President Cristina Fernández said in relation to the controversial Olympic/Malvinas advert that “creativity can’t be censored”, on the contrary it should be “applauded” because it reflects the feelings of the Argentines. The head of state also rejected lifting the spot as demanded by Britain and the Y&R agency in New York. Read full article
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Argentina is a product of colonialism, conquered by the sword, most of the natives killed and infected by disease, their land taken from them and worked by imported African slaves, oversean by imported European colonials. The African's who made up 50% of the population would themselves completely disapear from Argentina between 1850-1900 in what could have been a chilling fore runner to the disareances of the Dirty War in the 1970's when an estimated 30,000 Argentines were raped, tortured and murdered, many more were held illegally in detention camps and tortured. The true figure for the dead could be as high as 100,000, no one knows because there is little official documentation and most bodies were dumped in the sea.May 08th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
The mad cow has spoken: “the Argentine government is not going to apologize for the advert, will not take it off the air as requested by the UK government and the Y&R main offices in New York, and will be polite to the IOC”.May 08th, 2012 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Nows the time for everyone else to strongly complain to the IOC and ask for sanctions.
This woman is living on a different planet to the rest of us.Everything she does makes her and her dysfunctional country look more weird and strange to outsiders. I see the Spanish are getting the EU heavyweights involved in the Repsol battle. Why doesn't Britain get the EU involved in defending EU sovereign territory in the Falklands?May 08th, 2012 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I can't wait to see her make an even bigger fool of herself when she tries to take the UK to the Hague War Crimes Tribunal.
Honestly, I wouldn't oppose sanctions. I would prefer Argentina boycott the Olympic Games (not just London, but all Olympic games, as they are the most corrupt organization that is not a country... and surely London bribed the IOC has have all other hosts prior), but if not, yeah let them sanction us.May 08th, 2012 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It would be the best thing that happens as it would turn the whole country against the IOC. Most people in Argentina don't care about the Olympics as an event, but to have a romantically positive opinion of them nontheless. Sanctions would destroy that viewpoint of the games, which of course as we know is a myth as the Olympic Games are nothing but political theater for the West (and for the Communist block in the past, and for the Nazis and Facists, etc).
The Olympics without politization would be nowhere as wealthy as they are today.
This creative action by Argentine video-makers to deceive Falklands community will be applauded by CFK and those Argentines who have no respect for Falklands people.May 08th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Strangely enough the average ratings (TV) for Argentina during the Beijing Olimpics of 2008 were:May 08th, 2012 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@6May 08th, 2012 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Why don't you post a source instead of dropping numbers out of your fingertips?
And as any real argentine would know, an 18.8 share is a pathetic showing if it were correct. Top tv show finales or world cups get a 50 or even 60 share as in Argentina one can achieve very high shares because people still sit at the dinner table and because dinner is late (9 or 10 at night), which coincides with primetime.
Obviously you are not a real argentine because it is well know the Olympics simply do not arouse the interest of people, and that's the facts sorry. I don't know why this offends so many apparently.
Cool commercial I loved it.May 08th, 2012 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina is a beautiful country how can you not love it, people here should take a chillpill.
the UK has to STOP bullying 3rd world nations. It is disgusting the way they consume natural resources, the way the British Government spends money in weapons of war and in wars that only fill the pockets of corporations involved in petrol and military equipments.May 08th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The people in the islands are first ones that choose not to self-determinate themselves, they would choose not to be governed by a conservative colonial power if they wanted independence... the UK HAS A COLONY in here, no matter how many fairy tales they come up with to explain what is impossible to explain with another intentions that are not colonialism, grabbing of natural resources, expansion of military power in the SouthAtlantic Ocean.
The UK is even expanding its control over new areas on the ocean. Even if all that fairy tale about self-determination was true, they are administrating the resources of areas they had never put a feet on before, close to the Antartic Continent.
Colonial hunger has no limits... But Argentina is claiming and claiming in a peaceful, democratic and diplomatic way. There is no need to have such anger against Argentina, that has always maintained its claim over the Malvinas Islands, there is nothing new.
But on the British side there are always new things, because they have come up with different excuses, they have CHANGED THE FUNDAMENTS according to different contexts in different decades.
I want to leave it clear that I am not talking about the intentions of all british citizens, I am talking about the right-wingers at London, the ones that are always defending corporations, supporting wars that lead to nowhere and selling cheap propaganda to the same british citizens that voted for them, giving them not transparent stories to have their support on these decisions that are a disaster for the development of human kind. What can that be if not a very cynical populism, a very disgusting populism. That could even be called fascism.
Excelent ad.Really only very bitter,unhappy people dislike an ad like that.May 08th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Great choice President Kirchner!
Good sign that the brits are complaining....
Yeah whatever Cristina, I don't hear the IOC clapping.May 08th, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The people in the islands are first ones that choose not to self-determinate themselves, they would choose not to be governed by a conservative colonial power if they wanted independence.
What part of the word 'Choose' do you not understand?
I'm sure Argentina is a beautiful country, just a shame it's full of stinking, lazy, corrupt, dago colonials.
@9 you seem to misunderstand what self-determination is.May 08th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
KFC is a fool and she would heavily lose any election held right now due to her retarded views.
@11May 08th, 2012 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
At least we can smoke without lighting ourselves like a oil lamp.
How often do you pimp your aglo-germo pimples? Do you sell the oil on your face in the market?
Little doubt that the Olympics/Falklands video spot is creative, but then so were pro-Nazi films of Leni Reifenstahl. What really matters isn't creativity, but respect - and its quite obvious that because they hid the true intent of their video and lied to Falkland Islanders, their effort at creativity is tainted.May 08th, 2012 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Even if Argentines persist in their lack of respect for Falkland Islanders, seems obvious that this tainted video means that the dedication to dead soldiers from 1982 is also tainted .
If the video had been done with the full cooperation of the Falkland Islanders - and it could have been if they were respected - it might have signaled a valid effort at community bridge-building. However, it was not to be and again some Argentines are just throwing away opportunities.
Actually, just reading the UPI news about Argentine weapons build-ups suggests that CFK doesn't give a fig for confidence-building, trust and communities - she just wants new Exocets to try to intimidate British defenders of the Falklands. Why does Some chicken, some neck come to mind?
UPI story on Argentine weapons: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/04/18/Argentina-plans-more-defense-manufacturing/UPI-47551334785840/#ixzz1uF0eREBs
I think some of her botox has leaked into her brain, she really has lost it. If the arrogance and denial weren't so sad it would be funny. God, I want Paxman to interview this clot of a leader.May 08th, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
TWIMCMay 08th, 2012 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It seems that Youtube interest is dwindling a bit……
Anyhow…….... Argies still winning biiiiiig….
Long live creativity…. On both sides…..
Argie (original) Version
Kelper (Spoof) Version
#11 really? Lol coming from a brit to an Argentine, that's a complement, we must be doing something right for the Islas Malvinas Argentina issue to be in front of the spot light at UK expenses again. Maybe UK is just envious of Argentine politicians who used a 100 $ garage video to mock the armed british ships at Islas Malvinas and their lavish display of missiles at the Olympics.May 08th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
16: what's that to do with anything? It just proves your people are more concerned about this issue and are doing as your government tells you. Also, as the second video was made on a home computer on an island rather than a giant advertising agency with massive resources i'd say F.I. wins, hands down, as opposed to the Argie army who lost, hands up.May 08th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Most Brazilians are repulsed by this ad. Now it is beyond any reasonable doubt that Argentina will never convince the whole of South America to support its filthy colonialism. Argentinians should wake up and defenestrate this c*nt before she sends them to another humiliating military defeat.May 08th, 2012 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I applaud this ad, it shows how deeply Malvinas are attached to our hearts and that sovereignety over OUR islands is not subject to doubt. Too much fuss about an ad when you pirates are making a vulgar military force display in our peaceful and anti-colonialist region. If you meddle with Argentina, you meddle with the entire UNASUR. For once and for all, comply with UN resolutions, sit down to discuss the issue, and get the hell out of there for ever, we won't tolerate that a decaying and anachronously colonialist nation keeps on usurping the territory we are lawfully entitled to. We won't tolerate any overseas bullies anymore, go back home and please take all your kelpers with you so that we can recover our own soil unstained! Fuerza Cristina, Viva la Patria, Malvinas Argentinas por siempre en el corazón de todos los argentinos y latinoamericanos!!May 08th, 2012 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
20: the only vulgar military force was the one that, in 1982, pretended to surrender then shot troops, that locked up the civilians they were supposed to be liberating and whose commanders sent ill trained boys to die in a foreign land. There are no resolutions after 2065 (that Argentina themselves broke so forget about that one) that we need to listen to and everything after that is a call to talk, no demands involved. I'm guessing the first word you learn at school is usurp as you all use it so much, to be used in a sentence such as we usurped the land then killed the patagonian indians living on it.May 08th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@20 Or what? Lol you don't seem to understand that we don't care what you brainwashed idiots think - you have no legal, historical or moral right to the islands and you're also too feeble to try and take them by force. You've been defeated in every way, you're just too stupid to accept it.May 08th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
22: if their claim was that strong they'd take us to court, but it isn't, so they don't. We asked them three times, they refused. Sucks to be them.May 08th, 2012 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@23 Everyone knows there's more chance of Maximo eating a salad than Argentina honouring a legal verdict that goes against them anyway. Why should any civilised country lower itself to contemplate negotiating with such a backward, morally bankrupt craphole?May 08th, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
24: Well, the only thing remaining is that, whether people agree the advert is crap or creatively brilliant the IOC condemns it and it's implications. Argentina can't deny that, and it remains to be seen what the IOC will do about it, but the problem is they'll probably give out as many punishments as Argentina will win gold medals: none.May 08th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I've got to say I read her comments and thought, this woman is beyond crazy.May 08th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Also its a bit rich her saying things can't be censored after, you mean like economic reporting that can lead to people getting sued. Then she goes on to mention non-binding expired UN resolutions. Maybe someone should explain it to her since she obviously doesn't understand, not to mention its not the UK that breached UN resolutions is it?
She's drowning under her own hypocrisy and lies.
I'm reminded of Wayne's World 2 I have a question, when did you turn into a nutbar?May 08th, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
There is nothing really creative about this ad. It is basic, and outside of the catch-line, its pretty dull and full of propoganda! Its really verging on the style of hitler youth ads back in Hitlers day!May 08th, 2012 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Anyway, doesnt really upset me, but i do think it is a sad attempt!
Also (as a few articles concerning the Rg olympic sports persons illustrate) this will not be of help to those about to compete in the olympics - which is sad for those who have spent so much time working hard in training.
The concept alone, is loaded with selfishness on the part of a few die hard malvinists.
Sad and a pity for so many!
The only people who are going to find this Creative and applaude it are those who have been successfully brain washed by generations of lies and false information.May 08th, 2012 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
All it shows is how desperate, DESPERATE KFC is getting. Living in her own little world Cocooned from reality by Le camping and her entourage of Yes men. she really really sad and pathetic and needs to sort out the economy instead of constantly whinning on about the falklands.
She is beginning to sound like a broken record and STILL no one from argentinaland has had the guts or the back bone to say Sorry
20May 08th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Sovereignty over the islands is subject to doubt. Firstly, there is the Argentine claim:
1) the islands are geographically close. Nowhere in the world does geographical proximity grant automatic sovereignty. There are dozens of examples of where island groups are either independent or aligned to a country that is not the closest geographically. Incidentally, Chile is almost equidistant from the FIs.
2) some insane brainwashed and historically inaccurate view of the events of 1833. Argentina seem to believe (and shockingly teach their schoolchildren), that in 1833 when HMS Clio arrived, there was an established Argentine colony (of thousands) and the British violently evicted them. What actually was there were the remnants of the Louis Vernet settlement (20 or so people) who were an independent, private group, who were actively assisted and encouraged to stay (all but 4 did), and a recently set-up, 3 month old illegal, murderous, mutinous penal colony...which was removed without violence (I.e. No civilians).
Britain claimed sovereignty before this date (back to 1690), but the argentine case around 1833 is sadly fantasy.
3) the UN says so. Actually the UN doesn't say so. The UN says it wants peaceful resolution (the Argentines are the only ones to have been aggressors), the UN says it is pro-self determination (the Argentines aren't), the UN says that the worlds non-self governing territories should become self-governing (the Falklands choose their level of governance).
The British case is far simpler. The islands belong to the islanders, the world has moved on since 1492, 1690, 1833. There are no people being governed against their will. The governance of any land should be decided by those that live there. There islanders can trace their ancestry back multiple generations...the islands are theirs.
Argentina can make all the noise she likes, Britain can and will defend the rights of the islanders, Britain did at great cost in 1982...and will again.
Has anyone noticed also that this field hockey player, supposedly training in the advert, doesn't actually do any hockey training?May 08th, 2012 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
... two or three or fourMay 08th, 2012 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
thousand kilograms of bombs, then we will in one night drop 150-, 230-, 300- or
400000 kilograms. ... We will stop the handiwork of those night air pirates, so help
us God!” ...
the president of one of the world newest dictatorships world say that .....May 08th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
They have not changed since 1982 they don't even realize it
Down with dictators.........
32: Yep, the Hitler similarities are undeniable and the fact she thinks she's some warrior for truth makes it all the more laughable.May 08th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
She even has her own Hitler youthMay 08th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
no country can trust them not even Spain who was a strong supporter
im curtain this will bring UK and Spanish governments closer
nothing better then a common enemy to unite people
I wonder if one day she'll pull off her face Scooby-Doo style to reveal it was Mr Hitler all along. I would have got away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky Brit kids!May 08th, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
and there little dogMay 08th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Hmm that's where the analogy breaks down a bit since Timerman would have to be Scrappy Doo - yappy, annoying and kickable.May 08th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Uncreative video is uncreative.May 08th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Just because they're saying it's creative doesn't really mean it is. Provocative it certainly is, but creative... no, it's far from that. To be honest I'd never go to Argentina for creative products of any type, as their culture isn't that way inclined.
I'm surprised she has time to open her poison filled yap at this minor affair, doesn't she have oil companies to sue? Apparently the UK government is distributing boots to Rockhopper et al so they can learn to quake in them like professionals.May 08th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
i am in advertising, and this is not an award winner by any stretch of the imagination. In fact it is not even shot very well! the plus for this ad is due to the sensative nature, and so therefor is nothing more than sensationalism. Anyone can do it with a sensative topic. the creative director should be a little ashamed for a pretty poor story board!May 08th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Anyway, I still wish to reiterate how very sad this is for the sportsmen and women who have trained so hard to be: 1) affected by this kind of propoganda, and 2) for the fat couch potoatoe malvinists on these blogs who denounce the efforts of their own country men by stating that the olympics is not a worthy sporting forum (these statments have been made in forums on other articles).
For an olympic athlete, this will be one of the most important moments in their lives, and for some the only opportunity to compete at such a level.
@14 JohnN (#) May 08th, 2012 - 03:52 amMay 08th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
They will need investment first so good luck to them with that.
Argentina is engineering a war. I don't know when it will happen but you can taste the hatred and the animosity. The parallels with Nazi Germany in the 30s are striking.
Personally I don't care what Malvinistas say they are all lazy, out of work idle retarded feckless animals anyway. All I want is assurance that the UK government, whoever they are will stand up to Argentina, fight hard for our territory if attacked and hand their lazy feckless arses back to them. Again.
And to carry on doing it too for as long as it takes because as sure as eggs is eggs these c*nts won't go away until they are all dead.
What twaddle she speaks. Ah, so we applaud the creativity with statements like 'great lighting, stunning photography, rousing sound track, fabulous credits' and ignore the underlying message which is primarily 'we want the Falklands and we'll use gutter politics and cross the line because we are Argentine and it is our sovereign right!'May 08th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The IOC have sent out 1 warning and I wonder how many more are needed to quell this belligerent child?
@41 Brit AbroadMay 08th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It could be one of those all-time classic adverts that costs the creators more than the fees that it has brought in. I'm not sure who does the regularly updated recruitment commercials for the Royal Navy, Army and RAF, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a subsidiary of WPP.
Note the use of the past tense in the above sentence.
@42Furry-Fat-Feck,May 08th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Yes you are right.
There is another war coming. l can sense it.
We MUST be prepared.
Lets not underestimate their hatred.
And lets not get complacent.
@42 The British government has already said it will uphold the Falkland Islander's right to self-determination by whatever means necessary. However irritating it can be to listen to the Argentine governments attempts at garnering support, they have achieved absolutely nothing. Zero. And, more importantly, they seem intent on upsetting everyone. Our government does not have to do anything but swat away the bumbling attempts at working the diplomatic system by Argentina. They are hopeless amateurs at playing the game.May 08th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
If push comes to shove Britain would do whatever is necessary but Argentina's economy is going to collapse before it ever comes to that. The Argentine government has a lot less support than Maximo's Twitter army of false/multiple ID's would have you believe.
I may or may not work in advertising, but the fact is, this 'government propaganda' is simply designed to cause a reaction. It's not just for internal consumption, because the nature of it was enough to get it to spread outside of Argtardia. They're simply trolling, and the best thing to do with trolls is not to feed them.May 08th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The peoples of the UK, should take the emotion out of their attitudes towards Argtard anti-falklands propaganda, and just remember that logically, ethically and morally they have the high ground. Then the Argtards are again, without any weapons and completely emasculated.
That 'creative' director should just be called a director, as I cannot see anything creative.
And still..................the Union Jack flies high and proud over these our beautiful and resource rich Falkland Islands and other South Atlantic territories.................And there ain't a thing old Turkey Neck can do about it, except moan and bitch and moan some more.May 08th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
i think this child is in need of discipline. they cant go around telling there children that the Falklands are there's when there clearly and plainly not. how disappointed must each and every child in Argentine child feel when they eventually realize that the Falklands are not theirs and will never be theirs. i would be throwing my toys out the pram too.May 08th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina should focus on there own problems and not direct attention towards some British sovereign islands who have little trust in there closest neighbor.
but we all know they are just distracting there own people trying to Fight colonialism with colonialism, British or a would be Argentine colony ...
in my opinion colonialism is not necessarily a bad thing. look at FI And Gib. both relativity small dependency that are fiercely British they enjoy the idea of being part of something greater then both Argentina and Spain ever have or will be. not even Argentina can break this idea
the only trouble with colonialism is when you try to end it. when former colony's try to mimic there parent nations. that's when things start going wrong.but all children need to learn to grow up. Argentina is the same
I assume British tourists filmed mooning at the malvinas memorial monument can be put down to artistic creativity in future and applauded by the CFK regime?May 08th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Sensible folks will just sit quiet and ignore the demented fantasist as she continues to dig her own latrine deeper and deeper - to eventually suffocate in her own ****.May 08th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I believe this may in some way explain Ms K's behaviourMay 08th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I believe it is a magic potion called “Botox” which can make one appear facially youthful but an examination of the neck region reveals the normal ageing process - it doesn't work in this area.
Also, this substance can cause cognitive problems leading to irrational thoughts and behaviour---these symptons are manifest in this case.
Delusions of adequacy, feelings of persecution, a need for constant reassurance and a fear of being ignored by the grown-ups.
Another more distinct possibility is that , like Morgana the Fey, she uses the black arts to blind her followers to her true nature. By supernatural powers she convinces her acolytes that she is one step from a deity and can solve all the world's problems if she is given her own way.
She is constantly amazed why the rest of the civilized world has failed to realise this.
Here is another recent example of Argentine creativity - I'm surprised they even got any punishmentMay 08th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
An Argentine soccer club lost points after a penalty was leveled due to anti-Semitic chants made by its fans.
The Argentine Football Association Disciplinary Court meted out the penalty to the Chacarita Juniors soccer club after anti-Semitic chants were made by Chacarita´s fans during a March game against Atlanta, a Jewish-backed soccer club.
“Chaca is coming along the road, killing the Jews to make soap” Chacarita´s fans repeatedly sang during an official match at the Premier B League, on March 11.
The match ended in a 1-1 draw. The day after the incident the Simon Wiesenthal Center sent a letter of complaint to Argentine Football Association President Julio Grondona and the head of its Disciplinary Court, Fernando Mitjans.
In February, 2000 Chacarita fans greeted the Atlanta team with Nazi flags, and threw soap on the field while singing “with the Jews we make soap.” The poor behavior then led to the national football association establishing rules requiring the referee to end or suspend a match due to racist expressions.
#53May 08th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
This was discussed in another form where ant-semitism already raised its ugly head. The Peronists love to tell everyone how Peron embraced the Jews escaping from government and appointed several to his government, but underneath there is a dark thuggish attitude of blaming whatever goes wrong on the British, the Spaniard, the WTO the IMF and finally... the Elders of Zion. Very sad.
jajajajaMay 08th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
#52 ClydeMay 08th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Is Timmerman her little toad? And Castro, the Wicked Witch of tea trolleys?
@45 Isolde. Did you know that the few Argentine fighters that are still airworthy regularly fly to the edge of the exclusion zone to probe Falklands defences and (try to) force British planes to take off? Sooner or later, one of these ageing Mirages will have instrument failure and get shot down.May 08th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
57 rule_britanniaMay 08th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I would pay good money for the gun-camera tape if that ever happened.
57: The Russians do exactly the same with our North Sea coast, what is it with tinpot countries and their border probing? I, too, would laugh my b=llocks off if a Mirage was shot down.May 08th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Creativity, nobody is better in the art of creativity than the Argentine Government i also like to call it fabrication.May 08th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Is poor Christina feeling intimidated by a single British destroyer? She must be rather timid if that is giving her sleepless nights.May 08th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
61: nope, her sleepless nights are caused by the ghost of Marley Kirchner telling her she'll be visited by ghosts of Argentina past, Argentina present, and Argentina yet to come. I can't think which of those three I'd be more frightened of, although her mug without make up's probably enough to shoo off any spook.May 08th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@59May 08th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Tin pot countries probe borders. Which is why the UK has a sub right on the borders of Argentine territorial waters right?
I mention this not because I care about it, but because either here or another section people where commenting how the UK woudn't care if other countries had ships or planes in international airspace (in order to make Argentina's complaints about other countries ships in international waters near Argentina look illogical).
Well, I guess that was proven a lie, and the UK seems to care a lot if other countries fly around near their space. Seems rather insecure to me since that is completely within international law.
As for the athletes, if they miss the Olympics, they miss the olympics. Country comes first before personal pride.
Eva Peron will be the ghost of the past.May 08th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Nestor will be the ghost of the present.
An arrest warrant for corruption will be the ghost of the future.
ok let's not all get carried away by a cheeky little ad that one must admit was quite original, the reaction was exactly what CFK was hoping for as the old adage says bad publicity is better than no publicity As a previous blogger mentioned the Brits don't really need to do anything just sit tight & let the current nationalism die down a little.May 08th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The worst thing that can happen to CFK is to be ignored & in the end the frustration at not being taken seriously will inevitably lead to some major tantrums on her part. The numerous problems in the country will come to a head by the end of the year, inflation, import controls, money restrictions & this ultra nationalism which becomes dangerous when it reaches this infantile level, and when it does the Malvinas/Falklands issue will no longer be in the spotlight
Interesting times ahead, nos veremos !
the UK has a sub right on the borders of Argentine territorial waters May 08th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
.....so you're finally admitting that Falklands waters aren't Argentine waters then?
Sadly for Argentina a British sub could glide up the estuary to the River Plate and the Argentine navy wouldn't have a clue it was there - so I'm not sure how you can confidently state where it is?
63: probe means to go in and out of to test, not just to go near them. There is no proof of our subs going anywhere near your waters apart from what timmerman and the daily mail claimed.May 08th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@65May 08th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I'm not talking about Falkland waters, I'm talking about a sub being a few kilometers off the coast of Mar del Plata for example, which is entirely possible.
My point was that if Russia and Argentina are tin-pots for having things fly or float around the edges of other territories, so that standard applies for the UK.
And I really don't give a sh!t about your constant obsession with gloating over British navy asset capability, it is so childish as to be laughable.
Surely anyone with a brain knows it has happened. I don't really care frankly, but it's happened. Heck, didn't British troops mistakenly invade Spain some time ago? So obviously it occurs. Those troops were lucky not to land on Argentine soil they would have been taken prisoner on the spot.
39 GreekYoghurt (#) May 08th, 2012 - 07:48 am: Thanks - On reflection, I do think your description is better - the ad isn't creative but rather provocative - in spite of protestation from Arg Amb Castro that it isn't provocative. Its Argies who interpret the advert as being creative mostly because of the unexpected final tag line and the external provocation that the tag line prompts. Since the advert was dedicated to Arg dead soldiers, one wonders why he wasn't videoed running through the Argentine cemetery at Darwin?May 08th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
well done Cristina !May 08th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
....the English.....! .....not British....!
And I really don't give a sh!t about your constant obsession with gloating over British navy asset capability, it is so childish as to be laughable. May 08th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You're the one bleating on about a British sub bordering your territory. I was merely pointing out that your country is too unsophisticated to know one way or the other. Maybe she should surface and wave her bow around a bit to make sure you spot her?
For the information of misguided Argentinians, I live in the Falklands of my own free will and participate in the election of our democratic government. We have a Governor who is very pleasant and popular chap - he represents the Queen and plays an important part in our social and cultural life. I don't see why this should be so difficult for you to understand and in any case it's none of your business.May 08th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Secondly if you, as you claim, have been desperate to have the Falklands since 1833 why didn't you all just come and live here when you had the chance? The Falklands was wide open for immigration for 200 years as was South America. If enough of you had come over and dominated the British society you wouldn't have anything to complain about now. But you and only you chose not to.
To suggest it is no big deal for your athletes to miss the Olympics is outrageous. The Olympics is the pinnacle of personal achievement for many athletes and integral to the structure of sporting achievement starting at local clubs right through to national teams. It gives young people a sense of self worth and achievement and you are wrong to shake that belief by sullying sports with your sordid politics. You really are the lowest of the low when you would subject your own Olympic team to fear of being booed. Personally I hope they are not booed or heckled but you have added a layer of stress that they don't need.
72 honoriaMay 08th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
How are you able to post on here when you are clearly shackled by the imperialist British yoke? Do you have to pledage allegiance to the Queen and sign the Official Secrets Act before they let you near a computer?
69May 08th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Perhaps they could do some diving or synchronised swimming over the wreck of the Belgrano. We might view that as being distasteful but Argentinian culture might find that perfectly acceptable. Whatever turns them on really.
Olympic athletes represent their country. That is country first.May 08th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
KFC is a troll, and let's be sure about one thing...May 08th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
1) trollers gonna troll.
Cristina has to focus on creative publicity attacks, because physically her defense forces are a joke. Her frigates can't leave port because their Rolls Royce turbans are in poor condition, her army has tanks that don't work (Hint: they were designed and built domestically.), their once proud air force is outdated and in poor condition and ....Oh yes, according to a very critical Blohm + Voss Shipyards evaluation in March 2012, their submarines cannot safely submerge.May 08th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
She has no navy, air force or army capable of threatening the Falkland Islands.
@72May 08th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
This is what you thickheads CANNOT comprehend. Just because you value the Olympics does not mean WE have to. Get it? Or does the concept of self-determination escape you? You are the lowest of the low for supporting a corrupt, bribe-ridden, cheating allowing organization like the IOC. Shame on you honoria and all your countrymen. We don't care about the Olympics, how do you like that?? And we are more correct than you about this.
Ok, whatever. We are unsophisticated just because our navy tech is not impressive. You can't produce medical nuclear isotopes as Argentina does to provide medical treatement including to your country probably, but you have stealthy subs. Good for you.
Nope. Athletes do not represent their country, they represent themselves. Only TEAM sports represent their country.
@78 If Argentina doesn't come to the Olympics who are we going to laugh at and slow-hand clap when they fail?May 08th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It would be sad to have them not attend with their silly flag, rule changing and their silly ways. I hope I see some of them doing a Las Malvinas dance, or maybe I'll ask them to do a 'las malvinas' dance so I can video it and show my friends.
78: so you acknowledge the falkland islands are a country, hooray, a step forwards!May 08th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Everyday there is another piece of nationalist news coming from the government, almost without fail. Any, government (and I mean any government) which resorts to continually banging the nationalist drum is doing so for a reason. The reason is that it is usually trying to deflect attention away from some policy or other or a stream of news over a period of time which counters government gospel. The main beauty of it is that opposition parties can't really bring you up on it as they instantly get tarred with the unpatriotic brush. In short my opinion would be if they want to come, let them come. But, any of this nonsense at the Games and they'll be sent home by the IOC and hundreds of athletes would have wasted 4 years on the whim of a government manipulating them just to get a cheap shot in.May 08th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I personally refuse to be trolled by people like KFC, Orange-head and Timmerwoman. Mainly because I'm better than that. The British are God's chosen people and so I'm just going to look down my nose at her, and turn what she perceives to be WIN into massive levels of FAIL.May 08th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I'm doing that right now.
68: so i said probe and you still understood near, then you say it's possible there's a sub i.e. You have no proof, jeez, just give up.May 08th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#78May 08th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You are joking are you not as many of the rel developments come from the UK .
Frankly apart from your recent entry into cosmetic surgery I cannot remember a recent one but you have won 2 (5 in total including 2 Peace Prizes)
Cesar Milistein and Bernardo Houssay
The most recent of those was 1984
By contrast the UK has won 116
Go away little ignorant man!
@TobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I don't give a monkeys about the olympics and I agree that the IOC is probably not the most honest organization in the world. But CFKs -government- La Campora? Argentine Politics? If ever there were self interested groups it is these.
-You can't produce medical nuclear isotopes as Argentina does to provide medical treatement including to your country probably, but you have stealthy subs. Good for you-
I dont know if this is true or not and I dont know the significance of it but Argentina has a real problem sourcing legitimate medicines with a huge thriving black market.
@79May 08th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well I don't know. In the rest of the world we can get our laughs every year at the poor english failing again and again in football, tennis, basketball, rugby, and probably cricket too (though I don't watch this one). But from what the aussies say about poms, they seem to get their laughs too.
The silly british flag is just a bunch of crosses jammed together in too small of a space. It's so loud that you can only look at it for a minute or two before your eyes start getting scrambled from all the color contrast. Is Britain particulary affected by color blindness?
Well I have always have, and I try to convice more argies to forget about the Falklands and allow those people to choose what they want or don't. Its hard when as we see here, you do not afford argies the same rights (we have to like the Olympics for example, or else).
No one cares about the athletes and their 4 years. Sorry, I know it sounds harsh and I don't root for them to be dissapointed, but country comes first. Many people work hard at something and fail or are denied opportunities. It happens every solitary day in this world..
You can't produce medical nuclear isotopes May 08th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If you are worried about the UK being behind Argentina in the development of medical nuclear isotopes I suggest you address those concerns to the British Nuclear Medicine Society. I'm sure they'll set you straight.
You should stick to what you're good at - go and grow us some soy beans.
@86May 08th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The Union Flag could change soon when the Scots have a referendum.
If the Scots choose to be independent England initially wont like it but of course it will respect it and both countries will seek to continue working and interacting together.
If Patagonia voted to be independent I wonder what CFK's government would do....
#87May 08th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
He did say probably in relation to the isotopes. In other words, he just spouts unsupported rubbish, never mind the facts. So very Argentinian.
Comment removed by the editor.May 08th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I produce medical isotopes all the time. 0.2% of my last wee-wee was 17-Oxygen based water.May 08th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It might be the same for my next one too.
@86May 08th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And if they do get thrown out what will the government response be if there is a sense of outcry in Argentina. Will the Government say look guys, it was only four years, the Malvinas are more important so just get over it, it's only sport FFS OR will the governments response be to blame everyone else, and bang the nationalist drum saying that there is a conspiracy against them and playing the victim card. If it is the first then fair enough. If it is the second then I rest my case.
@86 So you will be keen for Argentina to boycott the World Cup? Because that is the most corrupt organisation in the sporting world.May 08th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I know many Argentines that enjoy the Olympics. Just sayin'.
@87 and 89May 08th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I will find the sources that confirm this shortly. I won't expect an apology as it is not in your nature naturally as dishonorable men.
Patagonia was never a distinct culture or nation. Thus, your example of Scotland does not apply in the slightest. There is no precedent of Patagonia being a nation, Scotland is recognized as such even under the current, confusing UK structure.
Comment removed by the editor.May 08th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
you Argentines just dont get this. the British government will not be sitting down to discuss this matter with you and you will not be getting the Falklands Ialands. If you want the islands you will have to take them off us. Quite simply we could not care less who supports you on this matter, it will make no difference. you have no legal claim to the islands and you should forget it and move on before you do something stupid yet again.May 08th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Elaine,May 08th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The poor Argentinean national team got its rear kicked at the Copa America and the World Cup. Even little Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay have better teams...
They'd better be banned from attending as I don't think their egos could withstand being beat again, especially England.
94May 08th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Patagonia was never a distinct culture or nation
Well, it sort of was wasn't it before the conquest of the desert...it is even named after the tribes who used to live there
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/wrha-seeks-medical-isotopes-from-argentina-as-backup-83998172.htmlMay 08th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Currently, all of the world's nine major isotope-producing reactors are running – one each in Canada, South Africa, Australia and Argentina and five in Europe. However, the HLG-MR report cautions that shortages could be expected as demand continues to grow, some reactors are shut down and constraints remain on regional processing capacity.
UK... zilch. This is what happens when arrogance takes over common sense, in that you can't be better than another at everything. It is so sad that even when the UK has some great advantages over Argentina, most can't admit when they don't have such advantage. True gentlemen, specially in a position of strength, acknowledge others' strengths. Those that cannot are trully pitiful individuals.
But that is what I am saying, CFK is playing with fire (from your point of view), because most in Argentina won't even know we are boycotting or got banned, since most were not going to watch anyway. The olympics are not important here, only individual world cups and Davis Cups or other things like that are.
Patagonia was never a distinct culture or nation. Thus, your example of Scotland does not apply in the slightest. There is no precedent of Patagonia being a nationMay 08th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
For an Argentine you seem remarkably ignorant of your history. (I assume because the republic just makes up it's school textbooks)
....do you know why Patagonia is called...um...err...Patagonia?
@99May 08th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
This is what happens when arrogance takes over common sense.
you stupid fucking wanker. You have shit for brains and obviously do not live in the real world. you are the most arrogant pig headed, disrespectful, no mark nation on the face of Planet Earth.
@98 As far as I was aware it was about three countries full of tribesmen before they all got killed. Mapuches and Pampas folk if all the previous discussions were correct. They had an armed struggle for independence that went on for quite some time.May 08th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I wonder if they'll ever get their countries back? Seems like it's a colonial enclave in XXIII or whatever the faggotry-du-jour is from Argsoc.
@99May 08th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Fair enough. I suppose that I'll just have to bow to your better judgement that it wouldn't be noticed in Argentina if they were banned. I'll also go and tell my mates that they won't be watching it as they aren't interested.
@97May 08th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Two questions: How many years did it take Chile to defeat Argentina in a qualifying round of a world cup or a world cup?
Hint: over 100 years... I just want the specific number. And you dare judge our current situation?? You have some chuztpah.
@98 and 100
Patagonia was never recognized as a culture, nation, or state.
I invite you to demonstrate with a source that Patagonia as it is known today was ever a nation, or a separate culture.
Call me ignorant, call argie textbooks whatever you want all day... the only fools here are everyone except me.
@104May 08th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
..the only fools here are everyone except me.
We should report Argentina to the UN, Mercosur, Unasur, FIFA - hell even to the Train Spotters Society. They are clearly exporting dangerous radioactive nuclear material and threatening the safety of the rest of the world. They must be stopped.May 08th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As you know Patagonia had a large indigenous population that absolutely did not want to be part of the State of Argentina. Thousands upon thousands of indigenous people were systematically slaughtered and subjugated by the state of Argentina. -Give us your land follow our rules and culture if you dont we will anihalate you.- Thats colonialism in a nutshell.May 08th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If the indigenous today want independence from the Argentinian State then they should have that right to do so. After all the land was violently taken from their ancestors and incorporated into the Republic of Argentina decades after the English regained the FI.
@107May 08th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I will only respond if you make it clear that your suggestion of the Indian question applies to all nations from Canada to Chile.
@107 Any discussion of the continuous attempts by the Patagons to have independence from the colonialisation and genocide of the Argentinians is part of a unique colonial situation and a XXIIMCX Century anachronism that Latin America wants to play no part in, and the UN resolutions say, do you want to give peace a chance? Do you?May 08th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
*nods orange wigged head*
104May 08th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
amazing. So you're going for the no flag no country rule. Fine, India was not recognised as a state or nation or culture before the British got there.
@110 India is a part of a unique colonial situation in the XXIICCV century where clearly the people don't have self-determination because like South Georgia the Argentinians didn't own them before, and in order to remove colonial enclaves, Arentina wants to negotiate india, and give peace a chance? Do you want to sit down and negotiate india and give peace a chance?May 08th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
TobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Or as my spell check has it to bias
You haven't answered my question on your lack of Nobel prize winners
With regard to medical isotopes why should we bother when 95% of the world's production is done by our allies?
Even the USA does not produce its own supply.
It is called economics something which you are sadly missing a leader of in your own poor benighted country
@110May 08th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well, but they eventually fought your presence. No such thing has happened nor will happen in Argentina, as the inhabitants there, immigrant and native, are quite pleased with the results. Their living standards are closer to Europe than to the poor north of Argentina.
They want to remain argentine, and they will remain.
Sorry, no such thing as the Patagons... That was simply a name given by the Spanish to describe the local indians of the area (which could have been Tehuelches or other), because of their lanky, tall build, with big feet.
Maybe that's why argie women have big feet. Native big feet plus European big feet = bigger feet. So much for the extermination theory.
Two birds with one stone.
#104 Tobias:May 08th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
When did Argentina ever defeat Chile in the World Cup?
Are you talking about your women's team or something?
We have NEVER been defeated by Argentina... NEVER.
...“Las Islas Malvinas son argentinas”...
OOPS! That's YOUR hopeless delusion. Mine is that you've never beat us in football... I guess Tobias we're ALL delusional about some things.
@TobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
On August 30, 2011 Buenos Aires and the Argentine Olympic Committee announced that they will bid for the 2018 Summer Youth Olympic Games
113May 08th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
No such thing has happened nor will happen in Argentina, as the inhabitants there, immigrant and native, are quite pleased with the results.
Obviously apart from the large majority who were wiped out in a mass genocide...
Well, we all seem to be worked up over the usual nonsense the The Mad Bitch was bound to spout over the 'english'.May 08th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
She cannot even get the name of the country right.
Let's face it, she, the Fatboy and all the numbnuts who 'run' this lamentable place HATE us. Why? Becuse we don't give a damn about their claims to the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) and there is NOTHING the stupid twats can do about it.
That is all it comes down to.
Free Tehuelcheland. It's clearly a colonial situation in the MXXIXCV century, and having Argentina maintain colonial situations and militarising Tehuelcheland is an affront to anyone's mind. They are militarising it with tanks and planes and aerials. The UN says that colonisation is super-bad and the decolonisation committee is going to discuss Tehuelcheland so that we can end this colonial situation in century MCXXBDSM. It's clearly close to Chile, and on the same tectonic plate as Chile.May 08th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
All I have to ask is are you ready to give piece-of-pie a chance? well are you?
113May 08th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
They want to remain argentine, and they will remain... ahh, self-determination. Music to my ears...
113 tobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Love it - we've finally found an ethnic group that is thankful for it's own genocide.
Well argued Mr T.
PS Falklanders are quite pleased with the results too. Won't be long before they're all living like Kuwaitis - though with less thobes and sunglasses.
It would appear you are stuck with outdated isotope production as well as your glorious (sic) armed forcesMay 08th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
”Tokamak Solutions has received more than $323,000 in contracts and investments toward the development of a super compact tokamak, a fusion neutron source, in part for the production of medical isotopes for the diagnosis and treatment of cancers.
Substantial fusion energy research is underway around the world, though typically in relatively large facilities. Founded in 2009 and based in Culham, England, Tokamak aims at generating a similarly powerful source of fusion energy but under a more compact design, the company said. Expected applications of the technology could include medical isotope production, nuclear waste cleanup and a potentially long-term zero carbon method for large scale hydrogen production.
Investors from the Rainbow Seed Fund, Oxford Instruments, Oxford Early Investments network and Sir Martin and Lady Audrey Wood have contributed 170,000 GBP ($273,122 USD), on top of a recent contract with the international fusion energy ITER Organiza”
Oh dear oh dear how it is to live it such an unsophisticated backwater LOL!
@112May 08th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Oh yes, I knew I had forgotten something.
The UK nobel prizes 50% not even English. It was scientists educated in other countries, by schoos and taxpayers from other countries, that then worked in some project with some UK university (which are quite good instituations), and then won a nobel prize under the UK.
Same happens with the US. If you check their science nobels in the last decades it is all indian, asian, or non-american sounding names.
I think I adressed the issue of mass genocide in 116. Ask Chichureo, he knows argie women have bigger feet than he does, so it must mean the Patagons survived somehow. Girls in Argentina wear BIG shoes! Proof.
I don't quite get your statement, but you didn't answer. You said Argentina's team sucks. OK. I agree. But I think a little more time should pass (maybe like half a century), before others start laughing at Argentina's current football state.
Women's football does not exist in Argentina. Women's sports in Argentina are field hockey, cestobol, and tennis.
Argentina The Outcast:May 08th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Written by a former member of the Brazilian government and reproduced in Korea of all places.
I've just got a message from Tehuelcheland Express saying that they're royally sick of Argentinian colonisation in the MCMCM Century, and Tobias, are you ready to give peace a chance? Are you ready to negotiate an end to Tehuelcheland colonisation?May 08th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
WELLL....AARE YOUUUU??!?!?!?!! I'M F*CKING GINGER!!
@121May 08th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I didn't say the UK was an unsophisticated backwater. Your friend DJ56 said it, about us. Stop playing the victim I was just responding with facts. Live with it.
Better to be outcast than have friends like you, right?
It's nice to have the freedom to invent nations and state, since one never existed there right?
One can't invent nations or states in Scotland, because let's face, one is already there and annexed by force in 1600 or whenever it was.
Oi - don't diss the gingers.May 08th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@108May 08th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
My question was hypothetical. It was more about highlighting hypocrisy and attitude. What -would- she do?
Perhaps the indigenous rights to a fully independent nation are not valid in this day and age. There comes a point where we have to accept the past is the past. The bigger guy defeats the smaller guy. It isnt pretty but it just -is-. So maybe giving Patagonia back to the indigenous is not realistic. Like I say it was a hypothesis.
However if we are talking about Patagonians in general (not just the indigenous) voting to have full independence from Argentina then why not? If everyone in Cornwall voted to be independent of the UK then why not?
Just this morning, the head of the Argentine Olympic Committee stated that he supports the International Olympic Committee. This should get interesting.May 08th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
TobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Oh dear you really need to look at who won Nobel prizes as very few of the UK weren't born there or weren't educated there.
With regard to Scotland, it was a separate country until England bailed it out after the Darien adventure which eventually resulted in the Act of Union
@3 I think you made some mistakes in your comment. Can I just point to woman, living. And planet is a possibility. Would you like to re-post with amendments?May 08th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@4 Like anyone would notice if argieland were against the Games. It could be replaced by the Falkland Islands.
@7 Are you trying to tell us that argieland has people in it? Don't believe it. Argieland only has poofs, slags and animals.
@8 See immediately above in response to @7. You are in the third, or possibly first, category.
@9 Funny little vermin. Argieland has to STOP stealing things, like YPF, or trying to steal things, like the Falklands and parts of Chile and Uruguay. It IS actually disgusting how they see themselves as the natural inheritors of the Nazi regime and have no shame. Of course the people OF the Islands do not choose independence at present. They are well aware of the inimical nature of a nearby mendacious, thieving shit-heap. Argentina is claiming and claiming in a peaceful, democratic and diplomatic way. Like establishing an economic blockade, attempting to cut air and sea links, threatening businesses and, best of all, lying to the international community.
@10 Then it's a pity that people all over the world are condemning the ad, isn't it?
@13 Of course you can. All dagos are naturally greasy and oily. Just seeps out of them.
@16 Keep it up. You're going to wiiiiin yourself a glass crater!
@17 A recent, i.e. today, article in a British newspaper received comments amounting to 99% condemnation of argturdland. Many recommended nuking argturdland. Comments suggesting nuking received much support. Might be an idea to dig yourself a hole a couple of miles deep. And pull it in after you!
@20 Lovely. We are exceptionally good at cardiac surgery. Just watch how we can cut your stinking hearts out and cook them on our barbecues. As for the rest? Take a deep, deep breath. It may be your last.
@63 Source? Several groups know where British subs are. You aren't one!
Hypothetically speaking, all redresses of lands should be retro-active, which would mean that the oldest claims go first.May 08th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Therefore, the UK, particularly England, should be returning the entirety of the UK to the Celts, they were the first recognized group in England before Angles and Saxons which came from mainland Europe.
I'd suggest to the English public to start packing and making friends with the Irish, Welsh and Scots as they are moving in as the most direct descendants of the true original inhabitants of the British isles. (there's the question of the ancient Iberians in Britain, but that is irrelevant since none exist today to claim anythign).
Then the Gauls in France, the Etruscans in Italy, the Iberians in Spain, the Celts in Germany (as they were there before the germanics).
So before the Patagonian question is reached, you in Europe have a lot to sort out.
122 tobias (#)May 08th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
May 08th, 2012 - 03:34 pm
Wrong tobias, my ex-secretary plays womens rugby, and is very good at it.
Our town's womens football teams are winners and runners up in the local provincial women's football league.
You are out of date, amigo, the 21st century has arrived!!!
#122May 08th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Same happens with the US. If you check their science nobels in the last decades it is all indian, asian, or non-american sounding names.
What's an American sounding name? Barak Obama, Jeremy Lin... It's a nation of immigrants like Argentina AND the UK.
@108May 08th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Ok, I agree with you in one sense - it just wouldnt work to hand back countries in their entireties to the indigenous populations- but I still think the inhabitants of a land (indigenous or not) have the right to determine how they are governed.
Actually thats a very simple concept to go with that would save an awful lot of bother for everyone...
To bias you do not give facts you only quote half truths at bestMay 08th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
With regard to our subs it may surprise you to know they are pretty well undetectable as they do not have screws (propellers to the layman) but have have had water jet propulsion for some time. The screws are apparently used as decoys
The Astute class has the sonar signal of a dolphin so pity any Argentinian attempt to ship their military if the Brits have to protect the Falklands
@132May 08th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Women's football is non-existent in Argentina, and associated with lesbians.
tobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
you always complain that we have our facts wrong and provide no links.
Well here is one for you !
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@135May 08th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@ 135 JAJAJAJAJA jajajajajajaja, that's good I kept dreaming. We have to send plagues and spy all the time with insects. ?????????????
136 tobias (#)May 08th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
May 08th, 2012 - 04:25 pm
You would find about 37 furious ladies if you came here. I wouldn't swear to it but I don't think any of them are lesbians.
@139May 08th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I'm afraid the google translator does not work with Argentine Spanish.
Argentine spanish has a completely different verb paradigm, meaning that what is the 1st person past tense seguí in the the rest of the spanish speaking world (I kept), in Argentina it is the 2nd person imperative form: seguí! ”(you) keep!”
That is why it makes no sense to you. The spanish verb patterns taught in schools work in any nation except Argentina.
When many of you ask how can argies tell who is argie or not, there many things that are different between Argentina and the rest of the spanish speaking world in language, culture, expressions and more. Subtle things beyond any foreigners understanding.
tobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
so can you translate Piny's post for us ?
Argentina The Outcast:May 08th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Written by a former member of the Brazilian government and reproduced in Korea of all places.
Tobias, You guys speak Spanish in Argentina? Wow! I thought it was your own language based on Hungarian or something...May 08th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Here we say we speak something like Castellano, but its laughable to a Spaniard. Both of our countries really butcher the language terribly.
131 - Snap Germanic tribes invaded England over a thousand years ago, and thousands of German SS Murders where offered sanctuary and safe haven i Argentina after the 1945. We are brothers!! in thought their was something about the Reichmistress and the kircher youth i liked.May 08th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@144May 08th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There is no such thing as a butchered language. Chilean spanish is just as correct as peninsular. Spanish, French, Italian are butchered versions of Latin. English and German butchered versiosn of proto-Germanic, etc.
Nah, too much Jewish blood in Argentina, unlike in Europe where they were persecuted for 1000 years including the UK.
hahahha... that was good. Keep dreaming buddy! We have plagues to send your way and we can spy you with insects.
So the true translation is just as stupid as the google translation.May 08th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
By the way how is the Argentinian women's football team.
Ladyeees with big feetMay 08th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@143 Not just a former member of the Brazilian government, but a former minister for foreign relations. No sitting on the fence there...yet somehow still worded more diplomatically than Timerman's 3 page rant.May 08th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Has anybody else seen the Argentine NOC's response to the IOC? In summary nothing to do with us. Quote:
The Argentine NOC has made clear that using the Olympic Games to make political gestures of any kind is not acceptable and we will conduct ourselves in the proper spirit of Olympism in all that we do in London and elsewhere,
By the hate and vindictiveness coming out of Argentina I know we're heading towards a war. I just want to say to the normal people in Argentina learn the real history not the lies your government tell you. Just because they're not wearing a uniform this time doesn't make them good, like all governments they have their own self interests at heart, not yours.May 08th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@150May 08th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There are sources who state the war won't be with the UK. So nothing for you to concern with. If Argentina attacks another country the UK shouldn't have anything to be involved with.
Malvinazi Argentina should be booted out of the Olympic Games.May 08th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@152May 08th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Agreed, Argentina and the Olympic Games should be separated. It will raise the IQ average of both.
@68 What a funny little boy. You should be concerned about where British subs are. Regarding your comments regarding British troops landing in argturdland and being taken prisoner? You have to be joking. An encounter between argie and British soldiers could only have one result. Lots and lots of argie corpses. Tip for the future: Don't bother with white flags. Strip naked and back towards us with your asses in the air and your hands behind your heads. Make one wrong move and experience a round passing up your back passage or chopping your tackle off. Before the shot that drills through your (reported) brain! I want to travel to the Falklands and kill argies!May 08th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@78 How poor are you? You're not unsophisticated. You're stupid. Ignorant. Uneducated. Uncivilised. You're also DEAD. It's just that you haven't fallen over yet. But you will!
@86 Child! You have a problem with crosses? Why don't you have a problem with an ability to paint stripes and only use two colours. Always best to see the argie flag as two strips of water bordering a white flag of surrender. Best response to argie flag Shoot to kill. Best response to an apparent argie surrender flag Shoot to kill. Argie surrender? No way. Just kill them.
@94 Sorry! Scotland is a subjugated province of slaves. Did you not know that?
@104 But you are a mendacious, genocidal, murdering, thieving, dictatorial tyranny, aren't you?
@113 Aaaah, so it's OK for Italian, Spanish etc, imperialist colonists who killed millions of indigenes to want to be argies and remain so. but it's not OK for British settlers who killed no-one to want to be British and remain so. Just let us know how you work that one out! Imperialist, colonialist, racist pig.
@122 Worth bearing in mind that, in 100 years' time, there will be no argie national team. Because there will be no argieland. It will be an historical oddity. A proof that Latin stupidity leads to destruction. What should the glass crater be called?
government propaganda cant be censored more like. But the IOC can ban the RG's laugh i would yoda.May 08th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
..maybe it's time for another 200 nautical mile Total Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands....I think this would be a very creative thing to do and, as KFC rightly says “Creativity can’t be censored, it must be applauded and acknowledged” ;)May 08th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The British forces would have been taken prisoner and treated very well in Argentina, like seriously given homes and ranges in Patagonia. They just would not be able to leave. That would be my strategy. They would be well fed, well treated, in fact living in comfortable estancias. Just no freedom until the war is over.May 08th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As such an act of landing on foreign soil with weapons in an offensive maneuver is automatially a declaration of war in any code of international law, they would be POWs. Argentina would simply ask Britain end the war they started by surrendering , and the POWs would be immediately released.
Since we know the UK won't accept those terms (if they had any brains they would since they would have been the agressors and surrendering is a small price to pay to release POWs), they may plan on more extreme action. The world would turn against the UK as it was them that invaded argie territory and Argentina simply arrested the soldiers as any two countries at war have the right of doing.
Being treated much better than what the GENEVA convention states, the demand of Argentina that the UK formally surrender will be seen as a bit odd but a small price to pay. Again, UK will say no and will do something more extreme and escalate things, and at that point lose support of proabably even the US, who will tell the UK to just swallow some pride, admit it made a mistake, and just end the technical state of war by formally surrendering.
We have said it once and will say it again,May 08th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Until someone stops this lunatic, then peace will just be another by word
Similar to 1914-1939-1982
When will we ever learn?
Tin man says to mr Hammond, what are you going to do, if we refuse,
We say [WHAT are you going to do]
Because the more the ignore this problem, the more you stick your fxxking head the sand, , the worse its going to get, why wont these stupid incompetent politicians fxcking listen,
CFK will do what she wants-when she wants , and to whom she wants, and until someone stops her, she will push and push, till she gets what she wants,
Stop this manikin or pay the price .
it must be applauded That's right Crisitina!May 08th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
592,412 watched in YouTube and millions more in every important news organization around the globe.
Comment removed by the editor.May 08th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As an Argentine I must say I loved the memorial to our dead heroes in Islas Malvinas Argentina, and I will like to remind UK that they better get used to the status quo since this is how Argentina will mock UK every chance we get. I also warned them that we Argentines will treat you landmark and war memorials in the same manner and we hold the right to desecrate you war memorials. Long live justice enjoy it.May 08th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@157 tobiasMay 08th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
what on earth are you talking about ?
mein fuhrer 592,000 hits on a youtube channel!!!May 08th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
a dancing dog gets more hits!!!...since when has a governments popularity been gauged on number of hits on youtube channel, man shes in the @hit
@157 Tobias -it's a bit wandering chap but you do have a sense of humour!May 08th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@161 Pirat Hunter what are you saying? It's just pointless & offensive to human decency, regardless of any nationality or cause.
@160 Piny.May 08th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The translation made no more sense than the original !
The memorial to your heroes on the Falkland Islands that is looked after by the Falkland Islanders with respect for those that died in that war as result of your invasion and subsequent defeat.
@12 you seem to misunderstand what self-determination isMay 08th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Is that the same right to self-determination the UK Government allowed the Chagossians , the residents of Diego Garcia before forceably removing them to Mauritus and the Seychelles, I wonder?
166 Marcos AlejandroMay 08th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You seem to missunderstand what logic is.
KFC quote: “They have taken over something (Falklands) that doesn’t belong to them”
Argentina didn't exist at the time Britain took sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Vernet was there for a few months with an illegal garrison and was kicked out by the US Navy for piracy.
Argentina also refuses to acknowledge that Formosa and Misiones Provinces were annexed from Paraguay in 1870, following the same Argentine logic they should be returned, along with Martin Garcia Island annexed from Uruguay and just a half mile off the Uruguay coast, also Patagonia which was claimed by Chile at the time Argentina annexed it should be returned to Chile.
Wait do I hear the bleating of nationalist sentiment? But we annexed Patagonia before Chile established its rule over the province... But Paraguay started the Paraguay War... But we have treaties! But that does not change the fact that these lands were taken and Argentina is an hypocrisy of STAGGERING PROPORTIONS.
If you only ever hear one side of the story and that story is wrong you are subject of propaganda. Britain took sovereignty of the Falklands long before Argentina existed. And besides which for almost 200 years a population has thrived on the islands and their right under UN Charter is the right to self-determination - in other words the right to choose sovereignty and they choose Britain. They and their culture is British, it is their way of life at stake. If you were a Falkland Islander you would choose the same.
If Argentina believes in returning land it should return Formosa and Misiones Provinces to Paraguay, return Martin Garcia Island to Uruguay and return the parts of Patagonia it took from Chile. Cut the crap and cut the hypocrisy Argentina and learn the history of the Falkland Islands they do not exist in an Argentine vacuum devoid of logic.
@167 So let me get this straigh, according to KFC people in the future can lay claim to things that they don't own, because they don't exist.May 08th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina didn't exist when the UK claimed the islands, but the future Argentina used a time machine to go back to the mid 1700's to claim the islands before the British and before the Islands existed.
They then used a time machine to travel back in time to before the UK claimed British Antarctica which they were first to get to.
Then they claimed South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands without even going to them.
Then they travelled back to 1945 and rescued Hitler and some more SS officer friends of KFC and Nestor's parents.
Is this basically the fundamental line of her logic, that she can claim things before Argentina existed, simply because she feels like it? That's quite fantastic.
Argtards gonna tard.
#~~~THE TIME MACHINE ~~~~#May 08th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
CFK as the mad professor
And the Tin Man as DR whattoo
The mad CFK goes back in time to
Rescue the mad adolf from a hot petrol can,
To bring him home to argieland,
With him and Mussolini, we will conquer the world, with victory after victory,
And all with her little plastic friend.
Tobias et alMay 08th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I forget share the quote comes from and I must therefore paraphrase but someone once said Fear the British because they are good at war
I am not wholly British ( dual national but 100% non Brit origin) and though from a family of soldiers that sentiment is correct - Britain has some of he best soldiers in the world and showed many times how a trained smaller force can beat a bigger conscript ill trained one.
1982 spring to mind ?
@170 A better one would be the Battle of Imjin River in the Korean war. The Glosters were maaasively out-numbered by a Chinese force when forced to retreat to Hill 235.May 08th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
South Koreans don't really know anything about this battle, but it basically stopped the Chinese from over-running Seoul.
CFK's attempt to grab control of the Falkland Islands is as dangerous as it is ludicrous. There are three FACTS that CFC seems incapable of recognizing: 1) The citizens of the Falklands do not want to become Argentine citizens, 2) They have the right to determine their government, and 3) Argentina has no right of claim over the Falklands. They have been part of the United Kingdom for over 180 years. The only claim Argentina has is the Falklands are rich with oil and Argentina wants to grab the money. SHAMELESS!May 08th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#157May 08th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As such an act of landing on foreign soil with weapons in an offensive maneuver is automatially a declaration of war in any code of international law
No idea what you were getting at in that long ranting post, but in the passage that I quote above you have finally said something which I agree with. And, of course, it was your pathetic military dictatorship which did exactly that .... and that's why we have such complete contempt for your country.
#171May 08th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The Glorious Gloucesters I know about it well mind you my father's best man was in the battle of Dien Bien Phu
The UK would have left as the locals disliked but the Argentinians do not understand democracy
@tobias 157.May 08th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You and whose army is going to turf us out of the Falklands?
Taking them from us will involve an opposed landing, a very hard thing to accomplish.
Do you think we would just roll over and let you trample all over us? Are you that simple minded?
You had better hope your assualt troops remeber to bring the appropriate survival gear. SSNs don't take prisoners and the waters of the south atlantic are very cold.
Even if you took the islands - we could retake them from you, given time.
We will not simply give them to you either. You are totally impotent to do anything but huff and puff on the world stage.
151 tobias (#)May 08th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
the war won't be with the UK. So. If Argentina attacks another country the UK shouldn't have anything to be involved with.
Ah so the cats out of the bag,,, YOU do intend to attack another country, if you fail with us,
Poor sods , we wonder who it will be …
Could you find some army to kick us out,
As we see it, there is just a hand full of countries that have the men and equipment to cick us out,
And out of all of these,
The death toll would be to high to try it,
So you are left with one piece of hope,
And that is that the Americans declare for you, and forces us out with blockades and the strangulation of our trade, , and using her fleets to destroy us,
Now before we all laugh, it’s a possibility, no matter how remote, it is a possibility
Could you find some army to kick us out,May 09th, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Without firing a shot Argentina will kick you out...Either way,somebody is going to obliterate you.You have pissed too many people of..BTW,I do not mean brits people,since there are many good people in uk..but certain forces inside,is pulling you in the wrong way...
My scenario was nothing about the Falkland Islands. It was about a British invasion of the Argentine mainland.May 09th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina, you have a real looser in Cristina Fernández. A REAL LOOSER. - Millet USAMay 09th, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
179 MilletMay 09th, 2012 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Yank, I am trying to learn your language but apparently I am not the only one.
A looser is a loser who can't spell loser.
@180May 09th, 2012 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
How do you know that is not the way the yanks spell Loser. After all the Americans and the Brits are two nations seperated by the same language, but not the same ideas of what freedom means! Sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, in your RG dreams!
180 - Your the exception to that rule jajajajajaja pirats etc etcMay 09th, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
l think its time to stop replying to tobias.May 09th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
He says that he is not a malvinista & has no desire to claim the Falklands. He says.
lf such is the case then l have no quarrel with him.
l am not here to debate the pros & cons about Argentina.
As long as they leave the Falklands alone, l don't care one way or the other about them.
Besides there are much more juicy prey out there.
& others.(poor Malvinero1 is too silly to be serious).
Good hunting everyone!
Great speech by my Queen, once again proving her intellect, resolve and rhetorical skill are just like her beauty - second to none =)May 09th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
184 Scottie_KirchneristMay 09th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Mmm, did you not think the 'face' was down to the last 1.6 mm of rubber and due for a retread?
I could arrange for a few 'treads' to be done on it, big ones, size 10 boots no less.
CFK is using all of her creativity to keep her head above the water as she and her Nazi Politburo continues to destroy any credibility that Argentina has as a nation.May 09th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
we think tobiasMay 09th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
would be very happy, if CFK pulled argentina out of the olympics, and the UN , and if CFK just left the falklands alone, stopped all trade with the UK import and export, and isolated herself with the south americans, and abandoned the rest of the world,
well , you get the feeling he does not like the peacefull british,
well tobias, perhaps one day, you may well get your wish,
in the meantime, you will just have to put up with us,
and belive me,,you are in good safe hands,
trust us lol.
I want to put in a plea for poor old tobias.May 09th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
He is a gentle person who really does not want to harm or bother the Falkland Islanders.
He is an intelectual who really does love his country, his province and his city. And with reason, Mendoza is probably the cleanest cities in Argentina, and the Province is without doubt one of the most beautiful and productive in the country. It also produces some of the best wine available anywhere in the world, especially the high altitude Malbecs, they are out of this world.
He has one other tremendous virtue, he is appalled by the Kirchnerist rabble and finds it very hard to reach an internal consensus over how to answer the admittedly harsh criticisms of our country by some of the more virulent Brits on this sight. On the one hand I must defend my country and on the other The Government of my country is indefensable. It is a harsh dilemma.
Well Well, we are truly shocked, yes,, truly shockedMay 09th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
That poor Tobias, who but tries, has only one loyal supporter that comes to his aid, and defends him,
Perhaps he has more argentine foes, than he first thought.
The sooner CFK gets out the better, in the meantime Toby should go for UDI
And go it alone .
@tobias - I wondered why the post I was replying to made no sense!May 09th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There is no way that the UK is capable of staging an invasion of your home country, and we lack the will and need to do so. It won't happen.
@malvibaby - tablet time again...............
@BK - your queen is a bit of a silly woman really. Does'nt seem to be able to run a p*** up in a brewery. I know the UK has a crap govt, but the self absorbed and erratic policies of CFK bring poor governance to whole new level.
Marcos Alejandro (#)180 - Let me put it this way. Cristina Fernández is a real loser. A REAL LOSER. - Millet USAMay 09th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
186 Brit BobMay 09th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
CFK is using all of her creativity to keep her head above the water
Well, she has enough rubber up there so she might just use it as a bouyancy aid.
Puts a whole new meaning on 'blow job'. :o)
For Tobias, et. al.May 10th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I have great respect for the Argentine military. I first observed them in 1983. Though ill-fed, ill-equipped, and burdened with incompetent officers, they are very brave. Their officers have wonderful uniforms and look great at the asados the large estancias have on Sundays. What is most admirable about the enlisted men is their ability to assess their opponents strength, something neither their political leaders or officers can do. I understand that the British army provided many hot meals and dry beds during the Great War of the Malvinas. I wonder how many emigrated to Great Britain or applied for citizenship at Stanley?
The tortch was lit, in greece today, and is on its way,May 10th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The Aircraft Carriers will be operational by 2020 (repeat)May 10th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
hey reminds me of that bit in Star Wars ''the death star will be operational'' Anyhoo only 8 years to plan and invade RG's. Saying that we will prob only have a handful of planes to fly off it in 2020 so maybe 10 years!
Actually, I find it strange that the UK has never had an aircraft carrier. When I was in the US Navy I was stationed on board the USS Bonhomme Richard. Our ship had a ship's company of approximately 5,000 sailors.May 10th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The royal navy has had aircraft carriers, [a British invention ya know]May 10th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The last one was I believe the ark royal in the later 70s,
Followed by the through carriers/ or through cruisers,
The reasons are difficult and complicated [very]
They all blame each other, or money or economy or the cold war ect ect .
Even jealously comes into it .
But some other military enthusiast will no doubt enlighten you.
@MilletMay 11th, 2012 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
You were on the Bonhomme Richrad LHD6? That ship is roughly twice the displacement of an Invincible class ship, and about twice the crew (including USMC compliment).
@Briton - The HMS Ark Royal you are referring to was indeed deleted from the navy in 1979. Their was a replacement class planned (CVA01) but the labour govt killed it - they did'nt want fixed wing aircraft at sea, partly due to in service rivalry with the RAF.
The Invincibles were sold as helicopter carriers - but the RN intended them to operate Sea Harriers from the start.
Without this bit of forsight the Argentines would have won in 82 and ethnically cleansed the islands- kicking out all the residents.
HMG is currently making itself look foolish by mucking about with the new aircraft carrier programme - delaying it (increasing costs) and flip flopping on the choice of aircraft. They should have gone for cat and trap to start with....morons.......
I agree, the goverment keeps fxcking it up, we should have without doubt [today] a navy to be proud of, at least 3 carriers 4 heli carriers 6 roll on /of , 30 frigates and 20 destroyers at the very least,May 11th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
we get 2 heli carriers, one will be withdrawn soon,
2 carriers, but not untill 2020, and only one may go to sea, and yet still no planes to fly of it, about 8 friages opperating and 6 destroyers, a bloody disgrace, yet they still expect our young men to fight and die, while our MPs play with their european toys.
just a thought .
There are thoughts that aircraft carriers are now too vulnerable.May 11th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Thr Soviets solution was to mount a mass attack of up to 24 air launched missiles to attack a carrier. Only one would be needed to knock out a ship. Now China has a mach 3 anti ship missile which can be launched from a submarine. The next missile will be a ballistic missile which can be launched from land and hit a target at sea. Currently there is no defence against this.
Maybe carriers will go the way of the battleship.
@168 In literary studies, CFK's way of blending fantasy with the real world used to go under the name of Magic(al) Realism.May 11th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@99 tobias maybe you should read your links. It says 5 in Europe, and at least one of them are in the UK. I'll name two possible areas that could have it: Dounreay and Sellafield. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway I think this shows that they are loaing the battle of trying to win over the international community about the FALKLANDS (1982 lolol). Argentina are just a shambles, and will always will be. UK is much better and no-one can argue against that, if they are from Argentina especially. FALKLANDS will always stay in British hands, because we will make sure they own the oil, and it'll come to us.May 11th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#201 No its just called good oratory, something we used to have a lot of in Britain but no moreMay 12th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@clydeMay 14th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
A carrier is a big fat target on it's own - however the amount of missiles required to saturate the defences of a modern carrier battlegroup has increased exponentially in the past 30 years.
During wargames in the 80s the admirals playing the soviets were able to sink USN carriers, and there is no doubt that the real Soviets would have managed the same- however, the USN would have heavily attrited the AVMF assets required to carry these attacks out. Some of the carriers would have survived.
Today a USN battlegroup has an escort containing at least 3-4 aegis equipped destroyers and cruisers that link together cooperatively to coordinate fire. Each of these ships can fire dozens of SAMs in a minute, and guide them to separate targets. To penetrate this level of defence requires many attackers, good planning and a dose of luck.
Of course, a submarine launched torpedo is not interceptable. That is why carriers escort groups contain ships with towed arrays sonar and usually include one or 2 submarines of their own.
~204May 14th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I have been reading learned scenarios on the possible use of these weapons.
With an estimated range of 1700 Km. , the threat could force the carriers to keep out of this range. This would prevent the use of their aircraft.
Seemingly, the trajectory off the missiles is not sea skimming or the same as a regular ICBM and the defending vessels are not configured for this kind of attack.
Another possibility is a saturation attack. The defending vessels would use up all thier store of defensive missiles and then have to replenish. At this point, a fresh attack is made with no defense left. A bit like Star Trek with the shields down and the Klingons coming full on---if you forgive the analogy.
Boudou charged with illegal enrichmentMay 14th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
“creativity can’t be censored, it must be applauded”, says CFK
i wonder if KFC will be backing Boudou after his creative antics?