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As in Hitler’s time, the Olympic spirit exploited for political purposes
By Harold Briley - Hitler exploited the Olympics. Argentina’s cynical and infantile exploitation of the Olympic Games for political purposes is a reminder, if any is needed, of its persistent failure to abide by accepted standards of honesty and decency. Read full article
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May 11th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a ridiculous article
May 11th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What a ridiculous article”
May 11th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......I don't like this news. Bring me some other news.
The article is full of truth and yet very painful for the ordinary Argentinian in the street to comprehend just how the World views them. They have unfortunately been indoctrinated by lies and propaganda since the 1950s to distort history and as a result the nation is in 100th place in the World Index of Corrupt Nations Index, sitting in between Benin and Burkina Faso.
May 11th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The botox queen and the Nazi Politburo fool no-one on the international stage.
By far the most stupid article i have not bothered to finish in along time.
May 11th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to talk politics and olympics, You need only go back as far as the 1980 boycott of the Moscow games by the USA and most of the British team.
This boycott was because those dastadly Russians had invaded Afghanistan.
Will Britain now maintain the same standards and anounce that they are boycotting there own olympics.
Regards the Argentine olympic advert i think any kind of none violent protest should be seen as just that. Nothing to get ones knickers in a twist about.
Making Nazi comparisons is nothing short of pathetic.
But having said that sport and politics should in an ideal world be seperate.
We don't live in an adeal world and Britain is certainly not standing on ny moral high ground.
2 British_Kirchnerist (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What a ridiculous article”
Only ridiculous to those who cannot see the woods for the trees, this is common knowledge to most in the world except you brainwashed Argies who wish not to believe it.
Your nationalism will be yet again the downfall of Arg.
@5 To be fair, the parallels between Nazi Germany and the Hitler-loving Peronsville in South America go far and beyond the Olympic games. Just pointing out this case does detract from the generally Nationalist Socialist policies of the ruling family dictatorship of Argtardia.
May 11th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 1980 Olympics was boycotted by over 60 teams, including Argentina, so I've no idea why you're singling out GB and the US like we were the only ones. The invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 was under incomparable circumstances than the invasion of recent years so that's basically not even worth mentioning. I don't know what a “none violent” protest is, I guess it's similar to a non-violent one, but it still doesn't apply to Argentina's tactics. They are the equivalent of someone who steps in your way each time you try to go somewhere, it might not be physically attacking but's it's certainly aggressive and their (not “there”, by the way) current policy of doing just this makes them no less than bullies.
May 11th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 windy (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 01:10 pm
What a stupid comment.
Kretina's Government is self styled as: Socialist and Nationalist.....
NAZI.
@5 windy (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 01:10 pm
Boycotting the games would be acceptable behaviour. Rather than unrepentantly using the games to further a political cause and still turning up to them.
Argentines obviously still need lessons in acceptable behaviour.
@5 windy
May 11th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What on earth are you on about. Admittedly, the US/UK boycot of the 1980 of the Moscow Olympics was political in motivation. However, boycotting is a league apart from exploiting [the Olympics], it is the only legitimate means of protest available to signatories of the olympic charter. The US/UK teams could, of course, shot propaganda films associating the Moscow Olympics with the Afghanistan issue (for all I know, they did; I a little too young to remember first hand), or they could have turned up wrapped in Afghan flags. However, such would have been infantile and in clear violation of the olympic charter, not to mention diplomatically counter productive (though arguably, so was the boycot).
In any case, it's a specious comparison you draw, between the invasion of Afghanistan (either one; USSR or US/UK) and Argentina's claim on the Falkland Islands. Also, why would the UK boycot the games. What grievance does the UK government have with... erm... itself?
I fail to see how the UK is not inhabiting the moral high ground on this issue. There are certainly many issues with regards which the UK does not inhabit the moral high ground (the treatment of the Chagos Islanders of Diego Garcia for example), but the Falkland Islands issue is certainly not one such case. The UK supports the Islanders right to self-determination. In line with the principals upon which the UN was founded, and upon which any civilised deplomacy rests. The UK would have a hard time reverting to technical claims (as Argentina does, albeit false and feeble technical claims) should the Islanders change their minds and seek either independence or union with Argentina. Thus it seems likely that this is (and well remain) the honest position of the UK government (for the forseeable future). If that's not your moral high ground, I don't know how to relate to you!
I do agree with you on one thing though. Raising a comparison with the Nazi's is perhaps a little strong, and dare I say, Godwinish.
... and they do seem very keen to expand their lebensraum. South America's new comic Nazis. Although they haven't expressed any intention to invade Poland yet, something's inspired them to make claims to and sent their military to Polar regions of Antarctica. :D
May 11th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK did not boycott the Moscow games.
May 11th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alan Wells was the last white man to win Olympic gold in the 100m and Daley Thompson won gold in the decathalon.
Argentina is perfectly entitled to boycott the London Olympics - I hope they do - but they are not entitled to participate and use it for political purposes too.
GB, not UK.
May 11th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you, if the games was in Argentina,??
May 11th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The attitude would be the opposite, would it not .
While the IOC code is GBR the team is actually the whole of the UK including Northern Ireland.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when they dont know what to say they call us nazis. nothing more far of Arg.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ad is nothing important. Arg think Malvinas are argentinian, thats all. And we can say, the way we want.
Important is to notice that the world would be safer with peace, creativity than with bombing civilians. Look at yourselves, that lacks of all kind of creativity.
There was not British boycott of the Moscow Olympics Thatcher wanted to but the Briyich O'C rejected. Besides Well and Thompson what about Ovett in the 800 metres and Seb ( now Lord) Coe in the 1500 - probably the best 2 middle distance races at an Olympics
May 11th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am argentinian but I agree with this article, KFK government is using “Nazi”like propaganda.However I do not think using stairs of a war monument was on a purspose of disrespect (some goverment officers here are really out of reallity but this is too foolish even for them!) . The atleths were deceived and used by goverment, this is not the way, olimpics spirit should not be tainted by inmature political ambitions.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that an athletle of 34 years old is enough grown up to know the responsabilitites of his decissions.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not bombing robbing killing insulting stealing.
Provocation is sendind a stupid prince to make militar trainning that he didint do because he is prince, or to send a warship, or from a foreign state to militarize a region that is caractherized of peace.
17 malen (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 02:28 pm
We have a Nationalist and Socialist Government. This is exactly how the Government describes itself: That is NAZI. We can say the way we want that the “Malvinas are Argentine” (they aren't BTW) but NOT invoking the name of the Olympic Games as we did in the spot.
The world would certainly be safer without bombing, civilians or not, but if you mean by look at yourselves that the UK lacks all kind of creativity then I think your wrong after all the agency that made this “creative” film is British!!!!
the british company paid arg creatives. they pay.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like my country, this gov is not nazi.
The ad doesnt invoque the olimpycs. he says he trains in arg soil. thats what we think. The prince says he trains in britsh soil, thats what he thinks. nothing different.
and the isles sovereignity are in dispute. arent arg or british. The british administers them by force.
saying it like it is. well done
May 11th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Malen, that's where you're wrong. Your government is National Socialist, and bases it's ideology clearly on Hitlerism, thinly veiled by Peron. Even the Brown shirts still exist, through La Campora, and the expansionist policies.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Going to your list, you are bombing EU offices, you're robbing Spain of entire companies, you're killing your own aboriginals, you're insulting the Falkland Islanders with your talk of invasion, and you're stealing from your own people to pay La Campora through their mismanagement of your state companies.
If you think sending a 'prince' to the Falklands is provocation, why are the USA not up in arms about you sending your 'princess' to NYC to do training? We don't listen to Argtards when it comes to deployment of the military, sorry. We also didn't militarise the South Atlantic, you did with your warmongering. Brazil continues do develop weaponry to protect themselves from you, as do Chile and Uruguay.
You're just an ignoramus, but that's typical of argtards. You're a danger to humanity.
22 malen (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 02:54 pm
I don't like my country, I LOVE my country, but that doesn't mean I can't see when my country makes a mistake, and that is exactly what happened in this case. We made a mistake and we should admit it and apologize and get on with our lives.
When we said in the advert:“To compete on British soil...” we invoked the Olympic Games.
Malen, learn the difference between nationalism and patriotism and you will be a better “argentina”.
Superb article. I note more and more the Hitler references being laid at Argentina's doorstep. They are an expansionist, vile regime.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are not bombing civilians of independent countries of the world.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bombing the EU offices???? stupid people are everywhere, but it wasnt sth like in Libya, or was it similar a the bombing of civilians in the middle east??
robbing spain??? well they have robbed this continent plenty. the are many spanish comapanies here still. they must be happy making big money, not thinking we are robbing them if they stay.
I dont pay for La campora.
And Brazil can do what wants it is a sovereign state of this region. ANd I dont see brazilians using that for killling people arround the world, like I see you. They make peace missions, not killing ones.
@27
May 11th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Uk is a war like nation. It is in our nature. However we are not attacking innocent civilians as you are trying to portray, we are taking out extremely evil regimes such as that in Iraq and Libya. You know that as well as I do. Iran's nuclear facilities will likely be next.
there is nothing to be gained by killing innocent civilians but in war it sometimes happens.
when Argentina and the UK go to war sometime soon we will take your military facilities out on the mainland, however there is no gain to be got from bombing buenos aires, no matter how much we would like to do it.
your civilians will be spared but your armed forces and their equipment will not.
28 you lack creativity and peace in your head, feelings and culture.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say it, war is part of your nation, its part of your nature.
You need to learn to resolve conflicts in other way.
The Cestrian extolls “war like” customs on the one had, and objurgates “expansionist” customs not two replies prior.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know Britain wants to be “Bipolar”, I didn't think it meant literally the population.
@22
May 11th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The british administers them by force.”
Complete bollocks, you're an idiot Malen.
@29 we lack creativity? That's hilarious. Your country hasn't invented anything of any benefit to humanity, other than a vile vile ideology, Peronism, that is basically thinly veiled Hilterism.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, we were negotiating with you in 1982 when you chose a popular War by invading the Falklands against their wishes. It was you who chose war. You were in the process of planning to invade Chile. So don't sit there pretending your country isn't warlike. The only reason we have so many military there is to protect a fledgling state from your aggression and ideologically enshrined expansionism.
There is very little difference between 1930s Nazi-German and 2010s Nazi-Argentina, and we should not forget that simple fact.
What an excellent article, well written and factually accurate as you can tell by all the Malvanistas getting themselves all in a two and eight (bet they cannot figure that one out).
May 11th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should boycott the Olympics because of the IOC, not the Falklands issue.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 033 ChrisR (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 03:38 pm
I'm not a malvinista and I can't figure it out!!!
@34 You should boycott it because of the Falklands issue; the world isn't tired yet of hearing how desperate Argentina is to annex someone land that doesn't belong to you and then eradicate all the locals, after forcing them all to speak Spanish.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boycotting the Olympics would just spread that great message just that little bit more.
When is Neo-Hitler and her massive lardy son taking us to the Hague, by the way?
@ 17 - Malen
May 11th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Look at yourselves, that lacks of all kind of creativity.”
As a cartoonist, I can think of plenty of ways to demonstrate creativity regarding my pro-Falkland Island stance. I'm sure many of the other Falkland Island supporters here can demonstrate creativity regarding the issue.
It's simple that we don't want to lower ourselves to the Argentine level Malen.
5 Windy
May 11th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you want to talk politics and olympics, You need only go back as far as the 1980 boycott of the Moscow games by the USA and most of the British team”.
What are you smoking Windy? It was Argentina that boycotted the Moscow Olympics. Britain attended and won quite a few Golds with Seb Coe (1500m) and Steve Ovett (800m) among them.
If there were Olympic events for telling lies and twisting history Argentina would win Gold every time.
Once upon a time I would have said yeah, lets talk & see if we can come to some arrangement, but after reading some of the supercilious tripe on here from Argentinian pricks and tossers my attitude is - no way can Argentina be allowed an inch of British South Atlantic territory.
You guys are Nazis.
@32
May 11th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If nothing has ever been invented in Argentina, refuse a blood transfusion after you crash drunk, don't listen again to AM radio for talk or music, demand all fingerprinting science to deter crime or ID people immediately cease, don't ask for a by-pass heart surgery, don't ask for laser optics eye surgery to improve your vision, don't get on a helicopter, ask surgeons to perform surgery on you without any rib-spreader, surgical scissors or Finocchieto devices, ban women from wearing gaucho pants to go out at night, don't watch any sort of animated/cartoon show or film ever again, refuse tamper-proof plastic syringes, no more tango in your dancing with stars shows, no chimichurri sauce, dulce de leche, no cornbeef, no salsa golf, and go pack to using feathers and ink for writing.
Its not a lot, admittedly, since we are 200 year old country and not 1000 or 2000 years old and we don't have hundreds of millions of people, so taking those thing out of your lifestyle should be simple. But at least be a man and honor what you say.
@39“ban women from wearing gaucho pants to go out at night” women wear just undies when they go out? Glouriously whorish. Animated cartoons were invented by Argtards? I'll tell that to ancient-man, the arabs and Georges Méliès. Basically whatever you said is unvarifiable nonsense. The argtards invented nothing.
May 11th, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FYI. Babylonians and endless other folks identified themselves by their fingerprints through using them as signatures.Seriously, you're such a tard that i'm at a loss for words.
Besides, what the hell does your attempt at turd-polishing have to do with Argtardia being effectively a Nazi state?
@39
May 11th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But GreekYoghurt is right when he says that there is little difference between 1930s Nazi Germany and what Argentina has become. Your government wants to dictate not discuss; it distorts inflation figures and everything else and spouts propaganda not historical fact.
@Malen
May 11th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its very simple.
If Argentina stopped obsessing over the FI AND if it hadnt invaded the FI within the living memory of most if not all the posters here then there would most probably still be a tiny token military presence there like prior to the 82 invasion which was popularly supported by Argentinians.
Let me repeat that -there would most probably still be a tiny token military presence there like prior to the 82 invasion which was popularly supported by Argentinians -
This being the reason that Argentina decided the invasion attempt was credible.
Presently there is just - JUST - enough show of force to discourage an invasion by Argentina. 1200 soldiers, One ship and 4 fighters in territory recognized legally by the UN as a British Overseas Territory in what is a huge region is hardly militarizing the South Atlantic.
BUT EVEN IF Britain was looking to expand its influence in the region it would have been triggered by the 82 invasion by Argentina. Argentina only has itself to blame.
Argentina has used violent and malicious tactics to try to gain the FI. The UK has only simply defended its interests. It didnt bomb Buenos Aires which it could easily have done.
You have no rational argument as usual.
This probably will not mean much to our Argentine friends, but it will to us Brits. Christmas Day 1914!
May 11th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 reality check (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 04:56 pm
That's exactly what we need. To stop the name calling and virulence and try to find a real answer to the problem.
First Argentina HAS to give up the stupid false claim to the islands.
Then we can talk about what we an do between us to make life better for everyone. Probably the next step is to get a sane government in Argentina. I don't know where we'll find a sane politician here!!!
39! am radio, the helicopter, corned beef, finger printing, none of these were invented by an Argentine, i cant be bothered checking the rest.
May 11th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the ball point pen invention is the one most Argentines recognise.
May 11th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, other athletes were involved in the subterfuge. I hope none of these are in the olympic squad. One cannot served 2 masters! (hey and jesus said that).
May 11th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A good article points out all the inadequacies of the government. In truth the article needs to be a lot longer!
no chimichurri sauce, dulce de leche, no cornbeef, no salsa golf.
May 11th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a crying fcuking shame! oh wait....Salsa golf....aka...Prawn cocktail ripoff!
Argentina did join allied side on 27 March 1945, but war was pretty well over by then, and Argentina not the only country to accept ex-Nazis - Canada took some too.
May 11th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure Briley's point is strengthened by his statement that, “President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has facilitated trial and punishment of the Junta leaders.” Yeah, so how does that connect to Nazi Olympics + Argentina? Maybe he left something out?
However, Briley's main thesis that Argie video reflects Nazi Olympic culture isn't far from the mark, but Argentina not the only country guilty of that. Between torch-light parades and the country-specific teams, much of Nazi Olympic culture has endured. And slick, deceitfully-made and tasteless Argentine video featuring Zylberberg has elements of Leni Riefenstahl's “Olympia” to boot.
Ex-Penguin News editor Lisa Watson tweet on the stupid Argie video seemed appropriate: ”Initially angry but then saw the funny side and the jokes began:-) Someone suggested Falklands Tourist Board commissioned it.”
I asked a medic nearby and they said that blood transfusions were not invented by Argentines, It was an italian and then a British guy perfected it.
May 11th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Helicopters were essentially invented by Da Vinci, then some french dude did the thing we know today.
The Ballpoint pen most certainly was not invented by an Argentine. It was Biro, Loud et al.
Seriously, what the furk has Argentina given the world other than pyssing everyone off with their anachronistic Nazism.
#39
May 11th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is fraught with danger to claim an invention. Most inventions are the culmination of many people's ideas .
I checked on some of the items in your postings for my own edification
The first successfull blood transfusion - on record-seemed to have been carried out by Dr. J. Blundell in the UK in 1818
For AM radio, Reginald Fessesnden in Canada in 1906.
Fingerprints. Dr.Henry Faulds a Scottish surgeon, in Tokyo in 1880.
I am not saying that there was never any Argentine input into any of these procedures or “inventions”, nor am I saying that the examples given above were the sole inventors or discoverers . Scientific discoveries usually come on the backs of previous discoveries until the final breakthrough is made. The last in the chain gets the credit.
Off the top of my head, I can think of few real discoveries or inventions that made the breakthrough. I suppose James Watt's discovery of how to make the steam engine work efficiently is one. As is the jet engine by Sir Frank Whittle, Radar, the cavity magnetron and the first digital programable computer, Colossus” built by a British telephone engineer in 1943. Because this was destroyed at the end of WW2 and remained Top Secret until 2000, others were given the credit for the invention of the Digital Computer.
So, I think that all countries should be careful for taking the credit for inventions that came on the back of other peoples work.
People are just taking the piss out of the RG's now. No credibility left.
May 11th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51 I'm still struggling to see the Argentine input.
May 11th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I know is that they joined the allies at the end of WW2 because they knew Hitler wasn't going to give them the South Atlantic, like he promised if he won. Which is pretty much why Peron got so upset and said the 'wrong side won'. No Antarctic or South Atlantic islands for you Mr Peron, just the ruination of your nation for many many generations of their own causing.
Quite fun though.
22 malen
May 11th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, Malen the international law expert, you are completely wrong.
The fact that Argentina has decided to pursue a spurious claim to the falkland Islands doesn't affect the islands' sovereignty at all. The Islands are under British sovereignty, a fact that is recognised by everybody apart from you. Actually, even the Argentine government recognises that it has to approach the UK regarding FI foreign relations.
And the islands are not held by force.They are protected my a minimum deterrent. If you hadn't invaded in 1982, that minimum deterrent would be a lot less than it is now.
I'm not seeing much 'creativity and peace' in your head. Do you have anything in your head at all?
Never mind, you can go back to wittering on about Libya now.
Matters nought really. This woman will still exploit the games has she does with everything else. Philosiphers all over the world will be falling over themselfs to put a name to this womans behaviour. The rest of us will see it for what it really is. The actions of an insane mind.
May 11th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 But you cannot deny that it's fun to laugh at her when she does her exploitations because, let's face it, they're sh!t.
May 11th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Then why did you read it? I presume it is because you are lonely and need the reassurance that the world actually exists. After all, with your attitudes, it is doubtful that you would dare go out on the street in any sane country.
May 11th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 How would you know anything about moral high ground? It's doubtful if you've ever seen any. It's doubtful if any argie has seen any moral high ground since 1810.
@17 Don't be shy. If the cap fits, you should wear it. One other thing. You said “Arg think”. That's an oxymoron.
@20 Oh dear. “sendind a stupid prince to make militar trainning”. You do scare easy, don't you? One man in an unarmed SAR helicopter and you're dropping bricks in your pants. “send a warship, or from a foreign state to militarize a region that is caractherized of peace”. But you sent a number of warships to militarise some peaceful Islands. And, as a result, we've been sending a warship since 1982. Remember how that came about?
@22 Did you ever have a brain to be washed? “To compete on English soil, we train on Argentine soil”. Do tell us about all the forthcoming events where you will be competing on English soil? And Britain doesn't administer by force. It administers by consensus.
@27 Of course you're not doing any bombing. Because you can't and because you daren't. It's doubtful if you have enough money to be able to afford to load a peashooter. And if you try anything you are likely to become one big crater. I assume that you think you don't pay La Campora because you don't pay taxes. Because that's where La Campora gets its money from, courtesy of CFK.
@29 YOU are in no position to talk. You've been killing people for hundreds of years.
@34 Argentines should stay away from Britain. They are likely to drown!
@ 39 Human blood transfusion - France. AM radio - Canada. Fingerprinting - Britain. By-pass surgery - United States. Laser eye surgery - Colombia. Helicopter - Denmark. Rib spreader - France. That was easy! Another product of argie education!
@Malen
May 11th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you mail your self back home,
you might post better .
@57 Conqueror spot on with @39 and proof that the poor old Argentine's do believe their own propaganda.
May 11th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
May 11th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Simon68
May 11th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being in 'a two and eight' is to be in a 'state' or upset!
It comes from Cockney Rhyming Sland: cockneys being London people who were born within the sound of Bow Bells (the bells of St. Mary-Le-Bow, Bow, the area of East London).
Other 'witticisms' include:
apples and pears = stairs
trouble and strife = wife
A list of up to date cockney can be found at:
http://www.phespirit.info/cockney/slang_to_english.htm
:o)
61 CR
May 11th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot, “Thruppeny bits.”
Malen,
May 11th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does the UK administer the Falklands by force?
The people of the FI have said clearly they don’t want to be part of Argentina.
The opposite is true. Argentina is trying to force them to be Argentinean.
If I was British I would want a military force on the islands. What guarantee do they have that Arg won’t try to take the islands again?
You should remember that the invasion in 1982 was not about sovereignty, it was about expanding Argentina. Your government also wanted to invade southern Chile. Luckily for us (Chile) the Argies made the foolish mistake of taking the FI first.
In Chile we know better than anyone that Argentineans don’t value agreements. In fact all your neighbours know this hence nobody trusts you.
I regret that the Chilean gov allows itself to be bullied by Arg. I think it is deplorable that the shipment of fresh food from Punta Arenas has been cut off. That is what you do in a military siege, it is not what “creative, peaceful” people do.
Before you attack the British for being warmongers, history would show that the Uk is very magnanimous in victory. Many victors take vindictive reprisals after a war. The UK could have bombed Argentinean airfields and sunk the Arg navy after the war to deter a repeat, but they didn’t, in fact they pushed to establish the status quo. Many countries would not have been so generous. Ask Argie combat veterans who treated them better, the Brits after the war or their officers during the war.
Take some time to think about your desire for the Falklands, it is just based on dented pride and poor information.
PS:
Did you know Chile is just as close to the islands, in fact Puerto Williams is closer than either Ushuaia or Rio Gallegos...and 10% of the Falkland population are Chilean. Maybe Chile should claim the islands, that would really liven things up.
@ 57 Conqueror
May 11th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First By-Pass Surgery using a saphenous vein autograft (the technique we use today): Dr. Rene Favaloro, Argentine.
63 Condorito
May 11th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice post .
@PGH Wasn't the first heart-bypass surgery, it was just a type of. First heart-bypass was in the USA. Argentina claiming stuff that's just not true again.
May 11th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reductio_ad_Hitlerum is not relevant in this case. Kirchenerism is Peronism is Hitlerism, regardless of how much you wish it wasn't.
@66
May 11th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right. All these claimed Arg inventions are minor at best. There are 100s of thousands of inventions patented every year. I actually hold a couple myself ;)
But there is a huge difference between inventing a slightly better way of doing something and breaking new ground.
I see tobias took the time to list some Arg inventions. If I were to do the same for the UK, or any serious country with a significant scientific base I would be here for weeks. But here are a couple of major ones to make the point about significant inventions:
1) Telephone (Bell – Scottish)
2) Television (Baird – Scottish)
3) Penicillin (Flemming – Scottish) I know it is a discovery rather than an invention
4) The www (Berners – Scottish)
As Clyde15 points out above all inventors use ideas that went before, they just make the big break through.
Incidentally, Scotland has less than half the population of Buenos Aires...just damn creative I suppose.
@67 Tim Berners-Lee is English.
May 11th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 061 ChrisR (#)
May 11th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 11th, 2012 - 07:28 pm
Thanks for the info.
@68
May 11th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the correction.
Malen - please can you give me just ONE example of how Britain administers the Islands by force? - That is what you claimed,
May 11th, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No please come on here and give an example of that? How does Britain administer us by force?
You are very clearly claiming that Britain administers the Islands against the will of the people that live here and does so by using force to keep us quiet and submissive.
Do please give us at least ONE example?
The last time London hosted the Olympic Games was in 1948, London did not invite to Germany nor Japan to the competition, the defeated powers in World War II. The International Olympic Committee (IOC), the Swedish Sigfrid Edstrom, wrote angrily to Lord Burghley, sixth Marquess of Exeter, and Secretary General of the Organizing Committee for the Games of 48: “I'm surprised at your attitude. The war ended three years ago and us, sports people, should show the way to diplomacy”. London was unmoved. Count Michimasa Soyesima, Japanese IOC member, reminded him that no citizen could leave Japan under the rules of the Occupation. There was also no forgiveness for Germany. Thousands of Nazi soldiers remained in London as prisoners of war. The Duke of Mecklenburg, German member of the IOC, received a resounding NO. It happened 64 years ago. London, which will again host the Olympics from July, says now together with the IOC that “politics should not interfere in the Games.”
May 11th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
May 11th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really have lost grip on reality if you compare these two examples.
44,000 London civilians had been killed by German bombs falling on the city. 40% of the city was destroyed.
This is not to mention the hundreds of thousands of military casualties.
I am sure you can understand that no civilian population on earth would find the forgiveness to invite the nations responsible to their country after just 3 years. Come on!
Argentina still struggles with a tiny conflict that took place 30 years ago.
PS: Do you think those German POW in London would have preferred to have been in Russian hands.
No idea where the website came from, but for some senseless humour at the difficulty of translating from Spanish into English, check out the website “Polideportivo stage Falklands Islands”: http://www.myetymology.com/encyclopedia/Polideportivo_stage_Falklands_Islands.html
May 12th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39. Just another example of Argies trying to appropriate things that aren't theirs. Viveza Criolla is in your makeup. We understand. If you say something, the world will just believe you!
May 12th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 072! only hardcore nazis/ss were held as late as 49 and they were held mostly in the scottish highlands, oh and the reason that germany and japan werent present was more to do with 50 million dead than politics!!!
May 12th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The athletes still carried ration cards. Caught the bus to the venues bringing their sandwiches with them. It was the beginning of the healing process. Germany and Japan were present in Helsinki in 1952. Only 7, I'll say it again, 7 years after the end of the most destructive conflict in human history.
May 12th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@75 gosh, I've been looking for that phrase for ages. I completely forgot it to much frustration.
May 12th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0There should be a medal for Olympic Idiocy:
May 12th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Gold, for CFK
2. Silver, for Alicia Castro
3. Bronze, for Mr. Zilberberg
Philippe
“Its not a lot, admittedly”
May 12th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even less so considering half the list is wrong. Let's go through it, shall we.
“blood transfusion” - First documented blood transfusion in france, Majority of the research and early testing in successful blood transfusions done in Britain. I have no idea how you got the idea that Argentina had anything to do with this.
“AM radio for talk or music, ”
Again, Radio invented by a British person. AM Radio invented by two US citizens.
“fingerprinting” I've heard this one before but have yet to see any evidence on it, care to provide me with a link?
As far as i know the first documented case where fingerprints were used as identification was with the East India company in British controlled India as far back as 1858. Scotland Yard was the first police force to use fingerprinting to solve crimes.
“don't ask for a by-pass heart surgery” - First one preformed in the USA. Favaloro certainly had a great development in the field but hardly invented the operation. Kind of like stating that Michelin invented the wheel.
“don't ask for laser optics eye surgery”
Don't see how Argentina can claim this one, either.
“don't get on a helicopter” - You having a laugh?
“surgical scissors” - Argentina invented scissors, too? lol.
“ban women from wearing gaucho pants to go out at night”
Fair enough, hardly anything special though.
“animated/cartoon show or film ever again” I literally have no idea where you are getting this idea from.
“refuse tamper-proof plastic syringes” Again the question was what Argentina has invented, not developed. History of the syringe goes back to Roman times.
“0no more tango in your dancing with stars shows, no chimichurri sauce, dulce de leche, no cornbeef, no salsa golf”
Hardly anything amazing either.
“and go pack to using feathers and ink for writing. ”
The romans had “pens” that even used nibs and were made out of silve. The first person to manufacture and mass produce the pen was British.
@64 PGH The first coronary artery bypass surgery was performed in the United States on May 2, 1960, at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine-Bronx Municipal Hospital Center by a team led by Dr. Robert Goetz and the thoracic surgeon, Dr. Michael Rohman with the assistance of Dr. Jordan Haller and Dr. Ronald Dee.
May 12th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your example, from the same article, took place in the United States, but not until 1967. In other words, being an argie, Favaloro was an also-ran.
@72 Not like you argies, eh? Still welcoming nazi war criminals through the rat-lines, weren't you? Always worth remembering that the Catholic church (your religion, I presume. If you have one) was a major player in funnelling nazi war criminals through the rat-lines. But thanks for confirming that the thousands of prisoners of war remaining in London (wonder how we accommodated thousands in London when they could have been dispersed across Britain) WERE Nazis. We thought they were just Germans. Now here's an interesting question. What percentage of German and other Axis POWs returned home or decided to ask for residence in the Allied countries where they were imprisoned? And what percentage of British, Commonwealth and Allied POWs returned home? Research well because I already know the answers. For example: 57.5% of Russian POWs held by Germans DIED. 33% of American POWs held by the Japanese DIED. 24.8% of British POWs held by Japanese DIED. Comparison: Only 0.03% of German POWs held by the British died. Only 0.15% of German POWs held by the Americans died. And as a direct comparison 3.5% Of British POWs held by the Germans DIED. That means that over 100 times as many British POWs held by the Germans DIED as German POWs held by the British. Makes you think, eh? Still, we should think ourselves fortunate that the British POWs weren't being held by argies. I doubt any would have survived at all!
“we should think ourselves fortunate that the British POWs weren't being held by argies.”
May 12th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They'd actually have to win a fight to get some POW's.
Thankfully as mentioned by others the problem of POW's wont be a major problem for RG's as snigger, they have to win a battle first.
May 12th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saying that when they surrounded our Royal Marines after the invasion didnt they parade them on TV , against the geneva convention.
Think that was also after popping a grenade into the barrack building where they thought the RM were asleep.
#3 “......I don't like this news. Bring me some other news”
May 12th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all. I'm quite prepared to stare reality in the face and accept bad news sometimes happens in the real world. Like Boris Johnson's Mayoral victory in London. But this isn't news at all, just silly reducto ad Hitlerum propaganda
“I'm quite prepared to stare reality in the face and accept bad news sometimes happens in the real world. Like Boris Johnson's Mayoral victory”
May 12th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How on earth is that bad news? Ken lies on so many occasions it was hilarious.
Back to the subject matter Frau Kirchner The Big Lie “ The Malvinas are Argentine” as Goebels said “say it often enough and people will believe it” All Argies repeat 100 times “the Canary Isles are Moroccan” 100 miles from Morocco.The British had a settlement in the Falklands in 1765 long before Argentina existed,Fact.
May 12th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Propoganda appeals to the lowest in society,it should not be used in sport.
@86
May 12th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please feel sorry for our Argentinian friends. They have allowed themselves to be corrupted. This fact is evident as the country sits in 100th place in the Index of Corrupt nations. They really are a simple folk...
#85 And Boris doesn't? Anyway I think its bad news that London voted in favour of continuing with absurdly high transport fares and a Mayor who openly sucks up to bankers
May 12th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And Boris doesn't? ”
May 13th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not as far as i know. Ken was completely shown up to be a complete idiot when he blamed Boris for fiddling his taxes and Boris simply put his tax history for the world to see. Then it turned out Ken was fiddling his taxes by running all his profits through his wife's company, when he was found out his answer was simply “Everyone does it”.
“Anyway I think its bad news that London voted in favour of continuing with absurdly high transport fares ”
Kens whole “Cheaper fares” was a complete load of rubbish that he did last time. He put the fares down at the start then three months in they were raised.
The fares are going up for the olympics, this is a well known fact taken at the government level, nothing the mayor of london can do about it. ANY fare decrease is a short term prospect. Ken's “bendy” busses was the main reason the fares had to be increased, they were a national disaster.
The difference between them is Boris spoke about reasonable goals that he could possibly achieve.
Both mayors suck up to the bankers, The Banking industry in london is huge, they kinda have to.
Well, we all have to realise that Scottie_Kircherist is an unreconstructed communist of the old Scottish Labour school, now living on benefits which is why he and his commie mates are desperate to keep Scotland in the Union.
May 13th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The polls show that the English have woken up to these grunterrs with their snouts firmly stuck in the trough and costing every man, woman and child £2,000 per year in tax.
We need to get shut of the whole lot of them asap.
I live in Uruguay but still pay taxes in the UK. This pratt needs to be chucked out and sent to Argentina to be near his queen, The Mad Bitch. He would soon realise where he was better off.
84 - The mayoral election in london are nazi propaganda? please explain this???? cant see any comparisons myself.
May 13th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A democratic election of a mayor ????? maybe iam not seeing the warning signs.
Whereas the use of the Olympics by a humiliated country (Germany pre 39) / Argentina - (last 30 years) to gain propaganda is a fact. read the article above it explains all the facts.
@91 -cLOHO.
May 13th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Facts? This would only confuse the Argtards on here. They wouldn't recognise a fact if it danced naked in front of them singing, “we are facts, look at us!”
Just another ignorant who recurs to hitler's times, to try to compare them with the actual argentine government. We are used to heard those idiot comments by the most conservative newspapers which are against c. f. k's administration, but they omit their support to all the dictatorships and coup de etat's that happened in arg., however some times they compare c. f. k' decitions with the nazis or with the last militar junta.
May 13th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway i have a question for you all. Why do the brititsh government, the assembly from the islands, and this journalist make such a fuss for the a simple advert?, what kinf of lack of respect did the sport man commit?, he was just making some gym in the steps of the memorial of the british veterans, if a group of british players run around the argentine cemetery from darwin, they wouldn't be commiting any lack of respect to the argentine veterans who are buried there, beside both nations have right to honour their people in the place where they fought for. Perhaps, the british gov. and the assembly are using that argument because for the first time in years, it's starting to be more difficult for them to continue getting a way with this, and avoid to discuss about the sovereignty. Then, they need to victimize england andthe islanders, with out recognizing that you are not acting correctly either. I dont deny that our country didn't act correctly in some oportunities after the criminal war of 1982, but at the same time, the british gov. and the islanders have always clarified that they are dispossed to dicuss about different issue with arg. but not the sovereignty, thats' not acting correctly either, because they can't ignore that the sovereignty is the main problem which must be discussed.
Regarding the restrictions to some imported products, all the countries protect their industries, especially when the world is in crisis, so, avoid such partial analysis, please, beside arg. is the 2nd country from the g.20 which more increased it's 2011 imp.
“and this journalist make such a fuss for the a simple advert?, what kinf of lack of respect did the sport man commit?,”
May 13th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's against the very concept of sportsmanship. It's against the rules of the Olympics. It's pretty obvious.
@93 Anybody in particular you're talking to, dogsbollocks? Ever tried English, shitebag. There is no doubt that you are an illiterate, ignorant, ignoramus. FO.
May 13th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just go somewhere and die, c***! If you want to do it somewhere useful, do it where we can all gather to s*** on your face.
93 axel arg (#)
May 14th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 13th, 2012 - 04:45 pm
I'm posting this in Spanish so that Axel can understand it without difficulty:
El deporte debe unir a los pueblos. Digamos que, políticamente, debería ser como la diplomacia: el instrumento para el entendimiento y no para la confrontación.
La utilización de un deportista como instrumento en la campaña de recuperación de nuestras Malvinas no me parece para nada razonable, sobre todo en la forma en que se realizó la filmación del spot televisivo aparecido en los medios en estos días. El deporte se maneja con otros códigos que no son precisamente los mismos que usa la política. Las pujas deportivas son frontales, con reglas claras, dentro de un marco establecido donde las malas prácticas son sancionadas y repudiadas cuando son descubiertas.
Nada más alejado de las prácticas y corrupción política, que el deporte bien entendido, donde la caballerosidad y el respeto por el rival circunstancial es el norte que debe regir para todo deportista. En las competencias deportivas se suele jugar fuerte pero, una vez finalizadas, ganadores y perdedores vuelven a ser las personas que siempre fueron. Una competencia no nos cambia como personas, sea cual fuere el resultado. Considero que la estrategia de gobierno, usando un deportista y la confrontación diplomática como herramientas para lograr nuestra justa reivindicación sobre las Islas Malvinas, no es el camino adecuado para lograrlo.
El deporte sirve para formar personalidad, buenos hábitos, buenas personas, no agentes encubiertos. Apoyemos el deporte, tengamos los mejores deportistas, formemos las mejores personas y lograremos los mejores diplomáticos que negociarán como se debe nuestra soberanía largamente reclamada sobre nuestras Malvinas.
Es un deber de los gobiernos generar las condiciones para mejorarnos como sociedad. Para ello se debe promover el deporte como una de las herramientas, volcando los recursos materiales necesarios y estableciendo políticas deportivas eficientes y tra
ZETHE. SIMON68.
May 14th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: I think you made a wrong interpretation of my question, what kind of lack of respect did the sportman commit before the british memorial?, he was just doing some gym. Anyway i respect your opinion, but i dont agree on it, i think that everything is politic, our claim for the islands is part of a politic decition, the policy that helps sportmen to represent our country in international games is part of a politic decition too, so, when some people make such a fuss for a simple advert, what they are doing is just a hipocrite and mediocre analysis. Politic is part of our lives, politic decitions can improve or get worse them. If we have a claim since 179 for the islands, it's because for us, the malvinas are as argentine as any other argentine province, for us, there is not any difference between filming the spot in the islands than in córdoba. For all these reasons i think that politic can't be separated from the olimpic games. Beside, a simple advert won't make us win or loss, that's why i think that what these people are doing is just a redicoulus fuss, but the true reason why they make is very relevant, and i explained it in my last comment.
SIMON: I respect your opinion but i dont agree on it, beside, you didn't need to type your comment in spanish, i understand english perfectly, including when some idiots insult me because they dont agree with my opinions. I want to tell you that i laready read others comments typed by you, for me they were as extremelly partial and shamefull as the comments which were made by others people who type here often. Anyway, in my answer to zethe, you can find what i think about all this question.
At last I can add the final phrase:
May 14th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sparentes.
Ricardo Dougall, DNI 10.532.537 - Neuquén
Thank you Axel.
The very nature of the Olympic games is about being a sporting contest free of all politics and such. What you have done(And worse: That you even believe that it's ok) is not only against the rules of the Olympics but the very nature and of the games. The Olympics are supposed to be about the sport and sportsmanship in itself. It's a celebration of sport, not some forum where Argentina can talk crap to people who don't want to listen.
May 14th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina continues they'll be banned from this years games.
SIMON68. ZETHE.
May 15th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SIMON: why did you type your d. n. i?, beside, i dont understand what you tried to say when you typed sparentes.
ZETHE: I insist, you are making just an unnecesary fusss for a simple advert, that spot won't impide that arg. and the u. k can have a fair play if both teams have to compite, which is the most important. Anyway i respect those people who think like you, but for me is just a very mediocre analysis.
@19 Ernest1972
May 15th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your post. Today I have a little more faith in the Argentinian people, but still none in your government.
This article was written by a man “in his cups” (drunk) I'd guess, but looked like an article your government could also have written.
Heil Argentina !
May 15th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heil Tipsy! we have another film movie from Malvinas....3 more -
May 15th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isnnnnt that the britishhhhhhhhhh are so correct people, that they never, never, but never, mix sports with nothing else but, game, play, competition????
May 15th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never mix it with politics, nor nationalities, confrontation between countries???
www.clarin.com/deportes/aviso-apuesta-polemica-Maradona_0_0700730133.html (google it )
Are you copying creativity, is it of Y&R too??
Apart from all, shows you envy so much the glorious moments our football players gave you in that world cup, remember ....that goals of Maradona unforgettable :))
Perhaps with this adv you can learn to be a little more passionate as fans.
@melon 104. You mean “the hand of god”................
May 17th, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant example. Sportsmanship at its best. (NOT).
Remember that KFC gets her 'sophisticated' political instruction from Mein Kampf
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