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Young Falkland Islanders want to present strong message to Cristina Fernandez
A group of young Falkland Islanders hope to present Argentine President Cristina Fernandez with a firm message at the UN in New York that they want to remain British subjects and continue their current way of life. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWill CFK even acknowledge a group of islanders that clearly don't want to be Argentine?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0They should try and put her on the spot.
Well the C24 have already stated that this is a sovereignty issue and not a decolonisation issue. So not only are C24 anachronistic, but even if they still held any importance, they have effectively said that the Falkland Islands are not their responsibility.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good. That is the decolonisation argument settled assuming that KFC still recognise C24 as any kind of authority. But seeing as this kills one of her cornerstone arguments she will probably sweep them aside as having no authority over Argentina.
I do take issue with the statement that young Falklanders voices are being drowned out by the arguments between the UK and Argentina though. Argentina is TRYING to argue with the UK. The UK government is referring Argentina to the Falklands Islands government. The UK isn't arguing with anybody. The UK is simply clarifying their position in support of the Falkland Islanders whatever decision that they make and that is a matter for the younger generations.
I sense an imminent huff.....
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shine on you Falkland Islanders.......
(I thought I would paraphrase Pink Floyd - just to p*** off Roger Waters)
The Argenswine president will make sure she is not present when its the Falklands people turn to speak in protest as not to recognize them or their arguement but mainly not to be put on the spot.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I wish you the best of luck and enjoy your Liberation day.
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
@2 War Monkey
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Well the C24 have already stated that this is a sovereignty issue and not a decolonisation issue.'
Can you send me the link where you read this please.
Yes mate it is right here on Mercopress. Surprised you missed it:
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/12/c24-chair-says-falklands-issue-is-over-sovereignty-not-exactly-decolonization
Huzzah, so we can take that quote to the next decolonization committee and say “ok, job done boys, go home.”? Awesome :p
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the time the FI delegation appears the argentine president will be long gone.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if decolonization is not an issue now if Argentina gain them it would then become an issue and they would have to be decolonized?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland are British and will stay that way as long as the islanders like!
Good luck Kelpers! You have my support, just do me one favour put that botox bitch in her palce and put her on the spot where she will be forced to either acknollege you exisit and hence be the first modern Argentine politician to do so or risk looking like a stoppy teenager who has been told she cant have what she wants. I know which one my money is on!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland are British and will stay that way as long as the islanders like!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
The pirates brits wants some justice!!
AHAHAHHAHAHAH
Poor deluded ex empire.....
uk is FINISHED!
Anyway who cares about the pirates living in MAlvinas???
We already have justice Marv. We already have the Falklands Marv!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0malv your such a tit
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But he is consistent. You have to give him that.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like he's practicing for “International Speak Like a Pirate Day”
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Robert Newton was probably the definitive Long John Silver so, Malvi, go and rent a DVD and keep practicing. These days, Somali is the international pirate language, I think
Aaaaaahhhh Jim Lad! .....Pieces of Eight! Pieces of Eight!
Next week: Malvi as Dr Evil - stay tuned
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9326833/Falkland-Islands-plan-referendum-to-send-a-message-to-Argentina.html
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Referendum to be held in the FI on their future.
Ah well, looks like the RG's will have their way after all. As we know the islanders are Argentine, are being kept against their wishes, held hostage by the British troops and if international monitors are allowed in as part of the vote then this will finally be laid out for the world too see.
Or maybe not......
@16 I was just reading that, great timing too. KFCs rant is just completely nonsensical before the outcome of this referendum, making her look an even bigger tit.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now she'll have to tell her buddies on the C24 to ignore the principles of democracy too, not just human rights.
@16 I just finished reading the Telegraph article about the referendum and rushed over to share the laugh but I see you got here before me :-)
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This whole affair gets more like a South American soap-opera by the day.
“Como arena pasando a traves de una ampolleta, asi son las dias de nuestros vidas”.
@18 Still wondering how she's going to spin this one into suggesting that democracy doesn't apply to the islanders, because they're not a people, and populations don't deserve democracy.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All to the rapturous applause of the chairman of the C25 no doubt.
This referendum will certainly displease the UN Decolonization committee and may upstage the CFK strut on 14 June:
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reference:
Falkland Islands to hold referendum on political future:
http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=354:falkland-islands-to-hold-referendum-on-political-future
Stop British taxpayers’ money supporting World Bank loans to Argentina
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sign the goverment petition:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
@20 How could something 100% in line with the UN Charter, 1514 and the mandate of C24 possibly displease the members of the committee?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wait...
I wish the young delegation well and hope that they do get their chance to have their views listened to. However, this is looking more and more unlikely as already mentioned as CFK will have to fly back home to be with her sick son who has just developed complications with his sceptic knee that suddenly moved into his testicles.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12, 13, 14, 15. Should we really blame him? He's just reading (?) from a script. Hands up anyone who thinks he's (Malvinero1) got a brain? And for the small group that put up their hands: Hands up anyone that thinks he's got a brain that works. Beyond the level of ”Food. Eat. (Slurp) No, it's sh*te. (Slurp)”
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enough of that. Can we turn to the vexed question of whether we can use slag, or a slag, to fill in glass craters? I say that a slag, such as CFK, can be cut up into strips and small pieces and, mixed with polystyrene, will go a long way toward filling the holes. And thereby, for the first time, fulfill a useful purpose.
Does anybody understand why argies don't realise what tossers they are? Big (40 million), powerful place like argieland puffs itself up like a pigeon. Little (3,140) nation says “---- off”. And off it scuttles. But that's not all, is it? Argieland has accumulated “supporters”. So it now has an “alliance” of around 400 million people. And still, a little (3,140) nation says “---- off”. And off it scuttles. Still “little nation” has a backup. 62 million Brits. No wonder argieland scuttles off. Lying, thieving toe-rags!
@23 I think it's a “septic” knee but I like your version better - it's more surreal
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colonial domination is made possible by the negation of national reality,by new legal relations introduced by the occupying power,by the banishment of the natives and their customs to outlying districts by colonial society and by expropriation....
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It can not be determined whether International Law will be able to dismantle the colonial apparatus that has strangled too many peoples for decades.In the meantime the imperial ambitious that ultimately destroyed many people can not be denied any longer.
Wonder what the referendum question will be? 3 options possibly? Will be entertaining to see if the Argentinian option gets a single vote? Didn't last time they did this there was one vote for Argentina and it was someone who did it for a bet?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0La Campora Internet employees won't be able to vote in this one.
Hope they also listen to Cristina's “message of peace” and urge real dialogue on the intransigent ConDem government
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0message of peace god Bk you crack me up, ever thought of being a stand up comedian
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 ahhh the message of peace. That would be different to the message which goes
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“we want to colonize a set of islands and their people who have lived there peacefully for 9 generations against their will and impose our rule of law on those people and ransack their resources”
@23 Are we sure that CFKs son is Argentine ? You mention testicles and I had no idea that RGs had any. Still if they have, then a septic knee moving into them (hopefully as hard as possible) sounds good.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Max (#)
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:36 pm
Corr! Did you think that al up by yourself?
@28 Not British Kirchnerist.
I notice you put 'message of peace' into inverted commas. It is good to see that even brain dead sycophants get irony now and again.
26 Maxi
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To help you along in your future endeavours. http://www.trojanmice.com/randomjargongenerator.htm
How to use the generator
Select any phrase in Column A and combine it with any other from each of Columns B, C and D to produce an instant conference remark which will impress the audience with your learning and easy acquaintance with contemporary issues. Or string an a number of phrases together to produce a mind numbing report.
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Or another:
”Semantics apart (A), culture-bound learning experiences (B) may be under-rated in (C) grassroots programmes (D)”.
Each phrase is of course rubbish but it takes a brave person to challenge you.
Is it best just to pretend he hasn't posted?
New York vacation
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new generation:
“Andrew Pollard@FalklandsAndyP
”Tea and cake with Prince William earlier, explained to him that i am on crutches because i fell in a penguin burrow. local knowledge aye!“
The old generation
Mike Summers
” Certainly at the closing of my speech I will be inviting everybody present to toast the Freedom of the Falklands. Whether everybody will join in I am not quite sure”
Let's get drunk LOL
http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6264&source=3
26 Max
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've seen all those words before...just not in that order, if I was playing bullsh*t bingo, Your post would have given me a full house!! Thanks for that........
To help out everyone on this website, I have decided to answer for them thus saving everyone else the effort of having to reply to them so here goes:-
It's about this time that Malvi-baby will weight in with something along the lines of :-
AAAAAAHHHHHHH YOUR FINISHED NOW BRIT PIRATES!!!
and then sussieUS will say :-
All brits are deformed, ( random rant ) ( insert totally meaningless story about David Cameron here )
Then Think would say:-
There position is in-defensable, in 300 BC the Argentine general essembly recognised.....blah,blah,blah!!
And then British_Kirchnerist will say:-
My Queen will look so regal, I wonder what she will wear?? ( Faun, faun, disgusting display of toadying )
Did I miss anyone out.................?
http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/falklands-referendum/
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done the FIG for setting the agenda for a change, you will show the world ,loud and clear,that you want nothing to do with a country that is trying an economic blockade.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can shout and scream but will never have the Falklands.
I have always said that the islanders should be included in the negotiations too, beyond the laws of the international right, and beyond the historic facts that both parts argue all the time, the islanders are not guilty for what happened in 1833.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the messagge of these young islanders, seems as intransigent as what they criticise from the argentine posture. They dont express that both parts should dialogue in order to find a peaceful and fair solution for the three parts of the conflict, they only manifest that they want to keep on being subjects of the british crown, no more.
On the other hand, when i read the arguments of the councellours from the islands, and of the forists who publish comments here everyday, i can see that unfortuatelly they dont realise about the doble standart that they use when they criticise the argentine posture. According to thir opinions, the only one outcome for argentina, is that the islands were totally transfered to our country, because in the reform of our constitution of1994, it was incorporated an article that is related to our claim for the islands, which expresses that arg. must recover the full sovereignty of the arhcipelago. However after 1982, the islanders and the u. k, have always manifest that they are dispossed to discuss about different issues with arg., but not the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, this is evident that for you, there is only one outcome for this conflict, so, you are doing exactly the same, than what you criticise from the argentine posture.
In my opinion, beyond what our constitution says about our claim, the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., beside, it never invoked the right to self determination for the islanders, like it did for others colonial situations, all the resolutions have always called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, no more, that's what these young people should ask cristina.
36 Saphira
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one DC. But stop using the phrase 'absolutely right'. It is so fxxking annoying.
Well ax it's very nice of you to think of the people who actually live there how very gracious of you and you are right. It is not their fault that Argentina placed a small garrison and a penal colony there in 1832 without the permission of the British authorities.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just two things though. We cannot return to Argentina something that never belonged to Argentina and none of this is any of your business.
Please check out the new fb page dedicated to honouring the memory of all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and keeping the islands free for future generations to Desire the Right. Please click the LIKE button on the page to subscribe - https://www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0axel there is no arguement the people of the FALKLAND ISLANDS wish to remain British which bit don't you understand, however, we are not constantly harrassing, sabre rattling and spouting crap like CFK and her cronies, why do we need to negotiate something that is as clear as the plastic nose on CFK's face
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop all funding to this corrupt country called Argentina bring down this corrupt country and all who govern Argentina.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Sign the form now
@38 Axel.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the Falkland Islanders who should make the decision as to what happens to them and their Islands, not the British or Argentinians.
The referemdum will be interesting- International Independent Monitors will be invited to come and watch and satisfy themeselves all is done democratically and freely.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those Monitors will be probably invited to come from the UN - OAS and EU - so they will thus then have to decide - do they agree with Democracy yes or no - as if they come they will be saying - yes we agree with the principle of the democratic vote.
So then - where will this leave Argentina? - International Independent Bodies end up accepting that the result is fair - and assuming it is a hefty No to Argentina - what does she then do - other than I expect, rant on about “implanted peoples”!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Axel- one simple problem - we do NOT want Arg Sovereignty is whatever shape or form you wrap it up in. and your constitution says that our Islands must belong to Argentina full stop.
Arg has NO negotiating flexibility - it has put itself in a corner before anybody could even start if they wanted to. We are not going to give OUR Homeland and Birthright of many generations to anybody just because they say so!
Exactly dont live there dont get a say.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well said islander1, understand yet axel? no thought not!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Islander1 and anyother islanders
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to go completely off topic, I am just curious to understand the extent of the blockade: can you buy Chilean wine down there?
How much does a bottle of a good Carmenere Reserva cost?
Does anyone think that CFK will:
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. sit and listen to these young people of the Falklands
2. bolt for the doors once she's said her piece and shamelessly used Argentine veterans to gain her a few political points
3. Talk all the way through their presentation hoping no one can hear them
4. Burst into tears about poor Maximos knee
5. Fake a heart attack
6. start a fire in the prison laundry room and make her escape
7. storm off in faux anger regarding the 'evil pirates'
Anyone want to hazard a guess?
49 LEPRecon (#) Yes Number 7 then a flight to Caracas
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0axel is mindfurked to think that in 1833 the islands were somehow Argentinian. He refuses to discuss everything that happened before 1833 because it causes him to nearly have a nervous breakdown. Before 1833 they were British, and the penal colony was on British land. Their military exploits in Antarctica were also on land that was long previously British. They don't seem to understand this though.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's normal for people like him. That's why they think they own South Georgia.
Oi Axel, want to tell us the logical behind why Argentina owns South Georgia and the other islands? (expect no logic)
At least Axel's post makes sense grammatically, is polite and makes his point reasonably
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes a change from some of the recent rants
49 LEPRecon
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or, at the “Last minute” Laughing boy Timmerman might step up to the plate instead so she can watch what happens from the side lines.......
@52
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you.
There are people on both sides that have rants and tantrums.
@53 Timmerlady will just use the typical Israeli line of how it's not their land and it was quite right to break into their house, shoot all the males, and then bulldoze the house and build a housing community ringfenced by a massive wall, while the original owners get forced into a waterless refugee camp and labelled terrorists.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He wants to do the same with the Falkland islanders because, it's in his genes.
@55
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What have the Israeli's got to do with it???
@56
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) Timmerlady is one, and big in with the NYC Israeli community.
b) They were staunch allies of the Argentinians during Falklands War I, and presumably the next one.
c) Their modus operandi is shared by the Argentinians, in attempting to create some kind of apartheid in an attempt to ethnically cleanse people off land that you consider yours just because you do, motivated by long prior unprovable historical events and well-stoked nationalism.
d) I can think of some more later if you want.
Thanks.
@10 Engineer LOST....
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look who is talking about not having monies during his younger years..
....he is so incompetent ...the only job he can find is working in my country....
No mining experience with any company from the US...
no one will hire him... fake degree, no experience...difficulties in expressing in english....severe depression.... skinny looking rat...
@58 Argentina is not your country. Your country is USA. Stop having some kind of episode where you regress back into having pride in a country you abandoned and just get over it.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is, he's got more connection with Argentina than you do, and that makes you sad.
The referendum will be excepted in all democracy’s,
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But ignored by dictatorships,
CFK has no interest in peace or its meaning,
There is only one way to settle this irritation,
And once again, it’s the innocent, who will suffer,
And the guilty parties will run and hid, with all the billions it’s stolen,
And her puppets will just stand there in awe, and wet themselves,
Typical losers.
.
@58
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow Cinderella chill out. Its not like your life is on the line. After all Argentina is still a huge country with an embarrassment of natural resources and opportunity. 70 years of bad management is not the fault of Falkland Islanders nor the British.
Unfortunately I feel this will be an utter waste of time for the Falkland representatives. Either they will be ignored, patronised or set up to look bad by this pathetic excuse of a meeting by the gringo hating gravy train riding bureaucrats.
The referendum proposal is a good idea and might make the UN committed to clearly back the Islanders right to self determination and garner greater global support for their cause. Though should they get the official backing of the UN Argentina of course will quickly demonstrate how the UN is not to be taken seriously.
Can't wait for the plastic nazi to rant and rave, tinhead to make wild rambling obsurd claims. unfortunately they will spin the propaganda as another victory, the world will look on in pity for colonial argentina, poor, humiliated, looooosers. Vote by the islanders is the next step and will be supported by the un
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that UN C-24 (link below) lables the participating Falkland Islanders as “petitioners” (and that Falklands will be on for 3pm, 14 June). Curious why CFK isn't included as a petitioner for Argentina, when we know that she will be speaking, and that Argentina isn't a member of the C-24. Double standard at work?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt that sovereignty will likely be seen by C-24 as sovereignty of Argentina being jeopardized by UK, and not that the UK is cooperating with the Falkland Islands to develop the Islands' own sovereignty.
Reference:
SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON DECOLONIZATION APPROVES TEXTS ON HEARINGS REQUESTS FROM NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES, DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2012/gacol3237.doc.htm
The UN is a waste of time and space,
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And CFK knows it,
They all look at the UNs record, and laugh,
It has no power to do nothing.
But hey, if it is to be humiliated and destroyed, then let the like of Argentina do it,
Then they and others will have no complaint,
When in future, others ignore international law, and abuse them,
They will have no one to cry to,
Will they.
[you wont miss it, untill its gone .]
48 Condorito (#) “Sorry to go completely off topic, I am just curious to understand the extent of the blockade: can you buy Chilean wine down there?”
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 06 months ago you could.... but with screw tops.... so it had come via the UK. Also Australian, South African, Napa Valley...
Towards the end of the year Chilean bottles with corks were re-appearing.... some blockade :)
65 Frank
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for obliging me. I am trying to gauge the impact of the “blockade” on essential items like, er.. wine. Has it pushed prices up?
What does a good “reserve” quality bottle cost in the shops?
@59 Greek Yogurt @ 61 Tobers
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat, check the facts on the internet about my dual nationalities..I can reside in each country when I feel like it. If you don't like my comments you have the choice to ignore it....
I rather see the argentine leader than you UK PM David Cameron, a
46 years old drunk whimp not caring about his CHILD LEFT IN A PUB....
perhaps the brits should blockade argentina ,
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then sit back, and justwait .
@28 Nothing to discuss.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Nothing to negotiate. I'll help you to a small extent. The Islands are BRITISH. The BRITISH were there LONG before anything vaguely like argieland existed. The Spanish “claim” would be irrelevant if they made one because BRITISH actions overtook it. There are, undoubtedly, continuing negotiations. But they are between the British government and the Falkland Islands government as to when the Islands will become fully independent. You can see that argieland has no place in anything to do with the Falkland Islands.
@63 I “think” the answer to your question is that the Falkland Islands is/are not a member of the UN. You have to read through the relevant parts of the Charter to get the sense of it. Of course, sovereignty is not within C24's remit. Personally, I have dropped an email to my MP with a link to http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/12/c24-chair-says-falklands-issue-is-over-sovereignty-not-exactly-decolonization and that this may be a good time for a British special representative to attend the C24 and DEMAND (good old argie word) that the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar are removed from the C24 list.
The legacies of Colonialism have shaped the state of human existence today.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Issues such as poverty,inequality and oppressions are deeply rooted in Colonial History...and reinforced by present day Neo-Colonial practices
Though largely unknown ,the experience of some Islanders provides the parable within which historical trajectories of racism,imperialism intersect.Through their transformation from island to military base became a microcosm of worldwide structures of power and domination.
This backdrop neccesitated the use of secret agreements and deceitful tactics by the two concerned powers UK and US.
@ axel arg
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your views.
Personally I think its important to hear the Argentine views as there are thousands in his country who share similar opinions, it helps me to understand their mind set. Also unlike Marcos and Malvinero1 he is polite and contributes something useful to the debate.
Axel just out of interest...
What do you think would be a fair solution?
max thats brilliant Haaaahaaa................................NOT are you CFK's knee in disguise
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders could be exiled at the hands of dominant powers.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore their back experiences provides some insight into whether law can ever meet the needs of last empowered.
The Domestic Legal System of Britain could arguably fail to address the Islanders' likely grievances to date and it is currently premature to determine whether a challenge in either ways will be successful.
Moreover as illustrated ,the overriding forces can serve to expose a side of law that is intimately linked with the political and accordingly skewed by circumstances of the time.
Rarely do Post-Colonial states or peoples address their grievances in the legal arena against their previous colonial powers...hence such a development demand attention when it does occur. !
Oh do f*ck Max you are fulll of sh!t.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 74
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK legal system......not me !
Max do shut up you sound more desperate every time you type, clutching at straws springs to mind. Tell me what likely grievances do the islanders have against the UK, now if you said argenweener that I could understand
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 76
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read again posts ( 70 ...73 ) ...........
@73 What a load of shite you talk Max.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Max, if that drivel has any real meaning then it's pertinent to the rest of South America, not to the Falklands. You tit.
yes max and still makes no sense so I ask again what grievences do the Islanders have against the UK
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 79
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read again posts ( 70 ...73 ) ............
66 Condorito (#)
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What does a good “reserve” quality bottle cost in the shops?”
Oh you would have to ask someone a bit more upmarket than me for that info... maybe Isolde or Monty....
I tend to buy on price .... about $3.000 to $4.000 when in Chile although I have been known to drink box Gato Negro but draw the line at Clos and 120 ........
Amazing that Arg wine in RG TdF has reduced tax. Comes with a sticker on the neck 'Para ser consumido exclusivementeen la provincia de tierra del fuego, antartida e islas del atlantico sur'. ( just read that off the neck of a bottle of Santa Julia Cab Sav which I will be drinking a long way from la RG provincia de tierra del fuego... thanks for the discount KFC)
Guess they have to keep the peons in cheap grog to see them through the power shortages... seems this will be a very hard winter in the south .
@ 66 Condorito
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Stanley a 1.5 litre box of carmenere is £4-£5.
@ 80 Max
Why don't you try ASKING us if this is true instead of TELLING us it is. Then we would put you straight and you would not make a fool of yourself. I am sick of people like you concocting ludicrous 'facts' about the Falklands.
Axelarg
We have a peaceful solution already. We like being British and we want you to stop bothering us.
Hot off the BA Herald press...'Before flying to the US to attend a meeting of the UN Special Committee on Decolonization, President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner has summoned the entire Kirchnerite spectrum to attend a massive rally that will include a “very important announcement.”'
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like....' I'm out of here..thanks for all the fish er dosh....'
& 82
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read please posts ( 70 ...73 )
Fly me Honoria !
Frank / honoria
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your replies.
£4 - £5 for 1.5 litres: those prices are pretty reasonable.
It would suggest that the blockade is very ineffective.
Is it fruit and veg that is a lot more expensive?
67 SussieUS
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've been eating those blue Smarties ( m&m's ) again haven't you? You have, haven't you?
83 Frank
More like “Get us to the airport before the fraud squad arrives”
@70
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Issues such as poverty,inequality and oppressions are deeply rooted in Colonial History...and reinforced by present day Neo-Colonial practices.
Are you suggesting that the Falkland Islanders suffer from the above?
A group of young Falkland Islanders hope to present Argentine President Cristina Fernandez with a firm message at the UN in New York that they want to remain British subjects and continue their current way of life.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU CAN KEEP IT !!! we need just to put our flag over there , as it was in 1833 and 1982.
You can administrate the islands, sell it's petrol, it's fishes, keep your language, keep your left driving, keep your links with the UK , keep your propierties and your exchange rate etc, etc ,etc. just give us back sovereignty... that is all, and then ( or before ) make any agreement you like using Big Brother ( USA ) as a warrant. don't be silly, get the best agreement you can, now you are in a great place to do it, later....I don't know mate....
@ 85 Condorito
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imported fruit and veg have been horrendously expensive or non existant, but prices seem to have been creeping down recently.
@ 84 Max
All that pseudo intellectual spouting of 'facts' and now this is the best you can come up with?
@ 88 Hipolyte
Only your flag? lol no thanks.
89 honoria
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0well it depends on, on how smart you are , on the negociation with the USA, if you can do something good, then you will see only the flag on the islands and no argies on the streets ( just turists and you will sell them a lot of services, remember, the poor peronists will not be able to pay the air ticket to be there on vacation). this could be done just as the secret agreement between peron and UK stablishment during early 70 s . Do you remember that ??
A governor 4 years put by the queen and 4 years put by kepers and argies, then queen again and so... up to 50 years then Argentina will take full rights over the islands , not the people or is properties just the rights as a province with a different language and different adminsitration.
Well. I think you can take the chance or you can keep on the same situation, Argentina will not give up ( there are more than 39 millions thinking that way ) and you will be craying because you have no fresh eags for brekfast... be smart.
28 British_Kirchnerist: Very real dialogue:
Jun 13th, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0RG: “Do you want to be Argentinean?”
F: “No.”
RG: “You are not negociating seriously”
F:“That is our unanimous desire”.
RG: “Your desires and wishes don't matter. You don't matter. You have to answer 'Yes'. Otherwise you are not negotiating seriously”.
Stop all that rubbish!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falkeøyar belongs to Norway as a result of Norwegian vikings being the first Europeans to set foot on the American mainland.
They are ours because they are ours because they are ours.
They should remind CFK that we were there 1st and that they had NO right to attempt to claim the islands in 1833.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0They also need to point out that we were there before the Spanish, who invaded the British settlement in 1771.
In other words British settlement pre-date the founding of Argentina as a state. Then rub in the fact that the FI does'nt want to be run by BA, and the islanders view themselves as a British community.
@90 Hipolyte
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hipolyte: so how are you Falkland Islanders doing politically, socially and economically?
Honoria: absolutely tip top. We enjoy a stable democracy, transparency in government, almost zero unemployment, world class income per capita, excellent health care and education and a friendly safe community.
Hipolyte: And does your continuing security depend on negotiations with the US?
Honoria: ha ha you Argentinians do love to cling to your conspiracy theories when the chips are down.
Hipolyte: so how about we initiate transfer of sovereignty over 50 years? It'll give you Kelpers time to learn Spanish and our system of government.
Honoria: lol nice of you to offer but no thanks.
Hipolyte: 38 zillion Argentinians say you should.
Honoria: no they don't. I've met plenty of them who say the sovereignty claim is fatuous and archaic and is nothing more than an embarrassment.
Hipolyte: if you take Argentinian sovereignty lots of Argentinian tourists will visi, which will be good for your economy.
Honoria: lots of Argentinian tourists visit already, not counting the mobs of thugs you sent over to harrass us in the summer. btw what happened to them? They have stopped coming since the weather dropped a bit colder.
Hipolyte: if you don't become Argentinian you won't get any bananas.
Honoria: now you are just being silly.
#32 I put it in inverted commas because I was quoting the article; I believe Cristina's peaceful intentions are entirely sincere (and wouldn't support her if I didn't, actually)
Jun 13th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISLANDER1. STEVE_UK. GREEK YOGHURT.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISLANDER1: If there is not any other alternative than self dtermination for this cause, then i hope that tomorrow the decolonization committee applies that principle like it did for others colonial situations, and stop considering the mavinas-falkland cause like a particular colonial situation. Respecting the posture of my country, this is evident that you won't recognize that your side is as intransigent as what you criticise from the argentine posture, due to you have never accepted to discuss about a peaceful solution for the sovereignty which is the main problem, beside, the argument of our constitution is just an idiot excuse, because beyond what it says about our claim, the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., so allthough the two parts resume the dialague in order to find a solution for this dispute, it's obvious that the islands won't never be only under argentine sovereignty.
STEVE_ UK: I think that a fair solution would be to share the sovereigty of the islands between both countries, or maybe there are better ideas, it would be good if you propose any too.
GREEK: I have told you 1000 times that the history is always submitted to omissions in both parts of the conflcit, i have never believed in our official history, thats' why i investigate, in fact i proposed you to send you my investigation, and you have never accepted it. Anyway, the u. k had rights on the islands in 1833, based on a secret article that had been included in the nootka sound convention of 1790, the discory is irrelevant, because since 16 century the most important aspect, in order to occupy a territory, was the permanent occupation , and you didn't occupy permanently the islands untill 1833. Anyway the u. p had right over the islands, which were based on the succession of states, and it had right to occupy them, however it was deprived by the u. k, which forced our authorities to leave the archipelago.
@ 96 Axelarg
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We already have a peaceful solution. We want to remain British and would like Argentina to stop bothering us.
I have mentioned this before but I suppose you are blind to any outcome other than the one you want. I think that is called intransigence.
There is much comment in the Argentine press about the C24 meeting, the visit by FCO Minister Browne and the talk about a referendum. Most of these comments dismis the islanders and any attempts by them to have their opinions heard by CFK party faithful who make stupid remarks such as 'self determination' is not applicable to the islanders as they are a 'transplanted' British Colony, what utter rubbish! They only listen to UN resolutions was another comment. How stupid can they get, no, don't answer that as there is no limit to the depths of stupiity they can go, a bottomless pitt of rats and snakes who will say and do anything to make there lies stick with anyone who will listen. I hope that the latest round of 'silly comments' will eventually be knocked into a cocked hat by the really defunct C24 that has run its course and has little to do with the present situation worldwide and is nothing more than a debating club. As for UN Resolutions, most of these are bust to bits by Argentina who are untrustworthy at best. Now that a referendum has been tabled, it has some politicians in Argentina making panic remarks that have done their cause no good what so ever.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 hipolyte (#) Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:15 am
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it actually possible to remember a secret agreement?
@96 Oh, axel, axel, axel. How you do love to twist and turn.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have a problem with “my” side being intransigent. You see, I believe it quite right that we stubbornly support the truth and reject argie lies. Lots of records around, axel. And lots of them AREN'T in argieland. Have you ever thought that when Peron came up with his claim, conveniently in the middle of the World War that he expected Germany to win, he wouldn't have started the cover-up, the false documents to “prove” his claim? The nazis and their ilk were always big on producing documents that “proved” their case. Like a lot of criminals, nazis always had two sets of “the books”. Doubtless Peron was the same.
But we can at least, finally, agree on one thing. The sovereignty of the Islands CAN be shared between two countries. The Falkland Islands and Britain. Oh, in a way, it already is. Problem solved!
On your final points, you will no doubt recall that you have been told more than once that Britain arrived on the Islands in 1690. And formally asserted sovereignty in 1765. In fact, you will also remember that when Spain tried to kick Britain off by force majeur in 1770, Britain was back in 1771 having threatened Spain with a war. And the Spanish made full restitution. There was NO principle of the succession of states until 1996. A little late for your purposes. Barring that, a prior state has to cede something to a successor state. Where is your treaty/agreement/convention showing where Spain ceded anything to argieland before the late 19th century. Finally, the principle of succession of states also requires the successor state to take on the obligations of the prior state. Therefore, argieland was actually required to accept what Spain had had to accept in 1771.
hiposhite
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately for hipo, the ground truth is that knowledge and wisdom are his enemies. Hipo understands that by limiting education and enlightenment, he can fool more people into believing that my bitterness at him is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish.
Sadly, those with the least education are those who would benefit most from the knowledge that Hiposhite has no great love of democracy or egalitarianism. I trust that I have not shocked any of you by writing that.
However, I do realize that some of you may feel that much of what I have penned about hipo is heartless and in violation of our Christian duty to love everyone. If so, I can say only that Hiposhite will probably throw another hissy fit if we don't let him exploit public sympathy in order to bolster support for his dishonest revenge fantasies.
At least putting up with another hipo or is it flippo hissy fit is easier than convincing hipos' mulitple personalities, who are legion, that this is just simple math. That is, if A is more incorrigible than B, and B is more incorrigible than C, then A is more incorrigible than C, right?
In case you don't have the secret decoder ring, A is a nerdy, litigious underachiever; B is a disgusting vagabond; and C is Hiposhite.
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Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592
@93 You forget that a fair percentage of the nutjobs (argies) think they have a God-given right to a large part of the Americas (the New World) because of a pronouncement by another nutjob, Pope Alexander VI. It's quite complex, but Alexander VI is often described as one of the most corrupt popes in the history of the papacy. This pronouncement was the papal bull Inter Caetera that divided the New World between Spain and Portugal. Unsurprisingly, no-one else accepted this bull(sh*te). This coincides with the rule of Ferdinand and Isabella in Spain. Remember Columbus?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And this is the rock-bottom line of their claim. A papal bull issued in the 15th century by a pope with connections to certain “royal” families (Ferdinand was king of Aragon, Sicily, Naples and Valencia and Isabella was queen of Castile and Leon) and leading to the Treaty of Tordesillas that “improved” relations between Spain and Portugal.
Incidentally, in the 20th and 21st centuries, the papacy has rejected the Inter Caetera as mistaken and irrelevant.
@11 Why do so many Argentine posters seem a little hysterical? You don't do your nation any credit by posting statements that look like they were written by a Loony Toons character.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands flag flies proudly over No.10 Downing Street on this special day.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0HONORIA. CONQUEROR.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HONORIA: If you say that i am blind to any outcome other than the one i want, i might say exactly the same about you and about most people from this website. However like it or not, the solution for this conflict doesn't deppend only on your wishes, and that's something that you can't accept, you only criticise the argentine posture, and at the same time, your side has never accepted to dicuss about the sovereignty which is the main problem, planty of you are so injudicious that you dont realise that if the u. n never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., this is obvious that you'll be able to remain under british government as much as you like, allthough the conversations between both nations are resumed in order to find a peaceful solution for this dispute, argentina won't be able to force the u. k to leave the islands. But it doesn't mean that we can't find between both countries a fair solution for this cause, however, that's something that you dont want, and as long as you dont dont understand it, we will keep on having more problems in the future, and you'll continue victimazing your side only, without recognizing that you are not acting correctly either.
COQUEROR: You are telling the half of the question. If you think that only our official history omits information respecting the historic aspects of this dispute, that shows the mediocre thought that you have. The sucession of states is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories which are successors of the rights if the metropoli. Like i said in my other comment, the discovery is irrelevant, because since 16 century, the most important aspect in order to occupy a territory is the permanent occupation, discovery only gave a precarious tittle, i already explained respecting the rights of the u. p and the u. k in 1833, and respecting spain, after it left the isladns in 1811, it never claimed again for the islands, there is a lot more to say, but i have no more charac.
@106 Axel,
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have researched the issue and you have mentioned that both sides have merits, so you clearly understand the situation.
To the neutral observer, it is so clear to see that the FI/British argument is stronger and even if it were weaker the FI right to self determination takes precedent over Argentine and British claims.
The whole world understands that, the Argie government understands that, that is why they won’t take it to the ICJ.
Just accept it. Drop the issue.
People on this site have told you the same a 1000 times.
I don’t understand why you fail to understand.
No one is looking for what you call “a fair solution” – the FI have a solution they like and it is irrelevant what Argentina thinks on the matter.
By focusing so much attention on the issue instead of the real issues facing Argentina, the Arg govt is ensuring that the FI are less and less likely to one day want to integrate with Argentina.
107 Condorito (#)
Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, how many will agree with you from the Malvanists is so unlikely as they have been brainwashed from their first ever history lesson at school whereas the lies have become truth.
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