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Venezuela on the campaign trail: “President Chavez, only second to God”

Wednesday, June 27th 2012 - 08:48 UTC
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Political ads exalting Venezuela's populist President Hugo Chávez as second only to God have offended opponents and added further controversy to an already spicy presidential election campaign. Read full article

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  • Idlehands

    You know you have a stuttering democracy when your president dresses up to look that stupid.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DJ56

    Delusions of grandeur - as they say, pride before the fall.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    This is literally no more controversial than the “God and the Queen” oath of the boy scouts! Anyway theres a big difference between the sensationalist headline and the context you get when you actually read the article

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    Do people still wear berets? He looks like a fascist cranberry, and they're the worst kind!

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DJ56

    #3

    On the contrary, there is a big difference between an invocation to the almighty to protect one's sovererign, or even an invocation of the almighty's help, as in the German “Gott mitt uns” , and political propaganda which advances the view “First God, then my comandante”.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @3 BK

    Her Majesty the Queen is God's chosen and Defender of the Faith (Protestant).
    The Pope is God's chosen representative on earth (Catholic).

    And Hugo Chavez and his supporters are commiting blastphemy of the worst kind - maybe the Pope should issue a fatwah against him. It starts with First God, then Chavez, and ends with Chavez telling everyone that he's better than God.

    I believe the traditional punishment for heresy is burning at the stake.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    The boy scout oath if I remember right is to God and the Queen, presumably the Queen comes second after God =) Its not about asking God's protection, you might be confusing it with the national anthem =)

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self Determination

    @7BK
    “I promise to do my best ,
    To do my duty to God and the Queen,
    To keep the law of the wolf cub pack,
    Remember the Falklands are British
    and do a good deed every day”.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yomp to victory

    So, given that God doesn't exist, we can expect Chavez to vanish in a puff of smoke any time now. Oh well, one can dream.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @7 The Scout Promise
    In argieland
    1.A Scout loves God and lives his/her faith fully.
    2.A Scout is loyal and worthy of all trust.
    3.A Scout is generous, courteous, and shows solidarity.
    4.A Scout is respectful and brother/sister of everyone.
    5.A Scout defends and values the family.
    6.A Scout loves and defends life and nature.
    7.A Scout knows how to obey; he/she chooses and acts with responsibility.
    8.A Scout is optimistic even through difficult times.
    9.A Scout is economic, hard-working, and respectful of others' well being. (The Spanish phrase respetuoso del bien ajeno can also be translated as “respectful of others' goods and properties”.)
    10.A Scout is pure and leads a healthy life.

    In the United Kingdom
    1.A Scouts' honour is to be trusted.
    2.A Scout is loyal to The Queen, His Country, His Scouters, His Parents, His Employers and to those under Him.
    3.A Scouts' duty is to be useful and help others.
    4.A Scout is a friend to all, and a brother to every other Scout, no matter to what Country, Class or Creed the other may belong.
    5.A Scout is courteous.
    6.A Scout is a friend to animals.
    7.A Scout obeys orders of his parents, Patrol Leader, or Scout Master without question.
    8.A Scout smiles and whistles under all difficulties.
    9.A Scout is thrifty.
    10.A Scout is clean in thought, word and deed.

    So we can presume that there are only a couple of Scouts in argieland and/or Scouts are lobotomised when they reach adulthood.

    Doesn't seem to bear much relation to what you “remember”. Can you “remember” your lobotomy?

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self Determination

    “Id rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy ,hic ” Groucho Marx.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Well, Chavez is about to be disappointed.

    When his term of 'Dead Man Walking' is over (by the end of the year) he will soon discover there is no God.

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • row82

    Please join this new fb page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the loonacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and their internet trolls - https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Chavez is God. The God of Chav. Hail!

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #10That was a really nice comment about the similarities between our two countries and cultures, until you ruined it by adding your own opinion =)

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Chav will be next in the queue...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5IHeEUVDA

    Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @15 - So BK finally admitting that you are Argentinian.

    You say in response to Conquerer when he compares Argentine Scouts to British Scouts, this:

    “#10That was a really nice comment about the similarities between 'our' two countries and cultures”

    Since Conquerer is British, it obviously means that you are Argentine, which we all knew anyway, an Argtard of the highest order.

    As for Chavez, he'd better be careful, I hear that Catholics are more fanatical than Muslims, so he may find himself being burnt at the stake for heresy and then spend the rest of eternity burning in hell (the place he was always headed for).

    On the positive side, he'll be joined in hell by your beloved Cristina who has broken the commandments more times than she has said the word 'Malvinas', especially the; thou shalt not covet (the Falklands), thou shalt not steal (the people's money, YPF), thou shalt not bear false witness (Falklands, state of the economy, just about every word that comes out of her mouth).

    Yup, beloved Cristina is on a one way ride straight to hell.

    Jun 28th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #17 No I'm not Argentine, “our two countries” is a common way of describing two countries! As for your religious point, I've heard that some Protestants are more fanatical than either Muslims or Catholics; specifically the Westboro Baptist Church of godhatesfags.com fame, who never tire of gloating about public figures going to hell....

    Jun 28th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    18 Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

    “I've heard that some Protestants are more fanatical than either Muslims or Catholics; ”

    All that tells me is that you do not understand what the Muslimists are about.

    As infidels (that's EVERYBODY who is not a MUSLIM) we have tow choices under the Koran:

    1) We embrace the faith with reservations;
    OR
    2) We are killed by the Muslimists.

    These people will not stop untill ALL the world is under their 'faith' which allowed a 54 year old prophet (Muhammad - war and shit be upon him) to consummate his marriage with a 9 YO girl who he 'married' when she was SIX.

    But these mad, deluded bastards, do not want this generally known in the west, even though it still goes on with the Mullahs, even to this day.

    So no, they are not like Christians, even the Westboro Baptists.

    Jun 28th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #19 You are a sick EDL type obviously

    Jun 28th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    20 Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

    Please do not confuse me with your drunken Scottish leftist 'mates', if you have any mates that is.

    Do yourself a favour and research the subject for yourself, you will find that I an correct.

    Or perhaps you are already a muslim?

    Jun 29th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    I'm not a Muslim, but I know enough about Islam to know you're factually wrong. And I know enough about life to see you're bubbling with hate. How convenient for an atheist who's supposed to be against all religions that the worst (or so you say) is one mainly prcticed by brown people at odds with the British government!

    Jun 29th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    22 Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

    It is clear from your post that you know very little indeed about muslimists. Have you read the Koran? I have, but not the interpretation crap that causes all the problems.

    Ask any moslem about Mohammad (just don't say war and shit be upon him) and the 6 YO bride, consummated at 9 YO AND if they are truthful, they will start all sorts of excuses about it 'being a different time' etc, etc.

    And, don't you lecture me about racialism, I'm the one who CHOSE to live in a racialy integrated country. Not a fcuked up society such as the Scotts.

    What I said is factually true and two minutes on a search engine would show you.

    Muslims also have an unbreakable rule about the family and muslimism: if your father converts to Islam at any time then ALL his sons are Islamist whether they are born or not. I don't think the women figure in this, they just do not respect their women folk.

    So, Obarmy the POTUS is a moslem! No arguing, that's it. And the 'moderate' Islamists (an oxymoron if ever the was one) know this to be a fact.

    You see the difference between you and me is very simple. I used to be a Confirmed Christian but always wondered why, if he / she was a loving God, why did I have to fear him? Why could anyone theaten to put the 'fear of God' in me?

    And then I became a scientist, looked at astrophysics, the laws of Newton, which apply throughout the galaxy (up to close to the speed of light) and CHOSE my destiny for myself. That is why I am an atheist, I am CONVINCED by the laws of Nature, that there is no God.

    Have a nice day.

    Jun 29th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    ”So, Obarmy the POTUS is a moslem! No arguing, that's it. And the 'moderate' Islamists (an oxymoron if ever the was one) know this to be a fact“

    I'd be careful calling anyone else barmy when coming out with conspiracy theories like that!

    ”That is why I am an atheist, I am CONVINCED by the laws of Nature, that there is no God”

    Then where did it all come from?? Anyway if you believe all prophets are by definition false prophets, isn't it convenient for you (politically) that you think Mohammed was the worst?!

    Jun 30th, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

    Who said anything about Mohammad being the worst prophet?

    None of them have had any real success, especially when compared to the predictions of astrophysics.

    Then where did it all come from?? Ah! That's the question, isn't it? Some of the brightest minds on the planet are working to discover the truth of the matter, BUT I know one thing, it was not made in six days.

    So you would rather follow the 'writings' of stories that have been handed down through the ages until 'someone' wrote them in a book?

    Pre-medieval fairy tales no less.

    Jun 30th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #25 I don't believe in 6 days either! Wouldn't exactly fit with my communism would it?! However, whatever scientists find out about the big bang and even the conditions it came from, doesn't answer the question of why theres something rather than nothing...

    Jul 02nd, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

    This is not really the place, but here goes.

    The latest thinking (which being a scientist, HAS to be SHOWN to be the case) comprises of (using simple terms) a roll-over existence. A big bang followed by a contraction back to an infinitely small 'point' (such as one OVER a google of a miilimeter) in which all matter is compressed, followed by another big bang.

    This is why it is important to discover if the universe will continue to accelerate away from itself forever as the observable mass suggests is the case, thus failing the theory, OR if other gravity forces, such as dark matter (if actually found to exist) will result in the contraction thus proving the theory.

    I won't get into parallel universes brought about by the alteration of DNA by cosmic rays. AND, I bet you think I am joking! :o)

    P.S. It still doesn't get us away from where the ORIGINAL google sized, infinite mass came from though does it?

    Take two asprin and lie down in a darkened room. :o)

    Jul 02nd, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    “P.S. It still doesn't get us away from where the ORIGINAL google sized, infinite mass came from though does it?”

    Exactly.

    Though if you're not joking about DNA and parallel universes, thanks for broadening my knowledge as I will try to look this up =)

    Jul 03rd, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

    No, I am not joking about cosmic rays altering the DNA sequence of all species on Earth.

    And parallel universes are a consequence of the same thing on a grand scale.

    If you want to start 'gently' (and I am not taking the urine) try Carl Sagan's set of books (except Contact which is a novel really). He tries really hard to bring the non-scientist along with him.

    I am sure however, that even the 'final question' will be answered by scientists one day: maybe hundreds of years in the future, but answer there will be (it won't be God).

    Jul 03rd, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #29 ”maybe hundreds of years in the future, but answer there will be (it won't be God)”

    Why are you so sure, after all you hit the nail on the head (without meaning to, as you said of Pepe!) in the quote I pasted from your last contribution. Though of course “God” means different things to different people, I don't for example believe in the concept of god Fred Phelps preaches about, the god who hates fags and sent the shooter etc. I'm very interested in science, I like watching Horizon programmes and browsing the New Scientist in WH Smith, and would like to get round to Sagan some time. Hadn't heard of a link between parallel universes and DNA before though, interesting....

    Jul 03rd, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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