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For peace and reconciliation, we need talks on Las Malvinas

Thursday, June 14th 2012 - 17:13 UTC
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By Alicia Castro - Today marks the 30th anniversary of the end of the war in the South Atlantic, but the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK goes back 179 years. It dates from the time that Great Britain – in much the same way it invaded Buenos Aires in 1806 and 1807 without success – invaded and took the Malvinas by force in 1833. In this lengthy historical process, the events of 1982 are the most regrettable. Read full article


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  • Britninja

    *Groan* Give it a rest Ginge.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tabutos

    moan all you want :) self determination will win and i cant wait till your proved wrong

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • googer62

    Lady, I will not be letting you or anyone else have an inch on my country and if you are really, truly, up for reconciliation then lets start hearing you say that you respect our wishes and our right to self determination. We actually have no need of Argentina, you have nothing we need as can be seen by the fact the we are growing and prospering in spite of decree 256 (attempted blockade on shipping) and all of your governments other measures. Judging by what I see emanating from your country I honestly believe you would be better off concentrating on avoiding the looming crisis and helping your people before carrying on moaning and wailing about something that never was, isn't now and never will be Argentine.

    As a footnote, I spotted a comment under an piece in an Argentine paper that was reporting the wailing's coming from BA about our referendum and it went something along the lines of “isn't it funny that the Islands are the only part of Argentina that is peaceful, prosperous and doesn't have corruption”

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self Determination

    Who are the original inhabitants Of the Falklands ?Nobody.
    Who were the original inhabitants of Argentina? Native Indians mostly slaughtered by Spanish and Argentines?
    Who are the Colonialists?
    British were in the Falklands before Argentina existed,1765.
    Forget the 1833 nonsense .

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    It wasn’t until March of 1816, folllowing Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo, that representatives of the various provinces met in Tucumán to discuss the future of their country. On July 9 the delegates met in the Bazán family home, now the Casa Histórica de la Independencia museum, to proclaim their independence from Spanish rule and the formation of the United Provinces of South America later the Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata.
    Argentina did not exist in 1806 and 1807. The invasions were against the Spanish, who at that particular time were allies of Napoleon, christ woman read it again, you declared independence after Boney was defeated at Waterloo. Do you not know your own history?

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Prehaps a referendum of the Native Indians as to whether they want decolonising from their Criollo conquers, who can go back to Europe.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    For peace and reconciliation we need Argentina to drop it's ridiculous and unfounded claims to land it has no moral, historical, legal or geographical claim to.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I'm getting so tired of listening to that lot, it's just becoming like white noise in the background, like a washing machine or a noisy air conditioning unit. It's annoying but utterly inconsequential. I think this woman's brief was to come to London and just be a pain in the arse. She is succeeding in that at least, I don't know how else she earns her money because no one in Britian wants to speak to her. It must be hilarious when she does her diary for the week, mon - sun “Be an irritating argentine” If we were Russia we would have bumped her off by now!

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-32-uk

    'its inhabitants are not the original people of the islands'

    The Falkland Islands had no natives

    She is a moron

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    For peace and reconciliation, we need talks on Las Malvinas

    no we dont!

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I can only assume that her efforts appeal to the mentality in Argentina because she comes across as silly in the UK and the top target in a turkey shoot.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self Determination

    This “diplomat” would make a good hostess on Tango 1.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nigelpwsmith

    For peace and reconciliation, we need Argentina to accept that the Falkland Islands belong to the Falkland Islanders and they want to be British.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @11 Idlehands

    Most of what CFK & Co say and do about this issue is intended for internal consumption, rather than external effect.

    Doesn’t matter if it works against you in the rest of the world, or even makes you look stupid.

    Just as long as it looks and sound good in Argentina, it is after all a distraction.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I think the point is, it was appropriate to negotiate in 1982, but it's completely inappropriate to negotiate in 2012 because we have a completely different relationship with the islands based upon the UN wishes to grant them eventual independence.

    She should be blaming the UN, not the UK.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Dear Alicia. So today marks the end of a war, does it? I thought it marked the beginning of the Second Argentine War of Attempted Falklands Conquest!

    The Falklands is not a “colonial situation”. Unless Argentina is one as well!

    Britain doesn't make excuses. But you're right. There is no UN resolution about self-determination for the Islanders. That's because it's in the UN Charter, STUPID!

    Strange that the Islanders don't seem to share your view that association with Argentina is in their interests.

    You can have peace and reconciliation any time you want. Just give up your lying, unjustified “claim” and learn how to act responsibly.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Some one stop her next time she comes by, I want a G and T and 200 B&H from her trolley.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    “The future of the islands” will be in the best interest of the Falkland people and not UK or Argentinas, unfortunately for the latter who continually try to punish the island population this will not be the outcome Argentina so feverishly want, or will accept.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    What a wicked web she weaves when she practices to deceive. Britain did not invade the falklands in 1833, they were british and were retaken with the removal of a military garrison only. This is historical fact and substantiated by the subsequent Argentine governments behavior after these events and only revived later when a weakened Britain fought on alone against Nazi germany. The population of the falklands after this so called 'expulsion' was duly documented by the naturalist Charles Darwin. Castro is blatant liar and ready to remove the rights of islanders, some of which can trace their ancestry back before the existence of Argentina. To talk of colonies is pure bunkum, every south american country is a colony, many even younger than the falklands. So latams, get back to spain and portugal and leave the amerindians in peace. And Argentina, leave the C24 alone, you try to bend it 180 degrees away from the very task it was created for. Its cause is not to expand your empire but to ensure indigenous people rule their own country.. thus the falklands with no original population has been miscast... Argentina live your life and leave the falklands to live its life.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • UncleTed

    Just to say, well said post #3. I am just an interested onlooker from UK but be in no doubt that we are full square behind you.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    I emailed her office and they never responded, so much for “open for talks”.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    They are crying in their malbec because you can't beat the truth, a democratic vote for the population to decide, that's all that matters. End game for the rgs

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EnginnerAbroad

    The military junta that ruled Argentina at the time abandoned negotiations and started a war as a vile attempt to win people's favour and cling to power.

    So the same reason you are pursuing the islands now.

    Nowadays, a democratic Argentina repudiates the war and prosecutes those responsible for the crimes committed.

    Britain's excuses for not negotiating are unfounded. They cannot hide behind the so-called self-determination of the islanders when no UN resolution has recognised such a right, unlike cases in which the principle is applicable in the context of decolonisation.

    So the UN does not enshrine the principle of Self determination in the UN charter? No UN resolution has ever stated it does not apply either.

    This is a special case that involves a colonial territory, not a colonised population; its inhabitants are not the original people of the islands. It is a population installed by Britain after 1833.

    There is no indigenous population, the islands where approxiamtly 1000 miles from the nearest part of the Province of the Rio plate in 1833. The population was not expelled and chose to live under British rule. Islands had already been British for a long time prior to 1833.

    We are committed to respecting the islanders' interests and way of life. They are British and proud to be so; we respect their Britishness and identity. We are willing to offer safeguards to preserve their way of life.

    So you are going to allow them to continue their system of self election and self governance and not pay the Argentine government any taxes (the same way they pay no taxes to the UK government. The 1994 consitution places them as part of Tierra de fuego not their own province.

    victory that can ever be celebrated will be that on the day when our respective nations sit down at the negotiation table to the benefit of peoples of both parties.

    There is three parties not two!

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Jog on argies you come to the table empty.
    Threats no
    Offer no.
    The stills arent that stupid give up british governance that lets them run their own affairs pretty well.
    For an argentine goverment that doesnt run argentina well yeah that seems like a brilliant plan not.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    No reason to discuss anything when one considers the facts, not Argies fairy tales.

    END OFF.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EnginnerAbroad
    just starting now

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    You may need talks.
    Islanders dont

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    The same old pro Argentinian bias and misinformation.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    listen miss, no offence,
    but ya plastics running, and ya brain fried,
    soddy offy

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    I think it melted and she ran out.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trerence Hill

    Where do they find these retards, what embarrassment she is to her country. Hello! what an absolute ignoramus. Please look at UN Charter article 1, sec.2 “equal rights and self determination”

    SAN FRANCISCO • 1945

    Article 1

    The Purposes of the United Nations are:

    1. To maintain international peace and security,..... and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law,
    adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

    2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and SELF DETERMINATION
    of peoples, ....

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    The Argentine president Domingo Sarmiento’s Message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869:

    “El estado de nuestras relaciones exteriores responde á las aspiraciones del país. Nada nos reclaman las otras Naciónes: nada tenemos que pedir de ellas, sino es la continuación de las manifestaciones de simpatía con que de parte de pueblos y gobiernos ha sido favorecida la República por sus progresos y espíritu de justicia.” (Heraclio Mabragaña 1910, vol. III, p. 286 which can be found in Biblioteca Nacional de la República Argentina, Agüero 2502, Recoleta, Buenos Aires)

    “The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them except that they will persevere in manifesting their sympathies, with which both Governments and peoples have honoured the Republic, both for its progress and its spirit of fairness.” (printed in: British and Foreign State Papers 1870-1871 (printed London 1877), p. 1227-1228).

    Argentina's president declared that the country had no claim on other nations.

    End of debate for any intelligent person.

    Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    Who is this prat of a woman? Oh that's right a paid lackey of the plastic botox bitch, one wants a hefty slap on the top of her ginger nut the other wants a hefty slap across he botoxed lips to knock a bit of sense into their pea brained heads.

    Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    I've an idea lets all change our computer setting to Spanish Argentina so we can see if it comes up with the constant drivel these low lives spout perhaps all the history will be written in thier favour...............probably not, just say PIRATES, USURP, AAAHHHHHHHHHHH. Dickheads

    Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    This article looks word for word what was included today in' 1 the essential daily briefing from the Independent, 'Newspaper of the year.' In 'Another View'' on page 23 Trolley dolly (bleeeuurrrggghhh!) Castro writes the above under 'Peace and reconciliation means negotiating.'. I immediately sent off an e-mail pointing out that 'It (the Falkland islands) is a population installed by Britain after 1833' was factually incorrect and could I write an article illustrating the real 1833 that the Argentines do not add. Apparently the paper had been bombarded by protests over twitter facebook and e-mail so I was not the only person that pointed to the 'trolley dollys' innacurate journalism. If they don't do anything can I make a complaint to the press complaints commision?

    Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JimLad

    She insists that this is a case of addressing a 'colonial territory' matter....despite the fact that the C24 committee has admitted that they view it as a sovereignty dispute and NOT a colonial one?!

    Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • UKOwnsArgentina

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    Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    4 The Spanish and French.

    Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Well said smart lady =)

    Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @39 It would be better if you were a Burger King. Now let's see. Castro, Castro, Castro, where have I heard that name before. Aaahh, yes. An old fading dictator in south america whose people loved him so much they used to try to swim to Florida. Or is it because it's “nearly” oil?

    Jun 16th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self Determination

    The French and Spanish were the indigenous people of the Falklands ? You are misinformed and a fuckwit. In addition 1850 conceded there was no Argentine claims to the islands.You were still slaughtering native Indians in Patagonia.
    Free Patagonia Argentine colonial pirates !

    Jun 17th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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