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Defence minister Puricelli: Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty claim is a regional commitment
Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli said that in the same way “the independence of the Argentines is the independence of the region”, the defence of Argentina is also the defence of the region and in this framework of integration Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Malvinas Islands is a regional commitment. Read full article
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is bankrupt and can't afford to get within a 10th of British military power, in fact it can't even afford to re-arm its entirely obsolete military.
As for measuring British forces strength on the islands, its pure fantasy to think that SA countries can measure the forces of the UK in the area given the UK's ability to move personnel and equipment in secret whenever it wishes too, not that the rest of SA cares one bit. Argentina is kidding itself if it thinks other SA countries care past a few token words that come to exactly zero.
When are the Argies going to get real about the Falklands. They say they want want to replace their British and other western naval equipment with Chinese equipment.They have moved on from their links with Britain yet they cannot move on from their mid 20th century nazi fascist Peronism and they will not recognise that the Falklands,Britain and the world has moved on from the 20th century.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands does not want anything to do with Argentina and Britain has woken up to Argentina's weird nutty obsessions ;especially under this 'birdbrain' president (to quote Michael Buerk).
In other words, we can't take the Falklands by force, so if we play nice to our neighbours and suck up to China, maybe they'll invade them for us.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic really.
Next year tha Falkland Islanders will hold a UN observed referendum, which will show the world what the islanders want. Therefore any invasion attempt by Argentina's 'allies' would be completely illegal and could see the UK invoke article 5 of the NATO charter. This means that Argentina's allies would be facing all NATO countries, not just Britain.
But back to actual reality. Why would any country fight Argentina's wars for them, especially when they would gain nothing from it? With what is Argentina going to buy all this new 'military' hardware, as the country is all but broke, and the Chinese only accept Gold or Dollars?
Once again Argentina is showing the world that it lives in a little fantasy world of its own far away from actual reality.
I bet his statement came as a shock to his neighbours. As post number 3 has quite rightly indicated it's quite clear Argentina want other countries to fight their battles. I give it six months before British Naval ships are docking in South America again.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The above article is clear, Argentina knows that it cannot get the Falklands by any other means apart from military action, it has finally dawned on them. I do not think any other country in the world will assist them in attacking the Falklands/UK Forces. As pointed out in above comments, what have any other countries to gain ?, do they want destroyed over an issue that really is of no importance to them ?. However I am of the opinion that Argentina is going to attack the Falklands before the Fernandez Presidency ends (2015), well she has stood up and said this and that, and she is in a corner, it is her only card left to play concerning getting the Falklands. I have no doubt UK forces will be ready, they will beat any attempt to invade the Islands, and if necessary destroy Argentinian military/support installations on the Argentine mainland.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I am correct (I hope I am wrong, do not want to see a war) Argentina will be absolutely humiliated again. A very stupid Woman.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0”If I am correct (I hope I am wrong, do not want to see a war) Argentina will be absolutely humiliated again. A very stupid Woman.” You are correct Mr mclayoscar, despite all the talk of defence cuts in the UK, the forces have simply become even better trained and equipped, while Argentine has staid in the same position. A war is unlikely though.
@6 Agreed Conor.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if CFK ramps up the “let's go to war” rhetoric, I doubt the people will support her in this action.
You can guarantee one thing with CFK, she won't do anything she thinks will be unpopular but trapped in her own fantasy bubble, who can be sure?
When questioned about the current location of the Argentine armed forces Mr Tagliatelli pointed to the corner of the room and said “he is over there”.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one can be sure really, the Falklands are so well protected that there is nothing Argentine can do about it, and this is the dilemma, all other political, social and economic measures have failed to “get the falklands for Argentine”, so the only real option to get them-the military option has also been ruled out, so who knows were the debate will go, as the status quo will probably go on forever.
Im not so sure about there not being a war, their window of oppurtunity is before the new UK carriers are ready. They wouldnt attempt it alone, i'm not convinced China would get overtly involved, maybe supply arms, but they may pursuade the likes of Venezuela and some other tin pot SA countries to take part. Not sure about Brazil either, I think they are the big unknown in this, but I can't see them sending their brand new and expensive navy into a war that has no benefit to them, just to keep a mad woman happy. I think when the Islanders carry out a free and democratic vote next year the momentum will begin drop away.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't fret .... 'Argentina was interested in exploring technological assistance to replace the country’s naval equipment which “is still mostly of British origin”. '
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0so at least 40 yo technology..... which they hope to replace with chinese 'knock offs' of old soviet technology.....
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah the Chinese have got bigger fish to fry- suppressing democracy and liberty in their country, denying Tibet self determination, attempts to either take Taiwan or watch it go up in flames, supporting dictators in Syria because he buys arms from them etc etc etc.
@8 - Beef
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very funny, you made me spit tea over my keyboard! LOL
I think the idea China would assist in anything other than offering military sales (cash up front of course) is preposterous. China is more concerned about selling widgets. I think their business with Europe would be considerably strained if they decided to dip their toe into the South Atlantic on behalf of a president who'd be overthrown the week after defeat
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0China has dozens of territorial claims already straining their foreign policy, maritime and island sovereignty issues with Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, and with just about each one of their neighbors. They don´t need another headache.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK was to bring its full military capability to bare on Latin America, it can destroy all of its navies and all of its airforces single handedly. Latin America would need around 3 to 4 times as many troops (and determined, willing to fight ones at that) to beat any British Force. I think I am about right concerning what I have written. Now any sensible potential Latin American British foe would give up any idea about attacking the British when faced with such a scenario. However all sense goes out of the window when the Falklands comes into the head of Cristina. I know many people are saying no war will happen, I am of the opinion that such a scenario cannot be ruled out. Again a very stupid woman.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 016
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can't bloody handle Iraq, but you think you can handle SA single handedly.
Get down of your ego, you are bloody worse than an Argentinian...
If you ever enter SA, the people will kick you out before you even state your business...
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't have Taranis at Mount Pleasent right now, wars don't get fought these days in the old ways.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 017
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me correct you.
In the event of Argentina and any of its “Allies” decided to attack the Falklands/UK Forces it would be a straight forward convential land sea and
air war and as stated in comment 16, that would be the case. The scenario in Iraq is different to that of the Falklands were British Forces can count on 100% support from the people there , also there would be no land invasion of Argentina or any of its “Allies”, it would be a simple case of the UK destroying Argentina/Argentinas Allies military and their military capacity to wage war against UK/Falklands, this believe or not can all be done from a military base in Scotland.
No need to set foot in Latin America whatsoever.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bla bla bla bla...
You sure talk a lot....
You talked a lot before invading Afghanistan as well (the Russians warned you).
You talked a lot before invading Iraq...
In SA you will find yourselves mishandling a total new situation.
You will be fighting the population, and you might come in. But you'll never get out again...
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr South America, who exactly is attacking you? Do you have a complex or something? I think you will find the context of the conversation being - if the Falklands were attacked 'again', what the most suitable response would be. You are deluded if you think we wouldn't be able to strategically strike any country participating in any such attack from the Falklands or from sea and it wouldn't involve one British soldier setting foot in South America.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Attack SA from the Falklands and you'll have a few islands less to worry about...
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me correct you again
Again no need to set foot in the Countries of Argentina or its Allies in the event of a War, why because no soldiers of the Countries of Argentina or its Allies are ever going to set foot in the Falklands again, if they attack again it will be a simple case of superior technology beating them, no troops geeting ashore, no jets over Falklands Airspace, no Navy ships reaching the Falklands. Now the only thing that can get the UK out of the Falklands is US Military Technology (their very best) and nothing else. For your information Argentina and its Allies are not going to be able to do anything with some cheap crap produced by the Chinese or Russians, should they buy it, better keeping the many your country is going to the dollars.
Again no need to set foot anywhere in Latin America.
Why do Argentine politicians delight in humiliating their voters? This translate to “We are so 'ard we are going to get someone else to beat you up”. They are like the weedy guy who hides behind the big guy whilst shouting his mouth off.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 I think they are planning an invasion, but they may not follow it through. Its hard to tell what the future holds.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0But they have nothing to lose, its the only way they will get the FI. Once the fighting starts they will have most of South America on their side, as they have promised to share the oil revenues. Also from a military persective it would make sence to take Ascension island first.
It would be Interesting to see what China does if it happens.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right, but the problem is Cristina has mouthed off and she will not back down because she will look stupid. She has put all her money on one hand, she will either be 1) the Hero/Herione who got the Falklands for Argentina or 2) another failed Argentinian Politicial dreamer whose acting performance was worse that that of Evita, she will be marching into history as either one of the two. Take it from me it will be number 2.
Well they can only attempt to do it with other nations armed forces, with all the infighting in SA, I just can't see them feeling that invested in the cause, it will come down to what they feel is in it for them, balanced with the risk of defeat. I just don't see it myself. Most latin american goverments are never far from collapse or coup, they are just not orchestrated enough to wage a war on a scale they have never done before against an advanced nuclear power.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Mrs birdbrain and her entourage can't get over their nazi expansioist past. Statements of give peace a chance (echos of peace in our time) and now looking to rearm for war.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina took one hell of a bloody nose last time yet continues to be beligerent. Take one step on the Falklands then be ready to reap the whirlwind.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong Britworker
I understand the idea is hard to comprehend, but the reason SA nations don't invade anyone is becuase we believe in our democracy, and not in your democrazy. That. plus the fact that we don't like killing women and children...
@27
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0'we don't like killing women and children...'
You just through them out of planes and let nature take it's course instead
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0No damian, we are spread all over the planet because we fought against those brit-gened bastards that killed their own people. What did you do to stop the injustices? What have you ever done to help anyone but yourself?
Read some history
@29
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0South American nations dont invade????? What happened in 1982 Guzz? Selective memory in abundance I see.
31 Mr Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0About you “democracy” It is a well known fact that Argentina and several other Latin American countries have had in the past State approved laws to execute its own people such as the Dirty War in Argentina. Please tell everybody of a similar case that relates to Britain.
Let us all know.
@ 29: “That. plus the fact that we don't like killing women and children...”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0tell that to all the indigenous peoples you colonised and killed to form your european-descended countries.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0A military dictatorship invaded you. As such, it was not elected by the people.
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Again, you take the actions of a military dictatorship, and blame the people.
The people FOUGHT the military, and should yours appear, we will fight them too.
”We must also underline the commitment from our Unasur brother-countries in support of Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands” which is part of the achievements in those pages of history and that”we have been chosen to write in the book of national independence”.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is the 'chosen one', the saviour of South America follow me and we will take you to the promised land...my arse, who does he think he is kidding. More rubbish by CFK and Co. They might get a few nods and handshakes from some allies and the Chinese defence dept of jokes, paid for with what? All the others gold and dollars? I dont think so because Argentina is broke, China knows it and so does the rest of us. The first shot fired in anger by Argentina or any of their misguided freinds would cause NATO tosit up and bash the shit out of them, for what, not for the Falkland Islands. If they want to share in any oil wealth, the best way is to shut up all about taking the Falklands and try and do business like most of the world does.
@35
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Military junta or no military junta, Argentina invaded with the overriding support of its people who were being murdered by said junta.
@35
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz you are a hypocrite and very deluded in your thinking. No-one in the UK is interested in invading South America, you really do have a complex about that, you need help. The closest involvement anyone in the UK has with South America is dinner at Chiquitos before they watch a film at the cinema. Don't confuse the defence of the Falklands and our people down there with your rhetoric about being invaded. You have seen that we will defend them and we will definitely do that again, other than that you are safe in your bed.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has far more basins with oil than the Falklands, so they will be getting oil regardless your outbursts...
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Lies, you don't know what you are talking about, you only say that because it sounds good in your ears...
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0To Argentina and its Allies leave the Falkland Islanders alone, respect their right of self determination (forget about sovereignity) and their will be no trouble, we can all do business and make money, does that not make sense.
Any military attack on the Falklands/UK Forces will result in the destruction of those who carry it out.
Guaranteed
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are the ones talking about a possible Argentine attack on the Falklands.
You are the ones sending militaries and equipment to the region.
You are the invasive nation.
You lie to the world, inventing excuses to invade sovereign nations.
You are the one with complexes.
@41
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0hehe, oh dear Guzz, you are losing it. Go and have a lie down before you have a funny turn.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Britworker, I'm not loosing it, I'm just exposing your truths.
The time where you could lie to the world and get away with it is long gone :)
@43
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, before we and many other countries invaded Afghanistan, the Taliban were stoning women to death in arenas full of people and throwing people off dive boards in pools without water. I know this probably sits well with throwing nuns out of planes, but can you not see that someone needed to do something about that.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then stop your hypocracy and do something about Saudi Arabia... No, wait, they are paying costumers...
@44
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0hey why dont you big man, we have done enough
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina was a peaceful nation who did not invade countries (i.e Falklands), or threaten and place economic sanctions on a very vulnerable people (Falklands again) then there would be no need for Britain to have a Military Garrison in the Falklands or Nuclear Subs/war ships etc in the South Atlantic. All this has been brought about by Argentina and their attempt to be a colonial power, Argentina (from it own lips) were going to invade Chile (its own Hispanic brothers) if they had had a successful conclusion to the Falklands War, which they did not. Now its no good saying that this Argentinian Government is different to the Junta, it is vindictive and nasty, (economic blockade on the Falklands for example) if it did have the military capacity to invade the Falklands it would and it would also ethnically cleanse the Islands of all the Falklanders if it could get away with it.
Not your people but your Governments are nasty and vindictive to anyone including its own people who do not sing from the same hymn sheet.
Argentina will never have the Falklands again, Britain means business.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have stolen enough, you mean :)
Nobody believes your sad excuses, the whole world questions your morals.
Your credebility is that of a pathalogical liar...
I agree, you have done enough.
@45 This may be somewhat off topic but I was interested as to what the word Guzz might mean so I typed it into Google and apparently it means 'anything that is cool'. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. Anyway back on topic... how are we the 'invasive' nation? We're not trying to take over a small group of islands which don't belong to us filled with people who don't want to be ruled by us. Now which nation is that? Oh yeah, Argentina. Do you know what it is that Argentina is doing? COLONIALISM. Britain was a colonialist nation once, but not any longer. Argentina is the one being colonialist now.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 049
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell that to the Iraquis and the Afghans...
“Again, you take the actions of a military dictatorship, and blame the people.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and none of those people were out protesting theinvasion were they? Or were the pictures of celebrations in the streets all fakes?
selective memory indeed.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm generous if I say 20 000 poeple were celebrating with Galtieri, that would mean 40M+ were not...
“I'm generous if I say 20 000 poeple were celebrating with Galtieri, that would mean 40M+ were not..”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0BS.
Not too mention that one of those celebrants was your current premier.
You hold ALL Birtish people responsible for their past, but you accept NO responsibility for your own.
How you expect anybody to take you seriously with such obvious double standards is beyond me.
I hold NO brits responsible for the past, I hold them responsible for the PRESENT.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't live in a dictatorship, you choose your PM's and their actions represents your votes.
By the way, I'm Uruguayan...
@52
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the rest of the Argentine people were opposed to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands were they?
You're so full of shit.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, they supported the ones of your choosing...
@56
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0?????
@55 Westy,
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's so chock full of shit, that its flowing out of his mouth.
35 Guff-speaking work-slacker
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it was the government who attacked, not the people, all argentines are innocent! You are such a putz!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit,
fuer das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben,
bruederlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit,
sind des Glueckes Unterpfand.
Blueh im Glanze dieses Glueckes,
bluehe deutsches Vaterland!
what's wrong? Can't handle your truths?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try sending 1 military into SA, you little coward rats...
This people would kick you so hard in your sorry arses, your laments would be regarded as the new bible...
“You don't live in a dictatorship, you choose your PM's and their actions represents your votes.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what does that say about the 54% of Argentines who voted for a batshit insane blob of plastic and her army of sycophants? Shouldn't they also be held responsible for her leading their country down the short path to self-destruction?
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed they should, should that be the case...
But regarding the fact that Argentina NEVER has been doing better than now, politically and economically, you will fing that they will embrace this responsability with pride...
Fear not people - there's not going to be a war.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although Argentines like to bang on about the Falklands I very much doubt their military has the aptitude to actually find the place.
@62, will they still proudly bear that responsibility when CFK drags their country into an unwinnable war against Britain again?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 020 million Argentines later backtracking and claiming to have never supported Little Miss Mental ever despite the televised street party in Plaza del Mayo?
Personally I think that's a more accurate prediction
The most precious thing for both a country and a person is integrity. Without that both are lost. The fascination of following these posts even though they go round and round in circles, is really in the disbelief at the compulsive lies and lack of integrity that comes from SA governments and if these posts are representative, from their people as well. I wouldn't trust any of em to give me the correct time. Argentina must be the only country in the world to welcome everyone at its borders with an enormous printed lie ' 'Las Malvinas Son Argentinas'. This an intentional false statement, something that deceives. = A LIE. They just cant help themselves and want to tell the world 'we are the worlds greatest Liars, look at this sign. All that see it know it is not and never will be true.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep it up Guzz, we shouldn't laugh at the afflicted but some of it is priceless.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come Brits, we've dealt with the yanquis already. I guess you have your shares of Dan Mitriones...
Say what you want, putting the poeple and the dictatorship in the same bag only shows your ignorance of what happened in Argentina in those days...
“putting the poeple and the dictatorship in the same bag only shows your ignorance of what happened in Argentina in those days...”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0And if a democratically elected leader follows essentially the same pattern and starts a second falklands war? What would that do if not remove the tired excuses about the war being the will of the dictatorship and not the people? You said yourself, the electorate should be held responsible for the actions of their elected leaders...
Guzz. So Argentina did'nt win the world cup in 1978. It was the team of a Dictatorship!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are the HMS ANdromeda and HMS Canberra still in service? They might be needed again to transfer squatters back to Rio Gallegos?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 068
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina stole the 1978 WC, just like England stole theirs back in 1966...
Guzz. Well you got that wrong surely the dictatorship stole the World cup. Argentina can't be held responsible for the actions of a dictatorship or has your argument just gone tits up.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#60
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Calm down !! You are safe in your bed. The big , bad British are not coming to get you. If, God forbid, a shooting war starts, it will be Argentina who starts it. The UK will reply with proportional minimum force to fend of any attempted invasion. There is no need to put any troops on Argentinian soil. If it got really serious, then your airfields and naval bases may be put out of action by long range missile strikes.
Maybe Argentina would like this as they could claim that the “sacred soil of S.A is being desecrated by these aggressive Gringos - rally to keep these colonialists from your territory” - or some like bullshit.
I agree with you, if we sent 1 “military” into Argentina, he would get his arse kicked. With odds of 40,000,000 to one, even our military could not win that one.
Using a rat as an analogy is not accurate, actually they are intelligent courageous animals. The British are cowards? An interesting thought.
Remind me, whose army surrendered at Goose Green despite having numerical superiority, whose army retreated all the way to Port Stanley and then surrendered, whose navy left the survivors of the Belgrano and fled to port. I will give you a clue, it was not the British.
Guzz, one of the things I find a little strange about your posts (as there are too many to take the time and list) is that you keep hiding behind the Argentine dictatorship line. The people didn't want that dictatorship and therefore Argentina is not responsible. Also, usually in the same post as you refuse to accept responsibility for Argentina's Government's actions, you condemn Britain for elimating dictators in the Middle East who would kill their own people, and dictators who didnt represent the people.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So on the one hand you claim dictators are bad and therefore Argentina relinquishes itself of all responsbility of its damage to Britain (1982) and then you condemn Britain for assisting people by removing their dictators.
It just appears to me that you evaluate any situation in a way that it benefits the actions of Argentina, even though it is on the same subject and by doing so is incredibly hypocritical.
Other than that, I don't feel the need to comment on your other inane ramblings, you just discredit yourself with your paranoia and far fetched rants.
Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Question for you given all of your postings on the motivation of the West and their military.
Instead of the 70s, Argentina has been from the start of 2010 ruled by a similar dictatorship. Thousands murdered (heard that up to 100K, to 30K and someone wrote a mere (MERE) 9K) and the civil population cannot do anything about.
Would it be acceptable to you for an outside nation (not the west) to invade the country (Venezuela, Brasil or Uruguay, whoever, collectively or whatever) to bring the slaughter to an end? - The question for any avoidance of doubt.
Be careful how you answer. If you say YES you will be crucified, if you say NO if will be slaughtered and if you ignore the question you will be hung by the posters on this site.
Come on SOLOMON. You are going to need all of your wisdom!
““putting the poeple and the dictatorship in the same bag only shows your ignorance of what happened in Argentina in those days...””
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, although it inst, that the German people dont ignore what happened in the 40s and blame it all on one person or dictatorship, they take a collective responsibility and teach so in their history.
SA could learn a lot from that, just as most British people with a wit of intelligence can recognise both the good and the bad in our very long history.
Of course in Argentina history starts when the British “Invaded” the Falklands... so they are off to a bad start already saying that nothing before that date existed or happened...
Surely if Argentines aren't culpable for the conflict in 1982 then Brits are not responsible for the colonisation of the Falklands over 200 years ago. Fair's fair.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a regional commitment?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK's *ss may be a regional comittment and going arround, but not the Falklands...
Oh dear. By reading Mr cum GUZZler, it seems to me that we really are on a one way path to war, which Argentina will definitely start.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is all because of some bullsh1t indoctrination that they implant on their youth.
I guarantee if their is a war, there will be significant losses either side and I can't see that 1,200 servicemen could easily repel a lot more Argentinian and its allied forces.
It will be a long battle and I just hope Adolf Kirchener sees this.
But of course the cum GUZZler will no doubt blame us for imperialism, colonialism, genocide, incompetence or some other bullsh1t insult.
14@ damian.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too right, China would not be come involved. Their eye is on the money and business.
3@ Leprechorn
I cannot think that neighbours want to share a bed with Argentina on these matters. Putridjelly is making bigger statements, next it'll be a 'world commitment', then 'universal'.
Britain will not start a war but it can and will prevail in at sea and in the air and on land and then it will prevail in the ICJ and perhaps CFK, Putridjelly and Hector Timberlake will be banished...... to South Georgia as they want it so much.
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Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing “big” about you folks...
Come on and invade. That will at least add another dish to our meat culture.
White arse on a plate, served with potatoes and garlic sauce...
73
Stop meddling in people's lifes and countries. It doesn't matter what and who you point out as dictators, nor if I agree with you or not. What counts is your sorry arses meddling.
75
We too blame ourselves for letting it happen, and that's why I can tell you; NUNCA MAS.
74
Saved you for the last.
The answer is simple, as your question requires your lies to be true.
The current Argentine administration has not killed civilians. Civilians may have died with them in duty, but so have people in Sweden, Britain, USA, Uruguay, Zimbabwe and Tadjikistan... not their fault either.
#17 your right we couldnt occupy argentina but we could smash your navy airforce and any invasion force without breaking a sweat.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like the last throw of the dice to me
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They've tried the UN, they won't talk to the islanders (and therefore the British refuse to talk to them) and they know they're fecked militarily so the only thing that they can do is pretend that they have support from either the Chinese or other LatAm countries.
I don't see Britain being too worried. If they did try and do something (I think it would be along the lines of a special forces operation) then its chances of success would be slim as I would be sure that dealing with such possibilities would be rehearsed. A few more planes ( anything coming to the end of its service life) wouldn't go amiss.
81
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay's navy airforce?
Heck, I could probably do it myself, don't get yourself too exited...
80 Guzz (COWARD fcuking COWARD)
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question is hypothetically based on the true events of the 70s. The question is very specific and you have avoided it and not answered. COWARD.
It is a difficult question that does need the wisdom of Solomon I grant but you have avoided it COWARD. Everything is black and white in your postings on the West, the sane world. MAKE THIS BLACK or WHITE or lose all credibility COWARD.
Guzz. you really need to reread 74 again. You have totally misunderstood the point. I appreciate english is not your native tongue but try reading it again more slowly.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 084
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hypothetical questions are bloody pointless... Fact is, your government is murdering women and children in the middle east.
Lets say, hypothetical, that that was not the case. In that case, you wouldn't have been the scrupleless child-murderers you are today, and we would be talking about the Olympics instead...
Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you ate full of sh!t.
When the Argentine government invaded the Falklands in 1982,!they did it because they knew it was the one thing that would unite the Argentine people. I remember all those people celebrating in the Plaza de Mayo, hundreds of thousands of them, and there were other 'celebrations' throughout Argentina. The Junta had never been more popular.
On the 14 June 1982, when argentine forces surrendered to the British, the Argentine people rioted, called the Junta cowards and DEMANDED that they continue the fighting.
So the Argentine people supported the invasion of Tthe Falklands, and are collectively responsible for it. But if course Argentines can't possibly accept the blame for anything, can they?
This story shows the deluded world that CFK and her government live in. All they can do is beg other countries for help and dream of something that will never happen. Their deluded hope that the Chinese will help them is ridiculous at best, but the Chinese won't do anything for nothing, and the cost to Argentina and by proxy to the rest of South America might be more than you are willing to pay.
Hey Guzz, if you are Uruguayan, why do you support Argentina without question? Especially as the Argentinans are currently screwing your country over?
Are you really Argentine? Or just a traitor to Uruguay?
85 Viva Las Falklands
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had to read your post twice to understand the hypothetical scenario you were creating
LEP
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't support Argentina unconditionally, I have my disagreements with them.
Most of them rooting on the fact that Argentines have a little brit in their bloodpool, and hence they tend to be arrogant, big-mouthed and very, very... british...
But that's a discussion I'll have with them...
@89 - Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why do you have a problem with the British? Britian has always had good relations with Uruguay.
So just what is your problem with the British?
Guzz, that is a total cop out to a perfectly logical question. You lost the argument. Surprised to see you obviously support the execution of women in Afghanistan by the Taliban. Or are you too much of a coward to stop it.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Coalition forces are in Afghanistan under a UN mandate. The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), often called the Coalition Forces, is a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan that was established by the United Nations Security Council in December 2001 by Resolution 1386.
Glad to see Argentina is keen to support UN mandates and resolutions.
89 GUZZ - FCUKING ARGENTINIAN COWARD
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your full of shit and a COWARD. We should send this one to Coventry (lets hang the cnut - see below).
He is another ARGENTINIAN with a BIG MOUTH who has BACKED HIMSELF into a CORNER. The answer is YES (I am not prepared to accept genocide and all of my hundreds of postings on the subject are RUBBISH) or NO (Sovereignty is everything no matter how many of people are BUTCHERED. Note: Hitler killed 6 million Jew civilians)
COWARD - FUKING COWARD
80 Guzz (COWARD fcuking COWARD)
The question is hypothetically based on the true events of the 70s. The question is very specific and you have avoided it and not answered. COWARD.
It is a difficult question that does need the wisdom of Solomon I grant but you have avoided it COWARD. Everything is black and white in your postings on the West, the sane world. MAKE THIS BLACK or WHITE or lose all credibility COWARD.
Guzz
Question for you given all of your postings on the motivation of the West and their military.
Instead of the 70s, Argentina has been from the start of 2010 ruled by a similar dictatorship. Thousands murdered (heard that up to 100K, to 30K and someone wrote a mere (MERE) 9K) and the civil population cannot do anything about.
Would it be acceptable to you for an outside nation (not the west) to invade the country (Venezuela, Brasil or Uruguay, whoever, collectively or whatever) to bring the slaughter to an end? - The question for any avoidance of doubt.
Be careful how you answer. If you say YES you will be crucified, if you say NO you will be slaughtered and if you ignore the question you will be hung by the posters on this site.
Come on SOLOMON. You are going to need all of your wisdom!
Guzz 52
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should read this article from one of YOUR OWN arg newspapers:
Buenos Aires Herald
Thursday, June 21, 2012
Argentina’s diplomatic circus
By Jimmy Burns
For the Herald
Cristina Fernández Kirchner told her countrymen back in February that they should not feel collectively responsible for the national debacle that surrounded the military invasion of the Malvinas/Falklands in 1982. She blamed the military and the Argentine media.
Those of us who lived through that war in Argentina — and I was there as I relate in my book The Land that lost its Heroes — know this to be a falsehood. With the exception of the then leader of the Radical party Raúl Alfonsín, some human rights activists, and individual journalists, no public figure in Argentine society —let alone Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and her late husband Néstor — spoke out against the military’s “glorious recovery” of Falklands/Las Malvinas at the time, even when it was clear that it was considered an illegal act by the UN and had the condemnation of the international community-notwithstanding the support offered to the Argentine junta by Cuba, Peru, and Gaddafi’s Libya...
Oops!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone is talking about war again? Nah!
Bad news boys seems Argentina will get stealth fighters before UK after all...
J-20
http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/J-20bank.jpg
“Argentina supports Beijing's claims in South China Sea: minister
The minister said several contracts were signed during his meeting with Guo Boxiong, vice chairman of the Central Military Commission and Liang Guanglie, the Chinese defense minister, on military cooperation. China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation and China North Industries Corp have also agreed to provide technical support for the development of CZ-11 helicopters. Puricelli also said Argentina is interested in purchasing the J-20, China's fifth-generation stealth fighter, which is still in its development phase.
To face the challenge of Britain's Royal Navy over the Falklands, Puricelli also said Argentina's navy will need to import advanced combat ships as he inspected a flotilla of PLA Navy ships in Shanghai.
China claims the islands and reefs of the South China Sea as the country's territory, though Beijing faces competing claims from Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei. The maritime region is believed to contain rich resources of oil and gas.”
Keep tuned coming next Nsubs and LRM
93
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...notwithstanding the support offered to the Argentine junta by Cuba, Peru, and Gaddafi’s Libya...”
That's a blatant lie! Outrageous attempt on re-writing history for your own purposes. The SA dictatorships had the support of the CIA, a fact they admit themselves. It is a part of your own history books, the ones written by the winners.
Ever lived in a dictatorship, Bagua?
You would soon find out that any outspoken words that might disagree with the forces in command, could be your last ones...
94
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If China is giving them away (how can Argentina pay?) we should get closer to them. I think a lot of the stealth technology comes out BAe Systems (formerly British Aerospace) and Cobham, another similar British defense technology company.
All advanced technology is generally stolen by China.
@94
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Danny that was the biggest load of bull but I pissed myself laughing! ha ha!
“All advanced technology is generally stolen by China.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very true yet the UK, France, Italy, Germany, USA, which had had weapons tech stolen and retrofitted by the Chinese do nothing, because you are a bunch of cowards who don't stand up to bigger countries than yourselves.
@94
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG. Dany i dont think you have been keeping up with current events, argentina is on verge of economic collapse, do you think the world bank is going to loan you money to buy stealth bombers. Your in cuckoo land as are most of your goverment. You are the 27th economy in world and that figure is set to go up not down. Get real!
Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're getting overexcited, take a deep breath, count to 10 and say 20 times “I will be calm.”
It has been estimated that aproximately 30% of the population wholeheartedly supported the 1982 invasion, 23% supported it with reservations, 17% had no opinion on the subject and 22% opposed it. This was published in an article about the invasion in 1984 in the Diario Río Negro.
The invasion was supported by the great majority of the politicians of the time, including Raúl Alfonsin who became president in 1983.
I state this to show that not ALL Argentines supported the invasion, but also to admit that a large part of the population DID support it.
98 TiT
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another Solomon.
Falklands aren't British
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will answer to your question as I see fit, as I don't try to rephrase your own question to my convenience.
Interference in another nation is something one should approach with care.
If you do it for the good reasons, for human reasons, it is good and a must.
You can also do it for your own reasons, to gain control in a region or for economic reasons. This is bad and sickening.
Most interferences are a combination of both, as you will need a just cause to convince the world today. This doesn't make the other aspect of the interference less sickening though.
So, yes, one should interfere. But one should do so with the interests of the liberated people first, not your own.
@101
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just simply call youselves chicken.
@98
Jul 10th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you seen the size of the UK. You will find the most of the countries we have stood up to in history have been bigger than us. Total bollocks from you as usual.
@98 - Tobias
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chinese steal from everyone who has a product or idea of value (guess Argentina's safe then), and then they reproduce 'exactly' the product they've stolen (even down to the trade mark), but they use cheap and inferior alloys and plastics, so it is never as good as the original. That's why China's military isn't such a threat despite its size, as it's weapons systems are cheap knockoffs.
Besides India is keeping a very close eye on China, as China is trying to steal their land. Indian's weapons systems are more than adequate enough to counter China, and China knows it.
But back to the thread, this is about Argentina's governments latest foray into the world of wishful thinking, but anyone with half a brain knows that no country on earth would be insane enough to fight Argentina's wars for them, unless they got to keep the prize (the Falklands) for themselves. I doubt that would fit into Argentina's little daydream, would it?
haha! Danys funny....
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as i said before the Z-11 is just a cheap knock off of a european helicopter developed the mid-70s. And the only countries buying chinese arms are very 3rd world.
@104
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not really...
France (equal)
Spain (smaller)
Germany in WWII (smaller, since you always had US aid flowing in lend-lease)
and all your other “enemies” have been neolithic island tribes scattered across the ocean, or loose confederations of tribes in North America, Australia, and Africa.
Mighty opponents!!
Argentina on the other hand has always fought bigger opponents
Spain (three times in home soil, then in Chile and Peru)
Britain (twice, the two invasions and 1982)
Portugal + Brazil (Cisplatine War in Uruguay)
Paraguay (which was bigger than us in the 1860 in population)
@17 I don't think you understand. Perhaps some basic figures. In 2003, the UK sent 45,000 personnel to Iraq. The current number of active personnel is 227,160. In addition, there are 174,800 reserves. Now go figure!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Who says we'd want to “get out again”? Surely you are accustomed to the concept of a “war of extermination”. After all, argies have conducted at least two. So, once we've exterminated the imperialist, colonialist, war-mongering sub-humans, what then? Prime farming land after we've chopped up all the corpses and bulldozed them in.
@22 And how do you feel about an argieland with only 10m survivors?
@29 Is that right? You don't “like” it, but you've never let that stop you “doing” it.
@31 Read lot's of history. Seem to recall Britain going to the aid of Portugal against the French. Then going to the aid of Spain against the French. Then in support of Poland against Germany. In that last, it might be useful if you remember that Hitler offered Britain a free hand in the rest of the world if Britain allowed him a free hand in Europe. We could have kept all we had and not lost a single British life!
@35 “The people” just supported the military. Every argie over 30 is responsible. As is every younger argie that continues the same lies.
@39 Basins. Used for washing 40 million pairs of bloody hands.
@41 You have to have a brain to have a “complex”. What's your excuse, brainless?
@43 But you lie every day!
@45 You first!
@48 Have to finish you off first!
@52 Liar!!!
@54 So you're a coward!!
@60 Big man.....not. Big mouth.....that's you. Big brain.....not. Little yapping puppies agt the heels of a psycopath.
@62 30% inflation!
@66 Still got bloody hands. Won't come off, will it? 40 million war criminals!
@80 Back at you! Think about it, bloody hands.
@83 Sonny, if I spit, you'll drown!
@86 Yeah. And we love it. We're just practising for you.
@89 I have a problem with argies and a number of urgies. They're alive!
Conqueror the flipper ball :)
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scored the jackpot, did you?
Here, have an extra ball... :)
@107
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your a bit confused there Mr TTT as you are forgetting the Russians, the Chinese and the americans themselves.
# 94 DanyBerger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/farnborough-lockheed-ready-to-deliver-uks-first-f-35-373942/
Lockheed Martin will deliver its first F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to an international customer on 19 July, with the UK to formally accept short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) test aircraft BK-1.
@102 - Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are British. It has a nice big Union flag flying over it. The UN recognises that the islands are a British Overseas Territory, and next year the Islanders (whose families have lived on the islands longer than Argentina has existed as an independent nation) will vote in a referendum under the auspices of the UN. Once that result is in, the world will be in no doubt as to who the Falkland Islands belong to: the people of the Falklands themselves, not to Argentina and not to Britain.
Those people will then choose their own future, whether to remain a BOT, join Argentina or whether to become an independent nation in their own right. I'll tell you now that Argentina won't get a look in, especially considering the behaviour of Argentina since 1982, belligerent and overtly aggressive.
Why is it that you are in favour of Argentine colonialism? A larger nation oppressing a smaller peaceful people? Is it because those people happen to prefer speaking the colonial language of English instead of the colonial language of Spanish?
By the way Guzz, you didn't answer my question, why do YOU hate the British so much? Just what have the British done to you, because Britain and Uruguay have historically always had good relations?
Only thing mighty with opressing other peoples freedom, is the hypocracy about it...
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0102 Guzz The bullshitting Fcuking HYPOCRITE
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you are all for the invasion of a sovereign nation if YOU (YOU) or SOMEONE ELSE (who agrees with YOU) takes the view that it is for 'good reasons' or for 'human reasons?'
You have to be prepared to KILL. I suspect that the defenders of the country are not going to be too happy. How many are YOU prepared to KILL? 1K, 10K, 100K or 1M? Too many die then you are the aggressor. What about your own soldiers?
'Should approach with care'. FCUKING HELL. You have been watching Doctor Strangelove too many times. The Sane world or the West are sending their citizens to die for 'CAVALIER' reasons and on a whim?
So the HUNDREDS of postings you have made about how bad the Sane world is for the military and other actions it has taken because you, arbitrarily, deem them not for 'human reasons' or 'good reasons' ?
You are not against invasions then as you have made out?
Your last paragraph,
So, yes, one should interfere. But one should do so with the interests of the liberated people first, not your own.
defines you as a NUMPTY rather than a SOLOMON.
Have you never heard the saying that 'One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist'?
The question is never BLACK or WHITE and never will be. It is a case of where you are sat and the general consensus. You talk shit and your posting are meant to be antagonistic and to avoid the issues.
@113 Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer my question! Or are you afraid to?
@107 - Tobias
Britain has NEVER had huge numbers of fighting forces, so in answer:
France - Army bigger than the British Army (we beat them in the Penninsula war and at Waterloo)
Germany - Army bigger than the British Army (beat them in WW1 & 2)
Russia - Army bigger than the British Army (beat them in the Crimea)
China - Army bigger than the British Army (beat them in the Opium Wars, and in Korea)
Spain - Army and Navy bigger than the British Army (beat them during the attempted Spanish invasion of England, and in many skirmishes since then).
USA - Army bigger than ours (beat them when they tried to invade Canada).
Quite often the British fought against larger armies and navies, and were sometimes victorious, sometimes not, and sometimes it was a sort of draw. Sometimes we fought along side allies, and sometimes we didn't.
However, because we are used to fighting against forces with larger numbers than we have, we have become very good at it.
Why in 1982 we fought against the Argentine army which had more men, better equipment and shorter supply lines than the British. Guess what Tobias, the British won.
So maybe it's not what you have, it what you do with it that's important. The British aren't afraid of China, as we've fought and defeated them in battle before. The Chinese will remember this very well, and unlike Argentina, the Chinese don't try to rewrite history to suit them, they just try to learn from it. And what did the Chinese learn from fighting the British? They learnt not to underestimate the determination of the enemy.
@Guzz - and all Malvinistas in general.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pathetic line “we did not support the Junta in 1982” is merely a sop to your consciences. You started a war of aggression that cost over a thousand lives. You lost that war.
The war had overwhelming public support in Argentina, it was only when the truth got out that the war was lost that support collapsed and the Junta lost authority.
If you had won, Glatieri would have been hailed as a hero to match with Pancho Villa or Che Guevra. You would have ethnically cleansed the islands and doubtlessly huge baying mobs would have gathered every year in BA to celebrate this fact at the anniversary of your triumph.
Galtieri's crimes may even have been swept under the carpet or ignored, like Stalins.
Blaming the Junta merely shows that you are ashamed of them leading you to defeat and nothing more.
It just proves the old saying “victory has many fathers, defeat is an orphan”,
You just don't want to be associated with failure.
Get used to that feeling.
We are'nt going anywhere or giving the islanders over to the like of you lot.
Buzz - Argentina never invaded the FALKLANDS ISLANDS in 1982? The ARGENTINE military dictatorship did! Are you deluded?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to clearly remember the hordes of ARGENTINE citizens surrounding the Casa Rosada and cheering Galtieri's appearance on the balcony when he announced the ARGENTINE invasion of the Falkland Islands.
You still believe Argentina is not to blame for that invasion? You ARE deluded!
But then Argentina always tries to blame others for its failures and mistakes BUT in this instance there is no-one else to blame.
F aren't B
Jul 10th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Human reasons are those we all agree upon, not mine or yours.
LEP
As soon as I'm on a computer, I'll answer.
Shb
The 30 000 dead Argentinians carved the path for the fall of the junta, not you folks...
118 Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well whose then?
and what happened to 'good reasons?'
You are shown again to be a complete numpty. When are you going to post something intelligent?
@94 The J-so is a “prototype”, brain-dead. Won't be operational until at least 2025.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@95 Of course it's true, numpty. Typical actions by dictatorships.
@98 Ever wondered why China isn't “ahead”? Could we be sending them down false paths? Will their stolen technology blow up in their faces? Or yours?
@102 Falklands ARE British. AND will remain so. So get your nasty little interfering noses out of the Falklands. Before we chop them off!
@103 And THAT'S why I refer to you as TiT. Get it? T i T.
@107 Lose most of your “wars”, don't you?
@109 Didn't think you had any balls. Oh, you don't!
@113 So the people of the Falkland Islands have freely chosen their method of governance. Even when a poll was carried out by argies. So you say “Only thing mighty with opressing other peoples freedom, is the hypocracy about it...” Go on. Justify argieland's oppression of the Falkland Islanders' freedom. and urgie support for that oppression. Don't bother with the argie territorial lies. They have been comprehensively REFUTED. Got anything NEW? I think I'll go with “Falklands are British” GUZZ - FCUKING ARGENTINIAN COWARD. Looking back through the history books, I suppose there was once a proud, free Oriental Republic of Uruguay. Now it's just the argie province of uruguay.
I am happy that Islanders wants to do a referendum. What the islanders should know, is that they can not be at the same time “judge and judged”.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is this too diicult to understand? Remember the British Nationality Act 1983, islanders are full british citizens. The referendum has unfortunately no value.
Islandes always talk about “self determination”, But it does not apply for them.
Also History is not on the islander´s side. British forces invaded the islands in 1833. It was not “res nullius” at all. They had to take out Arg. flag. It is important to say that France was the first owner of these islands, and then France recognized spanish souvereignity.
So I would say, it does not make sense to lie about history and the facts.
121 deutscher
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where have you been?
In a coma for the last thirty years?
Is this the first time you have read a posting?
Your arguments have only been considered and refuted about 5 millions times.
@122
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0answer with arguments, not offending. Why my post made you feel nervous??
@123 - deutscher
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly the post makes us bored as we have all been over this ground a million times, and it shows that Argentina hasn't got a leg to send on regarding sovereignty.
Secondly, the UN is overseeing the Falklands referendum, thus making the result legal in international law. International law is that thing that Argentina tries to pretend doesn't exist. Once that occurs, the Falklands will petition the UN to remove them from the decolonisation list, and Argentina will be told to STFU, by the rest of the world, who are also getting bored of your constant crying and begging.
Thirdly, the Falkland Islanders have lived on the islands longer than Argentina has existed, so if they don't have the right to self-determination, neither does any Argentinian.
Fourthly. Just what South Amerindian tribal language is deutscher? Oh that right, you're a colonising imperialist from Europe, aren't you?
Oh dear treaties treaties treaties.Has Argentina ever kept its word on any of them? I think the Welsh first minister should have a quiet word with Cameron about reclaiming Patagonia according to the treaty of 1865, unilaterally abrogated by the RG govt. OK though they still speak Welsh down there and though most of them are loyal Argie cityzens that of course doesnt matter and whether the present inhabitants like it or not they should be forced to be governed from Cardiff.Makes as much sense as Falklanders being sujects of Buenos Aires,no?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, you are an angry little Uruguayan aren't you, however let me assure you that unless Argentina invades our Falkland people again there will be no war down where you live. Now my intelligence service has assured me that Argentina does not have the capability's to invade anyone at the moment although through a slip of the tongue last week while I was speaking to the Mrs Ambassador Castro she did let slip that Argentina is thinking of annexing Uruguay, she seemed a little embarrassed about the slip of the tongue an pleaded with me not to say anything to the Argentina President or to Uruguay's President José Mujica. I of course could not stand by and let a Country like Argentina sneakily invade in the middle of the night its next door friends so I got right on the phone and told your country’s President what was going on.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was incandescent with rage and when he put out his spliff that he was smoking, he thanked me and put your small military on full alert.
Now Guzz there is no need to thank me for making sure that Argentina did not colonize your motherland, to me it’s all in a day’s work. I hope this puts your mind at rest as to our good intentions in that part of the world. As I said to your President we little country's must stick together an he assured me that if Argentina did in fact try to invade the Falkland's then your country would once more be on our side.
Dave
MercoPress comentator “El Think”: Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty claim is a regional commitment.....
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And as such it will cost the UK dearly to try to mantain that anachronic colony in the South Atlantic.
Is only a question of how much money the City businessmen are willing to lose....
@127 -think
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Argentinians live in a fantasy world. Who is going to fight for you?
Chile - er nope, why should they fight and die for Argentina?
Brazil - er nope, why should they fight and die for Argentina?
Every other country in South America hasn't got the military capacity or capability, and also why should they fight and die for Argentina?
Gonna offer them a 'treaty' are you? We all know exactly what Argentina thinks of treaties don't we? You abide by them until they become inconvenient then you break them. Just like your supposedly 'sacred' constitution, you just change it when it becomes politically expedient to do so.
No one with half a brain would trust the word of the Argentine government.
The British - or to dispense with the euphemisms, the English - are, above all else, a nation of highly practised thieves. The British Empire was the most spectacular exercise in armed robbery the world has ever seen, and it's still in action in a few shameful corners of the planet, most noteably in the Argentine Malvinas islands, where the English are busy raping the oil resources of coastal South America, one of the poorest regions of the world.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These people - the English - are not very nice, to put it mildly. They are exactly as you'd expect them to be, from reading the Daily Mail: a nation of thieving shopkeepers and thieving shoplifters. A nation of sad little thieves.
129 Banger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are absolutely right. If we all followed the examples of Argentina and its people what a wonderful world we would all live in.
Do you fancy a drive?
Any cliffs nearby?
No one has ever trusted the word of a british born. Those that did rued the day.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0129 ... And the Argentines ethnically cleansed the native south american population, raping and murdering to steal land and resources. This didn't stop recently the murdered 30,000 of there own population... Ps Argentina never owned the Falklands, but hey you know that already. Argentina land of humiliated looooosers, broke, devoid of standing in the world, run by a corrupt despotic leader. Troll on my friend
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0131 Hey Gabby
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think there is a contraction somewhere in your two statements.
Why do the Brits always bring up the issue of “standing in the world” about Argentina?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares about that? What the rest of the world thinks about Argentina is of nugatory consequence. No wonder you people don't enjoy life, always terrified of how others think of you.
134... Because this is what you strive for like an ignored child....it makes you bitter doesn't it..your views are not listened to and nobody cares ... It's human nature to want to be liked and unfortunately and sorry to break this to you everybody thinks rg land is a corrupt haphazard failing state. Jajajaja
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...raping the oil resources of coastal South America, one of the poorest regions of the world.”
Nothing to do with the fact that some of the poverty in South America is self-inflicted due to the corrupt regimes that operate in some countries I suppose.
When did the UK start “losing” people by throwing them alive from its aircraft over the Atlantic ocean? ..and of course the '82 conflict was an act of peace, I suppose
I guess Argentina would prefer to “rape” the oil reserves around The Falklands - or would they leave it in the ground for future generations to enjoy. What's your view on Argentine claims of sovereignty over S Georgia and the South sandwich Islands by the way?
134 Tit
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain what postings 129 & 131 meant in the context of 'standing in the world'. Also are these the only two Argentinians who 'don't enjoy life'.
Gabby, meant to say 'contradiction'. Read what you have written.
@135
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some may no doubt, especially in government. But those who have personal achievements of their own could care less. Those carry across borders. Most of you here lack personal achievement, as such latch on to the perceived “achievements” of your nation-state, of which none of you had absolutely anything to contribute to.
129... The invasion of the Falklands by Argentina was an act of colonialism, as is the claiming of south georgia and sandwich islands. Weve been thru this before the trolls never actually argue any of the historical evidence presented , they just change the subject or move articles. You can't argue with the truth and deep down they know that. Suppose it's a job though, and food parcels must be welcome.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0138 Tit
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you know these thing?
You are so wise.
138.... We can't accuse you of that , as no achievements to latch onto sob
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because as full grown adults none of you would act so childish if you really were college professionals or were in the midst of an acclivity curve towards great personal achievement.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz (80), you want Britain to stop meddling with other countries and I want Argentina to stop meddling and disrupting my country. You state that having a dictator the people don't want as a bad thing, and that is what the Falkland Islanders are trying to prevent. We don't to be governed by Argentina and we don't want the Argentine Government telling us what to do and taking our resources. Recognise this. Hypocrite.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0132 - cLOHO the cLOWN says: “And the Argentines ethnically cleansed the native south american population”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I live on the island of Tasmania, where the British completely wiped out the aboriginal population, one of the most complete genocides that any nation has ever achieved. But of course, that was the bad old days.
And these are the bad new days. Where the British still refuse to recognise that rich, powerful northern hemisphere nations screwing the life out of impoverished Southern hemisphere nations is not actually a “good look”. To describe Britain's strategies in the South Atrlantic as “un-PC” is a fairly extreme understatement. The British are looking uglier now than they've looked since the darkest days of Empire. Everybody hates you, but you still don't realise this. And everybody hates you because you are still hell-bent on blatantly immoral exploitation of people who can't fight back. Blatant theft of resources, blatant spitting on regional rights and sensitivities, many thousands of kms from your own safe northern hemisphere bunker.
@144
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Car, So your an australian then? Not an aboriginal?
142... And where do you place yourself in your curve towards personal acheivement, are we going to get into school ground boasting, ok will start it off Chartered civil engineer with world leading civil engineers interested in Falklands issues since a boy when I saw the British army , and navy soundly beat Argentina.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@145
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He just said, the British ANNIHILATED the Tasmanians. Only officialy recorded time in Earth History when one group purposefully brought another to extinction. Congragulations, Britain!
I'm an Australian of Ukrainian/English descent. And my English mother was in full agreement with me in regard to the ugliness of British imperialism, past and present.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@146
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm Argentine. Good enough?
142 Tit
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see where you get your wisdom from. Brilliant deduction you have made to determine your conclusions early expressed. Sherlock would be jealous.
I can why Argentina is a world leader on just about everything. You clearly must belong to a caring and knowledgeable society.
Worries me a bit that not one of your Universities are in the top ten in Latin America.
144... Really so post the documented evidence of the aboriginals being ethnically clemsed by the British. It was european disease that killed the natives in tasmania but you would know that if you actually lived in australia. So lies again my troll friends, problem with lies is that you get found out. So stop fibbing
Jul 10th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@150
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, what is this obsession with rankings? So childish, its like I'm dealing with 4th graders who base everything on who's got the biggest skateboard.
@148
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well much like the Argentines' you have yourself in a dilemma, you currently reside upon lands conquered by us British and as a result of being of British/european decent you have no right to complain about colonialism while you reside on “stolen lands”, do you? The noble thing for you is to pack up and come home to Europe were you belong.
144... Why do Australians still vote to keep the queen as head of state?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@151
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0two second search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War
Ah, cLOHO the cLown is a Holocaust denier. Why am I not surprised?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@121 Your brain is already dead. Should we continue to the rest?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@127 More than your cuntry will have in the next thousand years.
@129 Wasn't there a little dwarf prat that called Britain “a nation of shopkeepers”? Wasn't the little slug's name “Napoli” or something like that? Didn't he snuff it on St Helena? In British custody. Wasn't he Corsican? A sort of Franco-Italian half-breed. Perhaps a demonstration that it may not be best to open one's mouth? You might “think” about that. If you have anything with which to think.
@131 Gabriela Sabatini. An Italian name, I perceive. Italians. One forward gear and five reverse. Wide open permissive sluts, thus Wops. And the guys! Better known as the bend-over boys.
@134 You care. Always running around the world trying to get others to “support” you. Telling your lies. Rewriting the history. “We didn't invade the Falklands in 1982, it was the junta.” What all 66,000 of them? There are still 40 million argie war criminals to be executed. When will that start? The best method is the garotte. I want to see 40 million garotted argies!
156... Just post some evidence of your made up murdering of the Tasmanian population.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0152 Tit
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just complemented you TiT on your incredibly brilliant skills of deduction. Just a simple concern expressed about what is going wrong in your Universities.
This man and TMBOA will encourage their neighbours to fight on their behalf to the last drop of their blood.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0148 Banger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From transported stock then?
Explains it.
@159
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I learned languages by using one book and a television feed. You don't need any university if you are motivated enough to learn.
162 TiT
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You truly are my fcuking hero.
Car Hi Tassie! When are your lot going to declare your independence from those brutal imperialists up north in Canberra,Sydney and Melbourne? Of course mdam Julia wouldnt like that. You are of course just an island off the Australian continetal shelf and therefore have no right to determine your own future. You too have had your own problems as I recall. All those innocent people murdered by a mad man at Port Arthur not so long ago?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0153 - My aboriginal friends have no problem with me living here. I'm very much a post-colonial presence. But the Britons currently squatting on the Malvinas are, by their own admission (and the obvious practical circumstances of their occupation) a colonial presence. And a very unwelcome colonial presence in the region.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The simplest solution would be for a principled British government to pay them a handsome sum to return to Blighty, and then to hand the islands back to their popst-colonial owner, i.e, Argentina. But a principled British government has probably always been a contradiction in terms.
164 redpoll
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Banger is a little economic refugee. An imported Tasmanian Devil from one of the many slums of BA.
I just love how everyone else on the planet loves insulting and belittling everything about Argentina: the culture, the economy, politics, people, women, cities, countryside, food, meat, crops, parks, music. In the last 24 hours I have heard it all, basically absolutely nothing of worth.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep it up guys, it reminds me how deep the argie stick of thorns is up the world's arse.
@165
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't really thought this through have you? “I'm very much a post-colonial presence.” post colonial would be no implanted people whats so ever, you speak English because of Britain, you are Australian because of Britain, you can hate us all you like but without Britain there would be no Australia or Mr Car.
“The simplest solution would be for a principled British government to pay them a handsome sum to return to Blighty, and then to hand the islands back to their popst-colonial owner, i.e, Argentina. But a principled British government has probably always been a contradiction in terms.” The right of self determination was allowed for Australia in the 1930's when she became independent why can't it apply to the Falklands Islanders who have been in existence longer then Argentine?
167 Tit
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a moaning bitch aren't you. Go and watch TV. Do some studying.
164 - redpoll cryptically remarks: “You are of course just an island off the Australian continetal shelf and therefore have no right to determine your own future.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Huh? We here in Tasmania are Australian citizens. We have no problem with that at all.
If the Malvinas were returned to Argentina, the inhabitants would be, as one would expect, Argentinian citizens. But you British like to pretend that your colonists are somehow “not British citizens”, but a seperate, special “people”, and therefore require a vote of “self determination”. So when they decide - ooh, surprise! - that they are actually British after all, you can say: “Hey look everyone, these Falkland people have decided they're British!”
But we already know they're British. They're an artificially maintained British colony many thousands of kms away from home. But the more important question is: Is there really any rational justification for an artificially-maintained British colony in the South Atlantic, off the coast of Argentina, on islands and waters understandably claimed by that country? Or is is just a matter of traditional British imperial greed?
Purcell is a most entertaining idiot, as defence minister he is virtually a minister without portfolio.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He gets more upset about Brit Gov statements than TinPotMan.
Every time he goes into one I just have to laugh at the rubbish he talks, with such conviction.
I particularly liked his recent comments in China about HK being a model to follow in “the dialogue we are expecting to have on Malvinas on a near future”.
Perhaps he is planning to talk to Peter Pan about it on his next trip to never never land.
@ 153 Conor
No please we don’t want him back here, we had to chain up that type of idiot to deport them in the first place.
Abos can have him.
@165 Car
The Islands have never been legally Argentinian in the first place, and post-colonial or not, you are still the genetic descendant of the Abo killers who stole their land, not us.
The South Atlantic was uninhabited when the British first arrived, the British have more right to be there than modern Argys have to be in Argentina, or you have to be in Tasmania.
170 Banger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not Argentinian. You a slum dwelling plant spouting the usual drivel exposed by your slum dwelling friends day in and day out.
There are no Australians as ignorant or stupid as you or would come out with the crap you do. 'CURRENTLY' squatting. Yeah, for the last 180 years.
@124, UN overseeing the referendum? Please do not lie! Always lying.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN has already stated that the dispute is between two parties, not islanders.
@157, dear HMS conqueror. Why do you feel nervous? Because you can not answer me? You are a fanatic british, It is not good to be fanatic. You are like a “menonita”. The time of Macbride, Elizabeth, Anson, is over.
So, do not lie and tell the other islander to do the same.
I am happy for the referendum. Remember you can't be “judge and judged”. Can chileans and Argentines on the islands vote in this referendum? Or only the 100% blood and bone british??
@ 164 He should repatriate himself to Ukraine. He lives with his Tasmanian aboriginal nieghbours? Didnt I see the naughty Brits had exterminated them in a previous post? Of course the falklanders exterminated all the previous inhabitants of the islands on which they have lived . Just one small problem When they arrived there were NO inhabitants to exterminate unlike thier nieghbours on the adjoining(?) continent
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh, I was talking about lies and I have detected two:
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lie # 1 @ 171. The islands were under argentinian administration until british forces invaded them in 1833. Before that time the islands were under argentine administration since 1820 and even before under spanish administration from 1770 to 1811.
Lie # 2 @ 174. The islands were habitated when british forces took the islands by force in 1833. Also when Macbride went for the first time in 1766, the islands were been habitated by french fishers in port Louis.
I ask all fanatic islanders not to tell lies and confusing people from other parts of the world (for ex. Tasmanian), who are interested in this story.
171 says: “The Islands have never been legally Argentinian in the first place, and post-colonial or not, you are still the genetic descendant of the Abo killers who stole their land, not us. The South Atlantic was uninhabited when the British first arrived, the British have more right to be there than modern Argys have to be in Argentina, or you have to be in Tasmania.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legalism is neither here nor there, I prefer to talk ethics.
Genetic descendance is ethically meaningless in this context (and I wasn't actually born in Australia - I'm a migrant).
As for the present situation in the South Atlantic, the Argentinians are actually a very large, self-supporting population constituted as a nation, and have been for a long time. You, however, are a British colony occupying important coastal resources in this Southern hemisphere region, by force of arms, far from your actual home (which is already a rich, powerful nation), for the purposes of British exploitation of those distant resources, which are very much needed by the impoverished peoples of the South American continent. How can you justify this, except by quoting the quote of your hero, Mrs Thatcher: “GREED IS GOOD?”
Everyone else on the planet hates Argentina? But, but..... what about all their buddies that are going to fight their battles for them?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you just hate yourself, TTT, and the world. You are envious and bitter about pretty much everything...for one so young that is a shame. And a good excuse not to do anything productive with your life.
173 Deutschland
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you discovered a new English word? 'Nervous' Everyone is 'Nervous'.
Please do not lie. Is that addressed to all of your Argy mates as well?
Fanatic? KFC, Titman and their cohorts mightbe considered fanatically. Going to Angola and China to spout out on THE BRITISH FALKLANDS.
What do you mean by 'judge and judged'?
The Chileans (many) descendants and Argentinians (few) descendants can all vote on the referendum as the British DESCENDANTS and the Australian and the New Zealanders and so on.
@177
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct, you would be a good example. On any topic discussed, you comment how Argentina is the worse at the particular topic.
For one so travelled, your envy and bitterness is a shame.
@178 -maybe I have discovered a new word. It is not easy for me to speak well four languages. I feel sorry for that. Excused me.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not like CFK and timerman, but they are claiming what is theirs.
judge and judged: There are two parties in this dispute: Arg and UK.
Islanders belong to UK. So, Islanders can not solve the issue, because they belong to UK. So difficult?
I love how it is Elaine and her side who imprecate vermin and speak ills of Argentina non-stop, and call others bitter. LOL>
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@178 Deutschmann hasnt read the last census of the Falklands population and where they originated from. BTW didnt Admiral Graf von Spee (incidentally a man I admire) lose the Battle of the Falklands in 1914? So whats he on about?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0180 Deutschland
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're excused. Now FCUK OFF until you can come back with something interesting. The shite you are posting is no different to the usual shite your mates endless post.
Mr Car
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Or is is just a matter of traditional British imperial greed? It was British imperial greed that created your beloved Australia in the first place, so I wouldn't complain if I were you.
You point accusations of colonialism, occupation, while failing to provide any evidence for the Falklands, being a protected by arms, artificial colony taking someones resources.
So first of all to your claims they aren't a colony as they are entirely self governing.
”Strength of arm's?” if your not aware their was an illegal invasion in 1982, and as a result security has been beefed up a little.
Please provide actual evidence in the future for your claims.
Guzz is NOT a Uruguayan. He's a clever Argentine troll who is amusing to most but manages to get a few lesser intellects inflamed. Don't take the bait!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0185 ynsere
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what are you?
ynsere
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again...
You can't tell what party your ruling President belongs.
You can't tell me the author of “el sapito Manuel”.
you can't tell me what “Araca la cana” means.
All questions any Uruguayan could answer and nobody could google...
By the way, your only contribution to these threads are your hysterical outbursts of me not being who I am... You never get tired?
184: “...while failing to provide any evidence for the Falklands, being a protected by arms, artificial colony taking someones resources.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Business Insider tells us:
”McSmith reports that the military in the area will cost the UK £61 million ($96 million) in 2012-13, which is expected to increase by £2 million ($3.14 million) each year....
...this works out at over £20,000 per each British citizen on the islands“
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-14/europe/31057552_1_defense-budget-uk-falklands
The oil reserves in the region that Britain and its tiny handful of colonists are claiming as their own, amount to an estimated: 60 billion barrels, with the current price being around $100 per barrel -
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-14/europe/31057552_1_defense-budget-uk-falklands
....and ”The Falklands' government will receive 26 per cent of the profits from companies drilling for oil, as well as nine per cent royalties on every barrel sold. Many islanders will also be cashing in personally after investing in the companies searching for oil.”
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-14/europe/31057552_1_defense-budget-uk-falklands
188 Banger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More of the same from an Argentinian, slum dwelling troll.
Guzz, everyone knows what you are in addition to being Argentinian.
@ 175 Jerry(ersatz Argy)
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1833 the British recovered the Island after the Argentine military invaded in 1832.
The “Argentine Administration” was in fact an illegal occupation.
The settlement established in 1828 was with the permission of the British. Hence the Settlers were encouraged to stay in 1833 (which 29 out of 32 did) when the illegal Argentine military occupation was removed by the returning British.
The Spanish did not buy their claim to the islands from the French until 1766, before that they didn’t even know where they were, the French had to tell them.
You don’t have to believe us about this, it is well documented in French history.
When the British discovered the Islands in 1592, and then landed on them in 1690, the Islands were definitely uninhabited.
The truth is Argentina has been no more successful in taking that British territory than the Spanish, Dutch or French were before them.
You seem to forget that it is not just the British version of history that completely contradicts the Argentinian fiction.
@176 Car
Ethically speaking, whether planter or settler, your still the one living on the now extinct Abos land not me.
As for the S Atlantic, read the above.
BTW are you related to SussieUS by any chance! You speak the same rubbish.
@181 TTT “imprecate vermin” Isnt just that what your former military masters tried to do to the kelpers back in 1982? no we dont hate Argentines, just their governments. Argentina is a beautiful country and has so much going for it, but why cant you adapt a less belligerent attitude? Its so silly. However I look forward to the next episode of the cat fight that took place in Mendoza last week between Cristina and Dilma.Would make a good TV drama worth watching
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0189
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call me Argetinian, call me Bolivian. With pride I'm Chilean, as I am Brazilian. The Venezuelan flag is Venezuelan and mine, Ecuadors land my land...
Call me what you want, just don't call me a brit...
188
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are your YouTube videos ?
92 Guzz
Jul 10th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We just prefer 'Cowardly Argentinian Troll'. If this is OK with you.
190: “Ethically speaking, whether planter or settler, your still the one living on the now extinct Abos land not me.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but me living on land that other people lived on before other people wiped them out is ethically blameless.
You are a rich person from far away who has decided to live in waters whose resources could greatly benefit the very large numbers of poor people who live in that region, but because you are British, you see it as your right to screw them and steal their wealth, even though you don't actually need it. You are not a nice man. But I think you know that.
194
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever makes you sleep, F aren't B.
In any case, a coward argentinian troll is a better man than a brit in every sentence of the word...
Well guzz its a relief to find you dont come from my country
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0197
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know where you are from, redpoll, but something tells me I should be glad not sharing your genepool...
It's been an interesting visit, which has very much confirmed what I suspected: the inhabitants of the “Falklands” are a bunch of the worst kind of British imperialist psychopaths, dutifully supported by the habitually and drearily imperialist British government & public. What they don't seem to realise is that the rest of the world are starting to see them clearly for what they are. If these British crimes end up resulting in another “Falklands War”, it will be one that will see the demise of the UK itself, and not before time.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The feeling is mutual. I am not a cururu that sits under lamp posts in Salto lapping up dead flies at night
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0195 Banger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'you are not a nice man'. How many, hand on heart, could imagine an Aussie making a statement like that?
196 Cowardly Argentinian Troll
Settled then. Guzz now wants to be known as 'Cowardly Argentinian Troll' going forward. Can we please oblige him?
@199 Car
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now thats not nice, but I think you know that.
Off to exploit some more natives are we, don't hurry back.
Car 176 and 195
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The resources of the Falklands area belong to the Falklands not to the UK. And Falkland Islanders can and do dispose of their resources for the benefit of their country.
In the case of fisheries, fishing fleets pay the Falklands Government for licenses to operate in the area, plus relevant taxes, all money going to the Falklands Government, not the UK government. And the fishing fleets operating in the area are mostly Spanish and Asian, not British.
In the case of oil and gas, nobody is exploiting anything as the industry is still at the exploration and discovery stage. Oil companies pay the Falklands Government, not the UK government, for licenses to find and extract the oil, plus taxes and royalties.
If South American countries in the region want to benefit from Falklands' resources they can do what everyone already operating in the Falklands' area does. They can pay the Falklands for licenses to operate in the area. Or buy the extracted resources from the companies that put them on the market. Which is no different from what happens between one South American country and another. They don't give each other their resources for free.
@195 -Car
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders have lived on the Falklands longer than Argentina has existed as an independent country.
Remember the Spanish wiped out entire cultures and civilisations in South America, and after gaining their independence the Argentinians continued to eradicate the native South Americans, and the black African slaves, rather than freeing them.
In comparison the settlers on the Falklands (only a few were actually British) didn't kill anyone. The British didn't expel anyone except an illegal and failed military penal colony belonging to the United Provinces of the River Plate, who had already mutinied, murdered their commanding officer, raped his wife in front of their children and were running amok threatening the actual colonists.
So in your opinion why is Spanish colonialism okay, but British colonialism isn't?
Typical, blame everything bad that happened in the world on the British (not English, British, as in British Empire). Don't accept any responibility for the actions of your own ancestors, Mr (my mother is English so I am an independent observer) Car. Pathetic, really pathetic. Well I'm English, and I'm not to blame for what people who are long dead did to other people who are also long dead. I accept it happened but neither I or any other living English person is responsible, no more than the Italians are responsible for the massacres the Romans did, or the Swedish, Norwegians and Danish are responsible for what the Vikings did, or Argentinians are responsible for the genocide committed during the Conquest of the Desert.
If you feel so badly about colonialism then leave Tasmania to the natives and return to your country of origin. HIPOCRITE.
199 Banger
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On your way then. 'where else can they put you'
http://www.argentinaindependent.com/tag/rubbish/
I can't imagine anyone other than an Argentine, CFKC supporter would defend their disasterous government policies that have ruined their economy once again. Seriously. I wonder why it is that CFKC supporters need to pretend to be from countries other than Argentina?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT, you are a little confused. I don't criticise Argentina at every turn. If you had paid attention you would know that my posts are anti-CFKC. Other than that I counter your outrageous claims, but that is just for sport.
Leprecorn
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent post Congrats
Yes, but me living on land that other people lived on before other people wiped them out is ethically blameless.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You living on and benefiting from land stolen from aborigines is ethically blameless?
204 says, in agreement with Car: “Well I'm English, and I'm not to blame for what people who are long dead did to other people who are also long dead”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fine, but unlike you, I'm not talking about what people who are long dead did or didn't do. I'm talking about what a handful of British colonists (supported by the might of the Empire and its profiteers) occupying a couple of South American islands, are doing RIGHT NOW. Which is stealing the resources of a region populated by vast numbers of impoverished people.
You don't think those occupying the Malvinas are “British colonists”? Well they certainly do. “We are British and are determined to remain British!” is their mantra. They'll be holding a referundum soon, to make that crystal clear.
But as I said above - “We already know they're British. They're an artificially maintained British colony many thousands of kms away from home. But the more important question is: Is there really any rational justification for an artificially-maintained British colony in the South Atlantic, off the coast of Argentina, on islands and waters understandably claimed by that country? Or is is just a matter of traditional British imperial greed?”
Conquest and killing have been a part of human history, throughout history.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In history no one is innocent or they would not be here today.
The difference is that British/Spanish colonialism are things of the past, like the Roman Empire.
What “Skippy the Abo Killer” is advocating here, is Argentinian colonialism in the present day.
And he talks of ethics!
@209
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you ar forgetting is that some of the people in the islands can trace their families back 7 or 8 generations to the 1833 settlers. Therefore, how is it fair that those people be removed from the only home they have ever known and be forcefully return to alien nation because of what some dead people in 1833 did (or did not do- based on what hisotrical opinion, you take).
Remember there was no native population of the Falklands and in 1833 the islands were over 1,000 miles from the nearest land owned by the Province of the Rio de la Plata (Patagonia was not part of Argentina untill the 1870s).
I agree with you that British imperialism has been responsible for a lot of pain but so has the French empire, the Roman empire, the Spainish empire and countless other countries. but, all these empires have also brought much to the world (infrastructure, law, democracy and government, althougth I agree this may not of been enjoyed by those living directly under Imperiasm but by their descendents).
The question is: Where do we go from here? Surely the answer is that all people of the world have a right to decide their own futures in what ever way they wish (providing it lies within international law). In fact 1945 when the UN was established the land borders were set to establish a bench mark in history with regard to ownership. After all if we want to decide that the bench mark should be further back in time then how do we decide when? 1833- Provinces de la Rio Plata Occupies FI/IM, Britiain occupies Canada, Australia etc etc? 1700 -Spain still occupies most of South America, France occupies most of Carribian, UK occupies Eastern coast of US? 1066? Britain occupies North of France, Moors occupy most of Southern Spain? Germany is not united and should be returned to individual tribes? 0 bc? No one owns or accupies anything? Im sure you get the point. The point is no living person should suffer what their ancestors did and as such are afforded all human rights.
ANTEOJITO the COYPU killer you mean.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you Argies think that anyone in the UK is interested in you other than with regard to the issue of the Falklands? Also, how many of you are using multiple Mercopress accounts now? My info is that many of you are now doubling and even tripling up on accounts. What's the matter? Don't enough Argies actually care about the issue to come on here and express themselves?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How may accounts are you using TIT? Or is that Tobias? Or perhaps Guzz?
Chuckle chuckle.
211 suggests: ”Surely the answer is that all people of the world have a right to decide their own futures in what ever way they wish (providing it lies within international law).“
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fine by me. If this handful of colonists are determined to be British, they're perfectly free to return to Britain and be as British as they like.
If on the other hand, they want to remain down the bottom of the southern hemisphere, off the coast of South America, and exploit very bountiful South American oil resources without sharing them with the impoverished inhabitants of South America, that's a no-no, because it's very obviously a matter of imperialist theft.
We've had centuries of rich, powerful Northern hemisphere nations plundering the resources of poor, less developed Southern hemisphere nations. The irony here is that even the government of the UK officially agrees that this has got to stop, that the wealthy nations need to foster development in the underprivileged nations with a view to a more equitable sharing of resources. This is especially true when we're talking resources that are actually located in the regions of those developing nations.
But in Britain's policy in the Malvinas, we are seeing the most blatant rejection of this more enlightened attitude. We are seeing the old imperialist exploitation at its most classic worst. Much-needed South American resources are earmarked for British coffers with the ”tax” going to a tiny handful of British occupiers of the local islands. This is surely unethical enough to be regarded as a crime against humanity.
redpoll
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite funny post you managed there...
I assume you are Uruguayan after all, even if a pink one dreaming of the color of the zucara...
Argentina did not attack militarily back to the Falklands, that does not happen again. No need to do the action to be taken is simple and in that way we going. Total blockade of the islands, while you make your silly referendum from here will be prevented from flying to LAN. Then any cruise ship, boat, or whatever that addresses these islands can sail our waters. This is simple not need weapons to force a negotiation. Because like it or not, we will always change here in UK do not know if that in some years the country continues to exist, LIVE FREE SCOTLAND ..
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0216
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The rules of Mercopress clearly state that posts must be in English.
214
Jul 10th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“without sharing them with the impoverished inhabitants of South America”
You realise south america isn't poor due to lack of resources, right? Argentina has MASSIVE oilfields and the whole continent is basically swimming in mineral wealth. SA's poverty is due to chronic mismanagement of industry and constant flirtation with dictatorships who nick all that wealth for themselves giving their own people the shaft.
Your “it's a crime against humanity that we haven't forcibly evicted the falkland islanders from their home” schtick is so far into bizarro world that it's almost funny.
The referendum is the most complete proof that they are a COLOGNE. Because it will ask if they want to be “English” instead of asking if they want to be a sovereign country! If you are “English” for you Back to “England”.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Javie @216
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can I have that in Gaelic please? For your info your last exhortation should be “ soar Alba go bragh” No matter
Guzz
Delighted to cross swords with you. Nice to see a frentista who has some capability of expressing himself
Car: Ifyou are so concerned about rights why dont you go back to Ukraine and defend your ex premier Yulia imprisoned on put up political charges?
Can the Argie and Malvanistas stop talking and actually do something. Boring shits the lot of you. Grow a spine and roll the dice.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0219
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good work. Much better when you concentrate and remember everything you were taught in your English lessons.
So now that I can actually understand what the hell you are saying, you are wrong. The referendum won't ask us if we want to be English.
Beef
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whole SA is rocking the boat, all while you sit there in your austerity waiting for an excuse to attack :)
Won't get any from here, all you are getting is some well deserved truths
My bad English and my good point about the issue is not to get so offensive my friend. The referendum on the subject is expressing and now can not get with any other excuse. Were asked if they wish to remain British and you say yes! Then confirm the status of colony, as we come to the United Nations denouncing.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was only posted today,
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And already its got to 222,
No point in participating, Mercopress will cut it of soon,
So before we go, perhaps a few answers from the headlines .
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Defence minister Puricelli: Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty claim is a regional commitment
[fully agree, your mates, our mates,
Your region, our region ,
We win, you lose [again]
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Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli said “the independence of the Argentines is the independence of the region”,**
[ either he thinks the whole region belongs to argentine influence and power]
Or he still thinks the region is still a colony,][stupid fool]
the defence of Argentina is also the defence of the region and in this framework of integration Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Malvinas Islands is a regional commitment.
[in one word, Democracy]
That makes it a world commitment,
Again you just lost, silly CFK supporters.
Now see this blog reach 300 .
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224
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We want to remain British and we're proud of it. Do with that as you will but please stop moaning like babies; you're embarrassing yourselves.
And don't be so sensitive!
Chuckle chuckle.
redpoll
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a son of the dictatorship, like so many others, so just choose your language.
Nice to know you too, we've been away a while, but I can assure you we didn't waste our time...
Guzz - i don't mean (or expect) any military intervention from anyone. But why has Argentina or the rest of the so called supporters not actually done anything. No sanctions, no effective ban on transport or shipping (FI registered ship currently in Uruguay), no legal challenge. Nothing but pointless and toothless words.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Complete waste of time and sitting back telling Argentina to piss off is all we need to do.
I love austerity. Creates innovation and a drive for individual excellence.
@214 I'd love to ask why you are one of only a handful of Aussies that hate British people. Australia and UK have some of the best relations out of any other countries, and I for one am proud of being linked with Australia as the people are nice, and you are just like us with a slightly different accent, and living style. I am also proud of our history, even if we did kill a few dozen million people, sadly. Oh well stuff like that happened then, it's not really important. What is important is that our country has brought more positives than negatives to the world. We managed to educate hundreds of millions of people, teach them how to read and continue the idea that the Romans showed us, which was to take over, find new resources, teach them in exchange for it, which we did, and then granted them independence for their efforts in WW2, and the fact that we were friendly with them. So Car, I really think you should reconsider your opinion of Britain, because remember, you have our flag and colours on your flag, like a good few other countries. Also you really need to look at a history book, and figure out that Argentinians never even knew it existed before the 1800s, until the British got it. So we know we are correct, but continue to get harrased by a bunch of dumbass retards that Argentina calls a government, who clearly have no knowledge on how to run their own country. End my point.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And @215 Guzz you never replied to my comment on the other article about the countries, so it'd be cool if you looked at that. Also didn't you say before that you had no problems with the British people??? Weird how you change your mind after a few days.
@216 XAVIERV you seem to know that Scotland is holding a referendum. But... the UK will most definitely exist since most Scots will vote 'no' to independence. I know this because I'm a Scot.
@214 Do Aussies like Scots by any chance?
Just want to say that people from SA have no basis to hate Scots since we did nothing wrong to you
The reason is simple,
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you remember CFK stated to the world, that she would just talk,
and thats all she has done, [talked]
did we really expect anything else .
226 relay confession from evidence says a principle of law, this conversation is over you just arguing for the legitimate rights of Argentina. That will be you whine like a child in the morning to dismantle the English base .. Laughter ..
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, you genuinely believe Britain is waiting to attack South America?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JUST REMEMBER I POSTED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE SO LOOL UP AT 229 IF YOU'RE INTERESTED ;)
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He does , as do TTT and the rest,
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And All CFK supporters,
A Coincident perhaps,
Or brain washing .
Beef
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think Argentina wants to do anything else but talk, but UK refuses.
I can't speak for Argentina, but I'm quite sure the reason there are no sanctions or blockade, is that all SA countries have suffered them before, in one way or another, and they know they only serve to hurt the population, not the government. Should Argentina choose that path, she would loose a big part of SA's support. A support that really is about the British troops being in our region than about the islands themselves...
Theman
What can I say, friend. The debate is poisoned... Personal attacks followed by demeaning nicknames to insult flag and country. Mistrust on peoples origin. General generalisation.
Look at AmericanLight, he entered the discussion with politeness and good will. Now he is turning into another yanquiboy...
At times it affects me too, and I'm sorry if I insulted good people, you know who you are. For the rest, I bloody meant every word...
More Lies!!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@190
Please start studying history.
Lie 3: The Arg. administration was illegal. Why was the argentine government in 1833 illegal? Can you proove it?
Lie 4: The British discovered the islands in 1592. What??? Where did you lern this?? Let me laugh!.
Stop reading the falklands government site!!!
The islands were discovered just 70 years before Davis. There was a time that the spain and portugal dominated the south atlantic searching for a passage to india. There are a lot of maps that show the islands before 1592. If you like, I can tell you where these maps are.
Fiction is to say that Davis discovered the islands, when in fact nobody knows who did. But for sure, they were discovered before, by portuguese or spanish.
Start learning History. Don't rely on what is written in falklands gov. site or falklandshistory.org. This story is completely biased.
Really is about the British troops being in our region
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, British troops in the south Atlantic, is no bodies business other than the British,
They have been doing this for over a hundred years,
So it must be anti British, rhetoric,
After all, brazilin and Chilean troops are in your region, and so are a few other countries, should they be removed,
And –if a royal navy ship coming into the Atlantic, is militarising the south Atlantic, [CFK says so]
Then is it not equally true, that a royal navy ship leaving the south Atlantic, is de-militarising the area
Is this not true .??
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@223
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, why do you think we didn't attack Argentina in 1982? I mean, we had a whole Task Force down there already, an Argentine army that had already surrendered, and a navy sitting in port. If there was anything we wanted on the Argentine mainland, why would we wait another 30 years and have to start the whole performance all over again?
briton
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil and Chile are countries in our region. If they don't have their military in our region, where would they keep them? Although I agree a total disband of the armies would be the proper solution...
As for your question, UK has the Southern Atlantic militarized, they are not de-militarizing, and as far as we know, they are not further militarizing it either.
Still, it is militarized, although of course it is someone elses fault. Especially Argies with their scary sail boats...
UK can militarize the whole world for an additional 1000 years, it still doesn't make it right.
Guzz - The UK has said that it is willing to talk on matters of joint interest. Argentina walked away from the previous agreement. What we are not going to discuss is soverignty. If the Argies don't like it then tough.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now what are they going to do about it? Nothing it appears. If all they are willing to do is complain and not bother acting then they deserve to be dismissed.
I judge people by their actions, not their words.
235 Guzz Argentina don't want to talk, they just want the islands. We don't negotiate because we aren't required to since there is no case to answer.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also I'd like to make a point about one of your previous statements. You said that the British army couldn't take on the whole SA. Well... we could since we have the skill and tech to do it, but we wouldn't since we only have problems with Argentina, and Venezuela.... and Suarez (just wanted to bring that up again for some random reason lol).
Anyway Guzz where in Uruguay are you from, cos I'm interested?
UK can militarize the whole world for an additional 1000 years, it still doesn't make it right.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nope
dosent make it wrong either .lol
241
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite amusing, UK always finds a reason to invade, but never a reason to talk...
I'm Olimareño, if you have to know.
By the way, what you reckon Terry gets? :)
“UK has the Southern Atlantic militarized, they are not de-militarizing”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One ship, four planes, 800ish troops.
If you tally up what argentina has in the region it's orders of magnitude larger. It's fair to say that all the militarisation is coming from the mainland, really.
And then remember this article is about Argentina's future military procurement with a strategic view to the Falkland islands, it's pretty hypocritical to whine about Britain maintaining a defensive garrison when Argentina's defence minister is making barely veiled threats of invasion.
@236 deutscher
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be the original discovery is lost in time but that is not the way to claim lands. The only way to claim it is to set foot on it first and that is just watch britain did. It landed, named and later mapped the place. As was the international law of the time, britain duly claimed it, just like all the advanced european nations of the time. Spain, Portugal in South America, britain in australia, britain in New Zealand etc.
Britain dominated the seas, primarily for trading and supplies to remote colonies, building an empire requires more than a few canoes. Still other countries were at sea too however there were many wars fought at sea and that takes a sizeable navy which britain had and needed to fight those pesky spaniads and the french. British ships were to be found in all seas everywhere, still are today.
British history can be found online or in our librarians whereas Argentine history can only be found in the dreams of brainwashed citizens.
@243 Guzz UK invaded Iraq ,and won by the way since we killed Sadam and thousands of soldiers, which was the main goal.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway...... we only invade if threatened, which we have a right to. Also we do negotiate, but with sane people only so Argentine government's out the window anyway with Miss Crazy Retard Plastic Turkey-Lipped Bitch as their leader.
And I've never heard of that place or ethnic group. Is that in the capital somewhere, or outside.
Finally, Terry gets off with it because Ferdinand is unreliable, if you understand his background and previous situations with family members. If he gets charged, then that confirms my everlasting hatred for the UK Conservatives, BUNCH OF PRICKS!!! They nearly destroyed Scotland back in the 80s, and northern England.
freedom.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0246
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before I answer your question, enlighten me, what “ethnic groups” are there in Uruguay you've heard of?
If Terry gets away with it, What do you call 8 match ban for saying “Negro”, versus nothing for saying “Your f****** black c***”?
I call it British arrogance at its finest :)
Car
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 01st. The Falklands are not and never have been Argentine territory.
2nd. Argentina gave up its claim to them in 1850.
3rd. Argentina lost any rights whatsoever to moan about lost territory when after independence it invaded, conquered, and annexed vast amounts of land.
You did know that didn't you? That Argentina at independence was half the size it is today. That Argentina after independence annexed most of what is now the Province of Buenos Aires, La Pampa, Argentine Patagonia, and Argentine Tierra del Fuego. These territories were never Spanish.
3rd. Falkland Islanders have as much right to their country as Argentines have to theirs. More so, as they didn't steal it from any indigenous peoples.
4th. None of the resources are earmarked for British coffers. See my comment above re fishing fleets being mostly Spanish and Asian. There is no impediment by the UK or the Falklands for SA fishing fleets to become involved in Falklands fisheries, both the Chilean and Uruguayan fleets have been involved. Nor is there any impediment by the UK or the Falklands for SA to become involved in oil and gas exploration and extraction.
The country placing obstacles for SA to become involved in the exploitation of resources in the Falklands area is Argentina itself, not the UK, nor the Falklands.
@248 Guzz Well there's 88% white, 8% Mestizo, 4% blacks, and 1% Amerindian. That's all I could find.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the difference is Suarez said something racist, where as John probably didn't say anything, cos Ferdinand is a lying junkie with his brother. I've actually met him once before, saying hi and he's a complete prick. So it's not arrogance if there's no proof he said it, just the words of a guy who is, as I said, unreliable in court.
“3rd. Falkland Islanders have as much right to their country as Argentines have to theirs. More so, as they didn't steal it from any indigenous peoples.”
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to take this route, then we could say the Falklands had NO HUMAN population, so like Antarctica (or at least you guys claim so that Argentina can't rightfully annex it), it should have remained a nature preserve.
That surely would have saved the Falkland Islands wolf.
Theman
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no photo or video evidence on Suarezsaying anything at all, but there is a big, nice close-up on Terry saying “Yooouuurrr f****** blaaaackkk c******” in slow motion :) Have a look;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-video?intcmp=239
Just to be clear, I'll post you the FA report, so you can check for yourself there was no other proof than Evra's words on the Suarez case;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-video?intcmp=239
Now, please show me some facts to back your story up, I can't wait to see it :)
@252 Guzz btw yeah i think i get the olimenaro thing. wow sooo funny. was just trying to be casual, but you act like a smart-ass. Proves the point I made 2 weeks ago, again.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0253
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If casual you are, casual you get. Nothing funny about me being Olimareño.
If you found something on google that somehow made me a smart-ass, I can only lament...
Ask ynsere where I'm from, he/she should know, being Uruguayan, I mean...
@252 I've watched it, could be anything. There's a million other things he could've said that goes along with that term, especially British insults.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, didn't Suarez admit to using the word Negro, towards Evra???? Still racist, no matter what. He knew he couldn't say that word in a different part of the world without being racist, but still did it obviously.
@254 only thing that came up Olimanero was a Uraguayan band, so I think you're taking the piss.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent band!!!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have a song called “Angelitos negros”. Although it's not theirs, you should REALLY listen to its lyrics, if just once...
They are, of course, Olimareños as well, as you might have guessed...
@251
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a shame nobody thought, before the islands were populated, to establish a treaty like the one you want to repudiate. (another one)
Excellent band!!!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have a song called “Angelitos negros”. Although it's not theirs, you should REALLY listen to its lyrics, if just once...
They are, of course, Olimareños as well, as you might have guessed...
TTT 251
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Antarctic Treaty say no country can annex territory in Antarctica. If the treaty comes to an end and is not renewed, there is the matter of the UK having made a formal claim before Argentina did. But there is also a large area of Antartica that has not been claimed by any country. If the treaty comes to an end, Argentina can try to stake its claim to that part before any other country does.
@259 I'd like to make it clear that I'm not calling Suarez a bad person or a racist, but that he made a racist remark towards Evra during an argument they had, therefore Evra has every right to be offended by it.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also try not to repeat yourself..... and explain what Olimenaros is then, because really... I'm genuinely interested.
OK Guzz got your number. 33 isnt it?
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@260
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's theirs all right. They bought it off a Nigerian they met on the Internet.
33 they were indeed, of mixed scruples, has to be said...
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A big monument in town square ever present with its twisted story.
You'll see my river, Theman, long before the arches welcoming you to Treinta y Tres.
@259 Damn Guzz. I think I'll stick with Linkin Park, and Dubstep thanks. But thanks for sharing it anyways
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only reason I don't like it is because I don't speak Spanish unfortunately. Have any tips for learning it effectively??
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speak it
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can't add more to that????
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I've found out that the only way to become better at something is by doing it. I know I haven't discovered gravity and that I'm not alone in my conclusions, but this fact include languages.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only difference in out languages is the fonetics, thus you would need to learn how to pronounce the alphabet correctly, and then apply it on sentences you read aloud (newspaper, comics, book). The most crucial part is to spend time amongst native speakers of the language/dialect you wish to learn, if you wish to be able to speak and not to read only.
Wow that's probably the most helpful thing I've ever seen coming from you on any of the articles you've posted on. Thanks anyway, think I'll try stay cool with you now cos you actually seem not bad
Jul 10th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0XAVIERV makes an interesting point @ 219 (Not the one about us being a cologne mind). If this referendum is supposed to show the world us exercising our right to self determination then to choose between British or Argentine Sovereignty is a nonsense, one is a choice to be a colony of Argentina, the other is to remain a British Overseas Territory (which many parties incorrectly argue is the same thing as a colony anyway), it certainly does not show the world an exercise in self determination.
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we're exercising that right in such a simple form as a referendum then the question has to be open, all it can do is be a mechanism to show an option we don't want rather than what we ultimately do want, 'Do you want Argentina to have sovereignty of the Falkland Islands? yes or no' would so the trick, that would put the idea that we might be a pro-Argentine population suffering under the British colonial yoke to bed once and for all.
Theman
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0My vision of humanity is much more quiet and peaceful than I might express at times, but you must agree some posters here do not make it easy for one with this damned Italian gene...
Did you get the lyrics? If you did, can you still say “negro” is racist? Is it really ok to translate prejudices when translating words?
I know what you mean Guzz. Is this the lyrics to the song?
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pintor nacido en mi tierra,
con el pincel extranjero,
pintor que siques el rumbo,
de tantos pintores viejos.
Aunque la virgen sea blanca,
pintame angelitos negros,
que tambien se van al cielo,
todos los negritos buenos.
Pintor si pintas con amor,
¿porque desprecias su color,
si sabes que en el cielo,
tambien los quiere dios?.
Pintor de santos de alcoba,
si tienes alma en el cuerpo,
¿porque al pintar en tus cuadros,
te olvidaste de los negros?.
Siempre que pintas iglesias,
pintas angelitos bellos,
pero nunca te acordaste,
de pintar un angel negro.
Here's the English translation...
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Painter born in my land,
brush with foreign
painter who psyches course,
so many older painters.
And I get what you mean about that Guzz, but there are still certain circumstances where you can't use that word, e.g. in an argument with a black guy. 9/10 times he'll think it's racist and hate you for it.
Although the Virgin is white,
Paint me black angels,
they also go to heaven,
all good darkies.
Painter if you paint with love,
Why despise their color,
if you know that in heaven,
God also wants them?.
Painter of saints bedroom
if you have a soul in the body,
Why the paint on your pictures,
you forgot the black?.
Whenever you paint churches,
paint beautiful little angels,
but never remembered,
to paint an angel black.
That might be the original version you got there, or parts of it at least.
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Olimas version is also part, although other ones, of the same text.
Further exam of the work would lead us to the Spanish civil war.
Olimas version, with English translation in the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLWnX1iLY4
Cool. I've got to go by the way, but if you're still on here tomorrow, I'll try continue this if you want?
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell you what, you share me a diamond, and we solve this world the unconditional way :)
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Guzz. Lets see if you know: How many leagues are there between Corrales and Tranqueras?
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Conqueror
Jul 11th, 2012 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, recently said China would be able to produce a combat jet by 2020, but if the photographs are genuine, it would suggest that it may be able to do so a decade or more sooner.”
What do you think are genuine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7Tka5ir70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7Tka5ir70
J-20 will enters into service in 2015/18
“Air Force Lieutenant General Deputula, U.S. Air Force former deputy chief of staff who is responsible for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, said the appearance of the aircraft sounded the alarm to the United States. If China successfully developed active phased array radar and reliable engines, stealth technology to enhance the level of -20 F will be a very formidable opponent.
China J-20 can achieve at very high supersonic cruise flight in the air same as F-22, the aircraft assembled in China may be 3 for the new missile, the range over the U.S. missile air to air missiles, anti-ship missiles and anti- ground targets ground missiles, and satellites may be used to destroy the U.S. anti-satellite missiles.
In addition, the J -20 may also be used to destroy air tankers and other large aircraft, such as the E-3 AWACS command unit, E-8 electronic surveillance aircraft. In short, China J-20 and the emergence of the Russian T-50 that the United States air superiority is gradually disappearing”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/10/defence-minister-puricelli-argentina-s-malvinas-sovereignty-claim-is-a-regional-commitment#comment143978:
Jul 11th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Las Malvinas will revert to Argentina within 20 to 25 years. There will be no war. However, in the mean time the UK's defense budget will be increasingly set in Buenos Aires.
@280:
Jul 11th, 2012 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is highly improbable. Argentina is militarily toothless, and nobody will invade the Falkland Islands just to hand them over to it. (Don't count on us Brazilians to do so, as most of us endorse the right to self-determination.) Besides, the crucial question is not whether or not Argentina will get them but whether or not Argentina deserves to get them. Every lover of freedom who is acquainted with the relevant historical facts knows that the answer is in the negative. Even more glaring than Argentina's military inferiority is Argentina's moral inferiority.
@280 - Hepatia
Jul 11th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are only 2 scenarios regarding the sovereignty of the Falklands.
1. They will remain a British Overseas Territory
2. They will become an independent nation in their own right.
After the UN observed referendum next year, the Falkland Islands Government will petition the UN to remove them fom the decolonisation list, as they will have achieved one of the possible scenarions the UN has mandated.
Argentina won't get a look in, as you burnt all your bridges in 1982 and have done little to rebuild them since. Since the referendum will be overseen by the UN, that makes it internationally recognised, and therefore the Falklanders will have international backing.
So after this there is nothing that Argentina will be able to do but cry, beg and whinge (which you are already doing with no success), and military action will be out of the question as Britain will stop you, or could invoke article 5 of the NATO charter.
Of course all this is Argentinas fault. You've had 30 years to woo the Islanders, to try and show them that the real Argentina wasn't like the Junta and would respect their rights as people. You've had 30 years to show the Islanders that being linked to Argentina would be beneficial to them in terms of economy, trade, culture etc... But all you have done in the last 30 years is alienate them, spit on the hands of friendship and cooperation they have extended to you, and threaten them with economic sanctions, invasion and ethnic cleansing.
This is the real reason why no sane country in the world would allow Argentina sovereignty of the islands, because you are a vindictive people who can't be trusted.
@280 Hepatia
Jul 11th, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think so.
You will never get your grubby little hands on the islanders again. We will fight you if you try another invasion and you have nothing to offer in negotiation (not that we trust the words of an Argentine govt anyway).
Try being nice to the islanders for a change..................
@280 Hepatia,
Jul 11th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln your dreams, bozo.
282 LEPRecon (#)
Jul 11th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, could not agree more. More so, comments that China has joined in the tussle with Argentina are way off mark, China will only look at selling their exports to Argentina with their recent trade agreement as long as the gold and $'s keep coming. If Argentina becomes more aggresive over the Falklands, China will not put their trade with the UK and their friends in Western Europe at risk and rip up anything with Argentina in the UK's favour as they know where their bread is buttered. So any modernisation of Argentina's navy, airforce & army will be done with low budget poorly compared technology, that is why Agentina is begging for allies, but, they will only make the right noises as they too know where their bread is buttered. Too late, forget the Falklands, you will never ever own them in your lifetime CFK or in the future when you are long dead and gone and forgot about.
@282 Leprechorn
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicely put. Argentina has less integrity than an used condom.
@280 Hepatia
In 20/25 years Argentina will be in even more dire straits than it is now with its current mindset. Hopefully the Malvinas will be even less of an issue for the young and CFK will be from an episode of history you will choose to forget. Prepare yourself for total disappointment.
278
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not entirely sure, I could never count them... but they say it is 11...
No word yet on Azerbaijan solidarity...... they are probably saying 'where did he say he was from? did he pay his hotel bill??'
Jul 11th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0280 Hepatia
Jul 11th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK's defence budget will be increasingly set in Buenos Aires.
[are you suggesting, CFK and her government will rule the UK ,
]because that’s the only way, you will set our defence,
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Chine china, lovely chine,
The fastest growing economy in the world, and probably the rishes, and expanding fast,
[And]
HOLD IT, china has decided that she is going to throw it all away,
She is going to give up wealth, her power , her growth ,
Her money, destroy her economy,
And all because china ,loves the mighty CFK , and china will give it all , just so her new and greatest ally , can get its grubbily little hands on the Falklands,
And CFK stated today, that the Argentinean flag will fly over china,
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HEPATIA .
Some facts for your indoctrination program,
1, you are totally brain dead
2, china will do nothing
3, CFK will do nothing
4, you will carry on throwing shit to the wind,
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The British Falklands will remain British, until she says other wise,
But the chances are, that argentina will break into 3 sections ,
Sooner or later.
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Interesting that a Brit anti-Argie poster above calls himself Anbar, is that after Anbar Province in Iraq, which became a graveyard of US/UK Coalition troops? Surely not?
Jul 11th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0289
Jul 11th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be surprised if China does just that, not in order to favour Argentina, but in order to favour their communist goal they chase so rabidly...
Is post
Jul 11th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 034 , 51 , 53 , 75 , 290,
., as other get confused,
Mainly Argies , or course ..lol.
China has groomed many countries like Argentina, it has fingers in many pies, its pure fantasy on the RG side to think they will do anything. An ex russian aircraft carrier doesnt make a power with a global reach.
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cLOHO
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't argue with you if China's newfound richness has had an influence on the Chinese path or if it was part of the plan. Fact is that China is an out-spoken socialist state that rules by dictatorship of the masses (as in the communist party). They also have an out-spoken goal to introduce communist at some point, which would mean dissolving the state and the currency...
@294 - Guzz
Jul 11th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fact is that China is an out-spoken COMMUNIST state that rules by dictatorship, that regularly executes dissidents, blocks free access to the Internet, and controls the media.”
There, fixed that for you.
Argentina is deluding itself if it believes that China cares about anything other than China. They would, of course, love to have a few military bases in South America so they can project their 'influence' further.
But if you though having the USA in your backyard would be troublesome, just wait until you have a communist regime dictating what your country should think and do, and once they're in your country it'll be nigh on impossible to get rid of them.
If you thought the military junta was bad, with the Chinese 'you ain't seen nothing yet.'
LEP
Jul 11th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't care what stories you've been told as a child, but China is not communist whatsoever. They have a desire to become a communist state, and the way to achieve this is, according tothemselves, the dictatorship of the masses.
Read up on communism and what it means (no state, no currency) before “fixing” anything.
@296 Guzz I'd just like to point out that he may be talking about their government, which is a communist state. It'd be pretty weird if a non-communist part called the Communist Part of China, ruled China, don't you think?
Jul 11th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@296 - Guzz
Jul 11th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are thick, aren't you. Perhaps its you who should go back to school.
The People's Republic of China has been a Communist country since 1949. It is still a communist country today, right now this very minute. It has a one party system - the communist party.
The People's Army of China swear allegiance to the Communist State. Speak out against the Communist government and find yourself arrested, put on trial and either sent to a hard labour camp or executed. The Chinese execute around 5,000 people a year, the precise figure is considered a state secret in China. That's actually more than all the other countries who have the death penalty put together.
Try living in the real world, Guzz, or better yet do some research before posting as you won't look like such a fool.
280:
Jul 11th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's no doubt that the Malvinas will revert to Argentina eventually, but the timetable will be determined by two main factors: British public opinion, and US government instructions. As long as the USA doesn't care much, British public opinion (which is no more informed than average Third World public opinion, and is very easily swayed by tabloid propaganda) will ensure that no British government can make much progress on the issue until the Falklands War recedes well into the background.
But if the USA decides it's time for the Malvinas issue to be resolved, they'll have a brief word in the ear of the Brit PM and that'll be the end of the matter. Whether that will happen within 25 years is anyone's guess.
298
Jul 11th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so utterly, utterly wrong :)
You don't even know what communism is, had you known that, you wouldn't have called China a communist state (nation).
This is just not possible, as there is no ruling state in communism.
One thing is what was said during the cold war, but we do live in 2012. You can always check your facts at any given moment. 2 clicks away, you know...
@299 - Car
Jul 11th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you say you are an Australian, why don't you do some research before making such ridiculous claims?
Argentina has never owned the Falklands. The People who reside on the islands can trace their ancestors living there to before the country of Argentina existed. They have been there for more than 180 years, so what right does Argentina have to tell them how to live?
The Argentinians illegally invaded the Falklands in 1982 (by the way Car Australia back the UK in that war, and even offered military assistance should it have become necessary), threatened the people living there, tried to destroy their culture, held guns to their heads and pulled the trigger (fortunately on empty chambers), scattered landlines around without marking their positions (which is against international law), and when they realised they were losing booby-trapped the desks in the school with explosives.
So Car, why on earth would anyone ever want to be a part of a country that did that? Would you Car? What about the rights of the Falkland Islanders? They've lived there for more than 180 years, built their own culture, have their own economy and government, and as the islands were uninhabited, they didn't ethnically cleanse anyone to get the land.
By the way, the Argentines planned on ethnically cleansing the islands. Do you think that's right? Or legal? Or acceptable in this modern age?
Why do you support Argentina whose ancestors were Spanish colonists, who did ethnically cleanse the lands of natives and steal it? You are a hypocrite Car.
300 - Guzz - even the Chinese embassy webpage says they are a 'progressive' communist country, they're very proud of that fact. Deluded or stupid, Guzz, which are you?
@299
Jul 11th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There's no doubt that the Malvinas will revert to Argentina eventually”
You can believe that if it gives you comfort, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it though.
301
Jul 11th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol LEP, you said it your self, “Progressive Communism”, as in communism in progress :)
Don't have the discussion with me, take it with Carl Marx...
299... Car
Jul 11th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you the other fake Aussie sunshine??? The old swap of login names.
How do you feel about a majority of Aussies still wanting the queen as head of state, it's great isn't it..shows the great bonds our two countries have.
@303 -Guzz
Jul 11th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, I see you've opted for stupid then.
Never mind Guzz, when the progressive communists are in charge of Argentina, and 'disappearing' all those who disagree with them (remind you of someone?), don't say you weren't warned. People like you, Guzz, will probably be the first to be sent to re-education camps, or to the firing squad.
However, back to the point, the Argentine government is showing itself to be a toothless tiger, yet again, by begging its neighbours to help. How humiliating for you all.
Only occasion I opted for stupid was when I chose to answer your mouthcrap.
Jul 11th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just educated you in what communism is, not because I'm more intelligent or anyhting like that, but because your idea of communism is based on a Hollywood movie from 1950...
I think the Argentinians run a boiler room type of operation for posters on mercopress.
Jul 11th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone turns up for their shift and selects a name to post with.
This would explain why posters like guzz and TTT often post good literate debates but at other times spout absolute illiterate rubbish.
No agent999
Jul 11th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The key is to lower oneself to the level of the one you are discussing with. Take Conqueror for example, he tiltes every 3 days or so, posting he will kill random people. LEPrecon is more subtle, he just literally abuses everyone he speaks to. yanquiboy is another one, he is a firm believer that the rest of the world is aiming to be, look and feel like him. This shows through in his neverending chase for approval.
My posts are merely a response to the level of discussion they opt for. Be polite and respectful and you will recieve the same.
@236 deutscher
Jul 11th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinian administration in 1832 was illegal because the British took possession of the territory in 1765 claimed in 1741, on the basis of previous discovery, long before Argentina ever existed. This is the simple fact that destroys Argentina’s historical argument.
The British discovered the Islands in 1592 correct, this does not mean they were the first to discover them.
The British claim the first confirmed discovery of the Islands, because they went back a year later and began mapping them.
Prior to this S American Indians certainly visited the Islands, no evidence of settlement.
The Portuguese reported sighting Islands in that vicinity which may or may not have been the Falklands, as the sightings were never confirmed we don’t know for sure.
There is no mention in any Spanish document of the time about the Islands, like I said, the Spanish did not buy their claim to the islands from the French until 1766, before that they didn’t even know where they were, the French had to tell them. You don’t have to believe us about this, it is well documented in French history.
All this long before Argentina ever existed, the fiction here is the Argentinian version of history.
CARR
Jul 11th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are no more an australian, than i am an argentinian.
stop embarrasing yourself.
236 deutscher
go back to sleep, your arguments are out of date, out of bloggs , and out of time .
306 Guzz
you may be argentinian,
you may be a south American ,
but you are, backing the wrong side , the losing side , and the lost side,
CFK will turn argentina into the lost tribe at this rate, dump her, and join the argie rebels against her .
you know it makes sense .
@299:
Jul 11th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know nothing about British public opinion. Pending the impact of an asteroid on Great Britain, it will not tilt against one of the justest military victories in human history. If your wishful thinking and Anglophobia will not let you sleep, I suggest you read Velikovsky's “Worlds in collision”, so that you can strengthen your belief in such an improbable astronomical event.
The People's Republic of China is a single-party state governed by the Communist Party of China.[15] It exercises jurisdiction over 22 provinces, five autonomous regions, four directly controlled municipalities (Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, and Chongqing), and two mostly self-governing special administrative regions (Hong Kong and Macau).[16
Jul 11th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
Communist Party of China
XVII Congress of the Communist Party of China held in 2007.
The Communist Party of China (CPC), also known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is the founding and ruling political party of the People's Republic of China (PRC). Although nominally it exists alongside the United Front,[7] a coalition of governing political parties, in practice, the CPC is the only party in the PRC,[8] maintaining a unitary government and centralizing the state, military, and media.[9] The legal power of the Communist Party is guaranteed by the national constitution.[9] The current party leader is Hu Jintao, who holds the title of General Secretary of the Central Committee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
that’s what wiki says .
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@308 - Guzz
Jul 11th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't abuse everyone, I don't need to abuse you because every time you post you show your ignorance, but it is fun to watch you dig yourself deeper.
Are you an Argie troll? Or just a traitor to Uruguay?
If Argentina asks the countries of South America to back them with more than just platitudes then it will be sorely disappointed. But never mind Guzz, the communists will be along to organise your lives soon enough.
You'll have to work 18 hour days in the factories, with poor safety records, for a pittance. They'll tell you what to read, what to watch, what to think, and step one toe out of line or complain and it's straight to the re-education camps for you, or maybe they'll just go straight to executing you for being an enemy of the state.
Good old communism, that champion of human rights, at least for the ruling classes of the communist party. :0)
313
Jul 11th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You STILL haven't informed yourself on what communism really is about, have you?
you cant pick n mix ,
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By being technical
Communism, equality for all and everybody,
We are all equal,
No rich, no poor , just equality,
Is this not nearer the truth.
Briton
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure I fully understand your question.
Communism is basically a model where humanity rules itself with the law of morals, where everybody produces what they can and consume what they need.
In that sentence, everybody is equal, yes.
I'm not a communist though, so don't expect me to defend its ideology...
@314 -Guzz
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know what communism is in theory, which is obviously your blinkered view of it, equality for all, all shall have the same as their neighbour which will eliminate greed, want, crime etc...
The problem is that when you put the theory into practice. In reality, communism doesn't work as you can't subdue human nature. There will always be those who want more than other people. There will always be people who are more ruthless and ambitious than other people. There will always be leaders and followers. People can't ever be truly equal as someone always has to make the hard choices, the decisions.
Democracy is the only true way to ensure equality. One citizen, one vote. Democracies also don't promise that everyone will be equal, they only give people the chance to improve their lives.
Guzz, communism is not a good thing as it tends to oppress small things like freedom of expression, freedom of travel, freedom to think for yourself, freedom of the individual. Basically communism is the antithesis of freedom, because everyone has to be the same, act the same, want the same things, think the same things, and in order to do this individualism and creativity is crushed underfoot.
However, it doesn't really matter, as the subject of this story is Argentinas self deluded belief that the whole of South America will fight for Argentina for no gain. It will never happen. Also the Chinese would never attack the British in such a dishonourable way.
This is a case of wishful thinking by the Argentine government, a fantasy were they actually think they've got influence in South America, when in fact they are Venezulas and soon to be China's lap dogs.
I wont,
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over time quite a few despots claim its for the people,
Its always for the people,
Yet in all societies, you get the rich, and the powerful,
That rule everything, from greed to corruption,
And all the people ever get, is, the same crap, all the time , every time,
The people come first.
So no I don’t expect you or anyone on here to defend these crackpots.
Mmmm
one day, we will do things to better mankind, and eliminate the poor,
for the betterment of each other, rather than the betterment of the rich and powerfull.
SouthAmericaObserver 05/07/12 14:35 (part 1)
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After living for some time in Buenos Aires and elsewhere in Argentina and being fully immersed in the language, culture and family, I have puzzled for years over the question “What's Wrong with Argentina?” I was really curious to understand what could explain the many odd, disrespectful, selfish, reckless, aggressive, and counter-productive or irrational behaviors I noticed on a daily basis in both private and public Argentine life.
Among the behaviors I have in mind are Argentine drivers recklessly endangering each other daily; pedestrians refusing to yield to each other; clerks annoyed to service their customers; paralyzed, inefficient and rude government bureaucracy and bureaucrats; people in close proximity speaking in a loud, agressive and hostile way; individuals not keeping personal or professional commitments and appointments and then fabricating excuses; thousands of soccer fans shouting violent obscenities in unison and organizing as violent mafias; groups of disgruntled citizens routinely stopping traffic at will on the principal roadways of the capital causing losses to thousands of fellow citizens and doing so with impunity; levels of street crime so high that nearly every acquaintance has been victimized at least once; government officials lying, punishing honesty, stealing public funds and private property and opposing a free press; the torture and murder of dissident citizens (past), and the making of agressive war (past). And it appears many Argentines have a constitutional inability to accept personal or national responsibility for inappropriate behavior and make amends. Instead there seems to be a society-wide compulsion to make excuses, blame others and complain of victimization.
And the most recent examples are the Argentine government's statements and actions regarding the Falkland Islands, oil company expropriation, and Olympic improprieties. TBC.....
LEP
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lapdogs? Its not SA debts the Chinese are buying up...
SouthAmericaObserver 05/07/12 14:35 (part 2)
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The notion that seems to me best able to explain this pattern of selfish/agressive behavior is that the Argentine culture is permeated by this simple belief; “I” (or my group) am more important/valuable than “You” (or yours).
And since what “I” want is more important (correct, just, necessary) than what “You” want “I” must have the right to have it regardless of the effect my getting it may have on “You.”
This is the same attitude found in 2 year olds, dictators and other sociopathic folks (often living in prisons) which inclines them to behave in those annoyingly self-absorbed and destructive ways we are all too familiar with.
My prescription for Argentina? Get some therapy. Grow up. You'll get the respect an adult deserves when you act like one.
Thanks Jayne....you said what I left out. And it's not just the trash they don't clean up, it's the dog feces you are sure to eventually step in on every city sidewalk. All BsAs seems to own a dog but hardly anyone takes responsibility for their own messes....of any kind. And I can add one more unsavory detail....Argentina smells bad. Standards of cleanliness are low and the high level of meat consumption produces pungent nitrogen compounds that require more lavatory maintenance not the little they actually get. So Buenos Aires has a characteristic decaying flesh odor, at least in it's public lavatories, similar in kind if not flavor and degree to the way southern India smells like curried human feces for lack of toilets. Not very appealing. And because everyone is on guard against street crime people's faces are not open or happy. For me it's an interesting dystopia with some redeeming qualities which make it worth visiting but except for those who resonate with that kind of place it probably would not make a happy home.
321
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like what an Argentine wanted was the reviewers good woman/man...
@299
Jul 11th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anything to do with the Falklands Islands will be determined by its inhabitants-and its elected government the FIG, not by the USA or the UK.
The Falkland Islands are no longer a colony of the UK, as evidenced by several constitutional changes in the Islands transferring more autonomy to the Islands.
Has Titterman defected? Not a squeak since he arrived in Azerbaijan on the 2nd....
Jul 11th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Asia/Azerbaijan?search=&type=&searchheadlines=
324 Frankie,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about Mr Timmerman, he is fine.
Worry about the lunatic Brits instead...
12 Jul 2012
“Government officials believe aliens may visit Earth and suggest harnessing UFO technology for UK defences, files say.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9392888/The-UFO-Files-aliens-might-come-here-for-holidays.html
@325 Marcos
Jul 12th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic attempt to divert the thread with a completely random topic. Tut, tut, even Guzz did better than that with his 'the Chinese aren't communists' crack.
@320 - Guzz, no the Chinese are just loaning South America vast sums of money which they will expect repaid with interest.
Since Argentina's economy is in the toilet they won't be able to repay, so these 'friendly' communists will foreclose on them. The price maybe a military base or port in Argentina, and once in you won't be able to get the out.
I wonder how Chile and Brazil would react to that? Or the USA? Perhaps the Yanks will make a deal with the Falklanders to put a US military base there to counter any Chinese base in Argentina.
We live in interesting times indeed.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/10/defence-minister-puricelli-argentina-s-malvinas-sovereignty-claim-is-a-regional-commitment#comment144610:
Jul 12th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason that the US acts in the manner it does with respect to Las Malvinas and Argentina is because of the so called “special relationship” between it and the UK. In the past the US has seen it in its interests to maintain this relationship. But as the US moves its interests to the Pacific it will have a lot less interest in maintaining a client in Europe. Coincident with this the US will increasingly focus its interests in America. So, as you point out the US will seen it as in its interests to get the British out of America.
But beyond the US there will be at least one other American country which will have the ability to whisper the UK's ear.
As I see it there are several paths by which Las Malvinas can revert to Argentina. On the other hand I can see no way that it can remain as a European colony.
@Marcos Alejandro
Jul 12th, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok now that all this had been revealed there is not reason to keep secret any more.
Arg secret service had been worry for many years about the interest showed by Aliens over UK.
On a document made by senior Intelligence Officer named “AUATTTS” (Allien/UK Advanced Technology Transfer Top Secret) shows irrefutable evidence that UK is acquiring Alien Advanced Tech in exchange for UK advanced top secrete tech.
Seems the Aliens are very interested to acquirer BBPT (British Banknote Printing Technology) and HAHSM (High Advanced Hypnosis for Stupid Masses).
Aliens for decades have been monitoring that UK govt. can print money faster than anyone in Universe while keeping the Brit. citizens living in a complete state of denial in the process.
Also the document point out that the UK govt. Hypnosis is so advanced that Brits. citizens can threat other nations with weapons and military capabilities that they don’t have and even though they risk to be vanished from the face of earth by these nations.
Alien even though having a gap with planet earth of a millennium developing advanced tech they don’t have something so advanced like this.
In exchange Alien will transfer to British the most advanced SFF (Stealth Flying Fighters) known in the universe and 62m pill of IEGHL (Instant Education and Good Health for Life).
The SFF is so advanced that any jet fighter pilot in UK in his/her entire life will see any.
And the pills of IEGHL are so good that UK will not need Health service or Education anymore.
WTF are you not so scared now?
Ha ha
@327
Jul 12th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0It isn't a colony.
Several constitution changes have given the FIG more, not less autonomy from UK rule since 1982.
Now the islanders govern themselves ,with helpfrom Uk with defence as Argentina is too unreliable a country to trust.
As Argentina want the Falkland Islands as a colony, they are clearly the would-be colonialist power here.
You could be right in one aspect. When the Falkland Islanders are no longer threatened by colonialist Argentina, they are likely to seek Independence but the Argetnines have proved themseleves to be no respectors of treaties and alliances so cannot be trusted, which means the Islanders have little choice but to retain strong ties with the UK>
That situation is caused by Argentina, thereby distancing itself from any hope that it will colonise the Falkland Islands.
Argentina has caused this=their fault, their loss.
@327 - Hepatia
Jul 12th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders vote next year. They are going to have the choice of 3 options:
1. Remain a British Overseas Territory
2. Become part of Argentina.
3. Become an independent country.
Now, due to constant Argentine aggression the most probable result will be option 1 (after all they can always claim independence at a later date if they want to), as the British will defend them against Argentine aggression.
Once this is done they will have achieved what the goal that the decolonisation committee was set up to do. They will have expressed their wishes, and the UN will have no choice but to remove them from the decolonisation list.
The UN already recognises de facto UK Soveignty of the Falklands, but after the vote the 'de facto' part will be dropped to read, 'the UN recognises UK Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands (the name Malvinas to be removed as it is obsolete), in line with the wishes of people of the Islands.”
Once this is done, Argentina will have no legal rights to claim sovereignty no matter how much you demean yourselves by crying, begging and lying.
Argentina has had 30 years to prove that they weren't like the junta, but instead you have proved yourselves every bit as ruthless and untrustworthy as them. You try to starve out the islanders with an economic blockade (which didn't work as your regional friends refused to do it), you have threatened them with ethnic cleansing and murder. Then you wonder why they want nothing to do with you.
Argentina needs to grow up. I mean 40,000,000 people trying to bully a mere 3,000 people. Cowardice of the worst kind. You are all PATHETIC.
Has not argentina already have a colony on the tip of Antarctica,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0implanted Argies
so pot kettle black .
331 - do they not transport pregnant women to the colony so they give birth in supposed Argentine territory. Desperate measures, but a planned attempt to annex lands in antartica. But hey its probably not their fault.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its never there fault,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@LEPRecon
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just rubbish referendum not change Arg. S rights over the Islands according with International Law.
Keep trying you do very well.
Boston College International and Comparative Law Review
“The author believes that the Argentine claims to the Malvinas are firmly based not only on generally accepted rules of international law governing the acquisition of sovereign rights over territory, but also on
the fact that the international community at large, acting through successive
General Assembly Resolutions 1514 of December 14, 1960 which, therefore, must be brought to a speedy and
unconditional termination and, on the other hand, has identified Argentina, by reason of its territorial dispute over the Islands, as the relevant counterpart with whom Great Britain must negotiate for the purposes of bringing about decolonization. ..and by what some people believe to be the
“higher” - law of decolonization.”
“The first discovery of the archipelago of the Malvinas has been attributed to:
Amerigo Vespucci in 1501”
“The first colonizer of the Malvinas was Louis Antoine de Bougainville who
established in early 1764 a settlement of around 29 people, founded Port Louis... until the latter was formally transferred to Spain.”
“When Bougainville recounted the history of the transaction between Spain
and France of 1767, he pointed out that France had relinquished the Malouines
in favor of Spain pursuant to a principle of European public law.”
“It seems quite clear that the South Atlantic War between Great Britain and
Argentina has not altered the basic legal status of this ancient, but ever continuing,
dispute as defined by Resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965; 3160 (XXVIII) of
1973; and 31/49 of 1976 of the General Assembly of the United Nations. This
proposition is confirmed by the recent General Assembly Resolution 37/9 of
November 9,1982167 which, carrying the favorable vote of the United States”
That’s great,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then you will be taking this to the ICJ then.
after all,
action speaks louder than words .
@carr and Heaptia
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If any US president told HMG to give the Falklands to you - he would be told to get lost.
He/She would then find all US bases in Britain no longer welcome, and there would be ZERO UK support for any action the US takes in the Gulf, etc. It would be political suicide for that POTUS.
UK opinion consistently backs the Falklanders in remianing British and more importantly backs them in their wish not to be invaded or occupied by Argentina. If they went independent, polls shows that we would support that too.
Being as I have seen footage of Argentine school children being drilled into chanting Malvinsta slogans and fed a twisted version of what hgappened in1982, with no debate about it, calling us ill - informed is a bit crass (and actually an outright lie).
@325 Marcos Alejandro
Now you know why I don't bother reading some of the weirder stories in the press. I have'nt read the link yet - but it sounds like someone has watched too many episodes of “Dr Who”.......
@334 -Dany
Jul 12th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of all your proof of these 'facts' you have brought up? No haven't got any?
Secondly, none of these people were South American, let alone Argentine so what bearing do they have on sovereignty claims?
Thirdly, Argentina has no rights to the islands, the islands are no longer a colony, and that will soon be ratified by the UN. Aw Dany, gonna cry and stamp your feet?
Forthly, all those UN resolutions were based upon Argentine LIES, and we're all INVALIDATED by the illegal Agentine invasion of the Islands in 1982. They're dead just like Agentina's claims. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fifth. Spain dropped its sovereignty claim to the islands leaving the British as the only legal claimant left. Gonna cry again, are we Dany?
As for your claims as to who first discovered the islands WRONG.
“While Amerindians from Patagonia could have visited the Falklands, the islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. The first reliable sighting is usually attributed to the Dutch explorer Sebald de Weert in 1600, who named the archipelago the Sebald Islands, a name they bore on Dutch maps into the 19th century.
In 1690, Captain John Strong of the Welfare en route to Puerto Deseado was driven off course and reached the Falkland Islands instead, landing at Bold Cove. Sailing between the two principal islands, he called the passage ”Falkland Channel” (now Falkland Sound), after Anthony Cary, 5th Viscount of Falkland, who as Commissioner of the Admiralty had financed the expedition. The island group takes its English name from this body of water.”
Whatever do they teach you in school Dany? Oh that's right, they teach you lies.
But Argentina will NEVER gain sovereignty of the Falklands unless the inhabitants wish it. So never gonna happen, is it?
@334 Dany, Adrian Hope is a reassuringly English Name as is Boston. Sadly, the one is Argentinian and the other Irish American. Bias or what?
Jul 12th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@338
Jul 12th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be Adrian F.J Hope of law firm
Hope, Duggan & Silva
Suipacha 1111,
Piso 8,
Buenos Aires,
Capital Federal
Argentina
C1008AAW
Tel +54 11 4891 1000
Fax +54 11 4891 1001
Email : hds@hds.com.ar
And not, apparently, a specialist in international law.
310 briton accuses: “you are no more an australian, than i am an argentinian.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stop embarrasing yourself.”
Ha, I can assure you I am an Australian citizen and have lived here in Tassie for most of my life. But I still retain British citizenship and the accompanying Euro passport, so I'm also “one of you”. The difference being that I don't support greedy British imperialism.
@340
Jul 12th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I remind you that if it wasn't for “greedy British Imperialism” you would not have that Australian citizenship that you crave so much.
341:
Jul 12th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crave? Huh?
As a modern Australian citizen I'm very much a post-colonial. It's rather telling that you people are so transfixed on the past.
When I condemn greedy British imperialism, I'm condemning the greedy British imperialism that is taking place RIGHT NOW, in the Malvinas. You appear to agree with me that it is indeed greedy British imperialism, but you imply that such policies are somehow “necessary” or “unavoidable”, so that people like you and me can live the lives we wish to live, at the expense of people “less worthy” than the Anglo-Saxons. Poor people, who have to suffer and die, at the hands of British foreign policy, for you to be able to “do your thing”.
Well that's certainly not true in my case. I live in Tasmania but I'm a very strong supporter of aboriginal rights and land claims etc. And in regard to the South Atlantic, where the British are maintaining a particularly ludicrous little village-sized colony, I'm a very strong supporter of them sodding off back to Blighty, and leaving the islands and their coastal resources to the people of the region, who very much need them.
If the “Falklanders” are addicted to their chilly island lifestyle, I'm sure they can easily be rehoused on the Isle of Wight, or Isle of Man etc.
342 Car (#)
Jul 12th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an Argentine, and most probably a porteño.
The nearest you'll ever get to Tassie is on National Geographic.
If you were a true Aussie, you would know the status of the Isle of Man!!!!!
342
Jul 12th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear Mr Car, “post-colonial” thats nonsense. Australia was created by British colonialism as were the Falklands, the only difference being was that Australia had aboriginals when we British arrived and the Falklands didn't, you sir can only call yourself Australian because Australia had the right of self determination to leave the empire and become independent, the Falklands however don't get this choice in your eyes. Despite being a people who will be as close to an original population as you can get. oH and by the way they are not a colony, they are entirely self governing were as a colony is not.
“Well that's certainly not true in my case. I live in Tasmania but I'm a very strong supporter of aboriginal rights and land claims etc” Really, are you sure? A true supporter would see how “unfair” it is for you as someone of European decent to live on lands that don't belong. If we really wanted to be fair about it, all colonially v=created countries would have to be dissolved their inhabitants would have to go back to were they belong, with only the aboriginals staying but thats not going to happen is it? No you have a nice comfortable life don't you on allegedly “stolen lands”?
“If the “Falklanders” are addicted to their chilly island lifestyle, I'm sure they can easily be rehoused on the Isle of Wight, or Isle of Man etc.” Sp what about the Australians or maybe they cant be removed back to Britain because there isn't much room in Cornwall?
“condemning the greedy British imperialism that is taking place RIGHT NOW,”
Independent or not Australia is still an example of imperialism and colonialism taking place RIGHT NOW, the only way to truly end it would be for all of you lot to come home to your countries of origin, but as I said thats not going to happen is it?
Oh and by the way Argentine is a product of Spanish colonialism so how can they call the Colonialism card while their country is built on stolen lands? And I actually hold no regrets for the empire.
343:
Jul 12th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dream on, Simon. It's very telling how paranoid you imperialists are about people's nationality.
“If you were a true Aussie, you would know the status of the Isle of Man!!!!! ”
What makes you think Aussies know anything much about the Isle of Man? Why should they?
And I say “they” because, as I've already stated, I'm still a British citizen (born in Reading, Berkshire) and am not actually a “naturalised” Australian, although I've been an Australian resident for most of my life.
340 Car (#)
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference being that I don't support greedy British imperialism.
Mr car,
You are entitled to your opinion,
And so am I,
You don’t support British imperialism,
And I do not support treason, and loonies that have been indoctrinated,
There is no empire
No British imperialism,
No British expansionism
And no British re conquest,
Just protecting the little guy, from a very aggressive Argentina,
So you either support Britain, or you support Argentina,
Loyally or treason,
Your freedom, your choice .
Bye .
.
344:
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conor, you're clearly a tragic soul who really does hold the racist imperialist views that you so eagerly express. You really do think that Anglo-Saxons are more worthy peoples than the peoples they've traditionally exploited. All I ask is that you acknowledge that I, Car, completely disagree with your views. I'm someone who supports an equalitarian distribution of wealth and resources, and an end to the most blatant and foolish remnants of Empire, such as the silly-billies camped in the “Falklands”, and the ludicrous British toy soldiers hell-bent on “defending” such offensive nonsense.
Just wise up and wake up, please. You people are beyond laughable. The “Falklands”, and everything about them, easily out-Python the most surreal efforts of the Monty Python team. But at the end of the day it's not really very funny, because you Brits really are prepared to kill and maim and kill and maim again, in order to steal the regional resources of poorer people who badly need them.
@347
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever heard the phrase “think before you open your mouth?” everything you have accused me of is false, I said I hold no regrets for the empire because its history, something you cant change. Racist Imperialist? I never said anything like that I merely pointed the following: that you live in a colonially created country despite hating colonialism, Argentine is a country created by colonialism and has no right to complain about it, Australia had the right of self determination so why cant the Falklands?, The fact you call yourself an Australian then hate Britain for colonialism is laughable.
I also pointed out that he Falklands weren't a colony and instead of actually countering my arguments you accused me of racism and imperialism simply because I countered your arguments.
“because you Brits really are prepared to kill and maim and kill and maim again, in order to steal the regional resources of poorer people who badly need them.” Thought you said you were British as well?
#347
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as the Argentinians were prepared to kill and maim in 1982.
So it was perfectly OK for your country to act like this to steal the resources of the Falklanders ?
Ludicrous toy soldiers ? Of course, you are referring to the Argentinian armed forces. I'm surprised that they have not been entered for the Olympic sprints as Usain Bolt would not stand a chance against them.
They are the world champions at running !!!
HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH ETC
That really make him a fool, or a traitor to his own people,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He cant have it both ways,
especially living in Australia, who supports the rights of the islanders,
But then again , will mr car now openly condemn the Australian military forces and the Australian government,
The, same has he condemns the British.
Perhaps, in this context , mr car should thus immigrate to argentina , and show proper support and loyally to CFK,, he would be most welcome .
his opinion,,,,my opinion ..
@Car
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an Aussie or Argy, you are the one today most directly benefiting from the Colonial killing you claim to hate. That blood paid for your lifestyle.
Now you advocate Argentinian colonisation of the S Atlantic.
You’re not a very nice man, but I think you already know that, don’t you.
and leaving the islands and their coastal resources to the people of the region, who very much need them.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Car,
Falkland Islanders are people of the region.
If South American countries want Falklands resources they can pay the Falklands for them. Just as the Spanish and Asian fishing fleets are doing, just as the oil companies are doing. And just as South American countries are doing to each other. There is no “South America” as far as resources is concerned. They all sell their resources to each other. They do not give them to each other for free.
Doesn't the rabid indoctrination of 'CAR' remind you of our old friend, the false Irishman O'gara (or Ogaga as I tagged him)?
Jul 12th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless it's typical of the breed.
He knew next to fcuk all about what he was spouting.
Just joined and I don't know if anyone has picked up on it in their postings but the lying shitbag Car stated he was Australian again but had dual nationality. To become an Australian citizen you have to give up your previous nationality.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Almost certain.
Just another Cowardly Argentinian Troll.
we are all agreed,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0carr is an argie .
355 briton
Jul 12th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An argie and the worst kind. A piece of shit.
Regarding nationality it certainly was the case (I have relations there) unless the law has changed in the last few years. He says he has had his citizenship most of his life though.
half our family is there,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the australians are very good people,
and mr carr is not
@347
Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> you Brits really are prepared to kill and maim and kill and maim again, in order to steal the regional resources of poorer people who badly need them.
There are only two flaws with this thesis :
- Argentina is not claiming the Falklands in order to distribute their regional resources among the poor of S. America. Argentina is claiming the Falklands because it has chosen to turn a minor colonial skirmish into a national neurosis which is convenient for politicians and which none can back down on.
- The UK is not defending the Falklands in order to steal the resources of poorer people. The UK is defending the Falklands because no UK government can give in to the Argentine neurosis.
If the most likely outcome of this is that a large proportion of the oil wealth is spent on defence, that is deeply sad. But appeasement is not a better outcome, as experience of the last time that got tried would suggest.
”in order to steal the regional resources of poorer people who badly need them.”
Jul 12th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0??????????????????
The oil reserves around the Falklands are minute compared to the resources in Argentina. The reason there are poor in Argentina is that the ruling class makes itself wealthy and cannot control its massive resources properly. As Argentina couldn't run a party in a distillery, if it had the resources of the Falklands they would not benefit the poor, the rulers would get them put into foreign bank accounts like CFK, Timmerman, etc does.
347 Car (#)
Jul 13th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are well educated troll, you write well and can impress some, but not most. Your use of English language is admirable in its formation, shame its content means nothing, what a waste.
@briton
Jul 13th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t go anywhere mate. And you?
Btw where will you go after the departure from Europe? Ha ha
@shb
If Uncle Sam says you give the Island Back there is nothing you can do because they are Uk’s master puppeteer, like with the Suez Canal do you remember?
@LEPRecon
Doesn’t matter what you believe or say soon or later the Islands will be given back to Argentina, because Uncle Sam knows what is more convenient for their interest.
@Simon68
Any time you make I new post more certain I’m that you are not Argie.
@For all haters
Seems “Car” had touched a nerve by saying what retrograded imperialists don’t want to hear.
Shame that imperialist haters of the free world don’t want to grow up and become civilised.
But we (the democratic and free world) have to be patient. And give then another chance to rethink they wrong doing. But we have to make clear that we will not tolerate such behaviour on our Western Hemisphere anymore and tough measures will be taken.
God Save Der Präsident Hugo Chavez and Her majestic Cristina (lovely queen)
As a gesture of our good will some musik here from the most civilised country in the world after Argentina of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGYEXYPy3Mw
@361 - Dany
Jul 13th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you can't back up your ridiculous claims then? Thought not.
Argentina can't be 'given back' something you've never had ownership of, and never will. By the way 2 illegal occupations lasting the maximum of 3 months does not a Soveignty claim make. 180 years plus of continuous inhabitation does.
The cry of Imperialist in the 21st century is amusing, Dany, but since you support dictators with terrible human rights records it's hardly surprising.
You don't have any arguments, just your hatred for the British, which you seem to share with numerous other Argentine posters. It's getting old, Dany, and definitely proves that the education you got in Argentina was substandard and full of inaccuracies which don't even stand up to a quick search on the Internet.
Whatever La Campora are paying you, I'd say it's too much because you really are useless at this debating stuff.
@LEPRecon
Jul 13th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha you copy past the same answer to everyone mate?
What indoctrination? In Germany and Italy?
Don't you feel a little bit out of touch sometimes?
BTW do you know where can go for my check from la campora?
Mr Car,
Jul 13th, 2012 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think Argentina has any rights in the Falklands?
1) Proximity is not a valid answer.
2) Argentina's poverty is not a valid answer(they did that all by their wittle selves).(research Argentina in the year circa 1900).
3) Their trespassing garrison's ejection in 1833 is not a valid answer.
4) Because they want it is not a valid answer.
Well?
l'm all ears, do tell.
btw- How many Aborigines do you know in Tasmania?
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Don't take too much notice of DanyBerger, he's just an anti-British troll.
Not very intelligent either.
#361 ”Seems “Car” had touched a nerve by saying what retrograded imperialists don’t want to hear.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shame that imperialist haters of the free world don’t want to grow up and become civilised.
But we (the democratic and free world) have to be patient. And give then another chance to rethink they wrong doing. But we have to make clear that we will not tolerate such behaviour on our Western Hemisphere anymore and tough measures will be taken.
God Save Der Präsident Hugo Chavez and Her majestic Cristina (lovely queen)”
Amen to all of that. God save our lovely queen =)
@363 - Dany
Jul 13th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is the best you can come up with?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! Pathetic much?
But back to the story. The regional commitment is all in the Argentine governments mind. The majority of South America are fed up of Argentine arrogance, Argentine lies andf the screeching noise your president makes every time she opens her mouth.
The Argentine government is definitely getting worried bout the UN backed Falklands referendum. Once the results are in it will be goodbye to all Argentine sovereignty claims. You can cry and spout as many defunct UN general assembly resolutions as you want, but it won't hold any water against the referendum results. And do you know why the UNGA resolutions are defunct Dany? Because Argentina broke them all in 1982.
Perhaps your government should quit flogging this dead horse and concentrate on trying to save the one one that still has some life left in it, namely Argentina itself.
@365 B_K,
Jul 13th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said you were a Scot, in Scotland.
Now you're in “our Western Hemisphere”
Really Jock?
ln case anyone hasn't told you, your lovely queen is damned oogly(!).
Hey Mr Car-you like vechiles-get a load of this parody I've written.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I t continues to make me laugh at the Malvanista's comments on Imperialism and colonialism coming from a country that wants to practise them.
The Argentines have driven into camp, into a bog and the Rover (CAR) engine is screaming and screaming and screaming, and the wheels are spinning and spinning and spinning, chucking 'sheet' everywhere. the wiper blades are working ten to the dozen but the windscreen still gets plastered with crap leaving only a little gap to see out of.
A lot of noise and movement, all completely ineffective.
And still Argentina cannot move an inch out of the bog, because they didn't carry a bumper jack.
#367
Jul 13th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0If BK is a Scot, then he must be living in a parallel universe to the one I have been living in for the past 70 years.
From his postings he reminds me of a character in a BBC comedy show called Citizen Smith who was the leader of the Marxist group the Tooting Popular Front. This consisted of 3 people and who's aims were world revolution.
Maybe BK would care to give us some more information about himself
Where was he born, educated, job/career and the town where he currently lives. I find the anonymity of posters a bit puzzling. Is it that they can hide behind a pseudonym and use language that they would not use if it could be attributed to them. I have no qualms about revealing some details about me.
Born in Argyllshire, on the banks of the river Clyde. Parents both Scottish and Grandparents back to records began, of Highland stock. Moved to Glasgow at the end of WW2 and lived in Whiteinch within earshot of the Shipyards. Raised in a socialist background to believe in fair treatment for all - this also a part of Scottish education at that time.
Worked for 40 years as a Officer of Customs and Excise until retirement.
Enjoyed travelling world-wide and actually contemplated visiting the Argentine until this current trouble brewed up.
Anyone else care to reveal anything about themselves ?
Danny Boy
Jul 13th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Several Republican candidates strongly criticised Obama over the Falklands issue for, 1. Not supporting his ally and 2. Not recognising the Islanders right to self-determination.
Fair bet the next Republican Pres will formally recognise the Islanders rights in that respect. The next Democrat pres will at the very least not change the status quo, if not take the same position.
After all who will it upset! Only Argentina and Venezuela, which makes it a reason FOR them to do it.
The US is a functioning democracy no president could sanction Argy colonisation against the will of the inhabitants, without strong opposition in the Congress and Senate. Because with a free press it would be well known that was what’s happening.
Much of the world now knows the Argy version of history is total bollox.
Whatever their position about “negotiations” far more countries in the world support the Islanders rights to self-determination than Argentina’s claims of sovereignty.
Which is where you have lost the argument, and why you are bolloxed.
Make it easy on yourself my friend, just get used to eating Kebabs.
354: “To become an Australian citizen you have to give up your previous nationality”
Jul 13th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I've already stated, I'm not a naturalised Australian. I retain British citizenship but not full Australian citizenship (i.e., no voting rights etc), but have been an Australian resident for most of my life.
Quite a lot of British migrants who move to Australia eventually return to the UK to live. How do you think they can do this if they're no longer British citizens?
@dannyberger.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, right - the world is a very different place to 1956. So is the strategic situation.
The USA is'nt worried about the Soviets anymore and we are'nt reliant on US financial aid to stop us going under. WW3 is'nt a likely outcome of any armed conflict that your lot start.
The Falklands is seen as a matter of self defence and commands popular support whereas the Suez operation was a foreign adventure that did not.
Besides you pretty much reran Suez in 1982, but managing to get the USA to provide weaponry to the other side (us).
To trash your analogy even further I'd point out that if you're forced to try and get a bigger nation to try to kick us out, you've pretty much admitted that you know you can't.
As to your boasting about chinese weapons on other threads - go ahead and buy the stuff if you like.
The Chniese are still having problems integrating all the different foreign combat systems they have purchased on their warships and their fighters are still mostly copies of Russian designs. The more advanced aircraft are nowehere near being in service - and they may have qualms about selling them to an unstable regime that threatens war with a major trading partner in Europe.
@Car
So you hate British imperialism but you support Argentine imperialism?
Have you done a thorough reading of the background or are you just bashing the UK for the sake of it. No matter what else we do (or have done) on the world stage look at the situation based on it's actual background. The Argentines actually can't prove a valid, undisputable claim to the islands, and their plan in 1982 was to ethnically cleanse the place, kicking out all the islanders. Imagine that happening to you....................
They not a nice bunch really.
371 Car
Jul 13th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I should be careful if I were you, even SUGGESTING you might go back to the UK.
If we get to know who you really are we can arrange a great welcome for you at immigration.
How did your trip to Pakistan and the 'training camp' go? Then your trip to Afghanistan to set a few roadside bombs. Come on, you know you will not be able to deny it.
It will be strip-off and touch your toes before you know it.
Ha, ha, ha.
@279 Danny I think this is the only J20 you're going to get your hands on: http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-range/a-z/j20-ornage-and-passion-fruit
Jul 13th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0361 DanyBerger (#)
Jul 13th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@briton
I don’t go anywhere mate. And you?
Btw where will you go after the departure from Europe? Ha ha
you lost me,
i dont remember a comment for moving, please remind me
Car ...is Aussie sunshine..troll pretending to be a Brit, nice slant to come from a former colony it amazes me how they think it up. it's text book like British k..all invented trolls. Brain dead a child could plan it better.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@371
Jul 13th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Car You have still failed to answer my questions and the questions of previous commentators, what are you afraid of?
Why don't you all go find a job, join some activist group, pass some quality time with your children, something, anything that will help your country out of the quagmire instead of passing the day commenting on some islands whose fate will impact your lives not in the least? Have shame, Britards.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Haters
Jul 14th, 2012 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hallo!
Why so many hatred in your hearts mates?
What happened boys? Didn’t you like the music?
So Let's try with this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shq39kWglZ4
Auf Wiedersehen
The paranoia over posters' nationality in this forum is genuinely startling. Do you really live such insular lives that you actually think opposition to Britain's occupation of the Malvinas is a “rare” position for someone to hold, unless they're actually Argentinian? Support for Argentina on this issue is universal amongst the international Left, and outside of Britain you won't find many conservatives who have much sympathy for Britain's position, either.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for ChrisR's threats, the fact that Britain is indeed now the stamping ground of violent, BNP-voting chavs like yourself, is definitely contributing to the ever-increasing numbers of Britons deciding to emigrate. And no, they're not wanting to move to the Malvinas.
@380Car,
Jul 14th, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well they wouldn't be able to emigrate to the “malvinas”, because such a place does not exist.
l couldn't care less about your nationality m. car.
You don't live here so your opinion is completely irrelevent.
l think ChrisR regards you as a traitor.
lf you are a British citizen then l regard you as a traitor also.
A traitor is one of the lowest forms of life.
l have more respect for an Argentine who wants to conquer my country & evict me than l do for a British traitor.
Oh how morally uplifting it is for you, to sit comfortably in your peaceful home, half a world away & pass judgement on a people & a situation that you obviously know nothing about.
Do you feel all warm & fuzzy insides.
You do realise that your new friends killed at least 30,000 of their own citizens just 30 years ago.
Fine caring, upstanding people aren't they?
You should hide your face in shame.
@380 - Car
Jul 14th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0From your post I can only assume that you have never been to the UK, because your post is full of stereotyped bollocks. I also doubt quite strongly that you are Australian too.
You are a racist, Car, who has decided that everything British is wrong, so the other side must be right no matter what evidence is produced.
This is where you are WRONG, Mr 'I'm British, honest!' Car.
Try reading up on the Falklands issue (there is no such place as the 'Malvinas'). If you do, you will see that Argentinas whole Soveignty claims are based upon blatant lies.
But you know that already, my La Campora friend, don't you?
You blame the British people of today for things that happened decades if not century's before they were born, but the Argentines, including the original Spanish conquistadors who wiped out entire civilisations in South Anerica are completely innocent of all their ancestors misdeeds in your eyes. Hypocrite and liar, a good combination to be. Your mother must be so proud of you - not.
@isolde.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with people like car is that they feel that they have the moral high ground to sell you and the other islanders out, just so they can get that left wing internationalist fuzzy warm feeling.
They are on a par with people like Kim Philby. People like that are usually alienated “intelectual snobs” who feel superior to the average person and thus know better than they do.
For Kim Philby - he liked selling us out because he thought that communism was they way forward - Gulags and all. Us proles simply did'nt “get it” that it was better than democracy, so we would have to have it forced upon us.
They believe that their country is wrong without even looking at the facts. Because your home is a legacy from the days of empire they hate you and your way of life. They hate your patriotism and determination to resist foreign overlordship.
Because they want to cry about the “bad old days” they will sell you out or even actively support invasion or forced eviction.
They won't even look at the relative weakness of the Argentine claim. They are stuck in the 1950s - banging on about the “evil British empire”. They will simply gloss over any faults in Argentina's argument because we are going to be automatically wrong on this issue as we would be on ANY global issue from their point of view.
The Argentines could be shooting the falklanders in batches then dumping them into the sea from helicopters and it would be “your fault”.
They could blow any major UK city of the map in an unproked attack and it would be “a blow against imperialism, you deserved it”.
I agree with you that people like that are low life.
All I can say to car was that I am glad Philby died alone and disapointed in his beloved USSR. I hope you face some closer aggressor ,like China, bearing down on your home - they're left wing socialist brothers too...............
Thank you for your support, shb.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, you people seem genuinely ignorant of the massive global support for Argentina's claim to the Malvinas. Even British pop stars performing in Argentina have happily declared their support. You live in a little BNP Wonderland where British imperialism is still socially acceptable to normal, intelligent people. This is not the case and hasn't been since the 1930s.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@385
Jul 14th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Again, you people seem genuinely ignorant of the massive global support for Argentina's claim to the Malvinas.”
You seem to be unaware of basic human rights under the UN Charter.
“You live in a little BNP Wonderland where British imperialism is still socially acceptable to normal, intelligent people”
And you support Argentinian Imperialism so that makes you a hypocrite.
There is no British Imperialism as since 1982 several constitutional changes in the FI have led to more autonomy from the UK. That is the opposite of Imperialism which is empire/land grabbing.
If the Falkland Islanders wanted to become Argentine, then the UK would not stand in their way, that has been stated and is the opposite of Imperialism.
If the Islands were governed entirely from the UK and no notice taken of the inhabitants born on the islands, that would =imperialism.
Argentina wanting to annex the islands aginst the wishes of the native inhabitants=Imperialism.
The support Argentina has in the world is dependent on lies it told the UN in the 1960s by fabricating innacurate historical details.
If Morrissey and Roger Waters bothered to research history they would realise what prats they have made of themselves.
Where is this massive global support for Argentina's Imperialist claim on the Falklands??????????
Syria? Iran? Venuezuela? Angola?
Who else-please provide evidence.
@386 Absolutely right. Unfortunately the developed world has a surplus of semi-educated, ignorant, self-righteous, leftist, hypocritical, racist wankers like 'car'. Discussing anything that doesn't fit with their utopian fantasies is pointless. In fact discussing anything at all with that type is pointless.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@386/387
Jul 14th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Mr Car certainly is rather hypocritical regarding colonialism however he still fails to answer any questions that I asked him instead he branded me as racist, imperialist etc, without actually providing evidence.
mr carr is argentine, unless he can prove otherwise.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course he does not have to prove anything,
so argentine he will remain.
#389 “mr carr is argentine, unless he can prove otherwise”
Jul 14th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guilty until proven innocent is it? Of course I don't see being Argentine as being a crime, but you...
“Of course I don't see being Argentine as being a crime”
Jul 14th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TBH argentines don't see argentines committing crimes as being crimes. It's always the fault of the victims/anyone else when restitution time comes.
390
Jul 14th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as always you support the unsupportable,
still as it WAS you that mentioned being argentine is a crime,
we will leave it to you to say sorry to your addopted one .
@390 B_K,
Jul 14th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you support mr/mrs/miss/ms car?
Why do you want to see our country conquered by a foreign power?
Having the hots for the night hag is no valid reason.
Are you really Scottish? l now doubt that. Other Scots here have said that you are not.
So are you just a troll or are you an Argentine?
lf mr car is British then he is not even worth contempt.
lf he is Argentine, then why is he pretending to be British?
You pair are an unsavoury duo.
You would sell us down the river & steal our land & OUR resources.
M.Car, please tell us all, exactly who supports Argentina's ridiculous “claims”.
And stop making silly assumptions.(1920's were better than the 1930's!).
@392 briton,
Well spotted, that man. Right on, brother.
@carr
Jul 14th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EERRRR: WRONG AGAIN.
When challenged you resort to the final bastion of the extreme left winger - the “you are a racist” slur.
Thats the way to shut down any criticism - a rather pathetic emotional squeal that shows that you truly look down on others who don't share your enthusiasm for being put under the boot of another country, or support those who resist oppression.
The Falklanders just “don't get it” either do they Car?
I never voted BNP, and most people in the UK who supported the Falklanders don't either.
The falklanders are backed by the vast majority of people in the UK.
If you are relying on the intellectual might of Sean Penn and co to do your geo-political and moral thinking for you, you must be a fool. Go watch “team america” to see what I think of celebrity diplomacy.
In addition a facist organisation like the BNP is anathema to myself. My sisters godparents come from Jamiaca - they're a lovely, hard working bunch who earned every penny they ever had. Some of my best mates are Hindu Indians - generous to a fault. Try another squeal Car, the last one does'nt wash.
I echo Pete Bog - if you want to align yourself with the likes of Syria and Iran - go ahead, they are fine examples of progressive thought are'nt they?
You live in a wonderland yourself, a far left wonderland where the likes of Argentina can do no wrong.
@shb
Jul 15th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The falklanders are backed by the vast majority of people in the UK.”
Lie, seems you have ever been in Britain none cares.
Another fake statement to make sir? or are you gonna say that you are relative of Bob Marley?
BTW Could you be loved? Ha ha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i-gcWdBUb8
You “white racist English and BNP member” until you can probe the contrary, sorry rules seem to be like this in this forum.
@395 - Dany
Jul 15th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is your proof that shb lies?
It is you who doesn't know anything about Britain. The majority of people in Britain support the right to self-determination for the Falklanders.
Remember when the Welsh told you Argentinians to 'get stuffed' when you tried to get them to support your erroneous claims? I can also guarantee that the Scottish, Irish and English take this view too.
When you and Car bring up the BNP it shows how little you actually know of Britain (incidentally this is how we KNOW Car is not British as he claims to be).
In the last general election, the BNP were rejected by the people of Britain, losing the few seats they had in parliament, not gaining anything, and in many cases losing their deposits.
They are a spent organisation, a dinosaur that has become extinct, because of their racist views.
But none of this has anything to do with this story.
This story, like so much that this Argentine government spouts, is a fairy tale meant to believed by people like you Dany, gullible people who don't think for themselves.
Even with this new military pact with Venezula (another 'nice' friend for Argentina along with China, Iran, Syria and Angola - all with dubious human rights records), you still can't threaten the Falklands.
The rest of South America don't give a sh!t about Argentina's colonialist agenda, except that while you're whinging on about the Falklands, you are leaving them alone.
They make a few cooing noises at you, and you all get excited because you think that means they support you, when in fact they laugh at how easily manipulated your government is.
Even countries outside of South America have cottoned on to this. For instance China says 'we support you over the Falkands', you government gets dewy eyed and then agrees to anything the Chinese want.
Your government whores your country for a few insincere words from dictators and human rights abusers around the world. How proud you must all be of this fact.
TWIMC
Jul 15th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0While waiting for the game-changing (X my fingers) negative (X my fingers) results of BOR’s Stebbing Exploration Well, I couldn’t avoid noticing a new, interesting prescence in here………
A British citizen of Ukrainian/English descent, born in Reading, Berkshire and living in Tasmania:........... “Mr. Car”
He appears at (129) with a quite harsh definition of the British people……
At his next harsh but fair post (144) he says he lives in Tasmania!
(I luuuuuv Tasmania and I luuuuv Mary Donaldson :-)
Nearly instantly the ” British Turnip Team” began to work on him…..
“You are lying”, they say…
“You are a Troll”, they say…
“You are a Racist”, they say…
“You are an Argie”, they say…
“You are a Traitor”, they say….
“You are a Commie”, they say…
“You are not British”, they say….
“You mind your own business”, they say…
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc…
But his posts keep getting better and better...........
(See: 165, 170, 176, 188, 195, 199, 209, 214(especially good one), 299, 342, 345, 347(another excellent one), 380(says it all, really), 385…….)
His well formulated, polite and intelligent posts even managed to irritate our Young Resident Papuan/Russian/British Squatter-Kelperette Enchantress; ”Ms Isolde”….
Needless to say, I like this poster!
Hopes he continues posting….
Chuckle chuckle©
@dannyberger -aka total muppet.
Jul 15th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am as English as Bombardier bitter. I live in the West Midlands - more specifically the black country near Dudley (DUD - LAY ....yes I know all the other brits are now imagining the accent).
Most people don't go around constantly banging on about the Falklands, but the vast majority of people I know are worried about the run down of our armed forces at a time when your lot are becoming more aggressive. One of my best mates (who is quite liberal in his views about other countries and even has nothing against Argentina) stated recently that your country was just waiting until we were at our weakest before trying something.
Just because you listen to the likes of Galloway (a coimplete twat in my opinion) does'nt mean we all like you or support you occupying the Falklands. You underestimate our resolve to resist foreign invaders and aggressors, because thats what you are.
Foreign adventures like Iraq and Suez lack the same level of support as fighting someone like you wantying to stick the jackboot in against our own people. What a surprise, hey......
The rest of your post just made me laugh, coming from someone who has a pathological obsession with isalm and kebabs, ha ha ha.
Where you chewing the carpet at the time?
My oh my - herr doktor think has risen from the tomb.
Cross your fingers a long time “think”. F*** all is going to happen.
His definition of the English is more appropriate to Argentina anyhow.
These people - the Argentines- are not very nice, to put it mildly. They are exactly as you'd expect them to be, from reading mercopress: a nation of thieving shopkeepers and thieving shoplifters. A nation of sad little thieves.
Hide your wives & daughters(or is it husbands & sons!) mighty Blunt Axe, the defiling Dane has returned. Hallo Think, was beginning to think you'd abandoned us.
Jul 15th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt doesn't matter how crude or unfactual a piece may be, if its singing the malvinista song, Think will describe it as :-
“well formulated, polite & intelligent” or some other such rot.
M.Car has not brought even one fact to this forum to prove Argentina's “claims”.
lts just his biased opinions.
What was so earth-shattering about his latest effort, Think?
Just accuse people of being “racist”.
Where have l said anything racist?
Then go on to accuse people of voting for the BNP.
Has the idiot got proof of this?
Even if any of this is true, whats it got to do with us resisting Argentine colonial aggression?
Really, Think, you'll have to do better than this.
lf he is British, then of course we don't like him because of his views & of course he is a traitor.
l seem to remember you, yourself doubting the credentials of Argentines who didn't support your malvinistic aims.
Actually his posts don't keep getting any better at all.
As l said, nothing new.
And FYI, M.Think, it was the NG part of PNG, not Papua.
Told you that before.
Listen when lsolde Memsahib speaks!
@214 You are such an a*se. Presumably through living the greater part of your life under a eucalyptus tree. But then every wannabe aussie I've ever met has had a couple of attributes. They're uneducated and they left their own countries because they couldn't make it there. Always worth remembering that “ex-pat” rhymes with “rat”. Presumably you went to Australia because you thought you'd meet up with the last lot we sent there. The convicts.
Jul 15th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyhow, I realise that this will be difficult for you as you live in such a lawless place, perhaps you could discuss the legal rights of Britain and the cesspit (argieland) to the Falkland Islands. Until you can do so, you should keep your opinions to yourself as you just appear to be spouting cesspit propaganda.
So
Jul 15th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To sum all this up then,
Including the contribution form [TWIMC ]
We can conclude that this IS
Another British nail, in the argentine coffin,
Can we not .lol.
.
@401 Briton
Jul 15th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bags bringing the hammer.
Especially if 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief is put in it first.
LOL
@danny-quorn burger.
Jul 15th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What no comeback?
No more stupid assertions?
No more “go eat kebabs” comments?
Anyway - you know f*** all about my life and friends other than what I have posted here - and why would I make up details like Jamaican friends? If I hated black people as much as you seen to have an obsession with Muslims I could post all the crap I like, with no fear of comeback.
I really enjoyed their wedding anniversary a few years back, at a hotel over by Runaway bay. Being a brit and therefor a curry officiando I have to say that goat curry is a personal favorite, being introduced to it at a young age, while they lived over here.
Why don't you now make some further daft comment about bob marley.....
Has'nt car gone quiet, perhaps he is working himself up to justify the eviction of the falklanders from their homes again. Thats the crux of comment 214.
No one is stealing anything from Argentina - they could have shared, they chose not to. They want it all, and would crush the islanders to get it.
If car is a true internationalsit would he be prepared to help out those islanders kicked out of their homes by Argentina if it gained control of the islands? perhaps he has a spare room? Or do they “deserve” to be punished by the Argentinians for the (imagined) sind of their fathers.
Oh great car, speak unto us unworthy lower beings.
@402 ChrisR,
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0l like your description of Think, “Turnip-in-Chief”.
With your permission l will use it when answering the “Chief Squatter of the Andes” from now on.
LOL
#393 In my actual comment I was “defending” Car from the “you're and Argie!” canard that I've had as well. As Danny put it “You “white racist English and BNP member” until you can probe the contrary, sorry rules seem to be like this in this forum”!
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@LEPRecon
Jul 16th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is you who doesn't know anything about Britain. The majority of people in Britain support the right to self-determination for the Falklanders.”
The majority of people as you say can hardly point where the Islands are in a map. Simple don’t care.
The Irish? Take a look how nice song they have done over the Falklands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnMWE__LCU
ha ha
@ shb
Ha ha! Have you already made your catharsis?
Ok lets see...
“but the vast majority of people I know are worried about the run down of our armed forces at a time when your lot are becoming more aggressive”
Yeap! As you say just the “majority of people that you know” how many people can you know? at least you are like “Roberto Carlos” Brazilian who have made a song called “I want to have a million friends” I don’t see how can you archive much success.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnMWE__LCU
Ok I got it you don’t like Brother BOB lets see if I match your taste with Jimmy.
You can sing this song when “The Harder They Come” and you will there alone defending the Islands may be CaMoron as has no money to buy weapons can provide you a good guitar. Ha ha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnMWE__LCU
@British_Kirchnerist
Rule #2 Every body is a liar until can probe the contrary
Rule #3 You don't know Britain until you pass the “LEPRecon” test.
Rule #4 You cannot be British if you don't agree with the “Imperialist Haters”
Rule #5 You have not any clue about weapons until “ChrisRambo” says otherwise.
© DannyBerger & co
More rules coming up soon... : )
#406
Jul 16th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Catchy tune by the Wolftones but a load of ballocks if you think the Irish republic will back Argentina. Let us see, the UK is helping them keep afloat and millions of them or their descendants live or work in the UK
There is also another part of Ireland called Ulster who are more pro the UK than the people on the mainland.
Can you explain your comment at Rule 4
This uses a double negative. Who are the “Imperialist haters”. I would assume that this is anyone who hates the UK i.e. Argies and BK.
So, as double negatives cancel themselves out this should read
You can be British if you agree with the “Imperialist Haters”
Substitute the synonym for imperialists as Britain and you now have
“you can be British if you agree with the British haters”
A novel concept. Is that what you meant to say ?
Ireland. Lol.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonderfully fitting that Argentina would like greater co-operation with that bunch of Nazi-collaborating pikeys.
June 2012 South Georgia News and Events:
Jul 16th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Potential BAS Merger With National Oceanography Centre
- White Paper: The Overseas Territories
- Shaking It Up
- Fishing And Shipping News
- Profile Of An Aerial Rat Exterminator
- Shackleton Expedition Support Ship Announced
- Is Bird Island Really Like That?
- Bird Island Diary
- South Georgia Snippets
http://www.sgisland.gs/index.php/(h)South_Georgia_News_and_Events
http://www.sgisland.gs/index.php/(h)South_Georgia_News_and_Events
@danny berger
Jul 16th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ANSWER _ more than you do.................being as I actually live here.
You, of course, can go on believing the CFK and co propaganda about us just rolling over and prepared to give up, it won't make it true.
Not taking the Falklands over any time soon are you, really. No sign of talks, no sign of surrender, no sign of the islanders buckling, no sign of the garrison withdrawing or even being reinforced. Still enough money to do that, forever at the current rate, ha ha.
Sort of business as normal - with your lot blowing a lot of hot air and actually being totally impotent to actually do anything to change the stauts quo, ha ha.
No sign of the threatened court action against companies working the oilfields either, ha ha.
How does it feel to be on the losing side?
Get used to that feeling, it will be with you to the grave.............
As to Hendrix I prefer “all around the watchtower”.
402 ChrisR (#)
Jul 16th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed
He thinks to give the impression of his academic experiences.
But as usual it ends up as an anti turnip raid .
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Meanwhile the anti raciest argentines, who definitely deplore the very uttered word,
Thus proceeds to utter the very same words against the brits,
We call this hypercrit, and twofaced,
After is it not fair to say, it takes one to know one,
And eye know no one . tickle tickle laugh laugh .
.just a innocent thought .
404 lsolde Permission granted! :o)
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0406 DunniBurger aka 'Mr. Blobby' ha, ha, ha
Rule #5 You have not any clue about weapons until “ChrisRambo” says otherwise.
I most certainly agree with this rule as it applies principally to you and the other liar, The Turnip In Chief.
Correction to 410.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was thinking of Jimmy Hendrix instead of Jimmy cliff - so I did'nt look at the song until later.
danny bergers song applies to Argentina. They are the only ones coming on at us and the harder they come, the harder they indeed fall - lets all spend a minute thinking about Timmerman's moronic car crash in the UN....................
Have a look at the lyrics:
The argies are the aggressors here and many of the falklanders have stated they would rather die than be under their boot.
Oh yeah, but oh yeah, oh yeah, alright
Well, they tell me of a pie up in the sky Waiting for me when I die
But between the day you're born and when you die They never seem to hear even your cry
So as sure as the sun will shineI'm gonna get my share now, what's mineAnd then the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and allOoh, the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and all
Well, the oppressors are tryin' to keep me downTryin' to drive me underground
And they think that they have got the battle wonI say forgive them Lord, they know not what they've done
'Cause as sure as the sun will shineI'm gonna get my share now, what's mine
And then the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and allOoh, the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and all
Oh yeah yeah, well, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
But I'll keep on fighting for the things I want
Though I know that when you're dead you can't
But I'd rather be a free man in my graveThen living as a puppet or a slave
So as sure as the sun will shineI'm gonna get my share right now, what's mine
And then the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and allOoh, the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and all
Hey, the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and all Hey, the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and allHey, the harder they come, the harder they'll fall, one and all
Thanks for the anthem Danny, very helpful...........
@shb
Jul 17th, 2012 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot assure you a bright future mate. Ha ha
You didn’t see the movie right?
Jimmy Cliff plays the role of “Ivan” based on a real life of a Jamaican criminal (RhyGing) AKA rude wild boy.
And in the end he was shot to death.
Full movie here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6I4xBThOY
LOL
@406
Jul 17th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Danny I have many Irish friends who equate Argentine threats to the Falkland Islanders and the 82 invasion to when the British occupied Ireland.
Those in Ireland who disagree with my friends( who think that self-determination is the overriding principle), could always persuade the Irish armed forces to sail to the South Atlantic and help Argentina, to add to Syria, Iran, Venuezuela, Angola etc etc get decimated in a turkey shoot.
William got Browned off with Argentina and retired to County Mayo in Ireland where he is slowly decomposing
Jul 17th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Danny berger - have'nt seen the film, - I just liked the lyrics of the song.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW - you still won't ever get your hands on the falklands.............
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