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Timerman tells Hammond world is safer with creativity than “bombing civilians”
Argentine Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman replied to recent demands of an apology made by UK Defence Minister Phillip Hammond over a controversial Olympic advert shot in the Falkland Islands, and urged London to “honour the deaths of those who died in the 1982 conflict by constructing peace.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Mr. Hammond should know that the world is safer when you choose to use creativity rather than bombing civilians in independent countries,” he continued.
May 07th, 2012 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Iraq? Afghanistan? or Libya?
It is the two witches who are really running the anti Falklands crusade.Tinpotman is just the teaboy making the yerba mate.
May 07th, 2012 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I saw Alicia Castro on Sky yesterday and she was very intimidating threatening Britain with being shut out of Latam if Britain doesnt hand over the Falklands.No apologies for the advert or the blockades.
What do you expect from a regime which is a cross between the Nazis and the Mafia.She didn't convince anybody if the posts on the Sky and Telegraph websites are anything to go by.There were only a handful saying 'give peace a chance' and they were posted later in the day once the Argies got out of bed.
She even mentioned the rigged Telegraph poll (without mentioning that it was rigged ) as proof that the British wanted to 'hand over the Malvinas'. Her 'soft power diplomacy' will turn out to be just as much an own goal as all the rest of the Argentine efforts.
2 STRATEGICUS
May 07th, 2012 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0She even mentioned theTelegraph poll, that's right!
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 62.71% (18,970 votes)
No 24.73% (7,482 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.56% (3,799 votes)
Great job Abassador Castro!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc
..and the Argentine government refuses to talk to civilians.if they are elected by and represent the Falklanders.
May 07th, 2012 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, shut up about that poll, you know and the world knows it was fixed by Argie malvinistas spreading the poll through social networks. Next you'll be claiming the North Korean elections are also fine because they have 99% approval.
May 07th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0THis guy is nuts. Anyone who knew nothing about the dispute who read this piece would think the countries were already at war again. What a distorted bastard he is. We're quite happy with how peaceful things are now and it'd be even MORE peaceful if the Argentine government would stop harassing us.
May 07th, 2012 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The most militarised region in the world. What a lying hypocritical prick he is.
As for Alicia Castro; I've seen more civilised trade union officials than that arrogant bitch. The Sky interview revealed her for what she is. Their tactic is clearly to harass the UK until they take some action against them (ban them from the Olympis, throw Alicia Castro out or some sort of trade embargo, etc) and then cry “foul play” to the world.
It isn't going to work CFK. We're still here and here we are going to remain.
However Marcos, in polls that the malvinistas didn't get to fix: “61% of voters say that ”Britain should protect the Falklands so long as the islanders want protecting, no matter what the cost“.
May 07th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is against just 32% who believe Britain must ”be ready to negotiate with Argentina over the eventual handover“ of this ”distant outpost of a forgotten era“.
This near two-to-one margin suggests that Argentinian complaints about ”imperialism“ and ”militarisation“ have failed to carry across the 8,000 miles of ocean that separate the islands from the British ”mainland“.
There is a clear overall majority for defending the Falklands across all social classes, regions and nations, save for Wales. But even there protecting the Falklanders at all costs receives 49% backing, as opposed to 39% of support for negotiating a handover.”
So if UK is not willing to talk that means that would be another war like this?
May 07th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33NNL5fbev8
8 Dany
May 07th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why? If we don't talk is Argentina going to start a war? That doesn't sound like giving peace a chance.
In which you lose? Yes, Dany, one just like that. It doesn't matter how you fight the battles if you lose the war.
May 07th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 08 DanyBerger
May 07th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. The next Falkalnds war would not be like the last one. As they have said, British military technology is 21st Century. We have some of the very best kit and our armed forces are the best trained.
The Argentinian forces are STILL using hand-me-downs from Uncle Sam. They are still stuck in the 1980's so no, it won't be like the last one, it would be more like a Duck shoot.
Marcos (I've grown quite fond of him for being a Malvinista-at least he is quite polite in his posts ;unlike some) is typical of his breed.
May 07th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0He does not take a blind bit of notice of what the pro Brits say.
Analysis has shown that 16,000 of the votes on the Telegraph poll on the Falklands came from Argentina via the links on the Argie websites. The editor of the Telegraph is well aware of this as it was brought to his notice several times.I think things are different now.
As for Latam solidarity one thing I noticed on the Sky and Telegraph websites was the number of Brazilians, Uruguayans and Chileans who said they disliked (to be more precise hated) Argentina and Argentinians as they always looked down their noses at them.The complaint of being called 'little monkeys' by the Argies sticks in my mind.
8 Dany
May 07th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just watched your little clip but it seemed to be missing the end bit. Don't worry though, you just have to look on YouTube. Do a search for “1982 Argentine surrender”. You'll find plenty of films that you can add on the end of your little clip.
Strategicus: do you have a link to where it states how many votes were cast from Argentina? I've emailed Victoria Ward requesting her to post a poll, better worded, again with either the IP's traced or the poll restricted to UK addresses.
May 07th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Boovis
May 07th, 2012 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I actually communicated with the Telegraph editor and Andrew Rosindell about this poll but it was not them who gave me the info.
From memory I think the analysis was done on a commercial Argentine search engine optimisation website and as my son is in that line of work he helped me to interpret the info.It was definitely an Argentine site.
As a cross reference I (as an accountant/statistician) discounted the Argentine votes and ended up being quite close to the subsequent British only poll (which I think was in the Guardian or Independent.)
The other poll was in the Guardian, yep. I have Victoria Ward's email and telephone number if you're willing to call her and request a new, transparent poll.
May 07th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Says Titman, whose local version of the Hitler youth recently bombed the office of the EU in Buenos Aires.
May 07th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely what we need is a poll that only allows Falkland Island IP addresses, that is all that should count.
May 07th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Boovis
May 07th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am a member of the Falkland Islands Association and want to help the islanders in their struggle against the CFK nazi mafia so if you contact them I would be very willing to do what you request.
What I would say is that with 14 June just over the horizon I am expecting several new 'watertight' polls to be enacted anyway and all of them will probably show even larger pro Falklander majorities now that the British people have been subjected to several months of Argie propaganda( which seems to have backfired.)
Reading Clarin (via Google Translate) it looks like the next few surprises up CFKs sleeve include her appearance at the Decolonisation session at the UN on 14 June and her attempting to take Britain and/or some of its military to the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague.
I sometimes get the impression that our (William) Hague is asleep on the job regarding the Falklands.That is why a kick up the backside by people like Andrew Rosindell does not go amiss.
18: perhaps, but a new poll that specifically states why a new poll is needed would stop that bulldog faced Castro from peddling out the old poll to support her increasingly dubious claims.
May 07th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The war crimes tribunal accusations are very clever , because if the UK counters with Argie war crimes such as :
May 07th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0transporting troops and ammunition on the Bahia Paraiso hospital ship ,
sowing unmarked minefields of plastic mines which are hard to detect ,
storing ammunition in buildings marked with red crosses ,
firing after having raised white flags ,
threatening children with loaded guns and
using civilians as hostages ( Goose Green )
to name but a few .....
the KFC govt will reply ....
Altogether now ..... ( In parrot fashion )
Those were the actions of an illegal de facto military government ,
put into power under Operation Condor by the Americans and the UK , so nothing to do with us .
Remember readers , they want us to believe there are 2 Argentinas , the one before and the after,
but the claims of the one before are still the claims of the one after , so what is the difference ?
@21 you can add to that list,
May 07th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0i) state sponsored terrorism - they continue to pension off those involved in operation condor, that hijacked a plane and tried to shoot the islanders after landing somewhere in stanley, and planned other bombings.
ii) state sponsored terrorism - current La Campora (militant wing of the Front for Tyranny), bombing an EU office.
iii) Accompanying Belgrano fleet fleeing in panic and refusing to pick up those dying in the water, regardless of the submarine captain advising that he would not shoot further torpedoes.
iv) putting land-mines in unmapped fields, and finally just chucking them out of planes.
v) conspiring with Israel to transport munitions using civilian transport as a cover.
... the list of 'crimes' goes on and on and on.
GY : Let's not forget “ Operacion Algeciras ”.... The good ol' freedom fighting
May 07th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Montoneros buried their differences with the big bad miltary and combined to launch a commando raid on the Royal Navy base at Gibraltar .
By this stage , the montoneros had been turned anyway.The right wing faction actively worked with the Navy under Massera .
They betrayed all the genuine leftwing revolutionaries ( the parents of a lot of camporistas ), who were all rounded up and killed by the navy kidnap squads .
The irony is , these surviving montoneros who sold their comrades out are now all getting extremely rich in the government and are using all the camporista children of the ones they had killed to spread their propaganda .
While we are all talking about the Falklands /Malvinas issue , the KFC govt are robbing the country blind .They actually couldn't care less about the Islands , they are just a convenient smokescreen.
Most argentines already know this , just read the comments sections of the newspapers .
Where are those Islands?
May 07th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=iYxXDmYWNk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=iYxXDmYWNk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=iYxXDmYWNk8
Dany's thinking is that if you don't know where some people that need help are, you don't have the right to aid them. Nice attitude.
May 07th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 The best part of Operacion Algeciras was when the Spanish police arrested them, and being the Spanish (not a moral between them) they took the bombers out for dinner and had photos with them and then put them on a flight back to Buenes Aires via the Canary Islands [the irony].
May 07th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's what make it funny to see the Spanish getting their fingers bitten by their best friends, the argtardians.
Is not giving your soldiers dog-tags so that they can be easily identified a war crime? or just a crime against humanity? Either way, Timmerwoman should be aware that it's the FIG government that the Red Cross has to talk to, and not the British Government for their Live-corpse Bone-show in HD.
you have been burnt islanders, be warned
May 07th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0if you let the argies anywhere nere those graves then you will have this film mark 2 all over again, they will use it against you,
they have no respect, no pride nothing,
do not let them get anywhere neer the graves
not a war crime just incompetence.
May 07th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0no unidentified british dead
As for you argies, remember this,
May 07th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0the living are just the dead on holiday,
soon you will all join them, one way or another,
respect is not just a word,
respect has to be earned .
I'm with Beef (@17) insofar as it's pretty interesting to see La Campora bombing civilian targets, i.e. EU offices, and he sits there saying creativity is better? Is this something he figured out after La Campora (militant wing of his party, the Front for Tyranny) started their bombing campaign?
May 07th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0”He has yet to provide details regarding which punishment he will enact against us if we fail to meet his demands.”
Same punishment that Argentina will enact if we fail to meet your demands on annexation of a British Overseas Territory, against the will of the inhabitants. Absolutely nothing.
You're useless, goldtimmermanberg. Get over it.
Earlier posted: They can't fight except with words:
May 07th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I had a lunch yesterday with a friend who is still an active senior officer in our navy.
Chile is even in better conditions today than I thought as now all 4 of our submarines are able to effectively paralyze any navy, except the Americans, the British, the French or the Canadians. (Well, the Canadians in about two years…) Yes, we actually can stop the Russian navy, but don’t ask…
The Argentine navy readiness is actually worse than I’ve reported in the past, with serious maintenance and supply issues that have become painfully impossible to ignore by their admiralty. Several ships are no longer able to leave port with full power available. (Their 4 German built frigates are each powered by two Rolls Royce turbans. You can therefore imagine their problems.) Also, for some bizarre reason, foreign suppliers are demanding payment via a non-Argentine bank letter of credit. …Imagine…
Finally, their budget is so tight right now, they do not do test missile firings, which is completely understandable as they are so damn expensive, until you realize, THEY DON’T DO TESTING AT ALL. NADA! ZIP! There are some commanding Argentine officers who have never seen a live missile launch of an Exocet.
They do have better meals on board than Chile or Brazil. The Chilean admiralty has someone doing a comparison and they report that their diet is still with more protein and higher in calories.
Apparently the current government sent a confidential memorandum to all regional Argentine military commanders with all the typical CFK political B.S. rhetoric , but also reassuring the armed forces that an active physical aggression by Argentina was not being considered at this time. The memo concluded that international support would eventually force the UK to finally accept reason and release the south Atlantic territories back to where they rightfully belong.
“Mr. Phillip Hammond is a fearful adversary,”
May 07th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why, because he tells the truth? Because he can't be bought? because his taste in women is not limited to the re-animated corpse of a long dead leader?
Timmerman you are a water tight, 4 berth, sea-going c**k-up. No one understands what you are talking and no one wants to know. I think you should take Sir John Gielgud advise ”Please, try not to speak”
@31 Considering the feeling of resolve in the UK over this issue, and them stabbing their allies in the back, international support is unlikely to force the UK to accept their demands. They better get testing their missiles and saddle up those water horses then, because that's clearly their final call.
May 07th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another one for the Argtardasaurus:
'Accepting reason' = submitting to Argtard illogic and lies
They are seriously a bunch of retards, It's like watching The Keystone Cops do politics.
May 07th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They ignore the FIG and address their requests to Westminster and then wonder why they don't get a reply. The same with this 3 flights a week BS.
They don't learn, and they don't learn from their mistakes, it's like the first thing that anyone does when they get into power is catch Asperger's Syndrome. What is wrong with that country.
27 Briton : Bodies are just currency or bargaining chips to this montonero filth .
May 07th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not being content with killing ex-president Aramburu in 1970 , a couple of years later they stole his corpse and traded it for the return of Evita's corpse .
No montoneros died in the war of '82 , so why should they suddenly be so concerned now ?
Chicureo , agree with you about the navy .They mostly have second jobs anyway , so are too busy to provoke fights with te UK.
#31 at least the navy got some fresh toilet paper the memo would have been treated with contempt as insane orders often are.
May 07th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still there is no apology coming from Argenweener now theres a suprise,
May 07th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really hope they try something at the Olympics for the world to see how unreasonable Argenweener is. fingers crossed
Mr. Timerman is being cinic because the Arg gov post it is helping to increase the hate aginst british nation inside Argentina. The “hate” it is essential to start a war anyday in future.
May 07th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the Clarin today:
May 07th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CORRUPCIÓN Y PODER
Negocios con Venezuela: otro acuerdo bajo sospecha
A strange company, linked to the presidential campaign of Cristina Kirchner and Julio De Vido, has been exposed as a complicated money laundering scheme with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
“Mr. Hammond should know that the world is safer when you choose to use creativity rather than bombing civilians in independent countries,”
May 07th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely, well said. If Timmerman composed all the quotes mentioned in the article his rhetorical skill is really quite something, I think he'd make a good presidential candidate if my Queen doesn't run next time =) Whereas...
#39 “the presidential campaign of Cristina Kirchner and Julio De Vido”
Now theres an idea!!!
#6 Joe all trade unionists are civilised, its uncivilised regimes that ban them
#20 “that bulldog faced Castro” Its not her beautiful face but her spirit that is bulldog
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299154/what-s-wrong-argentina-matthew-shaffer?pg=1
May 07th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299154/what-s-wrong-argentina-matthew-shaffer?pg=1o/id3339.html
This is all starting to unravel for Argentina.
Oh Timerman. Chuckle, chuckle. I wonder if he even reaslises the crap that he spouts out of his mouth!
May 07th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands being the most militarised region in the world. What with about 1,000 troops, 4 aircraft and 1 naval vessel?!?
Maybe compared to the Argentine military it does seem rather a lot of military people, but since we didn't fall for the 'remove all the defences from the Falklands, we won't invade - honest!' line, he's having to resort to other - I can't say tactics because this man wouldn't understand tactics if they were dancing naked in front of him.
Every country in the world must be laughing at Argentina now.
However, we should really annoy them by sending more troops. Let's say 5 chefs from the RLC and 2 Royal Marine bandsmen. That'd learn 'em, and then they can run back to the UN crying about how the British are being mean to them. LOL
Timerman = idiot!
#41 Great article for non-Argentineans in the National Review: Thanks for sharing it! I would add that money, lots of it, is pouring across the Chilean border. I can book an entire skiing vacation in Argentina and “pre-pay” here to a “limited company” for 35% less than what it would cost paying at location with cash. (Pay with a credit card in Argentina? They go nuts, as it's traceable...)
May 07th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, the Apple Iphone comment: Same here in Chile.
Devaluation estimate is 8 to 14 months.
I have a feeling that eventually poor old Timmerman will be blamed for the mistakes of CFK and her cronies, or whoever is really ruling Argentina. That's what happens to the yes-men of the dishonest.
May 07th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite ironic that the foreign Minister of a country that invaded the falklands illegally in 1982 talks about crassness of “bombing civilians”.
May 07th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cretin.
Marcos, as you are such a close confidant of Twitterman perhaps you can list the places and dates in the last 30 years say where UK has deliberatley bombed civilians?
May 07th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In wartime accidents happen - and that has been accepted for centuries- today with technology they are far fewer - but still some are inevitable.
Same as the ocasional soldier(s) cracking mentally under the strain and going crazy with a gun - that is tragic but not policy.
Trouble is Arg has no military record and knowledge to accept and understand reality!
As for the militarized Islands - with our one small patrol vessel and a 30mm cannon on it- no other surface ship about here since early March!
Oh no- I forgot- you of course mean the telephone repeater masts that Twit so eloquently showed at the UN as nasty British Command And Control Centres!
Or was it the “secret long range army rader at Goosegreen” - alias the british and canadian reaseach survey antennae studying the Ionosphere!!
Or was it the “cache of Nuclear Bombs etc” - that UK actaully scrapped and destroyed in UK some 40 odd years ago when Polaris took over the UK Deterrent!!
Or is it the ”secret underground(under a mountain I guess?) nuclear submarine base”!!
Please tell us - which one is it?
Or is it actually just the usual Twitterman fantasy stories!!
This might interest some of you....
May 07th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100128/diplomacy-under-fire-from-loose-cannon-foreign-minister
Tin Head now being slaughtered off his own media in Buenos Aires:
May 07th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100128/diplomacy-under-fire-from-loose-cannon-foreign-minister
RG politicans are basically just unfit to govern.
#47&48 Well thats one opinion. Frankly having just read the article I'm rooting for Timmerman all the more =)
May 07th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British_Kirchnerist: Maybe the headline of this article should be:
May 07th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Timmerman tells Hammond world is safer with creativity than “dumping civilians into the sea”
It's a shame really, Don Jacobo Timmerman was a truly dignified, brave and intelligent man who, through his newspaper “La Opinión” fought a battle of words against the military dictatorship until he was kidnapped and tortured, and only escaped with his life through the good offices of Israel, USA, Britain, France, the Scandinavian countries and many others.
May 07th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His son is just not a chip off the old block, no bravery, intelligence, and certainly no dignity.
@51 You're not kidding. The lot of them seem to be lacking somewhat in the skills that are required to interface with other countries at a political level.
May 07th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some weird paranoid discussion on Newscorp telling Phil Hammond MP that bombing civilians is terrible, when I'm pretty sure a dossier on who exactly bombed the UN office in Argentina is quite likely to be sat on his desk.
Like, why make yourself look a tit?
@3 A known lying argie manipulation. Don't bother again.
May 07th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 No. There won't be another war like that. Because the next time we will wipe your aircraft out of the sky. Just before we wipe you off the face of the planet.
@24 Garbage.
@40 Desperation. If you composed all suitable words from a dictionary you could make up incredible speeches. Like 1,000 monkeys with typewriters could produce all the works of Shakespeare, given enough time! You don't have to explain about Castro being a dog. She's an argie. Of course she's a dog.
@49 That's because you're a prick! Never mind. Just surrender yourself. We'll always be glad to put you out of our misery!
Don't you just love it when you read “Argentine Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman replied / bleated / whined”, etc.
May 07th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This twat brings a smile onto my face irrespective of whatever else is going on in the world.
Britain could not afford to pay for this sort of publicity. Ha, ha, ha.
You should always bomb certain kind of civilians, it's the right thing to do.
May 07th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is so funny that Timerman is so against the Empire when he is also a citizen of the USA hahaha Malvinistas are like that, liars and cowards. Don't believe a word they say, they are always telling lies.
In terms of the Buenos Aires Herald piece...
May 07th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”In this context, is this long response, stretching over three pages, loaded with aggression (despite invocations of Gandhi), ignoring the universal rules of diplomacy and almost personally directed at the Defence Secretary and the British people, truly representative of how a Foreign Minister should act? Is this DIPLOMACY? Is this how Timerman represents President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, and Argentina?“
Sadly yes...this is how he has been representing Argentina...has this only just been noticed? Given the similarity in style to some of the comments on here I'd been wondering if Hector was actually single handedly trying to respond to every blog comment on the interweb...it would explain a lot...
”If he was that interested in war, perhaps he should have left the drafting of the statement to Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli.“
I'm not sure Mr Arturo ”Maybe its a good idea to criticise a country of militarisation while standing in front of an Air Force parade celebrating the 30th anniversary of an attack on that country“ Puricelli would be my choice if I wanted to calm things down on diplomacy front. If I was the casting agent for an Argentine cross between Yes Minister and Twenty Twelve maybe he'd get a look in...
”It is clear that Timerman not only lacks the weapons of diplomacy (and, as shown by the barely cohesive three-page text, he did not inherit the editing skills of his late father, Jacobo)“
I was beginning to wonder if it was all a case of ”lost in translation“...clearly not...
”A lack of co-ordination? Or is it that the Ambassador is coordinated with the President, while Timerman is more concerned with showing off, regardless of the weapons of choice?”
I'm not sure it is possible to co-ordinate with Ms Castro and Ms Kirchner. Watching comments from Timerman/Castro/Krichner/Puricelli over the past few days has been the diplomatic equivalent of watching 5 years olds playing football...
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100179/govt-accepts-industry-deputysecretary-resignation-fifth-departure-within-a-month--
May 07th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like La Campora will be infiltrating this government department as well soon.
lol Argentina is fucked for many many years even after kfc goes away.
May 07th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0trolly dolly Castro and Timmerman.
such fails
#51 But he is a political chip off the old block, his father was a heroic fighter against the junta that his government has jailed
May 07th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 great article, thanks for linking it. I thought I would share one of the comments in it. Really helps to understand Argentina ...
May 07th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'SouthAmericaObserver 05/07/12 14:35
After living for some time in Buenos Aires and elsewhere in Argentina and being fully immersed in the language, culture and family, I have puzzled for years over the question “What's Wrong with Argentina?” I was really curious to understand what could explain the many odd, disrespectful, selfish, reckless, aggressive, and counter-productive or irrational behaviors I noticed on a daily basis in both private and public Argentine life.
Among the behaviors I have in mind are Argentine drivers recklessly endangering each other daily; pedestrians refusing to yield to each other; clerks annoyed to service their customers; paralyzed, inefficient and rude government bureaucracy and bureaucrats; people in close proximity speaking in a loud, agressive and hostile way; individuals not keeping personal or professional commitments and appointments and then fabricating excuses; thousands of soccer fans shouting violent obscenities in unison and organizing as violent mafias; groups of disgruntled citizens routinely stopping traffic at will on the principal roadways of the capital causing losses to thousands of fellow citizens and doing so with impunity; levels of street crime so high that nearly every acquaintance has been victimized at least once; government officials lying, punishing honesty, stealing public funds and private property and opposing a free press; the torture and murder of dissident citizens (past), and the making of agressive war (past). And it appears many Argentines have a constitutional inability to accept personal or national responsibility for inappropriate behavior and make amends. Instead there seems to be a society-wide compulsion to make excuses, blame others and complain of victimization.
And the most recent examples are the Argentine government's statements and actions regarding the
@58 You're not wrong. it's dripping in epic fail.
May 07th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0part 2 @60
May 07th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- actions regarding the Falkland Islands, oil company expropriation, and Olympic improprieties.
The notion that seems to me best able to explain this pattern of selfish/agressive behavior is that the Argentine culture is permeated by this simple belief; “I” (or my group) am more important/valuable than “You” (or yours).
And since what “I” want is more important (correct, just, necessary) than what “You” want “I” must have the right to have it regardless of the effect my getting it may have on “You.”
This is the same attitude found in 2 year olds, dictators and other sociopathic folks (often living in prisons) which inclines them to behave in those annoyingly self-absorbed and destructive ways we are all too familiar with.
My prescription for Argentina? Get some therapy. Grow up. You'll get the respect an adult deserves when you act like one.
(50) Chicureo
May 07th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Timmerman tells Hammond world is safer with creativity than “dumping civilians into the sea”
I say:
You are being quite disgusting now.......
It is you that proudly represent South American/ Yankee military fascism in here, the proud inventors of that “dumping” method .
It is you that liked soooooooo much that Chilean kids song in Yankee television..........., obviously ignoring it was one of Victor Jara's best.
The same Victor you, uniformed bastards, cutted the hands off.
You obviously do not know who Hector Timerman is, what he stands for or who his father was.
But we do.........................
@63 Hector Timmerwoman isn't his father, and shouldn't be making comments about killing civilians when La Campora are bombing EU offices full of civilians. He should get his act together.
May 07th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, he didn't even explain why he thinks he owns South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. He just makes no sense.
I guess the reason he's still allowed to rant on inanely is that he can organise more weaponry from Israel, sent on civilian planes, just like last time it all kicked off.
@60 Steve
May 07th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some interesting observations, especially when measured against the recognised traits of a sociopath as based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.
#Grandiose Sense of Self - feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
#Manipulative and Conning - never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviours as permissible.
#Pathological Lying - no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis.
#Shallow Emotions - when they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
#Poor Behavioural Controls/Impulsive Nature - Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, and no concern for their impact on others.
#Irresponsibility/Unreliability - Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed - (does 1982 and “it wasn't us it was the junta” ring any bells?)
That was an abridged version of the complete list which can be found on the following link.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
It's called 'Profile of a Sociopath' but could just as easily be 'Profile of an Argentine'
I was deeply moved by Jacobo Timerman’s book Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number, and also was deeply disturbed and questioned my own personal beliefs after reading his later book critical of President Pinochet. (There was some things written that I thought were just lies, but there were other things that worried me.) But anyway, I admired him for his bravery. His son Hector, I have no respect for. He’s a buffoon of populist Peronist fascism, and you know it THINK. The response I made was after all the thuggish comments made by the idiots on CFK's side. By the way, did you see todays post attacking now against the Jews?
May 07th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don Jacobo was a real Argentine hero. I just wonder what Javier and Daniel think about their brother's ridiculous performance on the world stage.
May 08th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0One lives in NYC and the other in Israel. Their brother, Héctor, has wrapped himself in the banner of Partido Justicialista human rights, which is the last refuge of scoundrels.
May 08th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina need to repay it's Billion Dollar + debts to UK. The Media could do a real service to the it's readership by revealing the economic chaos in Argentina rather than focussing on their provocative rhetoric !
May 08th, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0REMEMBER:
There are few mass graves of those killed by Argentina's junta as many of the victims were dropped out of helicopters alive over the South Atlantic.
Purhaps they should be putting those responsible for it in prison rather than talking crap?
A hand full of people really isn't enough, when the vast majority escaped justice - http://www.yendor.com/vanished/junta.html
Argentina is a product of colonialism, conquered by the sword, most of the natives killed and infected by disease, their land taken from them and worked by imported African slaves, oversean by imported European colonials. The African's who made up 50% of the population would themselves completely disapear from Argentina between 1850-1900 in what could have been a chilling fore runner to the disareances of the Dirty War in the 1970's when an estimated 30,000 Argentines were raped, tortured and murdered, many more were held illegally in detention camps and tortured. The true figure for the dead could be as high as 100,000, no one knows because there is little official documentation and most bodies were dumped in the sea.
May 08th, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
No content only insults, well as usual what can you expect from low class from the countryside?
May 08th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The more I think about it, the more I think Timmerman would be an excellent President....if the incomparable Cristina doesn't run again
May 08th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0BR If you care about your country, Timmerman is not the choice as a president.
May 08th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 01. He's built his reputation on his heroic father's human rights record and bravery and converted it into a political franchise to rise to the position he is today. He knows nothing about economices and your country needs someone to pick up the pieces when things go to heck again.
Have you heard him speak in public? He sounds like the local neighborhood dentist... extracting a molar...
@73 Timmerman lectured to the UN and the UN laughed back.
May 08th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Marcos Alejandro----- Were you born a complete idiot or did you practice at it in your spare time. Every person in the world knows that in a newspaper rag poll all they have to do is write in under false names and email addresses AND YOU CAN FIX THE POLL TO WHAT EVER YOU WANT IT TO SAY. What a berk you are. I can collect as many false email addresses and false and can vote as many times as I want in any newspaper poll. What a frigging dimwit you are. You and That stupid idiot of an Ambassador. Frigging Muppets both of you. Oh and what an own goal it was to film an advert on the Falkland's and publish it to the world. The British firm who you used sucked you into that one didn't they. Frigging amateurs, now the whole world knows what a bunch of tosses’ and losers you are and what a despicable nation you are. Round 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and the rest to us, come back when actually know how the real world lives and works.
May 08th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 08 DanyBerger ----So if UK is not willing to talk that means that would be another war like this?------ Do you live on this planet or another world of your own? Was it Britain who started that war, or was it your country that decided to invade and thieve something that never has and never will belong to them. Or did you think in your stupid biased warped mind that we came down and kicked your sorry frigging arses just for the fun of it.
Well Danny boy the next time you start something like that beware that we won’t stop at defending the Falkland's and kicking your backsides again, the next time we will come on over hunt you lot down like colonists dogs you are and kick your arses on the main land and the next time we will stop all this nonsense once and for all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8etDqvvmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8etDqvvmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8etDqvvmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8etDqvvmQ
Now fuck off.
... two or three or four
May 08th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thousand kilograms of bombs, then we will in one night drop 150-, 230-, 300- or
400000 kilograms. ... We will stop the handiwork of those night air pirates, so help
us God!” ...
Argentina The Outcast:
May 08th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2012/05/137_110558.html
Written by a former member of the Brazilian government and reproduced in Korea of all places.
@77 another cracker, thanks for the link.
May 08th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems like the world is slowly realising the truth about Argentina...
CFK has no choice now if she wants to stay in power, but to continue down this path, further in to the extreme left, closer to Chavez and his Marxist ideology. Worrying for normal SA countries.
@Lou Spoo
May 09th, 2012 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be honest I thought you were describing British personality until I see your clarification in the end.
@Britishbulldog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
Look how sad West seem to be.
79 DanyBerger ----Yes and look at the sad face of Argentina. We might have seemed sad but as you can now see we are actually quite happy souls, however you lot have been sad for the last thirty years, and long may it continue. Sad bastards. Smile Berger man you know you want to.
May 09th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgf0_nh9P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgf0_nh9P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgf0_nh9P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgf0_nh9P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgf0_nh9P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgf0_nh9P0
It is not how many ships you sink, it’s how you react when those ships sink and as you have now seen we reacted in the best possible way by kicking you low life's of the islands and making sure that low life scum get a good kicking if they try to come and steal our property again.
the world is safer with creativity than bombing civilians.........yes, well said
May 09th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0#73 Campora was a dentist =) Timmerman could play the same “personal delegate” role for my Queen....
May 09th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Britishbulldog
May 09th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next time would not be any property left I guess, so don’t worry.
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