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Falklands’ referendum has “no value” and does not change Argentina’s position
Argentine ruling coalition lawmakers rejected point blank the referendum on the Falkland Islands’ political status announced for 2013 by the Falklands elected government, and claimed it was a media stunt to distract attention from Argentine president Cristina Fernandez presentation before the UN Decolonization committee. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment ruleswe all knew that!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0and they want to negotiate??? haha!
suggest they keep buying, and burning flags......must give them some sense of
power!
He doesn't sound very happy about it does he?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Particularly like this quote:
“self determination from the Islanders and which Argentina and the international community do not recognize”
Nothing like wishful thinking or making up support on the hoof.
Been defeated military twice although the first one was more a oh the the British have turned up we give up.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islands been in British hands for a 179 years.
Guillaro Carmno spanish sounding name should the british goverment talk to am artifical implanted population.?
a drowning government giving their people something to get distracted with “Panem et Circenses” bread and circus... like the Romans did...
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the time of the referendum, the Argentine economy could be in total meltdown, rampant inflation, collapse of the peso,capital flight, energy crisis,lack of foreign investment,public sector strikes etc. etc.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lawsuits by the WTO,EEC,USA, Spain,Brazil,...........
Non payment of international debts.Import tariffs.......
Major Economic Problems- Argentinas response “the Mavinas are Argentinas”....Deflect,Deflect.
Looking forward to the stage managed flag burning and mini riot on Thursday,sad people,so predictable.
Oh watch out lads the Argies are getting their knickers in a twist and are rejecting democracy. They might get really dangerous and call us pirates or other such offensive names. They might start gathering in numbers and burning flags or spitting in a generally east direction.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0How will we cope?
We need to ramp up production of Union Flags. It sounds like Argentina is a growing export market for them.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0laughable excuse for a Democratic country
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and Argentina doesn't consider itself a transplanted population because...?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Presumably they'll use flags to heat homes when they've banned commonwealth flagged ships from importing oil and gas?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha like Hilter saying the German Law makers have ruled it ok to invade Poland. worthless statement from a RG dictatorship hahahahaha
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina knows it cannot get islanders on its side and so it declares all people on the island as persona-non-grata. It denies the islanders any rights and would do the same should Argentina acquire them. It has poorly fought itself into a corner and cannot home to launch a campaign based on the agenda it currently pursues.. 'Vote for us... we'll take away your self determination!'
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is however, time to show the world that the islanders set their own future in what ever way they choose, time to silence the argentine rhetoric because quite frankly, they are embarassing themselves.
Seriously. Who is surprised?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a “implanted” population who murdered all its natives !! and then Carmona said that the referendum “did not comply with international law”....since when did Argentina care about international law ? Yep,they are in the corner, good and proper and then they call a democratic referendum a media stunt ! Argentina's politicians dont recognise democracy when it slaps them in the face. Jorge Lanata for President
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not like we expected them to accept it. It isn't for their consumption anyway. So whatever they say about it is not important. Actually, whatever they say about anything isn't important.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Notice he doesn't actually explain why the referendum “does not comply with international law”
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume because he made it up.
How do we negotiate with Argentina ? They have backed themselves into a corner,firstly with their constitutional claim and secondly “that self determination applies to the rest of the world ,but not the Falklands”.They have shown their true colours yet again.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0They bring nothing to the table, the standard of living in the Falklands is far higher.
I would remind all Argentinians.that THEY tore up the hydro carbon,fishing ,tourism and transport agreements.Financially it will cost you dearly.
Negotiate what? All Argentina wants is total capitulation to its demands. This is an authoritarian government sliding fast into economic oblivion.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop British taxpayers’ money supporting World Bank loans to Argentina:
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
As 2065 was based on misinformation it is irrelevant and was finished by the 1982 invasion.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny that the international comunity do not recognise the islanders rights? In the OAS Canada and Belize supprorted self determination. Its a pity that Argentina has ignored UN judgements, which maens they have no right to comment on anyone else. OH, I forgot, the international community=Angola, Fiji, Bolivia, etc etc.
““This has no value at all since Argentina rejects the possibility of self-determination for an implanted population, such is the implanted British population in the Malvinas””
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's an academic question but what if the result of the referendum was that we wanted Argentine sovereignty....would the result still have no value and be rejected by Argentina?
I know it's not going to happen but still I'd like one of the Malvinistas on here to answer that, honestly.
haha, the tide has turned against Argentina, this referendum puts her in a very awkward position, the Islanders will now have another argument, as well as being opposed to self-determination, Argentina will now also be opposed to the democratically expressed wishes of the Islanders, in other words against democracy :) And the only argument they can come up with against...eeer ummm Implanted population!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0How's my memory? The last time there was a “poll” on the Islands regarding the “sovereignty” of argieland, did the Islanders not wholeheartedly reject it? And wasn't it organised by argieland?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And, yesterday, did I not say that this would be the argie response?
But if there is one group of “people” the whole scenario puts “on the spot” it is not so much argieland as the United Nations. The fact of the referendum alone, never mind the result, displays the freely-expressed wishes of the Islanders. How is the United Nations to justify ignoring that?
Well logically the referendum doesn't trump negotiations, because the referendum is only a trump if you already accept the British position, and the Argentines don't
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This has no value at all since Argentina rejects the possibility of self-determination for an implanted population”. Well that's the Argentines truly furked then. They reject the possibility of their own self-determination, considering they are an implanted population.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously are these people as retarded as the things they say? I cannot help but laugh at Argentines because they and the things they say are so f*cking stupid.
another day another argentine tit to make false comments such as “the refurendum does not comply with international law”, “It is a media stunt”, and that they islanders do not have the right to self determination.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0In other news Argentina does not agree witht he UN charter and rejects that people do not have a right to determine their own futures... oh wait we already knew that.
Trevelin is a town in the Patagonian Argentine province of Chubut. In 1902, following a territorial dispute between Argentina and Chile, the inhabitants of the area voted to remain in Argentina. A precedent perhaps?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can the Falkland islanders expressing their feelings to the world be a stunt. And as this muppet is a representative of the Argie government, he should know what a media stunt is, God knows they've been doing enough of those recently.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the honest held belief of a independently governed group of settlers on British territory owned since 1765 (barring two invasions by Argentina). All they are trying to do is speak the truth, backed up with easily referenced facts.
The Falklands people have acted with great composure and class. They have absorbed all the efforts CFK has employed to blockade them, declassify them as human, starve them and generally try to wipe them out. Now they wish to speak and are inviting independent observers (something a lot of other countries don't like doing) to make sure they are completely beyond reproach in any verdict. Maybe Carmona is confused, he doesn't understand a democratic vote can be conducted without mass bribing.
To quote Shakespeare, “Truth will out.”
@24 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Jun 13th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:24 am
Nobody can negotiate you sycophantic waste of air and water. The Argentine constitution forbids it.
@27...Ah Ramon this vote was a publicity stunt and held no value because they were an implanted bunch of Italians,Spaniards etc
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0implanted?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kelpers are same “implanted” like most of the people are in Argentina, Uruguay, Chile etc... If Argentina does not recognize this, it also does not recognize itself...
Trevelin was principally a Welsh settlment and they along with the other “implants” voted to stay with Argentina, with both Argentina and Chile respecting that vote ever since. Surely Argentina will respect a similar vote by the residents of the Islands?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only if they vote to be Argentinian.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Ramon, you have to remember, as War Monkey posted, to CFK and her stooges, something is only “true” or “right” or “legal” if it helps them get what they want.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone can look at the facts and come to the conclusions that people posting on this story have said, that denying the human rights of the Falkland Islander because they are “implanted” is wrong and hypocrisy of the highest order but because the facts of the matter do not help the Argentine government, they will never accept them.
If the results of the referendum favour independence or staying with the UK, they will never accept it.
We don't care what they vote because to us they are not exist!!! The illegal colonial population on the Malvinas are an illegal plantation in our islands which are Argentine before even our nation exist by Grace of God and Papal Bull 1496!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There descendants 189 years ago were coming from England and they do not belong to Latin American continent. Latin America is called Latin for reason which is it was gift of God to the people who lived here. My own grandparents come from Italy after the war to escape from anti-fascist persecution!
The people of the malvinas have no rights because they are an illegal population on Argentine soil.
The world is on our side, C24 committee is in hands of Syria and our Latin American cousins, they all despise English pirates! They hate you for what you Empire done to Latin America! While the English fight with the Scotch who want their independence, all of Latin America untie to kick England out of our Malvinas. It is funny to watch that C24 will deliver UN resolution against England on day you celebrate you victory, we will celebrate your defeet!
The presence of UK Defense Minister in Malvinas is military escalation his attendance at liberation ceremony is a militarization of crisis that make war more likely! We also know about nuclear missiles submarine patrolling in Argentine waters off Malvinas a clear breach of nuclear treaty, bringing British ICBM missiles within range of Argentina for the first time!!!
All this will be outline by President Fernadez at C24 where she ensure they deliver UN resolution on day of victory for Argentina. We are smarter than you, which is why we use irrefutable arguments to achieve our goals!
You mean like Maradona used the Hand of God to achieve his goal?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Filippo
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Latin America is called Latin for reason which is it was gift of God to the people who lived here. My own grandparents come from Italy after the war to escape from anti-fascist persecution! ”
Personally would have thought it was a gift of God for the NATIVE POPULATION that your Grandfather and his buddies MURDERED
Latin America my Arse!! Hang your murderous head in shame!!
”attempts a weak reply to the successes of Argentine diplomacy in all international forums”.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could someone Please, please, please tell me what they are? I would love to know, I can't think of ANY off hand so if you all could rack your collective brains and let me know...that would be great
It doesn't actually matter what Argentina think about the referendum. It doesn't matter if it doesn't change their position. What the referendum will do it clearly state for international supporters of Argentina that the people of the Falklands want to continue as they are. THAT is what is important.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#35 are you for real or a brit pretending to be an argie has a troll its kind of hard to be sure?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Westisbest
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes and if they had managed to -recover- the islands in 82 we all know that the malvinistas wouldn't be saying now -well, it doesnt count because Galtieri was a dictator and we didn't support the invasion.
The idiocy and irrationailty of this Peronist religion knows no bounds.
@35 you complete plank, our ICBM subs don't need to be anywhere near the Falklands or Argentina to deliver a bucket of sunshine on you. Trident missile has a range of up to 7500 miles so they would only have to slip down to the coast of France and BINGO
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This gentleman wants to talk about implanted, how about implanting a foot in his backside. I find it hard to consider citizens who are third and fourth generation residents of territory previously having no indigenous population as implanted.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Filipo is an indication of how smart Argentinians are? Then I think the Falkland Islanders have every right to be concerned over what they will get up to next.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the bit where they hate us for what our Empire did to Latin America! I always thought it was Spain who colonised Latin America, I must be reading the wrong history books!
Better still, the C24 passing UN Resolutions, Oh joy, you could not make this up!
35 Filipo
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't heard from you for a while. Are you still in the Bahamas? I see you haven't grown any brighter. So the Minister for Defence is in the islands further militarising the region huh? Very insightful.
35 Filipo
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should write fiction for a living.
So is our Minister for defence now some superhaman Rambo like bod who could take on and defeat Argentina single handedly thus further militarising the region..........oh wait a minute
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If South America was a gift from God to Latins, should the people of Surinam be worried now?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 well I had a dream alst night in which God told me Argentina belongs to Papa New Guine. Please pack up your stuff and leave.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only problem is this breaches the law of Nemo dat quod non habit “one cannot give what one does not posses” Which is exacly what the Borgia Pope did, he did not own South America so could not habe given it to anyone.
C24 resolutions are not leagaly binding so you cannot force the UK to negociate. The only UN resolutions that are binding are those from the security council, which guess what has a permanent member with the right of veto called the UK.
Syria what a great example of a country embracing the right to self determination and human rights.
Your irefutable arguments have been refuited on numerous occasions try reading a non Argentine sancioned book.
My Ode to RGland
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Darkness Descends
the night falls as if slain by the sun, soulless are we.
the understanding for which you sacrifice yourself
flares once, then dies,
smothered by a velvet ebon nothingness.
all hope must die.
your passion throbs no more.
how could you leave me?
angels surround us, crying,
save us from ourselves.
Oh no were doing it again further militarising the area, there's two sniffer dogs on they're way
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0--Your irefutable arguments have been refuited on numerous occasions try reading a non Argentine sancioned book.--
He/she can-t. Books that the government doesn't like are restricted from being imported.
@35 Funny little boy.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's look at this dumb little clown everybody.
He starts of with the Grace of God and the papal bull of 1496.
Doesn't God tell you to “love thy neighbour as thyself”, Filippo? You must hate yourself. And the papal bull issued by one of the most corrupt popes ever to sit on the Throne of St Peter. A papal bull that wasn't recognised by anyone except Portugal and Spain even at the time. And a bull that has been dismissed as misguided and irrelevant by 20th and 21st century popes.
Just as a guide, only people like Flippo refer to it as “latin” america. Most people call it South America. But look at the next bit. His grandparents fled anti-fascist persecution. “Poor” people involved and responsible for the most destructive war in known history fled to join their nazi pals and evade justice. More war criminals.
But perhaps he's right. Perhaps we should refer to the place as Latin America. Just to remind ourselves that it was Latins that murdered their genocidal way through an entire continent. So the Falkland Islanders are sitting on the very edge of a continent of genocides. Just as a start point in redressing the balance, perhaps we should indict every argie over the age of 30 with war crimes. Complicit and supportive of an invasion declared illegal by the UN. And we have the video evidence.
But you're right about our submarines, Flippo. All four of our ballistic missile submarines are within range of argieland. And guess where their missiles are pointed? You too could be a shadow on a wall! And our other subs are closer in. There are seven of them. They all carry around 25 cruise missiles. Do the math!
Now let's see how the Black Botox Widow gets on, eh? Will she run home in a paddy again? You do remember that all UNGA resolutions are NON-BINDING, don't you? Britain even ignores the C24 as irrelevant. And again, on your ancestry, we all know about Italian tanks. One forward gear and five reverse, wasn't it?
Or put the other way......
Jun 13th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine request at the C24 will have “NO VALUE” and does not change the Falkland Islander rights for self-determination and is not applicable at the decolonization committee as it is a sovereignty issue. The Falkland Islanders reject Argentina.
24 ... It's not a game, and no trump cards are being played by uk, maybe we should play the state the historical facts on the spurious rg claim, hey we could make a short film so the brain dead rgs would understand. A cartoon would be more in line with rg intelligence. This is 1833 when rgs asked British permission to set up a settlement, asked permission from the owners! The truth should be told and whenever plastic face opens her mouth...your telling lies should be the reply, it's not rocket science. Humiliated and broke the rgs return to lossersville
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Flippy
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Though many people agree that we must work together against obscurantism, incendiarism, propagandism, etc., I myself recommend paying close attention to the praxeological method developed by the economist Ludwig von Mises and using it as a technique to place a high value on honor and self-respect.
The praxeological method is useful in this context because it employs praxeology, the general science of human action, to explain why the only visible result of Flippo's ploys has been a series of tactical and strategic policy blunders.
Need I say more? I don't think so, but this I will say: Flippo believes that he is perched atop the moral high ground. If so, then maybe he should climb down to scavenge for some facts before claiming that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not.
If that's the limit of Flippo's perception, acumen, and intelligence, then God help him. I hope I have made my views crystal-clear: If Flippo opened up his shrewish mind just a teeny-weeny little bit, maybe he could understand that.
Papal bulls are my favourite way of getting someone, who as an example, protected widespread pederasty within their organisation, was a nazi, fronted a huge money laundering outfit, to decide who should be what and belong to whom. Then in the evenings they use a fire engine of holy water to complete tony blair's confession and get a few million dollars from indulgences.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why the Argies don't know the UK and non-savage world never listened to Papal bulls is beyond me.
The clue is in the name “Papal Bull”.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this is brilliant, it has flushed out Argentina and Argentina has as ever embarrassed itself and destroyed its own position.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They talk about UN resolutions which they violated and now they are busy denying the people of the Falkland Islands one of the UN's key principles of 'self determination' whilst trying to preach at the UN to a committee being chaired by a country that is about to get invaded by the UN for human rights offenses in a committee that doesn't have jurisdiction to discuss the matter.
This is truly a clown show by the desperate morons that are CFK & Tinman.
I just find this very, very funny now.
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Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592
I would myself refuse to ackollege anything the C24 has to say when it is chaired by Syria, this country has shown its complete disregard for the UN charter and the principles of human rights in the mast few months, they should be removed from the UN immediatly along with any country which does not support throught its actions democracy incluidng China and North Korea.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 An implanted people can only be of the first generation, ie moved from another country. It is now 2012, not the 1800s. Falkland Islanders have been born on the Islands for nine generations. If they are born on Falkland soil by definition they are not implanted.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike KFC's face.
Dumbass.
“With a media stunt such as holding a referendum, which is an illegitimate exercise of self determination from the Islanders and which Argentina and the international community do not recognize, the UK government wants to downplay the advances of Argentina claim”, added Carmona.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i think you'll find it was not organised by the UK but rather the Falkland islanders themselves.
You would think that this chap would see what is blatantly obvious to anyone. The inhabitants of the Falkland Islands do not give a fig (no pun intended) what reaction this has in Argentina. This is intended to show the rest of the International Community where they, the inhabitants, stand on the issue of sovereignty.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is also a chance for the Falkland Islanders to see where the International Community stand on the Right to Self Determination, which is enshrined in the UN Charter. This should sort out the wheat from the chaff.
If the GOP takes over the Senate and Obama is tossed out in November hopefully the U.S. Government would then officially recognize the U.K's and the Falklands position after this vote.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 Might like to help, but I am reluctant to go on facebook. Too much identity theft.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Sen Filmus
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's my hunch that it is easy to see faults in others. But it takes perseverance to expose all of Sen. Filmus's filthy, subversive, and destructive activities. A recent series of hearings, lawsuits, and media reports demonstrates that it takes more than a mass of surly hell-raisers to give peace a chance.
It takes a great many thoughtful and semi-thoughtful people who are willing to lend support to the thesis that Sen. Filmus uses Jacobinism as a hammer to forge the damnable widdifuls who will agitate for indoctrination programs in local schools.
He needs to stop living in denial. He needs to wake up and realize that I want to induce him to perceive his errors of perception and judgment and make him realize that his vaporings are way off base.
@ 35 Filippo
Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Latin America is called Latin for reason”
That is correct. But it is another reason than you obviously think.
“Latin America” was coined by the French government in the 1860's; the expression had never been used before.
Maybe it's called Latin America because they go through despotic rulers in a similar way to the Romans.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well i will be tuning in to see KFC get her plastic arse handed to her, lets face it Argentina has a history of violence and hostilities towards the Falklanders that has gone unpunished its about time they knew their place.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bit ripe coming from an implanted population of Spaniards, italians and .... er ... nazis.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The bottom line is that if the people of the Falklands will get the opportunity to choose which is their ruling nation. If Argentina cannot respect the wishes of the people, then it proves how undemocratic they are, and frankly don't deserve to be in the G20.
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