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PM Cameron: Argentina’s behaviour on the Falklands and trade remains “unacceptable”
During a speech at the House of Commons in London on Monday, United Kingdom’s Prime Minister David Cameron blasted Argentina for its “unacceptable behaviour” regarding the Falkland Islands sovereignty claim. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI hope the results of the referendum are published in the worlds newspapers.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Play them at their own game.
Interesting that CFKC was involved in a number of arguments. I guess the world is getting tired of Madam Tantrum.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How could anyone deny this? Argieland has tried to steal the Falkland Islands for 192 years. As the world has progressed, they have changed their story time and again. They admitted they had no valid claim in 1850 and again in 1866. They can't even comply with the UN Charter or a UN Security Council resolution.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The actions displayed by the Argentine government are not those of a responsible power on the world stage with threats and military rhetoric”
They aren't “responsible” and they shouldn't be on the “world stage”. They don't have enough “responsibility” to be admitted to the “theatre”. They lie. They cheat. They try to steal. They whine. They whinge.
Argieland should be expelled from the United Nations. Then, if the UN had the guts, the UN should go in and clean the place up. For a start, execution for every government and public “official” shown to have lied. That will get rid of the whole of the Federal government and, probably, most of the provincial governments. Then, seizure of the “fortunes” of all those executed. That should start to put the country back on its economic feet. Then, governments should be selected from the few remaining indigenous people. Territorial disputes with other S. Am. countries should be settled on the basis that argieland has probably been lying. Deviants must be “dissuaded”. Argieland must be controlled by UN police and armed forces. “Abnormal” behaviour must be discouraged. Groups of political activists must be stamped out.
Mr Cameron his behavior is unacceptable!!!!should be ashamed
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Anything “argie” should be extinguished. Permanently!
Jun 25th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 pa
Jun 25th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, well the truth hurts, DC has hit the nail on the head. CFK is a belligerent president, threatening peaceful islanders, throwing sand in the faces of a tiny community and isolating them financially, spreading slanderous insults through ambassadors and foreign secretaries. Paying for a snide advert and continuing to broadcasting it even when it is discovered a war memorial is abused. And Cameron is right about other parties feeling the sting in Argentina's tail through protectionism. Cameron faces his critics at Prime Ministers question time in parliament, CFK does not, she is cocooned, in the wrong job and leading Argentina down the nearest drain
Go on Dave.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are too mild mannered.
The UK quietly goes about its business in a diplomatic way and KFC gets all hot and bothered.
I would love to see what would happen if DC really did provoke her by...
- Providing tax incentives for Brits who want to move to the FIs to boost the population.
- Launching a massive high profile infrastructure project on the islands.
- Building a ESA launch pad for satellites that require a polar orbit.
- Getting HSBC to move their South American HQ there.
- Terraforming the islands so that they look like a big union jack from space.
She would just melt like the witch in the wizard of Oz and BK would be there as Toto lapping at the KFC puddle. What a horrible image, I think I am going to puke.
Go on Dave, in the name of comedy (it would also boost your popularity).
Having been on Mercopress for more than 12 months now, I am sick to death of the Argie lies and deceit that Argies try to perpetrate onto the world about the Falkland Islands and the British in general.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sorry to say this but the only way the Brits are ever to get a lasting respite from this Argie crap, is the next time the Argies try an invasion - whenever that willbe, is for the Brits to make damn sure they will never be in a position to mount another attack. At least for many, many decades.
This will inevitably mean attacking key sites on the mainland, throughout the whole country, to ensure ALL Argentinians learn that THEY must control their warlike governments that they keep electing if they want to prevent a recurrence.
A resolute LACM (land attack cruise missile) exercise with conventional heads would most definitely render the BsAs government inoperable and unable to 'govern' (yes, I know it's an oxymoron with the present bunch).
Oil installations rased, hydro-electric dams burst and machine rooms wrecked, electricity infrastructure decimated (in areas of conventional generation), transport links severed, mass transport lines blown up, Argie ships sunk in the ports and on the major waterways and grain facilities destroyed.
It would take them generations to recover from this and they would stop the bleating and whining while they tried desperately to live. Because just living would be a struggle and they may just contemplate the death and destruction they have wrought on themselves.
Mark my words, it will come to pass. It is in the Argie nature to push everything to unacceptable limits. But inevitably, THERE WILL BE A RECKONING.
@8 ChrisR Wow!- Strong stuff!
Jun 25th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The CFK government has run out of steam - both in terms of propaganda and the economy. They are certainly not a military threat.
I think it's a case of just sitting it out and waiting for a new RG government (or, of course, junta) and seeing if we can get some “on the ground” co-operation going with the new lot. If they play the same old tired record - that's their problem
I don't frankly ever see batteries of cruise missiles or ICBM's raining down on the RG's - they are a nuisance- nothing more -you can't swat a gnat with a baseball bat!
@8 -ChrisR
Jun 25th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While I share your sentiments, unfortunately the British cannot deliberately attack civilian structures in any country - Geneva Conventions and all - and unlike Argentina we abide by international law.
However, military targets should be no problems, and sometimes, even with the most advance weapons systems, missiles occasionally go astray. Maybe hitting the Parliament building or a dam - but it would be an accident - honest! ;0)
But in all seriousness, should Argentina ever attack the Falklands, then the logical choice is to take out their military installations on the mainland - airfields, dockyards etc... Maybe when they've had the sh!t bombed out of them, they'll grow up, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. It might just knock some of the arrogance out of them. They've been the bully of South America for the past 150 years, and I don't foresee any of the other nations doing anything to help them. Publicly they'll make tut tut noise, but privately they'll be celebrating.
Well done, Mr Cameron, show the screaming harpie how politicians should behave.
8 ChrisR
Jun 25th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'I am sorry to say this but the only way the Brits are ever to get a lasting respite from this Argie crap, is the next time the Argies try an invasion - whenever that willbe, is for the Brits to make damn sure they will never be in a position to mount another attack. At least for many, many decades.'
Well, it worked on the germans when they came back for seconds after 21 years........
I'm all for the UK teaching Argentina a lesson it isn't able to forget if it tries any further aggression towards the peaceful islanders.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina want's to keep bullying and is seemingly its proud of its bullying tactics the UK which is vastly more powerful in every area should return the favour and then some.
Sometimes when dealing with savages you've got to trade aggression with aggression since they are clearly unwilling to act peacefully towards the 3,000 islanders.
Its high time for a lesson they will not forget the bunch of cowards and liars.
Dedicated to small fat Cameron:
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/defence-and-security-blog/2012/jun/22/falklands-gibraltar-sovereignty
@8 ChrisR
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we let Argentina off too lightly last time after their aggression -we should have destroyed all their navy and air force and left them at the mercy of their neighbours .I dont think they could try a major attack on the Falklands ,but could try a sabotage raid on Mount Pleasant.
IF there is a next time Im sure British submarines already have their economic targets identified.
I bear no grudges against most Argentinian people, the problem is they have been brainwashed since school age.They just keep getting terrible politicians.Most people have bigger priorities than the Falklands.
Cameron also warned Argentina against making a fresh claim for the Falklands in the future
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very interesting remark, Mr Camaron
Please tell us , what will happen after the referendum , if argentina thus not only refuses to accept the result, but again , disputes the Falklands with a claim .
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“..a referendum on their political status would end the debate over ownership once and for all”
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says who? what debate?
“Cameron also warned Argentina against making a fresh claim for the Falklands in the future. ''The islanders have had to put up with endless attempts at endless summits to put a question mark over their future”
Mr Cameron
This is just the beginning, I will suggest to you to get used to it and take a pill for your nervs and another one for your blood pressure.
Britain could impose a trade ban with argentina,
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We to could refuse all argentine flagged vessels, from entering British ports, and ask our friends to do the same .
Many many things could be applied to CFK .
It only take a little bit of effort by mr Cameron.
8 ChrisR (#
Only 12 months,
Over 3 years here,
I must be mad .lolol.
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You say just the beginning,
Hitler said that in Nuremberg,
You wait he said, we Germans will knock the smile of that face of yours ,
And just like CFK and her cohorts,
They came , they tried , they lost . Full stop.
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Jun 26th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/falkland-islanders-to-determine-sovereignty-cameron/
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah - precedents :-)
Excellent article 13 Joseph Malvinas. “It's time to sever ties with the Falklands and Gibraltar”
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read the link below.
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/defence-and-security-blog/2012/jun/22/falklands-gibraltar-sovereignty
It is clear that David Cameron does not have the political stature of Cristina Fernandez. This is demonstrated by attempting to trick her with a childish trick. United Nations and the committee desolonizacion are very clear about that. Of the 16 cases of colonialism, 10 cases relate to the UK. The Falklands conflict is sovereignty. Not self-determination.
It is just the beginning. As the world public opinion the claim is internalized Argentino, see the legitimacy of its claim of sovereignty.
Argentina commitment to dialogue and peaceful claim adjusted to international law. UK having no valid arguments, bet on bullying, violence and terrorism with its threat of military base, which is suspected of having nuclear weapons.
“violence and terrorism with its threat of military base, which is suspected of having nuclear weapons”
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are kidding???
Terrorism?????? Explain!
Voilence???? Explain!
Nuclear Weapons base?????? Explain
Idle stabs in the dark Raul...really! Can you not put something more convincing together!!
Marcos Simian, Hi!!!! What did you do at school yesterday? Finger painting? Build a worm farm?
@ 16 He only used the word “debate” because you can't say Argie-bargie in The House.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 18 Vete a la mierda y lleva tu madre contigo!
Plan A. UK and Falklanders haul Cretina and all who sail in her into criminal court somewhere on charges of international and domestic terrorism.
Plan B. UK sends William Hague to BA - under cover - to bring Cretina's head back to Her Majesty on a stick.
Any questions?
@22
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC's head on a stick is not a very fitting gift for someone who demonstrates grace and resilience!
Just dump it the ocean - good crab fodder!
Thank you Raul for posting this interesting article at #20
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Recently released archives show that Britain deliberately hoodwinked the UN suggesting that the people living there(Diego Garcia) were merely contract labourers and not indigenous. Unlike the inhabitants of the Falklands or the Rock of Gibraltar, the Chagos islanders are not white.
Britain's claims to the Falklands are not as solid as successive British governments have suggested”
Simian Marcos,
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0if, for a second, we all agree on the RG claim to the Falklands, can you please explain your claims on the South Sandwich and georgia Islands??
Oh and why are the RG's so nervous about the economy?
By God, each nonsense they say these poor islanders! And resentment and powerlessness they feel causes the eyes to fill with blood .. For? Nothing will change and every day you spend less nations will hear until the day in the UK not hear .. But do not worry boys in Argentina will always be very near you!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are two different issues here. First: when did ever UK respect right of self determination? never, only in Malvinas/falklands case. Let's not be hypocritical and lest respect the good names of many people who has fought againts UK's imperialism, sucha as Mahatma Gandi. They say the respect when it's a coincidence, but if not they woulden't respect “right of self determination”. Uk only means bussines, and they will be there as long as is not a problem to carry with.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another thing to understand is not the right of Argentina on those islands, but the rebuff of whole southamerica, having to tolerate the UK there. Tomorrow, when UK is not longer there, the solution shall come soon. Even it could be an independent country or whatever. But please, let's not be hypocritical guys!
Regards, Fede.
So what will you do this time PM ?? will you go to turn around and walk fast after seen the envelope with the UN resolutions ??? be serious....
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Cameron,
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0THOSE ISLANDS THAT YOU SEE IN THE GLOBE ARE FROM LATIN-AMERICA MY DEAR.
Somalian Pirates should teach you to maintain your nature in place
sorry I have to go to my chair, i have some shit in my pants,
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I went to talk to Cris and she almost gave me an envelope, I just run away.... oh shit, where is my daughter ...???
Be Serious !!! PM Cameron, you are a leader of a nuclear superpower, you shit in your pants in because of a sudaca president ? go back to London and tell your commons chamber that you are a lion ( or a pussy cat...)
What makes me laugh about you Malvinist is that you dont see that nothing has changed!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is great, is that you merely have a claim, where as britian/falklanders do not need to claim anything because we already have it.......and FYI it is proving very profitable too, so I suggest you sit back and 1) learn how to run a successful economy, 2) show some grace and humility! Kisses xxxxx
13@ Very good article 13 Joseph Malvinas, yes !!!It is for fat Cameron!!!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good he's noticed, let's do something about it. Not just Argentinean type pathetic 'demands' and implied threats. I'd be inclined to give KFC the good kicking she's been asking for for a long time. Although that's probably exactly what she wants, so she can go whining to the UN again playing the poor innocent victim. I suppose we have to let them try to throw the first punch again before we give them a well-deserved spanking.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do hope the Argentine people have the good sense to elect a more rational government before the bunch of muppets they currently have in charge do themselves and their country even more serious damage than they already have.
Honestly there are some seriously deluded people on here.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have Raul suggesting Cretina is of a high political statue than PM Cameron. Just in case you forgot many countries are prosecuting Argentina for its lies and restrictive trade agreements among many other things and CFK gets widely ignored by all bodies including the UN with the exception of the defunct c24 that is run by Syria ('nuff said).
Apparently we also a violent, terrorist nuclear base (Yikes!!).
Someones lost their grasp of reality.
And when that wasn't funny enough we have hipolyte claiming PM Cameron run away from the envelope whilst meanwhile back in reality PM Cameron went and challenged Cretina who in return rambled like a 5 year old before trying to carry out a press stunt that failed when PM Cameron saw what she was trying to do and refused the envelope.
And if that wasn't funny enough you've got tinman then claiming its the wrong forum for such discussion and when challenged if that is the case why did Cretina come with the envelope to give to PM Cameron! Lol... It then gets even more funny when he calls the BBC liars and raises two fingers at them.
Meanwhile back in the warped head and reality of some of our Argentine friends Cretina and tinman embarrassing themselves equals some sort of diplomatic victory.
It's so bizarre sometimes its hard to even respond to these people (Cretina and her cronies or people on these forums).
And can anyone wonder why Argentina is in such a terrible state with the people leading it and these people supporting it?
Chimps tea party!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Marcos
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only the beginning you say, but you are sadly mistaken. The referendum is an instrument of self determination and applies just as much in the Falklands as Argentina or Greece or Egypt. Briton, the grandfather of democracy plays this game like no other, it is the grand master of lawfulness and good behaviour on the world stage. Argentina is mercurial, hot headed and immature with CFK and HT dragging you down even further. You have no hope in hell of stealing the Falklands.
And Marcos, don't worry about DC's blood pressure, if he falls ill our top ministers will always uphold the british viewpoint, the legal and legitimate and right viewpoint.
You guys cannot even abide by the rules of the ICJ , Britain can and does.
@36
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too many words for marcos! try using three letter words in caps. He's only just started using the potty!
@ Raul @ José Malvinero
Jun 26th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0re: www.guardian.co.uk/uk/defence-and-security-blog/2012/jun/22/falklands-gibraltar-sovereignty
You mis-interpret their intentions, sections of the media believe both the FI and UK would both be better off in the long term, if the Falkland Islands were an independent nation. There will be many more articles like this between now and the referendum.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/an-italyfrance-connection-to-falklands-oil/
Jun 26th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
@Steve @Rail @Malvinero
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The interesting thing about the Guardian article is that it makes no attempt whatsoever to assess the validity of the Argentine claim, although anybody with a browser and half and hour to spare can see straight off how weak that is.
What it does instead is to present a purely pragmatic argument, which is not without foundation and would be all very well if it had not been rendered irrelevant and politically impossible by the Argentine invasion of 1982.
@Fedescu
You seem to be ignoring the last 70 years and notably the end of the colonial era. The British Empire was variously dismantled, abandoned, or lost in favour of the principle of self-determination, which is also extended to the UK itself. There is no good reason to treat the Falklands any differently.
Students of history will not fail to note that CFK's rabble rousing and hectoring about these accursed islands are very similar to Hitler's demands in the mid 1930 's for the “return ” of the Rhineland , the Sudetenland ,all of Czeckoslovakia and finally , the Danzig Corridor in Poland .
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hitler used to refer to past wrongs , in his case the Treaty of Versailles , in the same way the Argentine bloggers on here refer to ficticious events in 1833 to support their flawed argument for sovereignty and then attempt to airbrush 1982 out history altogether .
Hitler always blamed any problem in Germany on jews , International capital and the communists .Cristina and her Camporista bloggers blame the English , the Americans , The World Bank and the IMF for all their problems in exactly the same way .
Other similarities :
The nazis controlled the press and the media , CFK is trying her damnest to do the same .
The nazis relied on the vilest and crudest propaganda they could produce.
The current argentine government does exactly the same , brainwashing schoolchidren with lies.
Like CFK ,Hitler didn't give press conferences either , preferring long rambling speeches to chosen supporters instead .
Argentina , like Nazi Germany has dozens of holidays on the calendar , all intended to promote nationalism and patriotic fervour .
Like Nazi germany , Argentina is inherently racist , though they will vehemently deny it.
Finally kirchnerism is a cult of personality , in exactly the same way nazism and fascism were in the 1930's and peronism was in the 40's and beyond .
Till Argentines take good long look at themselves , and realize how close to totalitarianism they are , the country will never change .
Marcos (16), how is this the beginning when you claim the end is near!? All I read on here is that England (Argies mean Britain) is finished and that it is only a matter of time before Argentina colonises the Falklands. So which one is true Marcos? Is it the beginning or the end? Or is it the beginning of the end? Poor Argies are mixing up their own rhetoric!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0#41 Quite true as I am reading Anthony Beevor's excellent book “The Second World War” at present and the similarites are quite remarkable.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0#20 “It is clear that David Cameron does not have the political stature of Cristina Fernandez”
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely true and I imagine quite obvious to most observers of politics in the world
@27 I think you will find that India DID exercise its right to self determination - it has been totally independent from Britain since 1947
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment “Another thing to understand is not the right of Argentina on those islands, but the rebuff of whole southamerica, having to tolerate the UK there. Tomorrow, when UK is not longer there, the solution shall come soon.” is nothing but racist. So, if I understand it according to your logic, the Islanders - because they speak English and are rooted in Anglo traditions have the whole of South America against them? Priceless arrogance.
Guyana must be worried!
This issue is a long way from ever being resolved but I believe that in the future there could be a system of joint ownership, similar to the agreements reached in the 1940s with Peron. However, this sort of solution (and i honestly believe it is the best the Argentine people can hope for) can only come about from a position of mutual trust and cooperation.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will only occur following years and years of diplomatic negotiation on other issues of mutual interest i.e. fisheries, oil, flight links, trade etc. In this way the population of the Falklands will see Argentina as a friend and not an enemy and will be disposed to discussing a joint sovereignty deal. Unfortunately at present there are a number of issues which are preventing this ever occurring (which will ultimately negatively affect the Argentine population)
1) The Argentine government must accept that the islands population a) exist, b) were not implanted and c) have a right to self determination as enshrined in the UN charter (which overules all resolutions),
2) Cease the current bullying tactics to force a solution and adopt a plan to endear themselves to the population, and
3) Take responsibility for the illegal war in 1982 or accept that colonization is a part of world history and move on. Argentine cannot argue on one hand it has no responsible for something which happened 30 years ago but then insist the population of the islands and the UK are responsible for colonization (I dispute the Argentine events of 1883) which happened over 100 years ago.
I work and live in Argentina and have a great deal of respect for the population here but this is one issue which cannot be solved by bullying. A peaceful solution takes time, a political desire and trust. Without trust parties cannot engage in any discussions on sovereignty. If the Government of Argentina really seeks a solution then they need to show sincerity and accept that the 1982 war has developed a feeling of mistrust which must be mended.
Some thing i notice when i look at argenitnas politician interviews, everytime the falklands war is mentioned they say' That was in our past, that was the military junta blah blah blah. But wasnt the british empire in our past too? Any country that the british empire had has been given back, can spain go back to argenitna and claim that land back? Does canada kick off when there french setllements such as st pierre. Yes the uk is related to colony type issues but the fact of the matter is, we do not dictate to the islanders they want to be british so they can. i dont see why you havea problem with it? Literally is an unjust lust for the land. Sort ya inflation out Argies n stop pickin on the foreigner I would hate to be Argentinan how theyre seen throughout the world is disgusting, there known to be liars and unfortunaltely your president doesnt do anything to change the mirrage. She wants to open dialogue but not with the falklanders themselves and refused a eltter from them. The claim to soverignty cannot be proved, when spain left argentina, Argentina wasnt declared a state till the 19th century and at that time the islands were uninhabitad. The whole idea that the islands are closer to you just shows what kind of country were dealing with. Argies think there hard with all the other corrupt latin american countries on there side, bah as hard as a floppy cock more like. The arguments coming from the Argies are hysterical, im actually in work at the moment with a group of 9 people laughing at these comments. Its cool though the hole office is talking about the falklands now and all teh office wants the islanders to decide what they want.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 I don't think there is much to discuss regarding sovereignty in any case.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine case looks thinner the more that you look into it. They have recourse to the ICJ and if they chose not to go down that road then, frankly, its their problem and not ours.
They are also relying on sophistry by trying to define what a “self determining people” is (I thought their claim was only about land - not what the islanders can and cannot think). Territorial claims over S Georgia and the S sandwich Islands just serve to make the claim seem even more stupid
@46 EA
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This issue is resolved but Argentina cannot grasp the bull by the horns to accept it. What will it take for them to accept it? They do not recognise the ICJ, they do not understand the UN charter. The've been feed a diet of mis-truths since the introduction of teaching of this lie since 1935. They started a war over it, they resort to crude advertising stunts about it. They threaten international businesses associated with the falklands. They ludicrously claim the falklands, south georgia, etc because 'it is just down the road'. So, EngineerAbroad if you are on the receiving end of all of that, are you going to be friendly to the bully? Not a bloody chance.
@48 and 49
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you! Which is why I stated that any negotiations can only commence once the bullying tactics have stopped and the Argentine government has elected to “to give peace a chance” not in words but in their actions.
I believe that no deal will be done until the 1982 is out of living memory or until the Argentine government accepts responsibility for it. Therefore how long they have to wait for negotiations is up to them.
What I proposed in my post is that should the Argentine government cease it bullying tactics and engage in peaceful tri-party negotiations (on other issues) then I am sure that the people of the islands could be made to see how Argentine could bring benefits to the islanders which in time (maybe a long time) could see some kind of joint sovereignty. As I see it however, the ball is in the Argentines court. They are not military or politically strong enough to force the issue (The UN will never pass a binding resolution as the UK sits as a permanent member of the security council). Peaceful discussions are the only wat forward and can only begin when Argentine shows the people of the Falklands that they can be trusted and respect them as a people and population.
KaMoron seems to be weak, stupid and he wants his @ss burned even Gordo now looks as a master in politics.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ EnginnerAbroad
You are absolutely wrong and you are putting your horse in the back of your wagon.
The Islanders lost their opportunity to do any good deal with ARG during Menen time (when they have friendly policy to the islanders) and didn’t work. Now is too late.
@46 EnginnerAbroad
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shared sovereignty would be the first the stage, in the full transfer of sovereignty over to Argentina.
Think about it, as soon as they have any kind of foothold in the FI tens of thousand of malvinists would be shipped in to distort the balance of power, then a few years later, they would organise a referendum, in which their larger implanted population would win the vote. This would be a terrible outcome for the islanders, effectively the ethnic cleansing of their traditions and culture.
A slightly better solution than shared sovereignty is to give Argentina West Falkland island and the Islanders/UK keep the East island.
But if the current set-up has to change, the best solution is an Independent Falkland Islands, with the Islanders maintaining strong links to the UK.
@51 I am unsure from your post whether you support the islanders or not, however if your argument is (as I think) that the Islanders are responsible for the cessation of friendly relations during the time of Mendez. Then you will find that it was Nestor Kirchiner that decided to unilaterally withdrawn from the agreements made as no progress was being reached over sovereignty. Basically he got impatient and thought it could all occur over a period of 5 to 10 years. Had he not withdrawn Argentine would currently we enjoying a 50-50% split on all hydro carbon exploration in the Falklands basin and as such would be lowering their fuel import bill. (The reason YPF was seized)
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also I would state that it is in Argentina’s best interest to negotiate as it is their only chance of ever achieving any measure of success. if the Argentine government are not prepared to go about this by accepted political and diplomatic channels they will be the ones disappointed not the islanders.
@17
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is absolutely zero chance the UK will persuade any country to apply a trade embargo, not even within the EU, let alone in the Americas or Asia.
The British on this board severely overestimate their government's influence in the world. You do have military superiority no doubt, but given Argentina's defiance against all nations of the world in all fronts (diplomatic, economic, political) over a whole decade, one can see how vacuous the diplomatic route can be, even for the UK.
Argentina is untouched by any of Cameron's diatribes over the last year. If he could have done something to harm Argentina unilaterally he would have done it by now, or convinced others to join him, which he has failed.
Argentina may not be a world power, but it is too big for the UK to do anything about without requiring the EU, USA to join them. And only the last couple of months have there been stirrings of this, but in the last few weeks there seems to be vacillation by the major powers to follow through.
Without a united front individual nations are too weak to harm Argentina significantly. Only as economic blocks (NAFTA, EU, rest of Latin America), could the stand a chance.
José Mavinero @13
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOBODY BUT NOBODY READS THE “GUARDIAN” SO I AM MOST GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR BRINGING IT'S CRAP TO OUR ATTENTION.
@20 I wouldn't mind the article to which you so kindly provided a link had it even been close to accurate. There is so much that it, conveniently, omits. But that is the way of liberals. And socialists. Liberals are, after all, only a sub-species of socialists. Just as socialists are a sub-species of communists and nazis. But, returning to the article, perhaps you'd like to tell us what happened between 1770 and 1776. Or who “formally” took possession of the Islands for Argentina in 1820? Don't forget to mention that individual's status at the time. At the same time, you might like to clarify how a Spanish settlement that was established in 1770 had lasted longer than a British settlement established in 1690. Strange how he doesn't go on to mention the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 and the address of vice-president Marcos Paz to the argie Congress in 1866. You know, the bit where he told the Congress that the only outstanding dispute between argieland and Britain was the compensation owed by argieland to certain English citizens. Any more lies you'd like to trot out?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 See above. Also re “the article” the Chagos Islands weren't “seized”. They were purchased. Take it from there.
@26 You WILL have blood in your eyes. YOURS!
@27 Could you list the countries who voted on whether they should remain part of the British Empire or become independent. And then became independent. The list is quite a long one. Self-determination.
@29 That Island you see is actually called TRACY ISLAND. Part of a puppet show. And you're the puppet, muppet.
@30 Not surprised. You're so full of it, I was sure you couldn't get it all out through your mouth.
@32 puerto sh*te.
@44 Quite true. I agree. It's very difficult for a British Prime Minister to appear as an ugly dwarf pygmy with a turkey neck and a face like a turd. But CFK does it well. Comes naturally, of course!
@51 But so much better than your slag. (NB slag = lowest class of free whore).
@EnginnerAbroad
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again you are the one like in Britain that say...
Oh! There is a heavy fog poor Europeans they got isolated again?
You have and only you lot are the only one to look for the way to get close to Argentina using you favourite channel (Britain) because only you have putted into this position.
As a fact of legal matter only UK cans negotiate because is who is disputing the sovereignty of those territories.
You say “I work and live in Argentina and have a great deal of respect for the population here but this is one issue which cannot be solved by bullying”
Someone force you to lose your Brit passport?
Someone mistreat you for being Islander?
Someone force you to learn Spanish if you didn’t want?
Someone was kicking your @ss because you were Islander and with BP?
Can you see your contradictions?
Anyone impartial observer will tell that you are the useful tool for UK to keep military presence in SA.
And none wants that and in the case there is war and UK loses you will end without anything to get a good deal.
Do you understand how things work in the real world?
Self-determination? They had to die in the millions to get rid of the UK?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My a$$. The UK never cared about self-determination. Nations that do don't end up with “Empires”.
Unless it was all a uncanny coincidence.
In many things quite unacceptable - hove to love this one though LOL!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9356711/Bishop-resigns-after-being-caught-cavorting-with-woman-on-beach.html
54 Truth_Telling_Troll & 57 DanyBerger
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, well, well!! If it isn't Argentina's answer to Laurel and Hardy or should I say tweedledee and tweedledum???
As I have said in the past DC is an a*swipe of the highest order, he is a weapons grade kn*bhead but on this subject, he happens to be right. So....... If he is such a kn*bhead, and he can see that he's right, where does that leave you two, who can't?? where does that leave KFC and laughing boy Timmerman??? If you can't see that what the present course of action that Argentina is taking is WRONG, on so many levels, why... you all must be bigger kn*bheads than our own David Cameron!!!
Nothing further your honour, case closed.
@60
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HonoUr, is a borrowed word in the English language (and admittedly, Spanish, French, Italian, Dutch, and German also).
Which is why there such confusion on how to spell it. Until it was introduced to the European languages, the natives didn't really know about the concept the word conveys.
@58 - Tobias
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who died in their millions? Stop making statements that are blatant lies, especially as you have no proof to back up your preposterous claims. Proof, Tobais, that's the thing that Argentina lacks in spades.
If the British really had killed people in their millions, why do we have such good relations with all the former members of the Empire? Answer that?
As for Empires, don't forget that the whole of South America was colonised by Spain, who committed acts of genocide and wiped out civilisations that made British colonial efforts seem tame by comparison. Must've been that compassionate Catholicism at work.
In the past, the British didn't care about self-determination, and neither did anyone else in the world. Self-determination is a product of the 20th century, brought about by the human cost of 2 world wars. The UN and the UN charter were a direct result of these wars.
Didn't Argentina sign up to the UN charter? That means that Argentina promised to recognise people's right to self-determination. Oh, but of course Argentina writes all it's treaties on toilet paper 'cos it makes it easier for you to flush down the toilet when you decide that you don't want to play anymore.
Now Tobias, stop telling lies, it's against Gods law and bad for your soul.
In regards to Mr Cameron, good show, teach these Argentine politicos how a true politician behaves on the international stage.
@59
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely had the photo uncovered a scantily clad Casanova, he would have been promoted to archbishop. That's not an Argentina problem, that is Catholic problem.
And no, don't take my comments as endorsing Protestantism either. Between a man-child church and a church of suicidal maniacs, I choose neither.
@57
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your argument makes absoutly no sense. I am encouraging the people of the Islands and the people of Argentine to work closer togethor for the benifit of both people to form a more harmoneous world. Where as you appear to be encouraging a war.
“As a fact of legal matter only UK cans negotiate because is who is disputing the sovereignty of those territories.”
The British government does not dispute sovereignity, the British government has defacto control and is very sure of its position that the UK has sovereignity. It is Argentina that disputes this and so Argentina who can only achieve a chnage by negociation.
“Someone force you to lose your Brit passport?” No, I have my british passport right here as well as my resident papers for Argentina.
“Someone mistreat you for being Islander?” Never been to the islands.
“Someone force you to learn Spanish if you didn’t want?” No, I learn Spanish because I believe it develops me into a better person.
Someone was kicking your @ss because you were Islander and with BP? “I am a mining engineer not a oil and gas Engineer so have no dealings with BP.
”Can you see your contradictions?“ No because I have not made any contridictions. Are you sure you understand the word? What I can see is your racism.
”Anyone impartial observer will tell that you are the useful tool for UK to keep military presence in SA.” Agree, but can you see why a population which was invaded only 30 years ago might want some milatry protection from a bully. I appologise that the UK has better equitment but we have a stable system of government.
And none wants that and in the case there is war and UK loses you will end without anything to get a good deal. There will be no war, the Argentine armed forces are woefully understrength and incapable of launching any offensive.
Why do you talk of war when I talk of peace?
Do you understand how things work in the real world?
Bit of a Latam problem given Paraguay's erstwhile President seems to have forgotten his vows whilst a Bishop!
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW TTT lighten up you all need to take a chill pill in Latam and learn about human rights (whose ultimate source in the modern concept is the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights ) i.e the rights of an individual should not be supreessed by the state - this may take you several hundred years to catch on however.
@62
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, we don't recognize self-determination now. Got a problem with that? The Falklands are safe and not a part of Argentina. Don't dare tell Argentina to recognize self-determination within its territory because it does not apply. Sovereignty trumps anything.
@65
You have no rights as an individual. Falling for a fallacy does not make it so. You are completely at the mercy of your government, you are watched on every corner, you are presumed guilty till innocent, you are dependent on it for most of your services.
On the other hand, I'm placing myself in a position to not depend on any country or goverment. I will be free (in 10 years or so).
Well well well Tit Telling Transvestite, dany fatBurger, Bk (tissue man) Mar-cock, Hypershite where do we start
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54. you have severly pissed off the Americans and Spanish so there's probably two already
@26 Really they'll only be one loser mate with blood in they're eyes YOU.
CFK a better politician than Cameron, my Dogs a better politician than Cameron which makes CFK a worm.
Nuclear power yes we ARE and don't forget it.
I think if you read the article carefully once or twice you can see the message, time for turkey lips to shut her botoxed gob, she is edging closer to a conflict she will regret, and all you RGenweeners will know nothing about it till it happens and be unable to respond. The UN will do nothing but shout and wave thier hands a bit like they are doing with Syria as I speak. In fact they may say you were WARNED.
Now cut out the shit and either do something about it or shut the fuck up and let people live in peace.
YOU'LL Notice I haven't included Marcos and Malvi in this thread cos they are a pair of oxygen thieves, who want a fight but have never been behind a gun let alone in front of it DICKHEADS!!!!!!!¬
@66 “Sovereignty trumps anything”
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am afraid this is not the case within the UN. You are obviously unaware (or conviently forgetting) of GA/SPD/406 issued by the general assembly in October 2008 in which the principle of self determination was upheld as a basic human right and still applied in cases of sovereignty dispute. Thereby indicating that self determination always holds precedence to sovereignty integrity.
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
TTTranvestite is not aware of anything apart from it's own point of view.................Standby with you theasaurus people, shite will spew forth shortly
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#66
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At Last! You have got the message - as you say, “the Falklands are safe and are not a part of Argentina”. Could'nt agree more.
Shame about your fascist views on human rights.
@68
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, wrong. Argentina can do whatever it wants in its territory, and nothing you can do about it. Pre-1945 set borders are excempt. Which Argentina was.
Too bad.
@68
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep - it says here. The RG's can't have it both ways. If they are a member of a decolonisation process, they must believe that the Falklands are a subject to a colonial power and so, by their own words, must affirm the islanders' right to self determination. They should wholeheartedly support a referendum (but, strangely, they don't)
“Regarding the omnibus resolution, the representative of Argentina restated his support for the decolonization process and to bringing an end to colonialism in any form. The principle of self-determination was a fundamental human right which applied in all cases where people were subjugated to a colonial power . He hoped those issues would be addressed in regions where sovereignty disputes did exist and wished to recall that Argentina did not share or agree with the proposed amendment. He appealed to the delegations to more closely follow up on the work of the Special Committee in order to avoid discussions such as that which had taken place over the current resolution.”
@66 You say above “The Falklands are safe and not a part of Argentina.” Do you really mean that?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And, of course, sovereignty does not pertain to Argentina as no body of law has ever confirmed this. Just because Argentina claims it means nothing! ¡Nada!
No, Argentina cannot do “anything it likes within its borders” - it is bound by international law.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Odd how you seem to adopt the old style “sovereignty” arguments when it suits you, but not when it comes to, for example, accepting that back in the 1830's there was an accepted right of conquest.....
@70 and 73
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not all argies believe in the Falkland's claim. I do not believe in it mainly because we lost a war over it, and because the people there are ethnic Britons.
@74
Yes we can. You mad?
“Self-determination” is not retroactive. It was designed for post WWII territorial situations. Pre-1945 territorial integrity has more preponderance. Otherwise, the self-determination of the Welsh, Cornish, etc, not today, but 500 years ago would take precedence, and you would find yourselves having to give up most of the UK and even England itself to now suppressed or irrelevant homestead yearnings. As would most of Europe.
It was Europe that opposed retroactivity, with good reason.
Argentina can do whatever it takes to keep its territorial integrity pre-1945 (essentially the same as today), and the UK can't do a iota about it.
ah ttt unfortunatly the Falklands are not within you borders, do one and admit your just a fascist, not a very good one may I add. I'm going to move you across to my oxygen thief table with Marcus and Malvo, well done you've been promoted
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 Speaking on behalf of a whole nation again? Self-aggrandising much.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0crikey Elaine your starting to sound like TTT LOL. Ignore it sweetie it's what is says it is a TIT, sorry Troll
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am unaware of that piece of UN legislation. However I am happy to read it if you care to send me the link?
Plese do me the courtesy (as I have to you) or providing people with ecidence to back up your argument.
I suspect as the resolution I previously sent you states that the UN has never qualified the principle of self determinaion. As the charter says
“.To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace” - No nothing about pre 1945 in there.
@78
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No anecdotes about other self-aggrandizing “argies” in your perambulations across Enemyland? Not in the mood for mixing fact and confabulation today I guess, Mrs. Raconteur.
#75
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, its just that, like most Europeans, I believe in the rule of law, something which unfortunately never caught on in Argentina, as your leader's actions and your comments make all too clear.
@81
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHA.
And I'm Messi just hanging out here.
#81
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My, my, we really are in fine infantile form today!
Your statement that “Self-determination” is not retroactive.” is complete rubbish: virtually all colonies were acquired by colonial powers back in the nineteenth century or even earlier. So, for example, India had no right of self determination? Or Senegal?
@75
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By your argument Argentina has no right to self-detrmination as its borders where set before 1945. Neither did the Spanish colonies who colonised South America. I guess then the Argentine government will be standing down as it is the head of an implnated population and as such has no juristiction. I expect to hear all the South American countries tommorow announce they will be pulling out and handing the entierity of the country back to the native tribes. I also guess this will happen everywhere in the world and why not keep going back and back until Pangeia when there was no such thing as a state or country.
The borders were set in 1945 and the idea of self determination brought in so that all people had a right to govern their futures regardless of previous ownership. if not then the UKs colonial terrotories (were set before 1945) and as such had no right to self dtermination.
@83
Jun 26th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm... They had the right to never fall under European domination in the first place, whether its the Indians, the Libyans, the Congolese, the South Africans, the Arabs, the Vietnamese, the Indonesians, the Tanzanians, the Angolans, the Eritreans, the Philipinos (just giving all such examples to be magnanimous in order to include everyone: you British, the French, the Italians, the Dutch, the Portuguese, the Germans, the Spanish, the Belgians)
The reason all those European nations relinquished their holdings was simply because “you were having problems with the restless natives”.
Since they were legally colonies, they do not fall under the territorial integrity excemption.
Argentina's modern territory was sovereign and fully integrated to the nation before 1945, and not legally a colony, thus self-determination for people within Argentina is null and void.
This is just an exercise however, no province in Argentina or tribe has sought self-determination since 1853. Everyone is very happily willing participants.
It is sad that the Argentines do not want to form a good relationship with their neighbours in the South Atlantic. The Falkland Islanders are not going to disappear, so the Argentine Government should take advantage of the huge trade potential. In Gibraltar, hundreds of Spanish Expatriates visit and work in the British Territory boosting the economy of La Linea and San Roque (which has been in stagnation for many years).
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A regular ferry to Ushuaia from Port Stanley would make absolute economic sense for Argentina. If only they could see beyond political rhetoric. French Guiana (another European outpost in South America) has a ferry service with neighbour Suriname and a direct road bridge with Brazil opening in 2013. There are high hopes that this will create an explosion in cross-Border trade between Brazil and France. If Argentina could think the same way, cross border trade between the UK and Argentina, could rise exponentially.
@85 according to the UN the Falklands are a “non self governining territory” which is the modern name for a colony therefore the de not fall under the territorial integrity excpetion and the right of self dtermination holds prescedence.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the European powers did was wrong! However the current governments and people can not be held responsible for the actions of people before they were born.
Please explain how Argentina holds soverign integrity to the Falklands? You do not share a border, and in 1830 the Islands were over 1,000 miles away from the nearest land under the control of the Provinces of the Rio Plata. (The provinces of the Rio Plata did not control any land South of the provinve of BsAs at this) Therefore the islands are well outside the 300 mile zone allowed to be claimed by nations. Thereby I would argue soverign integrity does not apply.
@84
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple answer: The entity (the UN) created to enforce any rule cannot enforce the rule when it negates the existence of the entity which was a force in creating it (countries like Argentina, founding member).
A geopolitical version of the Grandfather paradox.
The UN by accepting Argentina's signature in 45 de facto and through cannon accepts the entity of Argentina it the form it was in 45. Which is the same as today.
TTT, you are all over the place. It is good to see your twisted logic is keeping you on your toes.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands can rely on self-determination because the status of the islands in 45 was at best disputed (or de facto not part of the integrity of Argentina).
Therefore the UN can rule against Argentina because it is not denying the existence of the entity which in 1945 signed its creation.
So in the Falkland's case, the British argument is sound.
@80 whats a small vechicle for moving a child about and a small furry animal got th do with it
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 you never had problems with the natives you just wiped them out much as your planning to do with the Falklands, believe me it ain't going to happen. The borders were set in 1945, oh that's right just after you declared war in Germany so you could get your share, do your self a favour and be quiet, you constantly shoot yourself in the foot and embarress your self and you country. News flash UN has critised Syria for shooting down a Turkish jet, thats all they'd do if we were to shoot down one of yours, (not that they ever take off) so stump up or SHUT UP
@84
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, but Argentina did not have soverign integrity of the Falklands in 1945 therefore the idea of soverign integrity does not apply to Argentina in the Falklands. It was accpeted as it is today.
@20 Raul
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say Argentina is committed to peaceful dialogue. I live in the Falkland Islands and if anyone should be noticing goodwill and harmony wafting across the South Atlantic it should be me. We hear nothing but hostility from your side of the fence. Only a few days ago your president couldn't get out of the door fast enough when our delegates invited her to talks. Would you like to rethink the 'peaceful dialogue' statement?
@51 DanyBerger
Please tell us more about Carlos Menem being friendly to the Falkland Islands and us not appreciating it. I recall gifts: a Pingu video and a copy of 'The Little Prince (a story about a boy who lived on a planet all by himself and had no friends - subtlety not being Carlos' strong point). What else was there? .... because the way you raise this as an issue makes it sound as if there was a lot more to it, when all it amounted to was a cheap and cheeky publicity stunt.
Marcos Alexander
Say what you will Mr B but don't pretend you are an Argentine.
@91
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Syria was a product of the UN and not a force in creating this. Furthermore her borders were set after 1945. For both of those reasons, self-determination within Syria can be invoked by the UN, since the people forming a part of Syria have that right protected because the UN was in force before Syria was created.
@90
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore point 92 it seems we have come to an agreement that the right of self determination applies to the Falkland Islands. Thank you for your input to this discussion.
@94 so Syria can have self determination but the people of the Falklands CAN'T because the UN created it. Ok simple then if the UN says Falkand islands have a right to self determination,after next years vote will RGenweener take that and leave them alone, FUCKIN DOUBT IT PAL, as before be quiet you are digging your self a BIG HOLE. Don't you think that the UN would support the people of the Falklands if they choose to stay BRITISH, or do you think they'll say no that's not valid. Wake up your dreaming
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you people daft?? Do I have to tell each of you individually what i said at the beginning of #75 and @90????
@96
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT has stated that self determination does apply. See his comment in @90
The UN cannot enforce self-determination within Argetnina's continental territory (and non-continental also, but not the Falklands, but rather Tierra del Fuego).
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That certainly does not apply to the Falkland Islands.
WEehay TTT says the Falklands are not Rgenweeners, thats ok then i can sleep now
Jun 26th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So would it be fair to say,
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That all of you Argies on here,
Would be and are willing to give your lives, to fight and die, for this wind swept islands 300 miles of the coast of South America,
All in the great cause of CFK and argentines false claims,
Please say eye do, ..
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It must now be crystal clear to even the most diehard malvenistas, that there is no prospect of any talks, never mind the British negotiating with Argentina.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact we are further away from any talks, than at any time since the end of the war.
Yet CFK tells her people that they are getting somewhere.
Thanks to her and TinPotMan the world is now hearing the Islanders voice.
If this is her idea of success, I would hate to see failure.
TTT I have just moved you back from oxygen thief to mere ranting (CFK), that's a marked improvement, unfortunatly Marcos and Malvi remain lower than a snakes belly
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0did someone say earlier argentina help write the UN charter? i find the idea slightly unlikely.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cornishair it was just TTT rambling mate
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently they wrote these very charters, and the 40 resolutions they keep harping on about.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But hey, soon they will be asked to put their mouth , where there money once was.
………………….
We need answers Argies,
Don’t hide now,
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slattzzz. I read a book about the founding of the UN a couple years ago, seemed like we did alot of the work, along with the main wartime allies. can't remember anything about argentina's invovement?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't mine TTT :) funny chap.
The picture sees mr Cameron, slicing argentina into 3 bits .
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me neither bless him, well Rgenweener declared war on Germany a month before war ended so they had a say apparently?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 093
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it foundable chocolate at Islands' unique shopping depot. ?
108
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the Comment (No:56) written by you ?
93
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there are no any person(s) from Argentina here in Mercopress forums
believe me !
you speak to murals vainly.
I'm just interested to hear from one of the Argentinos who posts here regularly exactly how and when Argentina will get the Falklands back? Just throw a few bullet points down articulating how it's going to happen and what timeframe within which you think it will happen, e.g., within 5 years, 10 years, etc. Thanks.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the English Prime Minister spokesman of these islands ?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is these islands' London appointed Governor ?
109 Slatzzz
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, no. They only declared war on Germany for peaceful reasons and they only went into Iraq with war ships for peaceful reasons also. And they didn't invade the Falklands in 82; that was the other Argentina. I wonder if they disappeared all those people into the ocean for peaceful reasons also???
Chuckle chuckle.
they only declared war on Germany because they thought Britain would lose, when it became apparent that was not the case they were quicker than the Italians to change sides bless them
Jun 26th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0114- no idea where he is just now, irrelevant anyway - he speaks for the British Govt as a rule- a member of our Assembly acts as spokesperson for the Islands - our own Govt speak for us here, its funny thing called democracy.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In UK anyone in the British Govt can speak for us on issues of defence and external Affairs- ie anything to do with Argentina! Our Govt Office representative there would be the normal one to speak on internal issues.
Good news from FOGL on their farm in partner today - Think must be reaching for his nail-extractor!
111 TipsyThink
Jun 26th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the Comment (No:56) written by you
56 Conqueror
Wrote it
Cannot you read without glasses .
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@114 Is the English Prime Minister spokesman of these islands ?
Jun 26th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is these islands' London appointed Governor ?
No he's not but you don't recognise the people of the FALKLAND ISLANDS or thier governer as Botox face stated at C24 because you are simple and completely miss the point. CK Botox refused to speak to the Governers representative at C24 or except a letter asking for talks, so you expect DC to cave in because that's what you want. DREAM ON. Your deluded at best stupid at worse if you think you have a valid arguement. If Botox head had played it right from the start being nice instead of her constant rhetoric and sabre rattling people MIGHT have listened.......now NO CHANCE
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/234865-obamas-falklands-folly
Jun 26th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 TTT
Jun 26th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”HonoUr, is a borrowed word in the English language (and admittedly, Spanish, French, Italian, Dutch, and German also).“
Bollocks.
But it did take Argentina to teach us that ”disappear” is a transitive verb.
You know the thing that I find most embarrasing is you dont even or can't be arsed to look at your own history and complety make twats of yourself, ( a bit like CFK really), Think, thinks it's clever, TTT talks mince constantly, Malvi and Marcos oxyen thiefs, I bet your a bundle of laughs when your out
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well they dont really have a decent history to talk about,
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that why they are so envy of ours .
#97
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just so that its absolutely clear, you accept that:
“the Falklands are safe and are not a part of Argentina” (#66)
and
”The Falkland Islands can rely on self-determination because the status of the islands in 45 was at best disputed (or de facto not part of the integrity of Argentina). Therefore the UN can rule against Argentina because it is not denying the existence of the entity which in 1945 signed its creation.
So in the Falkland's case, the British argument is sound.” (#90)
So, you accept that the Falklasds are not part of Argentina and that the Islanders have the right of self determination. In other words, you totally accept the UK position. Thank you.
asking the british if they want to remain british. lol. how stupid is that.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#125
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sad. Another fascist argentinian who denies the islanders the inalienable right of self determination.
Say the Truth, Cameron just looking to have your street in Stanley .. Gives laughs read the opinions in English forums, many argue that if so much emphasis put, this Bipolar Prime Minister, in the defense of the islands because it grabs his clothes and moved to this godforsaken place, good for him to do Englishmen. Everyone in England knows that only intends to stay in power, and many already clear that his tirade “NationalSocialist” will not be enough to be reelected ..
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#127
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate, but thats complete gobbedygook
114 MistyThink
Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to see him in a fight with Hector Timmerman! Cameron has no right to speak about las Malvinas, las Malvinas belong to Argentina, only our Argentina President can speak about these islands, only she is powerful enough to say anything about these islands because they are ours!
This is why you never should make too much fun about others
Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.christianpost.com/news/jon-hamm-robbed-with-girlfriend-in-london-77269/
Why doesn't MERCOPRESS report on this story like the so widely reported the Jennifer Lopez one?
The foreigners on this section were all in a frenzy making fun of Argentina in that story. How about it now!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Quoting Simian TtT in post 90:
Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The Falkland Islands can rely on self-determination because the status of the islands in 45 was at best disputed (or de facto not part of the integrity of Argentina).
So in the Falkland's case, the British argument is sound”
Well done for having
Let me make clear to islanders be reborn Argentine like hero James Peck, not like his father who fought for British, James is macho he leave island after beating women and was reborn Argentina, with Argentine birth certificate. Or you can be made cleaned from Argentina. It is your choice!
Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 093 Honoria
Jun 27th, 2012 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Honoria: These confused, our president was warmly applauded by the committee of the UN decolonization for the accuracy and soundness of their reasoning and arguments. You would do well to contextualices and read in full the speech of our president. Delegates islanders are British, do not have enough political stature, as they are represented in Britain by David Cameron bone unfortunately, did not attend the committee of the UN decolonization. Our president did very well in not receiving the British islanders as they are represented by Great Britain. The Islanders are not a country, are a colony established since 1833. The UN resolution 2065 is very clear about saying that the conflict is of sovereignty. No self-determination.
Would you like to reconsider the statement of “peaceful dialogue”?
I still maintain that Argentina wants a peaceful dialogue. Proof of this is that the G-20, David Cameron was not sincere, he wanted to cheat, as Cristina Fernandez approached with a question and Cristina replied that comply with UN resolutions peaceful, handing a letter to David Cameron with UN resolutions, which says that the conflict of sovereignty, self-determination. Unfortunately David Cameron's rejection, ignoring fled and in breach with international law to abide by and comply with UN resolutions.
So UK is still committed to aggression, terrorism, violence and intimidation. One example is what happens in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq, with its humanitarian bombing civilians.
Argentina suffered four British invasion 1806.1807, 1833 and 1845 in the forced-round.
Thank you very much.
Face1354@hotmail.com
@107
Jun 27th, 2012 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where did I say anything about writing or composing any charter of the UN? Why are all of you such cheap liars? Please all of you who alledge this, find a quote of mine where I explicitly said that. If not, you owe me an apology.
What I did say is Argentina signed the 1945 charter, and as such was a founding member. As a result, the UN cannot enforce “self-determination” within Argentina (yes, the Falkland Islands don't count, OK??? they are covered under self-determination), because you cannot retroactively demand self-determination (a) otherwise you can say good-bye to the UK and all other nations in modern form, and the UN cannot enforce it when it means compromising the existence of a member that signed its creation in 1945 when the borders are the same, and the UN accepting the signature of such member means accepting its legitimacy.
To deny the legitimacy of any founding member is denying the legitimacy of the UN, thus Argentina's territory as it was in 1945 and the people within it are not covered by unconditional self-determination. Territorial integrity has just as much preponderance.
#134
Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given that you accept that the Falklands are not part of Argentina and that the islanders have the inalienable right of self determination, I have absolutely no argument with Argentina's right to exist as a state within its 1945 borders.
Where we seem to part company is that you don't accept that the Argentinian government is bound to comply with international law.
@135
Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0International law does not apply within Argentina if it means the loss of territorial integrity based on such borders.
The Argentinian government can exterminate any peoples trying to separate from such 1945 borders, they are not unconditionally covered by self-determination.
Of course as I said the point is moot as no one in Argentina is trying to do this or has tried to do this, and the chances of that are negligible.
“The Argentinian government can exterminate any peoples trying to separate from such 1945 borders”
Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legally, no, as this would be a crime under international law. In practical terms, yes, but as this is a crime under international law the guilty parties could end up before the international criminal court.
@133 “Argentina suffered four British invasion 1806.1807, 1833 and 1845 in the forced-round.”
Jun 27th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very wrong. You do flatter yourselves suggesting that Britain invaded you. Britain was at war with Spain at that time, and launched half-hearted raids at various Spanish colonies. Had the British not been concerned with much more important matters, and bothered to properly invade you (which with hindsight might not have been such a bad idea) you would all be speaking english now and living in a prosperous civilised democracy, like other english-speaking former British colonies of Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States.
As you should be aware, Argentina didn't even exist until the late 1860s when Spain finally relinquished control of the Buenos Aires colony. Britain and France blockaded your rebel province to help put an end to that slave state's inhuman activities, as slavery didn't end in what was later to become 'Argentina' until 1853. Of course you're not told this in the Peronist indoctrination centres that pass for schools in Argentina.
In 1833 the real bunch of actual squatter pirates, Luis Vernet and his little gang of crooks and thugs were evicted, thus ending your only claim to 'occupation. Get over it.
Please join this new fb page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the loonacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and their internet trolls - https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592
Jun 27th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As you should be aware, Argentina didn't even exist until the late 1860s when Spain finally relinquished control of the Buenos Aires colony. Britain and France blockaded your rebel province to help put an end to that slave state's inhuman activities, as slavery didn't end in what was later to become 'Argentina' until 1853. Of course you're not told this in the Peronist indoctrination centres that pass for schools in Argentina.”
Jun 27th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are aware you are the most unintelligent, uninformed, laughable, silly, sad, stupid, and loutish “contributor” here. What you wrote is risible and worthy of sempiternal pillory.
France and Britain blockaded Buenos Aires (a complete Disney World fairytale on your part), in the 1860s (KEEP THIS DATE IN MIND) to end slavery in Argentina (which ended de facto in 1813), yet you yourself in the next sentence state it ended in 1853. Within 10 seconds you completely lost track of your own mendacities... That's why it ain't good to lie, my friend (your lies are not even worthy of such, they are fibs).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Wombs
So the facto, no new slaves were born within Argentina after 1813. This is why you see more africans in the Uruguayan population: many argentines moved their slaves to Uruguay were they could still give birth to slaves.
The official abolition was in 1853, but it was just a procedure as in practical terms by the 1840s not many slaves were left (the slave trade was reduced significantly by then, and since no new slaves were born in country, and slaves tended to die young, there was no replacement).
Well you pillory yourself. hahahaha.
Your invented Anglo-French blockade has been proven a conceit of yours. You flatter yourself suggesting Britain had anything to do with Argentina's independence or other matters. You did NOTHING. No history book of any repute shows you moved a finger (not that you had to).
OTOH, Britain was humilliated by the inhabitants of Buenos Aires, 99% of whom were not Spanish.
@TTT your dates and facts are wrong. Do some research. Ironic the truth hurts ttt doesn't it :))
Jun 27th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only humiliation I can remember at the hands of Argentina was the RG bastards abusing and humiliating the Falkland Islanders and handful of Royal Marines stationed there in 1982. But we put that right.
@141
Jun 27th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact you 'claimed' Argentina as a country began in “the 1860s”, gives me no further reason to treat anything you state as worthy of analysis.
All I remember is the UK troops humilliating and abusing innocent Iraqi and Afghan families in the middle of the night. What a proud organization.
(I wasn't born in 1982).
In 1833 the real bunch of actual squatter pirates, Luis Vernet and his little gang of crooks and thugs were evicted, thus ending your only claim to 'occupation. Get over it.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alexei,
Vernet and his family were not in the Falklands in 1833. They had left in November 1831. And the only people evicted in 1833 were the military garrison. Vernet's settlement had British permission to stay, and most did stay.
@133 Raul
Jun 27th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonisation committee, apart from being comprised mostly of Argentina fan club members and/or repressive governments, is exactly that a decolonisation committee, with no jurisdiction over sovereignty disputes whatsoever.
As Ban Ki Moon (I take it you know who he is in the UN) said earlier this year:
“The C24 need to make tangible progress towards the right of self-determination for the peoples of the territories, through discussions between the committee, the elected representatives of the territories and the administering powers”.
Pretty much wrights Argentina out of the equation
The administering powers no longer sit on the committee as they no longer have any colonies.
At some point soon the elected representatives of the territories will probably withdraw from the committee. End of.
Also S. Georgia/S. Sandwich islands are not listed for decolonisation by the UN, nor are they in the remit of the decolonisation committee. Exactly what is the basis of the Argentinian claim to those islands?
Begs the question as to why she went there in the first place, then to deliver a speech (which I watched) full of deliberate misrepresentations and pure fabrications.
British operations in the river plate in 1806 and 1807 against the Spanish (Argentina did not exist then), were exactly that operations, landing in 1806 with 1500 men, must have been the smallest invasion in history. I know the British were good, but not that good.
Describing these “operations” as “invasions”, is like calling a war canoe a battleship and hoping no one will notice because they both float.
In 1833 the British recovered their colony from an invasion by Argentina. A colony first established by the British in 1765, once again, before Argentina ever existed.
1845 was a blockade, no troops even landed, even smaller “invasion” than in 1806.
Just like your president,” full of deliberate misrepresentations and pure fabrications”.
The British are not going to talk to you, mostly
[142]
Jun 27th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I remember is the UK troop’s humiliating and abusing innocent Iraqi and Afghan families in the middle of the night
ALL eye remember is Argentinean troops, humiliating and abusing innocent islanders and unarmed British soldiers, in the middle of the night .
And you point is what .
Continued from @144:
Jun 27th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British are not going to talk to you, mostly because you talk such Bollox.
you argies are so desperate,
Jun 27th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you know your times running out,
CFK will be removed and her cohorts will end up in the nut house,
and then perhaps the real argentinians with a real goverment, will take over, and run it properly .
No reason to go ballistic over the Argentine claim adn start war mongering.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The worst that could happen to any Argentine government since Perón, now, and in the future, would be if the Falklanders decided to leave and move to a country where they want stable, energetic immigrants, and leave the islands to Argentina.
How, then will the Argentine government raise nationalistic fervor during a crisis?
- 'cause that's what it has all about since 1941: a severe crisis always results in the cry “Malvinas son Argentinas” to make the Argetinos forget their woes.
UK PM MORON... SAMETHING, SAME CRAYING guaaaaaguaaaaguaaa
Jun 27th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU HAVE THE ISLANDS IN YOUR ASS...BUT THERE IS NO MONEY NO CLASS. THESE ARE THE FACTS...MOVE ON...THIRTY YEARS AFTER THE INVASION ..YOUR.FISHERY STINKS..THERE IS COMPETITON FROM ARGENTINA...YOU CANNOT WIN...THE ISLANDERS ARE RETARDS...SO TOURISM IS POOR...A 5 STAR HOTEL...NO ONE CAN FINANCE...OTHER TYPE OF BUSSINESS FOR THE ISLANDERS...NO WAY ONLY 3,000 RETARDS CAN NOT DO...
WHAT TO DO...WHAT TO DO...
SEND PRINCE WILLIAM BACK? NO WAY. HE IS BIPOLAR AND A DRUNK.
KATIE DEMANDS FROM HIM TO SOBER UP. ON JUNE 2, 2012 WILLIAM GOT DRUNK IN A PRIVATE LONDON PUB...THE GLOBE MAGAZINE PAID HIGH BUCKS FOR THE SNAP.
UK PM MALE MENOPAUSE SINCE 2 YEARS AGO..YOU REJECT YOUR WIFE AND YOUR OWN CHILD...TOO MANY RESPONSABILITIES AND THEY LOOK DUMB...YOU LOOK WEAK AND CANNOT FUCK...VIAGRA WON'T WORK. YOUR HIGH BLOOD PRESURE WILL BLOW YOUR HEART.
MILITARY ACTION? NO WAY...THE RUSSIAN SUBS CAN MAKE US DUST...
IMPOSSED SANCTION TO ARGENTINA?...YOU TRIED BUT ARGENTINA WINS ALL HEARTS...ARGENTINA ALWAYS SURVIVES.
conQUERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR conQUERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
STOP MAKING THREATS TO MY COUNTRY, ARGENTINE LEADER AND ARGENTINES....I AM ONLY 45 MINUTES FROM SKY HARBOR,TEMPE, ARIZONA, USA. YOUR CORNWALL, ENGLAND FRIENDS ARE EASY TO FIND COOKING CORNISH PASTRIES FOR A LIVING....HAHAHA ....conQUERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
BE YENSARE DON'T SKARE ISOLDE SHE IS IN YOUR SIDE...
@ 144 Pugol-H
Jun 27th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Also S. Georgia/S. Sandwich islands are not listed for decolonisation by the UN, nor are they in the remit of the decolonisation committee. Exactly what is the basis of the Argentinian claim to those islands?”
If we read at the half a millennium old papal bull, they belong to Portugal - same as Japan and half of Australia :-D
they have no claim,
Jun 27th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0even there claim on argentina is very dodgy,
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why is merco-press letting hackers on here,
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@142 Truth Dodging Troll: “The fact you 'claimed' Argentina as a country began in “the 1860s”, gives me no further reason to treat anything you state as worthy of analysis”.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that you base Argentina's feeble claim to the Falkland Islands (and other territories) on 'legitimate' inheritance from Spain. Although rebel colonists declared independence from Spain in 1816, Spain did not recognise nor accept Argentina as a 'legitimate' independent state until 1863. Spain still claimed the land you call “Argentina” as Spanish territory until 1863. In that year Spain also recognised UK sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, and not Argentinean sovereignty. Even today Spain does not recognise Argentinean sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. So that rather knocks your claim of 'inheritance' on the head. Your other, even more ridiculous claim of ownership through relative proximity is just laughable. Face it. The Falkland Islands never belonged to you, and never will.
@143 dab14763 I stand corrected, I was a couple of years out. I know some of them stayed and their descendants have made the Islands their home. Those people, like their ancestors, have no desire to be ruled from Buenos Aires.
ARGENTINIANS ARE THE STRONGEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0VIVA ARGENTINA.
153 ... Yep so strong they lost the Falklands...grrrr beeeef cake
Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@133 Raul
Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If your president had been confident that her speech would have been warmly applauded by the decolonisation committee, she would not have thought it necessary to take 90 sycophants along for the ride to ensure that at least somebody clapped.
If you and your countrymen were half as smart as you clearly think you are we would not still be hearing the same old fake history,ignorance of facts, self congratulating drivel, political naievety, spiteful aggression and supercilious attitude that we have been putting up with for 30 years and more. Ask yourself how much you could have achieved in that time, how much progress you could have made yet here you are with the same old nonsense. You see, we have made progress, we have advanced considerably and the only reason that we are not enjoying a civilised relationship with you is that you prefer to wallow in the mud, kidding yourself that you have the upper hand and the whole world is on your side. Well get this - we've heard it all before many times over, you are getting nowhere, most of the world does not care about you and if you want to wallow for another 30 years then go right ahead. It makes no difference to us. I see a bright future ahead for us, with or without you. Let us know when you decide to become a civilised country that we would be pleased to call our friends.
@154
Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 the UK got help from sinal Ronald Reagan...
The US lost the 15 years Vietnam war...and the 12 years invasion of Iraq.. there is not “mission accomplished”...
Obama said: Is time to turn to the next page..the US Debt Clock....is ticking, can you hear it? tic tic tic tic...
Here in the US we are all suffering the same economic situation than the argentines are going thru, strikes, low wages, food banks with only peanut butter and sodas, the US veterans found on streets without any help such as food, clothing or shelters where to bath and sleep. We are all anxiously waiting for the US Congress to approve the 2013 budget which will cause more reduction of funds for education, transportation, defense, social services, etc. The US is flat broke. All states are suffering low revenues and reducing services. I have not seen the same situation before. The Great Recession of 2008 continues...People are begging for food and monies to buy some food. Food prices are astronomically high.
The US citizens are getting sicker and hopeless..I repeat, my 2 countries economy will take years to resolve!
@155
Bright future for who?...3,000 idiots not too much they can do except to continuing craying for help..hahhaha
2 ElaineB (#) I love your humour like Isolde's; why don't you contact me next time in BA and we can get together for some good laughs.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps the american states would like to come home again.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#153
Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strongest? In what exactly? Mendacity, lawbreaking, aggression, political repression and murder?
To most people, that equals hell hole.
@156
Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Miss Sussie you say “crying for help”, can you please clarify? why would the islander's “cry for help” when they have the best qualities of life in every category in South America and come 3rd in all of the America's with the US in 2nd and Canada in 1st? The Falkland'/UK have a life expectancy of around 80+ while Argentina's is 75. The Falklands have A GDP (PPP) per capita of $55,000 while Argentina has one of barely $17,400, and Im afraid that the other factors point to the same conclusion that not only does Britain have superior Economic/social qualities to Argentina but so do the Falkland's. So much for crying for help hey?
Oh to be British, the charm and charisma just rolls of the sleeve.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A golden future awaits the islanders,
Would you give all this up , just to be ??
And neither would we .
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@ 153
Jun 28th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat, like I told Chicureo long time, “perfect goverments” don't exist. Don't you remember Bill Clinton given a presidential pardon to biggest crook from AZ, ex Gov. Fife Symington from defrauding banks? Other examples of corruption made by senators and governors were not permitted to post by Mercosur. The US is having the same poor economic times than my Argentina. I say, is worst here having 330
millons US citizens, 24 millons unemployed, 46 millons collecting food stamps and 26 millons living under POVERTY LEVEL.
@160
Why UK PM accused Argentina of harrasment? Chile is just around the corner waiting for bussiness. UK PM has the option to stop all diplomatic ties with Argentina if he feels the “harrasment” Won't you do the same?
@162
Jun 28th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you on about??????? Argentina is harassing the islands right now, blocking imports/cruise ships, accusations, threats etc, etc, etc. What is your problem with the UK other than your indoctrinated twisted and pathetic false ideology.
162 Sussie US
Jun 28th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0They keep blocking my comments to you, especially the ones concerning your problems with female odor. The Falklands are British, you lost the war, get over it and please go wash your pie, you are baking loaves and it is affecting your brain!
I wonder whether PM Mr. David Cameron is a damn fool or just had a head blow that impared his reasoning. From his recent declarations it appears that the islanders had no right to 'self determination' Former Argentine Foreign Ministre, Dr. Rodolfo Terragno wrote a note to Argentine tabloid 'Clarin' that brought a new light on this issue. I'd suggest that both argies and brits read it and decide if Cameron's move was on purpose or only a slip. Cheers!
Jun 28th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a valid link to Clarin's publication:
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Bienvenido-plebiscito_0_720528018.html
165 Argie (#)
Jun 28th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you'll find that the Falkland Islanders comply very well with the definition of a people as opposed to a population.
Their particular culture is nowhere similar to the metropolitan British culture.
Their language is totally distinct from the metropolitan British English.
Their every day life contains more similarities with the Chilean culture than the British.
Basically they have grown away from the original British “way of life” in the same way that Australians, Newzealanders, and Canadians have done.
An interesting way of prooving this is to read James Marsh's column in the Penguin Newspaper, which highlights the differences between the Islanders' and the Briton's way of life.
http://news.uk.msn.com/britain-restates-falklands-resolve-1
Jun 28th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@163
Jun 28th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK PM have the choice to break diplomatic relations with my Argentina if he cannot tolerate the “harrasment”. Remember, all the UK threats and insults made to the argentine leader, Argentina and argentine citizens cannot be taken back. Abusive language is an intentional made damage to injure the well being of any person.
All UK citizens living in my Argentina should be sent back to the UK.
Fuera de mi pais ingleses odiosos!
@164
Real men, real heroes don't offend women. You are a coward!
You are nothing more than an old man hardly coping with your male menopause. I repeat, viagra won't give you a chance.
I am the same age you are but I keep looking young, healthy and fun.
At my age, people tells me I look cute...
#166 “Their every day life contains more similarities with the Chilean culture than the British”
Jun 28th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or even Argentine???
this item has been ruined and turned into childish tittle tatter,
Jun 28th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0merco-press must inforce there age limit on here .
166 Simon68
Jun 28th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, no one is 100% right on this issue.
On the one hand, no islander can sustain for long a culture inherited from their metropolitan country of origin, especially if it was left a thousand of miles away, a couple of centuries ago. Islander's English is not very different from others, save a few words we also use in Argentina, say 'camp' for countryside or farm, corral for enclosure, and a few more. Bear also in mind that in England (Britain, if you wish) there are as many 'Englishes' as there are English (British) people, metropolitan or not, and quite a number of local dialects (Yorkshire, Essex, &c) and slangs (rhyming, riverside cockney, &c), and not even the royals speak now King's English but rather the 'U' (against Nancy Mitford's 'non U') upper class jargon where vowels come barely heard or not at all, while from there down you hear all kinds depending on whether the speaker is a 'high', a middle-class owner of a German shepherd, a 'pardonian', a worker that keeps garden gnomes, or something in-between. So there's no surprise that these islanders have an English of their own which, to my hear, sounded as very good English.
These Islanders' way of life is such as it is possible in those barren islands, better though than that at Tristan D'Acunha or Ascension...
Any Chilean 'culture' was probably absorbed from that country's au-pairs and other workers whose raising and education are completely different, so its percentage is, for sure, negligible.
Taking all these issues into account, I believe that unless something more solid could be proved, Terragno's hypothesis stands. As it is, it appears that legality may overcast reasons and even brute force.
All best wishes!
@169 - BK
Jun 28th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Traitor to the socialist movement, careful what you say, some Chileans would take great offence to being compared to a bunch of lying, thieving bullies.
The Falkland Islanders have their own culture, it is not Argentinian, the proof of that was in 1982 when a bunch of thieving fascist thugs invaded their land. These alien invaders brutalised the islanders and threatened their lives, their freedom and their culture.
If you really were British (which you're not) you would never condone the enslavement of people by a bunch of fascist thugs, like CFK and her cronies. Our Grandfathers fought against a murderous fascist regime in WW2, Argentina welcomed those same murderous fascists with open arms.
Whar does that tell you about their moral compass?
Mercosur permits Conqueror to use the worst offensive words against the argentine leader, Argentina and argentinian citizens. Is unfair, but is a fact. No one in this world has the right to degrade a human being.
Jun 28th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01+7+0= A COWARD LIKE THE REST OF THE BLOODY RUBBISH OLD ENGLISH PEOPLE. This is a fact.
“No one in this world has the right to degrade a human being”.
Jun 28th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A COWARD LIKE THE REST OF THE BLOODY RUBBISH OLD ENGLISH PEOPLE.”
Ever tried to practice what you preach.
You're pretty f*cked up!
@174
Jun 28th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The saying about the”OLD BLOODY RUBBISH OLD ENGLISH PEOPLE' is WELL KNOWN before I was born in my hometown of CR,CHUBUT in Argentina. THIS IS A FACT.
Here in the US I hear it all the time. The US citizens hates the UK.
REAL MEN, REAL HEROES DON'T OFFEND WOMEN. THIS IS A FACT.
SO fuck yourself!
just because a child hears an adult swear, does not give the child the right to copy that adult,
Jun 28th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for it is not what others do,
but what you do that counts .
1-7-5=
Real men, real heroes don't offend women.This is fact.
Jun 28th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 01+7+6= coward all the time.
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Jun 28th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0difine coward
!77 Sucia US
Jun 28th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Real women aren't offensive,
by the way, I am only 48 years old!
Most Americans I know want all of you sent back south of the Rio Grande so people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, once again, Cupid Stunt!
she is but a lost child,
Jun 28th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@177 SussieUS
Jun 28th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to get offended by English people just living and breathing.
If we wern't around you would just have to hate someone else, and in the end yourself.
CR,CHUBUT - isn't that where the Turnips are freezing to death as oil and gas suppies have been cut off, by the non-existant strike
@175 - SussieUS
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, I travel extensively in the USA to many different states and I have never come across these hoards of people 'who hate the British/English'.
In fact when they learn I'm English they are usually even more friendly and welcoming, always wanting to buy me drinks and ask questions about the UK. I met one guy in Boston, who had served along side the British in Korea, and he regaled me with many stories. He showed me around Boston, took me to baseball games (explaining the rules) etc..., and we still keep in touch.
I made friends with a group of guys from the FDNY, and they showed me around New York.
When I was in the Army, I served along side US servicemen and women, and again, they never had any problems with the British whether they were English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish.
Regarding your statement of 'real men don't offend women' then you really are living in cloud cuckoo land. You are the person who offends people on this site, with your racist comments (I still remember the one you did about Obama, before I got this site to remove it). When people respond to your venom, with venom of their own, you seem to GET UPSET AND TYPE IN BIG LETTERS! Remember, there is equality between the sexes now (women's lib), so men have as much right to be rude to a woman as a woman has to be rude to a man.
Well SussieUS, there's some well known sayings that are apt in your case:
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you can't keep a civil tongue in your head then it's best not to talk (or type).
If you hate the USA so much, move back to Argentina. After all you said it yourself, you don't need all these modern conveniences such as supermarkets, electricity, gas to provide fuel to heat your houses, cars, televisions, computers and medicine.
Go back to that simpler life, SussieUS, work hard on the land to grow your own food. You'll feel so much better for it.
@Dr. Zhivago
Jun 29th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“by the way, I am only 48 years old!”
And how are you dealing with you Andropause/man-opause?
Take care have you got you test of PSA?
At that age hormones like free testosterone drops and insulin rise creating anger, hunger stress and sugar levels goes up. If you take care of your health right now you can avoid the first step of Diabetes which is insulin resistance.
How do you know if you are developing this, well a simple blood test will help or seeing if you have some symptoms like overweight, blur vision, frequent desire to go to the toilette (to piii), tiredness, etc.
Next I will tell how to revert this.
About your “you don't need all these modern conveniences such as supermarkets, electricity, gas to provide fuel to heat your houses, cars, televisions, computers and medicine.”
SYL
@ LEPRecon
Come on mate, I see more malls & computers in Argie land than in UK what are you talking about?
ARG malls have theatres, cinemas, etc. and the little ones are like the large tesco in UK.
Even my fruit and vegetable little store down my building has wireless access.
I’m not joking is true.
So sussie was born in Chubut.
Jun 29th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm, I think we know someone who lives in Chubut, dont't we?
I think it's I don't Think, aka 'The Turnip in Chief': I wonder if they are related?
Daughter perhaps?
@183 -Dany
Jun 29th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0SussieUS believes that Argentinians doesn't need all these modern conveniences, I mean apparently 100 years ago you didn't have them. Of course, SussieUS is a bit thick and didn't realise that 100 years ago no one had them.
Well congratulations, Argentina has big shopping Malls (so does the UK, but we don't find that unusual or anything to shout about), but since inflation is through the roof (30%), and there are blackouts in BA and other areas, people constantly on strike, what does it matter? There's no point having a big 'Mall' when the products they sell are stuck at Argentine customs until the stores export items to the same value as the imports, or that there's no heating or electricity for the stores, or that people can no longer afford to shop there.
Your government insists on burying its head in the sand instead if facing its problems, and as usual the people, especially the poor will suffer.
As for wireless access, again whoopee fecking do! Most shops and cafe's in the UK and across Europe, the Middle East, Far East and North America, have had wireless access for years. You might as well have said that the shop near you has suddenly got sliced bread, or that you can now buy windscreen wipers for your car! You really are making Argentina sound rustic and unsophisticated.
But again wireless access doesn't work without electricity and neither will your computers, so as the blackouts get worse, you Argie trolls will disappear off this site for hours or even days at a time.
Well suzzy has her replies,
Jun 29th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0will she respod in kind, like an adult ,
or will she come steaming onhere in a rage and tell us all off .
@183 - Dany
Jun 29th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This statement of yours is incorrect.
Come on mate, I see more malls & 'computers' in Argie land than in UK what are you talking about?
Well on a list complied of the top ten countries have the most computers, the UK comes 4th, and the only South American country on the list is Brazil at number 10.
http://www.aneki.com/countries2.php?t=Countries_with_the_Most_Computers&table=table_computers&places=2=*&order=desc&orderby=table_computers.value&decimals=--&dependency=independent&number=all&cntdn=asc&r=-175-176-177-178&c=&measures=Country--Number%20of%20computers&units=--&file=computers
If I look up which countries have the biggest malls in the world Argentina isn't on that list either, the only South American countries that make the list are Brazil and Columbia.
Never mind Dany, the UK isn't on the list of largest shopping malls in the world either, but then we don't make erroneous claims that we are.
So basically, doing 5 minutes search on the Internet, using the wifi in your local fruit and veg store, would've saved you from embarrassing yourself like this, wouldn't it, Dany?
183 Burgerenema
Jun 29th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the concerns about my health, no need to worry, I live in a country with excellent healthcare. The 48 years old comment was directed at someone else but still I thank you for your concern. I was in a shopping mall in Rosario in May, it was beautiful, the only problem was the power went off for three hours so I was unable to buy much, none of the cash registers worked. For a country that seems to despise the US so much you are certainly embracing everything that is American, Burger King, McDonalds, Apple Store. Hypocrites!!!! You and SuciaUS are carved from the same piece of soap, too bad you don't use it!
155 Honoria:
Jun 29th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so nervous? Did you run out of arguments and face the truth, you react with insults, insults and adjectival? Apparently you're not very educated, you react as hooligans or thugs face the truth. Do you want to cover the sun with a finger in half a day?
You see .... we have moved forward and the only reason that we are not enjoying a civil relationship with you is that you would rather wallow in the mud ....
What have advanced? The global economic crisis also came to the British island. Today, as you get to know and disseminate the Falklands conflict, world public opinion turns in favor of Argentina. English Colonialism is anachronistic A desperate reaction to this is the call for a plebiscite when in fact everyone knows that England is a colonialist and imperialist power and that the dispute is sovereignty. No self-determination.
... We've heard it all before many times, you are getting nowhere, most of the world does not care about you ...
Do not kid yourself, if you make a difference and is very large. As a result of UN resolutions the world worries about Argentina and is well aware of England's colonial aggression in the South Atlantic.
I see a bright future ahead of us, with or without you. Let us know if you decide to become a civilized country ...
Is it a civilized country Argentina threaten to claim peacefully with justice in international fora of the United Nations and world public opinion? UK is not a civilized country. It is a threat to world peace. Evidenced by the humanitarian bombing civilians in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan.
Also remember that both Wales and Scotland want separated from the United Kingdom. This is not a minor detail to consider. South America increasingly binds (OAS CELAC, MERCOSUR and UNASUR. United Kingdom is increasingly only for its colonialism and imperialism.
Remember Gandhi, Luther King and John Lennon “Give Peace a chance to.” “There are no roads to peace, peace is the way”
Thank you very much.
189 Raul
Jun 29th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you need to go and have a rest in a darkened room.
Oh, I forgot, with all the power strikes and outages ALL your rooms are darkened.
The three people you mention in the penultimate paragraph are all dead.
Or have Argentina resurrected them to back their claim to the mythical Malvinas? After all you have enough dead-heads to support you: OAS, CELAC, MERCOSUR and UNASUR, Sean Penn, the Prat Waters from Floyd, etc, etc!
I am surprised that the Brits still hold on to the Falklands. Ah! There is the rub! There is nothing you prats can do about it.
To quote one of your idiota bloggers: ARGENTINA IS FINIIIIISSSSHHHEEEDD!!!!!!!
I do apologise to all the Brits here for this unseemly outbreak. :o)
@189 - Raul
Jun 29th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are very funny, try re-reading what you have written. This bit in particular is a classic:
“Evidenced by the humanitarian bombing civilians in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan.”
1stly. How can bombing be considered humanitarian? (look up the meaning if the word and you'll realise just how silly it is).
2ndly. Where is your proof that Britian deliberately bombed civilians in any of the countries that you mentioned? Oh that's right you have no proof, you just made that up.
You say the UK is not a civilised country, well I'll admit we're not as civilised as Argentina and her allies Syria, China, Iran and Angola; we don't murder our own citizens (30,000 people missing Argentina), we don't steal from our own citizens (Aerolineus Argentina - US$2 billion missing), we don't deny freedom to our own citizens (they can buy as many dollars as they want and don't get robbed at customs by officials and dollar sniffing dogs), we respect the freedom of expression for our people (CFK has control of your media) and we don't lie to our citizens (30% inflation in Argentina and getting worse, very little money in the reserves, fuel reserves low, blackouts occurring etc...).
If that's Argentine 'civilization' you can keep it.
According to recent opinion polls, Wales don't want independence from the Union, and the Scottish are certainly having second thoughts, although they will still have their referendum in about 2 years time.
In regards to UN resolutions, they all mention that the rights of the islanders have to be taken into consideration, and they were all INVALIDATED by Argentina in 1982 when you illegally invaded the Falklands.
You are right about one thing, the world now knows about the Falkands, they know that the Islanders have a voice, and they will exercise that voice next year in a referendum, which will be done under UN auspices, and means that once the result is in, they can be removed from the C24 list as they will have met one of the criteria.
@LEPRecon
Jun 29th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not shouting about anything, you were who said to SussieUS “move back to Argentina. After all you said it yourself, you don't need all these modern conveniences such as supermarkets, electricity, gas to provide fuel to heat your houses, cars, televisions, computers and medicine.”
I never said that Argentina has the biggest malls in the world just big malls just compared with UK.
Biggest (brand new) UK’s mall and opened in 2011 “Westfield Stratford City” East London.
Being marketed by your press as the biggest shopping mall in Europe with claps and whistles (and I am shouting about?).
Size 175.000mt2 + 2000 parking units
Wow! This is quite normal in Argentina I guess.
Unicenter (Buenos Aires Martinez) opened in 1988
Size 239.000m2 + 6.500 parking units
Dot Baires (Buenos Aires Saavedra)
189.609 m2 + 2.240 parking units
Tortugas Open Mall 150000m2 + 2200 parking units
And the list is long so saying ARG has big malls is quite fair I guess.
About the computer stuff I didn’t count all them in UK I only said that I didn’t see much, may be well hidden?
But I will next time ha ha
26m anyway is not something to be shouting about for a pop of 62m.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... is going to take so long
RAUL says, Argentina is a civilised country,
Jun 29th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK says Argentina is a civilised country,
Her bloggers on here say Argentina is a civilised country.
So it must be true then.
But hey
When you make a pact with the devil,
Anything but, is civilised .
we bet that burnt ?
@178 @179 @180 @181 @182 @184 @186 @188
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0COWARD: A person who lacks courage facing the danger.
I keep asking the same question to Briton, Conqueror, Zhivago, and las suecas Ynsere, Skare and Isolde.. why you don't disclose your name, location and phone number. What are you afraid of? I disclosed my name, location and phone number. I don't have nothing to be afraid of. Who started the insults against the argentine leader, Argentina and argentinians? All the brits, las suecas, chilenos y uruguayos.
How about Conqueror threats to attack Argetnina. He said he has “connections” in Arizona to verify my legal residence status. I asked him, give me your name, location and phone number and I SUE YOU.
Conqueror never replied. LEGALLY, in the US nobody can question my US residence unless there is a legal charge pending.
Ynsere stated she does not believe I am in the US because she noted my “poor” english. The english I speak in the US is american english. Did someone ever made the comment about my english here in the US? Never. When I was in London and Australia, I could not understand their way of speaking using words such as “flat” for apartment., “I ring you”, instead of call me (by phone) . No way. I found the english and australians way of living very boring.
I have said many times that my 2 countries are facing the worst economic times and will take years to improve the economy.
Here in the US the unemployment benefit of 6/12 months have been extended to 4 years since the Great Recession of 2008, but the US congress announced that the economy has not improved, consequently, the unemployment benefit might be discontinued starting the new fiscal year. Such reduction of benefits will create more poverty.
I do not hate the US, I am very disappointed that politicians did not prevent such economic disaster. I thought US politicians were mature individuals but they are not, they act childish.
. Congratulations Suzy
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You failed miserably,
We can’t even give a [F] as no effort was required,
So lets try again,
This time without the bull shit,
[no]
Forget the bull, bit, as you have none,
So suzzy
Define [shit]
And no smelly replies .
p/s
have it ready by Monday 0900am promptly.
.
@195
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Release you name, location and phone number. NOW
@196
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Miss Sussie, what has any of this got to do with the article itself?
196 SussieUS
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes master
Mr , G Briton,
112 Tintagel Castle Cornwall
, Postcode: PL34 OHE
Tel, Whitehall 12-12.
@197
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not scare of disclosing you identity, aren't you?
So tell us who are you, location and phone number. NOW
@199
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conor Louden-Brown
Cooneen, Fermanagh, Northern Ireland, UK
028 8569 46701
Anything else?
NEXT
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror
Zhivago
Yensere
Skare
Isolde
@201
Jun 29th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a very odd individual Miss Sussie, your incoherent outbursts, and Short temper indicate a fragile mind, a possible Brain haemorrhage or childhood trauma, see a Doctor for an assessment, anyway Miss Sussie I doubt you will pay attention as I suspect you are using Google translator most of the time aren't you?
@202
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Accept the fact. No one in Argentina and in the US wants los ingleses odiosos.
Susie Usa fell in love.
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She planned to marry Joe.
She was so happy' bout it all,
she told her Pappy so.
Pappy told her, “Susie Usa,
you'll have to find another.
I'd just as soon yo' maw don't know,
but Joe is yo' half-brother.”
So Susie forgot about her Joe
and planned to marry Will.
But, after telling Pappy this,
he said, “There's trouble still.
You can't marry Will, my gal,
and please don't tell yo' mother,
cause Will and Joe and several mo'
I know is yo' half-brother.”
But Mama knew and said “Honey Child,
Do what makes yo' happy.
Marry Will or marry Joe,
you ain't no kin to Pappy!”
..
cheers .
@202
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No-one? I have many American Friends and acquaintances who like Britain, in fact I know a few who moved here as well, in fact Britain has hundreds of Thousands of Americans who live/work/visit the UK all the time, so your argument is rather rubbish. Oh and as always you lack the ability to actually counter my argument, and instead you place a random insult. I guess it proves that you are either stupid or brain damaged as I thought.
205 Conor
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your for it now,
she will come back, with raving insults.
@206
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im alright mate, after living in NI for many years theres not much that scares me more anymore, I mean whats more scary, a drunken Protestant or Catholic going on about crap and then starting a large fight in the pub or a raving lunatic Argie/American who knows nothing about what she is arguing about and lacks the ability to have a sustained debate without going off asking about were I live.
Oh by the way Mr Briton I noticed in another Article you mentioned being around when Cyprus declared independence form the Empire, I don't mean to be rude but how old are you, because I never thought that older people did bloging!
@203 -SussieUS
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, isn't it amazing that you feel you can speak for all Americans, that you know all 250 million of them well enough to know what they think and feel.
I have no doubt that some Americans don't like the British, just like some British don't like Americans.
However, as I've said before I have travelled extensively in the USA, and never found these hoards of Americans who hate the British. People were friendly and welcoming, and when they knew I was from the UK, they were really interested, asking lots of questions.
Now, I have to admit that I've only visited about 30 of the states in the USA, so maybe all the British haters live in Hawaii, Nebraska, Texas, Louisiana, Wyoming, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, California, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington, as I know I've definitely not been to any of these states. I've also not been to one of the Dakota's, but I'm not certain whether it was North or South.
So I think you have a very blinkered view of America. Most US citizens haven't been to all 50 states, most don't leave their own state, so I definitely believe that you are talking bollocks - or balls as you have such a hard time understanding English (which most Yanks I have met don't have a problem understanding), but maybe since you're not a natural English speaker it's more difficult for you to grasp the nuances of the language like a native speaker would.
no
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was not around as such,
I was quoting from source, abt countries guaranteeing ones, integrity after independence,
And how, independence does not guarantee safety,
Against some of these Argies , who brag about looking after them.
I say technically not around,
One was still in a pram,
Sorry for any confusion.
Briton .
.
@208
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 States? Well done, you've done better then me then! Colorado/Massachusetts are still brilliant though.
MY DOG SUSSIE.
Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The little boy goes to the house and says, “Dad, can I take Susie for a walk around the block? I asked Mom but she said the dog was in heat .
Her Dad said, ”Bring Susie over here“.
He took a rag, soaked it with gasoline, and scrubbed the dog's rear end with it and said, ”Ok, you can go now but keep Susie on the leash and only go one time around the block“.
The little boy leaves and returns a few minutes later with no Susie on the leash.
Her Dad asks, ”Where's Susie?“
The boy replies, ”Susie ran out of gas about halfway down the block -and there's another dog pushing her home!
Sussy, if you was British you would have a great sense of humour,
But you do not,
Being full of hatred gets you nowhere, im surprised the American allow you to stay, i
As you keep condemning them,
You surely cannot be the standard of things over there .
You are probably the rare exception, rather than the rule .
You need to laugh more, it gives ya brain some air ..
.
@211
Jun 29th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU are making a FOOL of yourself. The only ones that question my dual nationalities, US and Argentinian are the brits and las suecas.
No one in the US tell me the insults you like to make.
212 Sucia US
Jun 29th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never heard anyone in the states making fun of a spic, must be my imagination! Your command of the English language is terrible!
Why would I want your name and phone number? Why would you want mine, are you coming to visit?
You really are an idiot.
212 SussieUS (#) If I were you I would keep very silent about your dual nationality. The US is not the UK; the US doesn't recognise dual nationality and if they discover you have RG documentation (or even if you have voted here) your Green Card will go up in a puff of smoke!!!!!!!
Jun 30th, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0189 Raul
Jun 30th, 2012 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You talk such rubbish that you cannot be a village idiot, you must be from a large town or city.
201 SussieUS
What about me, Pugol-H, do I not warrant your wrath.
Also they are not Swedes ergo they are Turnips, such as are freezing to death in Chubut right about now.
@207 Conor
Cyprus became independent under the terms of a tripartite agreement between UK, Greece and Turkey.
No declaration of independence from the Empire.
BTW FTP
@Tim
Jun 30th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you are wrong because ARG citizenship as far I now cannot be terminated by acquiring other or vice versa.
Also cannot be renounced voluntarily because is anti-constitutional and also grants in case a foreigner voluntarily wants to become Argentine to keep the nationality from his original country.
Under ARG. law nationalities are not a privilege given by the states otherwise is a human right.
US also allows to have dual citizenship so I don’t see why are you saying that.
http://www.us-immigration.com/information/dual_citizenship.html
There are plenty of Americans/Argentineans with dual Citizenship as Europeans, etc.
You can see some in the link below talking about how to get Argentina citizenship to avoid to pay taxes to IRS. Ha ha
http://www.us-immigration.com/information/dual_citizenship.html
My be you should be applying for one it is very useful.
Argentinean governments are habitually corrupt and have squandered and stolen everything, bankrupted their country. Millions of Argentines live in squalid slum barrios, those with any wealth are desperate to convert it to foreign currency to protect themselves from their thieving government. The indigenous people from who the land was stolen live in the worst poverty of all. The rivers are polluted, poisoning those unfortunate to live anywhere near them. Argentina has a temperate climate, fertile soil, over a million square miles of land area, the eighth largest in the world, limitless natural resources, thousands of miles of coastline and direct access to millions of square miles of the Atlantic Ocean. So what's their solution to the corruption, mismanagement and squalor? We want more territory, give us the Falkland Islands. Yes, rob a few thousand more people of their land and their homes and all will be well...
Jun 30th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@211
Jun 30th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ps
CRIMINAL BRITON IS BROKE!
he is deliquent, short of cash
his cornish pastries are crap
SKY HARBOR AIRPORT IS NEAR
FOR THE CORNWALLS TO FLEE
Conor Conor you are a KOOK
Mariano don't call for pizzas,
he drives
But Prince Willams cannot fly his CHOP
He is bipolar and a drunk
Conquerrrrrrrrrrr
Your english is worst, no money, no class,
This web is a Port-a-John so keep dumping your crap
USA Hurry UP
Send the brits to DIE in Iraq and Iran
They are deformed like the Jews, so exterminate such crap
Like Hittler did to Jews
HaHaHa
SUZZYUSA
Jun 30th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of little one,
No one insults you, [it’s your imagination]
You on the other hand insult everyone who tries to be nice to you.
Perhaps it would help you, if you was the last woman on the planet,
And just had Mr Penn, as the last man.
But to be fair, its not your fault,
We should have more sympathy for a child, who just does not understand what it is like to be an adult,
But hopefully when you reach the age of [six]
You might , just might , understand that in your case, crying for help does not work,
By the way, as you again failed two define both subjects given to you,
Perhaps you could define SussieUS to us all,
So we can all have a giggle,
We don’t believe you are an American, we can barely believe you are argentine,
CFK would almost certainly have you gagged.
We may settle on , borge, perhaps.
Nighty nighty.
Don’t sleep tightly.
.
ConchaSuciaUS
Jun 30th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My God, you can't even spell Hitler right!
@218 - SussieUS
Jun 30th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an ignoramus. You claim to be a US citizen, but to date you have insulted your own president, not about politics, but with racial slurs, and now you make light of the fact that US service men and women have died and are still dying in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Then you have the temerity to make jokes about the holocaust.
You are SCUM and a COWARD, the worse kind of person, to make fun of those who stand guard whilst you sleep. I truly hope US immigration catches up with you and sends you back to live in the squalor you obviously left your country of Argentina to escape. Read the poem underneath and gain some understanding of the true cost of freedom.
FREEDOM (extract from Contact)
It is the soldier, not the reporter,
Who has given us Freedom of the Press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
Who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organiser,
Who has given us Freedom to Demonstrate.
It is the soldier, who serves beneath the Flag,
Who salutes the Flag,
Whose coffin is draped in the Flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the Flag.
It is the soldier, not the politician,
Who has given his blood, his body, his life,
Who has given us these Freedoms.
So SussieUS next time you want to make fun of the sacrifice of servicemen, don't be a COWARD, do it to their faces.
The next time you want to make fun of the victims if the holocaust don't be a COWARD, do it in front of some Jewish people.
But you won't, because you are a COWARD, a LIAR and a hateful FOOL.
Oh please let us know your address again, I have some friends in the USMC who take a dim view of traitors to the USA, I'm sure they'd love to visit you so you can insult them to their faces.
how frustrating it must be for CFK to have to put so much political pressure on so many latin american countries to support her eligal claim to my home. Must be even more frustrating to know that just 3,000 democratic people are standing in her way who hold the trump cards to the Falkland Islands dispute. As for need to know about shipping routes and the fact Mercosur have to side with the devil it will have no impact on our methods to operate at all because we mostly deal direct with Britain who happens to believe in what we stand for and is prepared to protect our democratic rights under the United nations charter so KFC get used to it we islanders are going to be doing what we have always been doing long after you have been and gone.
Jul 01st, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are not afraid of bullies or their threats because we know that Argentina has always blown a lot of hot air. It is probaly the reason the climate has changed so much withg all that extra hot air about.
So while our people continue to do what we always do you can keep blowing your trumpet plastic face.
221LEPR
Jul 01st, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is just a bored, uneducated little girl, let her have her fun!
216 DanyBerger (#) I didn't say you could loose your Argentine citizenship, I said you could loose your US one. Susy is apparently an RG with an acquired US Green Card which she can loose. I used to fly US citizens (Argentine born) to Montevideo on voting days so they didn't jeopardise their US citizenship.
Jul 01st, 2012 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hold dual UK/RG citizenships, my wife and kids have three citizenships (add Polish).
@194 SussieUS
Jul 01st, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am 32 from England and my name is Steven.
Can post me your phone number again, I would like to speak with you about some of your posts. Thanks
224 TIM
Jul 01st, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back in the late seventies our specific group of expats were given a contingency plan. If a child was to be born they were immediately flown to Montevideo or Miami for three reasons. Better medical care, obviously. Anyone born on Argentine soil was Argentine and therefore eligible for military service, and finally they had a stupid law where you had to name your child from a list. You couldn't choose your own name! Nobody chose to have an Argentine child and the company was more than happy to pay for the travel and medical expenses.
Sadly mates we fear Susie usa will not listen, and that’s what is sad,
Jul 01st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her abuse knows no bounds,
Life is so precious, and this child just throws it memory away like rubbish, perhaps the American people, should , see who is living amongst them, and try to remove her,
Just a thought .
conQUEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR and 221 223 225 227
Jul 01st, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HERE I AM
Susana Brown
1901 East Apache Boulevard # 114
Tempe, Arizona 85281
45 minutes from Sky Harbor, so let face, you said you can check on me AND QUICK ME OUT. SO PROVE IT.
I give you 30 days to serve me with any legal charges you want to make on me.
Dany Berger nothing wrong with you. But I defend myself , I don't need your help. If these UK kooks dare to changelling me in Court, they will have to pay.....HHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaa
I keep laughing.
Come one, ConQEEEERRRRRRR, show your guts.
The worst of this situation aren't cameron's pathetic analysis, which are totally hipocrite and too partial. The worst, is that unfortunatelly, planty of people believes him, especially many of the ignorants who publish comments here everyday, and who buy so easily his mediocre thoughts.
Jul 01st, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, when he accuses argentina of protectionism, he omits that all the countries are protectionist, and it's the right thing to do, because they need to protect their industrial production, beside, in another article he criticised the nationalization of repsol's actions, and didn't say absolutly anything about the lack of inverstments by it, beside, he didn't say anything either about the mistakes of our government, he just made no more than the tipical pathetic analysis that most politicians do all the time., which is always too partial.
On the other hand, he accuses argentina of colonialism, and at the same time he rejects to resume the negotiations respecting the sovereignty of the islands, like the u. n and most international comunity signalize, and deffends the right to self determination for the islanders, which has never been applied for this cause, like it was for others colonial situations, beside he omits that this dispute has always been considered like a special colonial situation. However he blames only argentina, and his hipocresy won't let him recognize that he is not acting correctly either.
Regarding our government, there is a contradiction in it's actions, it claims for the sovereignty of the islands, and at the same time it doen'st accept to include the islanders in the negotiations respecting the sovereignty, i have always criticised that. Anyway the l. a. from the islands has always said that it's disposed to discuss about many issues with arg., but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, they are not acting correctly either.
I only can tell that if you dont have enough intellectual honesty, you can't dicuss about politic.
@Sussie usa
Jul 01st, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My oh my, full of hatred and bile, are'nt we. Threats too. Why is that? Did you lose someone in 1982?
Or is it just that you enjoy screaming at people in futile attempt at intimidation?
Call me what you like- I don't care.
I live in the west midlands - come and find me if you like..............................
If you want to talk - why don't you put up your number again (like steve said above) - I bet it's not the real deal anyway...............................
Oh how frustrating it must be for you not to bow down before you in all your might.
How angry our defiance must make you.
You really need some professional help. Not like we say to malvibaby (who is a bit simple really) but because you are likely to hurt yourself or others in your self destructive rage.
Carry on like you are now and you will give yourself a heart attack or stroke.
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Jul 01st, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@221
Jul 01st, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a very funny man Lepricon.
You seem to get trully morally outraged about people making fun or insulting the Americans, or the UK, or Europe. Some time ago you got morally outraged at Argentines and their attitude towards other South Americans.
Yet you constantly insult my country and the people here, and you see nothing wrong with that.
Somes up all of you here, quite frankly. You are all very morally bankrupt people, at least on a personal level. Whether that is a reflection of your respective societies, I will not dare to comment this time.
@232
Jul 01st, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will dare to comment this time. Mr TTT, your fellow commentators, like Berger, Sussie, Marcos etc. Have all made insulting comments as well towards the United Kingdom, in particular Mr Forget86/87 who thinks it's some how in his moral sphere to wish for the death's of people in Northern Ireland, I quote “the Ulster protestants got what they deserved.” I would agree with the premise of what you are saying however you commentators have been just as bad and you know it, it does not matter were you are from people naturally insult others while feeling offended when insulted in return, everyone on this site has done it including you and Me.
@233 Hear hear. Plenty of Argentinians like using insults on this site as they can't muster a decent argument. Unfortunately a number of our countrymen do it too sometimes.
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@axel arg - I find your views mediocre as well. The Falklanders want nothing to do with you. The islands have been British for over 180 years.
Argentina's claims to soverignty are flimsy and based on arguments to do with inheriting the Spanish claim (which can be disputed, and was followed by an eviction of the British colony) and what happened in 1833 - when we evicted an Argentine garrison whose presence we had protested, whereas the Vernet colony (which had asked permission to be there) was left alone, only 4 people left.
We have no case to answer.
@232 -Tobias
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I insult your country? Don't think so, I have insulted your politicians, their policies, their arrogance and Argtards. In fact I am often saying how Argentina could be a major player in the world, one of the richest countries, but your governments always seem to hold you back. How is that 'insulting' your country?
You have insulted lots of people Tobias, under your various screen names, and quite often these insults are meat in a tongue in cheek kind of way, and sometimes they're not.
But tell me Tobias, is making fun of the 5 million people (plus) who were murdered in the Death Camps in world war 2 acceptable? Or is making fun of disabled people acceptable? Or is making fun of soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country acceptable?
Any decent human being would answer no, it is not acceptable in any sense even joking, but especially in the way the SussieUS wrote it.
Don't defend SussieUS, for she is the worst kind of person, a coward, and she is scum, who spits in the face of everything decent.
Quite frankly why would you want someone like that on your side? She does more damage to the Argentinian cause than all the Brits put together, but when she goes over the line, she needs to be put back in her place.
229 Axel Arg
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“deffends the right to self determination for the islanders, which has never been applied for this cause”
Nor has it every been stated in any UN resolution of any kind that Self Determination does not apply.
“he omits that this dispute has always been considered like a special colonial situation.”
No UN resolution has ever referred to it as a special colonial situation, therefore he omits nothing. Argentina once tired to have this statement going as far as trying to have the statement specifically read that Self Determination couldn't be applied in this situation BUT it was voted down as this such a statement would conflict with the UN Charter. We have been over this before in a previous post Axel. Please try not to follow your governments habit of blindly repeating untruths.
“and at the same time he rejects to resume the negotiations respecting the sovereignty of the islands, like the u. n and most international comunity signalize”
Again we have been over this before also. At the present time it is only the outdated and defunct committee of 24 which keeps pressing for negotiations to resume, and this makes up only 15% of the UN GA membership - none of the committees draft resolutions have been adopted by the GA and therefore the majority of the UN seems to be in no hurry to press the issue for negotiation.
@229
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“, and deffends the right to self determination for the islanders, which has never been applied for this cause, like it was for others colonial situations”
1/- The Falkland Islands are no longer a colonial situation as they have had 3 (correct me if I've got the number wrong good folks), constitutional changes since 1982 in which HMG have ceded more political/autonomous powers to them. If this was acolonial situation, HMG would not have ceded any autonomy.
Lets put this in simple terms for you. If it was a colonial situation, HMG would not be ceding more powers to the Islanders.
Also HMG have said to the Islanders, if you wish to be Argentine you can. If the UK were still colonial in their approach, they would tell the Islanders, 'if you wish to be part of Argentina you cannot in any circumstances become Argentine, even if you wish to.
That is not the case here as you will find out when the FI hold a fully democratic referendum next year.
Your problem is that the Islanders have no wish to be governed by an INCOMPETENT country like Argentina that can't even ensure its people can have heating in their homes.
Argentina seeks to become a colonial power, by taking away the Falklanders right to govern themselves at the same time as the UK have CEDED powers to the Islanders.
2/- Could you post a link as to exactly where it specifically states (for the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever ) that the UN denies the Falkland Islanders self-determination.
Hopefully the Falkland Islanders will be removed from the C24 which is represented by discredited states (who don't even practice the UN charter which is the foundation for the UN) such as.............Syria.
Well hear we go again, the poor indoctrinated Argies claiming to be the victim , and the nasty brits are to blame,
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One should not worry what others do, rather [what you] do is the point,
Still that’s being human we suppose,
But we would politely like to remind all you Argies, the good ones and the bad ones,
The British Falklands will remain British, until such time as they freely and democratically vote otherwise,
Argentina has no valid claim, in the past , now , or in the future,
So carry on moaning if you choose or debating, but you will not get them,
Unless you to fxxht for them, but you only want, CFK peace,
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sussy,
My mum said I cannot speak to, or reply to you any more, because you are a very nasty evil little uncontrollable wild child,
So bye bye .
mmmmm
.
220, 231: Zhivago. Whatever your reasons, I don't think you should be using the strong, four-lettered, deprecatory language you publish when referring to a certain person here. This is not a ground for verbal violence, but a place to discuss freely and openly about the Falklands/Malvinas' issues. Please try to refrain. Thanks. Best wishes-.
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0239 Argie ??????????
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is that lager or cider . ??
239 Argie
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know this is going to sound really childish but;
She started it!
Why is she allowed to make threats in whatever language she pleases? My goal is that she goes away and sooner or later she will.
Very little about the Falklands is ever discussed here and its because there is nothing to discuss. The Falklands are British. What is the point f discussing sovereignty when there is no issue. Why do you people keep bringing up a war you lost? So, lacking anything serious to discuss things get boring and there's nothing left but troll-baiting. As Britain has no need for any resolution I thought all these forums were a joke and just a place to have some fun.
SHB. PETER BOG. LEGION NI.
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to know when the u. n considered this dispute like a special colonial situation, you can search the statement by norma edwards before the decolonization committe, where she complained about that, search it in the news archive of this website, the date is june 24th 2010. Beside, you can search also on line, the website of the u. n, where you'll be able to read all the resolutions where self determination was applied for different colonial situations, but there is not even one refference to the aplication of that right for this dispute. On the other hand, in case that the u. k decides to resume the negotiations with arg., if the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british government, arg., won't be able to force them to be only under argentine sovereignty, beyond what our constitution says about the pretentions of our country regarding our claim, because thats' not what the u. n ask both nations, anyway, it's not imposible to find a fair solution for all the parts respecting the sovereignty. Beside, unfortunatelly, you still dont realise about the doble standart that you use when you criticise our constitution, according to your view, for argentina there is just one outcome, however, your side has always manifested that it's disposed to talk about different issues with arg., but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, beside, it claims for the application of the right to self determination for the islanders, so, for you, there is just one outcome too.
On the other hand, if you think that only our side omits information respecting the history of this conflict, and the legal aspects, that shows that you are just buying the propaganda from you country. I insist, if you dont have enough intellectual honesty, you can't discuss about something so complicated like politic, that's why you dont recognize that your side is not acting correctly either.
241 Zhivago. 1) To me, it doesn't matter who began or who has the best expletives. Being men, we have to respect women, even if they don't respect us, at least in public and especially in these public places. Not replying to provocation leaves the provocateur alone. Privately, perhaps you can cut her in pieces and include her remains in a new house wall.
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 02) If the Falklands/Malvinas Is. are British, who are the people that want 'self determination' to become a country or something of the sort? Do they want to extricate the land from the United Kingdom? Do you think that Gloucester or Northumberland, or any other British County can ask for the same privilege? If not, then don't you think there's a kind of awful discrimination...
243 Argie
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the Falklanders want is between them and the British, it has nothing to do with Argentina. Argentina keeps on butting in as if they have some say in the matter, they are like a gnat that just won't go away. They keep demanding, and demanding, why don't they understand that nobody is taking them seriously. Don't get mad when people see these forums as a lark, something to do when its raining outside, because the important decisions have already been made, Argentina just wasn't paying attention.
Don't give me that macho bullshit about respecting women, if she can dish it out, she better learn how to take it. Malvinas don't exist, never did.
@227
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheap Charlie Briton
Go head challenge me in Court. I gave you and ConQUUUEEERRRR
30 DAYS 7/1/12 - 8/31/12
Don't YOU have your own computer?
YOU have made A SERIOUS ACCUSATION AGAINST ME.
SO PROVE IT IF YOU ARE RIGHT.
Just one more for today.
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to 194 Sussie
English in England was born
and for a couple of centuries spoken
One day some Englishmen moved
as you know, to America's north
Now they think they speak English
and perhaps they are not very wrong
as the lingos they took in their luggage
some three hundred years ago
appeared by surprise in their baggage
as a jack-in-the box!
Cheers!
My mummy said,
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In every barrel,
You will find a rotten one,
In every great team, there is always one that lets you down,
In every country, there will always be a traitor,
In every forum, there is a animal, who wants to be top cat,
Still,
Look on the bright side,
As long as we don’t lay in the gutter to confront them,
Then the smell will stay where it is,
[in the gutter ]
Mummy’s always right.
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242 axel arg
You only want the UN when it suits you, until then you ignore everything they say or stand for,
As we told you before, but you and others conveniently choose to ignore,
First of, argentina [CFK ]
Should stop the bullying , threats , abuse , blockading , insults , abhorrent lies ,
Then and only then, may you even consider yourselves fit to even remain in the room as them, to whom you wish to speak.
Its not what others do that counts,, its what you are doing that speaks volumes,
And that is being a bully.
@ 247 Cheap Charlie Briton
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! poor baby! You mummy said? does she hears you crying?..........gggggggggguuuuuuuuuuugaaaaaaaaaaaa full of crrraaaappppppp.... where are the nappies, mummy.
Let face it, do you still believe I am Illigal in the USA or if your continued desire to degrade argentinians?
Prove yourself in Court about my nacionality. You cannot? or your change your mind? Definitely, you need to learn about the USA
immigration Law.
You sound nothing more than an stinky cabbage fart!
………. the little one
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Utters.
No one is listening .
Meanwhile in Europe,
The Germans have agreed to something, but has not yet told everybody else,
And mr Cameron has promised a referendum,
But don’t yet know what on , or what it is about, or whether it is yet the correct time .
But he will let us all know sometime,
In argentina today, CFK admitted that she had a headache .
More news later .
@ 249 Cheap Charlie Briton
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I gave you and Conqueror 30 DAYs 7/1/12 to 8/31/12 to prove your allegations against my USA legal status.
Is was a joke or you affirm what you have said is your accussation?
Please, clarify.
In 992 I won a legal claim I made against US Air Force Lt.Colonel Robert Patterson based on sex descrimination: female: refused to employ.
Legal issues are brought to COURT for clarification. It seems you are a cheap charlie Briton and cannot afford the legal fees.
the little one
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0utters.
@ 250 Why aren't the Argentines taking the oil companies around the Falkland Islands to court as they threatened?
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! Briton you are in trouble I guess.
Jul 02nd, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Extradition to USA master puppeteer of UK is almost automatic.
http://appraisalnewsonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/puppeteer.jpg
And do you know how dangerous are US prisons?
I guess you would be safer in Afghanistan after have been caught by some Talibans while you were burning the Koran.
@253
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Extradition to USA master puppeteer of UK is almost automatic.” You do realise that extradition treaty works both ways Mr Berger? You know they want a prisoner we give them to them and if we want a prisoner they give them to us. Or are you so thick that you cant work that out?
“I guess you would be safer in Afghanistan after have been caught by some Talibans while you were burning the Koran.” I think you will find it has been the Americans who have been burning the Koran not us Brits.
226 Zhivago (#) What you say is absolutely true: I have a Spanish name on my RG documents which is not the name my parents chose for me when I was baptised and which figures on my Church of England baptismal certificate (and my UK passport). I consider it an infringement on our personal rights. I couldn't give my kids the names I wanted so eff the Latino RGs and their pathetic chip on their shoulder and I registered my kids with the name I wanted at the British Consulate.
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@axel arg 242.
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one in my country takes whatever the decolonisation committee says seriously. I have done it before, but lets take a second look at who is in it.
Antigua and Barbuda
Bolivia - pro argentina
Chile - has problems on northen border so pays lip service to helping you
China-er, tibet any one? what about the recent escalation in tensions in the south china sea? wants to re-unify (forcibly if neccessary) with Taiwan.
Congo - are you joking - a sea of ethnic hatred
Côte d'Ivoire
Cuba - anti British
Dominica
Ecuador- supports argentina in the hope that this will counter balance Peru.
Ethiopia - serious problems with eritreia and somalia.
Fiji
Grenada
India
Indonesia - itself an aggressive colonising power, and has used force to grab land like Argentina did in 82
Iran - another joke - not very friendly towards the uk are they.
Iraq - riiigghhhtttt, may be a bit of a grudge here
Mali
Nicaragua
Papua New Guinea
Russia- sees us as a major opponent in it's attempts to re-impose hegemony in the baltic and eastern europe-thraetened to attack poland recently
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Sierra Leone
Syrian Arab Republic - been watching the news - Assad and co are murdereing their own people toi stay in power
Timor-Leste
Tunisia
Tanzania
Venezuela - outspokenly on your side.
Get the picture - the organisation is a joke. It is made up primarily of non-democratic anti western nations, many of which have axes to grind against my country- hardly impartial is it.............
I have read up on the respective claims in depth. Both sides have some historical merit, however ours is stronger due to prior occupancy and 180 odd years of continuous settlement.
The people there regard themselves as British, and we paid a price in blood to defend them in 1982. NO NEGOTIATION with aggressors.
@Tim
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mohamed & Mohammed are accepted so I don’t know why you were given another name in your DNI.
See full list here of M http://www.sitiosargentina.com.ar/Nombres/masculinos/M.htm
Full ARG names accepted.
http://www.sitiosargentina.com.ar/Nombres/masculinos/M.htm
242 axel arg
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Axel - I repeat, NO UN Resolution has EVER referred to the Falklands as a special case of Colonalism. NONE.
ALSO - NO UN resolution of any kind has EVER stated that Self Determination does not apply to the Falklands.
The one time Argentina tried to have this written into a draft resolution it was rejected by the GA as it did not comply with the purpose of the UN or it's Charter. The draft resolution had to be re-written removing these statements. You already know this, and accepted it. We have discussed this before on another article.
It may well be the case that individual representatives have referred to it as a special case - for which Norma Edwards rightly objected - but it is NOT and has NEVER been the offical policy of the UN.
257 Danylomito
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0People should be allowed to name their own child without looking it up on a government-approved list. I always thought that was a bit of an Orwellian law.
@Zhivago
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Danylomito”???? you cannot find something really offensive mate?
Anyway why are you so upset if after all you are going to choose Mohammed?
Now serious the list has the purpose to protect child and avoid the problem like you have in UK and the worse in NZ from idiots parents that can named their child like Superman, Gazza, Gandalf, Apple, Tulipan, Princess, Pax, Brooklyn, Zowie, Fifi Trixibelle, 4Real, Arsenal, Tombola, Dickdastardly, Haribo, Sex Fruit, Bus Shelter, Violence, etc.
That ruins the life of the poor child becoming the near target for bullying in schools and entire life, etc.
So some countries like Norway, Denmark, Spain, Germany and Argentina publish list of acceptable names.
“Professor Helen Petrie, from the University of York, has studied the psychological effects of having an unusual name.
“I found that people with unusual names had a really hard time, particularly when they were children,” she says.
253 DanyBerger (#)
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! Briton you are in trouble I guess
Eye said it once, and eye will say it again, for all to hear,
Eye does not think she is American
Eye do not believe she is Argentinean
Eye do not believe that argentines or Americans , would behave is that way against there fellow man/woman,
She of course has a legal right to prove that she is a America or argentine, if she so wishes,
She may put all her details on line for all to see,
But then this would not prove anything other than, an unknown person puts improvable information on line, about an unproven from intelligence.
Simple it is not,
Baaaa .
p/s
under the UN constitution, article 307/457763dd2, page 768,
every decent human has the right to ignore another person if he or she wishes to.
269 DanyBurrito
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is just a way of the government controlling the people. Surely children will find other reasons to make fun of each other. Surely being part kraut you realize some of the dangers of giving the government too much power.
240 Briton. Am sorry, I forgot to answer your query here.
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you wrote: lager or cider?
it's neither.
it's black 'n tan (we're in winter down here now)
and btw I like your very very British poems.
my own in 246 had a slip in the 2nd verse (which you surely noted)
it reads: and for a couple of centuries spoken
it should have read: and for about four centuries spoken
since, some 400+ years ago, English came out from Middle and started its way into current language, changing also spelling.
I love to speak your language in America. They hate me immediately because they think I'm one of you (which I'm not, it's only that I lived in England for a while studying, sitting for exams, working, canvassing for the Tories, getting my poems published in magazines and having fun, and came back several times to visit friends. I have a few FI friends as well and most probably one of them is reading me now. The F.I.info site published online a 1982-war-related poem of mine “Elegy....” which somehow came also out on the Wikipedia together with one by Jorge L. Borges.
W.Wordsworth said that poets have the obligation to show its people what common eyes cannot see. You're good, Briton, so keep on writing!
Cheers!
263 Argie
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you,
I do try,
Don’t worry abt errors or mistakes, i do it all the time, impatiens they call it,
Poetry is very good; it keeps the brain going,
Some great poets about,
Of course I think English is the best,
But then again most people find there own the best,
But thank you for the comment .
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SHB. BRITON. LEGION NI.
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already realised along time ago that the decolonization committee is irrelevant for you, thats' why you dont respect it's resolutions. After reading your comments, i confirm what i have always thought about the british governments, they think they are the owners of the international right, thats' why they think they can ignore the resolutions that dont benefit them, beside, unfortunatelly, there will always be mediocre people like you, who blames argentina only, and doesn't recognize that the u. k is not acting correctly either. Allthough i support many of the decisions that c. f. k took regarding this dispute, i have always criticised the fact that our government doesn't accept to include the government from the islands in the negotiations for the sovereignty, if we say that the islands are argentine, it means that the people who lives there are our compatriots too, so, their government MUST be included in the negotations for the sovereignty, c. f. k's government is acting in contradiction. However, you have always justified the actions of your government, respecting it's rejection to the resolutions from the decolonization committe, using ignorant arguments, and telling only what is convenient for you. You can ignore as much as you like the fact that the committe has always considered this case like a special colonial situation, and the fact it has never invoked the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations. Anyway, after having investigated for more than two years about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflcit, i think that the resolutions from the committe should be more specific, they should affirm if self determination is applicable or not, otherwise, they will be open to different interpretations, which is not good. In my investigation i have a lot of information about that right, i have always proposed to send it to you, but you have never accepted it.
265 axel arg
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be unbiased
Is one thing.
But to accept nothing less than argentine control over the British Falklands, is doctorial, is it not,
We ask you,
Can the British government demand sovereignty over argentina,
Whenever you like it or not,
Answer [no]
Can Argentina demand sovereignty over the British Falklands, whenever they like it or not, and the answer is still the same [no]
Your surveys and investigations are irrelevant,
When will you learn?
The people on the islands freely wish to be British, and no amount of investigating will alter these genuine facts.
.
The following is an excerpt of one (yet unpublished...)
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Small Gods
We are the small gods –
we write, give life to characters,
born from our heads alive as Aphrodite.
We endow them with bodies, souls,
minds, images, spirits, decision, voice,
make them act
in settings of our own choosing.
We are the small gods of predestination;
we know exactly what will happen
to each and every one.
We are the small gods –
we can enhance, ruin, cut,
make lives petty or great,
live through the whole comedy
or just a single line or act.
We can bless or curse,
plot, change loyalties, conspire,
bring war, peace, love, incantation,
wrongs, rights, envy, fury, hate,
treason, life and death
at our sole discretion.
We are the small gods –
we write.
Cheers!!
#263 “canvassing for the Tories”
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know some of them don't like Argies all that much! But then as we are both proof of, life is a rich tapestry (or canvass, as it were) =)
265 axel arg
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel - you state again that “committe has always considered this case like a special colonial situation” BUT ther is NO resolution - DRAFT or otherwise - which states this. It is therefore not the policy or view of the UN.
I'm not ignoring anything, thats just simple FACT.
Has the GA of the UN requested that negotiations recommence? Yes in a resolution passed sometime in the late 80's after the Falklands war. Since then no further GA resolutions on the matter have been passed.
Like it or not, the UK has made its position crystal clear. It will not negotiate without the express permission and at the request of the people of the Falkland Islands thereby upholding the UN Charter.
Whether you agree with that or not, that is the case.
Argentina would be better served building bridges with the Islanders.
228 SussieUS (#)
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Susana Brown
1901 East Apache Boulevard # 114
Tempe, Arizona 85281”
SussieUS, you are a liar apart from being a “boca sucia”.
I have just checked with the US postal service and the address you have given does not correspond to “Susana Brown”, so take your lies elswhere!!!!
@270
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simeon
Yes, I live in Arbour Park Apts.
1901 East Apache Boulevard #114 in Tempe, Arizona 85281 USA since June 16, 2012.
The post office does not have such address yet because I just move in.
@axel arg - “you ignore facts inconvenient to your argument ”.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0A) That sums you up pretty well.
B) Take another look at that list of nations in the C24 and ask yourself truthfully if the UK would get a fair hearing there.
We don't need to talk to you about sovereignty - we don't have a case to answer, certianly not to the C24. The Falklanders want nothing to do with you, until that changes my country sees no reason to change things.
(tongue-in-cheek)
Jul 04th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I invite the Bennies to invade and conquer Argentina?
Most of us speak the language. We hate our plastic queen.
We have Qualified Nurses aplenty...
Our huge land would guarantee food for all its inhabitants as the census will grow in only 3,000 more people.
This would solve all sovereingty problems for good and the resulting country would find order easily. I'm sorry for the local English schools: English will be our mother tongue in one generation.
Hey, mate, pass the bottle please!
LEGION NI. SHB. BRITON.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunatelly the biggest problem that you have is not only your lack of intellectual honesty, you are all hipocrites too. You know very well that the u. k doesn't care in absolut about the right determination, if it can reject sistematicly all the reolutions, it's because it's one of the members of the security councill, and you know it, however your hipocresy won't let you recognize this fact.
This question will finish the day that the resolutions from the decolonizaton committe affirm once and for all if that right is applicable or not to the population from the islands, otherwise, they will continue being open to different interpretations. If you see the website from u. n, you won't find not even one resolution which expresses the application of the right to self determination for the malvinas-falkland cause, you'll find others resolutions where that principle is applicable for others colonial situations. Anyway, there isn't also any resolution which manifests that self determination is not applicable, for all these reaosns, i think that the resolutions should be more specific. The fact that there is not any resolution that expresses that the case is being considered like a special colonial situation by the decolonization committe, it doens't mean that it has never been the policy of it respecting this case. Don you wonder why the commite has never invoked the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations?, anyway i have never denied the fact that maybe that principle is applicable for the islanders, but you already know what i think about the posture of the u. n, and it's resolutions.
On the other hand, i know that you love saying that the resolutions are not-binding, but you ignore that the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of just one of the parts, especially if self determination has never been applied for this cause.
274 axel arg (
Jul 04th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, you are all hypocrites too. You know very well that the u. k doesn't care in absolute about the right determination,
[and of course you and CFK does, is this right ]**
, it's because it's one of the members of the security council, your hypocrisy won't let you recognize this fact
[And if CFK was a member she would be a clean as a whistle,]**
[ just like her member ship of others , is this not true .**
that the resolutions from the decolonisation committee affirm once and for all if that right is applicable or not to the population from the islands,
[replace the c24, with Germany, France , NZ , Australia , USA , Canada ]**
[bell, Den , Hill , Norway , Sweden , Swiss , Prichard isle , and Malta ,]**
[ will you then accept there decision, once and for all ]**
.. If you see the website, from u. n, you won't find not even one resolution which expresses the application of the right to self determination for the -Falkland cause,
[ and you wont find one against .]***
On the other hand, I know that you love saying that the resolutions are not-binding,
[but it happens to be the truth,]
Or
Would you prefer us to lie, just to suit you and CFK .
One day, you will open your eyes, and see the real world,
And not your indoctrinated one.
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