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Insulza hopeful OAS assembly will reach a consensus on the Malvinas issue
OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza said he expects a consensus is reached on the Falklands/Malvinas issue next week when the Organization of American States general assembly, following the lack of agreement at the last Summit of the Americas in Colombia. Read full article
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May 31st, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
May 31st, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2: What's a “glove tavern”? I think you might be a little confused with your naming of Falklands' landmarks...
May 31st, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 And promote an innacurate version of history (as usual).
May 31st, 2012 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self-determination- or none of us are free.
May 31st, 2012 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't see Canada or the USA agreeing with whatever the South Americans come up with.
May 31st, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0It'll be the usual “bilateral dialogue” statement.
And who cares what the OAS says anyway? It's not as though it has any importance in the world!
May 31st, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The OAS can reach a consensus on Argentine sovereignty of the moon for all we care. Knock yourselves out :)
May 31st, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK can invoke the UN Charter to protect the islands and the people and can walk into court at the ICJ and fully vindicate the islanders rights and the context in which they acquired them and flatten any claim argentina has managed to dream up. It's a no brainer even if Argentina has a few emerging nations to back its tenous cause or not.
May 31st, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 - Exactly lets got to the ICJ and see the facts laid out. I wonder why the RG's have never played that card.....Why.... because the facts and history is on the Falkland Islanders side.
May 31st, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand Insulza's point why a consensus can be reached by foreign ministers in Cochabamba that did not happen by heads of state/government in Cartagena.
May 31st, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain can only observe at the OAS General Assembly in Cochabamba, so the Falkland Islands will not be represented by their own voice. Hopefully, same as at Cartagena, Canada and US will thwart any consensus against the Falklands when discussing item 9,“The Question of the Malvinas Islands” [sic].
Undoubtedly, Britain will be observing at the Cochabamba OAS General Assembly meeting and emails from commenters who wish to show solidarity for Falkland Islanders right to self-determination could email to Rachel Edis, listed as the UK Permanent Observer to the OAS, at: rachel.edis@fco.gov.uk
Reference:
Agenda item 9, “The Question of the Malvinas Islands” [sic], page 4 of Draft Agenda of Forty-First Regular Session of the General Assembly:
http://scm.oas.org/IDMS/Redirectpage.aspx?class=AG/CP/doc.&classNum=794&lang=e
So how do they think that any resolution regarding the falklands would be valid or binding on the UK or the falklands themselves when they are not a member of the OAS? Such a resolution would be no more then writing on a roll of toilet paper and will have no impact on the falklands or the UK's stance.
May 31st, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 Teaboy2: I don't think OAS resolutions are “binding”, and their validity only goes so far as to “hold each other accountable on a range of issues.” But the idea for CFK and her “tercermundista” ilk is to continue Argentina's “name and shame” campaign against Britain and the Falkland Islands OCT. You can get some idea of the bias of the OAS by seeing they just lable the Falkland Islands as “Malvinas” in English - not even the UN's politically-correct Falkland Islands/Malvinas.
May 31st, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OAS 2011 “Malvinas” [sic] resolution on page 6:
CP/RES. 1002 (1852/12):
http://www.oas.org/consejo/resolutions/res1002.asp
Correction: the Agenda item 9 link to OAS 2012 GA agenda is at:
http://www.oas.org/consejo/resolutions/res1002.asp
OAS What we do: http://www.oas.org/consejo/resolutions/res1002.asp
Looks like a self-aggrandisement committee to me.
May 31st, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If OAS investigated the matter instead of listening to Argentine whims which are historical and based on repeated untruths, they would reach a conclusion that:
May 31st, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(i) Argentina has no legal or moral right to the Falkland Islands
(ii) Argentine demands for decolonization are at odds with the principle of self-determination
Argentine claims are based solely on geographical nearness only and are therefore irrelevant.
This will go on and on and on, like a washing machine,
May 31st, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps as I have said before,
The British should fully integrate all bots into great Britain,
As whilst all this is going on, you aint going to get anywhere .
Oh no! Not yet another pointless committee with the same group of countries as all of the others making a statement that will have zero effect.
May 31st, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know these committees have zero value when they allow themselves to be continually derailed by the crazy one rather than tackling the important issues that could make a difference.
Besides these committees as ever are a bunch of countries playing you scratch my back and I will scratch yours as opposed to a serious and respectful group of countries trying to achieve a meaningful outcome.
16 briton: “British should fully integrate all bots into great Britain”
May 31st, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to have been self-determination path chosen, perhaps as a result of many decades of British experience with “de-colonizing” the old empire, whereas French and Spanish appear to opted for complete integration of their overseas territories, to become totally part of the continental nation (with exceptions such as New Caledonia). Probably not impossible for the Falkland Islands, if they so chose, and if Britain agrees, to go with the French “collectivité” model of full integration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_collectivity
18 JohnN
May 31st, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idea is very good and relevant in the current situation,
How much crap do you hear about the French or Spanish, and others, [nil zilch zero?]
Yes self determination is /was best, but in the current situation fully integration could and will kill of any claims,
Then just wait for say 50 odd years, and then try again,
The alternative, is the islanders asking for independence, now,, and then what will happen,
Yes the British may defend you [for now]
But as an independent nation, how simple will it be for future corrupt politicians to say, [ect ect ect sorry]
And we both know what that means, you will be fore ever looking west,
British integration at this time, would end it, and perhaps the islanders, should consider it, inherently, and consider the wider complication or the [alternative]
Just my opinion, but if I was an islander, I would call for a meeting / vote, then approach the British government . to end this once and for all, before corrupt politicians and organisations do it for them
You should always be with us ..
19 briton (#)
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 31st, 2012 - 11:22 pm
I don't think integration is the answer, that would change the Islanders' way of life too much. Think about it: they would have to pay UK taxes, come under UK mailand law, would lose their rights to existing FIG taxes, etc.
In the end I still believe that independence with an inicial agreement between UK and the FIG to continue with existing defense system would be the real answer, even if the Islanders on Mercopress are against the idea because of my country's bullying, I'm sure something of that ilk could be worked out.
The main problem and obstacle to her independence, is in fact argentina,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now to have an agreement that stated Argentina would remove the offending article from her constitution , and guarantees the integrity and freedom of independence, and promises never to interfere , sound great, it is probably what they all want,
The Falklands now an independent country,
Argentine now recognises this ,
And great Britain, reduces the military presents, as this would no longer seem irrelevant,
And we all go home to watch east enders ,
[Time rolls on]
What then happens if Argentina changes her mind
What if Argentina renegades on the agreement,
What if after a couple of years, [whack] argie troops thus land on the islands ,
A whole world of what if, opens up,
Now considering all the disgraceful attitude the islanders have had to put up with, the threats the intimidation and the abuse,
We ask you honestly,
Would you trust them?
Would you take independence on a promise?
If you follow history as your guide to the future We say you would not,
But of course I could well be wrong, totally wrong,
But I doubt it.
Thanks
21 briton (#)
Jun 01st, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:22 pm
As long as there is a British Defense force on the Islands, Argentina will not attack.
This is a fact.
We don't have the ability to achieve a landing on a defended beachhead.
So, I repeat there is no danger to the Island population as long as there is a Defense force on the Islands.
Thus, if an agreement with the British Government could be signed, independence with continued British defense for a specified period of time, perhaps 10, 20, or 30 years, would seem to be a real possibility.
The advantage of independence is that Argentina would have to forget her stupid claim and FI would become a sovereign memeber of the UN. Thus if Argentina ever did attack again, the whole world would fall on her head, not just Think's “sky”.
Anyhow that's the way I see it, but it's not my place to say anything really, it's up to the FIG and the Islanders.
Does anyone here want to meet up for some drinks? Later...who knows...we'll see.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But none of us can predict the future,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just out of interest,
Another island [British] was given independence, with the agreement that [3] countries would guarantee their independence,
And after independence was granted, and with TWO British military bases on the island, including [additional] royal navy station,
Consisting of a couple thousand British troops and navy ships,
This island was promptly invaded within 10 years of independence, and
That island is still cut in two today, and it still has two British military bases, and a navy station.
[Any ideas as to this island is]
And we are talking about after 1950s,
And still cut in half today .
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easy. Cyprus.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like the Cypriots, they have a very varied outlook on sexuality.
Simon68 is talking sense, like to hear from our Island friends and get their view, after all it is their future we are discussing.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet they are not bothered about French Guiana
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24 Cyprus?
Thanks
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We knew you guys would get it,
As for the islanders,
There decision will be final.
Out of interest, I got this of my other blogg/sites,
BOSSANO REMINDS C24 ECUADOR SEMINAR OF SPAIN’S COLONIAL HISTORY
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25058
and out of interest.
After visiting the 1897 review, Rudyard Kipling was moved to compose the poem Recessional. The Empire was at its apogee but there were intimations of decline.
Britain, a maritime nation dependent on the sea lanes, has allowed its blue-water navy to melt away. The reckoning awaits.
Give Cyprus back, give Gibraltar back, give Hawaii back, give mashall islands back. colonialist pigs.
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New article just released by Pascoe and Pepper:
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“False Falklands History at the United Nations: how Argentina misled the UN in 1964 and still does”: http://falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
29 Marcos Alejandr0
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you been using ever ready batteries again.
CYPRUS, is an independent country, and has been for decades.
Gibraltar, wishes to remain British [freely
Hawaii, is NOT a British colony, it is an American state,
Marshal islands, freely wish to remain who they are .
There is no such pigs called colonialist,
bye
@29 Argentina=colonialist pigs. Give the land back to the people you stole it from=the Amerindians.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also @29 courtesey of @30 John N = falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
@31 I think he may have the Sovereign Base Areas in mind when he writes about Cyprus.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hawaii is for the Hawaiians, what about Guam? California is Mexican, need i say more?
Jun 04th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 033
Jun 04th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as we can clearly see , they are getting more and more desperate .
you gave hong kong to china when you didn't need to (it was yours) and it had a bigger British community than the Malvinas so why not give it to Argentina and end hostilities.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wrong again,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wrong in what way?
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China was a completely different kettle of fish,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And as different from the Falklands as chalk and cheese,
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But it proves you can give things back.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely old boy
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we did give you back what was yours after 1982,
We gave you your military and equipment back, did we not ,
Sadly the islands we could not give back, as they were not yours in the first place,
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We will take what is ours. Not now but in the future. It is our right.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0absolutely old boy
Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can take , remove destroy buy and sell everything within the landmass of argentina,
Sadly you will observe that Chile brazil and the British Falklands, are NOT argentine .
Thanks
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