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Chilean students’ leader rejoices with WSJ calling her a “red-diaper baby”
Camila Vallejo, Chile’s iconic students’ federation vice-president replied in her twitter to a scathing editorial from the Wall Street Journal saying the critique was evidence that Chilean public opinion is ‘becoming conscious’ and is ‘advancing’. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA very mature response of hers.
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't say the same of WSJ. The quality of US newspapers sinks at the same rate it becomes more partisan.
Chiile's future, our present. VIVA LATINAMERICA UNIDA.
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0A big hug to my Chilean brothers and sisters
Stop press: free market supporting journalist criticises communist student activist.
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Referring to her as a red-diaper baby is childish and undermines the point of article that nobody is holding her ideas to account. Arguing against her ideas is just part of free speech.
We should be glad when our (the world's) young people are interested in politics: in a world where senior diplomats/politicians feel it is acceptable to trot out trite and childish slogans like “give peace a chance”, intellectual political engagement should be applauded: even if you disagree with the argument made.
@1 Wasn't she on the Time “100 people who mattered list”: I don't think you can generalise to the entire US media. WSJ is a special case of free market fundamentalism, similar to the Economist in the UK. All press has an editorial line in the opinion section...
The 'very mature response' twitted by the young lady was :
May 02nd, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“How it hurts them that Chile is becoming conscious!
This is a sign of us advancing”.
No, Forgetit.
This is neither mature nor lucid.
It contains in both sentences unacceptably ambiguous exhortations typical of the incompletely educated, left-wing young 'revolutionaries'.
This is, of course, the language of young presidents-in-waiting in South America.
Let's hope she learns better use of language in her rise to high office, for I doubt that her tweeting inadequacies are simply those of poor editorial translation.
No, not very mature.
@4
May 02nd, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not only mature, it's also TRUE, as your post is a proof of :)
Pretty girl ;)
May 02nd, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And with that ring in her right nostril her commie mates will be able to lead around by the nose. Ha, ha, ha.
May 02nd, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I'm to the right and I like her. I agree with the WSJ that the initial weakness and indecision within Piñera's government resulted last year's students protests getting out of hand. The irony is that his budget actually increased the amount of money for public education (Far more than all the middle to left previous governments, but it was not enough.)
May 02nd, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, most of Chileans (left-middle-right) agree that we need to drastically increase our quality of public education to the level of an EU country. It's an excellent investment for our countries future. Corporate taxes are being increased and loopholes closed. The new laws being passed through congress will finally place Chile in the first world of public education.
Also, it's highly probable that Michelle Bachelet will return to the presidency and she's very solid even as her background was far to the left, she's shown herself to be more of a moderate socialist. Let's hope that Camila Vallejo becomes a part of the government cabinet in the next election. She seems to have a bright future.
(We old navy guys like Bachelet as she's been a very benevolent godmother of one of our Scorpène class submarines. When there was initial debate, she stood firmly behind the strategy of fully arming them with Exocet anti-ship missiles.)
@8
May 02nd, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You aren't turning the cloak are you? Ask Bachelet what she thinks of Pinochet :)
I'm glad that you as an out-spoken conservative and orator for Pinochets cause can appreciate the work of a socialist, especially a socialist whose father was tortured and killed by the junta you defend :)
Typical commie. She'll say some things about loving the people, she'll get into power, make herself president forever, completely destroy the economy, become mahussively corrupt, everyone will get the shaft, then civil war will break out killing everyone.
May 02nd, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just like Marx and Engels predicted.
@10
May 02nd, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All that from an update in Twitter?
That crystal ball of your must be really amazing :)
That's the problem with you guys, you are like some women I've met, hearing one thing, and making up an alternative reality in your heads, based on the words you heard :)
@11 the problem with you is that you're a liar. You lie about your lies and you don't even know when you're lying and you are lying, because it just becomes a blur to you.
May 02nd, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all caused by the guilt of you abandoning Argentina and you feel you're left out of the La Campora rising which you're too cowardly to join in on, so you turn to the keyboard to somehow make up for it. Either way, you just end up looking like a sad-furker who abandoned his homeland Argentina because it was sh!te, venting online through a thin veil of lies.
It's a shame you can't deal with reality, but I guess that's not my issue. Enjoy, furkface.
@12
May 02nd, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See? That's what I'm talking about. Alternative reality.
Now, not only did you make one up for yourself, now you want to make one up for me aswell :)
@13 Didn't need to make yours up. It was there as plain as day for us all to see. Now that we've baselined who you are and your drives/motivations for being on this site, do you want to get back to telling more lies? Then we can complete the analysis. Thanks.
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So tell me, are all your other “truths” equally analyzed and “baselined” as your truth that I should be from Argentina? :)
@15 Yep.
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll bear that in mind when reading your posts...
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's hilarious :)
@17 Yes, objectively your situation is hilarious. I agree.
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I, for one, I would be more interested in her anatomy than in her diapers,
May 02nd, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0red or not!
Philippe
@19 it's just a good angle. From her pictures on goggle images she's pretty average looking, to be honest (and all ruined by the nose ring).
May 02nd, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WSJ - very good article of this “red-diaper” baby. Currently, in Québec, Canada, the students are also violently demonstrating about increased tuition fees (will still be lowest in Canada), but are now bogging down with some of their ideologues revealing that their real agenda is an anti-Capitalist country and now openly harassing those student leaders who are sticking to the programme of tuition fee concerns. Most folks are losing patience with these middle-class darlings.
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats so newsworthy about this? In my day student leaders (such as Jack Straw) were constantly spouting left wing rubbish. It was something expected of them. Then they grew up and became serious politicians - or faded into well deserved obscurity. Camila is no different - but I do think she is a lot prettier than Jack Straw!
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21,22 Have any of these commie-people even lived in a communist country? I can tell them for free that it's not the paradise that they're all making out.
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~23
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only excuse student leaders have is that they are young and idealstic, as well as inexperienced and immature. What you expect from children really. Its the grown ups who carry on spouting this sort of left wing rubbish - the adult followers of Chavez and Kirchner - who are really deluded.
#23 Well said! That's true. My wife is “Russian” and she lived under the former Soviet Union. ....you could not say or do what the “article” is all about. These people are not communists, they are anarchists hiding under the communist ideology, that by the way.....is all gone!
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when the bogus free trader toilet newspaper pro bailout bankster (losers) WSJ bitch about an issue negative, you know you're doing something right.
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She'll be proud of that photo. Shes got the ''Che' resilient look into the distance' thing going on from the iconic image.
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you people know about communism?? :) :) :)
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to Karl Marx, communism is an ideology where there is no state, everybody produces what they can and take what they need, there is no money whatsoever involved. Now, tell me of 1 (one) nation that experienced communism :)
Regarding the “Guz” character # 33
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#28 I would like to take him somewhat seriously, but to do so would affront his wretched intelligence. BTW: He's proven in previous posts that he's not from Uruguay. (If you read into his foolishness, one quickly realizes the numerous dim-witted contradictions.)
@28 That's pure communism, you muppet. Go and actually read some literature.
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#28
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of us lived through the cold war and have friends who had the misfortune to live in countries under the control of the Soviet Union, or in the mess that was cultural revolution China. You are too young to remenber that, so I suggest you shut up.
@31
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Define communism then (a hint, definition doesn't change with age) :)
Have you read the manifest? No, well, then don't talk about communism, because you have no clue what you are talking about :)
@32 It's manifesto you knob.
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is trade bad also? Seems like a very basic human characteristic to do so. Even cave men did so judging by prehistoric finds. And whats the difference between trading an item for money or another item?
I think most would agree that theres a huge difference between trading an item for money - and the banks and money men playing roulette with that money.
If you aspire to a pure system of communism/self sufficiency than I suppose you need to make a start by stop using the computer.
Your response was so characteristic, it made me laugh, Geoff. Missed this. :)
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Tobers
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said I was a communist nor that I agreed with its ideology, please quote a post where I do that :)
I'm merely telling you that you don't have a clue wha you are on about :)
~32
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you? Obviously you know all about bills of lading (that's what a manifest is), but I suspect you have never read serious books on the history of the 20th century or studied the history of Stalin's persecution of the kulaks, the show trials in the 30s and 40s, and the idiocy of Mao's great leap forward? Are you aware of what happened in Pol pot's Cambodia? Have you read Solzhenitsin or Koestler? If you have, and you still believe that communism is a good thing, then all I can say is that you deserve to live in a communist paradise like that created by Pol Pot.
Oh, and by the way I studied modern european history and politics, so unlike you I do have a passing knowledge of what communism means in practice. If your knowledge of it is limited to the communist manifesto, then you are sadly ignorant.
@37
May 02nd, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I read about european history, and actually, the only place in the world (and in history) that experienced proper communism was the Commune of Paris :) Check it out ;)
I would never defend those characters you mention, but blaiming their actions on communism would be like blaiming the ideology of capitalism for the atrocities made in SA, Africa, Middle East and so on and so on...
Paris commune? Have you read the American ambassodor's report on the the atrocities perpetuated by the communardes? If you really believe that the communardes were the folk heros that they were proclaimed by deluded left wing intellectuals, then you really are a lost cause!
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tend not to read science fiction... But either way, I still haven't said I defend communism :)
Referring to post #40: He attempts to defend ignorance and being schizophrenic, but has failed in both. Sadly, he's still living with his mother in some wretched hovel lashing out with anyone that speaks negatively about Cristina. (I imagine she’s the mother he fantasizes he had, and perhaps he pretends to be his alter ego Maximo by eating soy oil creampuffs all day long dreaming of these delusions.)
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As GreekYoghurt wrote today: “Here Freud would suggest [he's] using the pathological [schizophrenic] defense mechanism of [adolescent] distortion... using a combination of dissociation and identification in order to reinforce [his] own perceptions of being not-argentine.”
Just as I thought - you have not read one of the few independent eye witness accounts of the commune. And your knee jerk reaction suggests that you are totally unaware that at that time the US was decidedly more progressive than most of Europe.
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Again I say to you, I'm really flattered yout are trying to kiss our arses, but it STILL doesn't make Argentinian :)
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(4) GeoffWard
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Camillas words ……….. :
*** “Cómo les duele cuando Chile toma conciencia, esto es señal de que avanzamos” ***.
Are directly extrapolated and inferred from:
1) An old Arab proverb….:
“Los perros ladran…., la caravana pasa”
2) A (wrong) quote of Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra’s Don Quijote de la Mancha …..:
”Ladran, Sancho…., señal de que cabalgamos”.
3) Goethe’s poem “Kläffer”….:
“Und seines Bellens lauter Schall. Beweis't nur, daß wir reiten.”
Well chosen, classical and lucid words from a classic cultivated young Latinamerican beauty with her hearth and mind in the right place.
Stop being such overmature , insufferable Briton :-)
My wife is Chilena and she comes from the absolute bottom of the socio-economic barrel in Chile. Very poor. She got a degree and learned stellar English along the way. How did she do it? She studied hard, and went through college on a beca the whole way. She barely paid a dime. The Chilean government has had scholarship programs in place for those who want to work hard. See, that's the whole point right there. Working HARD. She doesn't have a whole lot of patience with these people who want everything for free considering she earned her scholarship. Average close to 7's, that's all it takes. But wait, that involves studying a lot, not partying all the time....etc.
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trust me, I know a lot of poor Chileans, her brother for one, who think they got the shaft because there was no free college for them. When my wife explains how she actually studied a LOT and ended up paying next to nothing, they automatically think somehow she knew somebody, etc. Chile is advancing due to some very hard-working people and a shitload of copper. I love Chile, absolutely love it. But, trust me when I say that there are many many Chileans who aren't exactly real go-getters. There's still a large demographic that feels entitled to a lot of things for free.
@45 She got a beca and complains on those that wants thing for free? What did she study? Bachelor in double morals? :)
May 02nd, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Viejas cuicas fachas”............
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And
“Piojas resucitadas”...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovp6QodjhLI
@46
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All hail - Guzz has again spoken to us mortals with his ultimate wisdom
@48 I think Guzz has gone off to enamor himself over a photo of an average-looking chilean commie.
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here I was reading your posts and trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by thinking to myself...“no, Guzz can't possibly be that much of a fucknut”. But alas, you are. She earned a scholarship you shithead. If you need help with your English, I'll help you....sound it out, urn, ern, earn. There you go. The people marching for free education want it given to them. She earned it by getting 7's in just about every subject. That means it wasn't “given” to her for free. Do you understand the difference? Hurry up and go ask Karl Marx and see if he understands, he'll explain it to you. That's right, he croaked. Try Chavez maybe??
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have tried in the past to give Guzz the benefit of doubt but it does not work.
I think we all understood what you meant by earning a scholarship, your country is not the only one where people think everything should be given without having to earn it.
Good luck to your wife
The road map for leftists/Socialists/Communists is the same everywhere and everytime. Promise certain groups of people a freebie (free healthcare, free education, etc) that someone else, generally the so called rich, will pay for. The Socialists then skim off a good part of the money for themselves, seize power and then institute totalitarian conditions involving the squashing of dissent and often mass murder. The “red diapered” girl is playing the same cards. The question is are Chileans dumb enough to take the bait. Their moronic Argentine neighbors certainly are.
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 25 )
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your wife is Russian ?
I am certain who is Dlinniy , Krasiviy, Meladoy !....doesnt she ....
Is she always Vesyoliy ?
Why are young South Americans so in to politics?
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and why do they get so much publicity?
Its totally different in Europe.
(52) Wesley Mouch
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The turnip says:
“The road map for leftists/Socialists/Communists is the same everywhere and everytime............ The Socialists seize power and then institute totalitarian conditions involving the squashing of dissent and often mass murder.....”
I say:
Everytime and everywhere I return to Scandinavia and northern Europe (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Island, Denmark, Germany, Holland, Austria etc.etc.etc.) it is the same............ Those Socialist totalitarian conditions, that squashing of dissent and all that mass murder.....
Wesley Mouch, you are not just a Turnip.... You are an ignorant turnip!
( 25 )
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could your gentle reply be ... Blagadaryu Spasipa ..!
@55 While you're busy calling people vegetables, can I just educate you that Germany, Holland and Austria aren't in Northern Europe. They're in Western Europe.
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is in Northern Europe though, thanks for asking. So is Iceland.
Dear Mr Think (not):
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must remember history where the National Socialists, Soviet Socialists, Chinese Socialists, Vietnamese Socialists and Cuban Socialists have liquidated over 100 million people for failure to go along. But as Stalin said the detah of millions is merely a statistic. More close to home CFK stamps on freedom, Castro jails anyone who disgarees and Chavez steals all that he can. Granted the incompetent sclerotic Socialists in current Europe have not killed enough to make a glorious revolution but theirs is a soft tyranny with an upcoming coming economic collapse in the wind. I suppose if you are a parasite getting the free lunch you may favor this.
(58) wesley mouch
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said before; an Ignorant turnip........
Lighten up guys,
May 02nd, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the main picture is in the news
[Is she pretty or not ]
Lighten up .
.
Yeap, she´s very right. Chile needs to advance and improve a lot more in education, so nobody in his/her right mind will lend ears to her commies speeches that are like listen Marx, Engels or any dinosauric communist leader. Not for nothing is nicknamed “Fidel Castro´s granddaughter” .
May 02nd, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 Average (a 5 pinter)
May 02nd, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgetit, Think,
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0it's good to have you back together on the same topic.
Just like the old days.
Still in the UK so some of my recent postings may not have the nuance of being on the spot. So keep posting information as well as opinion; I value it.
Regards,
Geoff
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