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Ultra-Kirchnerites launch debate on President Cristina Fernandez re-re-election

Monday, April 30th 2012 - 07:19 UTC
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A movement has resurfaced in Argentina with the idea of promoting the perpetuation of President Cristina Fernandez in power through a constitutional reform, an initiative launched before but which at that time was downplayed by the re-elected president. Read full article

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  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Tee Hee strong leader?.....So strong she has yet to bully 3,500 islanders into submission or even the crass colonial power in decline?

    But please fellow Argies do get her as the perpetual president, it will be hilarious watching as your country slides down the toilet bowl :)

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Democracy? - nice while it lasted.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    1 Rhaurie-Craughwell

    “your country slides down the toilet bowl” ??? what do you mean? It IS in the toilet right now, and KFC has her hand on the “Flush”

    The country is so f**ked!! the crowd love her and cheer her on as she steals from them and runs their country into the ground.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Why do they even bother debating this? She completely ignored the constitution when she stole YPF, making the constitution worthless, and now she's bothering to get the constitution changed.

    This Dictatorship needs to come to terms with the fact it's a KFC-based dictatorship. I guess the residents are a bit slower than normal folk.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    It's funny how the Argentine constitution is considered a sacred document on some matters and yet a flexible inconvienience too when it suits whoever is president.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    What is hilarious is they think they are a democracy and more functional and “fair” than the USA.
    I can not for the life of me understand why they don't see the comparisons to Hitler. It is fascinating!
    Over the weekend I posted the definition of fascism and asked Guzzy Wuzzy to point out where it differs from CFK actions and all he came back with was that she was elected. Well...so was Hitler, and everything he did was “legal” because he made it legal, passed it through “the house” and lo and behold it is law. When you control both houses and the courts everything becomes “legal”.
    Scary stuff....

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @6 I have my issues about the link between advertising money and election results in the USA, but that aside it's delivers a highly effective, transparent and strong system of governance. This is the same for the westminster system, that with a similar bag of quirks and questions, it delivers a very effective and fair response to what voters want.

    Openly paying people to vote out of government coffers, in a festival of electoral fraud, combined with complete disrespect for the constitution, ignoring bilateral treaties and generally running the country into oblivion, overseen by a 'family dictatorship'... that's in no way fairer than the aforementioned systems.

    The comparisons to Hitler's activities are clear.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Max

    In the next election..we are going to do a Serbian origin President for Argentina...

    If there were be any real Argentine commentators here ,they would know his name.!

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Well the only person who is going to be standing in the next presidential election, by presidential decree, is KFC.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Everything the two leaders quoted here sounds not only correct but considered and part of a wider democratic debate. I particularly liked “We need to change the focus of the current constitution, which is based on a liberal-conservative matrix“ and ”Landau said he was in favour of “anything that questions the status quo“”, as it seems theres a possibility now that the democratic progressive process and challenge to neoliberalism may now deepen, perhaps even leading to a refounding of the state as has happened in Venezuela, Bolivia etc. The only thing that worried me is Cristina's seeming reluctance to go on ruling; I know it must be tough for her at the top, shouldering such great responsibilities, yet she has shown herself strong and capable and the people, including people of the world like me, are always with her to give her the support and love she deserves, so I hope she does reconsider as she really is ”an undisputed leader above the political establishment”

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mickey5hins

    Eternal Leader KFC and Dear Leader Fatty

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    10 Scottie_Kirchnerist

    Even you must understand that this woman has severe mental issues. She is bipolar in the extreme as witnessed by her instant, uncontrollable rages which she admits to.

    Do you think, for her own sake, that she should carry on with all the stress she has, albeit most of it caused by herself?

    If she does carry on she risks a complete mental breakdown.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    Fat Kim Jong Un:
    http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/34613/240x0/mxximo-kirchner.jpg
    Fat Maximo:
    http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/34613/240x0/mxximo-kirchner.jpg

    Same political ideology, same love of cream buns.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #12 She's had a lot to deal with, from widowhood to cance scares to the attacks of the right wing sectors you militantly support, and has pulled through; if she was really mentally incapable that wouldn't have happened, so whatever she's “admitted” to must be no more than a sharp temper, which has its advantages I suppose when your a dominant woman in government (if you think I'm coming over all creepy there, what do you think of Maggie Thatcher's style???!!!) My hope is that once the fine tuning and the naionalisation bears fruit, it will be plainer sailing for her; while her own continuing presence in charge will help guarantee the continuation of the leftist model

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    I hope that the people who eventually make up the Constitutional Convention really have the good of the country at heart when they start playing with our Constitution.

    1) Definetly no re-reelection. It is the first step to tyranny.
    2) Removal of the article which mentions the sovreignty of the “Malvinas”.
    3) Redefinition of the form of electing Federal Judges so that they are truly independent.

    These would be the first few reforms that might be acceptable.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornishair

    14. Oh my god! your a funny person :) “while her own continuing presence in charge will help guarantee the continuation of the leftist model” you much be a blind leftie student with talk like that! (don't get me wrong i was one once) :p

    Question for everyone else when did people start talking this Cold war leftie crap again?

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    16 cornishair

    No, BK or as I call him Scottie_Kirchnerist is an unreconstructed commie from the days of Old Labour in Scotland.

    He considers himself a patriot but does no the recognise the Queen and is fiaxted on the plastic doll aka CFK, aka Old Turkey Neck, or as I refer to her now: The Mad Bitch.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Is it really a 'leftist' model?

    It seems more like bunging a few pesos around strategically to get the 51% vote needed to then do whatever you like.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mendoc

    Ah yes...the cancer scare. Interesting that you bring that up. What kind of advice from doctors was she getting? Surley she didn't milk it for all it was worth and therefore get a sympathy vote?

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #8 Who's the Serb? I might have heard of them but not of their Serbian origin, sounds interesting. Though I don't think they'll beat Cristina =)

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    21. Once the currency is devalued and the hyper inflation begins and underemployment skyrockets there will be riots, one of them is bound to get bloody so she'll be made to resign and leave via helicopter just like De La Rua.

    It is just a matter of time...

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornishair

    British kirchnerist, George, George Galloway is that you? :)

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #22 No, lol, if only =) I just like him. Just like I like Cristina. I'm not actually her either =)

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KFC de Pollo

    This person is an idiot

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    12 I would love to do one of those fly on the wall type doccos about her , if it were presented by Louis Theroux it would be award winning stuff .

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornishair

    british kirchnerist. I am a bit worried about your Ideology :p and your love of Cristina (KFC) seems a little odd :)

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    She will remain in power until they either throw her out,
    Or she resigns or she gets defeated in a future conflict,

    But as she is mega rich, does it really matter,
    Except for her obsession, she is of little interest outside of Argentina,

    But to be fair to B.K .
    At least he is one of at least 5 men who would give her sanctuary.
    mmmmmmmmmm

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #24 Who? GG, Cristina, or me??

    #27 Darn right, I'd be honoured to do anything I could to help if such dark days came to pass, but I think they won't =)

    #25 A really honest one could be very interesting viewing, of course you'd probably prefer a hatchet job...

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    The problem is CKFC hates the British.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Argentinos!! How do you DARE changing your own constitucion without asking the teat nation That's so out of order, everyone knows you need the permission and guidance of democrats such as.... Goerge Bush, Tony Blair, Fogh Rasmussen.... People that truly understands democrazy :)

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    30 Guzz
    To be fair, she changed your constitution to add the Falklands bit, without permission,
    And she will do so again,
    As i said, until she is removed, she will do what she wishes,

    28 British_Kirchnerist

    We admire your honesty, no matter how ambiguous it may be,
    But out of interest
    We feel you would be left with limited places to lice, in peace,
    1, can she come to Scotland-
    2, can you go to Argentina.
    3, will she go to Peru or Venezuela
    4, will you go to Peru or Venezuela
    5, would you be very popular on here
    6, would care
    7 can we get back to reality now .lol

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @30 I know you're trying to be funny, but the fact she doesn't care about the constitution, thereby making the constitution completely useless is not something you can project onto other people, trying and failing to add wit.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BenC30

    @30. You said it Guzz: Democrazy - that's what it is in Argentina.

    In the free and civilised world it is known as Democracy and it something totally different and much, much fairer. We feel for your loss!

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    To all: To explain the rantings of the mentally challenged “Guzz” character is impossible, and although he falsely claims to be Uruguayan, the sad conclusion is that he’s a single male, of mixed-nationality, most likely between 18 and 25 years of age, underemployed, most likely still living with his mother in Europe. Exhibits a non-completed mediocre education with English as his primary language. An extremely self-centered narcissist, who craves attention and acknowledgement from others. He has trouble empathizing with superiors or understanding their positions. He’s apparently extremely sensitive to rejection - implied, perceived or real from others and may react with displays of aggression, threats or temper tantrums when denied. He claims being a “marine engineer” that commutes between Denmark and Uruguay, but the conclusion is its nothing more than another manifestation of his delusions of grandeur.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    Shocking but not unexpected. Welcome to Venezuela.

    This is as predictable as the day is long. Hardly worth commenting on now. We all have this one taped I think.

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #28 I don't think she does, she just hates colonialism.

    #31 “7 can we get back to reality now .lol”

    Yes. All this talk about love is funny (and your side started it) but the point is we don't agree about politics. As far as I can see the divide is basically that you support the policies that caused the great recession in the developed world, and the 2001 crash in Argentina, and I support Cristina's resistance to them

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    36 British_Kirchnerist
    You started well, right up to the point you changed history book
    Allow
    1, you mean British // the policies that caused the great recession in the developed world

    We never caused nothing, / when was this great depression.

    2, and the 2001 crash in Argentina,

    [You caused your own crash]
    We are innocent as usual but always painted as the bad guys.

    .

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #37 “[You caused your own crash]”

    You talking to me, or the Argentines?

    Apr 30th, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @36 “I don't think she does, she just hates colonialism.”, now you know we all know that you know this just simply isn't true.

    May 01st, 2012 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • juapell

    no matter what you think or like....she'll find a way to stay in power..she has the machine to print pesos to buy votes, she by a constitution reform, her son or some of her friends will continue in power after 2015...in the case that a miracle happens and someone independent wins, as always, the peronismo will take care as it hapened to illia or alfonsin

    May 01st, 2012 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    27 Briton : British Kirchnerist would give Cristina a lot more than sanctuary .....
    He certainly likes his GILF's.
    Only fair to warn him though , Anibal is the jealous type .

    May 01st, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Seems to me that CFK has an Evita obsession and has realised that gaining sovereignty of the Falklands is the only sure fire way to elevate herself into the hearts of Argentines to the same level.

    May 01st, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    40 juapell

    That is just about the worst outcome for Argentina, when I say Argentina, I mean it's people

    May 01st, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    As juapell says, as long as Kretina has the printing machine and can keep a large majority of the people poor enough to take their few pence per vote the peronist nightmare will go on.

    Also if we were lucky enough to find an opposition politico honest and brave enough to really stand up to the K machine this would make it impossible to govern through the unions just as happened to Alfonsin, Illia, and De la Rua.

    May 01st, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Justicialist Party May Day Celebrated

    Buenos Aires, May 1 (Buenos Aires Herald) -- The dear respected Maximo Fernández made a congratulatory speech at the Justicialist Party parade celebrating the brave workers of Argentina on the May Day holiday. His speech has enjoyed great public response as it was vibrant with superb intelligence and iron will and gives clear-cut answers to questions arising in building a thriving nation.

    In particular, his statement that “Our party and the government of the Justicialist Party will join hands with anyone who sincerely wishes the reunification of the country and peace and prosperity of the nation, and make responsible and persevering efforts to realize the historic cause of national reunification with our brothers held captive in the Malvinas Islands” instills in the minds of all Argentinians the conviction of sure victory in national reunification with them.
    Maximo Fernández was evidently making a reminder of the tireless work of his mother, Dear Leader, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who has called for national unity before anything else and led all patriotic-minded Argentinians to the efforts for national reunification with the Islas Malvinas.
    This statement also made people recall the bold and fearless leadership, of his father, the late Great Leader President Néstor Kirchner as well who declared that Argentina would join hands under the banner of great national unity with government authorities or ruling and opposition party officials, politicians and Argentine workers, if they value the common interests of the nation and want national reunification with the illegally held rightful territory of Argentina.
    The idea of on great national unity and their lofty personalities and patriotism of Presidents Cristina Fernández and the great leader President Néstor Kirchner, have served as a source of strength enabling all Argentinians to turn out in the drive for national unity and reunification.

    May 01st, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • juapell

    My country needs to hit bottom in order to get better.
    No it didn't yet.
    Thanks to this project of National Unity idea of these great leaders and the organizations behind it will surely reach this goal.

    May 01st, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    38 British_Kirchnerist (
    #37 “[You caused your own crash]”

    You talking to me, or the Argentines?

    I don’t believe it, I just don’t believe it,
    Are you absolving your self of responsibility,

    Did you cause Argentina to crash, did you invade the Falklands,
    Did you,,,,did you,,,
    ………………………..
    Or course we was talking abt CFK who did you think we was blaming,
    Mr Bean .lol

    .

    May 01st, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    This is a country that writes a constitutional amendment, p!sses all over the constitution, then says the constitution is important, then changes the constitution to create a perpetual dictator.

    They steal companies going against international laws and basic morality, without having engaged in negotiations or peaceful discussion, then they lecture people on the merits of peaceful negotiations.

    I think they're a bunch of retards.

    May 01st, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Out of 199 countries in the world,
    And with the exception of the Americans for obvious reasons,
    How many countries peoples can tell or even know what their constitution is all about, unless it has been use to corrupt innocent minds.
    Just a constitutional thought .

    May 01st, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @49 There is a big difference between not knowing what your constitution says, and your president liberally p!ssing all over it.

    May 01st, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    by the time she is finnish, it will be worthless, and a jijsaw puzzle

    May 01st, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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