MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
UK ‘hunter-killer’ nuclear-powered submarine en route to Falklands, says The Sun
British nuke submarine HMS Talent was dispatched this week end to the Falkland Islands “with Tomahawk warheads” on what could be a warning signal to Argentina, according to UK sensationalist tabloid The Sun. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIs Mercopress sending a subtle message that HMS Talent has a surveillance role, AND that the Sun is accused of telephone hacking? Well, if Talent makes Argentina at all nervous, rest assured it will stay further away from Argentina than the new Brazilian nuke-subs when they get built in a few years.
May 21st, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0note Nuclear Powered..... like the ones Argentina wanted to make.
May 21st, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's good to keep the Argentines nervous. A mild reminder of who they're facing...
May 21st, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
May 21st, 2012 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I can't get enough of these “mild reminders of what we are facing”.
It shows the World and especially all our friends in the Region (including Chile) what type of bully we are facing.
An atomic bully that would do almost anything to steal natural resources from anyone weak or disunite.
Hope this Sun story is true. (for once)
Please send more of that expensive stuff down here.
Is water for our mills, generously donated by the British taxpayer.
Ah Think! You and Timerman both. How sad :-)
May 21st, 2012 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/falklands-being-viewed-as-a-national-entity-complains-timerman/
Hurry up! Why is it taking so long?
May 21st, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great tool for more world support for Argentina's cause!
Thanks PM Camoron!
@4 Bullying? What, like blockading shipping or air routes? That sort of bullying? ... or do you mean sending 10,000 soldiers to take some islands from 2,500 civilians, that sort of bullying?
May 21st, 2012 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 given Argentina's behaviour lately I really don't think the world is going to criticise the UK sending a submarine to protect British people, the UK would also have discussed this with NATO before deploying the ship so that's most western powers already not giving a flying fick about what Argentina says.
HEHEHE, you RG's really are sad little people! As if the Uk would need to use something like this against a pack of weasels like you!! A strong wind would do the trick!
May 21st, 2012 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Think ,Marcos Alejandro and Argentines in general.
May 21st, 2012 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why we have to deploy SSNs like HMS Talent to the Falklands?
Oh wait, I know it's because in 1982, some hostile country, not a million miles from the islands invaded them and forced them to endure a horrible facist occupation!
A occupation that would have ended in the islanders being forcibly deported en masse if HMS Talents predecessors (like HMS Conqueror) had'nt arrived to fight to liberate them.
I think this could be the same country that keeps on claiming that it wants to annex/occupy the Falklands to this day and keeps on trying to humiliate/isolate and pressurise the Falklanders to surrender and learn spanish or leave the islands.
It may be to deter that country from having another go at invasion or stage some sort of military stunt in the area, so that it gets the message that we are'nt messing about when we say that we will defend the Falklanders.
Anyway -we can send ships anywhere we damn well like, we have the freedom of the high seas. Get over it.
bloody pirates!!! Go home!!!
May 21st, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 010: Pirates who used to attack spanish ships leaving south america with stolen gold?
May 21st, 2012 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Reich will love this, but nobody listens...its only one sub what you scared of??? RG Naval fleet of tubs still out numbers the Royal Navy in the area which has Dauntless an Island Class Patrol Ship and now a sub.
May 21st, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the might RG navy is not scared. The only plus point for the Reich is they can spout the propaganda.
We are a poor third world country, the evil imperialist are bring weapons of mass destruction to SA etc etc
The world doesnt listen because
1/ Its not a weapon of mass destruction
2/ Its Nuclear powered NOT a Nuclear weapon , the same way a Nuclear Power Station is not a Strategic Nuclear Weapon.
3/ Its only 1 little sub, whats to be scared of
It's a gentle reminder the UK can impose its will on Argentina anytime it wishes.
May 21st, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for bullying, only an Argentine would suggest such a thing, nobody who is sane would suggest such a thing given Argentina's continued harassment of 3,000 islanders. In fact the more Argentina harasses the islanders the easier it make it for the UK to deploy additional armed forces to the area.
It doesn't matter anyway these are UK waters and the UK will move any military hardware/personnel there it wishes and there is zero Argentina can do about it.
You reap what you sow.
@ 10 Puerto Idiotio
May 21st, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arrr!
WE'S BE PIRATES ANDS WE AVES YE ISLANDS HAHAHAHAHAHAH
AND THEE AND YE YELLA BELLY BILDGE RAT AAAARRRRRGGGEEEEES ARE T' WET TO COME GE' EM!!
Funny enough, i believe the Royal Navy allow only one type of vessel to fly the skull and crossbones, and that be them there subs :-)
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/howto.html
The sub is a response to Argentine behaviour. Britain has done nothing wrong and this is merely protection against increasingly psychotic behaviour. Every country in the world would seek to reassure its citizens if threatened by other nations with a penchant for nationalistic behaviour. Argentina behave and leave our people in peace.
May 21st, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Think' this was leaked on purpose (am i stating the obvious) must be on the back of some intel report that the Reich are going to play a little stunt
May 21st, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0over the Olympic games or possibly Golden Jubilee, my money is on the first. RG Trolls are busy on the SUN website comments page, so please feel free to comment (man i feel like Maximo giving his Trolls a briefing over a donut)
did the Sun go with ...'Falklands Got Talent' ? ... if they didn't, they should of! Lmao
May 21st, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0It had to be leaked on purpose. There's no point in sending a deterrent if the nation it is intended to deter is too unsophisticated to even detect that it is there.
May 21st, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's the Sun, that should say it all.
May 21st, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, people should note it's standard practice for officials never to confirm or deny any of the locations of their SSN/SSBN fleet.
Overall, i'm highly skeptical.
@14
May 21st, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you really wanted to talk like a pirate, you should learn Somali! ;-)
Arrrrr!
It's not quite on a par with “Freddie Star ate my hampster” as a headline(which sums up the standard of journalism that the Sun provides).
May 21st, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't be surprised if they are making it up.
I also wouldn't be surprised if they've assumed something from inadequate information.
Neither would I be surprised if it was deliberately leaked.
I think that my favourite version of the supposed events would be that it was deliberately leaked that Talent was heading to the Falkland Islands in order to provoke the usual Twitterman over reaction, at which point Talent sails in full view of everyone into Little Creek or San Diego for a port visit.
How many cries of wolf do Argentina think they get?
Hey Timerman,
May 21st, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you want ALL colonies gone by 2015?
So when are you going to return Patagonia to the native Amerindians?
Oh you thought that only applied to the Brits & not to you?
No, no señor, it applies to Argentina also!
Not such a good idea now, is it?
What business is it of yours anyway? sticking your nose in where its not wanted.
Think, you'd better see to your garden. Your turnips are going to seed.
Our submarine
Our lslands
lnternational waters
You, too, mind your own business.
Parsnip.
@4 Think
May 21st, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you try to take something that isn't yours and the owner says no, it doesn't mean you are being bullied.
A British non nuclear armed submarine heading to a British overseas territory.
May 21st, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0whats the problem? the question Argenswines should be asking themselves is why do we need to take these measures.
Ding! Ding! Round 2
It doesn't really matter whether Talent or Dauntless or any other vessel of hardware is in the territorial waters of the Falklands or not.
May 21st, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just the very suggestion of the possibility of these deployments is sufficient for Argies to have brown trousers (matching their nice brown shirts).
In other words, the thought of a naval presence is enough to put them off doing anything (and I mean anything) more than rattling their pirates's sabres.
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May 21st, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, this is the best way to keep the peace in the South Atlantic.
May 21st, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
26 - I think the RG Navy has enough Crap
May 21st, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0If its not a worry to the RG's why the huge troll response. They nkow know there silly stunt they were planning has been rumbled.
jajajajajajaja
We all know your need of rattling originates from the fact that God only equipped you with 4 inches. We do understand you (especially your women) at times though... So keep on rattling, buy big cars and do all you feel you need to in order to get rid of your complex :)
May 21st, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rattle Rattle
I'm pretty sure that the facts about this Trafalgar class SSN will be quoted incorrectly around the world. Although this is a nuclear POWERED sub it is very different in it's role to the Vanguard SSBN.
May 21st, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trafalgar = a 280 feet long sub carrying Tomahawk cruise missles and very likely to be there to protect HMS Dauntless in an anti-shipping role, or as said surveillance.
Vanguard - nearly 500 feet long! carrying Trident thermonuclear warheads and really of no use in protecting the interests of the Falkland community against any aggression. Certainly their location is never known. Wrong tool for the job - 'a sledgehammer to crack a nut'
I'm sure these fact will be glossed over and it probably won't be long before the media and the Argentine gov says that there are nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic.
By why let FACTS get in the way...
Send HMS Vanguard, HMS Rearguard and all the PMS's you can find, please give us something to laugh about, winter is coming and it's pretty dull :)
May 21st, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0And cold as well
May 21st, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, well, The sun ran the story..........so it must be true......... Right?
May 21st, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean The Sun has NEVER mis rreported or made up a story has it?
Nuff said.
@31 we don't need to send much to protect the people of the Falklands to avoid the possiblity of a repeat of 1982.
May 21st, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 yes, with a possible shortage of LNG it could feel a lot colder in BA
29 - You seem a little to interested in the size of a countries genitals. Then making up pet names for HMS Vanguard, HMS Rearguard.
May 21st, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freud would have a field day with you.
Shout downstairs and ask your mum to let you out of your closet, Put your freddie Mercury cd on and be free, in this day and age to be afraid or embarrassed to like men. Its cool baby...
Now stop projecting your sexuality onto submarines its just plain odd.
Sorry Cloho, I didn't realize you weren't prepared for truths, I'll do better next time :)
May 21st, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has my sexuality to do with anything? You want me to be a Freddie, don't you? You'd love that.... I'm sorry to dissapoint you, keep searching :)
erm the fact that your only input to a discussion is to say that our country has 4 inch genitals.
May 21st, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didnt mention mens genitals you did, your obsessed with British men or just men. But hey dont get upset or defensive its cool , its all cool what you do in your private life is up to you.
I do like Freddy Mercury actually, We are the Champions is my favourite, whats your favourite???
I was only trying to find a natural explaination as to why you have this need of rattling with guns, and feeling inferior as humans could have a lot to do with it, don't you think? I know you will never agree to that, but we all know better :)
May 21st, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't listen to Mercuty, but still, if you want to find a man for companion in your life journey, this is not the place... Don't take it wrong, I have nothing against it, as a matter of fact, we could legally arrange your wedding in Uruguay, should you find one...
The nuclear powered submarine is just the ticket for those who talk peace but bully and intimidate the Falkland Islanders.
May 21st, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At some stage the SSB already on station in the area, is going to need to be relieved, so the SUN story is probably legit, it was more than likely leaked. The beauty of these type of vessles is that the slightest suspicion that they are in the area is in itself a deterent.
May 21st, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 - If you could find me someone like you, the way your razor sharp mind debates on this forum by mentioning the length of genitals is up there with a Churchill or Kennedy speech
May 21st, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine gov't have a firm hypothesis: either Talent is somewhere near the Falklands, or it's somewhere else.
May 21st, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once more, the UK authorities on the illegal side of the world rules.
May 21st, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The presence of these submarines is PROHIBITED according to SouthArmerican norms. No Latinamerican country wants this military presence in here.
The level of impunity is really A - MA - ZING
41
May 21st, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then bloody stop rattling with guns, or continue making fools out of yourselves... I'm no politician, I'm not tied to the political correctness, but will mock your integrity as long as your government mocks my freedom
43: You're a moron, what about a submarine is exactly prohibited under your tinpot countries joke rules? There are submarines in South America too, are you afraid we'll get too near and see what rust buckets they are?
May 21st, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These boats are really some piece of kit, when I think of submarines, I get a mental picture of the Captain looking through the periscope at a ship in the distance. All those movies I suppose. Apparently they can identify a specific ship from over a 100 miles away by listening to its acoustic signature, the noise their screws make in the water. Each signature is as unique to a ship as a fingerprint is to a human. Fantastic technology when you think of it.
May 21st, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 046
May 21st, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, they could probably take down an entire family without then even noticing what hit them...
We don't care how much metal you send here (to SA), it only serves us for the world to see who is right on this matter.
And should it come to it, you will not be fighting military, but an entire population, and history has proven that you can win the battle, but you will most surely loose the war...
47: Uhm, history showed we gave you a whooping.
May 21st, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 048
May 21st, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, Boovis, you gave a fascist regime a whooping, a regime who sent everybodys sons except their own to fight a meaningless war.
For all I care, it was all organized by both of you to ensure your military presence in the area, and the ones that paid the price were the young men that fought someone elses war...
Who is talking about fighting a battle or a war. I was simply trying to point out what technology is capable of in this day and age.
May 21st, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 050: and the world trade centre was an inside job and there are aliens in roswell and all the politicians are lizards, what's spanish for “crackpot”?
May 21st, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason it was a meaningless war was because you lost it, if you'd won you'd still have the islands and be praising galtieri's fascist bones.
My mistake, the submarines and warships are built to plow fields, sorry...
May 21st, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 PROHIBITED in International waters???
May 21st, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 46 The World remembers the FACTS of 1982 - your government at the time was in the wrong by mounting armed agression whatever the reasons.
No, they are weapons, weapons used to defend the rights of a people to exist in their own land in the way they chose to live it. They are weapons that will only be used if someone tries to usurp those right, In the same way they were used in 1982, in defence and against an aggressor.
May 21st, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not my government, I'm Uruguayan, but we experienced the same as Argentina; a military dictatorship (by definition NOT elected by the people) and therefor not representative for either Uruguay nor Argentina, doesn't matter how much you would like to blaim them...
May 21st, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not know about anyone else on these pages, but I am not seeking to blame anyone for the events of thirty years ago. However, my primary concern is that those events do not repeat themselfs. If that means keeping a garrison in the Falkland Islands and deploying state of the art naval assets in the region, then so be it. It has my full support.
May 21st, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of SA nations armies are a joke, a fact we take great pride in, and a fact you are very aware of, so don't lie to yourself saying your military presence in the Malvinas are to prevent anything, horses and wagons would be enough to prevent an Argentinian invasion, heck, a STOP-sign would do the trick...
May 21st, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not lying to myself. The military presence in the Falklandsis purely defensive. You may hold the opinion that there is no threat to them, I however take the opposite position. My honest conviction is, that if UK forces were not there, Argentina would attack again at the very first opporunity.
May 21st, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 058
May 21st, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so stupid, you don't think Argentina knows UK will hit with full force, should they attack after UK military left the islands?
Whole SA knows why you are there, as we know why USA is in Colombia, that's why we are united in our claims, no matter how much you try to play us against eachother.
The Falkland Islanders choose to be British, thirty years ago they chose to be British. A foreign nation used force of arms to alter that choice a war ensued. Their freedom of choice was restored. It is really a matter of continuing to ensure that freedom of choice. That means stationing the necessary forces there to do it. It really is that simple. There is no underlying reason.
May 21st, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Guzz
May 21st, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had thought you had got control of this rediculous anti-Brit 'sabre rattling' crap. You really do look like an Argie Malvanista and not a Uruguayo that you say you are.
It is the Argies who continually make themselves look foolish with their constant agressive rants, do you not see that?
There are no Malvinas, only the Falklands with 3,000 peaceful people on them who were attacked in 1982 by the Argies. These are facts.
Please stop making youself look like a complete cnut. You are an embarrassment to Uruguay.
ChrisR
May 21st, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is nothing but sabre-rattling and self-tapping.
Argentina has not threaten to invade the Malvinas (the spanish name for the Falklands). The ones that invaded the islands 1982 where a fascist military dictatorship that did NOT represent the Argentinian people. On the contrary, they want a dialogue with the brits regarding the islands, something the brits refuse to referring to the Argentinians not wanting to discuss the sovereignity.
My country does support Argentina in their claims and so does our President, if you think that is an embarrassment, mayhap you are living in the wrong country... Move to Colombia, they will probably agree with you...
61 ChrisR (#)
May 21st, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 21st, 2012 - 05:16 pm
Anyone can see that Guzz doesn't have “dos dedos de frente” if he can't understand that Argentina would take the military path if she were able to. The “peace in our time” charade is totally meaningless. Kretina is as agressive as the military junta and has the same far right politics, and the poor Uruguayo Guzz can't see it. He thinks the Kretina is a socialist, what is socialist about stealing US$70.000.000 from your compatriots while more than 30% of them live below poverty levels!!!
70 million USD from the “poor” argentinians? jajajajajaja
May 21st, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is true and the money is spent on the proper poor argentinians, Cristina is doing the right thing. If she is filling her own pockets, she's not better (or worse) than you lot. I don't defend Argentina from my door inside, but outside there are far worse cretins than Argentina. Before I attack her, or even listen to the poor, badly treaten rich “1st worlds” laments, there are quite a few to start with...
im from britian / uk and even i know we are silly for sending in our sub at end of day. this could cause another war if the argentinians feel threatened the will attack? 1 sub against all there weapons ? i think not . let the argentinians talk all there rubbish we know its all talk because if they do start a war they know they will lose lol but sending one our best subs to argentina is stupid because if it does cause another war we will lose one our best subs at beging one sub cant fight of a whole island full of weapons on its own ? if anything we should of sent one of our lower standard subs
May 21st, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has consistently demonstrated that she can not be trusted, that anything she puts her signature to is not worth the paper it is written on. She is coniving and dishonest. She is not the kind of a leader that anyone could take assurances from. Least of all, assurances of non aggression.
May 21st, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 064 Guzz (#)
May 21st, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 21st, 2012 - 05:33 pm
She is filling her own pockets, and she is definetly worse the “us lot”, I happen to be a pensioner who has worked honestly for 50 years without stealing a cent. You pride yourself on being the child of Tupamaros, therefore you should have a certain sympathy with the poor even in other countries, but you seem to support this woman who only feathers her own nest at the expense of her own people, flor de Tupamaro sos vos.
Like I told you, I don't defend Cristina, should your claims be right, but I don't know any poor folks in possesion of 70M USD, and all numbers indicates that Cristinas government has reduced poverty by a lot. Now, should I trust you, or the official numbers and indications from every single independent source?
May 21st, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 unkown - (unknown) from britian (Britain)
May 21st, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz/Think/MurkyThink/MistyThink/Max
This is extremely simple:
May 21st, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falkland Islanders choose to remain a British Overseas Territory then the British Government will support that choice with it's full military and political power.
If the Falkland Islanders choose full independence then the British Government will support it with it's full military and political power.
If the Falkland Islanders choose to be governed as part of Argentina then the British Government will support it with it's full military and political power.
It is called self-determination.
There has NEVER been an Argentine civilian population on the Falklands. NEVER. There has been a French, a British, a Spanish, an independent and a British again...multiple military presence from numerous countries, but no Argentine civilian population...
So, no displaced indigenous population...therefore the present population hold ll the cards....what do they want?
UK ‘hunter-killer’ nuclear-powered submarine en route to Falklands,
May 21st, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton reported this last week
No he didn’t
Yes he did
No he didn’t
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Walls have ears .lol
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@67 Simon re Guzz's- 'Cristina is doing the right thing'
May 21st, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 2009 a wealthy Venezuelan working for the Chavez's government was caught with a suitcase full of cash in Miami and was sentenced to 4 years in a US prison for illegally importing money. Testimony in the two-month trial raised allegations that the suitcase was part of a larger gift of about $5 million dollars from Chavez for CFK's political campaign.
Don't forget the other 10 that have been there for the last 6 months
May 21st, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 072
May 21st, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would money from Venezuela to Argentina go through Miami? Don't spread lies :)
@74
May 21st, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was for CFK not for Argentina!
Of course, and she resides in Miami... Don't be a fool :)
May 21st, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you honestly think she keeps her US$ in Argentina ?
May 21st, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I think she keeps it in Miami :) :) :) :)
May 21st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even more now that she has had to take all her savings out of Uruguay!
May 21st, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahaha, you poor, confused little man :) :) :)
May 21st, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 044- Threatens your freedom your on drugs. Sending one submarine to defend OUR islands from government keen to foster popularist propaganda. Its serves the purpose of distraction of population from the economic problems and her feathering of her own nest as someone else put it. Its been going on for year.
May 21st, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So sabre rattling isnt banning british and falklands flagged vessels from docking, changing the constitution to claim the islands, threatening legal action against british companies and oil companies linked with the falklands, threatening to cut an air link to the islands, filming an illegal propaganda film claiming the soil of the falklands, telling fishermen to fish immature squid before it reaches the islands to damage the fishing industry. This has all been done within the last year!!! so how pray tell have the UK been the agressor in all of this, apart from giving the RG's a spanking back in 82 after the illegal invasion, interesting that the RG's were going to move the resident falklanders off the islands, leaving it free for RG colonists.
SO HOW IS UK SABRE RATTLING BY SENDING ONE SUBMARINE TO PATROL INTERNATIONAL WATERS?
tell me what we have done ????? apart from sending the mighty Prince William and his deadly search & rescue helicopter
@80
May 21st, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, the only thing that confuses me is your obsession with size that always comes out when you have nothing else to say. You feel that by trying to belittle people will win the argument for yourself.
82 - I think he may have a few 'ISSUES' with life. He was talking about the size of mens weeners earlier!!!!
May 21st, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz - If you were indeed a Uruguayan, you'd know that the vast majority of our population was against both the dictatorship and the terrorist Tupamaros who had cowardly attacked the democratic gov't years earlier. (The Tupamaros never actually fought the dictatorship). In Argentina, however, on the day of the invasion of the Falklands, 99% of the people were mindlessly jumping up and down in the streets, chanting “el que no salta es un inglés”. I know, I was there. These people only turned against the Argentine dictatorship when Galtieri lost the war. Argentina has no democratic traditions, the voters are gullible and unsophisticated, and most have a hankering for Fascism. A true Uruguayan in 2012 will never take the Argentine side (unless he's being paid to do so). If you'd been in Uruguay in 1982, you'd remember that the immense was on the side of the British, or should I say, against Argentina. I don't see anything different this time round - even the gov't is getting sick and tired of Argentine pranks.
May 21st, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 084
May 21st, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am aware of the fact that many uruguayans disagree in the methods used by the tupamaros, but still, what you state is incorrect, as the vast majority of the uruguayans elected Pepe Mujica, a Tupamaro leader, for their President.
The only reason the Tupamaros didn't fight openly was because the 9 rehenes where to be killed had they continued their actions (ask Antonio Mas Mas if he didn't fight). Of course all where against Argentina in the invasion, I would still never defend that act of lunacy, but that doesn't mean I, and our government, still defend Argentinas claims.
You say 99% of the Argentines were happy about Galtieris invasion, because you were there... I take it you were all over Argentina, because 99% of the population is a LOT :)
85 - I reckon its more like 100% i was there and i was all over Argentina
May 21st, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't grab facts out of thin air because “you were there”, I know quite a few Argentinians who also “were there”, and they all disagreed on the fascist juntas invasion. Proove your facts, or stop spreading lies
May 21st, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 - Only if you stop
May 21st, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So just to clarify would you support another Argentine Invasion if it happened tommorow????
Your telling me that it wouldn't be hugely popular in Argentina???
I think if Kircher had the military to launch it, and did, she would be the toast of RG land.
Iam sure not 99 percent of germans didnt support the nazi invasions in europe, but a hell of a large percentage did. Likewise with Argentina a large percentage did support it, that why is still such a huge issue in Argentina.
I was not there, but if the film footage of the celebrations taking place in BA is anything to go by, a lot of people were ecstatic at the news. They looked like they were celebrating a world cup victory. Was BA not representative of public reaction to the invasion in the rest of the country?
May 21st, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe in invasions, and I do have a natural mistrust against militaries, our own as well as foreigner ones. So no, I would never support an invasion. As a matter of fact, even if I support Argentinian claims, I don't really care who “owns” the islands op the papers. Only thing I do care about, is british weaponry gathering outside our homes, as I disagree with USA and their 7 military bases in Colombia “to prevent narco traffic”.
May 21st, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, you are welcome to spread lies, as you kindly admitted to have been doing, but don't expect us to believe you in the process :)
how is UK weapons gathering outside your homes???
May 21st, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a sub in international waters, hardly on your doorstep it, and its protecting the islands from RG agression.
Before the Invasion in 82 a small garrison of 30 marines were on the islands, no guardships? After the invasion 2 guardships and a sub for the last thirty years, if anything the forces have reduced.
Hardly a mighty fleet, one destroyer and one coastal patrol craft come on!!!!!
And finally Guzz we all know on this site who spreads lies because some of us are educated and know a little about the world outside SA unlike yourself. Simple very basic research can paint the picture, and iam afraid its not the way you tell it and the rest of the paid trolls. I very much doubt your not and Argentine Troll as its a common ploy to try to show SA solidarity, which as we know from the last Kircher conference when every invited foreign dignitary failed to turn up.
The Royal Navy is used to protect our citizens, every country has the right to defend its people.
Defend your people? Half of the population on the islands are military and you bloody keep the islanders blood dependant from a nation 12000 kilometres from there. You guys make the nazis proud...
May 21st, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You guys make the nazis proud.” Guzz man. what planet are you living on???????
May 21st, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This one is called earth, try coming back down to it. I have heard some rubbish said about the Brits in my time, but comparing them with the nazis, that has got to be the grandaddy of them all.
What is your latest gem? blood proud what is that suppose to mean?
Why do I feel I am going to regret asking that question!!!!!!!
guzz how can you slag of britian ? lol its 1 submarine just to make sure that argentinans dont try invade ? jesus get over your self . the reason your moaning about the sub being there because if you try to invade it will hold you of until our forces get there ? well saying that 1 sub wont hold of a whole country for long but jesus its a sub no need be moaning over it. if a war starts then it starts i dont belive we britians/ uk should of sent a sub anyways as it can be misinterpeted if they thing were going to attack now just wait and see how the situation pans out if a war starts then it gets delt with if it dont then good.
May 21st, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 Guzz
May 21st, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are losing it now with these silly, childish rants that are devoid of reality.
'Half the population ..are military..and keep islanders blood dependant from a nation 12000 kn from there'
There is a small garrison of some 1250 or so including servicing personnel and four Tyhoon aircraft. And why are they there? Your Argie mates invaded in 1982 against 40 marines, That was a brave act was it not - and you support this.
Not to defend the islands (BTW Malvinas is NOT Spanish for the Falklands) from these cowardly acts would be extremely foolish and ANY UK Government who sold the islanders out would suffer an immediate vote of no confidence in the UK Parliament and be out of power.
Britains will NEVER be browbeaten by any nation, expecially one made up of gangsters, thieves and the rejects of Europe which is what Argentina is today. Facism failed in the 1930s / 40s but some people never learn: it will fail again, now in Argentina.
You all wasted your spare times writing these worthless comments...
May 21st, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK has no any nuclear weapons and their tools techs/means.
ChrisR
May 21st, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had read my posts, you would have noticed that I never defended the non-elected fascist regime in its foolish attempt to invade the islands. An act as little brave as the UK/US “war on terror” (war for resources).
And the Falkland Islands are called las Islas Malvinas in spanish, regardless you liking it or not...
Dear Guzz
May 21st, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. You're not Uruguayan, I'm sure. Or if you are, you're writing from the Pinheiro del Campo institution for the demented.
2. You're incredibly childish.
3. I hope you have severe diarrhea tonight, so your arse looks like your mouth.
“War on terror.” Which according to you GUZZ, started when the Americans murdered 3000 of their own people, by staging the 9/11 attacks as the justification for the war. That is your theory, is it not?
May 21st, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is different to claiming Malvinas IS the Spenish name for the Falklands.
May 21st, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands (there are no Malvinas) were named after a Scottish noble who came from Falkland in Scotland.
Malinas is a corruption of the original French name for them.
Not the same at all, whether you like it or not.
@94 - Unknown. I don't know where you hail from in the world but I've never heard of Britian, is it eastern European? Just kidding. Please learn how to spell the name of the country you claim you come from. BRITAIN.
May 21st, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the reason the Argie trolls like Guzz (he pretends to be Uruguayan as he's embarrassed to admit he's an Argentinian), are worried about 1 nuclear powered sub, is because they ate all scared sh!tless of it. In 1982 one RN submarine sank 1 Argentine ship, and the rest of the Argentine navy ran back to port and didn't come out to play for the rest of the war.
They try to tell the world that Britain is militarising the South Atlantic, a bold statement which has every nation in the world sniggering at them, because these claims are absurd.
So in order to deter the entire Argentine armed forces (and if you believe the trolls the whole of South America - which are on their side - honest!) takes 1 destroyer, 4 fighter aircraft, approx 1,000 military personnel, and the possibility that there might be a submarine in the area.
They want the British to remove these deterrents so they can just walk into the Falklands and take over. Unfortunately for the government of Argentina the British aren't as stupid as the average Argentine voter and don't fall for their 'cunning' plans.
ynsere
May 21st, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You claim to be Uruguayan yourself... tell me then, what is “lista 609”? :)
leprecon i always get the spelling of britian wrong i dont know why lol that why i usally say the uk ? but yes im in the uk born in staffordshire in stafford :)
May 21st, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't worry, Unknown, they have this thing of trying to tell people where they are from....
May 21st, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey ynsere, google will not help you on my question :) I know you'd give your right leg to be Uruguayan, but actually, it's much more simple than that, we are a country of immigrants and you only have to move here and apply for citizenship. It might take a while, but after the paperwork you can truly call yourself a proud Uruguayan :)
@102 Nice to see you posting on these again, trying to produce an argument saying that the rest of the world supports Argentina. Well I hate to tell you, that it's probably the exact opposite. Also I don't understand why you feel threatened by a nuclear sub outside 'your' home at sea, because we will only nuke the crap out of Argentina, unless you stupidly try to get involved in it.
May 21st, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also we have the right to have subs in international waters near the Falklands since we're a permanent member of the UN Security Council :).
Finally I'd like to point out that no-one will ever listen to Argentina because their government are scum, and a lot of the population are really, really mentally handicapped in a way for believing all of the rubbish that's in their constitution about the Falklands.
Theman
May 21st, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've already posted you guys links where practically all SA countries (except Colombia) back Argentina in her claims, I wont even bother to do it again, but I tell you what, Italy also supports Argentina, check it out:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/05/15/italian-lawmakers-support-a-more-relevant-role-for-argentina-in-the-malvinas-dispute
Guzz
May 21st, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should read your link very carefully, it doesn't mention anything about Italy supporting Argentina's claims for the FALKLANDS.
:):):):):):) :p
You are right, it actually says that they back Britain and you treaty of Lissabon :)
May 21st, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0try this one
http://www.ntn24.com/news/news/latin-america-backs-argentina-12097
90 Guzz
May 21st, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allow me
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I do have a natural mistrust against militaries, our own as well as foreigner ones,
Interesting,
Most people have a fear of enemy’s that have threatened or invaded them,
[Who then has threatened or invaded Argentina in the last 150 years]]
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Only thing I do care about, is British weaponry gathering outside our homes,
[again interesting]
How many of the following have gathered outside of your home]
Ships , planes , soldiers , tanks , police , government officials , ]
Name them and what nationality please ]
[Out of historical interest]
Great Britain has done nothing more or less that she has done for the last 500 years, without complaint,]
Is this not true.
Actually, you are welcome to spread lies
[who then is lying about the above statement ??]
92 Guzz
You guys make the nazis proud
[that is a direct insult to every decent innocent men , women , and children and babies,] that have died at the hands of Germany and Japan.
For a country that throws NUNs out of helicopters, that is a disgraceful statement .
.
Briton
May 21st, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You insult the innocent dead ones, with your “war on terror”, with your invasive nature, with your arrogance. You bring troops to the south atlantic, and the nationality is british (english?)
You do make the nazis proud, for all your atrocities were made by an elected government, in contrary to the Argentinians (I'm STILL Uruguayan), who suffered a non-elected fascist junta that commited the crimes. Now, the Argentines have put the guilty ones behind bars while your very own Tony Blair is making millions. So until you bring justice and put your criminals where they belong, the nazis are clapping their hands at your actions...
@108 - Guzz. Latin America backing Argentina? When did they do that? At the OAS summit? Nope, no backing there.
May 21st, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South American nations will quite happily spout a few nonsensical murmurs to pacify Argentina's hysterical President (if only to get 5 minutes peace), but verbal support by the odd politician in a million miles away from actual support.
Not only that but Argentina's government has been going out of it's way to p!ss off Uruguay, Brazil, Chile and Columbia. Why should these countries support Argentina when Argentina is tryin g to rob them blind?
However, Guzz, it's gratifying to know that you will all be wetting your beds 'cos the big bad submarine may be lurking under the surface in International waters somewhere in the world.
But all this aggressive nonsense by Argentina will be soon forgotten when their economy collapses, and they relies their (your) President has legged it with all the dosh. Never mind, you can always burn pesos to keep warm this winter.
you speak utter rubbish,
May 21st, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Politics is politics,
Murder is murder.
And your statement still insults the dead, despite your denial,
We suggest you tell them that when you get their,
And your anti British rants
Greets no man but the foolish .
That's what you call murder when commited by brits? Politics?
May 21st, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly you are just anti british and indocrinated,
May 21st, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0britain did this , britain did that ,
PROVE that a british primeminister has commited murder or go home and wallow in disgrace .
Iraq, illegal war, every dead by british guns is a murder
May 21st, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0prove it,
May 21st, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0was britain alone
was britain the only country
did britain do everything,
just anti british indocrination, and you know it,
the truth is, you cannot prove mr blair commited any crime by himself .
full stop
Guzz the fake Uruguayan
May 21st, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is this 'Falkland Islanders are blood dependent' thing you keep going on about? I live in the Falklands and we don't even get milk delivered to the door. Silly man, is this going to be one of those 'Argentine true facts about our British neighbours'.
Doesn't matter if they were alone, they are still murderers, and Tony Blair is main responsible as the PM of the countrry sending the troops, case closed
May 21st, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yep case closed, and brits dressed up as argies soldiers in the first iraq war did they,
May 21st, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lies will get you knowhere .
First Iragi war was not illegal, was it?
May 21st, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@118 - Guzz. Case not closed. You need proof, your beliefs are not proof. Innocent until proven guilty Guzz, not the other way around.
May 21st, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, only the Iraqis can decide if this was illegal or not, and they don't think it was. They were quite happy to get rid of Saddam. Then they invited the US and UK forces to stay. Case closed. Ndon't let the door hit your a*se on the way out.
However. What do you call people who throw nuns, students and political activists out of helicopters Guzz?
So now we get to what is illegal and what is legal,
May 21st, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That’s interesting, changing the subject,
Was argentines invasion of the Falklands illegal or legal then,
And who is responsible for the innocent deaths,
We suppose you blame Britain for this as well.
.
No, my little warmonkey, the international community decides if the war is legal or not, and they did NOT approve. Furthermore, your government lied to their own people in order to justify their sacking of Iraq, making it not only illegal, but also a disgrace.
May 21st, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I call them fascist, non-elected, and behind bars for their crimes.
honoria, I'm as much a fake uruguayan as you are a fake islander...
and now the insults arrive,
May 21st, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0typicle
you cant win, so you insult, we do not wish to give you credence to insults,by replying to you , now, people may think we axcept your insults and we do not .
end of.
Another proof of your arrogance, it's ok to insult me, but I'm not allowed to insult back :)
May 21st, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's like the Argentinian embassabor in England, you say she doesn't follow common diplomacy rules when addressing Hague, after you spat on international regulations and invaded a country illegally :)
By the way, my last post was a reply to the leproso, not to you...
End of :)
I still want to know what this blood dependent thing is. And how come, dear Guzz, you know about it and I don't?
May 21st, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#120 Guzz
May 21st, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first Iraqui war was an illegal invasion of Kuwait by Iraq in 1990
The un and all the Arab nations sanctioned expulsion of the invaders.
The coalition stopped or subesequently retreated to international boundaries.
If truth be told the coalition should have marched on to Baghdad and ended it before millions got killed.
If you fight a war wage it “with all the rage and muster you can”
Apologies as I cannot remember which US President said that
127
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed, i never stated that Iraq invaded Kuwait legally, all I said was that the 1st war on Iraq was legal (or not illegal)...
honoria, simple maths, with a population of 3000 people, you need fresh blood in order not to inbreed... How many fertile women are there of those 3000? how many young ones? how many leave for britain for studies? How many return? It's not impossible to avoid inbreed with 3000 people, but in order to do that, you need to choose your mates wisely, and couples will have to choose eachother out of need and not out of love. Iceland faces similar issues after several generations and they are quite a few more than 3000... Hence, you are blood dependant
Argentina can only be scared of the brit submarine if they plan to invade the Falklands. It is only a threat to an invading force, and how UK is suddenly militarising the area when the same forces have been there for 25 years, shows how ignorant the Argentines are. There is no extra militarisation, but there will be when Argentina cannot resist the urge to invade again.
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, for your info - plenty of new people arriving in the Islands, settleing and inernarrying etc! people fro UK - St Helena- Chile etc and Islanders who go away to study almost 100% return - not all as soon as qualified - best if they also get hands-on exeperience as well - so often they return a few years later with a wife/husband. The Islands and Islanders are a growing population of outward looking progressive people.
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do not depend on UK for anything - only for defence and as we are british territory by our own free choice - it comes automatic. We have been financially self sufficient for over 130 years - no foreign debts!
What a lot of silly irrelvant drivel from you,Think,Marcos and others over one submarine! This one is most likley now on its way back to UK at the end of its time nearby. Since 1982 I expect every (non ICBM) submarine in the Royal Navy has been down here several times - they are not uncommon! Just that most of the time nobody knows for sure if there are 1 - or 2 or none - here!
If you believe the “Sun” - well you will believe any rubbish!!
We (UK) did the same thing in the 1970's Argentina backed off and looked what happened in 1982 The Falklands Conflict and the sinking of the Belgrano!! Argentina does this tell you something! Like think again you never know where she(HMS Talent) is going to turn up You have been warned!
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, the fake Uruguayan
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lista 609 is Lucía Topolansky, I think. However, as I'm not a Frente Amplio supporter I haven't paid much notice to that party's internal elections held this long weekend. BTW, Carlos Gardel was born in Tacuarembó. And the murder of an employee of La Pasiva, opposite the Crandon School, crossing 8 de Octubre and Garibaldi, has caused Topolanski's husband to tell more of his lies. And Ramírez wants the military in the streets, fighting crime. Remember Ramírez? You've no idea who he is, or who he accused of stealing some years ago.
I'm Uruguayan all right, thank God. You're not. Hope you're paid punctually, because Argentine currency is worth less by the day.
@guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if the Iraq war was illegal (I see this war as being an unnecessary diversion of resources when we should have concentrated on Al-Qaeda and Afghanistan. We should have finished Saddam in 1991),
Even if they arrested Tony Blair (good riddance - this man was one of the authors of our current economic situation and flooded the country with immigrants in order to change the national demographic in the Labour parties favour, thinking that the newcomers would be inclined to vote Labour.)
How would that advance your claim to the Falklands?
It would'nt, and you know it. Your whole argument is, frankly irrelevant other than as a way of venting your frustration at your lack of success in removing the islanders or crushing them under a second occupation.
Your desire to occupy the Falklands is even less justifiable than the war in Iraq. It is based purely on racism and a greed for land you never really had a claim to.
You are impotent to do anything about the status quo -so keep ranting and raving at us all you like.
Guzz - your food parcel has arrived and some more credit for the internet. the script will be along soon. Keep going on the illegal war in Iraq line Maximo is pleased.
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the British Pigs try to make out that Tony Blair and the Labour Government was a dictatorship and the UK people are not to blame bring up past wars from history. Problem is the UK win most of their wars so dig deep my troll friend dig deep. Try Afghanistan thats always a good one, where the whole of Nato is involved.
ps - No chips for a while in the food parcels as our friends and allies Brasil have impounded them on the border due to a trade dispute. No gas to cook them on anyway. I am looking to procure some micro chips, you can do them in the microwave.
Islander
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they come back with a husband/wife after spending years in Britain, it prooves my point, you ARE blood dependant.
ynsere, the uruguayan wannabe
Lista 609 is the MPP, the same branch of the Frente Amplio Pepe Mujica belongs, you have no clue what you are talking about. Furthermore, you should also know that every list is represented by 2 people, not 1. Topolansky is not even electable. If you don't know that, you are NOT uruguayan. Like not knowing what the tories are in Britain...
shb
You are way lost, “my” claim is not mine, it's Argentinas, and they don't need any advance.
I have no desire whatsoever to occupy the islands, that's only happening in your head...
Cloho
Tony Blair commited crimes and was an elected PM, and Brazil are certainly NOT your friends :)
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news/uk-brazil-report-substantive/
135 - I si tnext to a chap from Brazil at work and hes a great friend, does that count?
May 22nd, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont remember Tony Blair being charged with any CRIME, or George Bush, Clinton. So it must of been a mistake on your part.
Read the report on relations with Brazil cant see a problem, the only point was the turning away of HMS Clyde from port, and thats down to the RG government drumming up hatred and aggression towards the UK. Did a contingent from Brazil attend Kirchers conference on the Falklands, you know the one where nobody turned up.
So anyway the facts are the falkands are british and will remain so as long as the residents wish it, and there is nothing anybody can do about it. FACT
@128 Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have protested before on other threads about the number of educated Argentinians who make no effort at all to ensure they prperly informed before they make fools of themselves by spouting nonsensical so called 'facts' about the Falklands. You come into this category.
Your 'blood dependent' theory is complete nonsense and an unhealthy product of yor imagination. Do you seriously believe a society would operate like that? This is vibrant, much visited, well travelled community and nobody is, as you suggest, forced to pick an unsuitable partner due to lack of choice. I can't believe you even came up with the idea. I would normally invite you to visit the Falklands to see our society and culture for yourself but no, I wouldn't want you and your sick mind walking our streets.
Guzz- who said folks who go overseas to study and then go on to get work experieince for several years often return with a UK origen partner? There are people resident here in the Islands of at least 20 different nationalities,ethnicities and religions. Its not just old diehard brits who dont want the Islands to become Argentine!
May 22nd, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been resident in Uruguay for over 12 months now and I hold a provisional cedula.
If you are indeed Uruguayo (and ynsere who I am sure is Uruguayo is convinced you are not) you would know that under the recently modified Immigration Department rules my cedula is limited in the first instance to 12 months. Then 3 years (at present) and then I should be offered a Uruguayan Passport which I will be honoured to accept.
Was this not the case for you?
Every few weeks Guzz brings up his blood dependent theory - maybe its because he does not know his own blood-line.
May 22nd, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry didn't read the subtitles for the articles, but again read the one I was talking about. It doesn't say that they agree with Argentina.
And I like the fact that you claim the FALKLAND ISLANDERS are blood dependant, when your theory doesn't really maake sense at all.
Also Brazil are more of a frien to us, than they are with Argentina, even if they don't agree with our claim over the FALKLANDS.
Furthermore, don't know why you are talking about the war in Iraq, because we don't need the international community, who are blinded from the fact that he was a dictator and killed HUNDREDS of thousands of his own people, tell us if it is legal or not because we don't really care as we were right to invade and topple his regime, even if there no bioweapons there.
A quick rule:
A country or group of countries can come to a decision legally to invade a country if there is a threat in that country to their own people, to try and help them. We did help them, and I would say that Iraq is safer than it was 10-15 years ago. I'm not saying that it is necesserily safe though, because I do acknowledge that there are still suicide bombings happening every couple of months, and people die unfortunately (not really important though).
Once again I will say this, Britain will keep the FALKLANDS because of the fact that no-one can do anything about it ;)
Guzz - Joseph Mengele did a lot of research on genetics and blood lines amongst other dispicable things, think he moved to Beunos Aires after the war and vanished into the network of supporters. Nice of the RG's to hide this piece of human detritis.
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shb
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tony Blair was a great economist, but unfortunately recessions can start before he can do anything about it. It just happens because of bad business across the world.
Also I didn't think he got arrested, but if he did then why would he still be leader. That's the same with Gordon Brown, he was misunderstood and never got a chance to rebuild the country with his amazing policies that if compared with the Tories of today, would actually bring sustainable growth and equality amongst us people and our country.
Hms Talent on the way to the Falklands, just rejoice at that.
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sun should of run the headline 'Britains got Talent'
“Under a cloak of secrecy”
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not much chance of that if it visits a port anywhere in the South Atlantic. A bit of journalistic cobblers.
143 THEMan
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which planet were you on when the rest of us were having our hard earned savings stolen by the failed policies of these two stupid bastards?
The Pratt Brown was the WORST Chancellor we EVER had, and that is saying something when you remember some of the others.
My wife and I lost 48% of our nett wealth due to 'New Labour'.
The only thing these pillocks did was tax and spend, tax and spend, as ALL Labour governments have done.
Should have hanged the pair of them for the trouble they caused to the likes of my family and friends.
I recommend you spend time with Scottie_Kirchnerist, another 'Old Scottish Labour' unreconstructed communist: you both have a lot in common. He is as deluded as you, albeit with the hideous Mad Bitch of Argentina.
honoria
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said you have to choose your partners wisely as it is now, because you ARE blood dependant, and as it is, plenty of new blood is coming from the outside world, hence fulfilling your blood dependancy.
ChrisR
Even if I disagree with some of your posts, you seem to be a genuine man and as much uruguayan as the rest of us. I don't know the procedure you have to go through in detail, as I, as a son of exiled uruguayans, didn't have to do much more than present my parents papers to get my own (after a bit of paperwork).
Theman
Say what you want, but in the end of the day, 3000 people alone can't avoid inbreeding, they ARE blood dependant. Not saying the islanders are inbred, just saying they are blood dependant. Big difference there.
147 ChrisR
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing you're a Tory lover then. Maybe you should look up all of the policies of New Labour from 97-2010 and the current Tory-Lib Dem government, and compare them. I really don't understand why you would even support them. They ruined Scotland during the 80s and 90s, and why do you think that they only have 1 MP in the whole country, and Labour and the SNP have more. Because they have no clue on how to run a country without ruining the lives of middle and lower class people. They only had one decent policy, and that was the one where people could have the right to buy council houses. Just 1 from a history going back many decades.
I'm not saying that Labour were a very effective government, but they were and still are a damn sight better than the Tory governments of the past and present. And I'm pretty sure that's how a lot of people will feel in a years time, when they fuck up the country big time.
Theman
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Icould use the same argument as you and say SA don't need any backup from anyone in any question that has anything to do with Britain as you lot are a bunch of arrogant fools that don't know right from wrong. Of course that's a silly piece of argument, but again, it's just as silly as your statement saying Britain doesn't need the support of the international community because they fail to realize what you think yourself to know...
Anyone who asserts that the South Atlantic- or even South America as a whole- should be a nuclear-free zone had better ask Brazil why it is intent on having nuclear powered submarines in its armoury. Nothing against that; just that Argentina ingores that fact of Brazil.
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Way too many people confuse nuclear-powered with nuclear weapons...
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, you clearly are not up to date with Uruguayan reality. You didn't even understand most of the references I made. Now I see you claim you're the offspring of Uruguayan exiles - perhaps some of the dispicable people who rose up against the democratic government before the dictatorship. If you say you're Uruguayan, why are you on the side of Argentina, a country that is once again attacking us?
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are lost in your web of half-truths and murky distortions.
Long live a free and democratic Uruguay, and a free and democratic Falklands!
It is obvious you're not Uruguayan born and bred, I'm not even sure you're the offspring of Uruguayans.
You are dismissed.
Interesting that Arg news reports HMS Talent sub as “cazador-asesino”, while the also-possible lable “cazador-matador” that might reflect more closely English language “hunter-killer”. However, cazador-asesino is widely used to describe military ships and planes with hunter-killer attributes.
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reference:
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/492008/Politica/El-submarino-que-enviara-Inglaterra-a-Malvinas-es-llamado-cazador-asesino.html
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/492008/Politica/El-submarino-que-enviara-Inglaterra-a-Malvinas-es-llamado-cazador-asesino.html
This is very important news, for all those ignorants who love arguing all the time, about a sopossed threat of invasion by argentina. Anyway, unfortunatelly you have no idea about how far from the reality you are, you are just wasting a lot of money sending submarines, destroyers etc etc, which might be used to improve britain's economic situation. If you think that arg. is a threat, i'll give you some important information. In 1982, our budget of deffence represented the 3% of the g. d. p, now it represents the 0,9%, it's one of the lowest from south america. What the argentine government made with our budget of deffence, is almost a desarme, and i agree absolutly with that, we dont need to militarise the country, because we dont live under any invasion threat, beside we dont invade vulnerable populations, like some powerful nations do, just to steal them the oil recources. Anyway i understand that some of the ignorants who post comments here everyday, and who hate arg. histerically, those people who always make ignorant comparisons, and buy so easily the so partial analysis of the politicians, won't understand what i say about the situations of my country, respecting that sopossed threat that you love arguing all the time, which is used only to justify the british occupation in the malvinas-falkland islands.
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0154 axel arg (#)
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 22nd, 2012 - 01:39 pm
I agree with most of your post. The only thing I would disagree with is that UK is wasting money sending subs and a destroyer to the Falklands, she already has the equipment so it doesn't cost any extra to send it south, and it ensures that Kretina doesn't do something really stupid.
Basically its absolutely true, our military, be it army, navy or air force is in such straits that it would be difficult for them to defend thier bases against the civilian population let alone attacking the Falklands. I still think it a good thing that HMS Talent and HMS Dauntless are in the area as a deterrent to Kretina's menopausical insanity.
151 Guzz You forgot all of these countries who were fighting in Iraq with us: US, Australia, El Salvador, Estonia, Bulgaria, Moldova, Albania, Ukraine, Denmark, Czech Republic, South Korea, Japan, Tonga, Azerbaijan, Singapore, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Macedonia, Latvia, Poland, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Mongolia, Georgia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Italy, Norway, Hungary, Netherlands, Portugal, Thailand, New Zealand, Philippines, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Spain, Nicaragua and finally Iceland. All of these nations helped in the war within the first few months of it, so I'm guessing most of these countries' governments supported their actions, otherwise they wouldn't join in. May be wrong, but that's what I think.
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 147 Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So our population is the same size as any Uruguayan village or small town except we live on a group of islands? I think we knew that already. Why are you trying to imply this is a big deal for us and not for you? I think you are trying to dredge up insults from the bottom of the barrel because you have nothing constructive to contribute. Please try harder.
@ 154 Axel Arg
Interesting that you don't believe Argentina is a threat to us and we don't need a submarine. So why is Argentina threatening us?
Honoria
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While the Falklands' population may be that of a Uruguayan or Argentine village, your standard of living is a damned sight better. The poorest Islander is a millionaire compared to the Uruguayan and Argentine poor. And the richest Islander has infinitely better taste than the Uruguayan and Argentine nouveau riche.
This business about “blood dependence” that Guzz has come up with is very interesting. I personally can't find any references to these exact words, but as I understand Guzz believes that the Falkland Islanders are in danger of in-breeding because of lack of numbers. Well a well established biological rule of thumb for the viability of populations is a minimum of 160 individuals (80 female and 80 male).
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't off hand know what the distribution of the sexes are in the Islands, but assuming the normal 50/50 split it would appear that 3000 individuals will keep the population pretty fit for the next few centuries without taking into account the freshening of the gene pool from people coming in from outside (oil people, fishing crews, etc.) or from the spouses found outside the Island's indigenous gene pool.
Basically Guzz, you are completely up the pole.
@154
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea of the costs of the deployment of the forces in the Falkland Islands.
The troops that are deployed in Falklands have not just been taken on to protect the Islands - they are part of the overall military setup - they need to be deployed some where for training - what a great place to be stationed for training.
I know this - my son is in the 16th regiment RA - they are happy to be there.!
This story is what? three days old now. I am suprised that we have not heard anything from the Argentine government over the deployment of Talent.
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the are looking for the Astute or Ambush submarines.!
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Like all Royal Navy submarines, the bridge fin of the Astute-class boats is specially reinforced to allow surfacing through ice caps. The class submarines can also be fitted with a dry deck shelter which allows special forces (e.g. SBS and SAS) to deploy whilst the submarine is submerged.)
Ynsere
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't even know how Uruguays election system works, you fail to realize that Uruguay is doing so well because of a TUPAMARO leader (the ones who according to you attacked a democratic elected government). Yes, I'm a son of a tupa, and should those cretins use arms against their own people again, we will again stand against them, chumbo en mano. You are no Uruguayan, you disrespect the poor ones and dislike the rich ones. You are Uruguayan wannabe, a twisted mind probably escaping taxes...
honoria
Any Uruguayan village is, as any same sized village in the world. blood dependant, difference is no british troops controls who enters and leaves the village. Britain says let the people of the islands decide, yet they control who enters the islands (all passes trough Mount Shagasheep, and yes, I have no respect for the military, nothing to do with the islanders) a place that is dependent of people from the outside. How many islanders are actually born in the islands? 55? What's that, 1200-1400 people? Britain controls and decides in the islands, declare independancy before anyone believes elsewhise.
Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you talk absolute rubbish.
The British to not determine who enters the “Falkland Islands” - it is ”The Falkland Islanders Government (FIG)“ who determine who enters their ”Islands“.
By the way you are not a true ”Uruguayan” as you have suggested yourself, your parents were exiles (why we don't know), so you are also a blood dependent of Uruguay
Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British control it because they are British, and live by most of the British laws. That's what happens with most overseas territories. But, they still have the right for independence if they wanted, but they don't choose to use that right since they like being known as British. Also, almost all of the people on the Islands are born there apart from a few foreign nationals.
Finally, no point trying to discredit the best trained, hardest bunch of squaddies in the world, because they are world renowned for their skill and professionalism.
Leiard
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a prototype Uruguayan, immigrant and emmigrant :) You have no clue what you are on about :)
Ah an experiment aka Josef Mengele.
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I'm a prototype Uruguayan, immigrant and emmigrant :) You have no clue what you are on about :)”
I am sorry but your statement makes no sense!
@161
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Warning: Graphic photo, not suitable for all audiences
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/101445/cfk-cancels-activities-due-to-flu-symptoms
That is really a bad makeup moment.
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 163 Guzz
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were you not paying attention when I referred earlier to educated Argentinians who persist in spouting nonsensical 'facts' about the Falklands?
The British military do not control who goes in and out of the Islands. Sadly this means that even you would be allowed in if you turned up with a valid passport.
The moral of this story is ... check your facts
169 - Man even Lady Thatch scrubbed up better!! urgh
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0154 axel arg (#)
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is very important news, for all those ignorant Argentina bloggers
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The royal navy is only protecting British territory
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154,
Congratulations,
157 honoria
More space we give this keyboard cowboy,
The more rowdy he will get .
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@172 Briton
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know. I should try harder to ignore him but he is like an ugly bug you find under a rock - you should leave it alone because it looks nasty but you just can't help picking up a twig and giving it a prod.
mmmm just like a cockroach,,,we under stand .
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did someone mention too many people confusing nuclear powered submarines with nuclear weapons. I suppose that would be Mr Timmerman then?
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina developing nuclear-powered submarine
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/8677600/Argentina-developing-nuclear-powered-submarine.html
Does Argentina have any previous experience with nuclear reactors, ie nuclear power stations?
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Stephen L.Brooks
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland ******** Long Live Republic
They do actually have two nuclear power stations with a third in development at the moment.
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whe let mr salmon on here,
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0go home little fishy.
@179 Leiard
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, gives creedence then to the link about them developing nuclear powered vessels.
But of very limited experience outside of running electricity and manufacturing radio isotope for medical purposes.
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only reactor that went out of the country (to Oz) for the production of isotopes suffered major failures and had to be closed down for a long period while things were rectified by Australia themselves.
They do sell a number of reactors abroad but these are strictly open pool zero-watt units, used for research.
With regard to their sub progamme, this is somewhat akin to a lifesize lego project. They are starting with the old Thyssen 1700s which they purchased new from Germany in the mid 1980s and intend to cut the hulls open, remove the existing diesel engines and replace it with a small reactor, steam turbine and alternator (which might be the one off the diesel) and connect it to the existing Siemens electric motor. They will then have to close the hull.
What will they have then? Forget the 2015 deadline: at best it will be 2020 (source INVAP themselves) and they will have a sub that is already almost 40 years old fitted with a prototype reactor which will be unproven. It may kettle very badly and be noisier than the German diesels, it may be quiet, who knows?
Who cares? The Argies seem incapable of realising they will be so far behind the curve on nuclear sub propulsion that it really doesn't matter what they do.
There are already some very stealthy diesel subs available that are much quieter than anything INVAP can come up with. But of course you have to BUY these with USD so they are out of the question. There was some talk of the Netherlands being involved in this fiasco with the CAREM prototype reactor but I can hardly credit it.
The Brits by 2020 will already have in the water the follow up to the new class of subs which must already put the bejebbers up the Argie Navy.
So, the usual BS we have come to expect from The Mad Bitch of Argentina, ably aided and abetted by Polycelli The Wop 'Defence Minister'.
In other words a joke
Shades of K19.
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel- who is stealing oil from somebody? news to me? I know CFK stole some oil company shares off the Spanish just recently but unaware of anyone stealing oil?
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Certainly not here as our legislation is very clear on whom any oil revenue belongs to if there is any commercial development- it belongs to the Falkland Islands.
As for Subs and Destroyers etc - Axel - they cost nothing extra They are part of the overall UK Defence - they sail about the world anyway - regardless of the Falklands. There is only ONE small coastal patrol vessel that was built for the islands - HMS Clyde - and now she is built and paid for, even if the islands were no longer here - she would still stay in the Royal Navy as they would instead make use of her around UK and the North Sea etc.
Same with all the forces here - if the Islands were not here they would all still be paid and trained within the UK forces - they are NOT extra people just for basing here.
The ONLY Falklands related cost to the British Govt defence is the cost of getting people here and back and their shipping freight logistics etc. That is why the Falklands cost UK a mere £70-100million a year - less than 0.5 of 1 % of the toal UK Defence Budget!
Even in todays times the Falklands are not exactly a drain on UK finances!!!!!
Currently that £100million is a good investment as UK must be getting several £100,s of millions in materials, shipping income, oilworker wages and their taxes etc etc each year because CFK and Nestor tore up the Offshore Hydrocarbons Agreement and so instead of Arg and S.America sharing in the business and jobs from exploration- UK is getting all 100% of it that cannot be supplied locally!
scratch the surface and we see the real Argentina, wanting the toys the other boys have but not having the pocket money for, so they tell teacher
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HONORIA. LEIARD. ISLANDER1.
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HONORIA: It was obvious that you were going to victimize your side only, with out recognizing that you are not acting correctly either. I recognize that my country didn't act correctly in some oportunities after 1982, which is repudiable, but at the same time, you have always clarified that you are dispossed to discuss about different issues with arg. except the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, you are not acting correctly either. Anyway i dont expect any critic from you about the behaviors of the u. k and the assembly from the islands, because the only one thing you know how to do, is to victimize your side only. Unfortunatelly, this is evident that you won't understand that the intransigence of your side has a huge responsability in the actual scenario fo the dispute.
LEIARD: I understand that the maybe that submarne doesn't have any extra cost for the u. k, but you are expending a lot of money, keeping a huge base in mount pleasant, which is actually unnecesary, because you are not under any invasion threat, if you need to deploy that submarine, you can send it to another british colony which is not as far as the islands, my question is, if you know that the islands won't be invaded, then why are you militarising the south atlantic more and more?.
ISLANDER: You are making an ignorant comparison respecting what you say about ypf, we didn't steal anything, we just recovered what was sold during the decade of the 90's, beside, you dont say a word about the lack of inverstment by repsol, which prejudiced us so much, that omision shows that actually you know so little about this issue.
Respecting the deployment of the submarine, read what i typed for leiard.
On the other hand, you blame only c. f. k and nestor, for the oil agreement, but at the same time, you have always clarified that you are dispossed to talk about different issue with arg, but not the sovereignty, so, you are not acting correctly either.
@186
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given the current posturing of the CFK government, those of us who support the Islanders right to self determination, believe that the UK adopting a positive defence of the Islands, is the wisest course of action at this time.
186 - The base cost peanuts in the scheme of things, we now have balanced the books in the MOD
May 24th, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-how-hammonds-balancing-act-brought-stability-to-uk-defence-371933/
so some nice new kit for the forces, 2 new aircraft carriers.
Base costs £100 million per year which is small change, so no problems.
7 New Astute Subs, new replacement Nuclear Deterrent Submarines, and the new type 26 class frigates (should be able to fund 12 min.
So looking quite rosy now thanks.
@186 Axel,
May 24th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“-to discuss about different issues with Arg. except the sovereignty, which is the main problem”
We will NEVER discuss sovereignty with Argentina, Axel.
Do you understand the meaning of the word- NEVER?
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, Axel, Never.
REALITY CHECK.
May 24th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you say that the u. k is adopting a positive deffence for the islands, given the posture of our government, i suggest you to read my comment 154, and you'll realise that you are just wasting a lot of money.
On the other hand, if you are so sure about the application of the right to self determination for the islanders, you should know that the u. n has never invoked that right for this dispute, like it did for others colonial situations. Beside, the decolonization committe has always considered this cause like a particular colonial situation. Anyway, the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., all the resolutions have called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, but no more. It means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody change that , but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for both people, respecting the sovereignty issue, which is the main conflict. However, your problem, is that you dont want any fair solution, so, if you insist with your intransigence, dont complain if we have more serious problems in the furture, because accept it or not, your side is not acting correctly either.
@190
May 24th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders have declared their wish to keep their current status with Great Britain. It is the Argentinians who have no wish for a fair solution - the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina, no end of talks will ever change Argentina's view.
190 axel arg (#)
May 24th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 24th, 2012 - 12:44 pm
See: www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sgsm14122.doc.htm
Ban Ki Moon to the Special Commitee on Decolonization.
“I am pleased to greet the Special Committee as it begins its work for 2012. The creation of new sovereign nations was once described as one of the great liberating movements of history. Yet the process of decolonization is not complete. Sixteen Non-Self-Governing Territories across the globe — home to nearly 2 million people — remain to be decolonized.
In keeping with the principles of the Charter and subsequent mandating resolutions, the international community continues it efforts to make tangible progress in assisting those territories to achieve SELF-DETERMINATION. To do so, we will need the constructive involvement of all concerned — notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves.”
Please note the participants:“notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves.”
I appologize for the cut and paste!
187 - Reality Check - Agreed!
May 24th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0192 Simon68
May 24th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that seems cut and dried to me.
(or cut and pasted in your case :o) only joking!)
@158 Ynsere(#)
May 24th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mentioned to me a few days ago that nothing worth in Argentina including the Universities. I asked what education you have regardless of what country you represent. You never answered my question.
The facts are found in the internet about 3,000 argentine medical doctors approved by the US Medical Board to be license to work in the US. 3,000 argentine medical doctors is the whole population of the islands own by the islanders for 189 years...
The difficult economic times is found almost all around the world. The US has a 15 trillon dollars deficit the largest in US history and keeps increasing. I am concern about the bad economic times affecting millons of argentinian and US citizens but we all can survive the difficult times ahead like the past generations did survive without air conditioning, hospitals, transportation, etc. My Argentine Hero who gave us liberty from Spain did not have flash lights, band aids, aspirin, telephone, or a microwave owen. I HONOR him until the last day of my life!
Susana Brown
195 SussieUS (#)
May 24th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don José de San Martín was a real Argentine patriot, and he would have a heart attack if he could see what our ghastly politicians have done to his wonderful country. If it wern't for Kretina Kirchner and her toupe of performing idiots Argentina would be one of the richest countries in the world instead of a parih state on the verge of economic suicide.
No Simon, San Martin diria que todavia hay que seguir luchando, para unir a nuestra America Latina, igual que lo diria Simon Bolivar y Jose Artigas. Unidos nos tirarian al frente para liquidar con el ultimo suspiro de la vieja oligarquia.
May 24th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hasta Siempre
@196 Simon 68(#)
May 24th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sir, you did complaint a few days ago that your retirement amount is not suficient for you to eat well.
Let face the facts. I am from Patagonia and I am a very healthy person thanks to the good food my parents provided me with their low pay checks.
If I have to reside in Comodoro again I will follow the same economic plan that my parents had for all the years they lived. My parents house had a smal garden to cultivate radish, carrots, lettuce, perejil, etc. , eggs from a 12 hens that permitted my parents to make home made mayonesa and flan. My parents baked daily breads. We had chickens and the best pollo asado con garlic. I believe the fish is still the best protein at an affordable price. We bought dried fruit like raisins, prunes, apricots and peanuts for desert. My mother made my clothes and sweaters. She wash the bed sheets, towels, clothes by hand.
Why you can follow the same economical plans from your parents?
Please, don't use degrading words against the argentine leader. You know very well that Carlos Menen borrow too much foreign monies.
The bad economic times is found almost all around the world. Check the facts in the internet.
Susana Brown
@198
May 24th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If life in Patagonia is so good why are you living in the US?
@199Leiard
May 24th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps a more appropriate question would be, why are 3,000 Argentinian Medical Doctors, living in the US?
@199 Leiard (#)
May 24th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sir, my message was sent to Mr. Simon.
@201 - SussieUS, why don't you live in Patagonia, the place you profess is the best place to live.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you live in the US? Don't avoid answering the question, because the answer is simple.
I live in the US because.....?
Sussie @ 195 - My education is none of your business. I am on this forum because I believe in freedom for the Falklands and I'm worried about Argentina's foreign policy, and the only personal information I'm willing to give is that I'm a Uruguayan living in Uruguay. Unlike Guzz, who cannot say anything about Uruguay that can't be googled and whose obsequiousness to Argentina is such that he's most probably an Argentine himself. What I said to you was that UBA is in 37th or 38th (Ican't remember now) place in the ranking of South American universities. You can check this on the internet. The university at Comodoro is well below UBA, I presume. Is this not true?
May 24th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do have a question for you: You say you live in the States, yet your English is peppered with mistakes. Can't you get private lessons, or perhaps have someone correct your posts? Don't you have opportunities to practise? Perhaps you don't live in the States at all. Why is it that so many of the pro-Argentine bloggers here are either half crazy or pretending to be someone else? Clearly some, at least, are getting paid. Nobody pays me (unfortunately) and I very much doubt whether such is the case of any of the pro-Falklands contingent.
I'd love to be paid by the Falklanders, and I'd have no qualms about it. In their land no children are going hungry, and their currency is not losing value by the day. I hope you're able to spend your Argentine Pesos before they lose their value even further.
ynsere
May 24th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only do you try to rewrite history, but now your short time memory is failing you as well...
I asked you about telling me what lista 609 was (something that can't be googled) and you failed to respond, meaning you have no clue about Uruguayan national elections, since Uruguays current President belongs to that list.
Tell me, what was the name of Artigas famous follower?
What is the 3rd highest card in truco?
Who wrote “el sapito Manuel”?
What is “la fuga” in el Centenario?
Why are “los bolsos” called just that?
What does “araca la cana” mean?
There, google on :)
It's good to keep the Argentines nervous. A mild reminder of who they're facing...
May 25th, 2012 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0chiquita bananas: This is what Argentina is facing!
uk is FINISHED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
UK will Collapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
poor deluded lazy bums.....
I disagree on wasting money on the deployment of the sub mainly because they will be deploy anyway. Hence only 7 SSN and 4 SSBN. All will be on deployment, maintenance, training or R&R which included in the budget. Are you rather leave them rotting like certain navy, if you don't use them then the asset will be decommission.
May 25th, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@205 - malverino1.
May 25th, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you have to resort to insults, everyone knows you have already lost the argument.
You and all your Argtard friends keep putting a price on the Falklands. 'it's too expensive, why bother it's only 3,000 people, why waste the money.'
We've all seen these sentiments from people such as yourself over the last few months.
But you CAN'T put a price on liberty and freedom from oppression. Currently the defence of the islands costs less than 0.5% of the entire UK defence budget. But even if it cost most of the defence budget, it would be worth it to defend the people of the Falklands from the tyrannical Argentine government who would deny them basic human and civil rights.
Remember that. We will defend the Falklands from any Argentine aggression, regardless of the cost or how long it takes, for as long as the islanders wish us too.
Just remember how impotent your government really is, hence all the crying and embarrassing you on the world stage.
Lets hope the Argentinian scumbags give someone a good excuse to sink what few laughable remnants of a navy that Argentina has left.
May 25th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have to keep CFK in power, even if it means “subsidising” her Swiss bank account!
May 25th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0She's keeping the Argentine military weak, hence they cannot invade again.
Thank you Cristina!(tame idiot).
@203 Ynsere(#)
May 25th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Review your spelling “practic” is practice.
Who are you to critize my Argentina foreign policy?....
If you are from Uruguay mind your own country.
I live in Los Angeles, CA, Las Vegas, NV. and Phoenix, AZ. Try my cellular (702)375-5305. I don't have nothing to hide.
Why you with the “perfect english spoken” don't tell your real name?...
.Are you afraid of retaliation?.....Miedosa!
Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ.
LEIARD. SIMON68.
May 25th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEIARD: Your answer was obvious, this is evident that you understand just what you want, like some others forists who are pro self determination for the population from the islands. I was perfectly clear when i said that if the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody can change that, but id doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for both people respecting the sovereignty which is the main problem.
Beside, neather you nor many others forists realise about the doble standart that you use when you criticise the posture of our country. According to your view, the only one outcome for arg., is that the sovereignty is transfered totally to our country, which is very arguable, because beyond what our constitution says about our claim, the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., so, although the negotiations are resumed between both countries, in order to find a peaceful solution for this conflict, the islands won't never be only under argentine sovereignty, because thats' not what the u. n signalize. However, your side has always said that you are dispossed to discuss about different issues with arg., but not the sovereignty, and claim for the application of the right to self determination for the islanders, so, it means that for you, the only one outcome, is that the self determination is applied for the population from the islands, and reject any kind of discussion with arg., regarding the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, you are doing exactly the same than what you criticise from the argentine posture.
SIMON: If you like being the lawyer of the islanders, i respect it, but unless be ample when you analyse such a complicated cause like this one. I dont deny that maybe self determination is applicable for the islanders too, but like us or not, the u.n has always considered this case like a particular colonial situation, beside, read what i typed for leiard.
@ 211 axel arg,
May 25th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your concern about us Axel, but we do not need any assistance from Argentina.
We have a fair & peaceful solution already.
lf you haven't then you should do something about it.
There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty.
We can talk about other things though, my dear Axel.
Fishing, trade, tourism(?),etc.
Not about oil, unfortunately for you.
Blame good old Nestor for that one. Sad.
What would you like to talk about, Axel?
Do you grow good coffee? l'm sure there would be a market for that.
@212 Isolde (#)
May 25th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolda sueca cara seca, I repeat argentinians do not wants the islands. Is you imagination stupid slut...189 years for the islanders residing in such place and not a 5 star hotel, no university, worthless real estate.
I imagine you box size is big enough to irrigate the islands 100 times daily..
Sussie @ 210 - As far as I know “practic” doesn't exist in English. “Practise” does, and that's the right spelling when it's a verb. I repeat my suggestion that you try and get private lessons.
May 25th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Argentine retaliation, yes I think it's perfectly possible. Argentina is a nations with an above average number of terrorists, murderers and other kinds of criminals, both in and out of government.
My name is none of your business.
As for your many places of abode in the US (another claim of yours I don't totally believe), I assume you must be a lorry driver. Nor that I really care.
You're dismissed now.
@213 SussieUS,
May 26th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I answered your ravings on another thread & will not repeat myself to a person such as yourself.
ln future you will address me as Memsahib lsolde.(or even Rani).
But its nice to know that you don't want our land.
So what is the reason that you hate us,if its not wanting our land?
You have my permission to speak.
Speak up, girl.
Maybe we can do something about it.
Ynsere
May 26th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You uruguayan wannabe, google didn't help you on my questions? :) :) :)'
Lets take them again
Tell me, what was the name of Artigas famous follower?
What is the 3rd highest card in truco?
Who wrote “el sapito Manuel”?
What is “la fuga” in el Centenario?
Why are “los bolsos” called just that?
What does “araca la cana” mean?
Try yahoo :)
@sussieUS
May 26th, 2012 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody believes your ranting and nobody is taking you seriously.
We would like all of Argentina and CFK to state “argentinians do not wants the islands” followed by “renounce our claim”, followed by ACTIONS to prove a change of intent.
Until that time your country maintains a claim on the Falklands and is taking action to try to get it's grubby little fingers on them, while trampling all over the people who live their.
Stop lying or (if you actually believe the crackpot garbage you are writing) go and read up on what your country has been doing to claim the islands.
PS We love you too!
Calm down it's only a hunter killer sub!! after all the big boy subs sit underwater anywhere in the world and shoot big white destiny changing sticks in the atmosphere and they wait till the world turns, in the mean time they break up into 16 or so 80 (ish) mt war heads and rain down on selected targets, one or two taken anytime after meals usually does the trick in sending the recipient country back to the stone ages. Neat or what! and remember you don't have to be anywhere near your target to get them!!
May 26th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The selected targets being schools, hospitals and urban areas, because in all your technology you never bloody get it right, assuming you are hitting those targets by accident...
May 26th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@211 Axel
May 26th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The difference is that we are supporting the the Falkland Islanders and their wish to remain a self-governing British Overseas Territory.
“They have this guarantee - that as long as the people of the Falkland Islands want to continue with their current status as a British Overseas Territory, then they will be able to do so.
”We will back them, we will support them, we will defend them. We have the Falkland Islands properly defended for a very simple reason - we believe in self-determination, the right of people in the Falkland Islands to determine their future. I think it's important on this, the 30th anniversary, to reaffirm that and to tell people in the Falkland Islands they have our backing, they have our support”
Guzz #219 Your so easy to wind up - bless
May 26th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Black Cat
May 26th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I confess my Latin blood does not serve me well at times, but my post @219 was in all seriousity, it is a fact you can't hit what you aim for...
Guzz.. Think your find a nuclearvwarhead doesn't need to be particularly accurate as most things fore miles gets fried boooooom
May 26th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing your weapon arsenal blows up, is your own economy :)
May 26th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Booooom :)
@222 - Guz. My Argentinian friend.
May 26th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be confusing us with the USAAF. However, should be ever have the need to attack Argentina (and the only possible way this would happen is if Argentina declares war on us), I think you'll find that we already know where your military installations are.
Targets will fall when hit....
Leproso, my Argentinian friend
May 26th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are going for military targets, you will find out that all there is to aim for, is yourselves...
Guzz @ 216 - Get stuffed Guzz, you're the established liar, not me. I don't have to prove a thing!
May 26th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ynsere
May 26th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me, what was the name of Artigas famous follower?
What is the 3rd highest card in truco?
Who wrote “el sapito Manuel”?
What is “la fuga” in el Centenario?
Why are “los bolsos” called just that?
What does “araca la cana” mean?
You don't know, do you? :)
228 Guzz - Your cutting and pasting from your other posts on this site. Move on, think original, entertain me (if your tiny mind allows) but please don't bore the arse of people . Simple point to note for some strange reason we do know a little of your country, If you want to catch an Armadillo, the lovely people of Uruguay stick their finger up it's arse stunning the creature allowing you to kill it for the pot. You may have known that you may have not. Also the people of Uruguay drink piss poor whiskey and mix it with coke. You also used to put pies in tins (we bought them though) but you chose to stop that industry and concentrate on paper mills (FRY BENTOS) causing you to have a hissey fit with your friends across the river and close a bridge forcing people to Bugibus the river crossing (kerching). That's about it for Uruguay mate. The rest of your trivia is drivel unless of course it's pre white settler stuff, no no silly me you don't have any history prior to the land grab. Oh and you wish you were still Brazilians, which you probably will be soon.
May 26th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Black Cat
May 26th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About the armadillo, we have no intentions of stunning it with the finger, it is merely to make it let go of its nest walls in order not to end up with the tail in your hand :)
Fair enough you don't know anything about Uruguay, but stop pretending you are one then (that goes for ynsere)
Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are the one who cannot make up his Make up your mind as to which country you come from.
One of your latest tasteless posts
“It is a kind of sex tourism. Islanders you are being held blood hostage. Free yourselves, allow the flight in from Buenos Aires and I’ll be down there to sow my Argie seed.”
#230 Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Che boludo looks like I fazed you a bit their, I find Uruguayan great people, they party like crazy, dance if a car alarm goes off, mad about “celestie” asado till there is no tomorrow. Genuinely very nice people, you however are a bit of a Botija so I'm just twisting your tail. I am Scottish and blessed to be married to a girl from Uruguay, I have no identity crisis mi amigo however at my wedding we managed to get plenty of not really Scottish people to play the pipes and drums (bloody well I may add) now then, pass the mate ;-)
That's not me posting, Leiard. There's a fool posting with my same name, most probably conqueror that ran out of arguments... I try to post straight after him, as we all know one can't post 2 posts after eachother.
May 26th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will not defend his words, as I have nothing to do with his lack of wits, and I most surely don't agree with him...
I suspect that #233 isn't the real Guzz.
May 26th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#233 is far too conciliatory - even reasonable - and the earlier Guzz posts are therefore much more convincing and in keeping with his normal posts :)
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's easy to know the difference though, the other one attacks people randomly with low witted arguments, I only attack abusers, using facts :)
Black Cat
Here, don't “wash” it :)
“I only attack abusers, using facts”
May 26th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well there is a lie for starters, so you are clearly not the real Guzz ;)
I don't get you skåre, you seem to be a reasonable man. And you call yourself a socialist. Why do you dislike Argentina so much? Honestly, and please answer seriously, if you may
May 26th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not detest Argentina. I have spent a lot of time in Argentina and know it is a beautiful (if violent) country with very many decent people. I detest that majority of Argentinians who are fascists (and they really are the worst kind of Peronista fascists who take nationalism to a nauseating extreme) and who delude themselves that they have some sort of bizarre claim to the Falklands that trumps self-determination .... a claim which is based on myths and demonstrable untruths and is blatantly only given an airing when the government of Argentina is up to its neck in shit and looking for someone to blame and distract attention for the hole they have dug for themselves.
To be honest, I don't agree with 75% the anti-Argentina stuff that is posted in this forum - nor much of what I post - but quite honestly it is the only way to counter the demented racist drivel posted here by CFK's rabid agent provocateur.
Truth be told, everyone arguing the Argentinian case in these forums is thirteen buns short of a baker's dozen and clearly aren't interested in serious debate. I tried arguing the serious middle ground, but that just encourages the Argie racists to get even more extreme, so as far as I am concerned I now just come here to give them their own medicine and to show Max's many personalities up for the schizophrenic filth they are.
There you are .. 101% honesty. Happy?
Indeed, fact is, I don't totally agree with all the Argentines writing here either. The reason I defend them though is to counterweight the amount of arrogant brits there are here spitting venom and generalising about our neighbours and continent... Quite ironic, don't you think? :)
May 26th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would seem this is a gathering place for witless racists, no matter where they are from. That, or we are all looking for a cheap laugh...
Well, winding Max's many personalities up truly is a cheap and very easy laugh.
May 26th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm having fun with Conqueror and yankeeboy, they tilt easily :)
May 26th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I have had my run-ins with both sides when I tried to argue honest dealing and decency, but now I just stick to picking on the one side. Max is funny though because he thinks he is being so subtle and clever in his attempts to prove that I am not a Norwegian (he seems more obsessed with that than about the Falklands .. but, given that I am Norwegian, that is a lost cause) but the traps he tries to lay are so hammy and glaringly obvious that you can just run rings around him all day (until people like you ruin it with a serious answer).
May 26th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's that all about? People are more busy finding new nationalities for eachother than talking about the issues... Think I've spent more time defending my origins than talking about my beliefs...
May 26th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably because neither side believes that anyone other than an extreme nationalist could possibly believe in the other side's case - so anyone who isn't British or Argentinian must be an imposter .. or something like that I guess.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For me it is just a simple matter of the whole thing being clearly fabricated (which even Peron admitted, because he was flabbergasted when the UK actually offered him joint sovereignty of the Falklands just before he died) .
Today though, if anyone in Argentina was honest and sincere in their desire for sovereignty and a friendly outcome where the islanders decide to become Argentinians, then they would play a long game and foster friendship and cultural bonds.
But Argentina doesn't do that. It deliberately takes the one route that is guaranteed to ensure that they will never gain sovereignty of the Falklands, so that the sovereignty issue is a bogeyman that can be blamed for all of Argentina's ills. The whole Argentine way of going about it is so unstable and basically revolves around constantly throwing their toys out of the pram because the islanders, after years of intimidation, take more than a few disingenuous assurances to become flag-waving Peronistas.
Argentina just engages in a really quite repellent game of intimidation and using the islanders as pawns in their wholly amoral and racist game of politics that heaps shame on an otherwise reasonably decent country that has had more than its fair share of troubles, but which now deserves everything that befalls it if the people don't rise up and make a stand for honesty and decency.
I do kind of feel that anyone who isn't Argentinian and can't see that glaring truth has their own reasons for taking the Argentinian side .. a reason which actually has nothing at all to do with a sincere belief in the rights of the bizarre Argentine claim.
For me, as a spectator, I think both claims are born out of colonialism. But there is a truth that annoys me; the brits are invasive by nature, a fact that the Iraq invasion prooved. As Uruguayan, I don't like having their army, or even fractions of it, that near my home. They say they have no nuclear weapons in the islands, but they also said Saddam Hussein had a few.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They say the islanders are self-determinating, but every visitor passes through Mount Pleasant and the brittish military, plus the brits decides how the islanders deals with the outside world.
Should the islanders get independency, nobody would continue backing Argentina in this matter.
My issue is not with the islanders, but with the colonialist brits.
The Iraq invasion proved no such thing and it was a widespread international effort. In fact, Argentina itself was part of one of the Iraq invasions.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some countries are constantly expected to take on the role of leading international action - and then get constantly attacked by those who refuse to see the truth of the fact that the country isn't doing it for selfish motives. Sorry, but that claim of yours is just bullshit.
The first Iraqi war was an international matter, for Iraq invading Kuwait. The 2nd war was not approved by the international community. Furthermore, Bush and Blair lied to the whole world in their justification to invade and sack a sovereign nation. I don't agree with Hussein, and am indeed glad he is gone, but I will never buy the lie that it was an unselfish act. It was for the profit. Look, the weapon producers sell their arms, the construction companies get their contracts (to build up what the bombs destroyed) and the government gets the cheap resources. War makes profit, and the poor people pays the bill.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not an unselfish act whatsoever, on the contrary, a very much selfish act. And illegal.
LEIARD. ISOLDE.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEIARD: I respect your opinion, in fact, if your side decided to cotinue rejecting the negotiations regarding the sovereignty, then, dont complain if we have more problems in the future. Beside, this is evident that you still dont understand do you?, if the islanders want to remain under british government, we can't change that, in fact the u. n doesn't say a word about any transference of sovereignty to arg., but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution that respects the wishes of the islanders, and our wishes too. However, your problem, is that you dont want any fair solution.
ISOLDE: What kind of concern and assistance are you talking about?, i didn't say absolutly anything about them. I only argued about the doble standart that your people uses all the time, when they tak about the posture of my country. On the other hand, i won't discuss with you again about the sovereignty, because it's just a waste of time, if you decided to be intransigence, i respect it, but dont complain if we have more problems in the future, maybe some day you'll be able to understand that you are not acting correctly either, and will stop victimizing your side only.
Your capacity for revisionism really is quite staggering.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The second invasion was an international matter and was supported by massively more countries than took part. Even those who opposed it (France, Germany and Russia etc) agreed that Iraq needed to be disarmed and the only disagreement was abo0ut timescale how it should be done. That isn't colonialism on the part of the UK, USA or anywhere else.
Your attempt to portray Britain today as colonialist is cheap and incredibly lame, since Argentina's own actions against the Falklands are far more colonialist in nature than anything undertaken by the UK in almost a century.
The Falklands choose to be represented abroad by the UK, just as Iceland for many years made the choice to be represented by Denmark .. and indeed just as Greenland today continues to be represented by Denmark. The fact of the matter is that very many small territories around the world make the choice to allow others to represent them abroad and that in no way makes them shackled against their will .. and in fact it would be illegal under international law for the UK not to offer the Falklands that umbilical cord for as long as they are perceived as being under threat from Argentina (and only a cretin could argue that they don't have good cause to feel threatened by the Argentinian colonialist fil).
As for the rest, you are just proving my point that you are just dragging up all sorts of other wholly irrelevant objections in order to justify your own wholly irrational racism against all things British .. and the fact that you use that against the Islanders shows just how much disdain you have for them (and that makes you as bad as any of the Argie scumbags frequenting this forum). Doubly so since you are quite hypocritically willing to hold the possibility of British nuclear weapons against the UK, when you whine that it wasn't fair in Iraq.
Sorry, but you are the worst kind of hypocrite and racist .. probably worse than most Argentinians.
@217 shb
May 26th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The majority of argentinian don't want to hear the disputed issue. My country is telling to the islanders that they cannot have la chancha y los veinte.. This means the islands belongs to the islanders but don't get close to the argentine ports. The UK submarine is nothing more than a speedy fart. Obama holds Cameron testicles. The UK barks only when the US tell them to bark. Viva Argentina!
Hi SussieUS , good to see the Campo whore working the streets again today. Is business good?
May 26th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a part of you that reacts quite negatively when Britain is faced with its truths... You sure you are Norweigan only?
The 2nd Iraqi war was indeed backed by many nations, all of them took part in the same crimes. It doesn't matter what you think you know, no one has any right to invade a country based on what they believe. It would be like the Argentinians justifying a bombing of the islands stating they believe UK has nuclear weapons there. And you would defend it, because SA backs them...
I understand you don't want to loose your friends in these threads, but at least try to be rational in your arguments
Yada, yada, yada. So now even the Swedo-Uruguayan Nazi has to resort questioning nationality (and I have openly admitted that I am not all Norwegian .. I am half Danish but only have Norwegian nationality).
May 26th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My support for the UK - which has done untold selfless things for the world community - is no different to your support for Argentina .. except that I can rationalise mine, whilst you just rely on all manner of hackneyed racist myths to justify yours.
The second war in Iraq was not a crime. That is just a claim you make to justify your prejudices.
As I said, your arguments are racist and have nothing at all to do with the Falklands. It is just a tragically desperate trawl of anything you can think of to shore up your irrational bigotry.
Dude, keep telling yourself that this drivel of yours is true ; but when Argentina – or indeed that preposterous little pisspot fascist state you are from – does anything at all for the international community, then (and only then) you will be in a position to judge .. but as it is you just sit there expecting other people to pick up the bill and do the dirty work whilst you sit there and bitch, default on loans entered into of your own free wills and then revel in the fact that ordinary people in other countries are having to pick up the bill for the fact that you are a bunch of idle drug-addled layabouts who are unable to take responsibility for anything. You have the nerve to speak of selfishness when in fact there is nothing more selfish than the actions of the holes you excuse.
There are few countries less qualified to judge than Argentina and Uruguay are .. in fact, right now, I can only think of North Korea that is less qualified. Even countries like Iran and Venezuela make efforts for the wider world community, whilst your countries do nothing that isn't in your own astonishingly selfish interests.
Now, since none of your banal arguments relate to the Falklands, you are clearly just trolling.
/out
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world is not asking USA and UK to flash their plastic pokice badges and kill civilians from helicopters, trust me, they are NOT asking that of them.
Invading sovereign nations is not helping anyone, but their own pockets, and as both you and me knows, a very very selfish act.
Now, defend it if you feel the need, but don't project youe illusions on the rest of us, we don't do sopp, and find it hard to understand your thinking...
@Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus, you really are full of crap. And like it or not,l the international community is asking the things you claim it doesn't ask. It asked it in the Balkans, it asked it in Iraq, it asked it in Libya and the list goes on .. except racist snot rags like yourself refuse to accept that as a part of this reality.
Now if anyone is projecting delusional crap - and doing it in abundance - then it is you.
Now do everyone a favour and do what your parents and all other good little Nazis did .. run away and shit bricks in South America.
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys are not the international community. Don't misinterpret your inferiority complex for something else than it is.
The west is sacking the 3rd world, like it or not. And they always seem to have a nice set of arguments as to why they should...
Unlike you, I don't have an inferiority complex, so kindly don't project your own glaring inadequacies onto me.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And still you are wholly reliant on introducing all manner of wholly irrelevant arguments - like this utterly banal claim that the that the “west is sacking the 3rd world” (by the way, Argentina and Uruguay are both Occidental nations and therefore a part of this 'west' you so despise) - which have no conceivable relevance to the Falklands questions .. which only goes to show how bankrupted your argument is.
Come back with a less hypocritical argument in a couple of centuries when Uruguay and Argentina have done something for the third world.
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh but we have done a lot for the 3rd world; Banco del Sur, Exxon out of Venezuela, Repsol out of Argentina, refusal to sign FTA's with USA and EU... And I can promise you we aren't done yet :)
Now I understand why you defend the illegal war on Iraq, anything else would be admitting to the fact that Fogh Rasmussen and Pia Kjærsgaard are a bunch of fascist pigs...
If you think you are doing the 3rd world a favour, you (EU/USA) are deluding yourselves, we KNOW you aren't :)
Not a single one of those acts aids the third world. They are all acts of pure greed and selfishness.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now run along Nazi boy ..somewhere in the world there is someone gullible enough to fall for your delusional fascist drivel, but it isn't here.
We will indeed run along, and regarding the fact that you have nothing in resources compared to SA, and the fact that you are done getting any from here, we will not only run along, but we will pass you on our course and wave while we do it :)
May 26th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refer the Swedo-Uruguayan to the second paragraph of #259 above:
“Now run along Nazi boy ..somewhere in the world there is someone gullible enough to fall for your delusional fascist drivel, but it isn't here“
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refer to the Anglo-Dane on my whole post @260:
”We will indeed run along, and regarding the fact that you have nothing in resources compared to SA, and the fact that you are done getting any from here, we will not only run along, but we will pass you on our course and wave while we do it :)”
@Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refer the Swedo-Uruguayan - the one who so hates the west yet seems quite happy to live in one of the most militarily active countries in the west - to the second paragraph of #259 above:
“Now run along Nazi boy ..somewhere in the world there is someone gullible enough to fall for your delusional fascist drivel, but it isn't here“
Etc. etc. etc.
I don't hate the west, as you would know, people are quite different, even within Denmark (a country I don't live in, more than on temporary occasions). I hate colonialist scumbags, and I don't really care if they are British, yanquis, Danes or Uruguayans... Try your “us vs them”, it surely works in Denmark, doesn't it? Tell you what, doesn't work with me, I'm fully aware it's not about nations, but about values :)
May 26th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refer the neo-Nazi Swedo-Uruguayan hypocirte - the one who so hates the west yet seems quite happy to live in one of the most militarily active countries in the west - to the second paragraph of #259 above:
“Now run along Nazi boy ..somewhere in the world there is someone gullible enough to fall for your delusional fascist drivel, but it isn't here“
Etc. etc. etc.
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I took you for a smart man, my apologies...
You obviously think that if you repeat your lies again and again, they will finally end up being true... Got news for you, since the internet, it doesn't work like that anymore. Nowadays, you need to proove your facts.
I don't live in Denmark, I'm here to get my sailing licensce. I'm not Swedish, only in your head. I'm no neo nazi hypocrite, you are. I don't hate the west, if you ever felt anger towards you, it was just that, to you, not to the entire west. Actually, everything you say is a product of your deluded, unstable mentality...
Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never took you for a smart man .. and I was right.
I never took you for an honest man .. and I was right
You obviously think that if you repeat the same old hackneyed myths over and over again they will eventually come true;but I have news for you: they don't and the advent of the internet gives everyone the tools to see your pathetic lies for exactly what they are.
Deny all the other stuff, but we all know otherwise.
skåre
May 26th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never forgave your mother for trying to abort you, did you?
Come on, lets get to the root of the problem, let it all out...
Guzz
May 26th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said, projecting your inferiority complex and your vast multitude of deeply rooted psychological issues on to me wont achieve anything and wont alleviate your pain.
Keep ranting, you sopp addict :)
May 26th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is, Europe is done for, no matter how loud you shout.
Enjoy your austerity
OK, even for a sad, lonely and deeply mentally retarded neo-Nazi troll you have actually become incredibly boring, so I really am letting you have the last deluded word and shall leave you to fester in your rank ignorance and hypocrisy. Now if your don't mind, I have a recording of the 20th stage of the Giro d'Italia to watch and that really is massively more entertaining than offering home truths the deluded Uruguayan bum-boy I see flogging his backside up and down Istedgade every time I drive by.
May 26th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Europe is done for, then God help the rancid shithole you call home.
I'm sure you spend loads of time in Istedgade... That is why you are so upset tonight? Did they refuse you again? Next time tell them to let you do your business and pretend you're not even there, I'm sure that's quite possible for them...
May 26th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
May 26th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello everyone: Please don't judge Uruguay by Guzz. This person is not Uruguayan. If we all ignore him he'll go away.
May 26th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... says the one that calls herself Uruguayan and can't even answer basic non-google questions about the country. Stop licking our butts, ynsere, it's clean enough and we got loads of yanquis and brits in line with eager tongues...
May 26th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@250SussieUS
May 28th, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The information I have gleaned from reading here and other from news services is that the majority of Argentines back gaining soverignty over the islands.
It may be that at the moment you have other concerns on your mind (like the economy) that take higher priority.
We have the right to defend our citizens from armed aggression from your country. We regard your president as unstable, over emotive, and a potentially capable of ordering an attack on us that would kill many of our servicemen and place the islands under occupation. if it was successful. The last time you did that the islanders were to be deported. We can't take your personal word for it.
About the RN - I would say in return that we are blowing a rasberry at your country by (possibly) sending an SSN in to the area.
Obama may hold us by the balls as you say - a lot of people over here would agree with that, but on this issue we have in a similar grip. If that man wants any help for US policy in Iran, Afghanistan etc, he needs to remember that betraying us (as he has done on several occasions) will lead to reciprocal damage to US interests.
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