MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands “incredibly disappointed” with Argentines refusal of dialogue invitation
The Falkland Islands Government is “incredibly disappointed” that despite claims from Argentine president Cristina Fernandez, before the United Nations, of “only wanting to sit down and discuss about Falklands”, her government rejected point blank an invitation to dialogue. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesExcuse me Mr Short....who are you?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to discuss. Argentina's government (not me or many others) only cares about sovereignty, and the key is guarded by the UK (even if you handle the key). Since neither they nor you want to discuss this, which I respect, then what else is there.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing. There is nothing the Falklanders have to talk about that we would care for listening.
I would like to discuss some Devo Max with the Brits................
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 Marcos
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you'll find that he's an elected representitive of the people of the Falkland Islands. How many Falkland Islanders voted for KFC or any of her 90-strong intimidation squadron?
@1 dfs 2
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 ttt - Except if the Argentine government wasn't following this self destructive path the country would have shared in Oil, fishing and other projects to the mutual benefits of both countries citizens.
I would like to discuss CFKs inability to formulate a coherent and logically ordered argument as well as her constant repetition.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can is ask why she felt it was required to talk about the planting of vegetables on a farm?
Nice 15% rise in BOR Think. Did you manage to get some equity a price you were happy at?
I see nothing has changed after the hilarious antics of yesterday and nothing will change.
I was against that cooperation. And I was glad when we pulled out.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not talking to the Falklanders self-destructive? That is a bit presumptuous.
TTT no the TRUTH but you dont like that eh?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FIG have been very statesman like, and clever here, haven't they?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina 'I only want to sit down and talk' Kirchener has shown the world, by her refusal to do just that, what a hipocrite she is.
Falklands 1, Argentina 0 - 'in the last few minutes of the match Argentine striker Kirchener produced a spectacular OWN goal, leaving Argentine fans sobbing with disbelief. In the meantime the Falklands fans go wild at this unexpected result, especially as Argentina had brought on all 90 of their players facing only 5 Falkland Islanders. This has got to go down in infamy in the greatest sporting blunders Hall if Fame!'
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ - as our Malvinista friends would say.
Speaking of matches, England is playing. Any bananas thrown on to the pitch yet by the British fans?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hasn't every single black player in the Dutch, Italian, French, German, Spanish, and English teams been the subject of overt and public racism at this Euro Cup, both by the hosts and by their own national fans?
What a social cesspool Europe is.
TTT - “Pot calling ”
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0british fans??? i think youre confused
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Excuse me, slug.....who are you?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Good. You just want sovereignty. You can't have it. Don't ask again.
@3 Shove it!
@7 Just wait. Your “government” is walking the brink. The actual deployment of HMS Dauntless and the “possible” deployment of one, or more, of our nuclear-propelled submarines means that you are considered to be a potential “threat”. Not a “good” status to have. Your choice. Be good now!
No pot nothing. No racism whatsoever in last year's Copa America in Argentina against the amerindian players from Bolivia, Peru, Mexico, etc, or the black players from Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador. No nationalist violence against Chileans or Uruguayans. It was an exemplary tournament in this regard.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No racism against Tevez for being mestizo. Argentina is a paradise compared to Europe in this area.
@14 - Tobias, be a good boy, keep to the script.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a distraction method you get a D-
Tell me Tobias, just what do you really think about the fact that your president has humiliated your country by appearing at this minor committee, and then got caught out for the hipocrite she is within minutes of the meetings end?
@9&15 LEPRecon
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards.
Keeping to the football theme, I think it goes down as a definate 3 points to the home team and we did not even have to bring on our sub. Now where have I read that before?
The fact is Argentina wants to discuss with Britain, this is just a distraction, if the British government wanted the same point made against Argentina (but were willing to have their bluff called) they would suggest a negotiation with a joint UK-Falkland team. But they've not...
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said, the Brits or on that new cannibal LSD wafting around up there. You were the one bringing sports to the fray...
I'm not too concerned with “my country being humiliated”. My life or personal achievement does not depend on my country's reputation abroad. You Brits are obsessed with that, and consumes your entire life, that others see you with rose-colored glasses. Otherwise you can't live apparently.
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Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do not want to discuss, they just want to demand - end of storey.
Your interlocutor is London not Buenos Aires.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any body on the Falklands side who is trying to have a reasoned dialogue with the Argie trolls (especially TIT) is wasting their time.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was always going to be the outcome. To say the FIG is 'incredibly disappointed' is I think crocodile tears . I am always 'incredibly disappointed' when I have not won the lottery but I am realistic enough to see that as the most likely outcome.
Best thing is to follow the wartime advice of 'Dont Panic and Carry On' and look forward to the good news from the oil drillers which will make all the islanders the richest people in the world.
Then as you count your wheelbarrows or Land Rovers full of money you can feel sorry for the poor Argie campesinos toiling in the pampas for a few pesos a day.
I think this episode is another 'shooting oneself in the foot ' by Argentina.Britain would have defended the Falklanders even before the oil discoveries but has more incentive to do so now.
What KFC doesn't seem to understand is yes we are in a different world now but not as she describes it.She is dealing with the
Britain of 2012 and not the 1970s. The British politicians who might have tried to do a deal with Argentina (and Mrs Thatcher was one) have been pushing up daisies for years or are on their
last legs .No British politician would dare or even be incentivised to try.
1982 changed everything but the Argentines are slow on the uptake.2012 will change lots of things again for the Falklands hopefully for the better.The Falklanders and British can easily afford to sit out the dying days of the Kirchner dynasty.
BK
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So? that stopped them accepting the letter. Surely the correct diplomatic protocol would have been to accept the letter and communicate, by reply letter to the Falkland Island Legislature, the exact excuse you just raised. Now I am no politician, but that BK is how I would have dealt with it.
@17 - BK
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the Falkland Islanders can negotiate on the sovereignty of the islands. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
Why is the Argentine government so afraid of the voices of 3,000 people that they won't even acknowledge them , let alone talk with them.
This lack of talking is blocked by ARGENTINA'S intransigence not Britains or the Falkland Islanders.
And your beloved CFK showed to the world that she is a liar and a hipocrite, and has completely undermined Argentina's place on the world stage with this humiliating stunt, a stunt that completely backfired and showed Argentina to be the bully they are.
Argentina must be the only nation in the world to start a war, lose, then continuously blame the people they tried to oppress. It's pathetic, and so is CFK and her government.
@21
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another typical ass. He should go to the pampa, see how the “campesinos” live and the trucks they drive. This is why a dirty rock is more malleable than people like this.
The truth is that Argentina doesn't want to talk and really doesn't want the Falkland Islands.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine governments want to use Las Malvinas for domestic purposes and considering the current domestic state in Argentina wheeling out their issue is a way to try to distract from internal problems like capital flight, repression of individual economic liberty and rampant inflation.
If they were serious they would have accepted the letter and sent an official reply.
This is so obvious even the Argies that haunt these forums will admit this is the case, if they were remotely objective.
@10
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Rojo' fans throwing bolas de fraile pastries onto the field,bananas too expensive in Rg land?
well the good news is that the Argentine press are not taken in by her attempts to distact attention and stir up popular support. I read that reporting of the event has been nominal and just factual. CFK has failed? I would have liked to have seen a zoom out shot to see how many other than her 90 underlings clapped her?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23. The islanders are in no position to negotiate the sovereignty of anything.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of, there aren't 3000 “falkanders”. You need to subtract the people who are residents that came from St. Helena and Chile and other places. They are not natives.
Second - you are not an independent country. You are a colony of the UK whether you like it or not. The sole fact that you refuse (or are unable to) to go your own way and reject your status as an “overseas territory” makes it rather stupid for you to try and negotiate anything, because you are a colony... of 2000 people.
Your vote next year will be even more absurd as its in line with holding a poll in any small town in Britain whether they would like to remain British or become French. Its that daft.
@ 24 TIT
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the old saying goes 'better to be an ass than an Argie'. You must be the biggest nation of losers in the world.I cant think of any other country of 40 million which spends its time bullying a tiny population of 3000 instead of getting on with life.
Should be interesting to see the fireworks between KFC and Cameron at the G20.
@28T
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She should have taken the letter, big, big mistake. Says one thing at the UN does another thing at the same UN, big, big mistake.
What are you going to do about it Troneas? I know, nothing :-)
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Desire the Right!
@29
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No country has ever bullied more tiny little islands than Britain. Check the Pacific Ocean. So I guess under your own definition, that makes you the world's biggest losers?
Good to know.
disappointing? no, considering Argenweener refused to take the invitation right in front of the UN commitee and the watching world after preaching for negotiations all totally self harming and highly entertaining to boot.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Extremely clever move from the Falkland delegation.
Argentina will most certainly call it illegal and not recognise it, so what, they are irrelevent. What matters is who does recognise it and that will be the real Democracies, not those that adopt the name.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK Argies. I think it is about time you decided to take some actual actions to back up your discontent and make it clear you really mean business when it come to bringing the Falkland Islands under your control.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Implement economic sanctions against the UK and secure implementation of these sanctions by countries you claim support from.
2) Take the UK to court to attempt to get a legal judgement that compels us to negotiate sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. (note I have said attempt - the actual results of this could go for or against you but I suppose it would be worth the gamble).
3) Evict the UK forcibly from the Islands which you claim are occupied. Based on the level of support you claim I imagine you would be able to get a coalition to support you and impede any defence we could mount.
It is time to put up or shut up and prove you are really serious. If you are unwilling to take any of the above actions I would appreciate an explanation why you are not prepared to take any action at all.
@28 - Troneas.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that mean there aren't 40 million Argentines? Should we subtract the number of people who aren't native south Americans?
How many people would that leave in Argentina? 1 million? 100,000? 10,000? 1,000? Less than 1,000?
The point is when someone is a resident or emigrates to a place they have the same rights of the rest of the population.
You say, “Your vote next year will be even more absurd as its in line with holding a poll in any small town in Britain whether they would like to remain British or become French. Its that daft.”
Well the Shetland and Orkney Islands and the Isle of Skye have indicated that if Scotland votes to cede from the Union, that they may vote to stay with the United Kingdom and cede from Scotland. So yes, even people from small communities can have the right to cede from a country if they wish to.
Tell me, would Argentina allow Patagonia (if they so desired) to vote on independence from Argentina the way that the UK government is supporting Scotlands right to have a vote?
@35
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Well, getting sanctions is extremely difficult in world affairs. Look at the situation with Argentina, we have refused to pay for 10 years and EU/US/UK have done fuckall about it. It has taken outright belligerent behavior by Argentina (against the USA in debts, Spain in YPF, Germany, Italy in pensionist bonds; UK in Falklands; China, Brazil, Mexico in trade), and many other countries to even get you all to start considering sanctions against us. None of you had the guts or the will, and since Argentina grew these last 10 years, all of you happy to make money from it. You are venal as f/ck!
2) We don't believe in the ICJ... it is a European/US dominated outfit with no independence whatsoever. Kinda like the c24 looks to you.
3) We kicked you twice from Buenos Aires so maybe difficult to get further support.
1) You could implement sanctions unilaterally and then petition Mercosur, CELAC, OAS etc to support such sanctions. These things could grow??
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 02) C24 has no legal mandate, ICJ does and you have appeared happy to use it with regards to a pulp mill. So you clearly do believe in the ICJ.
3) We are not talking about the 1800s and are not talking about Buenos Aires. We are not claiming sovereignty of Buenos Aires. You are claiming sovereignty of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). If your position is valid and legal then this is a viable way to remove us and I would assume you would get support if your position was justifiable.
So, I assume from your answers that as negotiation with the Falkland Island government has been dismissed and you are not prepared to engage in any meaningful actions, then in reality you so not really want sovereignty of the islands.
If you really wanted them I thought you would actually do something to secure your ambition? If not, why not?
No argie believes in the ICJ. It is an appurtenance for imperialist European and American domination.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not interested in the Falklands, I merely responded to your queries. So I'm rather listless about furthering this topic, I simply don't believe Argentina should have the Falklands in a manner that is inhumane to the denizens there.
Give the dictionary a rest mate, you will go blind!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then why did you go the ICJ over a pump mill? Clearly you do believe in it.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are not interested in the Falklands then why are you commenting on such stories? Actions speak louder than words and you are typing on your keyboard so your actions and you claims are not aligned.
Argentina having the Falklands is by nature inhumane to the citizens who reside their so based on your argument the only thing humane is for Argentina to drop its claim and recognise the self-determination of the islanders.
As Argentina is not taking any actions then it appears that in reality Argentina is not really interested in the islands.
As you are not interested in the Falkland Islands then I expect we will not see you commenting on any FI related stories in the future?
38
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your 3 questioned assumption is fabricated on if you have 18th/19th centuries Great Britain...but Britain is not actually super power just middle weight....fragmentation is likely in the near future starting by Scotland...
Why dont you think of 4 th...5 th question options.
@40
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not using a dictionary. Do you believe I could be inditing replies in multiple articles on this website and at the same time utilizing a manual dictionary/thesaurus, or even an online ersion? Please.
I am merely usufructing my long nights of arduous elucubration.
41 Beef “Argentina having the Falklands is by nature inhumane to the citizens who reside their”
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coming from an English that expelled the whole population of Diego Garcia a few decades ago makes me laugh.
Troneas28 - you are wrong my friend. Of course not all 3000 will be able to vote - only those on the electoral role can vote here similar to Arg- UK - anywhere! Although diff countries will have different rules of qualifying to be on the electoral role - but I can assure you that some Arg passport entitled holders and long term residents here actually are!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We neither refuse nor are unable to go our own way, nor do we reject our current status as an Overseas territory. Our current status suits us - one day we may well move more to Independence - currently ONE thing stops it - Argentina,s threat as we would not have a British defence guarantee any more.!
We are are NOT a Colony - do please study the definition in detail of what makes a colony. We are internally self-governing - recognized in this by all EU Member States. And also Chile and Uruguay and Brazil when they do commercial business with us- they communicate with the Falkland Islands Govt - NOT UK!
@36
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither Patagonia nor any other region of Argentina has any desires to leave Argentina. So that hypothetical is moot.
If it was not...
There is just a minor, yet conspiculous difference: Scotland was a nation invaded and conquered by England, PRIOR to the creation of the UK. Patagonia was never any such independent nation or culture prior to Argentine existence or jurisdiction.
It would be like Argentina invading Uruguay, and then claiming a moral citadel over the UK if one day it decided to vouchsafe the Uruguayans a referendum.
When did I ever agree with what happened in Diego Garcia Marcos? Find my quote that suggests this?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume that as you wish to do the same to the Falkland Islands you agree with such actions?
Are you going to tell me what actions you are now going to implement? Sanctions, legal action or military expulsion? I assume you will decide to do nothing?
40
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know a good Norwegian Dictionary for you ........
Do you want use it ?.........
It doesn't really matter what any of the Argies say, especially the so called government. Nothing will change with the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas).
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ONLY way these vitriolic excuses for humanity could ever get the islands would be by force and that is it.
To get the islands by force on their own is just too laughable to consider. Who else of their LatAm 'friends' are going to risk a war with the UK apart from the madman of Venezuela and he will be dead later this year? Cuba?
No, the islanders just need to keep on with what they are doing: they are out-manoeuvring Argies as it is.
The Mad Bitch of Argentina will be gone long before the end of her presidency and who knows what will happen then?
The RG's have overplayed their hand and they know this. If they really wanted to there are ways and means of speaking with the UK behind closed doors but they havent even tried. They are happy mud slinging, name calling and lying. It also doesnt help that their politicians are fucking hopeless.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the botox Queens performance yesterday was woeful. I still dont really know what their overall message was. No strategy, scattergun approach to the issue in front of a UN committee - talking about migrating birds, Nazi war commemorations etc. Embarrassing really.
Its slightly irritating that we are even associated with such ineptitude.
@28 We're going to shove it down your throat until you choke to death.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 You won't be able to tell the difference.
When all this turns to violence,
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And blood has been shed,
And CFK gets beaten [again]
The first thing the loser will say,
We only wanted to talk.
Yep,
And you still forgot the toilet paper .
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@48
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know one word that originates from Norway. Quisling! Tranlated to Argentinean Spanish= BETTS.
That is sufficient thank you, I decline your kind offer.
46 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:33
I believe that the Puelches, Tehuelches, Mapuches, Yona, et al might disagree with you about not being independent nations before the arrival of the huinca!!!
The Mapuches are very content with their status in Patagonia, that is the Argentine side.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have far more rights here and are wealthier. Thus why you see peace on our side of the border, but outright sedition and violence on the Chilean side, where for decades the Mapuches have been in open opposition to Santiago.
Perhaps the UN and Disney land should be relocated to Argentina.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and don’t forget, Dorothy’s red shoes.
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Incredibly disappointed, huh?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr short don't you know anything about international law and, more broadly, international relations? If you did, you'd understand that Argentina's shrug had nothing to do with you personally or, more broadly, the kelpers and everything to do with the UK.
States negotiate and sign treaties with other States. YOU, Mr Short DO NOT represent a State and this is clearly and unmistakeably made evident by the fact that the Malvinas do not have a seat at the UN General Assembly and cannot sign international treaties.
Therefore, Mr Short if you wanted to pass on an invitation to Argentina to sit down an negotiate, I'll tell you what: pass it on to the UK!!!
Argentina has been trying for the better part of the past two years to get the UK to sit down and negotiate but they have always shrugged it off. Thus, if you, Mr Short, wish to negotiate (as you claim you do) let the UK know.
However, I honestly doubt, Mr Short, that you really wish to negotiate. This is just a ploy so that you can later claim that by accepting your invitation to negotiated Argentina recognizes you as an independent State which it doesn't.
As a result, faaaaaaaaark off
@41 Beef
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's rather clear that Truth_Telling_Troll's primary motivation for bing here is his ardent anglophobia, which borders on the racist. No, actually it IS racist.
@46 Truth_Telling_Troll
Excuse me! Scotland was most certainly not conquered by England (at least not circa the act of union which created the United Kindoms of Great Britain). Scotland entered voluntary political union with England. Although there are some unresolved questions as to possible bribery of Scottish Lairds (who ultimately voted for union) and Scotland would likely not have opted for Union had she not bankrupted herself in the disasterous Isthmuth of Darian settlement. Regardless, these a matters of internal (and historical) Scottish politics (i.e. the Scots have only their political class c. 1700 to blame - poor management and possible corruption) and NOT in any possible sense an English invasion. You racist anglophobia knows no bounds does it TTT? Disgraceful pedler of lies!
@57
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wrong again.
the Uk has told you that they will sign all the international treaties that Argentina likes over The Falklands once the Falklanders give the green light. you have been told time and time again that the Falklanders have a right of self determination and the UK respects that right.
you need to talk to them first and see what they say. If they say “ok” then hey we'll even bring the pen.
@59
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0fine then.
The UK can speak to the kelpers. Find out what they want and then negotiate on their behalf with Argentina.
Surely there is no lack of communication between the UK and the kelpers.....
@58
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only matched by the ardent, irrepressible argentophobia by all those who surround me here.
Above don't you know anything about international law. You are obviously another dickhead on a wind up. Argentina regularly flaunts international law to the max and will very soon find that out enjoy matey and come back when you have something intelligent to say
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats not the way it works.
you Rg's are as desperate as desperate gets not to talk to the Islanders. It would be quite humiliating for you wouldnt it?
You want to sit at the big table with the big boys, something that wont be happening as far as the Uk is concerned.
You talk to the Islanders first and then they will talk to us. We are unable to negotiate away their rights.
HG
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were you listening to the crap your president talked about at the c24.
What? champion of human rights, all we want to do is talk. etc, etc.
Well, she said one thing for everyone to hear and see and she did another. Big mistake, big, big, big mistake. No one likes a bully everyone has a soft spot for the underdog. Showed off your true nature in the worst possible place you could pick, the UN of all places.
Next time try and send someone who has the slighest idea of what it means to be a diplomat.
TTT - Why are you still here if you have no interest in the Falkland Islands and have no suggestions of any actions Argentina can implement?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm here to fight the daily lies, fibs, attacks, rants, strictures, and vitriol towards Argentines by approximately 95,8% of contributors here, and occassionaly Mercopress itself.
@66 TTT
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why?
@67
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British mores.
Well, because you see, in most nations of the world, to engage in opprobrium, calumniation and vilification of people solely on nationality is called racism.
In most countries people fight racism (In Europe they embrace it, I know).
Banana peels forever... Banana peels forever.
What do you care if you have no interest in the Falkland Islands. I guess that statistic was made up on the spot like a lot of CFKs claims yesterday?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would you care about lies and rants etc. if you have.no interest in the Falkland Islands. Should be water off a ducks back. I don't give a.shit about lies, fibs, attacks etc. against Brits by the Argie contributers. I actually find it quite funny being called a pirate. I am here because i have an interest in the FI which is ultimately Argentina's fault as it was Argentina starting the war in 82 that is one of my earliest memories.
Ultimately i am happy to sit here and not bother about the Anglophobia and jealousy spouted by the majority of Argies here. Reminds me that i am generally a better and more content individual.
@57! This is the bit you don't understand Numbnuts the British government will not speak to rgenweener unless the islanders say so. The islanders have offered a chance to talk but because you don't even have the courtesy to recognise them they say FUCK OFF ARGENWEENER . Get it yet the whole answer to this problem is for you to recognise Falkland Island people for whom they are and not continue with your lies , bullshit and constant whining
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you. Keep your high-chair lustrous then.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I care just to put the Brits, Europeans, and Americans in their place. Someone has to reign in the supercilious, patronizing, and insolent behavior that is their norm.
Put me in my place then.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 060 Helber Galarga
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has made its position very clear. There will be no negotiation of any kind unless the Falkland Islanders wish it. Of course they listen to us.
The Falkland Islands Government is not offering to discuss sovereignty with Argentina. It is offering talks on other areas of mutual interest, over which the UK government has no control. Taking to FIG about fisheries does not involve recognising anyone's sovereignty.
You might as well do it; it's the only offer you're going to get.
Helber Galarga 60
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK can speak to the kelpers. Find out what they want and then negotiate on their behalf with Argentina”
There is nothing to negotiate. why don't you people realize the war was lost thirty years ago?
“Taking to FIG about fisheries does not involve recognising anyone's sovereignty.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might as well do it; it's the only offer you're going to get.”
@73
What a presumptuous people you are. We should destroy your fisheries by exterminating all the fish around the Falklands for your arrogance.
We don't care about talking to you over fisheries, the waters, the environment, or your flag in our ports.
For all the protestations about Argentina's mulish attitude in not accepting that sovereignty is off the table, when are the Falklanders going to undestand that if Argentina someday did lay the issue to rest (hopefully soon), we won't be speaking to you on anything ever again. Nothing that may be of your interest in collloquy is our our minimum concern.
“We are incredibly disappointed that the President of Argentina refused to accept an invitation from the Falklands Island Government to sit down and discuss the Falkland Islands”, said MLA Gavin Short spokesperson for the Legislative Assembly
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHHA
now the pirate short,is complaining...
Too bad...Argentina can wait short....
You are SHORT of Inteligence..
TTT - hopefully Argentina will put this to rest and give up its pointless claim to soverignty. That will at least be a tangible action with a clearly defined result.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are not concerned they why complain about oil exploration, fisheries etc. Clearly you are bothered buy unwilling to take any actions.
Can you put me in my place yet?
20120615 16:17:18 pm PDT?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like someone said, Argentina will talk to the owner of the circus...
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..... not the monkey
@79
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ironic really that CFK acts like a ring leader of a circus really. If you are also suggesting the Falklands are a monkey perhaps this highlights why the Falklanders and an increasing international group find Argentina's pursuit of the islands agressive and alienating. You need to deal with the people whose lives will be affected. Perhaps if Argentina was forward with the islanders maybe there would be progress. Ever think about that.
@79 might be a very long wait if that's your attitude
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time is on the islanders side - the more time that passes away, the more irrelevant your claim
Why not try being nice to the islanders - you might get more success (although I think it will take years to win any kind of mutual trust)
Try it TTt any hostility towards fisherman in falkland island ttw's will be subject to UN charters ( Oh shit I forgot u own them don't u). How are you going to destroy the fishing around the falkland island , perhaps poison the rivers. You don't care about British flagged ship's fishing , oil or human rights,in fact you just don't care about the people who live there do you. Oh well don't speak to us then away and sulk , shout , scweam won't be a day to soon. Come back when A.. You have an arguement and B. we give a fuck. TTT I honestly thought you were a sensible adversary but now I realise your just a brainwashed hypercrite like BK and the rest well shit happens
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 Yep!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should be nice to the Falklanders and listen to their demands. After all, Argentina has no control in this matter and are powerless.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 075 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Presumptuous'??? How very...neocolonialist of you. Are us uppity colonials getting above ourselves and need to be put in our place by you?
You're very funny. You've been trying to destroy our fishery (and your own) for years. Fortunately, you couldn't find your arse with both hands.
Al brits go home,..... the flag of FALKLAND are ilegal in this continent and all planet.....
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The usual suspects :-)
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/c24-continues-to-discuss-the-falklands/
Why should we talk to this smal group of British living in Argentina?
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0About an year ago Mr Dick Sawle, an Englishman surfer and politician in Malvinas, visited Washington. BBC interviewed him and another Englishman official from London.
I like the part in the video when one englishman tells the other englishman living in Malvinas “as long the FI wish to remain British..and they do” and Mr Sawle seems to agree, like he is going to say anything else, laughable.
The British living in Malvinas are puppets from London, amd most of their so called “government officials”were born and raised in England.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13960457
86- It is on the websites of 2 South American States I know of! It flies at the Commonwealth games in whichever Country holds them - India last time.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't care about the fisheries, or the environment in that area, I don't live there. All I care is to put all the arrogant morons here in their place.
@82
No I don't care about the Falklands industries, the British in international waters or anything else you mentioned. Problem with that?
Do any of you care about us? Of course not, nothing personal.
@84
The Falklanders DEMANDS?
:)
You people seriously should donate your brains for scientific research.
@85
Seriously, we can't be bothered to destroy your fisheries. That's why you are having such “great seasons”. Take the sovererignty issue aside, and for Argentina you don't exist.
' Take the sovererignty issue aside, and for Argentina you don't exist.'
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, and the Argentine tradition is to disappear inconvenient people and make sure they don't exist.
@91
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If 2-3 years makes a “tradition” what about the British/European tradition of murder and conquest... that one went on for 2500 years.
So tell me Faulconbridge, if I'm a nazi repressor because you call my country so due to a 2-3 year period, what does that make you Europeans for a 2 millenia episode?
I think I know officially earn the right to call any European here a genocidal execrable murderer and vile oppressor.
You can call me nazi people thrower of course.
90 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0'arrogant'?? Yes, you're still just a pathetic troll. You can't put us 'in our place', because we're already here, you idiot.
We're having 'great seasons' because we know how to run our country, and you don't.
Why don't you take that fantastic dictionary of yours and find out how to spell 'collloquy' and 'sovererignty'? On the whole, we don't find that adding extra letters to words in English makes them more effective.
@94
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey if there is one thing I have never done, is be faultfinding about people making orthographical errors. Now that would be pathetic. I have seen everyone here commit them.
Anyway, how do you explain this great season in “Ilex” if we are supposedly hunting them down to extinction (like you did with the Falkland Island's fox).
Just another Falkland lie, that's all.
In fact, between Argentina and the FI's, only one of those two entities has actually brought a mammal to extinction.
Hint: the answer does not begin with an A.
Come, come, TTT, you're the one who repeatedly called yourself a nazi.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 094 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't generally comment on spelling. I make an exception for you because you use ludicrously archaic words and tell us that your english is better than ours. Just stop.
Your government told your fishermen to overfish the squid. They didn't, because they couldn't find them. As I said, co-operate with us and share the expertise of our world- class scientists, or don't. It's all the same to us. It's a pity about the Southern Blue Whiting though. You definitely stuffed that fishery. Bravo. You must be very proud.
As for the warrah, when that was being hunted here, you were having 'Indian hunts' to exterminate your native tribes, with a bounty on ears. Don't get cocky with me sunshine.
To my fellow supporters of the Falkland Islanders
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been reading one of Argentina's better and more independent newsapers, Clarin, today, in particular an article concerning the letter prepared by the Falkland's MLA's, which the Argentine delegation refused to receive at the UN meeting. The journalist handled the story in a responsible way, much to the disappointment of the Malvinistas and fans of CFK's govt...who posted their usual offensive and obnoxious posts.
Interestingly, not all the Argentinian posters went along with these fools as I found quite a number of people going against their ignorant views and showing some some respect towards the Falklanders. For example, some Argentine posters recognised the fact that they too are settlers in Souuth America, so it would be hypocritcial to tell the Falklanders to go back to Britain without telling themselves, the Argentinians, to go back to Europe. Argentinians, at least a percentage of the more intelligent ones, can see through this farce and want a new government as they see their country descend into an economic mess.
So to Malvinistas and fans of CFK, like TTT, Marcos, Malvinero, Helber,Troneas, British Kirchnerist, Think, etc, keep up your senseless and offensive posts....more and more Argentinians are tiring of this distraction and want their government to focus its attention on more important issues, like your poorly managed economy.
To the Falklanders, keep on keeping on and don't let these foolish posters worry you. It's all hot air from a group of ignorant and very nationalistic hotheads with no interest in the truth or concerns for such basic human rights such as the right for self-determination.
All the best from Downunder.
@96
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spelling is not only a matter of intelligence or hard study, but speed and accuracy in typing, rather than pure ignorance. 99% of my spelling errors can be explained by the former. I would assume those made by others here as well.
Let's see... hunting animals with an IQ of 30 and no weaponry whatsoever, or engaging in genuine warfare with fellow human beings with at least the capability of mounting an intellectually challenging (and dangerous) counter.
Which one is more honorable... I suppose.
(there is a reason people are far more moved by images of baby seals' skulls being clubbed open by Anglos, than sometimes even human children, much less adults, in warfare. We instinctively assume the human has at least some remote opportunity to defend him/herself).
Morally, they are both equally reprehensible. So the edge to execrability must go to the hunting of innocent animals.
Congratulations!
We are not interested in fishing. As said before, you have nothing to offer.
98 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not actually doing your trolling from a high security prison in Norway, by any chance, are you?
How about oil TTT? would you be interested in any of that? (hypothetically of course, in reality you and the rest of your scumbag countrymen won't see a drop of it)
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just plagiarised this from AP's facebook status:
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0ARG.gov: “Churchill says we should all sit down and listen to everyone”
FIG: “Do you want to listen to us?”
ARG.gov: “No”
FIG: “LOL”
@100
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plenty of oil in Mendoza, flowing and massive quantities @Vaca Muerta to be pumped when the conditions to do so are favorable.
So no.
And luckily for us, it won't cost us our oceans to extract it. I can't wait for the first massive spill a la Gulf of Mexico to hit you... with the caveat you are thousands of miles away from staging the emergency response (instead of a few dozen like the Gulf of Mexico disaster).
@99
Nah, I'm not an Anglo, thus not of those tendencies. Latins are not serial killers.
@ truth telling troll.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess I am being a bit antagonistic using the word DEMAND but I'm trying to illustrate how unhelpful it is for the Argentine gov's when they keep demanding things. It just makes the other side resist more and isn't very diplomatic.
Lets face it, this point scoring on both sides will achieve absolutely nothing. The UN is unable to do any more than it already has done - i.e. you guys should have a chat. How long have they said that?
No country, or UN peacekeeping force is going to take up Argentina's cause and remove the Islanders or put Argentina in administration are they, and Argentina certainly can't so what now?
Possibly the best thing to do is accept the people on the islands as many of them were born there. That is the only home they know and it is rather illogical when people on here say they need “to go back home”.
The pm has said the UK will uphold the wishes of the FI so the Argentine gov really needs to try and build some trust with the FI again and not ignore them.
Those people matter in this, you and i don't
Those people matter as human beings. That's all, Argentina does not have to accept them, or listen to them, just leave them in peace.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Those people matter as human beings. That's all, Argentina does not have to accept them, or listen to them, just leave them in peace.'
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0...which means not trying to take over their home.
In practical terms that is Argentine policy- all the noise is for domestic purposes while Argentine politicians don't actually want the Falklands. That's why they demand negotiations and insist there is nothing to negotiate about. They'd need to find other ways and reasons to blame foreigners- 'enemies', to use your own term- for Argentina's condition then.
Enemy:
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 01: one that is antagonistic to another; especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
2: something harmful or deadly
3a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force
All of your antagonistic, all of you injure us with your comments that we are inferior, scum, nobodies, most of you want us to be overthrown (cease to exist as a country), many of you seek harm upon us, some deeath, and a few military action.
By definition, Americans, Europeans, Falkland Islanders, and many Latin Americans are our enemies. And we treat you accordingly. Good nigtht.
@ 104 the true king of all simians
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0how do you leave a people in peace, when you act like a bitch towards them......think about it!
have a chat with them and start to open doors....within a period of time UK and islanders may start to trust RGland and then....who knows? Maybe a referendum that goes RGLand way, and there you have it!
'By definition, Americans, Europeans, Falkland Islanders, and many Latin Americans are our enemies. And we treat you accordingly.'
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The paranoid paradigm of politics.
Argentina, go back to what you do best: starving to death as Kirchner rapes your country and counts her Swiss millions. When the lights go out in Argentina, she will be thousands of miles away sipping champagne and groping toyboys who puke as soon as her back is turned.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only a country of imbeciles would fail to rise up and depose that old whore.
Mr Short is one of the few people implanted by UK in the Malvinas Islands after stolen them, only to justify the false argument of self determination. Obviously the self determination doesn´t apply in this case because the population of the Islands was implanted by the country who stole them, in addition, this same country apply a very restrictive inmigration policy to avoid changing this artificial scenary. The truth is that UK only want to steal this territory and its resources, therefore to reach this objetive, every lie or false argument is important for UK to justify what it is very clear: ANOTHER BRITISH PIRATE COLONY.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Argies. If you want us out then it is either economic sanctions, legal action or military action. Why are you bunch not actually willing to do anything? Unless you are willing to act nothing will change.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Just think of him as one of the magic pixies that lives on the imaginary 'Malvinas' Islands.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done to the FIG for offering dialogue. This shows me that your elected reps understand diplomacy as one would expect from any government.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only, Argentina don't do dialogue, they only do monologue.
I really feel for you living so close to the ship of fools that is the RG governmen
Give them nothing and as you prosper they will slide and we'll see who wants to talk then.
Stay strong
Regards
Scottish person
What is it with the Argentine mentality. Is it “loss of face” to talk to the Falkland Islanders ? The UK has had to deal face-to -face with the IRA even when they were car bombing randomly, the population of N. Ireland. It was not a pleasant thing to do but the outcome was worth the trouble.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why can't the same apply to talks between the involved parties.
Getting a clearer picture of the warped psychology of @98 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0An extreme nationalist, socialist, Animal rights nutter, equating the murder and genocide of, indigenous south American people with the killing of vermin (albeit a rare species), in the form of a fox. He also appears to have a vehement hatred of what he calls 'Anglos' and Europeans in general. A sort of 'La Raza' Nazi. Nice.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/letters/letters-dont-you-see-the-irony-here-7851884.html
Jun 16th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0France, Australia, the Netherlands and Spain have external territories but no problem from the United Nations or legal challenges from neighbouring countries. We, in comparison, have issues in Diego Garcia, Gibraltar and the Falklands, all of which are in the news at the moment. Why do only our territories have issues?
I think it is because we have not incorporated them into the UK proper but have persisted with colonial status, which is outdated. Now that devolution has become established within the UK, we should invite our overseas territories to choose to either join the UK as devolved home nations or to become independent.
Luke Magee
Ashford, Kent
@57 If you were to read the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties Article 3 you would understand that the Falkland Islands does not need to be a “State” within your narrow definition to negotiate or enter into treaties. So when you superciliously suggest that you know more of international law, you should be sure of your ground.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 It's not argentophobia. It's an intention to promote honesty, integrity, intelligence and, of course, self-determination.
@75 Aaaahh. Another intention carry out an act of war and breach the UN Charter.
@76 No longer worth noticing!
@79 Argieland needs to understand that it needs to start by talking to those closest to its level. Not AT its level. Just, barely, within reach. The Falkland Islanders, to their credit, appear willing to look over the edge of the plateau and listen to you calling up from the swamp. Perhaps, if you grovel enough, they “might” be persuaded to talk to Britain for you.
@88 They are the only people you are going to get to talk to?
@102 “Latins are not serial killers.” Yes, you are. 1492 to 1898.
@104 Not much chance of you leaving them in peace. Well, not until you've “cleansed” them.
@110 STFU
@114 Argieland is much worse than the IRA or even PIRA. The nearest equivalents are Iran, North Korea, the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
110- JohnFarrel - do check facts before you make an idiot of yourself! There is ZERO difference in immigration rules for someone coming into the Islands who is either Argentine or British.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also please list on here the resources that the UK are stealing and tell me how they are doing it?
#97. Good popst thanks.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What happened in NY ? CFK came amid much pomp and circumstance with a delegation of 96 - yes 96 !!! - accolytes, delayed the meeting 45 minutes, made a long and rembling speech which added nothing new to the debate and claimed Argentina to be a leader in human rights (tell that to the journos who regularly get assaulted for daring to disagree) , then flounced out leaving Tinman to pick up the pieces. He had announced Argentina has a disposition to sit down and listen, and then refused point blank an invitation from the Government of the Falkland Islands to do just that.
So why did the President of an important nation demean herself by going to a lowly Committee of the UN. Perhaps to convince people back home that she is so busy with the Malvinas she just hasn't had time to attend to the poor or to the economy (remember on 1 June '82 Galtieri was still winning the war in the Islands). Or was it to just give more oxygen to the campaign from the Falkland Islanders to have their right to self-determination put right at the centre of any dialogue. Is she a traitor ??????
Clear win on points for the Falkland Islands. Thanks again CFK/Tinman.
@98 ' baby seals' skulls being clubbed open by Anglos'
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me but where do English people now engage in clubbing open seal skulls???
You have forgotten perhaps that Argentinians still engage in this vile practice in Antarctica by clubbing Fur Seals. Does this mean that Argentine's are now 'Anglos'???
Argentina are home to more environmental disasters than the UK by the way-ie deforestation, and dumping toxic waste like television sets on open dumps etc, where children can access them.
@110 Is MLA Short 179 years old then? He must be the oldest human on Earth. The Falkland Islanders are not an implanted population. Most of the Islanders were born there that's what makes them native to the Islands. If they were implanted, there would be noone there born on the islands and would all be transported from the country that implanted them. This is another Argentine fairy tale.
The Falkland Islands were not stolen by Britain, as they never gave up their claim from 1765.
How do the Falkland Islands apply a restrictive immigration policy when Argentines, Chileans, are allowed to become citizens? And if that is the case, why in the 1800s were Argentines and other South Americans allowed to work for Lafone?
There are many examples of people from many nationalities who populated the Falkland Islands from the 1800s to the present. An implanted population could only have been made up of 100% British people , actively shipped out from the UK. However the Falkland Islands is a demanding environment which means only people that want to be there can stick it. Most of the settlers on the Islands went there of their own choice and many without any assistance from the British Government, therefore there is no such thing as an implanted population in the Falkland Islands.
@115 is the beau ideal of a European “human being”: incommensurate narcisism amongst the family of tribes of men, dispises judicious and provident husbandry of his domain (thus to him foxes, sentient beings, are tantamount to “vermin”), spurns any alternative non-European views of what civilization or culture may constitute, etc. He does not at first glance appear to be expressly racist, though no doubt many of his acquaintances are, it is an integral part of the European identity.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europe comprises superficially different cultures/entities, but they are united at the core by the above description; it is an inseperable trait of theirs.
To ALL
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop replying to Truth Telling Troll, he is a wanker and is only looking for a way to pass his time in cyberspace as his existence in the real world is irrelevant. To those who have read “A Confederacy of Dunces” TTT is Ignatius Reilly and I am sure he spends most of his internet downtime,(which is quite regular in Arg) masturbating wearing his mother's latex gloves while eating alfajores and dreaming of working in a pants factory. Ignore him!
Argentina does not want DIALOGUE THEY WANT DICTATION AND THE OIL NOTHING LESS NOTHING MORE! COME ON MR. CAMERON IT'S TIME TO START MOVING MORE ARMED FORCES TO THE FALKLAND ISLANDS AS HISTORY IS ABOUT TO REPEAT IT'S SELF! The Argentinian Government is in big trouble at home so now they are trying to save themselves by trying again over the Falkland Islands, all they really want is the OIL!
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing that I have said is a mental vagary of mine. It is all well established perception about Europeans. Ask anyone not named TTT.
What the Argies have failed to understand is that in diplomatic terms “ incredibly disappointed” means “ we don't give a monkeys”
Jun 16th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should get a taste of their own medicine. Perhaps the Islanders should start gate crashing KFC's press conferences demanding to know why she wont talk to them, to highlight their plight?
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can definitely sense the frustration from the Argentine commentators on here, they have put their case in as many arena's as they can, bored as many governments as are prepared to listen to them and for what? Seriously what has changed at all? What they seem to forget is that everyone has their own problems and when the rest of the world is trying to oust the Syrian dictatorship, Argentina is courting and supporting them, even whilst they murdering children at knife point. The Argentines are aligning themselves with some very undesirable regimes hoping it will pay off for them, but they are amateurs in the world of diplomacy and has been displayed for the world to see.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britemployee
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are talking to ghosts,or yourself .. there is no any Argentinian here.
The stupidities /ignorance of English side comments filled here.
Argentina [CFK]
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can fight for them,
You can go to the ICJ
You can talk to the islanders,
You can, if you really tried. tell the truth .
Or
Act like deceitful thieves like you are,
You can tell liars
You can be deceitful
You can insult
You can abuse and threaten,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The world is everyone,
Its not all yours .
.
Palpable frustration. I agree, what's in a name. Shall we swap Argentine for Spanish colonists?
Jun 16th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'It is all well established perception about Europeans.'
Jun 16th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see, TTT@124.
Other unnamed people allsgedly share your delusions.
#124
Jun 16th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand your chain of thought now.
I have just spent a length of time reading“The case of Argentina” by Carlos Escude-a distinguished academic. It explains a lot . To all posters here, especially the Argentinians, have a read at it and give us your reaction.
In the Victorian era and up to the mid 20th century, Britain was jingoistic.
By now, thankfully, we are coming out of it except for a few die hard nutters..
The Argentine has the same problem but has yet to recognise it - possibly because of their education system.
Does USA and UK talk to illegal aliens or do they just deport them ?? Why do English people think we should accept their bias attitudes?? This loosers should get a life.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@133PH
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not know about the US, but illegals in the UK, when caught, usually apply for political asylum, most get it. Once in this country, they are also protcted by the Human Rights Act, look it up. You would be suprised at some of the countries these people originate from, all claiming their life would be in danger if sent back, including some of the worst type of criminal scum, murderers and rapists. Not many are deported and that is a sad fact. In this country we have laws, even if they are fucking stupid ones, that protect them and many lawyers who make a very good living from them. Oh and do you mean, “The losers should get a life.”
Argentina's government's snub is blatant but islanders fear not, as usual Argentina has put its foot right in it and hurt themselves over the very long term. You islanders have been gracious enough to offer them friendship and opportunities and Fernandez and her backers are so busy slapping themselves on the back that they have yet to realise the foolishness of their actions.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again I must commend the islanders on the presentation at the committee, well prepared and well presented. CFK on the otherhand thought she could wing it but only managed that when talking about the birds!!!!
@98 Where do Anglos club open baby seals?
Jun 16th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is your postition on the Argentines that currently club fur seals to death in the Antarctic?
116 The Cestrian
Jun 17th, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0we thinks you have a very valid point .
@133
Jun 17th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have we lost? What have you gained? The answer is nothing.
#133
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. Britain does talk to illegal aliens and in many cases they are still here years later. They are afforded the protection of the law and can take the UK government to The Court of Human Rights which can overide UK law. Does Argentina have anything like this?. What illegal aliens do you mean?
There are none in the Falkands at present as far as I know.
The last ones I heard of were in 1982 and were politely but firmly sent back to their country of origin.
137
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0we.... ....?(plural)
who are you ?
133 Pirat-hunter
Jun 17th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Does USA and UK talk to illegal aliens or do they just deport them ?? Why do English people think we should accept their bias attitudes?? This loosers should get a life.”
What does Argentina do with illegal aliens? I met a bunch one day that offering “Paraguayan happy endings” in the back room of a bar, I guess their quality of life is just awesome! What is a “looser”?
@132 Let me make a suggestion to you. Argieland is a “young” place. Its bloggers on here will occasionally proffer that as their “excuse”. For example, TiT has used it, suggesting that being only 200 years old, they do not have the experience of Europe. This adequately displays the childishness of argies and argieland. Is the Atlantic Ocean the “river Lethe”? Does crossing it automatically make one forget all that has gone before? According to TiT, it must be. The Atlantic Ocean is, of course, incredibly selective. The English, and nationals of other European countries, crossed the North Atlantic. Amazingly, these people, who became North Americans, managed to carry their civilisation and knowledge of their past with them. And thus we have Canada and the United States. By contrast, the Spanish and Portuguese, and to some extent the Italians, crossed the South Atlantic and immediately lost all their civilisation and knowledge of their past.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, in contrast, we Old World Europeans can talk to New World “Americans” and Canadians and exchange views at a comparable adult level. It appears that we can't talk to New World “South Americans” and exchange views in the same way. Because they are “young”, i.e. childish. Can it just be the education system? Or the working of a darker force?
If we remember, by the 1830s the United States was acting in a similar mature and legal fashion to the United Kingdom. So it can take a post-colonial society as little as 65 years to achieve maturity. And then we can contrast somewhere like argieland. Using the example of the United States, they should have achieved maturity by around 1875. But, as we can see, even 200 years after inception, they haven't. Is it a mental problem? A character flaw? Inbreeding?
But I think it fair to say that, barring a major cataclysm, argieland is at least a century from maturity. Should we bar them from contact with “the world” for that time, or go in and re-educate? Rejects to the River Plate?
@142
Jun 17th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the problem is the use of Espanol. Yesterday I was looking at a piece of technical equipement with the handbook in Spanish.
My Spanish teacher explained what the paragraph of 30 words said.
I put the whole thing into six words of English with a more accurate meaning.
There is also the LatAm temperament which does not help. We have bought a lot of new appliances, furniture, etc. since coming to Uruguay, and have had a number of problem that frankly would not have been the case in the UK, mainly Brasilian made items.
Explaining and showing the problem to the supplier invariably results in them raising their voice to us. So we then took our teacher with us: they then raised their voice to her! They have no sense of customer service unless you go to McDonalds, who have obviously instilled their core values into the Uruguayo teams.
I would imagine, from the Malvinistas on here, that the problem is even worse.
Gavin Short is right , the English sympathizer comments are “” incredible disappointed ” which not have able to defense English interests.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143
Jun 17th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is what happens when you scrooge your cents on cheap teachers.
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Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is what happens when you scrooge your cents on cheap teachers.;
Like the one who taught you what you imagine is English, TTT?
@146
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does letting jaundice dictate your statements do for you? Does it change the fact my English is better than yours as a non-native? Not really.
144 McClick
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still here, you pathetic excuse for a computer?
you do not make any sense!!
“which not have able to defense English interests”
What does this mean?
It's no use trying to talk when no one can understand what you are saying ( right TTT? ) now go away and write out 100 times “I must do better”
'What does letting jaundice dictate your statements do for you?'
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eh?
'Does it change the fact my English is better than yours as a non-native? Not really.'
Who is supposed to be a non-native what, TTT?
Your reply to me seems out of jealousy (but that's too simple a word, jaundice is better, it is more sophisticated form of jealousy based on weariness and letting such affect your opinions of someone)...
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...Since you stated I can't speak English (clearly a comment so innacurate and lacking objectivity that it could only debouch from a wound).
The non-native is me of course.
'Your reply to me seems out of jealousy (but that's too simple a word, jaundice is better, it is more sophisticated form of jealousy based on weariness and letting such affect your opinions of someone)... '
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Source for this 'definition' of 'jaundice'?
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...Since you stated I can't speak English (clearly a comment so innacurate and lacking objectivity that it could only debouch from a wound).'
Where have I said you can't speak English? I merely think you do to the Englich language what people in the Naval Mechanics School in Buenos Aires did to political prisoners.
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The non-native is me of course.'
A non-native what, though?
@122 ZHIVAGO
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THIS WEB PAGE APPROVED BY MERCOSUR IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PORT-A-JOHN.. YOUR CRAPPING IS THE LOUDEST.....
140 MistyThink
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WE We we
And your point was what .
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This is what they are like when they cant get their own way they try to kick shit out of the little guy.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2160615/David-Nalbandian-kicked-Queens-Club-final.html
Does it remind all of you how petty and vindictive this puny corrupt country Argentina is.
First the hand of god,
Jun 17th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then the mouth of god,
Now the foot of god,
What next .
#154
Jun 17th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is hardly fair comment. I have just watched the incident on TV.
In a fit of frustration, he lashed out at the ball, in no way did he intend to kick the linesman. He paid a heavy price for his misdeed as he should have..
I would not ascribe this action to Argentinians in general. Remember John McInroe ?
@154
Jun 17th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough.
So, as a Brit, how many times were you left alone at a pub because your parents were too wasted to recall your existence?
@133 The Falkland Islanders have got a life, better than yours. Because its government runs its country better than yours.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0152 Sussie US
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly the loudest! I have only chosen to pick out the worst pieces of shit and try to make them move on. You are scum!
153
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0WE We we !
well ,...you chip off more and more ....!
Chip=fries = French =?
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spell=witch=one=?
Point=tip=pencil ?
Clever=sarcastic=silly l=?
Envy = jealousy =lost =fact ??
@88 Marcos
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British living in Malvinas are puppets from London, amd most of their so called “government officials”were born and raised in England.
Actually more than half of the MLA's were born in the Falkland Islands. I was born in the Falklands and have voted for both people born there and not. Those MLA's that were not born in the Falklands have still made a conscious effort to better the country they love.
I think that TTT is just here to try and impress a bunch of strangers with his education, either that or just just drops the odd word in synonym.com
157 Truth_Telling_Troll ------- Every frigging night you waster along with my brother from 6pm until 11pm , my parents owned a pub.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@142 ConQUERR
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US achieving maturity?.... how?
US women still are considered a second class citizen. US women are descriminated from the work force.
USwomen are sexually harrased in all places, by civilians and military.
The US has the higher record of crooks in jails. The US jails are overcrowded. Home invasion, day and night robberies, sexual assaults, and other type of crime cost taxpayers billons of dollars.
The majority of US citizens are addicted to alcohol, smoke, drugs and food.
The US has the higher divorce rate because of the couple inmaturity to cope with life adversities.
The school system “No child left behind” proves that the education system needs reform.
The US has the largest population suffering mental illness.
The US goverment is corrupted same as other countries.
The US goverment has failed to maintain a budget and keeps borrowing monies from third world countries in order to keep afloat.
The US congress budget for 2013 includes drastic reduction of personnel from the armed forces and reduction of funds for education, transportation, health care system, etc.
If you don't like my country Argentina, say so.
I don't like the english people.
For some reason the english people are known as “bloody rubbish english people ” all around the world.
Troll Guy
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What a presumptuous people you are. We should destroy your fisheries by exterminating all the fish around the Falklands for your arrogance.”
What a major let down that comment is man - For one with such a regal command of our language (know your enemy, I like it;) , appearing intelligent...
Kill the fish? lol
The best I've read on here yet - congratulations
SUSSIE US164
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are confused, your stats refer to hispanics and hispanic women, most Americans I know live quite well, I guess cleaning hotels rooms and waiting on tables is not quite the American dream you were looking for.
@166 Zhivago (#)
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and ConQuerr are the ones negatively making the wrong comments about my country. You have the choice to critize other countries such as the Philippines, Bangkok, Vietnam, Indonesia, the worst of all, but STOP saying bad comments about my Argentina.
Some of the americans you know lives well, but the majority are not.Check the internet.
Can you accept the fact that 24 millons americans are looking for work...
these americans will accept any type of work...but there is not open positions...26 millons american living under poverty level...46 millons receiving food stamps These are FACTS, so ACCEPT IT.
I never worked as a waitress or cleaning rooms.. I don't need to work...I am enjoying my retirement years traveling from CA, NV. AZ and Buenos Aires, Argentina.
I am healthy, I eat the best prime rib dinners, I am active from 5 am to 1o pm, I have the perfect san tan, I keep my skin healthy, I don't have any wrinkles and my european looks are perfect...what else can I ask for?...The majority of american women are overweight and ugly and depressed. The majority of american women are 1 or 4 times divorced and descriminated from all places. Physical abuse kills hundreds of american women...American men are short tempered and abusers...
While growing up in Argentina I learned from my parents and teacher the maintain a perfect grooming...Come to the US and take a look to the young generation ....they look like hippies. Come to the US and see the old american sick and poor looking...trying cope with their medical bills.
THESE ARE FACTS, SO NOW SHUT UP.
SUSSIEUS167
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think that telling me to shut up would make me shut up, first of all I don't take orders from anyone, especially skank wet-backs! You seem to hate Americans yet you don't mind taking advantage of all they have to offer, the words maggot and parasite come to mind. I have been a regular visitor and have lived in Argentina since 1977 so I don't get my ideas from the internet, I make my observations with my eyes, not vomiting statistics. You are the reason your beloved Argentina is a laughingstock, at least you have access to the truth where you are, you are just too stupid to see it. By the way, shouting doesn't make you right, it makes you look ignorant, your “beloved” Argentina is heading into the shithole again and your lack of attention to history will become your downfall.
Mind your country manners!
#167
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a strange person. You loathe and despise the USA and the UK.
I cannot understand why you are in America as you appear to hate everything about it. Why are you there, please enlighten us.
From your own description of yourself, you must be gorgeous.
Could you post a picture of yourself so that we can all revel in your good looks.
By the way, what do you have against hippies ?
I see also that you have visisted every country in the world to ascertain that
the whole world population thinks“ bloody rubbish english people”
I live 120Km from the English border and don't think that.
When peoples are fleeing from persecution, the UK seems to be their country of preference - not any Latino, Hispanic country or what ever you call yourselves.
I don't hear of any huge migration from the USA to Mexico - rather the reverse !
Argentina's democracy is barely the timespan of a decent length mortgage in the Western world. It is not far enough away from the actions of the military junta and therefore still demonstrates what appears to be its innate resorting to aggression and force. Argentina's people did too little to oppose the military when they were in power and what was done by the military was done in their name whether or not they accept this. Argentina's behaviour is infantile in the World of democracy like a child throwing its toys out of the pram when it does not get what it wants. Mature democracies will not give in to this blackmail.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
@168 Zhivago
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169 Clyde15
Strange person?...How?
I am in the US, North America because the US is my country.
I reside in Argentina, South America, because Argentina is my country. I have dual nationalities which is perfectly legal. Check the internet.
I have said many times that my 2 countries are in a bad economic times, the US debt clock.com keeps ticking...there is not any economic solution at this time for the US and Argentina except to follow austerity.
171 SussieUS ------ Now we know why Argentina and America is in the shit, its because you hold duel nationality God help both country's if there are more of you with the same idiotic tendency's.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still its nice to know that as Clyde15 said that many people come over to those bloody rubbish English for a better life and for freedom from oppression and has he concluded we don't see many oppressed people who are fleeing persecution nipping in to any Latin American country's for tea and sympathy. I wonder why that could be. As we have seen only to often the only persons nipping into your neck of the world are the oppressors and monsters who have done mass murder and are fleeing the lynch mob who would string the bastards up.
It must be great to have duel nationality if you come from Argentina, it means that you can go and live in a free society and forget for a while the many atrocity's that have been done in your name, and then when you feel the need to relive the psychopathic tendency's that we see in Latin America you can just nip back home and have a party.
#171
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK I came on a bit strong but reading your posts you seem to have a pathological hatred for the UK and it seems, the USA. Why, I do not know.
I do not hate the Argentine people as such. I do not hate anyone who posts here. It is your politicians with whom I take issue. Again, politicians are self seeking liars with few exceptions in all countries. They will do and say anything to keep power. The way to unite a country in troubled times is to focus on some external threat or grievance - Hitler played this card.
The Falklands are an easy target. They cannot do any damage to Argentina so lets bring this up again. In the UK,no PM or his government would survive handing over the Falklands to the Argentines. They were recovered by shedding blood and that takes a long time to ease.
After the 1982 war, Argentina seemed to be settling down to a democratic society. If the government showed the islanders that they were friendly towards them and no threat, then matters would have slowly progressed.
The door would have been slowly opened.
Much later, if this continued, then the Islanders may have thought - these people are OK, why don't we join with them if safeguards are made .
What happened, your government started demanding again and the door was shut and triple bolted.
As for diplomacy, we don't even speak the same language.
The Argentinians appear to us to be histrionic and excitable - Latino.
The British are phlegmatic and probably appear arrogant as we behave in the opposite way to you. It's just a matter of approach. The Chinese and Japanese are thought of as inscrutable to Euoropeans - if you show emotion you have lost face.
Anyway, nothing that anyone says here will have any bearing on the problem.
It is actually a very minor one compared with the world economy going down the plug hole.
@173 Clyde15
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not hate the US.
I am very concern about the US Debt Clock. Last July 31, 2011 Obama desperation for monies went public stating the US Department of Treasury had only 80 billons dollars only and he attacked the US Congress for “dragging their feet” to approve his 2012 budget plan. His administration is incompetent, simple inmature. He acts inmature. Take a look in the manner he descends Air Force One...snapping his fingers like a child....rather than to walk like a mature man of his age in charge of the US.
Referenced to the UK I do not like the UK and its people continously DEGRADING my country, argentinians and the argentine leader.
There is not such classification as argentinians be “inmature” or “childish”.
The spanish, italian and french, latin immigrants that made my country Argentina, were very honest hard workers. They imposed discipline and respect. Dating and marriage was a serious relationship. Personal grooming a must. Education a must. I remember as a child I did not bring a satisfactory report. My father refused to signed until I had improve my grades.
The latin immigrants that made my country Argentina had the best taste for food. The paella, ravioli, spagetti, asados, chorizos, etc.
They believed in good health.
Thanks to the latin immigrants from Spain, Italy and France I am in perfect health always buying the best food. Thanks them I learned to dress well, european style and keep the perfect grooming.
Spain, Italy and France are the best countries in Europe.
Argentina is the best country in South America. Take it or leave it.
174 Sussie US
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again you prove your dementia!
Let's see, Spain Italy and France, I picture Marshal Petain, Mussolini, Franco and your despot Peron all trying to perform fellatio on Hitler at the same time! Luckily for countries like US, Canada, UK and Russia they were all failures. They all had delusions of grandeur and have passed them on to the newer generations.
Incredibly disappointed ?? Actually mildly amused at how easily they fell into the trap. Us 1-0 Them.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Care for some more jousting ?
#174
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has the best taste in food. How about Indian, Chinese,Thai etc.
A subjective statement that could be refuted by many countries.
Believed in good health. Doesn't everyone ?
You learned to dress well from latin immigrants. Again, a subjective judgement.
Spain, France and Italy are the best countries in Europe - for what ?
Germany is pumping money into them at a phenomonal rate.
Spain has been kept afloat by massive EU grants - quite a bit of which comes from the UK tax payers.
Italy is a joke. I remember reading that the head of FIAT declared his earnings at 3000 Euros. The Mafia control the economy. Billions of EU Common Agricultural policy subsidies have been paid out to non existant olive groves.
I have experience of these matters as before I retired from the UK Civil Service when I had to verify repayment claims for the CAP.
On a personal level I like the French, Italians and Spanish.
I will dismiss the UK from the equation as all that will happen is venom and bile from either yourself or other pro-Argentinian posters
However, independant surveys always show the Scandinavian countries top of the list for the best countries in which to live, with Denmark always at the top.
#171 “we don't see many oppressed people who are fleeing persecution nipping in to any Latin American country's for tea and sympathy”
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assange? Ecuador?
@177 Clyde
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take it or leave it.
You have to accept the fact people thinks differently.
I have repeated many times that is unacceptable from Conqueror to degrade my Argentina, the argentine leader and argentine citizens as “childish”. Referenced to the argentine goverment and the us goverment in my response made to chilean Chicureo I clearly stated there is not such a “perfect goverment”.
To prove it, I mentioned several trials against the corruption practices of several argentinians and us politicians but Mercorsur did not approve it to post it.
I have also stated that because of Mercosur web site permits to place derogarotory words is this web site most of the viewers comments are a collection of crap dumped in a Port--a-John.
My choice for food and latin countries from Europe is my choice.
#179
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly the point I was trying to make. People do think differently.
All I was saying was that they were your opinion but you were calling them facts.
Where personal choice comes in to the discussion then your opinion is only that - an opinion.
If you say that 2+2 =4. Then there can be no arguement.
If you say that Argentina is the most wonderful country in the world, then that is an opinion . Other people have equally valid opinions for their country..
However, I do agree that the discussions from both sides verge on the gutter.
Let it fly over your head and don't rise to the bait. It only gives the poster a feeling of satisfaction when you reply in kind
#178
No doubt you believe in conspiracy theories.
Assange is to be extradited to Sweden to face charges for rape. They will be investigated and he will be tried for these offences. If found not guilty, he will be freed. A British court has ruled on this. If he faces extradition to the USA from Sweden, then he can apply to the court of human rights and they can sort it out.
Ecuador as a haven from persecution?
174 Sussie US
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Spain, Italy and France are the best countries in Europe.
Argentina is the best country in South America. Take it or leave it”
What are you, ten years old?
@174
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain-Broke
Italy-Broke
France-Kinda Broke
Argentine-Corrupt/Inflation/Stupid leadership and quite a few other negatives.
I think you will find the best place in the South America/Atlantic region is the Falklands. highest GDP per capita, best HDI, Best life expectancy etc.
Really? Higher life expectancy than Cuba? I know it has a higher life expectancy than the USA despite being a poor country, imagine what Fidel could have accomplished if he led a rich country
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0#183
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you believe in dictatorships?
I supported Fidel's aims when he took power from a corrupt regime.
“Freedom fighters” start off with good intentions but they never relinquish power once they have gained it. Hardly democratic when you hand over power to your brother.
@181 Zhivago
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat, there are not “perfect goverments” and the present economic bad times will take years to resolve...check the US Debt Clock...
In selecting countries I look for the best looking europeans people such as the spanish, italian and french people and their food.
I am the same age than YOU ... but in better shape...Every day I hear the same... “you look great”... Here in the US men and women turned their heads to look at me because of my european looks ... It makes me feel good...but YOU....are short, overweight and even viagra won't give you a chance....
185
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you this person ?
dont lie please !
http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/victimas/b/broccaj/
185 sussie US
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Short, I don't know what pictures you are looking at but I am 6 foot, two inches, I tower above most latin men.
Once again, you are a dink!
@181 Zhivago same ConQUUUUUEEERRRRR
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't like in the way you cover your asshole...big cowards! ConQUERRR
IS NOT A vip, HE IS PRETENDING TO BE “SUPERIOR”... DEGRADING MY COUNTRY...HIS FRIENDS IN ARIZONA DO BAKE THE CORNISH PASTRIES FOR A LIVING....HAHAHAH....
@TipsyThink
Hey, I don't have nothing to hide, I have given my name, location and telephone number....Why you keep in hidding?..why you don't say your name, location and phone number....ingleses odiosos fuera de mi pais....the sooner the better.....Viva Argentina!
188 Sussie US
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still want to know why you think I am short? Also, maybe I could arrange to have some free estrogen sent from Canada if you are a little short on funds these days.
@189 Zhivago
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why you continue degrading me with your messages..
I paid approximately $3,000 a year on health insurance. The US goverment paid 8O% on my medical expenses, to cover the other 20% I bought additional health insurance coverage just in case I ever need it.
Health care in the US is very expensive, but I have a health coverage known as Medicare.
Who takes estrogen? estrogen is linked to cancer. In the US estrogen has a warning stating that it may cause cancer... Additionally, women on estrogen obtained from pigs makes women look heavy and masculine .
You are so square. Don't bother to answer me again.
190 SussieUS
Jun 24th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Square!?
CUPID STUNT!!
BTW You still haven't answered me as to why you said I was short. Do you think I am Conqueror? You are dumber than I thought.
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