there? Whatever it is, it's clearly either italian judging from the corruption or spanish judging from the low productivity or german judging from the lebensraum.
@122
Apr 21st, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Allende (a communist government, Argentina never had a communist government), and Pinochet (a dictatorship that started three years before Argentina's and ended 8 YEARS later), are shining beacons for Argentina to imitate.
tobias,
Apr 21st, 2012 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0stop wallowing in self-pity.
you're making me laugh.
How could I stop? I live in the fourth world remember?
Apr 21st, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0#110 Absolutely everything you said in that post is wrong. Whether or not my Queen wears “17 layers” of makeup, she looks gorgeous at the end of it (and in fact I think the pictures of her un or less made up are also very beautiful). More importantly she is the opposite of the incompetent right wing placeholder Isabel Peron, who the Kirchners tried to get extradited from Spain for her role in starting the Dirty War (so much for Peronism as a monolithis block). In my humble outsider opinion she is even greater than Evita, though I know that would be a culturally difficult thing for an Argentine to say. Maximo may eventually become President, just like any other young activist might, but not before years of elected and/or government service that haven't really begun, despite his positive role in setting up La Campora. Hopefully my Queen will manage to change the constitution and run for a third term, if not then maybe Timmerman or another principled loyal minister could stand as her “personal delegate”, like Campora was to Peron, and arrange to hand power back to her as soon as constitutionally possible.
Apr 21st, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Máximo president??????? of his house. I mean he can administrate his house and the properties of their parents, but a country???? has he been diputado, senador, gobernador, intendente, concejal????? neither the mother neither he can be president next period. admit it. lets change as all countries do. it is the way democracy works.
Apr 21st, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there are many peronists more prepared than máximo and cristina is time she gets out. the models are not eternally linked to one people.
@malen
Apr 21st, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with that. Yes to democracy. No to nationalism.
@ 127
Apr 21st, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never thought I would ever agree with you, but you are correct: apart from no more Peronistas - try for someone honest this time with a brain. :o)
#127 Your basically making the same point as me, less diplomatically, about Maximo, and I think its an obvious one for those who know that Argentina is NOT North Korea or anything like it. But while the model can never just be about one person, and should outlive its founder if its a good model, I do support the right of the Argentine people to re-elect Cristina if they so wish. Given her current form, I think they would like to, especially since by 2015 the current nationalisation struggle should be beatring fruit in increased prosperity for the poor
Apr 21st, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always criticised the wrong decitions that the gov. took respecting ypf, it shoud have been nationalized some years ago. Anyway what is interesting is that when she decided to recover the company, it shows that she's recognizing that her government didn't have a good policiy for the it, she could have done what all mediocre politcians do, which is avoiding the question, and another government will have to take care of a huge problem. This is why i think that despite the wrong decitions that she took regarding ypf, she is changing the course of the history, i value that so much, because she is the one who is taking care of the problem. Beside, all those ignorants who dont know anything about our situation, who love to argue about the so partial information that they read about arg., dont know that because of the wrong decitions of the government, and lack of inverstments by ypf, our country has been loosing reserves of oil and gass. The nationalization of ypf is not just a national cause like some ignorants love to say all the time, it's actually a strategic decition, because neather mariano rajoy nor the ciadi aren't going to solve the problem that we have with our reserves, the spanish government is making so much fuss because it wants to distract people' attention from the terrible repression that it's exercising against it's people because of the huge cuts. It's amazing how a president begs on his ness before the interests of a corporation which is not even statal, and it's not totally spanish eather.
Apr 21st, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina is doing what she should have done some years ago, anway the problem of the reserves wont be solved only with the nationalization of ypf, we will need much more inverstments in the energetic sector, and the state must take care of it. Beside, all those who love to talk about the juridic security, should know that yesterday the representants of french oil corporation (total), met our planning minister, because they are interested on exploration.
130 ok
Apr 21st, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but Critinas cant be reelected for a third period, it is not in the constitution
so put anothe candidater: anyone from peronism can win easily, the opposition cant win, they dont have leaders.
and the sons of presidents have never been able to replace their parents in leadership. ex ricardo alfonsín, you can have the name but that doesnt give you votes. for diputado senador, no problem.
you say she cannot,
Apr 21st, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0eye say-
she will change the constitution
so that she can, get re-elected .
no 12 years in power of Kirchners its too much, let others be.
Apr 21st, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lets change, like Lula did, he could find a sucessor in Dilma, and she is doing it well. In Colombia, the president also changed. In Perú, in Chile, come on. She is millonaire, can do many other things.
if she does not give, what she has promised, then she is a failuer,
Apr 21st, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she has not given them the british falklands, and that promise will return her, we thinks .
134 malen
Apr 21st, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope for Argentina's sake that you are right. You see, the Argentinian people are alright, they are just constantly lead astray and have their country ruined by corrupt politician's.
135 briton
I hope you are wrong, I really do, but as the saying goes :- Hope for the best, prepare for the worst........
agreed
Apr 21st, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they need a new start.
but CFK may have other ideas .
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/21/robert-fulford-do-cry-for-argentina/
Apr 22nd, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@70
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias, foreigners can buy property in America, not a big deal. However, they can never move it. Millet USA
#131 Agreed, Cristina's courage really is a great asset to her country
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0#132 The constitution isn't a holy book, it can be amended if the people find some changes in how to operateto be in their best interests. I'm not rooting for “anyone from Peronism” because that includes the Peronism of Isabel Peron and Menem, and the Peronists who stood against Cristina just a few months ago. There are loyal Kirchnerists who could stand too, I've mentioned Timmerman as a good example, and I think we're agreed that the idea of Maximo taking over in a Kim Jong Un way is just a ludicrous scare story. However I really think Cristina is the country's best asset, as she would be for my country if she were British, or for any country. She's just so eloquent, clever, radical and brave, and yes her exceptional beauty also helps her politics. The Economist (if on the faulty premise that Chavez is definately going to die; hope he dissapoints them!) are starting to call her the new Chavez; Latin America and the world would also greatly benefit for her continuing presence on the world stage.
#138 Silly article, nice picture =)
110 Cruzansailor
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello, hello, hello........ The prize for clear thinking goes to...............
Cruzansailor!!!!
You have proved that not everyone has had their brainwashed!!
#141 I've already dealt with him, see #126 =) Long live the smart and lovely Queen Cristina!
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess the issue here is the KFC is simply driving people's opinions of Argentina, and let's face it, she's driving it somewhere negative.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one has an issue with nationalising assets, the issue is with thieving assets. One is morally acceptable, the other is not. To have your president acting against the constitution, condoning asset theft is just morally reprehensible.
“Long live the smart and lovely Queen Cristina”
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well british kirnerist, you are in love with her.that explains it all.
I found many things of Cristina these days, like her daughter using the government plane as for particular trips, or her luxurious hotel, and well she has her particular money to use it as she likes, but really hope she can make a good last job till 2016. some things I like ,others not, like this thing of reeeeeeeelections eternal reeeelections or if not possible changing it to the figure of a parliament way of governance so she can still be in power. and then they cry when they get ill of power, thay are not prepared to loose it.
British Kirnerist, must be smoking something? Or he is really an Argentinian hiding on this forum as a Brit. Or perhaps brainless. - Millet USA
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@145 Millet,
Apr 24th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or a troll.
146
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would have to be a blind troll.
Without giving enough personal details to make it easy for Conqueror to carry out his death threat against me, I can confirm that I'm not a troll, have actually never taken drugs, have no problems with my sight, am known to my friends as an intelligent person, and really am British. My support for Cristina is primarily political as I am on the left, but I also find her an amazingly attractive personality, as do many apolitical people as well as supporters, with only Thatcher or Galtieri loving haters left out of the consensus. Hope that helps =)
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0#144 I think a move to a Parliamentary system, unless it would be a good idea anyway (which it might, I don't know) would be an overcomplicated ammendment, better just to get rid of term limits and let the people decide if they still want Cristina. Most parties in a democracy would lose anyway after 12 years, but if the people still want more it might mean she's doing well =)
@148 I'm apolitical and i find her quite nauseating.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0. My support for Cristina is primarily political as I am on the left, but I also find her an amazingly attractive personality, as do many apolitical people as well as supporters, with only Thatcher or Galtieri loving haters left out of the consensus.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would a left winger love a fascist ?
#149 Your not unbiased on these debates, and your not fooling anyone
Apr 24th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#150 I hate fascists. Cristina put the Argentine ones in jail
British Kirchnerist, your an Argentinian trying to post your crazy posting as a Brit. to make CFK look better than she is. CFK is the worst for poor Argentina.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@149 GreekYoghurt,
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think “hideous” would be a more appropiate term!
@152 Millet,
l think that he is actually British, but he's in love.
When you're in love you are slightly insane.
Been there, done that.
What a pity that he couldn't pick someone more worthy.
#152 How could anyone make the Queen of beauty look better than she is?
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#153 I'm in love with her politics, living under Cameron's depressing regime who can blame me for being glad theres an alternative? And that its being promoted by such a lovely lady?
154 can you explain, if you want, how is it you are british and at the same time kirchnerist??? because that is incompatible........
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0another case of double standards
i think you are argie troll, nothing british, and all kirchnerist
BK is not British. - Millet USA
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0#155 I'm British through and through but I admire Cristina and if I was Argentine would vote and campaign for her, as a Brit I see her pro-poor form of leadership as far preferable to my own government's cuts and allegiance to the rich, Cristina is my inspiration and I call her my Queen because she shows an other way is possible. What about you Malen, whats your point of view, I thought you said you were Peronist but maybe your more of the Menem type?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0british troll: I voted Binner in last election. Ive said it.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@157 Pro-poor? Urm.. are you having a stroke?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#158 I think its good that the historically marginal Socialist Party came second, rather than an oligarchic party, so in your own way you did your bit =) What makes you think I'm a troll though, just because like many people of your own nationality I support re-election?
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