MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
First organized labour national strike challenges President Cristina Fernandez
For the first time in decades the powerful Argentine organized labour movement has confirmed it is going ahead with a much debated national strike against a Peronist government, which allegedly rests on support precisely from the unions and a long history of generous labour legislation. Read full article
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Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another ongoing strike
“ there is ample freedom of expression and free press” Freedom of press ranking 47. Democracy index for 2011: 51: 6.84 Flawed Democracy. Hardly something to be proud of. Remind me, who owns most of the press again...?
Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems clear reading through the biases of the article to what the actual contenders are saying, that Cristina is to the left of Moyano and trying to uplift all Argentines especially the poorest, while his union bureaucracy works mainly for a privileged labour aristocracy. His personal ambition is also clear, and he's playing a dangerous game trying to destroy a left government to take over. Cristina's comments about him learning some real solidarity are most apposite. Hopefully he'll be kicked out at the election next month
Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical negro mugriento.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 But Cristina's current obsession with heightening inflation is hurting the poorest people in society. Moyano is asking for the current tax rules to take into account inflationary rises over the last few years so that they represent similar thresholds to those on which the tax levels were originally based. This is simple. You would be in uproar if the same thing happened in the UK. Just think (for example) if people earning over £35k are subject to 40% tax (for example only 15% of the population) and then, as a result of inflation, pay rises to match inflation which (was stimulated by the government) meant that 45% were subject to the higher rate tax without actually having more any spending power then you would be effectively taxing the poorest in society. This results in a right wing taxation policy.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 BK
Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am honestly intrested in your (in my opinion) warped sense of reality comes from. Therefore (and these are honest questions)
1) Are you Argentine?
2) Are you a Peronist?
3) Have you ever studied Argentine history or politics at an acredited school?
4) Have you ever lived and/or worked in Argentina?
5) Are you a troll trying to poke for a reaction?
I am honestly intrested as you seem to have completly no idea what Peronism is, how and why it was started and the damage it has done to the Argentine people for generations. Christina has absoutly no intrest in helping the poor raise themselves out of poverty, what she (as every other Peronist government has done) is to keep the people in a constant state of relience on government hand outs so that they secure the majority vote in an election. If these 81% of non tax payers were raised out of poverty they would also be raised into the income paying bracket and would then be concerned as to how a government uses their tax money and would turn instantly to oposition parties. It is very easy for those who do not pay tax to not worry how it is being spent. As Welsh Wizard said above the sky rocketting inflation hurts the poor the hardest as the price of everything goes up. Can you imagine going into a supermarket in Argentina today and a loaf of bread now costs 24% more than it did a year ago. That means the poor have 24% less money to spend on raising themselves out of poverty. Therefore please explain to me how you can view this demigoguery of a government to be in any way socilist? If they were they would be cutting their own salaries (instead of giving themselves a 100% pay raise). I dont agree with what the GCT is doing but I am willing to accept it if it leads to the overthrow of this incapable and incompetent corrut government who blunder from one problem to the next with no idea what they are doing. She sorrounds her self with Yes men rather than those that can actualy do the job, like economists.
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Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So who cares? The poor voted for her, they are getting exactly what they deserved.
The 60% middle and upper classes, those with actual education, or an own business, or a trade, or a degreee, will just get their salaries raised to match inflation, since their skills and products can sustain it. As long as the economy does not crash it can.
It is the 35-40% peronist base that gets shafted by inflation. I say, good.
If there is a crisis, the middle class and upper class maybe affected for a year or so, then when things turn around they'll start recovering.
It is the poor that will be (again), decimated. And I say, good. Eventually, it will stick in their heads that inflation is bad, and not to vote for a government that never cared for tackling it.
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Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you want to comment here or to Daily Mail ?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249531/We-living-broken-Britain-Most-voters-pessimistic-state-country.html
Toby, The “middle class” has been destroyed in Argentina, each generations since Peron ruled has become poorer. The 90s and 00 were especially hard on a majority of the families.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a lot of well educated Argentinian friends in their late 30s with good jobs that can't afford to own a car or buy their own place! They're still living with their families! While most of them were growing up they had summer houses, took nice vacations, had maids and cooks, went ot private schools and universities and now their families can barley keep up with the household expenses! The summer houses are gone, maids are gone, int'l vacations are out of the question, it is bad for them and getting worse.
I don't know what kind of fantasy world you are living in but it doesn't fit with the reality of what is really going on in Argentina.
@8 with the Argentine economy what is there to be optimstic about?
Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus I dont live in the UK so the article is not relevent. Would you like to have a meaningful debate on the opinions I raised or conduct a character slagging match? I can do both but would prefer the meanigful debate.
@7 I sort of agree (twice in two days.. we are on a roll) but I hate to see the uneducated poor used as a poltical tool especialy when forced into the opion by fear.
If there was another crash I could see the middle and upper class Argentines moving to Chile in pursuit of a life (like many did in 2001 but to Spain and Europe, but thats not much of an option at the moment). We are having problem getting temporary work visas for our Argentine staff in Chile as Chile is starting to restrict work visas.
@8 Your link is more than two years old! And it's not even from a serious newspaper. Rearrange the following words to make a sentence (a foreign concept to some):
Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0straws at grasping you are.
@3 - BK
Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viva la Revolución!
Soon the imperialistic Peronist government will be overthrown by the downtrodden workers of Argentina!
Viva la Revolución!
And you BK, a self-proclaimed socialist is against them. TRAITOR! You have betrayed the workers, and will be second against the wall when the revolution comes, first will be that thief and fascist Cristina Fernadez de Kirchener.
Viva la Revolución!
Should have crushed the unions. No problem then? :o)
Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Kirchnerist is the most desperate troll I've ever witnessed.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT you are an inhumane fascist or a troll. You used to say Its Argentina against the world now you say you coudnt care less about your own countrymen who make up the majority of the population. Is British Kirchnerist one of your creations I wonder..?
5 - 6 - 7 - 9 - 10 - 14 Wow! Reads like you are all living in Argentina and understanding the facts of living there.
Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT
Jun 28th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only the rich aren't affected by inflation. Its not just the poor that are affected its the middle class as well hence the cacerolazos (sic). The poor and middleclass make up the majority of the population.
But you already knew that.
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Jun 28th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:57 am
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Another ongoing strike
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Jun 27th, 2012 - 09:22 am
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“ there is ample freedom of expression and free press” Freedom of press ranking 47. Democracy index for 2011: 51: 6.84 Flawed Democracy. Hardly something to be proud of. Remind me, who owns most of the press again...?
Great post. Speaks right to the heart of the matter, ie; the Argentine inability to internalize rules, norms, and moral codes, and anything resembling Democratic principles.
When a bill gets to the House in the US there are only a handful of proposals, but usually just two - all the differences among parties having been worked out before hand.
In Argentina they do the “working out” of things right there, with as many as 40 or more different proposals resulting in the usual, ie; a total kilombo that leads to a dead end and nothing getting done.
They are simply a people incapable of learning, change, and growth.
One thing that keeps them from changing is their insane and childish obsession with political intrigue.
Case in point: 3 British_Kirchnerist (#)
#14 How am I a desperate troll? I have clear left wing principles that I don't hide and stick too, as far as I can see that means backing Cristina against the right wing union bureaucracy in this case, especially in a continental context of attempted coups and counterrevolutions.
Jun 28th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0#17 I can't really be a case in point of anything Argentine can I? But I don't think its an insane and childish obsession with political intrigue to recognise what Moyano himself has said, that he wants Cristina's job
@18 BK
Jun 28th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Union being right wing?
You must be off your rocker! Unions are by definition socialist as they strive to bring fair pay and working conditions to the workers.
It's you who are supporting a right wing government. It is you who support the 'establishment' against the struggling workers. It is you who is the fascist, and a traitor to the working classes and poor.
Soon your dear leader will be held to account by the revolting peasants and workers. Soon your dear leader will find the true meaning of justice when she is put on trial by the people, and her sicophants with her.
Tick tick, CFK, you've lost the trust of the common man and he's coming to get you.
18. right wing union bureaucracy....are you for real? What an idiot.
Jun 28th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Jun 28th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK, if you are really what you claim to be, a fervent left winger, then how can you believe that a person whose personal wealth has gone up by more than 840% in her last four years of office, to a grand total of US$380 million, is any sense left wing?
She believes in the redistribution of wealth in following way: Argentina earns 100 she keeps 50 and the country gets whatever is left after her claque have got their hands on it. This is the truth about your “left wing” heroin.
She is a crook, in the same way that Nestor was a crook. They, between them have robbed the country into practical bankruptcy. And that is also the truth about your “left wing” heroin.
Simon 68 - May not be 100% accurate, but you get my vote.
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