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Argentina proposal to increase Mercosur common external tariff from 22% to 35%

Tuesday, May 22nd 2012 - 06:09 UTC
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Argentina is planning to propose its fellow Mercosur members to increase the common external tariff, CET from the current 22% to 35%, when they meet at the next summit in Mendoza. Argentina currently holds the pro tempore chair of the group and at the coming summit the helm will be transferred to Brazil. Read full article

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  • Idlehands

    That'll be interesting to watch. Bullying by Argentina as Uruguay tries to resist.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    So a 35% tax on selling chips to Brazil

    May 22nd, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    No - this is a tariff between Mercosur and the outside world as far as I can see.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    I did realize that, it was just that they can't seem to agree movement of goods between Mercosur members - yet here is Argentina's Hector Timerman informing (telling, bullying) Brazil what they should do when Brazil takes over the chair of Mecosur in June.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I guess they want hyper inflation and to lower consumer purchases. They are doing everything to crash this economy. I wonder why?

    May 22nd, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    5 yankeeboy (#)
    May 22nd, 2012 - 11:43 am

    Would it be that with a super-crash nobody would notice Kretina escaping with the US$70.000.000!!!!

    May 22nd, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Tinman is completely out of his depth. An increase of this sort of tax will stifle trade.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    6. Don't forget about the est 300MM Nestor stole from Santa Cruz...

    Who knows how much $ they really have but it won't help much if there are bloody riots and she is held accountable by the next Prez who will for sure be in the opposition.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Uruguay needs to get a FTA with the US asap and dump Mercosur for the failed thing that it is.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    9. They're working on it now ( brazil too) . They had one all ready to go a few yrs ago then the old commie came to office and shut it down. It was pretty short sighted of him and I bet he regrets it!

    May 22nd, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    This headline should read: “Timerman proposes to end Mercosur”. He is an absolute tit. But then Mercosur is unworkable because Argentina is part of it, a bit like having Zimbawe in the EU.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Simon,

    Why don't you pack up and get the heck out!

    Grow some balls instead of complaining.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    12 tobias (#)

    Hi tobias, good to hear from you. Why the hell shouldn't I complain, the blooody peronists are taking our country down to hell and the only chap who could have opposed them is a vecino of yours who is dedicating himself to his day job.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    The vice president did oppose them, it cost him his post. Say what you want about him, but his vote in the senate to break the tie in a session seen all over the world for its drama, with the senate tied in votes on such a landmark legislation that the VP of the country had to decide, was gutsy.

    Specially since Mendoza is not even a breakbasket province, thus the farming tax would have made not difference to us.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    14 tobias (#)

    I'm glad to see that you also admire Cobos, and I sincerely believe he is the only person with balls enough to “hacerle frente a la” Kretina and her troupe of idiots. The rest of the UCR are practically La Campora and entirely useless.

    I wonder if Don Julio will have shot at it?

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    I don't admire him per say, I admire his actions in front of a watching country and world quite frankly, specially given he was the 2nd to CFK, that takes guts (I remember the story was very well covered around the world because of the farming protests which then turned to urban protests, which surprised the world that the argentine city dwellers would support the farmers against CFK ).

    He was just an OK governor (but Mendoza historically has been a very well governed province so it doesn't say much). He did continue the policies of gov Iglesias, specially in public transport which is why Mendoza today has a metro and urban expressways when not even Rosario or Cordoba have them.

    Mendoza has a good history of political stability and continuity, only Mendoza and Capital Federal honored their debts in the 2001 crisis.

    He just doesn't have that ''leadership” a politician needs.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Unfortunately I think you're right about the “leadership” quality, but having said that he does come across as a very intelligent and moderate person, which would harvest him a lot of votes after the Kirchner years of agression and agravation.

    I think what we need is a little bit of peace and quiet to get over the hysterics of the Kretina and see if we can pull the country together again, surely we've had enough of Argentine against Argentine.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Mendoza is a very moderate society, tends to be conservative fiscally, but quite progressive in the environment and increasingly socially.

    The labor unions in Mendoza are not as extremist and thus you don't see the street protests or daily strikes. The business men are more connected to the society thus have a bit more sense of responsibility.

    So he may have been well for governor but in the histrionical world of Buenos Aires, he is just not assertive enough (assertive to the point of stubborness, which is necesary there since you can't be seen as giving in one centimeter, or the sharks will smell blood). That is politics out on the great city.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    It seems the “Kirchner Show” must go on then, because I'm certain there is no alternative on the political horizon at the moment. Look at what we've got:
    Macri - Ok in BS AS but has no projection in the provinces.
    Carrio - Doesn't exist.
    Alfonsin - Idem.
    Binner - No charisma.
    Peronismo Federal - Maybe Scioli if the K's let him live.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    35% tax on selling goods - hm, not good
    30% inflation in Argentina - wow, out of control
    5% average annual wage rise in Argentina - poor workers =

    Bark Bread Recipe

    100 grams of yeast
    1x Litre of luke warm water
    1x Litre of rye flour
    1.5 Litres of white flour
    1/2 cup of bark flour from the local forest
    Blend ingrediants and knead dough.
    Allow to rise for one hour.
    Roll out into smaller rounds.
    Baking time varies according to size of the bread.
    Leave in the oven for 10 minutes at 225C.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    20 Brit Bob (#)
    May 22nd, 2012 - 03:43 pm

    No gas, thanks to Kretina's YPF adventure!!!

    May 22nd, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @20

    Impressive, that ingredient list straight out of your head like that. Seems around your parts they may be experts on the recipe as of late... say, the last 5 years.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    The headline should read, 'Argentina proposes to take the rest of South America down the toilet with it.'

    Talk about economic suicide.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @23

    Hey if they want to be flooded with subsidized European products, they are welcome to.

    Argentina won't.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #12-19 The farming crisis in 2008 was a taste of things to come, no? Having let the Kirchner's restore growth and stability after the crisis, the old elites tried to get rid of them and stop them from going further to the left, but despite the setbacks, particularly Cobos' treachery, Cristina weathered that storm, as I predict she will weather this latest attempt to drive her out and destroy her model

    May 22nd, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/FSEXR/EC6.htm

    You ARE arrogant and full of double morals...
    I don't blaim the islanders, not even Britain, only you sad colonialists spitting your venom on these threads...

    May 22nd, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @24 hello tobias. What are you doing in your less intelligent alter ego?

    You're right Argentina won't be flooded with European products (subsidised or otherwise) because Argentina won't have any money to buy them.

    Argentina also won't have any food because CFK is planning on trading it for oil. And you won't have any fuel because she'll trade that oil for money which will go straight into her off-shore bank accounts.

    Poor tobias, you probably won't be able to post comments in the not too distant future, as there will be sweeping power cuts across Argentina. Pity.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    What you guys reckon, does she get 25? :)

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Very little info about this topic on Internet...............

    But, based in my primitive understanding of the Portuguese language, it seems that the Argentinean proposal to increase Mercosur common external tariff to 35% has been positively received in Brasilia.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    All you double moralled brits should know that we are aware of the richness of Latin America, as we know we have more than enough, but why should we buy your stuff cheap when you take a high price on our stuff? Take a look at how you live, using the “3rd worlds” resources. You shall have some, but we need to sort our needs 1st, “1st world”.... That's what it is, isn't it? The rang of who gets to take part of the resources 1st, 2nd and 3rd “world”, only 2nd has been winning past century. Subíte al balloca, que 'tas fuera e trote con la realidá

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    $5.90/ 1 U$ today in the parallel market. It is not going to be long before panic sets in.

    I think if you look back at all the economies that have failed in the last say, 100 years this is right out of the textbook on how to do it!

    So in their infinite wisdom on top of 35% inflation, HUGE increases in TAXES, UTILITIES, WATER they are going to add MORE TAXES onto imports even for things they don't make in ARG like CANCER MEDICATION, DENTAL SUPPLIES, HIV MEDICATION, CAR PARTS, DIAPERS, ETC ETC ETC to what end? When do the people raise up and say they have had enough madness?
    I think it will be sooner rather than later.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @31

    Maybe they aren't rising up because your information is utter crap.

    Just saying.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, We got into this last week. I don't lie. If I do by all means please point show me. All I do is read newspapers and listen to friends.

    I hear if you go to a pharmacy to get CANCER OR HIV meds you can only get up to a 3 day supply. IF THEY HAVE ANY AT ALL IN STOCK!

    The import restrictions are literally killing people.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    I didn't say you are lying (please not the traducing accusations again, please check the gay marriage thread, to prove the hypocrisy of many here)... I said your information may be crap.

    Which some is... well, mainly exagerated to the point of being transmogrified.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My information comes from internal and international news organizations. I doubt they are inaccurate. They may not tow the CFK line which bothers you but they are more right than wrong.
    Is the 5.90/1U$ wrong? Can everyone get every medicine they need? Have you taxes gone down? Hmmm which one is overly exaggerated? I wonder?

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    “Can everyone get every medicine they need”?

    Where can they? I'll move there in a hearbeat.

    (USA doesn't count, you price out 50 million people flat from your healthcare in order to give the appearance of a plentiful healthcare system, and Europe and Canada doesn't count, they ration service in order to cover most people in the health net)

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    36. I have never met 1 person in my whole life that can't get the medical care they need. NOT ONE. EVER.
    I hope the USSC invalidates the Obamacare law. It is a nightmare that will make our hospitals and medical care into Argentina.
    Hospitals in Argentina are filthy horrible places with equipment from 50s horror movies. I tried to be a good citizen when I lived there and went to give blood because my type is rare but I had to walk out because it was too dirty and scary. I think some news organization should go to BA and show the people of the US what Socialized medicine gets you. YUCK!

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT7F9qW-7qw

    You just met one.

    How does it feel?

    For all the horrors of our hospitals, our life expectancy is 76 yours 78. And our loses a full 8 months due to traffic accidents.

    Yet you pay 10 times more for basically the same.

    Speaking of dumb people.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Sometimes people die in hospital waiting rooms, sometime they die in ambulances, was she denied care because she couldn't pay? That would be illegal and unheard of in the USA.

    The biggest drain on our healthcare is with illegals who go to emergency rooms without insurance and must be treated. USA should get the home country to pay their bill.

    I would pay 100X more than you to be in our hospitals. It is my life at stake you know.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    The USA healthsystem is the joke of the world. Wrongly amputated limbs, wrongly applied mastectomies, equipment left in patiens bodies, people dying in the front of hospitals for lack of coverage, wrong blood transfucions, all kinds of weird germs going around (check that woman with the eating bacteria after her wound was INCORRECTLY cleaned).

    And it is the joke of the world not for those things ocurring... but because of the money poured into the system. It is probably the most lourd example of ineptitude in modern times, so much cash so little return.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    40. Sure it is. That is why so many heads of state and royalty come here to get treated.

    I agree the costs are out of control that is why the gov't needs to get out of the funding. That will solve a lot of our problems.

    You are such a jealous little guy. I told you before I would give you and Guzz a job. You just have to fly to northern mexico and hire someone to help you cross the boarder(bring lot s of water) . When you get to TX or AZ give me call.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    You attack everything about me personally and my country, but I'm the jealous guy when I simply respond...

    Nah, I just enjoy making a fool out of you (you started with your “information”). Next time just don't make comments about Argentina and we are all good. Believe me I won't even mention the USA as I don't care really.

    When people are civilized, I never say anything about their countries, I just stick to my own and even criticize it myself (Peronism thread for example).

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zulu99

    Tobi, you're definitely a smart kid. It's also clear you like to look up cool English words or phrases on the internet, a lot of which are never, ever used by native English speaking people. There's nothing wrong with that, you can learn a lot about a language that way. But, you may want to learn another phrase...“you got owned” in this thread by yankeeboy. JUST SAYING.... Now go vituperate and transmogrify yourself collegeboy.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    “you got owned”

    I'm not impressed by internet claques, which all of you anti-argy folk are :)

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zulu99

    Awesome!! Another really obscure word. I still like you though Tobi, you seem like a real firecracker. You might want to sit down and drink a cream soda or something to calm your nerves. Yoga is also great.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Obscure? You mean abstruse?

    I think it's funny you think I look those words up. Since there is no synonym for “claque” then obviusly I must know the word to bein with at the top of my head. That fact is irrefragable.

    I don't get why some of you are jealous that I command a panoply of vocabulary. I just studied hard, I'm no genius... I simply spent time others used to drink beer and watch too much sport.

    No secret to a good education, but hard effort.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @46
    And a good good English Oxford Dictionary.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    The English Oxford Dictionary is a great tool for learning english, not like you guys that take spanish word and translate them into your prejudices, like negro into something else than black :)

    May 23rd, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    46. It is always easy to tell when someone is insecure with their education or intellectual ability. THEY USE A LOT OF BIG WORDS. It is a sign of weakness but go ahead toby and keep looking ridiculous. It doesn't both anyone here.
    BTW big articles today confirming the LACK OF MEDICAL PRODUCTS IN ARG. Hard to give medicine or do blood tests without a syringe. Maybe you can reuse them like the drug addicts. Just put them in clorox. hahaha

    Do you hate when I am right and you are wro...no lets say...look foolish ? Think does that is why he won't talk to me anymore. Aww I miss it.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    yanqui, you are never right. Ever. Period.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    50. But what is funny 2-3 days or some weeks BEFORE you see it in the major news outlets I am posting my predictions here. It is very easy to see too bad you don't pay attention.

    Is the peso 6/1 today? Brazil's devaluation is going to KILL Argentina's exports. There is going to be a race to the bottom!!

    Swiftly coming to an end...and I am glad to be watching from afar.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    50 Guzz (#)
    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:27 pm

    I'm afraid this time yankeeboy is right. I've just heard from my elder brother in Córdoba that his hip operation has to be posponed because the replacements are among the imports “delayed” in Aduana. My sister-in-law tells me that the “agente de aduana” suggested to her that she should go to Chile to buy the replacement and smuggle it back to Córdoba!!!

    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    52. These import restrictions are literally killing people. Why are people putting up with it? I can imagine if some people couldn't get the medication they need to live it would be in a 24hr news cycle in the USA until it was fixed. This is really serious! It is amazing people are stupidly passive about it.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    53 yankeeboy

    I am not being passe about this, but I would imagine some really sick people, particularly the older ones, just couldn't be bothered and would rather die.

    At least they would be out of all this crap that their government gives them (or snatches off them in most cases).

    Despicable people in charge.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    53 Yankeeboy and 54 ChrisR,

    There is no doubt about it that there are people dying from Moreno's stupidity, and the peoples' reaction to it is very much what you say Chris. One of the major problems is that almost 50% of our population are basically poor, and I mean poor. People who really don't know where their next meal is coming from and it is these people who are suffering from the import bans. The very people who Kretina says she is trying to help!!
    These are people who have no form of self defense because they voted for Kretina and her troupe (their votes were bought) and so have no one to turn to in their hour of need because the representative who they voted for follows the “relato” which means he/she does not see a problem with closing the country to imports. The Argentine Government is totally mad, bi polar just like queen Kretina.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    Speaking of Hospitals, and in particular, B.A. What was the final outcome of that new born girl, who was pronounced dead at birth, stuffed into a box, only for her parents to find her well and very much alive 2 hours later.

    And Toby has a nerve to criticise others health care systems. I mean honestly, what kind of Doctor can't tell the difference between dead or alive?

    I know of one country where you can get the meds you need. Why not have a look at Scotland.

    May 24th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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