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Argentina must take control of its natural resources, insists Cristina Fernandez
Argentine President Cristina Fernández vindicated her decision to expropriate YPF, assuring that her Government “remains convinced that all Argentines should be in control of the country’s natural resources.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThats very normal everybody must have own “” self determination“” rights notably on energy resources......
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0What the hell is she twittering on about? She and her minions are clearly on a different planet.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0She admits, once again, that she is hopeless without Nestor telling her what to do. FFS it has been 18 months and she is still paying the widow-woman card.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We need to defend them for all Argentines: this is the true and final objective. We’re not snob environmentalists but rather because we want to conserve them for future generations”.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0....how does that tie in with the fact that one stated reason for the exporpriation is to increase oil and gas prdoduction in Argentina ??? Extracting and burning is not conserving the resource for future generations.
“There’s no country in the world that has transferred the management of hydrocarbons to the private sector,”
....err - I guess she just made that up?
Finally - appeals to the ghost of Nestor are becoming laughable. When the people get tired of that she'll be appealing to the ghost of Eva Peron.
Waht a beautiful picture of my Queen and what beautiful eloquent words =) Who could fail to love a woman like this? Ti amo mi reina, besos
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0#3 Actually if you read what she said she's saying the opposite, that she is quite able to cope with the situation but she wishes the love of her life was still there to see her moment of triumph. If your husband or partner died do you think you'd just get over it within 18 months?!
@5 No she released this information to gain sympathy. I have never used a personal loss to manipulate and for political gain. There is such a thing as dignity. As time passes one learns to accept the situation, however, CFKC is a professional widow and on my last visit to BsAs quite a few Argentines remarked that they were heartily sick of her wittering on about Nestor; she may have overplayed her hand on this one.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I realise you are just playing a game on here but some of your posts are more than a little creepy.
@4 Yeah, she is like a femail Norman Bates. I wonder if she has Nestor embalmed and in her attic in her home?
Funny you should say that - I've been reading a fair bit about the life of Eva Peron recently. Didn't know she was embalmed until a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure what to make of her.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't suppose there are posters here that actually lived through her era to comment so all we'd hear are the regurgitated myths. Pondering reading one of her biographies but it's hard to choose which one. Views on her seem very partisan without much middle ground.
I wonder if she has ever heard of the shell to sea movement in rossport over here in Ireland? ”There’s no country in the world that has transferred the management of hydrocarbons to the private sector,” we gave ours away!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Calaras. She's right, there is no country in the world that as transferred the management of hydrocarbons, they bloody “”“SOLD”“” theirs. That's what particularly stinks of dishonesty in this entire affair.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Oooh, you are treading on dangerous ground, LOL! I have spoken with some people that lived through her time, and many that heard their parents/grandparents account of that period. You are right that she polarises people in Argentina.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0She was a flawed human with an uncanny knack of tapping into the populist agenda, not unlike Princess Diana. The difference is that whilst Diana was mourned and has her rightful and respected place in history, warts and all, Eva Peron was turned into an immortal figure and worshipped like a deity. I think it is a cultural thing when a mere mortal like Maradona - famous for kicking a spherical object around, over-indulging in drugs and rejecting his fans - has a church dedicated to worshipping him with some 200,000 members. (Although hilariously this church is split as a significant number want to replace him with Messi).
You have to understand the mind-set of some Argentines to understand why some people still talk about her in hushed and reverent tones. Read a few books about her and also read her autobiography - I believe this is still compulsary reading in Argentine schools - and you will see she liked to make rambling, nonsensical, mawkish and emotional speeches; remind you of anyone? I would be interested to hear your opinion of her. I once expressed mine here and was pretty much 'burned' for heresy even though I mentioned positive and negatives about her.
#6 You just hate her, your not really engaging just putting the worst possible spin on anything to do with Cristina. Even if I were to agree with everything you said in this comment it doesn't do anything to prove your original claim that Cristina just isn't up to it without her man
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0#7 Great woman, better than her husband, but not quite as great as Cristina in my view =)
#8 Fat lot of good it did Ireland!
I had noticed similarities to Diana - but there were also similarities to Jade Goody if that name means anything to you?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The overriding impression I have so far is that she was a bit like a child in a sweet shop that had a good heart but was too naive to really understand the real politics going on around her.
How do you comment on a woman that single handedly introduced womens suffrage and then got them all to vote for a fascist!?!? It is all very contradictory.
I love how he calls it a virtuous model, after Argtardia just went back on contracts signed, and stole someone's posessions, going against their own constitution, which is a contract with the people.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any contract they've not ripped up? ever?
... and then they want negotiations? hahahah, how I laugh when that comes up.
I understand they sold their resources and now are effectively “stealing” them back. I was just pointing out that here in Ireland our government is broke yet they won't even try and get money out of companies extracting our oil and gas. Hence we have “given” ours away.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also i must say that british-kirchnerist seems like a tit
@9 You still fail to acknowledge the fact that the ones who “sold” the management of hydrocarbons were a puppet regime installed by the western world. Live with it, or don't, scream load or shut up, it makes no difference, you are still going home empty-handed
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15. Oh do give over, when are you going to grow up and take stop blaming others for decisions taken on your behalf. Act like an adult and accept your responsibilities. You do realise how ridiculous this makes you look. First it was the junta, now it's puppet western regimes. Who are you lining up to take responsibility for this latest debacle, in ten years time. Your running out of people to blame.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Again, read history, the military junta drove YPF to the brink of bankrupcy (6 Billion deficit when they left power), leaving Argentina no option but the privatize, as the country was sacked and there were no means to pay the debts. The privatization happened in 93, with the Repsol takeover in 98. If you impose a puppet regime, who lends money of you a thus leaves the country in the brink of bankrupcy, giving the country no option but to privatize, it's a sellout, no matter what name you put on it. You are running out of coutries to sack...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 It seems we can model Argtards with the following software:
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let History = everything after 1833
Let AnyContract = Ignore
if ( Fault of Argtardia = TRUE ) then {
run procedure BlameJunta
run procedure SeperateJuntaFromArgentina
if (Result = FAIL) {
run procedure BlamePirates
}
}
else if ( Presidential Action = Illegal ) then {
run procedure ThieveAndSteal
run procedure ClaimVirtuousness
run procedure BlameJunta
}
else if { InResourceNegotiations = True AND President = Nestor)
run procedure ThrowTablesAroundInAnger
run procedure RAGEQUIT
run procedure BlamePirates
}
else {
run procedure ColoniseLebensraumForFourthReich
}
16. In ten years its going to be. We the argentinean people blame everything on KFC, Timmerman & the British (they do like to blame us alot).
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 017 : Guzz : How does an oil company run up a $6Bn deficit ? It simply is not possible .
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 According to my software they will blame the Junta and Pirates for making them steal their by then failed oil and gas company.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Very simple, the borrow money from their sugar daddys to fill their own pockets in exchange of lucrative contracts... If you read history, you will see that the junta took control of the YPF and made it the oil company with most deficit in the world, let me help you with some keywords if you have interest in knowing what you are talking about: YPF, Argentina, Suarez Mason
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz is a prime example of what appears to be a general mentality pervading Argentina.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Every decade is a clusterf##k full of scapegoats for the previous one and culprits for the new one.
How about this - no Brit alive today is responsible for the Falklands dispute so why not just leave the islanders in peace?
22 When Menem sold YPF in 1993 there had been 10 years of civilian rule , so plenty of time to get the books back in order .
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0YPF was sold at a price equivalent to 9 months production
Both Kirchners supported the privatization.
Now it is back in state ownership , the same thing that happened between 76-83 will happen again.
They will put their hands in the cookie jar and the people will get f*ck all.
@23 You are a prime example of human prejudice and not knowing what you are talking about in general, I'm Uruguayan and could not care less about the Malvinas (still think brits have no rights to claim them), as long as you leave the oil to whom legally owns it.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 I concur. It seems they have a rolling 30-year blame process that completely absolves them of blaming any of the country's issues on themselves.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC & Nestor for example heavily promoted the privatisation of YPF. They blame the junta for this. Nestor walked out of negotiations with Britain over the Falklands. They blame the junta/pirates for this. None of these things seem to be their responsibility as if they weren't there.
Argtards seem to take Nestor, KFC and Maximo to be their God-head. It's quite remarkable.
“as long as you leave the oil to whom legally owns it.”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed - the people who live there. Finally we agree.
@26 Of course we blaim ourselves! We blaim ourselves for being far too few to stop the relentless sacking, we blainm ourselves for not having the strength to stand against all the multinationals coming to “invest” (read sack) our rich continent.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course they approved of the privatization, what else could they do? The country was left sacked and in heavy debts, YPF generating 200M USD losses yearly in interests only! What were they supposed to do? You sincerely expect a country to recover from such relentless sacking in a span of 10 years? Heck, the ONLY way to recover was to privatize, which I'm sure was no coincidence...
27 - The Native Indians...sorry mate think Rg's killed them all :(
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz took your advise and did some reading.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Oct 1983. Raul ALFONSIN elected president with a majority of 50% International observers found the elction to be free and fair. 1987. Reelected in a large turn out.
2. 1987. Carlos Menem elected president also with a 50% majority.
3. Oct 1999 Fernando de la Rua elected president.
The operative word here being “ELECTED” nowhere could I find any mention of “puppet regime installed by western world.”
If you embrace democracy you should understand one thing. More often than not, the people you elect do not deliver on the policies that got them elected. Yet you elected them, so you take responsibity for their Governments. It's not political science, it's common sense. If I vote a man or in to power and they are shit, I vote them out the next chance I get. I don't go round seeking to blame other people because they were shit, I live with it and get on with my life
@27 I'm happy we agree, as the oil is in the ocean and not on the islands...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Hahaha!!! Now the south americans killed the natives? Was that before or after we went to Africa to trade with human beings? I'm sure Europe had nothing to do with it...
26 GreekYoghurt
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argtards seem to take Nestor, KFC and Maximo to be their God-head”
I feel another North Korea coming on...no, no, no Iraq yes... definately Iraq.... No, no, no wait....Nazi Germany.... sorry. I keep getting them mixed up.
@30 read post 28
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ I'm happy we agree, as the oil is in the ocean and not on the islands...”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0One assumes that you're saying that because it is in the ocean rather than on the islands it somehow belongs to others? If it disqualifies the Falklanders from ownership then by the same logic it disqualifies everyone else.
However I am aware there's not a great deal of logic kicking around the region so I assume it's really something else.
@34 As the majority of the oil found in the southern Atlantic is outside the “Falklands” basin, you have no claim to that oil. The oil and gas reserves found within the basin belongs to the islanders, although researches shows that extracting it would give them a total income of -0.7B USD... Enjoy it!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So who does “own” it then and by what logic?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Guzz apologies, posted that before I read 28.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 I have no idea who owns the oil found on international waters, but this is not the case, is it...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's how it works, (In all cases of expropriations):
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Expropriate.
2. Start runing it the best you can,
3. Start slicing the cake to your “Con-padres...”
4. A simple story of corruption.
I assume you're trying to wangle the argument to mean they are within Argentine waters - even though they are over 200 miles from Argentine territory.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 or:
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Finance a military dictature
2. Borrow inmense ammount of cash to your con-padres in exchange for lucraticve contracts
3. Force country to privatize to pay debts
4. Sell privatized companies to foreign companies
5. A simple story of a sellout
years its going to be. We the argentinean people blame everything on KFC, Timmerman & the British (they do like to blame us alot).
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blame the brits? No we do nto care about the brits.Just leave us alone in the South atlantic,pricks!
34 As the majority of the oil found in the southern Atlantic is outside the “Falklands” basin, you have no claim to that oil. The oil and gas reserves found within the basin belongs to the islanders, although researches shows that extracting it would give them a total income of -0.7B USD... Enjoy it!
Sure ,exept the MAJORITY of OIL and GAs falls withing the EEZ of Argentina,350NM,so MAlvinas are INSIDE the continental shelf.....Not to mention the Neuquen basin,holding the 3rd largest shale and oil reserves in the worls.Too bad the brits imperialist will NOT have any,because they are IDIOTS,living in the past!BTW th eTierra del fuego, and San Jorge basin are the largest reservoirs in the Area.On the other side,uk can DO NOTHING without the Continental support from Argentina,just ask any off shore expert...
@42
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All that oil. Yet your economy is still in the shit.
@43 Argentine economy has almost doubled in the period of 2002-2011, with an expansion of 8.8% in 2011 only, so I'm not quite sure of what “shit” you are talking about...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which independent , non govermental journal, did you read that in. Oops silly me I forget, they are illegal.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Sorry, I was wrong, numbers are 9.2%, if you trust reuters...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/28/us-latam-summit-argentina-idUSTRE72R1XD20110328
“the MAJORITY of OIL and GAs falls withing the EEZ of Argentina,350NM,so MAlvinas are INSIDE the continental shelf.....”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what - you could claim Brazil with the same logic - why not have a go at that first?
I think it’s important to reflect upon the sincere goals stated by the Argentinean foreign ministry about national natural resource management policy: “The petroleum and fisheries management of the southern Atlantic sea basin is best facilitated by those most concerned about the best interests of all the inhabitants of the area. With the eventual taking of control of the Malvinas resources, the Argentine government will finally be able to prove that Argentina is committed to its Malvinas territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders. A peaceful and timely set of negotiations, need to start as soon as possible to resolve this troublesome misunderstanding exhibited by some misinformed contributers. President Cristina wants only the best for all of her national constituents including those living in the Malvinas.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 I agree, in a perfect world, Argentina would start the drilling in cooperation with the islanders and share the profits. As it is now, Argentina looses out on possible income and the islanders looses out on all income, as it will be impossible for them to drill without the support of SA... A loose-loose situation that brings naught but division.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the matter of YPF though, I firmly support Argentina, as they DO have the right to decide over their own natural resources, and not have to continue to pay for the sellout made by the junta.
...and who was it that denounced the agreement s to share oil revenue?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's simply not true that the oil cannot be extracted without Argentina.
Busy news day: It was announced today that the Argentine newly created ministry for the recovery of national patrimony and PetroChina, a 13-year-old Chinese company created by the Chinese government to secure more oil for that nation’s booming economy, have entered an agreement to jointly develop the petroleum reserves of YPF. PetroChina pumped 2.4 million barrels a day last year, surpassing Exxon by 100,000, and the Argentine government feel confident that the company will be able to provide the needed management, knowhow and capital to develop the underutilized YPF assets.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The company has grown rapidly over the last decade by squeezing more from China's aging oil fields and outspending Western companies to acquire more petroleum reserves in places like Canada, Iraq and Qatar. It's motivated by a need to lock up as much oil as possible,” according to today’s joint press release.
Oh! and just where did Reuters get the figures from? Government releases I suppose.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There isn't a hope in hell that Guzz isn't a La Campora Argtard. The fact you folks believe him when he says he's from Uruguay is unbelievable.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The nonsense he's spouting is straight from the Argsoc school textbooks, and the degree of venom to what he's saying makes it very unlikely that he doesn't have an emotional connection to this issue.
That's why he's so upset about the falklands, and that's why he's talking out of his hat about the need for Argentina in order to turn any oil fields into something profitable. It's utter nonsense.
Glad to see the Argtards are jumping into bed with the Chinese though.
@50 It's not impossible, it's just logistically not rentable, furthermore the net income will drop dramatically if the islanders have to do it by themselves. This is not taking into account the fact that the islands will only generate a positive income if the basins holds the amount of oil and gas as they EXPECT they do. Shell was there in 1998 and abandoned all plans of drilling, stating the expenses would be the same or more than the incomes...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What was the price of a barrel of oil in 1998 compared to today?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shale was not economically viable in the 90's either.
@54 So what? So what if there is no oil, just fishes and nice fresh air? So what?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does this mean that you as a fake-Uruguayan but really La Campora Argtard will have to get upset about something else? Ahh..didums.
I see your president wants to be president forever now, judging from the changes to the constitution that she ignores. Welcome to Argzimbabwe!
EFE 24 April 2012: In an exclusive interview with Argentine Interior Minister Florencio Randazzo, he mentioned that the first Chinese engineers could be arriving as early as next week to begin the new management transition planned for YPF. He is certain that the new agreement with the Chinese oil company to jointly develop YPF’s petroleum reserves will dramatically resolve the few doubts about the brilliant vision of President Cristina Fernandez. “It also serves a warning that there are consequences for those who are not willing to cooperate with the Argentine people and that further actions will be taken against foreign elements not willing to re-invest their profits back into the country.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anticipated production is highly optimistic and the benefits of the expropriated YPF petroleum will be absolutely important to future generations of Argentineans and Chinese.
@53 Are you trying to tell me where I come from? Don't you think that's kind of awkward? I am south american and uruguayan, in that order, hence my “emotional connection” to the issue. I also defend Venezuela kicking Exxon home to USA, doesn't make me venezuelan. I defend Chiles rights to their copper mines, doesn't make me chilean, defending Brazils right to Minas Gerais does not make me brazilian... You are chasing shadows
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 Agreed the price of a barrel has multiplied by 5, still noone knows how big reserves the island basins holds, and noone has found a reserve worth exploating yet... As I stated before (even though GreekYoghurt says I'm spitting venom), the most profittable solution for the islanders (and Argentina) is to work together on the matter.
@58 Guzz. I agree with you, the most profitable answer is for both parties to work togehter. However, how the islanders going to achieve that when the other party consistently denies their right to exist. Therein lies the conundrum.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or to let the Chinese take over the development with their management expertise and access to large amounts of capital needed to develop the fields as well as infrastructure which will require billions of dollars.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is the small matter of developing an infrastructure for oil production, to a nation that built the Great Wall. A mere trifle. The Chinese only have to say it will be done and it will be and in double quick time too.
@56 My President is an oldish man full of honour and rightly deserved pride. You better not mention anything about him, because you WILL loose the argument. And I don't see why a sovereign nation can't change its referendum, as long as the requirements needed for the changes are met, or do you think Argentina needs to ask for your permission, mayhap?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Nobody denies the right of existance of the islanders, SA denies the british claim to the islands, not the islanders themselves...
Guzz : Now the south americans killed the natives? Was that before or after we went to Africa to trade with human beings? I'm sure Europe had nothing to do with it...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the words “ Campania del desierto ” mean anything to you ?
Mitre & Roca conscripted as many freed African slaves as they could and send them south under Criollo officers to kill all the Indians .
Double genocide ... Very RG
RG's are Europeans , or so you keep telling us .
42 :) leave the Falklands alone & we'll the your backward country alone.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 061. Not sure about the chinese, they seem to like their own workers far to much (look at africa).
”the most profittable solution for the islanders (and Argentina) is to work together on the matter.“
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such agreements were already in place until Nestor tore them up.
Now Argentina will not even talk to the FIG and the only item on their agenda with London is ”when are you going to give us the Falklands?”
That isn't going to happen. Argentina may as well ask for the Moon.
@63 I've never heard of Campaña del desierto, although I don't doubt it is true. Sadly, we had to suffer 180 years of post-colonialism where the same attrocities were made by the new rulers as by the Europeans. Does the name Jose Gervasio Artigas mean anything to you? Simon Bolivar? Jose de San Martin?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vast majority of the south americans agree with the views of these Libertadores, and not with the views of the murderers of natives that did little more than continue the politics of the Europeans, with the sole exception that the gold went to their own pockets instead of abroad...
Guzz.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it then that, you disagree that the right to self determination and the right to exist, are in fact one and the same thing. That I can only live the way I am told to live and not the way I choose to live.
#61 RC My point exactly.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ahhhh! sometimes its good to be british >_< Slave trade act 1807, need i say more?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 Impressive that line comes from a brit, is that something you learned from centuries of depriving people their right to self-determination? No, as I see it, I've read both claims to the islands, and in my opinion, Argentinas makes more sense. Actually, the only ones in the world that thinks Britain are right in their claims, are the brits themselves... In my views, the islanders have the option of being argentinians or simply pack their bags and go home, if they feel so british.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Note this is my personal opinion and not a route to as it should be done...
70. Sadly, we had to suffer 180 years of post-colonialism...then what a series of dictators right up to CFK? What a ridiculous statement!! How embarrassing!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps one day the Falkland Islands would like to be an independent nation and a member of the Commonwealth immediately recognised by 50 countries?
@71 Indeed, you think it's an arguement about us versus them. I got news for you, there are a lot of “them” within our own borders, and that has historically been our biggest issues, not until recent days have we been able to remove the poison that held SA on its knees for 600 years.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you should know by now, almost all SA countries are socialists nowadays, and have been so for about 10 years. Before that, we had true rough capitalism ruling our lands, with all that comes with it.
Nowadays though, we have imprisoned those responsable for past crimes (not all yet, but they will come), and we are finally moving our countries in the directions we choose ourselves.
The product of this can be fully appreciated in the economic booms that SA have experienced the last decade, amazingly timed with the installment of the new governments.
I do not care where the poison comes from, I will fight it wherever it may be.
@70 Guzz.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go again. Missing the point. This has absolutely nothing to do with the the claims of the Brits and everything to do with the claims of the Falkland Islanders. Your fond of quoting historical precedence, yet you ignore the fact the Islanders have lived there for nearly two centuries, citing the Brits has depriving other pepoles right to self determination and in the same breath, denying them to the Islanders. I would also disagree with you (suprisingly) that the rest of the world does not think that the Islanders are right in their in their claim to their home. The rest of the world is a big place.
@68. Chicureo
I have read that the Argentine Government have provided assurances on other mmatters of minor detail. Such has dietary requirements and multi lingual road signing. Though I am not so sure how much creedence the Chinese will set by these assurances.
Christina is the best president
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has had in years lets hope she keeps up the good work and turns Argentina into an independent economy. We still have a lot to do let's not stop at YPF.
74, Are Chile, Per or Colombia Socialist? That is going to be a surprise to The USA and them. Are you for real?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only truly Socialist countries are the ones that are on the brink of failure, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Argentina. Nice group your are associated with...loser
First the Latinos murder their way across a continent. Next they claim they are being opressed by their colonial masters (ie themselves) and then they blame everyone but themselves for every incident or scenario created by their own government that is not to their liking.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You couldn't make this stuff up - it's incredible.
This quote I particularly like:
“Actually, the only ones in the world that thinks Britain are right in their claims, are the brits themselves”
...is that why the OAS made no statement on the matter last week?
The truth is that very few other nations could care less one way or the other.
So guys, who do we think Guzz is? Is it tobias or another one of the La Campora Funky-bunch? I don't think we're far from figuring it out.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm thinking it's possibly Wannabe-argtard.
It's called nationalization. It doesn't work. The companies end up with too many employees, become unproductive and ultimately fail. The Russians and the Chinese have seen the light and have abandoned this type of governance.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it is okay if you want to become a country like Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea.
@74
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typing errot. That should read. ”the rest of the would does not think that the islanders are NOT right in their claim to their home
Yankeeboy. Think your fingers have the same problem as mine, I think you emant to reply to post 73. By the way who inhabited the South Areica in 1412.
Oops yeah shb 73. It's easy to see when I'm typing on a phone...those fonts get smaller every year dam them
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Know exactly what you mean.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#74 RC
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes the Argentine Government will be using trilingual road signing for the Malvinas as well as special camps for the Chinese oil workers during the development of tanker terminals there.
@74 Well, it's not a big surprise that the islanders ties themselves to the brits, and a lie does not become truth just because the time passes or because you repeat it to yourself enough times.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give the islanders the right of self-determination then, make them a sovereign nation, drop the “commonwealth” crap, only brits thinks that belonging to the commonwealth equals self-determination.
You could argue that SA belongs to the natives, and I would not disagree with you, but there is a big difference: the SA countries are TRULY self-determinating, and not undermined by any foreign interests.
Argentina declared its independence from Spain 1816, at the time (from 1811) there was a plaque asserting Spanish sovereignity, thus, when Argentina freed themselves from the spaniards, the isles came in the package (uti possidetis juris), not to mention natural law.
Tell me of 1 single nation that supports the british claims, I can tell you of a whole continent supporting Argentinas claims...
How many more times, Falkland Islanders claims.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know about Europe, but it seems China, in light of their new agreement today, is wholly supporting Argentinas claims.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Dad once took a leak in a field in Italy.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess once he died that field belonged to me.
@76 My dear Uruguay is led by a Tupamaro, I would most certainly call it a socialist country, the same goes for Brazil. Perus president is a confessed follower of Juan Velasco politics, thus I would define him as socialist. Paraguays president is most certainly socialist. Add those 4 you mentioned to the list and you'll end up with 8 out of ten countries being led by a more or less socialist regime. And this is only because Piñera won the elections in Chile, before that it was 9 out of ten.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only Colombia (Israel of America) upholds your interests in the continent...
84. Natural law? & as for “uti possidetis juris” that only works in south america, its not international law :p
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 086. China is going to support argentina, because self-determination really isn't something a country like china likes the idea of. ask the people they invaded
....or Taiwan!?!?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89 Well, british claim 1833 was not at all supported by international laws, now that you bring it up...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your issue is not who China supports, it's where China puts her money, and it would seem it is ending up in SA and Africa...
88. Ahhh it our friend Ogara!! Funny how you say more or less and I said truly SOCIALIST do you think that is why I didn't put them on MY LIST? Nice way to circumvent a debate but try again. Peru, Colombia, Chile are STRONG US allies and believe me we don't have truly socialist gov'ts as friends. A little FTA with Uruguay and Brazil and we will again control SA but the question is.... do we want it?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have just had an epifany (probably spelled wrong) A wonderfully mind blowing revelation. In 1969 the Americans left a plaque on the moon, correct. You do realise what this means, don't you. Tonight go out into your back garden and look up at the moon. You will be looking at the 53rd state of the United States of Americ! I do not know why it never occurred to me before.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 091. thats funny because Argentina wasn't a country in 1833 :p
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 092. Ogara?
Guzz
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you're so sure of the Argentine claim under international law then how is it that 180 years later Argentina hasn't used it to gain control of its obsession?
93. Everyone knows the USA owns the moon and everything else we have explored I think our little ship is somewhere out past Pluto now..oh wait maybe its everything the hubble can see...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#89 Well I imagine its the oil that is the primary reason for support. I'm sure that the soy production is second.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#91 And now a lot of money to support CFK's nationalization of YPF.
@92 Try gaining control of your own country for a starter...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea whatsoever what socialism is, obviously, as a yank you are afraid of the very word and in your ears socialism = communism = terrorism = narco barons.
Socialism is an economic system that is based on social ownership, a fact that does not exclude the possibility of private ownership, that would be communism...
FTA? Is that Fairy Tale Adventure you are referring to?
That's right Argentina must take control of its natural resources and British taxpayer should stop sending their money to a small group of fellow citizens enjoying the good life 8000 miles away.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain in double-dip recession
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9225414/Britain-in-double-dip-recession-as-growth-falls-0.2pc.html#disqus_thread
@97 chicureo
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure if China recognises their claim to the Falklands, then it is only a matter of time beforethey recognise Chinas claim to Tibet, or do they already recognise it?
In reference to the multi ligual sign posting, I envisage a heated arguement on the floor of the Argentinian Senate, as to which language goes at the top.
@94 Argentina declared itself independent from Spain July 9, 1816. Read before you post.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93 & 96 If you feel the moon belongs to USA.... what can I say, go ahead, claim it :)
Now she wants the goasts to help her out of the situation. Typically.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All her living partners are incompetent but HE is the right one. Why doesn´t she follow him do look down on her mess?
98. You're probably not up to recent events; US State has started talks with Brazil and Uruguay for a FTA only a fairy tale l in your feeble brain.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah I know the evils of Govt owned enterprises too bad you don't ...fly Aerolinas Argentina recently? Did you land with both wings?
#98 “Socialism is an economic system that is based on social ownership, a fact that does not exclude the possibility of private ownership, that would be communism...” Which would be CHINA.....???? I'm confused...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who's socialist? Sweden or Poland? France or Italy? What is Argentina? Sort of taking the North Korean route if you ask me....
#99 Well now with the Chinese agreement, a large percentage of the oil production and shared revenues will be sent to Beijing. How many miles far away is that?
97. its weird how coloinal china has become?. Good old fashioned coloinalism, not the US kind, more likened to what we (the british) did in the 19th century.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 096 yankeeboy “ Everyone knows the USA owns the moon”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you talking about your bald head Fred B.?
@101 Guzz
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re the moon. Simply applying your logic.
And here is just one of the many reasons for CFK to be considered the best president Argentina has had in years, not the EU, USA, UK, IMF nor WTO could destroy the good work Christina is doing in Argentina my hats off to her good work and perseverance, presidents like her only come up once in a millenia, Argentine's better enjoy it while it lasts.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Www.en.mercopress.com/2012/04/22/argentina-february-economic-activity-expands-5.2-but-surprises-ahead-for-industry
I just love to pick holes. Let's start with our beloved editors at MercoPress. Have you tried looking up what “vindicated” means? You can use it when incontrovertible EVIDENCE has been produced. Has the Black Widow presented any evidence?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Looks like a shag slag to me!
@11 See above.
@15 Prove it.
@17 Do you enjoy being a pillock, or do you just like self-harm?
@22 You mean argies borrowed billions at the behest of a “government” that no longer existed, put it in their pockets and ran away? And who exactly is responsible for that? Could it be....greedy argies?
@25 You're what? Uruguayan? And the moon is made of piebald cheese.
@28 Argie propaganda. Better if you tried to sound as though you were Uruguayan.
@31 Are you not laying claim to being “south american”? Willing to admit that you're a European thief, murderer, rapist and genocide are you?
@35 If “the majority of the oil found in the southern Atlantic is outside the “Falklands” basin,” what are you bothered about? Bear in mind that anything found within the Falklands EEZ belongs to the Islanders.
@41 Prove your assertions.
@42 Sorry, you can't claim 350 nm. It's illegal. You can claim up to the median between you and a foreign territory.
@44 No. INDEC says argie economy has doubled. Argieland won't provide data to IMF. Therefore INDEC lies.
@48,49 Argie propaganda and lies. Argies only know how to lie and steal.
@51 Funny. Thought they were after Brazilian expertise. Desperation.
@57 That's good. The Chinese will be shipping off as much as possible, leaving argies with a bare minimum.
@58 Smoke and mirrors. Argie smoke and mirrors. Uruguay. The argie poodle. Work with argieland? That's a joke, right.
@62 “Your” president is an incapable, demented dotard.
@66 But it wasn't YOU, was it? Do you wash often? Blood still won't come off, will it?
@70 Return to argie propaganda (lies).
@75 CFK? President of the dog-shit club.
@78 Surely “Guzz” is short for “Guzzler”? An argie elitist thief!
@103 Uruguay signed the TIFA back in 2007 with USA aswell, what impact did it make? We can sign 2 thousand papers you put in front of us, but we will never trade with you like we trade within SA or with China...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101. i think your'll find the United Provinces of the Rio da la Plata, legally spaeking isn't argentina.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@109 You getting upset??
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@111 Correction, proper name would be United Provinces of South America, still to this day one of the legal names for Republica de Argentina...
111. Cornishhair. Since when did they bother about a tiny little thing like legality?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TIFA isn't FTA and with that old commie/terrorist coming in right after we signed it was put on the back burner...my my you try to change the story don't you...btw it was Uruguay and Brazil that approached us within the last month not the other way around...now what?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rumors are that MORE of the Soy crop was destroyed during a freeze last night.
BAhahahahaha it's the only think anyone wants from there!! hahahha better go find another company to take Telefonica anyone?
Regardless the name change, Argentina got the name of Argentina 1831, 2 years before the brits claimed the Malvinas...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0112. lol :) yes because Urguay is still part of Argentina, must of missed that one. To be honest im surpired argentina hasn't tryed to invade urguay in resent history.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116 Uruguay gained independency from Spain/Argentina in 1825 only to get invaded by the Portuguese (Brazil), of whom we gained independency 3 years later, 1828.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does that have to do with anything???
117 about as much as your arguements about the the falklands do. Its called history, it all has very little to do with the modern world. No-one in the falklands has anything to do with the what happened in 1833, they don't want to be controlled by argentina so stop with the bull or would you be happy with argentina telling you what to do :p
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG this gets better and better...It's gonna be cold in BA this winter..
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0google translated from Lancion Let's see warm houses or factpries running..which do you choose unemployed people or freezing
HAHAHAHA
... a shortfall of 13 to 15 LNG vessels between May and August, which means an average of 10 million cubic meters of gas less in the system.
If you can not plug that hole with new purchases trial, the Government would not that choice but to apply a minimum daily supply cuts equivalent to 8% of demand in winter.
Another problem facing not less Kirchner administration are increasing prices to record deliveries of LNG to the market of the South Atlantic.
@118 Repeating a lie enough times does not make it truth, british claim was illegal back in 1833, and still is.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders may be the rightful inhabitants of the islands, but Argentina has the sovereignity.
As for the YPF, like it or not, it belongs to Argentina aswell. Shout, cry, spit or condemn, but do so on your way home :)
120. ahhh! brian washed people are so much fun. I think your find the Argentinean settlement was illegal in 1833 so it matter not.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#100 RC In the agreement announced today, China acknowledges that the Malvinas rightfully belong to the Argentine people. The Argentinean minister present reiterated the strong fraternal alliance with China and mentioned that both the island of Formosa as well as the Tibetan regions rightfully were an undeniable part of the People’s Republic of China. He further mentioned that the Dali Llama was not welcome in Argentina and would not be granted a visa.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#108 You know PH, you're making sense. With the new agreement of a barter commodities swap for Tupolev aircraft and now the Chinese co-management of YPF, CFK's vision is breathtaking.
Letting BA freeze would be a great slap to CFk by Repsol...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone think if they don't have gas to heat their homes or cook their food they'll get rid of CFK? Or will they just live with it and pile the dead on the corners like they do when the garbage workers are on strike?
lol brain washed#
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@119 ??? You obviously think Argentina is facing its first cold winter... ever? Got news for you, Patagonia weather reports suggest it's going to be cold there aswell, as bloody always :)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay faces droughts and floods, EVERY year... Hasn't stopped the little country to grow economically for the past decade...
@121 Glad you enjoy yourself!!
125, No I don't but it might be the 1st year with out Natural Gas in the last 100...Brrrr maybe can you burn Soyoil instead? Maybe Chile or Brazil has some to spare...do you think they will take Pesos? I don't hahahahaha
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126 Natural Gas 100 years ago??? are you for real???? HAHAHAHAHA
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are some interesting comments in this thread. There are clearly many people who believe that the emerging markets are going to start ruling the world and that old world leaders like America, western Europe, etc. are history. I do find this interesting in that commodities-based economies are supported by exporting their “stuff” to China, who then makes other “stuff” that's sold (after having been innovated and/or invented in the First World) to the First World. If there's little to no innovation or invention in the emerging economies, how can they then become the new world leaders? Also, if China has a billion have-nots, and about 700 million of them are SERIOUS have-nots, what per-capita government expenditure will need to take place to get those serious have-nots into the middle-class...$15K, $20K? Sooner or later those serious have-nots are going to get sick of not having a dishwasher or car and something very serious is going to happen.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0122. Agentina supports China on Tibet, now thats just wrong! nice to see the argentinean gov supporting colonialism lol
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'uti posseditis' is legal under international law. I'll give you an example of this principle at work.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argtardia annexes Falklands in a military invasion. UK comes and wins the land back. Argtardia surrenders. UK, by uti posseditis now owns the land that it possessed at the end of the conflict, i.e. the Falkland Islands.
It's that simple.
@128 They have started ruling the world, you just came late to the class... For the effects, my guess is as good as yours...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126 aaaaAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA * pauses* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha *breathes* AAAAAAAHAHAHAHahahaha
Oh sorry when did you get it 1978 when you got color TV? We've have had nat gas into homes since mid 1800 not you, sorry, how many years were you behind the civilized world 50? 75? How far are you behind now 25-30?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@132 mmmmm.... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Guzz is having a breakdown brought on by years of telling lies, and suddenly realising the lies are in fact ... lies.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No he is just sad he lives in a place where they don't have heat or will be able to have cooked food in May/June. I wonder if they'll have community Parrillas on the corners...all that smoke tho...can't be good and no medicine for lung cancer. My oh my what to do what to do
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 Stick to your truth and I stick to mine, lets see what the future brings :) Good luck
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@132 ofc we used natural gas, as a source of light, but I take it you got pipelines for transportation and heating back in 1850? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You crack me up!!!!
EU is bankrupt and going into a recession as UK and now USA thanks to all the desperate trashing of the only healthy economies in the world, enjoy the euro corralito, and we hope they learn something from the hole they dug for themselves. What a joke this people are not even pest are as annoying.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Www.en.mercopress.com/2012/04/22/argentina-february-economic-activity-expands-5.2-but-surprises-ahead-for-industry
one of the first lengthy pipelines was built in 1891 -it was 120 miles long and carried gas from fields in central Indiana to Chicago...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should do some research before you have to back-peddle or do you like to imitate your Ruler?
137. lol you do know if the EU goes down, it takes the world with it :) M.A.D would be a good way of thinking about it.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137 But they have natural gas, in fact, they've been using it to heat houses since 1850!!! Would you imagine? The rest of the world started around 1960... That's what I call a developed nation!!! HAHAHAHAHAHahahahaha
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All: Hey you might find this interesting, I had no clue things had been planned a long time ago.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chinese workers arrive for Petro China plant
By Felicia Garcia, April 25, 2012
FIFTY more Chinese workers are expected to enter the country by mid-May while 57 last week entered to begin the preliminary design work on the PetroChina Patagonia Complex.
Unknown to the public, the company had arranged for 70 Chinese workers to enter Argentina with work visas by the end of the year. But PetroChina’s communications manager, Huao Chin said that on April 13 and 15, a total of 57 workers arrived. Chin said, “On Tuesday, 11 workers with the China Machinery and Equipment Import and Export Corporation (CMEC) came in and on Thursday 46 came in. So there are 57 in all and there were already about nine on the site.” Chin added “We anticipate that by the middle of June there would be another 50 or so, once the visas and work permits are processed.” The workers will be housed temporarily off-site until the work camp is constructed on the site. “We have not yet started construction on the temporary work site and CMEC has secured housing for the workers in Buenos Aires,” he said. However, the Argentina Environmental Management Authority has already approved the certificate of environmental clearance for the work camp. Currently, pre-construction works are continuing on the site. “Dynamic compaction has to happen before piling and several truckloads of aggregates have already been delivered to the site. The compaction is expected to begin in August,” Chin said. he added that there was no delay in construction. The additional workers were welcomed on the site by the Chinese Ambassador to Argentina, Huang Xing.
@138 Do your own research, what was that pipeline for? Natural gas for heating did not start world-wide (with the exception of USA, they started in the middle ages) until after the WWII.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You yanks are funny!!! Cheers for making my day :)
142. Was I a few years off? Ooops sorry, will you still be cold this winter...yep..
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor little Guzzy brrr ask a Flalkander to send you some sheep skins to keep you warm...btw like the rest of the world they don't take pesos.
@143 If you call 110+ years a few, then yes, you were a few years off :)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And don't worry should the winter hit Argentina hard, whole SA takes pesos, so does China... You should be more worried about your dollars. Oh wait, you have none left, China is sitting on them all :)
This has been most enjoyable, mayhap a tad too easy, but hey, you can't get it all. For now, I salute and thank you for making my day :) Take care
@142 Guzz, there wasn't really much international law in the early 1800s, and it doesn't matter if the Argentinians did live there at that time, we kicked you off the island before any laws or resolutions were made on 'land grabbing', so therefore you have no legal basis to take back our islands. Also, get your facts right on no-one supporting the UK over the FALKLANDS, quite a lot of the EU, some Asian countries, most of Oceania, and eventually in time the US will start to support us more since Argentina keeps on acting erraticly towards other countries and undermining their economies. Argentina has no right taking anything from other businesses as it is considered 'unlawful' by most. :)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@145 Uruguay has never claimed the Malvinas. “Your” islands? You should tell that to your country-men, they seem to think the islanders are self-determinating...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0141 Chicureo (#)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear that there is a slight problem over the trilingual signs, I believe the Chinese want Chinese first followed by Spanish whereas Argentina insists on Spanish first. There is talk of going to arbitration if they can find an acceptable arbitrator.
114. Is the peso trading at 6/1 yet? Do you think it will be another month or just a couple of weeks before it breaks that level?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW don't know if you have traveled outside of Arg since 2001 BUT NOBODY TAKES PESOS>>>>NOBODY
@145 I'm talking about Argentina, not Uruguay. Sorry if my English isn't up to scratch. Anyway I just want to make a point in saying that the biggest issue facing all countries is China. They're trying to take over the world with cheap and crap goods that break all the time, and they're communists. Therefore we should just eradicate them lol. The islanders are self-determining but they are still ours technically. They can decide if they want to leave, but that's 100% unlikely as they wouldn't want to be associated with scum like CFK's government.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@148Yankeeboy
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks not strictly right. The Bank of Toyland accepts them, but only pays dividends in Candy at a rate of 5 pesos the the Candy Cane.
I wonder if the RGs truly understand what allowing China into their country will do?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with getting into 'bed' with China is that you have to play by their rules, or not at all.
Most of the oil and gas will be heading for China, with Argentina being paid a minimum price for it, that's almost a certainty. I also wouldn't advise the RG government to attempt to 'nationalise' the Chinese oil company, when things don't go their way, as the Chinese would b!tch-slap Argentina into the dark ages.
And once China are in Argentina, it maybe more difficult than you think to get rid of them. I envision in a few years a Chinese military base or two being established, and the Argentine government will be taking orders from Beijing.
Still, it may be for the best. The Chinese will at least run the country properly and without all the hysterionics.
Having looked at a few English and Spanish speaking newsites (via Google Translate) I notice there are alot more Spaniards posting anti Argie posts than before.Talk about stirring up the hornets nest.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for British Kirchnerist if he is British I can only assume that he is a spotty ,pimply, 13 year old with some sort of strange fetishist crush on KFC involving black clothes and bondage material.Is there any rational explanation for such strange behaviour.
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Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can back Chinese at the next future as we are POW (Pluto Ordinance Warriors) said in our original language(TOL--Tuhanlo Ohr Laht).
Always remember ..the Computer Technology was imposed by us to the World by way of USA.
In the our next technologies, we can impose some of them to the world by way of China.
Lahre Septz arn tvanse berre tohnere.
#147 Simon
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It all a part of working in a dynamic international community. Airline operating equipment manuals in Russian, communicating with Chinese managing engineers in Mandarin and trying to fathom the illogical Justicialism policy created by Peronismo...
@154 Tobias, I thought it was you.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#155 GY Actually I'm just sharing the new reality that CFK has finally revealed the depth of her brilliant plan to develop the costly and technically challenging YPF oil shale fields. The woman is amazing.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beijing, April 24 (PRCNA) – Luigi Gatti, Argentine Special Representative Liaison to the People’s Republic of China, met and had a talk in a friendly atmosphere with the visiting delegation of the Chinese People's Association for Peace and Disarmament led by its Vice-President Li Wuwei, vice-chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, at Mansudae Assembly Hall on Tuesday.
The head of the delegation offered warm congratulations to President Cristina Fernandez on her successful repatriation of YPF holdings back under rightful control of the Argentine people.
Noting that the Chinese people recollect with deep emotion the efforts made by leader Cristina Fernandez for the strengthening and development of Sino-Argentine friendship, he added that the bilateral friendship is developing as the days go by under the deep care of the supreme leaders of the two parties and the two countries.
He wished the Argentine people greater successes in the building of a thriving nation, united close behind the spirit of Justicialismo headed by President Fernandez.
He expressed the will to join the Argentine and Chinese comrades together in making positive efforts to boost the friendly ties between two countries.
@151 Getting cheap resources from “3rd world” countries is your expertise, the chinese actually pay for the goods, not only that, they are also building car factories around SA, investing more money in theregion last few years than you guys ever did
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Building military bases is another of your expertises, China is not known for this behaviour...
As a matter of fact, everything you mention is common behaviour of the western world, don't try to blaim the chinese for it...
@112 & 115 The British laid claim to the Falkland Islands long before Argentina became a nation. Historical fact not made up mumbo jumbo.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@141 How long will it be before the Argentine government screws around with the Chinese as they have done with the British, EU, USA? The problem is that Argentina is a country full of individuals that lack honour and do not keep agreements. Just look at 1850 - deny, lie, cheat and make up a twisted version ofhistory to keep the population at fever pitch.
Now if Argentina had been colonized by the British they would have been tought to play cricket and 'stick to the rules'.
@158 Britain has a history of slave trading, colonialism and murder. Thank good SA aren't a bit like you :)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your rules are; you first, you second and you third, then the rest of the world, except when it comes to lick the boots of USA...
@159 Game, set and match.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@160 Tell me, was it the same “honour” that led you to lie to the world in order to illegally invade a sovereign country for the single purpose of taking their oil, killing thousands of womwn and children in the process?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know all about your “honour”...
@ 161
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had been colonized by the British instead of the Spanish you would have ended up like the USA, Canada or Australia. You would be a member of the Commonwealth of nations and easily top dogs in SA.
The problem with the Spanish was that they gave parcels of colonized lands to their rich patrons which included ownership of the natives and poor settlers to rule over whereas the British gave land to all the settlers and encouraged them to make something of it. And they did...
@162 I would have preferred both the spaniards and the britons stayed at home, instead of sacking a whole continent...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is that “honour” you were talking about?
Let me repeat the question;
Was it the same “honour” that led you to lie to the world in order to illegally invade a sovereign country for the single purpose of taking their oil, killing thousands of women and children in the process?
nothing short than Daylight robbery!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0163. Might is Right.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus can you please tell me what oil you keep harping on and on about? As far as I know the USA has very little ( if any) interest in the Iraqi oil fields. If it were up to me would have confiscated them pumped them until all the oil payed back our war debt but unfortunately that's not our style. Now they have clean running water, nice highways, good sanitation etc etc all thanks to the good ol USA.
@162 “I would have preferred both the spaniards and the britons stayed at home, instead of sacking a whole continent.”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We're all hoping you're a native american, otherwise you're the world's biggest hypocrite.
“Was it the same “honour” that led you to lie to the world in order to illegally invade a sovereign country for the single purpose of taking their oil, killing thousands of women and children in the process?”
You'd have to ask your argentinian countrymen, because that's what they did to patagonia, etc. Just open the door and ask one of them.
We're all hoping you're a native american, otherwise you're the world's biggest hypocrite.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA1
166,ignorant yogurt!!1
Buenos Aires was founded by Spain,in 1536,Nothing was there.At most there were 300000 natives at their arrival,in the whole Argentina..killed?/ No we are not brits!Selling opium,killing maoris,zulus,hindus,etc..poor deluded brits
Guzzy, I heard Mate is cheaper in Europe! Is that true? Even though you make about 1/4 of what an avg European does? WOW how much % of your salary is spent on tea?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW peso is down again today...what do you think that will do to your gas bill.... if they can supply it that is? Will it go up another 500%?
Does soy oil burn in those old hurricane lamps? They give you a little heat too...
@165 Might is right? Tell that to the chinese...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@166 I am a hypocrite because I am of the opinion that what the Europeans did towards the American continent is out of order? Me being a descendant of the spaniards doesn't justify the attrocities commited, I beg your pardon.
About the “honour”, I ask you because you guys are the ones calling yourself “honourable”, havent seen any SA mentioning “honour”...
The Chinese will be old and poor waaay before they become a world power and that's only if they can keep their provinces together.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The killing girl babies is turning out to be a little problematic in the long run for them. They have 1 working person supporting 5 pensioners now and it is going to get even worse in the coming decades.
Where is that “” Mata Hari“” Think ?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Max it's Toby's job today! Can't you see that? @ $1 post it adds up if have have too many people on-line at the same time....and they probably have band width limitations too.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@172 You are a yank, you have no credability whatsoever in the eyes of the world.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tell you what, you better start making your hummers edible, you'll need it in the long run :)
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175. We export more food than any other country and have since our founding..why would we have to eat cars? I would think Arg will be starving long before we would be...and if we are ever in such a state the world would be a very ugly place indeed....
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@173 So you're a hypocrite then. It's settled. You accuse others, but you yourself are the descendent of people guilty of genocide. And now you're becoming the dogs-leg of the Chinese, simply because you're incapable of anything.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You La Campora tards are so furking stupid, that you make me laugh. I cannot wait to see Maximo get into power and see you all marching up and down while you salute him. It's going to be hilarious.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has hit out at Argentina and China after their governments announced today that the seized petroleum reserves of a Spanish-controlled energy firm would now be developed by PetroChina and the Sinopec Group. “It was all in bad faith as they seem to have planned stealing it all along...” the Foreign Secretary was quoted.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina earlier had sent shock waves through the oil industry by announcing plans to nationalise local oil assets controlled by Spanish company Repsol.
Mr Hague warned the move by President Cristina Fernadez to take over a large part of YPF, the country's biggest oil company, was part of a wider protectionist agenda and that her eventual strategy was to seize the Falklands offshore petroleum fields as well.
Mr Hague's criticisms come as it has been reported the takeover scuppers years of planning by China's Sinopec Group to buy YDF.
Sources told Chinese website Caixin.com that Sinopec had held talks with Repsol to buy its controlling 57% stake in YPF.
Caixin.com cited a source as saying Sinopec, China's second-largest oil company, had reached a non-binding agreement to take over YPF for more than £9bn.
The Caixin.com report said Sinopec was still in talks with Repsol to buy YPF despite the nationalisation threat and the Financial Times said Repsol had not informed Argentina of the discussions with the Chinese oil firm. PetroChina that it was announced today would be spearheading the new reorgaization of YPF had no comment.
@177 Hague is quite right. Her M.O. is hardly transparency and she's clearly been discussing this and planning the theft with the Chinese for a considerable period of time.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian morality is oxymoron.
@176 At least I have the descency to admit the attrocities made by my ancestors, and I have never defended them, hence I do not feel guilty. You, in the other case, blindly defend not only the attrocities made by your ancestors, but also made by your country to this day. And I'm the hypocrite? If you do laugh, it's the laughter of a madman...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We went from being the dog-legs of USA and America, to be equals of the chinese, chew on it.
What is it they say about oriental cunning. Devious, devious blighters! straight out of the pages of a Fu Man Chu novel
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@179 No you do not. Your ancestors invaded the falklands in order to grow it's empire, and you don't admit that at all.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You, like all argtardians have absolutely no decency at all. Moreover, no one trusts a word any of you say, because you have no honour.
Now you're the dog-leg of the chinese. Get used to it.
@177 chicureo
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mate, when you joined the navy, you missed your calling. Did you ever consider a career in the entertainment industry. Seriously, Monty Python would have accepted you with open arms, “And now for something completely different!” roll credits.
179. If not for the Europeans we still be hunting and grazing, look at current Africa and by a lesser extent SA, they don't have running water and decent sewage system in many largely populated areas!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For gosh sakes every day they are asking me to donate to find water in Africa but my thought is, if that's where the first people came from umpteen millennial ago for sure they've had to enough time to find their own water and if not let them die if they're not smart enough to fend for themselves too bad.
@181 You invade sovereign countries, kill their leaders, torture innocent people, finance dictatoreships, trade with human beings, kill entire civilizations, steal natural resources, assassinate women and children, then you have the guts to speak about decency and honour???
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are about to be our dog-legs, get used to THAT :)
Hmm China already running into opposition from the EU over the potential investment in YPF. I doubt they want to be tied up in EU courts over a relatively large investment they won't see anything from for at least 10 yrs. BTW I also heard Brazil may have a problem with it too...shhh don't tell CFK yet.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@184
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to add bubonic plague, cancer and aids. Other than that, you seem to have covered it all.
@184 Just one second...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[Argtards] invade sovereign countries, kill their leaders [tribesmen], torture innocent people [french nuns], finance dictatorships [KFC], trade with human beings [Spain], kill entire civilizations [Natives], steal natural resources [YPF], assassinate women and children [dirty war], then [they] have the guts to speak about decency and honour???
Yep, it seems you're talking about yourselves again.
@187 you invade sovereign nations (Irag, Afghanistan), kill their leaders (Saddam Hussein), finance dictatoreships (Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, Nicaragua, Chile, Uruguay....), trade with human beings (Senegal, Congo, Nigeria....), kill entire civilizations (natives in SA, NA, Australia.....), steal natural resources (Iraq, Afghanistan, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Panama.....), assassinate women and children (basically the whole “3rd world” countries, with few exceptions).... Nope, I'm talking about YOU
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't matter now though, the tide has changed, and you are slow and steadily moving towards bankrupcy.
It warms my heart to hear you cry, as it tells me you are aware of it too :) Have a pleasant day!!
@187 Looked like you were talking about Argtardia.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bankruptcy? Are you talking about Argtardian Moral Bankruptcy? I think that's already too late, you got there as a nation many many moons ago.
I'm not crying, I'm laughing. keep it up, tardo.
Crying! ye gods man, tis the sound of hysterical laughter, that assails your delicate ears.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@189 What part of “I am from Uruguay” didn't you understand? Let me split it up for you, to make it more clear; I, as in me, first person singular. AM, from the verb “to be”. FROM, stating an origin. URUGUAY, a small country in South America. Got it now?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless what you say, you can't escape the fact that the world economy is moving from Europe and USA to China, and China is using your dollars and pounds sterlings to induce SA and African economies, no matter how much it hurts your feelings :)
@191 which part of 'you're a la campora liar' do you struggle with? Let me make it simple for you. You work for Maximo, beating up journalists that say bad things about his mum. Then you come online and tell lies, like most Argtards.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite simple to understand.
191. You do understand that China has 1000s of banks failing and whole provinces in uprising right...its one huge bubble about to burst..and when it does they will fly through their reserves buying food and fuel to keep it all together..... Revolutions is in the air and the recent coup attempt was only the 1st...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What part of Uruguay? Do you have running water and modern sanitation it gets a little dicey if you are not in MDV or PDE.
@192 You seem to have this obsessive need of me being from Argentina. Compulsive behaviour? Mayhap it helps if you take your vitamins...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tomorrow we are making new plans as to where to invest all these new dollars and pounds sterlings, as we will see to what EU/US company is next on the line to get kicked out empty-handed from our countries... Aaah, life is wonderful :)
That is quite simple to understand aswell, isn't it :))
@188 guzz.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Far to many allegations to address at once. So lets take saddam insane.
We did not kill him, he was tried by Iraqis for crimes committed against Iraqis. He was convicted and executed by them. Admittedly they did botch the execution. Now a good old fashioned British hangman would have snapped his neck cleanly. Ah nostalgia for the good old days. Still we are civilized now and no longer indulge in the barbaric practice of capital punishment.
@195 You people always let others pull the trigger, it doesn't make you less guilty. History will say you illegally invaded Iraq and hang Saddam. Period.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tried in an iraqi court, convicted by iraqis, punished by iraqis. You would deny them their justice for a cheap shot at the Brits. I thought you were the self styled champion of the oppressed and all the this time, it transpires you select which oppressed you champion. The air is full of the pungent odour of hypocrisy.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@197 I don't deny that Saddam was a piece of sh*t that probably deserved to die, but the way it was done is out of order, you can't base your invasion of a sovereign country on lies. The same with Afghanistan, where are the morals there? Killing 4000 of your own to justify an invasion!! That's bloody unheard of...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@198
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, you will have to explain what you mean by killing 4000 of our own.
@199 That was adressed to the yanqui...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#109 To Conqueror and all the British super patriots, I just learned today that the BNP's candidate for London Mayor is an Argie who volunteered to fight against Britain in the Falklands War!!! Who are you going to vote for now?!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still like to know. please, do not tell me this is a reference to 9/11.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@202 you mean the controlled demolishion of the twin towers? explain the presence of nano-thermite that 9!!! different scientists found, explain the explosions in the basements.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You guys have no morals, and you are prepared to kill your own people to achieve what you want.
True, SA military got paid to killed their own aswell, but at least we had the decency to fight against it, you deny it and blaim someone else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
Oh man! Your are a conspiracy nut. Any previous points you made which may have merited serious consideration, just vanished in a puff of phsycotic smoke.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conspiracy theory? Buildings don't collapse like that, no matter how many time you repeat the lies, danish scientist claims to have found nano-thermite (not Argentinians, Uruguayans nor Iraqis, but Danish). It served the US and Europe perfectly in their hunt for resources. You want to find the guilty ones? look at the ones who profit, your governments LIED all way through from Afghanistan to Iraq, they financed military dictatoreships all over Latin America (read about Operation Condor).
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You lie and lie and lie, and then you want the world to believe you are the victims. No more, you are over and done with.
Warm Congratulations to Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner from Foreign Personages
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Buenos Aires, April 24 (CNA) -- The dear respected Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner received warm congratulations from foreign personages on her election as first secretary of the Workers' Party of Argentina and first chairman of the National Defence Commission of the Peronist movement.
The general secretary of the Central Committee of the Peronist Party of Mendoza said in a statement on April 18 that Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's election as first secretary of the PPM and first chairman of the CCPP of Argentina is a historic event of great significance in strengthening and developing the WPK and carrying out the Peronist revolution.
The general secretary expressed the conviction that the service personnel and people of Argentina would achieve greater successes in the struggle for building a great prosperous powerful nation and achieving independent and peaceful reunification of the country under the leadership of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
The chairman and secretary general of the Peruvian Group for the Study of Peronism said in an article posted on Internet website in their joint name on April 14 that holding leader Cristina in high esteem as general secretary of the CCPP and chairman of the NDC of Argentina forever and electing Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as first secretary of the CCPP and first chairman of the NDC are a striking demonstration that the socialist cause of Peronism is being steadfastly carried forward in Argentina.
The former chairman of the Bolivia-Argentine Friendship Society said in an e-mail sent to the Argentine embassy on the same day the election of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as first secretary of the CCPP and first chairman of the NDC of Argentina is an event that pleased all members of the society, wishing her greater success in her work.
Shhh Guzz, it's alright. You get on with drinking your own urine and making a nice tin foil hat while we use the technology from our secret alien bunkers to further our evil Western capitalist agenda. When the people see UFOs with Union Jacks printed on them floating over Buenos Aires they'll know you were right allll along.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tried in an iraqi court, convicted by iraqis, punished by iraqis. You would deny them their justice for a cheap shot at the Brits. I thought
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure little reality.The problem is that now,the guys suceeding sadam,are much worse than him.He was a secularist.These are ortodox religious.Very dangerous...
@35
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You quote that the cost of extracting oil from the North Falklands basin would net the islands -0.7bn USD “good luck with that” according to research.
I took a look at said research, and tried to find the figures that you were referring to. The only way I could generate the numbers you had were the NAV assigned to Rockhopper Exploration on the 1C contingent resources case, and the cost of extraction. $3.5bn and $4.2bn respectively.
You do realise that those numbers subtracted from one another do not generate the cost don't you?
The $3.5bn valuation of the company is NET of the extraction costs, discounted over time...WORST CASE. The same research gives a 90% likelihood development will take place.
With oil prices at or around $100 per barrel, the FIG have a tax regime of 35%. so even at worst case figures 250mmbs, the FIG is lined up to get revenue of between $8-9bn over the next 20 years....or $3 million per head of population....just from the first discovery.
As more discoveries are made, the economics of defence, chartered flights and other nonsense will disappear into the ether.
If you have to quote research...at least read it and understand it...you look silly otherwise.
@207 For 20 years you called Operation Condor for “conspiracy theories”. As it turned out, you are a bunch of torturers, murderers, rapers and abducters of children, that is a FACT. After decades of lies you expect us to believe that the controlled demolishons of WTC was someone else, a bad bad terrorist that happened to sit on oil.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@209 The income os very much based on the cost of a barrel, a number that has changed a lot the past 15 years. Even so, noone knows the amount of oil and gas in the island basin, hence your “discoveries” are equally biased as my numbers. The only thing that is a fact, is that there is oil and gas reserves.
@205 Barking mad.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@208 Parrot.
@209. Good explanation, but all in vain, Argentinitus. Rare condition which blocks the audio receptors and sinaptic pathways to the brain. Try drawing pictures, preferably with a nice coloured wax crayon.
#206 Whatever her title, she'll always be a beautiful Queen to me =) (And yes I know your taking the piss!)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@212. Ah damn. Now he's going to have to come up with something else.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0#212 BK: Your Queen seems to be protecting the natural assets of Argentina very well. Congratulations!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#213 RC: Keep up the good fight!
China Plans Shale-Gas Investment in Argentina
By Aibing Guo - Apr 26, 2012 5:36 AM AT
China, holder of the world’s biggest shale-gas reserves, plans to speed up exploration of the resource by jointly developing the newly nationalized YPF company recently nationalized by Argentina. Jointly developing the Argentina reserves will be spearheaded by PetroChina Co. which plans to invest three times the minimum amount earlier requested by the Argentine government.
The new proposed YPF management team is tentatively planning to propose seizing fields from other companies that fail to invest at least 30,000 yuan ($4,747) per square kilometer annually, Zhang Jianfeng, a director at the companie’s research institute, said in an interview today. Explorers will have three years to meet the requirement, he said.
Argentina holds 25.08 trillion cubic meters of exploitable reserves of the unconventional fuel trapped in shale rock, the company said, citing a nationwide survey. The Argentine government has pledged to prioritize land approvals, allow tax- free equipment imports and offer subsidies to explorers.
The policy “will certainly prevent companies from sitting on acreage,” Neil Beveridge, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., said in an e-mail.
The proposed rules will be similar to those for conventional oil and gas exploration, where the minimum annual investment requirement is set at 10,000 yuan per square kilometer, Zhang said in Beijing, while attending a two-day Shale Gas Summit organized by Centre for Management Technology.
More than 100 Chinese companies have qualified to participate in Argentina’s second auction of shale exploration area, which will likely be held before July, the official said. The Argentine government will offer at least 20 areas, he said.
A spokesperson from the Oxford University Press has announced that all copies of its Dictionay/Thesarus sold world wide since 1st January, 2012 are to be recalled. The spokesperson said, “This unprecedented move has proved neccessary to protect the pretigiuos repution of our publication, unfotunately owing to unforseen factors behond our control, it has now become neccessary to change the meaning of the word ”Expropriation.“ The spokesperson went on to say, ”We cannot say that similiar recalls might not take place at a later date, as our scholars are currently also looking into the meaing of the words, honsesty, trueth, promise, trust, honour, contract, reliability, pride and theft.”
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The spokesperson would not comment on whether the current events in Argentina was the cause of this recall.
@212 Can you please please learn that 'your' and 'you're' are different things. I know you poor socialists don't like school and instead learn from pop-idol on your massive TV with billy brag telling you all to be really lazy in the background. But the least you could do is learn some basic English grammar, before you move to Argtardia.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#215 To quote you RC, “What is it they say about oriental cunning. Devious, devious blighters! straight out of the pages of a Fu Man Chu novel” Really your posts are great fun.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@218 Chicureo
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see yours are generating useful comments, so far I've only counted a couple that are on to you. Sad thing is they seem to support the Arg position. On a positive note, you've got the rest of them slavvering at the mouth and wringing their hands in anticipation of the bounties to come and I do not mean a coconut centred, chocolate bar! You wicked,wicked bugger! HOE LOL.
@216 Now that's a proper sad excuse for an arguement of discussion, mentioning peoples typos. As you would know most of us speak more languages than english, in the contrary to you, who in all your education missed out on the rest of the world. Drop that belly button complex, for gods sake! I can assure you I'm far more educated than you and speak far more languages aswell, you ignorant brat
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@219 You fail to realise that China isn't 'helping' poorer countries, but gradually taking control of them. They are doing that to most countries, as we all are becoming more reliant on their cheap plasticy crap that falls apart. They are trying for world domination. Also, our country will never falter, fail or run out of money, and we can be self-reliant easily and history proves this (WW2 when we were blockaded for 3 years). Also, no offense, but I really don't think that most of the South American's infrastructure will improve in the next 30 years because of corruption and pretty high levels of debt. By infrastructure, I mean things like public transport, internet quality, sewage waste systems and education systems. I'm not trying to put you down, or brag, but I hope you really think about this and understand why I think this. :)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2010
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct, nobody knows the total amount of oil reserves across the north, east and south Falkland basins. What is known is that the Sealion oil discovery has between 250 million barrels and 500million barrels of recoverable oil. There have been nine appraisal wells and two flow tests to prove it. It's all in the research you were mis-quoting.
Yes the global oil pice does move which is why I used $100 per barrel in my illustration, I believe the research used a similar aggregate figure which is in line with a global model.
Alone, this discovery has potential revenue to make the equivalent revenue to the FIG of up to $10billion.
Prospects multiples of this discovery are planned to be drilled later this year...I wish the islanders well in this venture.
219. If you are so smart and speak 192 languages why are you living in one of poorest countries in the world and probably making less that U$500/mo? So drop the attitude and come clean my pool or mow my lawn! I will pay you double the avg RG wage...DOUBLE!!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 219 )
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How are you ?..which languages you know ?
Mi a neve ?............Vi jenat ?
#218 RC
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more bizarre, the more they're accepted. #214 ...seems to be perfectly reasonable news for many...
@222 Yankeeboy
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember our posts concerning nut jobs, buddy, you just met him,
Is Cristina talking about expropriating YPF by paying the amount of money that Argentina would JUSTLY owe Spain for their part of the ownership, or is she expropriating YPF by just publicly stealing it from Spain. Cristina aren't you supposed to be a good Catholic? ....or have you forgot about the 8th commandment?- Millet USA
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When CFK and her politbura fail to keep agreements with the Chinese as they have with the UK, EU, and USA and as sure as eggs are eggs, they will, what then, will that be the moment when Argentina reaches rock bottom and is then officially twinned with North Korea?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentinians had adopted cricket they would have known the importance of keeping rules instead of cheating.
@222 Yankeeboy
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy's inferiority complex is so huge his head would not fit the swimming pool. :o)
@220 No offense taken. Lets check your own statistics, CIA World Factbook, and lets compare your USA, UK and Uruguay on those topics you mention that are comparable:
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0corruption
debt
education
I would like to add:
Healthcare
Access to potable water
I will approach it like this, when possible, I will gather information from CIA WFB (you guys love CIA), otherwise I will gather info from a western source. Ready?
1. Access to Potable water (improved)
USA: 99%
Uruguay: 100%
United Kingdom: 100%
2. Sanitation (improved)
US: 100%
UY: 100%
UK: 100%
3.Education (Literacy)
US: 99%
UY: 98%
UK: 99%
4a. Debt, Private
US: 69.4% of GDP
UY: 51% of GDP
UK: 79.5% of GDP
4b. Debt, External:
US: 14.7 trillion
UY: 15.4 billion´
UK: 9.8 trillion
5. Corruption (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/dec/01/corruption-index-2011-transparency-international)
US : 24th spot
UY: 25th spot
UK: 16th spot
6a. Life expectancy 2011, overall http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/dec/01/corruption-index-2011-transparency-international)
US: 78 years
UY: 76 years
UK: 80 years
6b. Health care system
US: Paid private clinics, requires insurance
UY: Free public clinics, paid private clinics
UK: Free public clinics, pais private clinics
As you can see, we have nothing to envy you…
She said what is this about. It's fair, legal and if not for corruption a better way than letting it to the private sector.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@222 As a marine engineer (bachelor in KME, Copenhagen), I speak swedish, danish, spanish and english.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My country is, according to your own numbers much richer than yours, you count your debts in trillion, both US and UK, about 1000 times more debt than UY
And by the way, I'm sure I earn more than you aswell :)
@228 Inferiority complex? You sure about that? According to your own numbers, you are the poor ones...
231 Barking mad. Someone ask him his theories on 9/11.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@232 Come on, say it; “the only reason we uphold such high standard of living, is because we don't pay our debts” :)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's ok, we know already....
And as a sidenote, Argentinas private debt is at 47%, and their external debt is at 136 billion (1/108 of USA's debt and 1/72 of UK's).
With a population of 42M people, the debt per capita is less aswell, unless US has a population of 42x108=4.5B people and the UK a population of 42x72=3B people...
Fact is, you are poorer than Argentina, had you paid your debts. But you wont, will you? :)
233 Barking mad.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cant't take the truth? It's your own numbers, for gods sake... Imagine if I use our (probably more correct) numbers
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Barf!
@235 Guzz most of SA has crap sewage treatment, I know that for a fact, as I have many friends who constantly study this and try to improve it. As for the CIA World Factbook, that's just bullcrap made by the US to scare some people. Your debt levels are probably higher than that, by a bit, and our debt levels are only about 60-70% of our GDP. Anyway, I just want to point out that there is NO WAY that we're poorer than you. We have a higher average income, and most of our debt isn't civilian, it's government. What I will say is that Uruguay should stand up for the Falklands instead of backing the false claims of a countries' government that has no clue on how to run one. Who knows, maybe you may increase your export levels to Europe and make more money from this side. Pretty tempting to me. Finally, Diego Forlan is world class!! WOOOO! lol
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@236 So, we shouldn't trust our governments numbers because we are corrupted, and we shouldn't trust your governments numers because they are “scaring people” (but NOT corrupted). That leaves us having to trust your personal intuition...
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay will never back the “Falklands”, we back the Malvinas, a fact we prooved when not letting british vessels, other than food suppliers to dock in uruguayan ports.
Forlan was world class yes, but Lucho Suarez is better...
You could use football as an example for everything else, you show us the ball, we show you what to do with it...
@237 hey we have garry o'connor, the best scottish player today. Anyway, it's a shame you feel that way, because you will know that eventually most countries will turn their back on Argentina and tell them to go f**k themselves since CFK is mentally deranged. Anyway Suarez is a racist, but a great striker for the 'Pool, but not as good as Andy Carrol (jokes he's shit lol).
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@238 Shame you think like that, as you are accusing all uruguayans of being racists (we all use the word negro, it's a colour, means black), of course we don't give a damn what you make out of it, although I have to admit Suarez should've known better to think he was in Uruguay...
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK mentally deranged? You got proof of that? Because I've learned from this thread that every statement that you can't proove makes you a conspiracy nut...
Anyone who postulates the theory that the US orchestrated 9/11. murdering 400o people in order to justify a war on Muslims and further more, believes that theory, is in my opinion a conspiracy nut.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@240 Half of your accusations on the Argentine government and the Argentines themselves are your own postulated theories, you conspiracy nut!! By the way, don't you have debts to pay? Living on borrowed money to uphold your standards... And that's a fact!! :)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 216 GreekYoghurt
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy Bragg, estuary English, Rools OK. You may think lazy, but actually quite a clever use of our language.
@ 221 Monkeymagic
Oil, oil, there is no oil there, just a bit of gas that’s all, the rest was dry wells. Anything more just depresses them.
@ 231 Guzz
I speak swedish, danish, spanish and english.
Swedish, Danish – So how different are they, can you really claim this as two.
Spanish – There’s a few people round here can do that.
English - ? No comment
So the whole world should be migrating to UY (according to you and Ravenstein). Except they are not, and you went to Scandinavia for your education.
Enough said.
Get chip on the other shoulder as well, then at least you will be balanced.
Mind your own bees knees, where, what or how I live has nothing to do with you or your Arg pals. Put your own house in order before you stick your sneaky beak into mine. Barking mad!
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe the US government was behind 9/11, in large part because I don't think they'd have the competence to pull such a massive con-trick off without getting caught, as they were caught over WMD in Iraq. But I certainly agree with Guzz that your constant banging on about Cristina being mad is just as baseless a conspiracy theory
Apr 27th, 2012 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@242 It's not me claiming swedish and danish are two different languages, it's themselves...
Apr 27th, 2012 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding me wanting you to move here, you could not be more wrong, I most certainly don't want you near me, in fact, far away is bad enough...
Yes, I went to Scandinavia for my education, mainly because I think they have the one of the best education system around the world AND they have THE best social system, kudos to them...
@245 didn't mean she was actually mentally deranged, she's like a mentally deranged person for trying to steal from other countries (e.g. Spain,UK)
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0And for the record, Scotland has a much better education system than Scandinavian countries, not sure about social systems though. Also, we will soon be the leading country when it comes to most types of energy because of our climate, so we will make quite a bit of money from that. And since you call us poor and have previously stated that you have large and continuous growth in Uruguay, well note this; it will take your country many decades to get even close to our GDP levels, Also, you can't say we're based on our debt levels. Remember, most of us has reasonably good income levels, and that it is government and corporatedebt that takes up most of it.
Finally you can't really say that SA is better of than us as both of our arguments are biased, so it would be better to ask a person that lives in maybe Asia or North America. ;)
It's people like Guzz the Argentinian who make me happy that I don't live in Argentina. He sounds like he's having a breakdown of some kind, probably caused by years of brainwashing.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0246. Well I have been to both Scotland and Uruguay many times. I almost moved to MDV when I was tired of BA but decided it was too remote and provincial. There are lots of very poor and very uneducated people living there. There is also NOTHING TO DO. MDV has only 2M people and it is very run down looking, dirty and it has that 3rd world feeling, dirty children and people on the streets just sitting around. Plus like Arg nothing works, phones, internet, electricity are all sketchy at best. I hate that!
Apr 27th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love Scotland but it is a bit to chilly for me. Although I could live there if I had to, its beautiful the people are nice, it is very clean, safe and modern.
If I had to choose between the two places I would have to pick Scotland just because it is more civilized and you don't have the extreme poverty like in Uruguay. Plus everything works like it is supposed to the electricity and internet doesn't go out when it rains or is windy.
@246 I'm glad to hear Scotland are doing well, and I surely hope they keep it up, both when it comes to renewable energy and economy in general. In Uruguay we are not really interested in GDP levels as they only show your countries production, not taking into account the damage done to the environment. The govermental debt is, at the end of the day, the common folks debt, as that debt will be paid in form of taxes, mainly from the middle class (the rich ones always manage to escape taxes...).
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only time I would ask someone from USA about their opinion is when I'm not sure what the discussion is about, eg. if I yanqui says “NO”, I'm pretty sure the moral and true answer would be “YES”, and vice versa...
@248 You can't imagine how happy your decision of not moving here makes me!! I am forever in your debt and thank you from the bottom of my heart!! THANK YOU!!!
My advice to the scots would be to paint their children faces with ash and throw some garbage on the streets the day you pay them a visit, just in case you would start thinking of moving there... For their own sake, I mean...
248 yankeeboy
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a few weeks ago you were praising Uruguay, especially the coastal resorts.
Why the change? BTW the abbreviation for Montevideo is MVD.
You can't have been to Glasgow or East Kilbride or many more places in Scotland and not noticed the 'poverty'.
Poverty in the UK is associated with people on the dole who are given free public housing and money to buy beer and cigarettes.
@250 i don't know if you're scottish, but that isn't poverty, that's just junkies that have 'a lot more money than you think. Also, in Scotland there isn't anybody who are given free public housing, unless they are homeless or genuinely have next to no income in their family, and again that number is at around 10,000 which is not a lot.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@249 there is still some poverty in Scotland though, it's not perfect.
248. The post had to do where I could live. I love Uruguay to visit. If you want a quiet beach town there are plenty on the coast all the way up to Brazil BUT i wouldn't live there. Big difference. I'm not sure how much has changed but when I was living in SA I rented a car and took a few weeks hitting the various towns up to Punta Del Diablo, at that time they only had electricity a couple hours a day and certainly not when it rained or was windy. Running water...kind of....Hot water for your shower..nope...good sanitation...I wouldn't bet on it.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poverty is relative and it is widespread and depressing in all of SA.
@252 Again, lets take a look at your own numbers to compare poverty in our nations.... According to CIA, of course;
Apr 27th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Population below poverty line:
US: 15.1%
UY: 18.6%
With a population of 3.3M, it means UY has 3.3x0.186=0.61M poor souls.
With a population of 313.8M, it means US has 313.8x0.151=47.38M poor souls.
So, US has 47.38/3.3= 14 times more poor people than UY has population...
253. I have never seen dead eyed children searching through garbage for food in the USA. You can see it in every SA country.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said poverty is relative, we have poor but we don't have huge multi- story slums with no running water, sanitation or law.
You will look very foolish if you try to compare SA income levels and standards of living to the USA so you should give up now before you get too far behind.
BTW I looked up your US salary equivalent for your job, about 70K it's the same as I pay my secretary...so you make what a 1/3 of that?
@254
Apr 27th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Detroit - http://www.nairaland.com/488110/picture-slums-usa
I rest my case...
@255 Detroit has always been like that. It's tradition there to build a city, have great car companies, then years later they abandon the city, and build a new one nearby. There is no way in hell that the US has a similar poverty rate to SA, 90% of their citizens have an average income of $44,000.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@254 Case reopened
Apr 27th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't mean to post that link, as not even I believe that is a picture of Detroit... Sorry for the miss.
Detroit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXuhO8gS6VY
I rest my case
Um, those are vacant buildings nobody is living in them..I told you stop trying to compare the USA to SA you're just going to look retarded.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@258 Well, I show you proof of your poverty using your own numbers, I show you a video of your slums, with garbage all over the place(cats brought it there) and a bus driving through (bringing the cats).
Apr 27th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/13/national/main20105376.shtml
Your own papers saying poverty in US is rising for 4th year in a row, child poverty being 22%, and median income is falling at the same rate...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/13/national/main20105376.shtml
World Bank stating Uruguay's poverty is decreasing steadily...
Lets do the maths again, Uruguays GDP per capita (again, not taking into account the environment) is 15.400 USD.
US GDP per capita is 48.100 USD.
Now, remove the debts (the external debt, the private stays in the country, and yes, they have to be paid...) leaves us at:
US debt per capita: 14.7 trillions / 313.8 millions = 46.845 USD per capita
UY debt per capita: 15.4 billions / 3.3 millions = 4.667 USD per capita
Now, lets substract what we have with what we owe:
US : 48.100 - 46.845 = 1.255 USD per capita
UY: 15.400 - 4.667 = 10.733 USD per capita
See? Only reason you uphold such standards is because YOU DON'T PAY YOUR DEBTS!!!
What in the world are you babbling on about? Do you seriously think the poverty in the USA is worse than in SA? or Uruguay in particular? Come on even you can't be that stupid.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@260 No, I think the only reason you are richer than any SA country, is because you don't pay your debts, just as I prooved to you :)
Apr 27th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you give me a link to any US Federal unpaid debt?
Apr 27th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah your SA math skills are great too bad the numbers don't correspond to anything meaningful.
@262 All the numbers are from your very own CIA Factbook, and before you mention it, yes, other countries DO owe USA money, a grand total of 60B (I'm being generous, amount in 1992 was 55.5B, declined from 65.2 1989). This means that is you collect all the money other countries owe you, you would add an amount of 191.2 dollars per capita to the previous number, leaving you at 1.255 + 191 = 1.446 dollars per capita...
Apr 27th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't trust CIA (I wouldn't blaim you), mayhap you trust US Department of Treasure:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
PAY YOUR DEBTS!!! :)
@263 I'm sorry but you can't get the average debt per person from the total debt, it doesn't quite work that way. Maybe look up how to do it, then do it, and show us the results then
Apr 27th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the beginning of a slippery slope which will lead to another financial disaster for Argentina. CFK and her politburo are out of their depth and are running out of ideas. They keep on quoting a warped made-up version of history and falling out with their neighbours, USA, EU who's next? The problem has been that the ordinary Argentinian in the street doesn't realise what is happening, when he does...who knows. Perhaps CFK will hold a big rally one day like Galtieri and things will turn nasty like '82.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@264 Debt per capita MEANS total debt per person, meaning you take the total debt and divide it with amount of noses (or amount of legs and multiply by 2) that inhabits the country...
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No matter how you do the maths though (I could half your nations debts and you'd STILL be poorer than Argentina per capita) trillions in debt is a MASSIVE number.
Only thing that keeps you floating are the multinationals investing in your countries, taxes paid by the masses and the banks.
Should the multinationals move to, lets say.... China, you'd be in real trouble (isn't that happening already?), because of the very fact that you'd loose not only the investments made by them, but also the salaries (in the end, taxes). The banks are yours, I admit that, but remember they are all private...
252 yankeeboy
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am unable to recognise the picture you post here of Uruguay.
Electricity for 2 hours a day? When was this, 20 or 30 years ago?
There will always be poverty in every country because, as you say it is relative. Yes, there are things that surprised me about Uruguay: how people live in small houses with corrugated sheet steel roofs, in the middle of nowhere with well water, no electicity or sewers. But there are still isolated houses in rural Scotland with similar 'facilities' - crofters housing, etc.
I have been around MVD quite a lot, especially in the poorer parts and I have never seen children searching refuse dumps.
BTW I worked in Nigeria for a while. The local village had at least 10 churches, the schoolkids were immaculately dressed. The same children off school were in rags. But they were always very happy. Guess their parents were happy to waste their money on God rather than play clothes. Each to their own.
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Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Say no more .............................................
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We switch to English not to make the monolingual Anglo turnips feel so inferior...
@272 I think they ran out of arguments though.... That, or I scared them off.... You know their motto: “If morals are good, double morals are twice as good...”
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(273) Guzz
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will be back..................
They don't know the meaning of the word “Moral”.
Particularly “Yankeeboy”.
He once rejoiced about some indigent dying of carbon monoxide poisoning during a particular chilly winter in Argentina.
Needless to say, I despise the guy.
@274 He's not too fond of himself either... By now, he's brainstorming with himself thinking “how did it go so wrong???”...
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Needless to say that USA will NEVER pay their debts, as they will continue to kill women and children in an attempt to upkeep their standards of living.
But at least he should be sincere, and stop lying to himself, and most of all, stop calling Argentines for “thieves”, as they not only borrowed (stole) the money the brag about having, but also the natural resources they need to upkeep their society of waste...
@275 RBS, LTSB, TB, and BOF are all state run banks, so I don't know which banks you're talking about. Remember I'm from Scotland.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@274 For the record we probably on average speak more languages than you. i can speak Italian, German, French, Russian and Urdu. So stop with the 'insults'
@276 Was not talking about Scotland, as I told you before, I don't put Scotland in the same box as England and particularly USA. We all know where the british arrogance comes from, as we also know Scotland historically suffered it as bad as the rest of the world...
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take a look at the Federal Reserve System, pay particular attention at who created it and to what purpose and tell me if it belongs to the state (of USA)...
Mayhap they also speak loads of languages, but I assure you they don't make any sense in any of them...
Turnips are speaking Swede, shit they are all root vegetables. Probably don't even have Blue Eyes. Ersatz Argys
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@278 Swede? Everytime you type something, you expose your ignorance...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0And where is the yanqui??? I miss him... only got until sunday... think he found an answer by then? Could you help him mayhap?
265 Brit Bob - Yes I agree with you. My own contacts in Argentina says the CFK gang is screwing up things nicely.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no chance of their invading the Falklands again. Their military is reduced to a sorry state. Clearly there are some sinister people behind CFK. She is merely a puppet on a string. Perhaps they are salting away their ill gotten gains into some Cayman Islands account.
280 Ozgood - Yes I agree with you. My own contacts in iRiphabhuliki yaseNingizimu Afrika says Jacob Zuma's gang is screwing up things nicely.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly there are some sinister people behind Jacob Zuma. He is merely continuing with his personal rapes, racketeering and corruption. Perhaps they are salting away their ill gotten gains into some Cayman Islands account.
What a lot of rubbish, garbage and nonsense one can write quoting “Own Contacts”
Don't you “THINK”?
@273
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 09/11 that's not an agruement. Barking mad.
#281 Though Cristina is a lot better than Zuma; at least thats what I think =)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0(283) British_Kirchnerist
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was NOT comparing those two political leaders.....
They are, literally, from two tottaly different worlds....
Choosed Zuma because Ozgood tells us he is South-African....
Anyhow; I somehow like Zulu Zuma.......
He certainly knows how to treat the ladies...... ;-)
Zuma is a confirmed womaniser
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woman fall for his charm and power
He is certainly a warmer person than his predecessor and is a consummate politician
(285) Ozgood
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Zuma, a warmer person and a consummate politician......” you say....
Well.... Suddenly, you are not a 100% total turnipy Rooinek anymore....
How did you like my post 281 about Zuma then...?
Was it as as stupid as your post 280 about Cristina.....?
What do you “Think” ?
All I can say to you, Think, is
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DIME CON QUIEN ANDAS Y TE DIRE QUIEN ERES
in proper Spanish and not phoney Zulu
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#284 I knew you weren't comparing them, you were rightly showing up Ozgood's hypocrisy and absurd post. But I do think Zuma (like most presidents actually) compares rather poorly to Cristina. He was able to get out of a raft of charges, and overthrow his predecessor, with his warmth and fiery leftist rhetoric, but after 3 years in power he seems to be a bit of a dissapointment, without the clear achievements to back up his talking that Cristina was able to celebrate yesterday. Just my opinion but I think the fact a very credible person like Ronnie Kasrils didn't seem to want to continue in government under him bodes ill
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reuters Moscow: Saturday April 28, 2012
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0In an earth shattering announcement, the Venezuelan government has leaked news today about a new defense agreement involving Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina.
As a part of his “Bolivarian Revolution”, Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez has been closely involved in negotiations to modernize not only his country, but also the armed forces of both Argentina and Bolivia with a remarkable revolutionary concept that has left his admirers in a elevated state of approval.
Assisting Presidents Chávez and Morales is the special defense minister, Maximo Kirchner who is assisting in one of the most complex, costly and sophisticated arms for petroleum trade barter agreements in history.
To summarize the deal is as follows: Venezuela will acquire 92 T-72 Main battle tanks from the Russian Federation. The 84 French AMX-30 Main battle tanks and a few assorted other models will be transferred to Argentina. In turn, the antiquated 54 austrian tanks now used by Bolivia will be transferred to Venezuela for target practice. The 236 domestically designed and manufactured “Tanque Argentino Mediano” will be sent to arm the Bolivian forces.
Payment of the transfers will be extraordinary as Venezuela’s purchase will be a part of the Argentine promised repayment of the near 100 billion loan bailout agreement between the two nations, that will be accomplished with barter grain and refined petroleum shipments to St. Petersburg over the coming harvests. Bolivia will repay Argentina with natural gas shipments in exchange for the upgrade in armament. As the special defense minister, Kirchner was quoted: “we all get something from the deal, some more than others…”
In other related news, the government of Paraguay is planning to take this alarming news to the UN Security Counsel as they are worried about the escalation of a military build up in the region. There were no other comments.
argentina gets 80 2nd hand 1960s tech tanks.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0And FatBoy Maximo was proud to announce that in solidarity with his mother, all the equipment will be made from blow up rubber!
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only will these rubber tanks be easier to transport, they will be easier to repair when they are hit by BB guns.
His mother is so proud of him.
@279 Guzz
Apr 29th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the matter, joke too complicated for you.
Here I will make it easy for you:
http://topveg.com/2010/07/the-difference-between-swedes-and-turnips/
@279 Nah, I got it, problem is I was laughing so hard, I could type....
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@216 Guzz “I'm far more educated than you and speak far more languages aswell”
Apr 30th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do get tired of non-native english speakers boasting of their bilingualism, as if this somehow elevates them to a higher state of consciousness. Some of the most ignorant and deluded individuals I've met have been fluent in several languages. Unfortunately this does not necessarily mean that your thought processes will be fluent in any of them. Neither does knowledge of a foreign language grant you any moral superiority over others.
As it happens I do speak and understand several languages. My youngest child is nearly four years old. She already speaks two languages fluently, English and Portuguese, though to be fair, her vocabulary has plenty of scope for expansion. She'll soon be learning French at school. Much as I love her, this doesn't make her an expert on anything :)
Incidentally, 'as well' is two words.
Guzz
Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some interesting stuff here but a lot containing sheer ignorance especially in relationship to the UK debt mountain or not.
London is probably the second biggest finance centre in the world and so many companies and countries have decided to issue Eurobonds in that market with UK investment/merchant banks as the underwriters.
These debts then show up as UK in the oft quoted CIA handbook even though they are not public debt (i.e. that of the UK government) but remains as external debt.
If you look closely other financial centres such as Luxembourg are similarly skewed.
I think you should learn to interpret figures before quoting blindly.
BK : Whatever her title, she'll always be a beautiful Queen to me =) (And yes I know she smells of piss!)
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There , corrected that for you .
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