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Royal Navy says HMS Talent reports are “mere media speculations”

Tuesday, May 22nd 2012 - 18:29 UTC
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Royal Navy Commander Mark Southorn said on Tuesday that news informing of the sending of the HMS Talent nuke submarine to the Falkland Islands are “mere media speculations”. Read full article

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  • mickey5hins

    “If this submarine passes through our waters and WE DETECT IT, we have no other choice than REPORT IT”

    LOL

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    So not even a non-denial denial, just no denial! Btw Cristina's pro-human rights Argentine government is as “distant” as the Uraguyans in wanting to harm the human rights of the Islanders

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Ha ha ha,
    Again ha ha ha .
    The silent service again confuses the CFK camp.

    They never learn do they,
    And she actually expects the British, to hand over the places and positions of all ships , planes , whereabouts,
    Just like her loyal bloggers, she has a deluded brain.
    Deluded ambitions, and deluded arguments .
    Ha ha .

    .

    May 22nd, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    “If this submarine passes through our waters and we detect it, we have no other choice than report it”

    Yeah right, like any SA country has the technology to detect a British submarine. Not to mention the sub will absolutely not be lurking off the coast unless there is a sufficient threat from the Argentine navy which is very unlikely to say the least.

    The sub will simply be patrolling and encouraging the Argentine government to not try anything silly and it will most likely stay well outside of any countries waters with the exception of the Falkland's of which it has a right to be in.

    It's actually a very smart move given the increasingly desperate actions of the Argentine government, its what should have happened in 82'

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Papamoa

    It is Very Unlikely that Uruguay has the technology to detect this type of submarine if they do register a submarine it will more than likely be argentine.
    @2 bk
    The UK does not comment on the deployment of its submarines neither do the French, US, Russia.

    Long Live the Falklands.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    No disrespect to Uruguay
    But if they could detect these subs, would this then not make the Uruguayan, radar, the most sophisticated and sought after radar on the planet,, and put over 50 billion dollars /pounds / euros
    , Russian and china billions on the scrap heap over night.

    More newspaper puzzles, perhaps .

    .

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Briton.
    Radar would only detect a surfaced boat. Uruguay would need to have some very sophisticated sonar equipment to detect a submarine submerged. There are two types I believe, active and passive. Active is went they transmit a sound, a ping and listen for the echo being bounced back from an object. The trouble with that is if you are pinging from a vessel, you give your own position away. Passive is listening for the sound in the water, Talent can detect a vessel over a 100 miles away and identify it from its acoustic signature. I'm no expert, I looked it up on the net, think I got it right. May be some of our ex navy posters can enlighten us more.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    At some point, you have to conclude this is all a diva complex.

    ”We are sending a Star Trek technology (their description), sub“
    ”We are not sending a nuke“
    ”We didn't say anything about sending a sub“
    ”We didn't speak to any media“
    ”We don't deny or confirm...“

    It all seems to me like a British stoked story with all kinds of obvious and fake twist and turns to bring attention to themselves as in ”look at us, we have this sub”.

    Pretty childish and a sign of deep insecurity if you ask me.

    If the submarine is so darn advanced, just send it and no one will ever know.

    Seems so clearly like attention whoring.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    I'm not going to say “I told you so” but I told you so........

    The Beano has more upto the minute news in it than The Sun. Anyone who believes what those Child-molesting, wife swappers print in The Sun has no brain at all

    The response is typical MOD non comment but I suspect even this non-story has introduced doubt into the minds of KFC and her cronies.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    9
    Therein lies the beauty of submarines as defensive weapons, doubt.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    7 reality check
    thank you,,,
    this is what happens when one is to keen to reply, without checking ha ha ,
    bloody radar,
    yes of course it should have been sonar,
    but the rest remains the same,
    we think they may have been hearing things again .

    May 22nd, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    10 reality check

    I know, wonderful isn't it? doubt that keeps you guessing, doubt to keep that little voice going at the back of your mind, doubt to keep you awake at night......ooohhh, I salute you “The Silent Service”

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    and the silent servive is about to get millions to become invisable,
    the next generation is being worked on, now,
    and by the time they get to be built,

    argentina will just be upgrading there wooden ships to steam,

    a possable danger perhaps lolol.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Devious buggers the RN Sub Service.

    First they sow the seed. The sun publishes the story.

    Then they water it. Neither confirm nor deny the story.

    Finally they watch it grow. Navies all along the S Atlantic frantically searching for them.

    Devious buggers.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    yep
    Only the british royal navy, can put the fear of hell into you,

    and you have no idea of even where they are .,

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    “look at me, look at me” ... (tawdry make up, garish clothes, meretricious behavior)

    ... then she plays hard to get.

    The above summarizes the behavior we are witnessing by the UK. Against a country that has unitaterally disarmed.

    LOL

    thanks everyone for confirming my post @8.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @16
    Which country would that be then?

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    16 Truth_Telling_Troll

    You LOLed at that?? Seriously, you LOL'ed at your own post?

    wow............

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    If this submarine passes through our waters and we detect it, we have no other choice than report it”, Menéndez told the newspaper.

    Well considering an older sub shaddowed the Belgrano and its escourts for 2 days without being detected, im not sure how Uruguay is gonna manage it!

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • anubeon

    I don't get what all the fuss is about. The UK holds sovereignty over the Falkland Islands (and South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands) and has a right to patrol the associated terriorial waters, exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and even in international waters. It's a right exercised by the UK in her home waters (by which I mean the British Islands bar Eire's territorial waters) as well as by every South American nation which has a coastline and a navy (including both Argentina and Uruguar). They'd have leave to whinge if UK ships where harrassing international shipping or their own vessles, but as far as I can see their trundelling around the South Atlantic sipping tea, smoking their pipes and waving politely at passing ships (I do hope that'd how it works). You'd have to be pretty insecure to be intimidated by that, unless you had plans that might provoke such a beast (Hmm...).

    “If this submarine passes through our waters and we detect it, we have no other choice than report it”,

    I should think so and all! Any military vessel entering another nations internationaly declared territorial waters is, in effect, declaring war. I doubt very much that Uruguar will find any British ships (submarines or otherwise) lurking within their territorial waters though, the UK is festideous in maintaining good relations where-ever possible. No reason to poke the bear.

    Unless, of course, Uruguar is protesting the presence of a Royal Navy submarine within international waters, which according to the laws of the sea, no nation has leave to do (unless the accused is harrassing shipping etc...). If Uruguar reports Royal Navy ship movements within international water to third parties that would be a rather aggressive stance (especially if reported publicly).

    “military ships are not and will not be welcome in our waters and/or our ports”

    So Uruguay has no navy of its own? Or does the Urugyan navy refuel and resupply at sea, with deliveries from local dolphins and fishing traulers?

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    16 - How is the UK saying look at me (then you describe someone dressed up)

    The South African media leaked HMS Talent calling into port. Not the UK government..read the press release the Royal Navy don't comment on the disposition of submarines.

    Its only the RG's getting upset, just to confirm the de militarisation includes the subs that the RG's want to retro fit nuclear reactors in
    so i imagine its sour grapes.

    RG's look on in envy at the UK Nuclear Subs, they want a non nuclear zone so much that they are planning their own!!!!!!!!!!!!! nuke subs

    Cant wait to see these tubs when they finally set sail.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    19 scarfo

    The Belgrano was an Argentine Navy ship.

    Uruguay had nothing at all to do with it. :o)

    In any event the Argies are crapping themselves at even the thought that a NUCLEAR sub could be out there. I am convinced that the usual suspects STILL don't get the difference.

    What they should REALLY be concerned with, sitting in Talents hull are the Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM) which, although conventially tipped are more than capable of laying waste to large areas of BsAs if The Mad Bitch of Argentina was stupid enough to attack the Falklands (there are no Malvinas). The key is in the phrase 'Land Attack'. LOL

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    The UK never discloses the whereabouts of its submarines. Everyone knows that and all of the hype has been nothing more than speculation.

    Any assets the UK MoD may or may not have in the South Atlantic are there for defence purposes only so chill out Argentina. Leave the Falklands alone and the UK will leave you alone. Push the boundaries if you dare but don't cry if you go too far and some of your vintage equipment and its operators end up in little broken pieces.

    Before you start masturbating again Malvinistas: this is not warmongering. It's simply a mature, powerful member of the global community taking sound precautions against an unpredictable, broken 3rd world wannabe that has it's back up against the wall.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Naval-Construction-and-Retrofit-Markets/Argentina-Argentina.html

    Just cant afford one thats why they are crying

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    So first of all we have Argentina through tinman holding a nuclear submarine detector and now the Uruguayans. Very technologically adavnced. Makes me wonder what the Russians and chinese are thinking. i'm sure theyd like this technology as well.

    The Uruguayans should do now what they have done for a while which is fucking well butt out. however i do recognise that they are shit scared in case Rg Land invades with their pea shooters.

    I'm still at a total loss to know why any country supports Argentina over its spurious Falklands claim, which is utter bullshit.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • anubeon

    I don't know why I kept spelling Uruguay as 'Uruguar' above. Must have guar gum on the brain. Also, it's dark. ;-)

    @16 Truth_Talking_Troll

    “Against a country that has unitaterally disarmed.”

    Erm... are you talking about Argentina? Argentina may well have cut her military budget to the bone, and failed to upgrade her tin-bath grade military equipment. However, she has far from disarmed herself. Furthermore, what's all this 'Against' malarky? I've seen nothing anywhere that suggests that the Royal Navy is opperating 'against' anyone. She's always engaged in patrol and defensive opperations (as well as various other peacetime opperations against pirates and drug trafficers), but that's very different.

    P.S. You seem to be misattribiting the Sun's mindless jingoism for a UK inferiority complex. Rather a stretch, don't you think.

    @22 ChrisR

    ”What they should REALLY be concerned with, sitting in Talents hull are the Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM)...”

    Well quite. It amazes me that Argentina makes a fuss about nuclear weapons. The nuclear deterent is basically a massive bluff; no sane nation would ever deploy them. Argentina called that bluff in 1982 and the UK didn't respond with a nuclear launch. Which rather does discredit the doctrine of nuclear deterents IMHO. No you're quite right. Capable conventional weapons should be a much more frightening prospect, if in the hands of a proven aggressor (which, at least where South America is concerned, the UK most certainly is NOT).

    Some baffeling hysteria coming out of South America at the moment. This faux solidarty is counter-productive and is what makes the UN general assembly a bit of a joke. May wiser mind prevail 'ey!

    May 22nd, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Argentina is not planning any military investment. Pure propaganda from the posters here.

    Funny, because when it comes to the Falklands they say “Argentina wants to attack”, then in the political threads they say ”Argentina (CFK) destroyed its military because she is afraid of them”.

    I actually think having a military is a waste of time for Argentina.

    It will never win a conventional war. So it needs a long term, defense-tech oriented strategy. One that ensures no country can invade without taking massive, dissuasive losses.

    Since any country invading would require a huge task force sent down from very far and invariably via waterways (except Brazil), all we need is a tracking system and the weaponry to destroy any such task force. Including nuclear, laser, biological, chemical, and thermo-pulse...

    With Brazil, we just develop medium distance missiles and tip them with nukes.

    All that will be far more effective and probably cheaper (not to say good for science in the country), than spending billions each year on having a real military that cannot win because of sheer size of the nations with more populaton than us, and buying equipment from others giving them our money for their pathetic technology.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    22

    Well considering an older sub shaddowed the Belgrano and its escourts for 2 days without being detected, im not sure how Uruguay is gonna manage it!

    The Belgrano was an Argentine Navy ship.

    Uruguay had nothing at all to do with it. :o)

    Im aware of this and was making a comment on how hard these modern subs are to detect, even when operating in close proximity to enemy ships.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishPenguin

    “If this submarine passes through our waters and WE DETECT IT, we have no other choice than REPORT IT”

    I highly doubt any South American country could detect a Royal Navy submarine. Countries with a modern military would also struggle.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “If this submarine passes through our waters and we detect it, we have no other choice than laugh at the dumb Brits”, Menéndez told the newspaper.

    HMS submarine
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Regw-AhXI

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    27 Truth_Telling_Troll

    Tobias, I don't recognise the term 'thermo-pulse except for embryonic tri-barrel rifles and of course childrens video games.

    Did you mean EMP which is potentially far more damaging to modern hardware being, as they are, dependent on electronics?

    And how do you propose to develop the 'nuclear tips' for the missiles, even assuming Brasil would be willing to get into bed with Argentina on this when it dropped out of the nuclear sub fiasco and went its own way?

    You are sounding more like that alledged Argentinian, Pirat-Hunter who actually lives in Canada, poor demented thing.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Chris, Argentina could develop nukes in a relatively short order if it wanted to (leaving aside geopolitical consequences), just based on the science. We can enrich uranium to a high level. Not nuke level yet, but simply because it has not been pursued.

    But anyway, I was not advocating for getting nukes, I was just putting forth possibilities for self-defense in order to ditch the military (navy, air force, army), entirely. Which I think should be a goal. We can't win conventionally, and we shoudn't be in the business of attacking others ever again.

    We should just posess a deterrent against invation or massive aerial strikes against us. Which would long term be cheaper IMO than keeping three branches of a military that is effectively useless in case it is needed against the likes of China, USA, EU, etc, countries with hundreds of millions of available soldiers.

    EMP as far as I know fries everyone's equipment, which is why it has not been used.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    30 - You played snap son

    You play the astute submarine working up in trials

    I play the SANTE FE

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/alimarante/5594478110/

    Disabled by a few marines and a ickle helicopter.

    jajajajajajajajajajaja

    SHOW ME A UK SUB SUNK BY THE RG'S

    JAJAJAJAJAJAJ humiliated country grasping at straws, looking in envy at the Royal Navy Subs. @hitting it me tinks

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “Dumb British Submarine Stuck In Mud”

    http://wonkette.com/427479/dumb-british-submarine-stuck-in-mud

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @33

    I guess you didn't say “show me a Royal Navy Ship sunk by the RG's” because you can't.

    Must suck considering it was 4th world military that did it.

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mickey5hins

    @30 why are you worrying about that
    you should worry about what happen on 15 November 2011. Look it up

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Jealously is a terrible thing eh Marcos. Danny is just as bad.

    Tobias, what are you doing on here under a different alias, did you have a bad day at work or something?

    May 22nd, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishguyfromLondon

    @27 I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Thermo-pulse, though I think they might have mentioned it in the recent Star Trek episode...

    Argentina does not have the money for laser weaponry, let alone nuclear. As for chemical and biological weaponry, both of those things are illegal under international law. Not that Argentina has a great history of obeying national law but there you go...

    May 22nd, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @38

    I know a logical thought out analysis of what I said may be beyond your grasp, but if Argentina ditched the military entirely (right now at a continental low of 1% of GDP at 3 billion USD), and just focused on self-defense deterrents, and then actually raised that target to 6-7% of GDP and added to that the science expenditure (2% of GDP to 3%), then you would have 10% of GDP, and no expenditure on paying miltary salaries. That's about 30-35 billion annually...

    With good planning, and given that Argentina has tons of scientists both at home and abroad it could repatriate, it is not that far fetched. It does not need to develop fantasy weapons, just some sort of mechanism to wipe out any incoming invading task force or threat from the air (like missiles).

    May 22nd, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishguyfromLondon

    @39 I don't think you quite realise what you are suggesting. To have a nationwide defence system, in a country as big as Argentina, with enough modern weaponry to wipe out any invading force, would cost an astronomical amount of money. We're talking spending on par with Reagan's military spending in the 1980's. Argentina simply does not have that kind of cash. Who are they expecting to be attacked by anyway? Our only interest in the region is the protection of the Falkland Islanders; we have no interest in attacking Argentina. Apart from us, what enemies does Argentina have? I thought that everybody in Latin America is Argentina's friend. If this is the case, and Argentina has no interest in foreign missions, then why not just get rid of all weapons in Argentina and declare it a peace zone? What you dreamt up is delving into the realms of science-fiction, and I know full well that Argentina would never give up its remaining military assets

    May 23rd, 2012 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Your patronizing is disgusting. Typical however. Argentina has plenty of potential enemies. And any serious country would plan for such contingencies. Whatever the current status is now, even within Latin America, it may not last forever and only fools would think that.

    The best way to make enemies is to disarm yourself entirely.

    There is no science fiction here: this has nothing to do with protecting the entire country's territory, 99% of the population lives in 1% of the territory. It is easily achievable to have some sort of air defense neutralization in that sense.

    And what does the size of the country have to do with an invading army? There is no nation on this planet that could put a war front thousands of kilometers long... any invasion would be at a specific border point or coastal landing. You simply take out those invading task forces at sea or at the entry point with the appropriate force.

    Argentina should give up all remaining military assests, begin attrition of officers and salaries, and proceed with a self-defense program.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    There's no way the tiny, bankrupt Uruguayan navy could detect a modern submarine. Unless the submarine chose to show itself, in which case the Uruguayans would report its presence to the Argentines, whose navy would scurry to its home ports just like last time.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I love the bit about Argentina could develope nuclear weapons of her own. She is such a bully in the region that if she could have, she would have, years ago.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Those nasty Brits sailing a big bad sub into the South Atlantic to fwighten us - it's just not fair.

    Don't worry - it's just like the bogey man in the attic. If you're good boys and girls and always brush your teeth before bed then you'll never see it.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    I actually agree Tobias.

    Its important Argentina retains the ability to defend itself decisively (which it can't currently do) in the event of future threats.

    And its for the very same reason the UK's ability to project power with conventional weapons and nuclear weapons remains very important.

    We all know for instance if they UK didn't have a sophisticated fighting force Argentina would of most certainly invaded the islands in another attempt to steal them.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @41 -Tobias.

    (sarcasm on)Are you saying that everyone in South America isn't Argentina's friend? No they must all be your friends, because CFK, Timerman say so. All the La Campora trolls and Malvanistas say it's true!

    Are you now saying that all these people are lying? I'm shocked! ;) (sarcasm off)

    By the way your post is quite interesting. Are you suggesting something similar to Switzerland? Where every adult male is part of a militia type organisation, and has to do annual training in weapons and tactics, but you still have a small core of professional soldiers?

    Pity you aren't president. Maybe you should run, but on the other hand the economy is really fecked at the minute, so would you have to tackle that problem 1st. On the other hand Argentina has loads of natural resources, it's only through corruption and complete mismanagement, that Argentina isn't one of the richest countries on earth.

    However, the real problem for any future government is that CFK has destroyed Argentina's credibility on the international financial stage, a therefore people would be unlikely to risk investing in Argentina UN case the government decide to steal all their money and assets.

    But you do raise some interesting ideas.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    A typical South American reaction-they just don't get it do they? If there were no threats, or boneheaded claims (devoid of legality) on the Falkland Islands there would be no need for British forces to be in the South Atlantic. Typical SA deferral of blame for their self inflicted problems. Hey Uraguay, wake up and smell the coffee-a British sub will be defending the Falklands not wasting time inspecting the Graf Spee.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    34 - No i said submarine, because we are talking about submarines.

    4th World navy, it is now but at the time of the invasion the RG fleet was pretty reasonable, you had your mighty aircraft carrier (ex UK) that once our sub started its work ran back to port. And the 2 type 45 destroyers that we sold you were pretty state the art at the time.

    I would say your Navy now is 4th world now, along with your non existant sub force.

    So look on in envy

    May 23rd, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BritishguyfromLondon

    @41 Tobias, without any kind of Army at all to back it up, there is no way that a defence system could prevent an invading force by itself. You would need to have it covering the whole country or else the invading army could just attack at a point which isn't protected. By the way, disarmament is not an invitation to enemies - Lietchenstein hasn't had an army since Napoleonic Times, even though it is surrounded by large (and often aggressive) states, yet they haven't been attacked except for World War Two, and I think that we can both agree that those were exceptional circumstances. If Argentina is as peaceful as it claims to be, then it should give up all of its weapons. To be honest, in an ideal world there wouldn't be any weapons at all, but that's impossible.

    @48 Really hate to be pedantic but it's the Type-42s that we sold to them. We only just invented the Type-45s

    May 23rd, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    oops yes type 42's sorry typo error

    May 23rd, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Are there still rumours of a planned mock invasion from numerous small pleasure craft as a stunt?

    As a small boat owner myself I'd say it would be a foolhardy venture. The distance is too great, the waters are too dangerous, the weather is too unpredictable and the chances of failure are high.

    Let's hope they give it a go - Talent and Dauntless can pick up the survivors.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    51 Idlehands

    Well, it wouldn't be Argie navy ships going OR picking up survivors - they are still hiding in port. :o)

    May 23rd, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Things are getting very silly now lol.

    Please keep it serious ,

    CFK has the right to report any abnormalities that she fears the world has the right to know,

    Today, CFK reported to the UN that some suspicious submarines had been spotted loitering in the Portsmouth area, by some loyal argentine tourist,
    And also reports of military ship movements have been noticed by other loyal argentine tourist, in the Plymouth area,

    And that the UN should be aware, that the British are militarising the European channels .

    Just a rumour .

    .

    May 23rd, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    A typical example of the 'militarization' would be to compare the Falklands to somewhere like Saint Helena.

    Nobody is threatening Saint Helena so the British military presence there is negligible. If you don't like a British military presence in the Falklands then stop threatening the islanders.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Totally off the thread, or maybe not so off the thread, I remember years ago, around about 1967/8 being taken to visit HMS Endurance when she was in port in Bs As. We were invited to have a pint of beer in the ward room, I think it was something like “Special Indian Pale Ale”, one pint knocked me out for the rest of the evening.
    A nice memory.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Crikey - we have a pensioner posting on Mercopress! I'm guessing you're the oldest one here.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    56 Idlehands (#)
    May 23rd, 2012 - 02:20 pm

    Come to think about it I probably am!!!

    May 23rd, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Sonon68.

    there are a few of us around - I remember as a child visiting the Ark Royal of the coast in southern Cyprus.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Werther's Original anyone?

    May 23rd, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @58.
    Me too. When I was a kid our school was invited aboard the USS Enterprise. They drove us around the flight deck in a 42 seater coach!!!!

    May 23rd, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    My first car when I 17, was a secondhand Morris Minor MM 1949, headlights in the grille, that cost me £50.

    It was the best £50 I ever spent on a car in my entire life. I ran it for FIVE years before I had to scrap it for serious corrsion of the underbody and I think the scrapman gave me a fiver for it.

    But I am 66 now and living in beautiful Uruguay: how about that?

    May 23rd, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Never owned a Moggie. I thought of buying when when retired in 08. Bought an MG Midget instead. I'm 6'2”, soft top started to rub away what little hair I had left on top, she had to go, sad!!!!

    May 23rd, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @Truth_Telling_Troll

    Never mind hey - I'm glad your all worked up over the submarines' whereabouts. That means it is doing its' job.

    @British Kerchernist - very few people believe that the Argentine govt has any warm feelings for ,or respect for the human rights, of the Falklanders.

    I am also gald you feel outgunned by us - I believe in dealing with enemies like Argentina on the basis of “peace through superior firepower”. Just leave us alone and you'll never see HMS Talent's weapomns used in anger.

    @marcos - YYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!!! what a moron - you're quoting news that is literally years old. Never mind hey- keep on deluding yourself that she is stuck out of action.

    Unlike your failure of a navy, our has a tradition of victory . Last time I checked on HMS Astute she was conducting cruise missile launch drills in the Gulf of Mexico. She posted a warhead through the bullseye. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6adD0EgGtA

    Suck it up Argies.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    63 shb

    Brilliant link, thanks.

    These missiles are precisely what I was on about in 22 ChrisR, above.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    You guys surely cant be that old,

    Im 20 if a day over 30
    I remember the Wright brothers cycling on the cliff tops,
    I remember electric being cabled,
    I remember the old steam ships,
    But I don’t remember yesterday,

    Either I have a very good imagination [mum said]
    I have a time machine,
    Im stretching the truth,
    Or under the OSA, im not allowed to tell you.
    It’s my secret; just me and nelson know the real truth.
    And the Argies will never make me talk,
    Mmmmmmm
    Yes dear im just logging off,
    And yes, this puppy is mar to a ferocious lioness ??

    be happy it only 215 days to Christmas .lol.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    FROM: Chief of Argentine Naval staff. Stop.
    TO: Head of Naval Inellince. BA. Stop.

    I order immediate investigation into British Pirate Misslie Launch. Stop.
    1. Report immediately on how British Pirates manage to light fuse under water. Stop.

    Message Ends. Stop.

    May 23rd, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ernstorm

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012
    2012 The Year We Entered the Tunnel

    Argentina
    “Argentina, having passed an insane “terrorism” bill that labels everyone and anyone who opposes the elected government as terrorists, open for indefinite detention, will face ever growing civil strife and the possibility of civil war. To that end, the government, as every government of its type and as Argentina has done in the past, will seek an external enemy, in this case, the traditional Falkland Islands. That there is great deposits of oil and gas already being exploited will just add to the bonus.

    Argentina will launch another invasion and Britain will respond. However, the English navy is a shadow of its former self and it will not have US intelligence on its back. The Obama will be backing the Argentines and will give them vast intelligence which will cause the British to lose a carrier and several other ships. The Falklands will be occupied and the British will be unable to land reinforcements on it. To make sure it controls the islands, there will be a whole scale cleansing of the British population, placed on transports and sent to the UK.

    No resolutions will pass in the UN, with the US blocking and calling for “cool” heads, while aiding the Argentines.”

    United Kingdom
    “Chaos, war, collapse and the signs of the return of the British. The whole cycle is in wake for the British, with large doses of pain and equal doses of hope. As reported two days ago, over 40,000 businesses look at shut downs in January alone, after another disastrous Christmas season.

    The British will not follow the EU into the Fourth Reich formation, outright, but will hang around on the outskirts for the first half of the year, as the decent begins, unlike Ireland, Greece, Spain and Portugal, the first four that will leave outright.

    When the British are defeated in Argentina, there will be massive unrest in the streets. David Cameron’s government will be able to hang on, however only by slim margins.

    The I

    May 23rd, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @67 What?.......................

    @66 LOL

    Secondary communique follows:

    From UK to Argentina:

    You are embarrasing yourself on the world stage STOP.

    You are telling lies STOP.

    You indoctrinate your own people to believe in a claim to land you never really had entitlement to STOP.

    You threaten the peace and security of the Falklands STOP

    Additionally you treat the islanders as “usurpers”, to be removed or ridden roughshod over as whim takes you STOP.

    If you want to be takes seriously as a mature, stable democracy STOP.

    May 24th, 2012 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    67 - I always suspected the RG History they indoctrinate their children with was pure fantasy. Nice story, debating has now lowered itself to stories. End of arguments RG's run of propaganda.

    Unfortunately future will pan out slightly different.

    May 24th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    67 ernstorm

    Well, you have gotten one thing wrong from the 'get go': we don't even HAVE a carrier. But we don't need one either, not against you lot.

    AND we will STILL stop you cowardly Argies dead in your tracks.

    Have a nice day, keep taking the hallucinogenic drugs.

    May 24th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @67 ernstorm.

    What makes you believe that the USA would back Argentina over the UK?

    At worst they will play the neutral card and not get involved one way or the other.

    However, as Argentina has huge outstanding debts with the US, and are refusing to pay them back, don't count on Obama backing you - especially as he is campaigning for re-election as President. His republican adversaries would crucify him over it, and his backing a barely democratic country over the UK; who doesn't owe them money, has always repaid debts, and has backed them both politically and militarily in the past.

    Besides, since Argentina hasn't got much of a military, just how are you going to invade? And if you tried to invade, Argentina shows itself to the world as the war mongering nation that everyone in South America and Britain knows they are.

    And if their invasion fails, the price of peace this time would be very steep indeed, including the signing of a treaty acknowledging the rights of the people of the Falkland Islands, the fact that sovereignty of the islands are British until such a time as the Islanders no longer wish it, and to disavow Argentina's erronous claims in perpetuity.

    Your whole blog is a very amusing piece of fantasy.

    May 24th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    he is so confident, that he has failed to give us a date, for all this to happen,
    @67 ernstorm
    date please,

    May 24th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @67 ernstorm
    Try Dungeons and Dragons, I think you will find it a much better fantasy adventure game than the one you must currently be playing.

    May 24th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    73 reality check,

    Below is the link to the fantasy page that ernstorm copied and pasted.
    It is quite hilarious.
    http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com.ar/2012/01/2012-year-we-entered-tunnel.html

    May 24th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @74 Simon68
    Plagiarism at its worse. Your right, it is hilarious.

    May 24th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    74 Simon68

    I am still trying tomake up my mind whether that site is a joke, OR, being The Rodina he is actually serious and therefore a complete nutter.

    But plagiarism of the highest order by ernstorm, or was it Mat Rodina himself?

    May 24th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    just more anti british crap.

    May 24th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Argentina unilaterly disarmed er had its airforce shot up and navy ship sunk by the british and not replaced because cfk doesnt trust the rg military

    May 24th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ernstorm

    Wednesday, January 11, 2012
    2012 The Year We Entered the Tunnel

    United Kingdom
    “Chaos, war, collapse and the signs of the return of the British. The whole cycle is in wake for the British, with large doses of pain and equal doses of hope. As reported two days ago, over 40,000 businesses look at shut downs in January alone, after another disastrous Christmas season.

    The British will not follow the EU into the Fourth Reich formation, outright, but will hang around on the outskirts for the first half of the year, as the decent begins, unlike Ireland, Greece, Spain and Portugal, the first four that will leave outright.

    When the British are defeated in Argentina, there will be massive unrest in the streets. David Cameron’s government will be able to hang on, however only by slim margins.

    The Islamics, never missing a chance to make enemies, will be out in force mocking the defeated British. This will of course feed into the various right wing nationalists groups.

    When the Turkish war explodes, the British will ever willingly to join in behind the Americans, as part of the NATO force. However, after losing several combat ships, they will back out quickly, as internal decent will bring down the government. Right wing Nationalists will grab for power, rallying around the monarchy, specifically the crown princes. The rest of the year will see street riots and battles with various Islamic groups and mass deportations by the new government.”

    http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/

    May 24th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    If Obama ever backed Argentina against Britain, Britain could say f**k NATO, and tell him to leave Diego Garcia and Ascension.

    It isn't gonna happen

    . Urgentina is of little use to the USA, the UK is. Obama needs to win an election and it would be quite easy for Cameron to express support for the Republicans, who would not side against the UK. Even if Obama told the Argies where our forces were, what could Urgentina do? Their airforce and airfelds would be smashed, their whole navy sunk and if the UK holds MPA for two days, Tornado GR4's and more Typhoons would turn up. If the airfield was taken out, Urgentina would need ships to land their forces, and these would quickly end up supporting the ocean bed flora and fauna before they even sighted the Jasons.

    May 24th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Gentlemen
    Why worry
    Lets be truthful, abet stupid argie extremist and the Spanish,
    We have had relative peace for over 60 years,
    That means, for all under say 70, have never experienced war on a big scale,

    These stupid CFK supporters and Spanish fools, have absolutely no idea what it is, they think it is just a game,
    These youngsters think computer games are the real thing,
    If this goes pear shaped, these children are in for a very nasty time,

    We say, after 60 years of peace, perhaps its time to set the record straight,
    Just a thought.
    [p/s]
    Replies to CFK please

    .

    May 25th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SussieUS

    Comment removed by the editor.

    May 25th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @SussieUS

    You first.

    You sum up why Argentina will never get anything from us and why we hold you in contempt as a country on this issue.

    You are full of bile and empty threats.

    You are totally impotent to do anything about us in person or on the issue of the Falklands.

    ha ha ha.

    May 26th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    SussieUS (#) 82 - You stay classy Sussie, lady boys have a hell of a temper!

    May 26th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Well hellooooo Soozy Sausage,
    Aren't we a spitefull little vixen today.
    l actually think that you're a man.
    You sound very much like Martin_Fierro.
    l'd give you my phone number but l just couldn't be bothered with trying to make conversation with an idiot.
    ls BLACK CAT correct? Are you infact a ladyboy? Don't be shy.
    We understand. snigger, chortle, giggle♥

    May 26th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    #85 Isolde - Sussie longtime cant answer your post at the moment as he is waiting for his finger nail polish to dry ;-) either that or he is cramming for his school exams.

    May 26th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    just on,,
    and suzzy has been expelled, so no idea what she has been crying abt,
    but as she cant speak English, do we really care .

    May 26th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SussieUS

    @87 briton (#)
    You are extending you stupidity on this web page for the next 4 years. Forget it about the islands and the argentine leader. I want to meet you in my country cara a cara, you don't want to confront me because you are Skare, Why? Are you a brit? Are you real;y scare of this Susanita Brown? ....You stupid fucker!....

    May 26th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Well, there we have it from straight out of the mouth of .........put your own descriptor here.

    Susanita Brown - oh dear.

    May 26th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Well, there we have it from straight out of the mouth of .........put your own descriptor here
    , the little one speaks,

    the little one crys
    suzzy bends over,
    and takes all the guys .

    May 26th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    briton, you are poet!
    l'm hopeless at poetry.
    Oh well, nobody's perfect.

    May 26th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    88 SussieUS (#) No it's more to do with grown ups fighting with school children like yourself can land them in trouble.

    May 27th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    91 lsolde
    Practise makes perfect,
    And im sure you would do very well.

    88 SussieUS
    We are un flattered that you think the British, are your idea action men,

    But sadly, YOU are not our ideal Barbie girl,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Come back in 20 years lol.
    .

    May 27th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • row82

    Please support our Keep the Falklands British page on fb, just sign in and click the like button to subscribe -

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=3

    May 29th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    3.1 million British children to be poor by 2013 in Britain and The British Navy is parading their billion Pound toys around the Oceans...pathetic...

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-15242103

    May 29th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    95 aussie raincloud

    Back then I see, did the Aussies (ha ha ha) let you out of the slammer then?

    And what has the crap you have listed 'that might happen' got to do with the navy?

    You don't go down to Coles to buy a Type 45, they take years to come to fruition.

    But hey, I must apologise to you for expecting your limited intelligence to figure that out without me having to explain it.

    May 29th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SussieUS

    @Briton aka brittish buldog=Asshole
    You and las suecas Yncere, la uruguaya con concha cuadrada, Think with the thin teets made of ink and Isolda have the same box capable of irrigating the islands 100 times daily....

    May 29th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    How charming Sussie! You seem to have run out of interesting things to say.
    Years ago, actually.

    May 29th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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