British Foreign Minister David Lidington condemned on Wednesday the actions of Argentina against the Falkland Islands claiming they were not those of a 'responsible' country. Read full article
Pathetic. No serious country would enter into a preeptive war anyhow, much less on a fabricated dossier and evidence. It matters not anyhow, I can discern for myself if my countries policies are responsible or not.
I think you'll find that Not a responsible power is a euphemism for tedious backward craphole. It's British politeness at work, we're famed for it. *Sips tea*. As for being lectured on fabricated dossiers and evidence - you might have a stronger position if your entire history wasn't jam-packed with the stuff, which you then insidiously use to brainwash generations of your kids.
Yeah, this coming from you? Claiming self-determination when you evicted natives from some islands in the 1970s?
(I never brought the Chagos issue up till now, because I wasn't informed upon it. I have read multiple sources and is is indisputable that there were people living on those islands, very simple lives, but there nontheless), and the UK didn't give a damn about their culture or their future generations.
Get out of my sight, to be honest British politeness is laughable. It is code for we want to be seen as gentlemen even though we are utter turds.
Oh joy, the Chagos Excuse is wheeled out, yet again: Britain did it 40 years ago so why can't we do it now? pout, sulk. Taking aside the fact that the circumstances were completely different, in the 70s you were 'helping' people out of planes - do you think the Oh the Argies used to do it excuse would cut it in 2012? You'll still be pointlessly clinging onto things that happened decades and centuries ago while your country goes down the crapper in the present.
The 1970s is within the lifetime of all the evicted inhabitants denied a voice about their homeland and culture (which was also destroyed).
Deflect the topic all you want. There is no different circumstances when it comes to taking people from where they have lived all their lives. Pathetic, dishonorable anglo.
Er different circumstances like the small fact that after the closure of the copra plantations the islands were uninhabitable, with no food and no sources of fresh water. Yes it's a shame they had to be removed but preferable to death, wouldn't you say?
Luckily Britain only deported them to Mauritius. If your country had been running the place they would probably have been disappeared... Silly, ill-informed Argie.
Nothing will change until the Argentine gov is responsible... how is it possible to have (god that word again)!! dialogue when there isn't any mutual repect.
Things will just stay the way they are, won't they??
Copra plantation? The inhabitants of the Chagos had resided there, enisled people, for over a century. They needed no plantations to survive. Spartan lives, yes, but who are we to judge.
Anyway, I am not going to pursue the issue further. I'm trying to move past dredging peripheral topics.
The main point is, what a British foreign minister thinks of Argentina is as moliminous in world affairs as lighting a match on the surface of th sun.
TTT is at it again please please do some homework, the Chagos never lived there they were originally taken there as slaves, for the plantations, no one lived there, there was no fresh water or permanent food supply.
@3 Fillipo I've told you once now pay attention our Missle submarines are within range of RGenweener when they are tied up alongside in Faslane, so trot on and stop shouting!!! One foriegn minister represents militerizing the FALKLAND ISLANDS you really are a complete idiot
Oh Iraq gets a mention again shock horror.
The C24 will do what they always do NOTHING, apart from giggle at CFK's ranting.
WHO IS HE TO CALL ARGENTINE IRRESPONSIBLE???? - same right your government tells lies about the UK's stance on the issue....freedom of speech and all that!
WHY IS ENGLAND MILITARIZING THE FALKLANDS BY SENDING NUCLEAR MISSILES SUBMARINES - once again you have no proof so why waste your time posting? TO FALKLANDS TO BE WITHIN RANGE OF MY HOME? - Dont need to be near the falklands to be in range of your home, again misguided statement from you!
WHY IS THE BRITISH MINISTER OF DEFENSE IN MALVINAS?becuase he can go whenever he wants. Why is KFC going to NEw York? God you are a prize Nonce. HIS PRESENCE AT VICTORY CEREMONY IS MILITARISING THE ENTIRE REGION - what? How explain please (sorry you cant can you becuse once again you have no solid facts) AND THIS WILL BE PRESENTED WITH ALL OTHER FACTS LIKE THIS TO COMMITTEE C24 - yes you guys will, and like calls made by Timmerman before, the general response will be that there is no militisation other than what is allowed and needed. So another waste of peoples time.
IT IS TIME FOR ENGLAND TO REALIZE IT LOST WAR - Hehe, no we didnt porr misguided child that you are. AND FOR ALL PEOPLE OF MALVINAS TO BE BORN AGAIN AS ARGENTINE LIKE HERO JAMES PECK - What? How do you make this up? Are you on acid?? WHO IS TRUE PATRIOT NOT LIKE HIS FATHER WHO FOUGHT WITH THE BRITISH!!!! OR GO HOME TO ENGLAND!!!!!!! - We could consider falkands a little part of England so they are at home in the county of Falklands.
So because they were taken there that means they have no rights. So I guess all black men and women in the New World have no rights, neither do the Indian (Asian indians) taken to the Caribbean, etc, etc.
And the Falklands were also uninhabited. They are barely habitable. 3,000 people after 300 years is pathetic. I submit they should be made pristine again (which will never happen, since the British exterminated the Falkland Island's fox, a unique mammal species).
Does the word hypocrisy exist in British RP?? Perhaps it is only in American english borrowed via Mexico.
Guess what ??? you aint getting the Falklands hehehehehe! There is nothing you can do about it. No organisation in the world can make it happen, they can only make suggestions etc.......so you and your dreams are right royaly furked.
Doesnt matter what you say, your arguements could even be right, but it still makes difference. So until the islanders decide otherwise the only way to get the Falklands back is by force, and you would be incapable of doing that.
Why are you still posting? It doesnt matter! Your points are irrelvant! You and your club of simians can not and will not change anything! Just suggesting you find something else to do rather than waste your time making pointless posts!
Perhaps you could write a book? Learn to play the Piano? grow a brain cell?
Yawn, like I said - Argies are totally mired in the past. It's what makes you so tedious, along with the constant parrot-with-ADHD squawking. Yes Britain has skeletons in its history. So does Argentina. So does every other nation. The difference is your country wants to do in the present what you decry as a crime of the British past.
Relax my piqued and rebarbative raspcallion. I don't want the Falklands. As much as I dislike the UK government, I would never envision seeing children dragged from their homes, and bemired to a C-130. I think of myself as a child in that situation and I cannot tolerate it.
What you want is for us to aver the UK is an honorable country (government). You may never be afforded that.
Not because I refuse to vouchsafe this due to blind personal animus. Simply because it would be a lie.
Rapscallion? Have you been watching the Pirates of the Caribbean box set again Tobi? Anyway, I don't think there's any such thing as a truly honourable government. It's just that ours do tend to be a bit better than yours :P Savvy?
I believe that any post made that may try to illustrate that the Uk is an honorable country/Gov. is because of the too and fro banter from both sides. if there was no issue with the Falklands, i dont think any of the Brit/Islanders would waste their energy trying to sell you any idea of Britain being honorable because there would be no reason to!
BTW, What is it with your over flowery language?? - its a relatively new thing for you to do this, which to me suggests you are trying to prove something (either to yourself or others)! But what does it go to show/prove! You trying to up your ego? you think that by using a theasuarus or dictionary, that others will bow to you mastery of the english language?
Sad! i pity those who have to put up with you on a daily bases, then again, i guess you dont get many guests in your ward (you ever read Once Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest?)!
Btw as a keen observer of British politics from the Westminster soap opera to social movements to even the details of certain local councils, I have never heard of a politician called Lidington, I don't even know what party he is in (I imagine Tory, but I would have done for Jeremy brown if I hadn't seen he was a LibDem)
13 Britninja
Diego Garcia and Malvinas, What Do They Have in Common?
Answer: Their local population were illegally expelled by the same country.
The Chagossians were offered no recourse to self-determination. Dispossesed of their homes and their means of livelihood, the democratic choice offered to the Chagossians was to become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland. For the inconvenience of having to accommodate these refugees, the government of Maurituis was compensated with the princely sum of three million pounds.
Diego Garcia and Falklands, What Do They Have in Common?
Answer: Their local population were illegally expelled by the same country.
Wrong Answer and I can gather a score of legitimate references to argue your point.
You have no proof that a local population was expelled from the falklands by the British. please quote your reference points.....otherwise dont waste you fucking time with idle posts
Argentines on national humiliation day are celebrating their parents love of holocaust and lebensraum, by lecturing a UN committee on their desperation for Anschluß by robbing nearby fledgling nations of their freedoms.
They're then going to have a presentation on how little Argentina has benefited the world at large, and then let some of their native population starve to death.
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Currently they appear to be in full whine mode.
Today we remember the brave British soldiers, sailors and airmen who liberated the Falkland Islanders from evil foreign oppression.
@3
WHO IS HE TO CALL ARGENTINE IRRESPONSIBLE????
I believe he's a British Foreign Minister - the article was fairly explicit
WHY IS ENGLAND MILITARIZING THE FALKLANDS BY SENDING NUCLEAR MISSILES SUBMARINES TO FALKLANDS TO BE WITHIN RANGE OF MY HOME?
It's not. A nuclear powered submarine is different from a nuclear armed submarine. The Falklands have a comparatively small defense force to deter future aggression. If you recall it was invaded. If Argentina is not planning a second invasion, why would you concern yourself about the military forces in the Falklands?
WHY IS THE BRITISH MINISTER OF DEFENSE IN MALVINAS? HIS PRESENCE AT VICTORY CEREMONY IS MILITARISING THE ENTIRE REGION AND THIS WILL BE PRESENTED WITH ALL OTHER FACTS LIKE THIS TO COMMITTEE C24!
A defense minister isn't a military asset. I refer you to my previous comment regarding militarisation. Does Argentina not have a military in the region?
As for your claim to Argentine truths - its a matter of perspective as to whether Argentine assertions are historically accurate.
IT IS TIME FOR ENGLAND TO REALIZE IT LOST WAR AND FOR ALL PEOPLE OF MALVINAS TO BE BORN AGAIN AS ARGENTINE LIKE HERO JAMES PECK WHO IS TRUE PATRIOT NOT LIKE HIS FATHER WHO FOUGHT WITH THE BRITISH!!!! OR GO HOME TO ENGLAND!!!!!!!
We don't disagree, we fully support the people of the Falklands in determining that for themselves. The will do so in a referendum. As far as I understand they are already home, in the Falklands. That is as ridiculous as telling you to go home to Spain.
I love them bringing up James Peck because it just adds another item to their list of we heard it helps our cause but don't really know anything about it things.
I thought Borat was pretty funny to begin with, but the joke wore off after about five minutes. I have to admit I am experiencing the same phenomenon with your new creation Filippo.
Of course Britian lost the war, that's why:
The Falkland Islands still has its rightfull name.
The population still speak their own language.
They still drive on the left side of the road.
British forces protect their freedom.
Today they celebrate their liberation and remeber those gave their lives for it.
Contrast what would have happened had we won:
The island would now be called the Malvinas.
The indiginous populace would have been ethnicaly cleansed.
The implanted population would speak Spanish.
They would drive on the right.
Argentine troops would be Garrisoning Puerto Argentina.
Today would be Argentine Victory Day.
All in all, I think it is a bloody good job we also lost the First and Second World Wars, just imagine what the world would be like today had we won!!
@41 It's all an extension of the Fact that Peron got really pyssy after WW2 because his bff Hitler lost, which is why he then said 'the wrong side won'. Hitler had promised his good friend and ideological compadre Peron the Antarctic and the Falklands if he won... and Peron being Argentinian couldn't deal with reality and started barking on about owning everything in the world.
This government is still Peronist, and still spouting the rhetoric of Hitler and Peron...
Truth-telling-twat....I find it strange you harping on about the Chagos being expelled...they were after all an implanted population, according to your current bat shits crazy dictatorship....implanted peoples have no rights :)...
So why are you whining?
The UK govt has already admitted and regretted its guilt in respect of the Chagos and has granted them British citizenship and numerous hearings in courts.....
The key differences between you and us..is we have said we made mistakes in the past...no excuses.
You lot on the other hand come up with every conceivable excuse on the planet to justify your abhorrent disregard for the Islanders rights and democracy.....
YAWN- Another day of the same shite leaving the mouths of the Campora. It dosent matter how many times you try to teach them the historical inaccuraies of the shite that their own government has been feeding them since the 1940's (much of it by the same Junta they tell us they all despise). Arguments are: Implanted popoulation, 1833, Iraq (not sure on that one), Papal bulls, Pirates, Diego Garcia, chagos, nucelar subs, miltirasion, Argentina is the vistim, and fundermentally that the people of the Falklands have no rights.
Please try and actually come up with one new and legitamate reason to argue your point, Im getting sick of the winging and bullshit.
Do you understand the differnce between hunter killer nuclear submarines, SSN in NATO terminology, and Trident missile submarines, SSBN in NATO terminology?
If any UK nuclear submarines are in the South Atlantic, these will be SSNs. SSN's don't carry nuclear missiles - their role is anti-submarine, anti-ship and also precision land attack using Tomahawk cruise missiles.
There is no need to send Trident submarines, SSBNs, to the South Atlantic: the range of these missiles is about 12,000 km, which the missile covers at about 21,000 kph.
@30
If you are referring to 1833, the local population of the Falkland Islands were not illegally expelled in 1833. Try looking up the history, or if you don't agree, reference a source that says otherwise-and if you wish I will provide you with a sourced reference that backs up what I say. The illegal United Provinces of the River Plate criminals were expelled (later some were tried and executed by the Buenos Aires authorities, something you always fail to point out). The civilians were asked if they wanted to stay under British rule.
4 (not from the UPot RP) wanted to leave, but they had a choice (therefore they were not expelled),and the other settlers, most from the UPotRP wanted to stay under British rule. This means, you fool, that as they were allowed to stay, they were not expelled.
Moreover as the Islands were British since 1765, and a protest (ignored by the UPotRP) was made by the UK government about the militia and penal colony, the presence of the UPotRP authorities was illegal and the British had every right to expel them. The fact that most of the population that was allowed to stay were the original forefathers of the present Falkland Islanders, shows that there was no artificially transplanted population on the Islands which is an Argentine myth.
@1 Thanks for that. You won't mind the flaming rain then, will you?
@3 TROLL. IRRESPONSIBLE TROLL. MURDEROUS TROLL.
@5 Traitor.
@6 You haven't thought yet. Why start now?
@8 You don't have anything to think with!
@9 You would know about turds. Having a cuntry composed of little else.
@12 But you want to!
@18 Point 1: Remind us again of how many South American natives you exterminated. Point 2: The Falkland Islands are considerably more habitable. Except for the nearby argies. The stink that wafts across some days.
@29 Thanks for confirming you don't reside in Britain. The whole country can heave a sigh of relief. British my arse!
@30 STFU. Asshole.
Here's the thing about this pirate invasion of 1833: what crap! Not a death worth a damn, no maidens held to ransom, no keelhauling, no walking the plank. Hardly so much as a dog kicked or a beard singed!
And a so-called expulsion that leaves Rivero and his gang still on site several months later to show the world how a proper murder spree is conducted.
And to add insult to injury, a mere 17 years the Argentines have forgotten the whole thing to the point that they are prepared to sign a treaty settling all disputes.
What kind of a crap pirate invasion is this? Anybody might think it never happened! Frankly, I'm embarassed! I hope my pirate ancestors complained to their MP at the time, or OFLOOT, or the Sir Francis Drake foundation, or whoever the responsible authority was at the time.
48 Pete Bog
The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The British commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
@52
The cool and careful analysis of the arguments and
issues does not, however, quite convey the obsessional, at
times rabid, nature of claims such as those as Argentina
over the Falklands.
The work concludes with a look into the future, noting
overall declining UN concern (with one or two exceptions)
over the territories, and the fact that in the majority the
inhabitants wish to maintain their dependent status
relationship.
3 Filippo (#). Get real you blithering idiot; nobody knows where the nuclear subs are; neither US, nor British, nor French, nor Russian, nor Chinese. They wouldn't be a deterrent if everybody knew where they were. Where have you got your misinformation that there are British nuclear subs off the coast of Argentina?
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@52 Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands.
No it didn't. There were no representations between 1850 and 1884. Nor between 1884 and 1941. That's a total of 90 years. So, for more than half the time between 1833 and 2012, argieland said NOTHING. How easy it is to demonstrate argie STUPIDITY!
I have said it before, and I will sat it again - any argument using the eviction of the chagos islanders to justify thge eviction or subjugation of the Falklanders in morally bankrupt.
By the way - I note that Argentinians like rushing to the defence of Saddam Hussein and the Baath party in Iraq. You seem to like supporting facists who practice continual aggression against their neighbours and genocide against undesirables. Quite a lot of you like defending Nazi Germany too.........
What I don't support is morally bankrupt nations like the UK/Europe/US deciding the government of other nations.
Saddam Hussein was a monster created by you. Iraq is not a country. Get it? It was a British/French whim
Libya is not a country, it was an Italian whim.
Tanzania is not a country, it was a German whim.
And on and on and on... Why do you think Africa and the Middle East have the most internecine turmoil of any places in the world? Because the borders carved out by YOU are irrational.
Like carving a country from southern Ireland, England and northern France, or from southern Germany and northern Italy...
Look at Yugoslavia, Czecholovakia, etc... even in your own continent you see what happens wehn you create nations that make no sense ethnically, religiously, or tribally.
I don't support the facsists, but I support your interventions even less! They were the original disease.
And how does UK treat illegal aliens, we Argentines refuse to be dictated by a colonial power how we should treat illegal aliens. About we send them back to their mother land. We will not accept the English bias attitudes and dubble standards. Good try! get a life loosers!
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Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The comment is irrelevant. Next.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/falklands-liberation-day/
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Happy Liberation Day
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Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reported.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0'responsible' country? Is he talking about Britain in Iraq?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hundreds of thousands dead, no WMD, Britain fingerprints all over.
I know that is exactly what I thought.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic. No serious country would enter into a preeptive war anyhow, much less on a fabricated dossier and evidence. It matters not anyhow, I can discern for myself if my countries policies are responsible or not.
I think you'll find that Not a responsible power is a euphemism for tedious backward craphole. It's British politeness at work, we're famed for it. *Sips tea*. As for being lectured on fabricated dossiers and evidence - you might have a stronger position if your entire history wasn't jam-packed with the stuff, which you then insidiously use to brainwash generations of your kids.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0#5-6 Thats what I instantly thought too
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, this coming from you? Claiming self-determination when you evicted natives from some islands in the 1970s?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0(I never brought the Chagos issue up till now, because I wasn't informed upon it. I have read multiple sources and is is indisputable that there were people living on those islands, very simple lives, but there nontheless), and the UK didn't give a damn about their culture or their future generations.
Get out of my sight, to be honest British politeness is laughable. It is code for we want to be seen as gentlemen even though we are utter turds.
No one believes it.
lol at the mental argies. @3 press CAPS LOCK
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh joy, the Chagos Excuse is wheeled out, yet again: Britain did it 40 years ago so why can't we do it now? pout, sulk. Taking aside the fact that the circumstances were completely different, in the 70s you were 'helping' people out of planes - do you think the Oh the Argies used to do it excuse would cut it in 2012? You'll still be pointlessly clinging onto things that happened decades and centuries ago while your country goes down the crapper in the present.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1970s is within the lifetime of all the evicted inhabitants denied a voice about their homeland and culture (which was also destroyed).
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Deflect the topic all you want. There is no different circumstances when it comes to taking people from where they have lived all their lives. Pathetic, dishonorable anglo.
Er different circumstances like the small fact that after the closure of the copra plantations the islands were uninhabitable, with no food and no sources of fresh water. Yes it's a shame they had to be removed but preferable to death, wouldn't you say?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luckily Britain only deported them to Mauritius. If your country had been running the place they would probably have been disappeared... Silly, ill-informed Argie.
Nothing will change until the Argentine gov is responsible... how is it possible to have (god that word again)!! dialogue when there isn't any mutual repect.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Things will just stay the way they are, won't they??
Copra plantation? The inhabitants of the Chagos had resided there, enisled people, for over a century. They needed no plantations to survive. Spartan lives, yes, but who are we to judge.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I am not going to pursue the issue further. I'm trying to move past dredging peripheral topics.
The main point is, what a British foreign minister thinks of Argentina is as moliminous in world affairs as lighting a match on the surface of th sun.
It induces oscitancy.
TTT is at it again please please do some homework, the Chagos never lived there they were originally taken there as slaves, for the plantations, no one lived there, there was no fresh water or permanent food supply.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Fillipo I've told you once now pay attention our Missle submarines are within range of RGenweener when they are tied up alongside in Faslane, so trot on and stop shouting!!! One foriegn minister represents militerizing the FALKLAND ISLANDS you really are a complete idiot
Oh Iraq gets a mention again shock horror.
The C24 will do what they always do NOTHING, apart from giggle at CFK's ranting.
At that pratt Filippo
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0WHO IS HE TO CALL ARGENTINE IRRESPONSIBLE???? - same right your government tells lies about the UK's stance on the issue....freedom of speech and all that!
WHY IS ENGLAND MILITARIZING THE FALKLANDS BY SENDING NUCLEAR MISSILES SUBMARINES - once again you have no proof so why waste your time posting? TO FALKLANDS TO BE WITHIN RANGE OF MY HOME? - Dont need to be near the falklands to be in range of your home, again misguided statement from you!
WHY IS THE BRITISH MINISTER OF DEFENSE IN MALVINAS?becuase he can go whenever he wants. Why is KFC going to NEw York? God you are a prize Nonce. HIS PRESENCE AT VICTORY CEREMONY IS MILITARISING THE ENTIRE REGION - what? How explain please (sorry you cant can you becuse once again you have no solid facts) AND THIS WILL BE PRESENTED WITH ALL OTHER FACTS LIKE THIS TO COMMITTEE C24 - yes you guys will, and like calls made by Timmerman before, the general response will be that there is no militisation other than what is allowed and needed. So another waste of peoples time.
IT IS TIME FOR ENGLAND TO REALIZE IT LOST WAR - Hehe, no we didnt porr misguided child that you are. AND FOR ALL PEOPLE OF MALVINAS TO BE BORN AGAIN AS ARGENTINE LIKE HERO JAMES PECK - What? How do you make this up? Are you on acid?? WHO IS TRUE PATRIOT NOT LIKE HIS FATHER WHO FOUGHT WITH THE BRITISH!!!! OR GO HOME TO ENGLAND!!!!!!! - We could consider falkands a little part of England so they are at home in the county of Falklands.
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Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0So because they were taken there that means they have no rights. So I guess all black men and women in the New World have no rights, neither do the Indian (Asian indians) taken to the Caribbean, etc, etc.
And the Falklands were also uninhabited. They are barely habitable. 3,000 people after 300 years is pathetic. I submit they should be made pristine again (which will never happen, since the British exterminated the Falkland Island's fox, a unique mammal species).
Does the word hypocrisy exist in British RP?? Perhaps it is only in American english borrowed via Mexico.
God, talk about oscitancy... Do we have to remind you yet again that Argies lecturing others on the treatment of native populations makes us giggle?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Great TIT,
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why you have truth in your name? Is it sarcasm?
Guess what ??? you aint getting the Falklands hehehehehe! There is nothing you can do about it. No organisation in the world can make it happen, they can only make suggestions etc.......so you and your dreams are right royaly furked.
Doesnt matter what you say, your arguements could even be right, but it still makes difference. So until the islanders decide otherwise the only way to get the Falklands back is by force, and you would be incapable of doing that.
Argentina does not lecture others on native treatment.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK does lecture others about freedom and democracy, when they for 300 year denied millions around the planet exactly that.
Which is why most of us non-Brits do not giggle, but guffaw.
@ Magnum Simian TIT,
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you still posting? It doesnt matter! Your points are irrelvant! You and your club of simians can not and will not change anything! Just suggesting you find something else to do rather than waste your time making pointless posts!
Perhaps you could write a book? Learn to play the Piano? grow a brain cell?
Yawn, like I said - Argies are totally mired in the past. It's what makes you so tedious, along with the constant parrot-with-ADHD squawking. Yes Britain has skeletons in its history. So does Argentina. So does every other nation. The difference is your country wants to do in the present what you decry as a crime of the British past.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Relax my piqued and rebarbative raspcallion. I don't want the Falklands. As much as I dislike the UK government, I would never envision seeing children dragged from their homes, and bemired to a C-130. I think of myself as a child in that situation and I cannot tolerate it.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you want is for us to aver the UK is an honorable country (government). You may never be afforded that.
Not because I refuse to vouchsafe this due to blind personal animus. Simply because it would be a lie.
The Argentines can whine all they like and CFKC can screech all she likes but they will never have the Falklands.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rapscallion? Have you been watching the Pirates of the Caribbean box set again Tobi? Anyway, I don't think there's any such thing as a truly honourable government. It's just that ours do tend to be a bit better than yours :P Savvy?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I completely agree with Lidington's statements. For further info on Argentine responsibility ask its mainland neighbours.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@magnum Simian TIT - on the theasuarus again!!!
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that any post made that may try to illustrate that the Uk is an honorable country/Gov. is because of the too and fro banter from both sides. if there was no issue with the Falklands, i dont think any of the Brit/Islanders would waste their energy trying to sell you any idea of Britain being honorable because there would be no reason to!
BTW, What is it with your over flowery language?? - its a relatively new thing for you to do this, which to me suggests you are trying to prove something (either to yourself or others)! But what does it go to show/prove! You trying to up your ego? you think that by using a theasuarus or dictionary, that others will bow to you mastery of the english language?
Sad! i pity those who have to put up with you on a daily bases, then again, i guess you dont get many guests in your ward (you ever read Once Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest?)!
:-)
Btw as a keen observer of British politics from the Westminster soap opera to social movements to even the details of certain local councils, I have never heard of a politician called Lidington, I don't even know what party he is in (I imagine Tory, but I would have done for Jeremy brown if I hadn't seen he was a LibDem)
Jun 14th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 013 Britninja
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Diego Garcia and Malvinas, What Do They Have in Common?
Answer: Their local population were illegally expelled by the same country.
The Chagossians were offered no recourse to self-determination. Dispossesed of their homes and their means of livelihood, the democratic choice offered to the Chagossians was to become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland. For the inconvenience of having to accommodate these refugees, the government of Maurituis was compensated with the princely sum of three million pounds.
@ Magnum Simian Marcos
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Diego Garcia and Falklands, What Do They Have in Common?
Answer: Their local population were illegally expelled by the same country.
Wrong Answer and I can gather a score of legitimate references to argue your point.
You have no proof that a local population was expelled from the falklands by the British. please quote your reference points.....otherwise dont waste you fucking time with idle posts
BTW i corrected your question for you!!
don't like the truth do you Argentina :) well written
Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Diego Garcia pales in comparison to the murders during the 70s and 80s or would you prefer made disappear?
they have always had the right of self determination cant wait to see you proved wrong
It's very simple, Argentinian posters please respond:
Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Make a list of what the Islanders have done to Argentina.
Now, make a list of what Argentina has done to the islanders.
Please respond.
How is Argentina celebrating national humiliation day?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines on national humiliation day are celebrating their parents love of holocaust and lebensraum, by lecturing a UN committee on their desperation for Anschluß by robbing nearby fledgling nations of their freedoms.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're then going to have a presentation on how little Argentina has benefited the world at large, and then let some of their native population starve to death.
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Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Currently they appear to be in full whine mode.
Today we remember the brave British soldiers, sailors and airmen who liberated the Falkland Islanders from evil foreign oppression.
@1 TTT
Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since when do we care what foreigners think of us?
Since you've been bleating your victimhood fantasy to any international forum which can't escape listening?
@3
Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0WHO IS HE TO CALL ARGENTINE IRRESPONSIBLE????
I believe he's a British Foreign Minister - the article was fairly explicit
WHY IS ENGLAND MILITARIZING THE FALKLANDS BY SENDING NUCLEAR MISSILES SUBMARINES TO FALKLANDS TO BE WITHIN RANGE OF MY HOME?
It's not. A nuclear powered submarine is different from a nuclear armed submarine. The Falklands have a comparatively small defense force to deter future aggression. If you recall it was invaded. If Argentina is not planning a second invasion, why would you concern yourself about the military forces in the Falklands?
WHY IS THE BRITISH MINISTER OF DEFENSE IN MALVINAS? HIS PRESENCE AT VICTORY CEREMONY IS MILITARISING THE ENTIRE REGION AND THIS WILL BE PRESENTED WITH ALL OTHER FACTS LIKE THIS TO COMMITTEE C24!
A defense minister isn't a military asset. I refer you to my previous comment regarding militarisation. Does Argentina not have a military in the region?
As for your claim to Argentine truths - its a matter of perspective as to whether Argentine assertions are historically accurate.
IT IS TIME FOR ENGLAND TO REALIZE IT LOST WAR AND FOR ALL PEOPLE OF MALVINAS TO BE BORN AGAIN AS ARGENTINE LIKE HERO JAMES PECK WHO IS TRUE PATRIOT NOT LIKE HIS FATHER WHO FOUGHT WITH THE BRITISH!!!! OR GO HOME TO ENGLAND!!!!!!!
We don't disagree, we fully support the people of the Falklands in determining that for themselves. The will do so in a referendum. As far as I understand they are already home, in the Falklands. That is as ridiculous as telling you to go home to Spain.
I love them bringing up James Peck because it just adds another item to their list of we heard it helps our cause but don't really know anything about it things.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Filippo
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Mr. Baron-Cohen,
I thought Borat was pretty funny to begin with, but the joke wore off after about five minutes. I have to admit I am experiencing the same phenomenon with your new creation Filippo.
Regards
H.
Of course Britian lost the war, that's why:
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands still has its rightfull name.
The population still speak their own language.
They still drive on the left side of the road.
British forces protect their freedom.
Today they celebrate their liberation and remeber those gave their lives for it.
Contrast what would have happened had we won:
The island would now be called the Malvinas.
The indiginous populace would have been ethnicaly cleansed.
The implanted population would speak Spanish.
They would drive on the right.
Argentine troops would be Garrisoning Puerto Argentina.
Today would be Argentine Victory Day.
All in all, I think it is a bloody good job we also lost the First and Second World Wars, just imagine what the world would be like today had we won!!
Happy Liberation Day to all Falkalanders.
From the Sea - Freedom.
Happy Liberation Day, Falklanders
Jun 14th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41 It's all an extension of the Fact that Peron got really pyssy after WW2 because his bff Hitler lost, which is why he then said 'the wrong side won'. Hitler had promised his good friend and ideological compadre Peron the Antarctic and the Falklands if he won... and Peron being Argentinian couldn't deal with reality and started barking on about owning everything in the world.
This government is still Peronist, and still spouting the rhetoric of Hitler and Peron...
they're a danger to humanity.
Truth-telling-twat....I find it strange you harping on about the Chagos being expelled...they were after all an implanted population, according to your current bat shits crazy dictatorship....implanted peoples have no rights :)...
Jun 14th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why are you whining?
The UK govt has already admitted and regretted its guilt in respect of the Chagos and has granted them British citizenship and numerous hearings in courts.....
The key differences between you and us..is we have said we made mistakes in the past...no excuses.
You lot on the other hand come up with every conceivable excuse on the planet to justify your abhorrent disregard for the Islanders rights and democracy.....
HAPPY LIBERATION DAY
Jun 14th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0To all those brave soldiers and civilians who fought against the Argentine oppressors and rose victorious against overwhelming odds.
FALKLANDS TO REMAIN FREE
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
YAWN- Another day of the same shite leaving the mouths of the Campora. It dosent matter how many times you try to teach them the historical inaccuraies of the shite that their own government has been feeding them since the 1940's (much of it by the same Junta they tell us they all despise). Arguments are: Implanted popoulation, 1833, Iraq (not sure on that one), Papal bulls, Pirates, Diego Garcia, chagos, nucelar subs, miltirasion, Argentina is the vistim, and fundermentally that the people of the Falklands have no rights.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please try and actually come up with one new and legitamate reason to argue your point, Im getting sick of the winging and bullshit.
#3
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you understand the differnce between hunter killer nuclear submarines, SSN in NATO terminology, and Trident missile submarines, SSBN in NATO terminology?
If any UK nuclear submarines are in the South Atlantic, these will be SSNs. SSN's don't carry nuclear missiles - their role is anti-submarine, anti-ship and also precision land attack using Tomahawk cruise missiles.
There is no need to send Trident submarines, SSBNs, to the South Atlantic: the range of these missiles is about 12,000 km, which the missile covers at about 21,000 kph.
Dont forget MIRV DJ56, Fillipo TTT and they rest of the brain dead, LOOK IT UP
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are referring to 1833, the local population of the Falkland Islands were not illegally expelled in 1833. Try looking up the history, or if you don't agree, reference a source that says otherwise-and if you wish I will provide you with a sourced reference that backs up what I say. The illegal United Provinces of the River Plate criminals were expelled (later some were tried and executed by the Buenos Aires authorities, something you always fail to point out). The civilians were asked if they wanted to stay under British rule.
4 (not from the UPot RP) wanted to leave, but they had a choice (therefore they were not expelled),and the other settlers, most from the UPotRP wanted to stay under British rule. This means, you fool, that as they were allowed to stay, they were not expelled.
Moreover as the Islands were British since 1765, and a protest (ignored by the UPotRP) was made by the UK government about the militia and penal colony, the presence of the UPotRP authorities was illegal and the British had every right to expel them. The fact that most of the population that was allowed to stay were the original forefathers of the present Falkland Islanders, shows that there was no artificially transplanted population on the Islands which is an Argentine myth.
@48 He's not capable of the following:
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) reading and understanding an argument
b) responding with anything other than opinion
c) learning
So, although what you say is the truth. It's largely lost on the small cognitive abilities of argentines.
They don't even know Argentina didn't exist in 1833.
@1 Thanks for that. You won't mind the flaming rain then, will you?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 TROLL. IRRESPONSIBLE TROLL. MURDEROUS TROLL.
@5 Traitor.
@6 You haven't thought yet. Why start now?
@8 You don't have anything to think with!
@9 You would know about turds. Having a cuntry composed of little else.
@12 But you want to!
@18 Point 1: Remind us again of how many South American natives you exterminated. Point 2: The Falkland Islands are considerably more habitable. Except for the nearby argies. The stink that wafts across some days.
@29 Thanks for confirming you don't reside in Britain. The whole country can heave a sigh of relief. British my arse!
@30 STFU. Asshole.
@48
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's the thing about this pirate invasion of 1833: what crap! Not a death worth a damn, no maidens held to ransom, no keelhauling, no walking the plank. Hardly so much as a dog kicked or a beard singed!
And a so-called expulsion that leaves Rivero and his gang still on site several months later to show the world how a proper murder spree is conducted.
And to add insult to injury, a mere 17 years the Argentines have forgotten the whole thing to the point that they are prepared to sign a treaty settling all disputes.
What kind of a crap pirate invasion is this? Anybody might think it never happened! Frankly, I'm embarassed! I hope my pirate ancestors complained to their MP at the time, or OFLOOT, or the Sir Francis Drake foundation, or whoever the responsible authority was at the time.
48 Pete Bog
Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The British commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
@52
Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The cool and careful analysis of the arguments and
issues does not, however, quite convey the obsessional, at
times rabid, nature of claims such as those as Argentina
over the Falklands.
The work concludes with a look into the future, noting
overall declining UN concern (with one or two exceptions)
over the territories, and the fact that in the majority the
inhabitants wish to maintain their dependent status
relationship.
I am bored with this now, going to watch the footy...trolls are no fun anymore to easy to beat, much like the rg army
Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0funny enough, i thought we was watching the telly tubbies .
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Filippo (#). Get real you blithering idiot; nobody knows where the nuclear subs are; neither US, nor British, nor French, nor Russian, nor Chinese. They wouldn't be a deterrent if everybody knew where they were. Where have you got your misinformation that there are British nuclear subs off the coast of Argentina?
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@52 Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it didn't. There were no representations between 1850 and 1884. Nor between 1884 and 1941. That's a total of 90 years. So, for more than half the time between 1833 and 2012, argieland said NOTHING. How easy it is to demonstrate argie STUPIDITY!
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have said it before, and I will sat it again - any argument using the eviction of the chagos islanders to justify thge eviction or subjugation of the Falklanders in morally bankrupt.
By the way - I note that Argentinians like rushing to the defence of Saddam Hussein and the Baath party in Iraq. You seem to like supporting facists who practice continual aggression against their neighbours and genocide against undesirables. Quite a lot of you like defending Nazi Germany too.........
What I don't support is morally bankrupt nations like the UK/Europe/US deciding the government of other nations.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Saddam Hussein was a monster created by you. Iraq is not a country. Get it? It was a British/French whim
Libya is not a country, it was an Italian whim.
Tanzania is not a country, it was a German whim.
And on and on and on... Why do you think Africa and the Middle East have the most internecine turmoil of any places in the world? Because the borders carved out by YOU are irrational.
Like carving a country from southern Ireland, England and northern France, or from southern Germany and northern Italy...
Look at Yugoslavia, Czecholovakia, etc... even in your own continent you see what happens wehn you create nations that make no sense ethnically, religiously, or tribally.
I don't support the facsists, but I support your interventions even less! They were the original disease.
And how does UK treat illegal aliens, we Argentines refuse to be dictated by a colonial power how we should treat illegal aliens. About we send them back to their mother land. We will not accept the English bias attitudes and dubble standards. Good try! get a life loosers!
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