Former Brazilian president Fernando Enrique Cardoso said that his country is rapidly loosing influence in South America to Venezuela, following on remarks about the suspension of Paraguay from Mercosur. Read full article
Keep in mind that President Cardoso was a neoliberal, following a model that led Brazil to the privatization, loss of employment and technological development by the closure of industries and education. Cardoso was always envious of Lula and Dilma, who pushed for the development of Brazil with the South American union to strengthen the region. (Cardoso, have inside)
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Hay que tener en cuenta que Cardoso fue un presidente neoliberal, que siguió un modelo que condujo a Brasil a la privatización, pérdida del empleo y del desarrollo tecnológico por el cierre de industrias y de la educación. Cardoso siempre se mostró envidioso de Lula y Dilma, que apostaron por el desarrollo de Brasil junto con la unión sudamericana para fortalecer a la región. Cardoso, la tenés adentro. (Cardoso la tiene adentro)
Come back Lula the pragmatist. All is forgiven BTW didnt the Brazilian Senate also oppose Chavez entry when he insulted them publically a year or two ago?
Mr. Cardoso is right. Brazil is a vast and diverse country and their foreign policy cannot be governed by limited boundaries of an outdated and bankrupted socialism. Brazil needs to assert its leadership in the region, put a stop to Chavez´s belligerent diplomacy and promote democratic values and modern developing industrial nations, open to trade, investments and global competition. If Brazil´s neighbors, Argentina, Paraguay, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador continue their populist frenzy of nationalizations, protectionism and irresponsible populism, Brazil will end up with a bunch of bankrupted and underdeveloped neighbors that will bring social and political instability to the region.
Cardoso couldn't be more right in this aspect. As I have mentioned before, I fear Mercosur will end as a failed and crippled club of neurotics:
Evo(Bolivia), Correa(Ecuador), Cristina(Argentina) and Hugito (Venezuela)
2 ElCuraF (#) MercoPress: You have less objectivity than the description of my beautiful face if it is described by my mother. What happens, you're nervous?
Rather a strange comment, MercoPress are publishing an interview with a former President of Brasil, where does nervous come into it?
Simon We were all nervous when Lula took power but he was a pragmatic presisdent who set Brazil on the road to economic success.Now we have Dilma and Cristina who dont like each other but both determined to push their economies over a cliff for idealogical political doctrines
You don't know anything about my country. Lula was very lucky, as Cardoso's legacy was a stable and promising economy. The privatisations were necessary, since many public companies had become parasitic dinosaurs. (Will leftists ever understand that the State is supposed to serve the citizen and not the other way around?) As to Brazilian public education, it remains one of the least efficient in the world. All of the more than fifty federal universities have been on strike since May 17. All of the private universities are functioning normally. Are you going to blame this on Cardoso?
Chavez's admission will destroy Mercosur and the reputation of any S.American organisation of which he is a member. He brings no credibility and uses all organisations to further his aggressive agenda.
Brazil is well capable of standing on its own two feet in South America, independent of all the other South American states. I am surprised it has not done, but has thrown its hat into the ring with less advanced nations such as Venezuala and Argentina.
Brazil has made a serious MISTAKE in permitting Venezuala into Mercosur ... and will rue the day it did so. Brazilian diplomacy appears to have been wrongly influenced as diplomatic information to the executive was tainted with 'internal diplomatic leftist leanings' resulting in the removal of some top officials. All this aside, the responsibility lies with the Brazilian President who appears somewhat removed from proceedings at times ... where is the democratic accountability in that?
The problems Chavez will bring mercosur (and the problems CFK is creating for Argentina) have a positive side for Chile. Obviously the best thing for Chile is a stable and growing region, but if mercosur prefers protectionism and low productivity we can still find the advantage in the situation.
It is really quite funny, both Dany B and Pirat-H applaud Hugo et al because they think it will annoy the Brits on this thread, not realizing that in fact the introduction of Hugito to Mercosur is a blessing in disguise for the Falklanders in that he will cause so much pain to Argentina that Kretina will have her work cut out to survive the crash!!!!!!!
Cardoso is irrelevant. Lula and Rousseff have been infinitely more successful than Cardoso, whose racist facial expressions about orientals made in public do not endear him to the Brazilian public or the world. As for the Falklanders--they give themselves too much importance-the world does not even know where they are located-especially as the British people did not support the Falklands war; preferring to use their Gurkha mercenaries who they have been mistreated within Britain.
Cardoso is just a bitter old man, annoyed that he is no longer on the right side of history and struggling to understand the solidarity of the left leaders foreign and domestic that he despises. His party is Social Democratic in name only
necons are libtards on steriods. It seems some useful idiots here don't understand that. The only thing Mr Cardosso is right about is that Brazil should decriminalize using of soft drugs.
“The problems Chavez will bring mercosur (and the problems CFK is creating for Argentina) have a positive side for Chile”
Good for Chile so.
“Obviously the best thing for Chile is a stable and growing region, but if mercosur prefers protectionism and low productivity we can still find the advantage in the situation”
Good for you then...
@Simon68
Venezuela is good for business especially for Brazil and Argentina they import a lot of stuff formally form US now will start to flow from Mercosur. Venezuela GDP is about 375 bn 34th in the world and bigger than Austria, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Norway, Peru, Chile, Singapore, etc.
Venezuela holds the bigger probed reserves of oil in the West and 60% of it exports go to US what represent more than 25% of the imported oil in US.
So no having Venezuela as a puppet of US represent a problem to them but not for Mercosur because they fear that Hugo can anytime soon cut exports to US if he finds another market.
The Neocons & multi are trying to isolate Venezuela since Bush era now any attempt to do something in Venezuela would be a direct aggression over Mercosur.
So stop worrying for nothing at least you are a friend of Otto?
Are you? because you seem to be.
@ Fido Dido
“The only thing Mr Cardosso is right about is that Brazil should decriminalize using of soft drugs.”
I guess he has some friends in US just planned the delivery from Miami and in US dollars, ha ha
Dany,
So no having Venezuela as a puppet of US represent a problem to them but not for Mercosur because they fear that Hugo can anytime soon cut exports to US if he finds another market.
Venezuela sells oil to the US because the US is their best customer.
Venezuela being in mercosur will not change that.
The funny think about Chavito is... he has made his country the most dependent country of the US in the whole region. Over 90% exports go the US and indirectly finance the Huguito, still they are the devil ;D
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Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just think as a strategic balance matter...
MercoPress: You have less objectivity than the description of my beautiful face if it is described by my mother. What happens, you're nervous?
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OT:
MercoPress, estás más influenciado que mi mamá cuando aseguraba que mi cara es la más linda. Ponele onda loco, o estás nervioso?
Pick your friends carefully Brazil.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The true nature of South American unity. Yeah right, whatever.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep in mind that President Cardoso was a neoliberal, following a model that led Brazil to the privatization, loss of employment and technological development by the closure of industries and education. Cardoso was always envious of Lula and Dilma, who pushed for the development of Brazil with the South American union to strengthen the region. (Cardoso, have inside)
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OT:
Hay que tener en cuenta que Cardoso fue un presidente neoliberal, que siguió un modelo que condujo a Brasil a la privatización, pérdida del empleo y del desarrollo tecnológico por el cierre de industrias y de la educación. Cardoso siempre se mostró envidioso de Lula y Dilma, que apostaron por el desarrollo de Brasil junto con la unión sudamericana para fortalecer a la región. Cardoso, la tenés adentro. (Cardoso la tiene adentro)
Well according to mr Hektor
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no defence pact, no dictatorship,
So really Brazil then has nothing to worry about,
Sadly im not convinced,
Thank god we don’t have to live in the path of CFK .
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Come back Lula the pragmatist. All is forgiven BTW didnt the Brazilian Senate also oppose Chavez entry when he insulted them publically a year or two ago?
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Cardoso is right. Brazil is a vast and diverse country and their foreign policy cannot be governed by limited boundaries of an outdated and bankrupted socialism. Brazil needs to assert its leadership in the region, put a stop to Chavez´s belligerent diplomacy and promote democratic values and modern developing industrial nations, open to trade, investments and global competition. If Brazil´s neighbors, Argentina, Paraguay, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador continue their populist frenzy of nationalizations, protectionism and irresponsible populism, Brazil will end up with a bunch of bankrupted and underdeveloped neighbors that will bring social and political instability to the region.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Good analysis
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cardoso couldn't be more right in this aspect. As I have mentioned before, I fear Mercosur will end as a failed and crippled club of neurotics:
Jul 17th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Evo(Bolivia), Correa(Ecuador), Cristina(Argentina) and Hugito (Venezuela)
What a madhouse.... good luck, you sore losers!
loosing aaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Jul 17th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 02 ElCuraF (#) MercoPress: You have less objectivity than the description of my beautiful face if it is described by my mother. What happens, you're nervous?
Jul 17th, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rather a strange comment, MercoPress are publishing an interview with a former President of Brasil, where does nervous come into it?
Simon We were all nervous when Lula took power but he was a pragmatic presisdent who set Brazil on the road to economic success.Now we have Dilma and Cristina who dont like each other but both determined to push their economies over a cliff for idealogical political doctrines
Jul 17th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on JAM.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil don’t need all the problems that Venezuela and Argentina will bring them.
They should look for bilateral agreements with the EU/NAFTA and so on.
@5:
Jul 17th, 2012 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know anything about my country. Lula was very lucky, as Cardoso's legacy was a stable and promising economy. The privatisations were necessary, since many public companies had become parasitic dinosaurs. (Will leftists ever understand that the State is supposed to serve the citizen and not the other way around?) As to Brazilian public education, it remains one of the least efficient in the world. All of the more than fifty federal universities have been on strike since May 17. All of the private universities are functioning normally. Are you going to blame this on Cardoso?
Losing, not Loosing. Jeez...
Jul 17th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chavez's admission will destroy Mercosur and the reputation of any S.American organisation of which he is a member. He brings no credibility and uses all organisations to further his aggressive agenda.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil is well capable of standing on its own two feet in South America, independent of all the other South American states. I am surprised it has not done, but has thrown its hat into the ring with less advanced nations such as Venezuala and Argentina.
Brazil has made a serious MISTAKE in permitting Venezuala into Mercosur ... and will rue the day it did so. Brazilian diplomacy appears to have been wrongly influenced as diplomatic information to the executive was tainted with 'internal diplomatic leftist leanings' resulting in the removal of some top officials. All this aside, the responsibility lies with the Brazilian President who appears somewhat removed from proceedings at times ... where is the democratic accountability in that?
AH! the core of necons Imperialist hatters are afraid of der präsident Hugo.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0why they don't surprise me?...
Dany,
Jul 17th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am neither neocon nor afraid of Chavez.
The problems Chavez will bring mercosur (and the problems CFK is creating for Argentina) have a positive side for Chile. Obviously the best thing for Chile is a stable and growing region, but if mercosur prefers protectionism and low productivity we can still find the advantage in the situation.
Do you really approve of Chavez?
It is really quite funny, both Dany B and Pirat-H applaud Hugo et al because they think it will annoy the Brits on this thread, not realizing that in fact the introduction of Hugito to Mercosur is a blessing in disguise for the Falklanders in that he will cause so much pain to Argentina that Kretina will have her work cut out to survive the crash!!!!!!!
Jul 17th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cardoso is irrelevant. Lula and Rousseff have been infinitely more successful than Cardoso, whose racist facial expressions about orientals made in public do not endear him to the Brazilian public or the world. As for the Falklanders--they give themselves too much importance-the world does not even know where they are located-especially as the British people did not support the Falklands war; preferring to use their Gurkha mercenaries who they have been mistreated within Britain.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cardoso is just a bitter old man, annoyed that he is no longer on the right side of history and struggling to understand the solidarity of the left leaders foreign and domestic that he despises. His party is Social Democratic in name only
Jul 17th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear. Ex presidents. Best forgotten.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0necons are libtards on steriods. It seems some useful idiots here don't understand that. The only thing Mr Cardosso is right about is that Brazil should decriminalize using of soft drugs.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Condorito
Jul 18th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are the problem is that you are not aware of.
“The problems Chavez will bring mercosur (and the problems CFK is creating for Argentina) have a positive side for Chile”
Good for Chile so.
“Obviously the best thing for Chile is a stable and growing region, but if mercosur prefers protectionism and low productivity we can still find the advantage in the situation”
Good for you then...
@Simon68
Venezuela is good for business especially for Brazil and Argentina they import a lot of stuff formally form US now will start to flow from Mercosur. Venezuela GDP is about 375 bn 34th in the world and bigger than Austria, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Norway, Peru, Chile, Singapore, etc.
Lest say more than 10 times the size of Paraguay.
A little bit smaller than Sweden $379bn.
So stop consuming rotten fish from US propaganda made by Otto Reich.
http://www.ottoreich.com/www.ottoreichassociates.com/Home.html
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Venezuela holds the bigger probed reserves of oil in the West and 60% of it exports go to US what represent more than 25% of the imported oil in US.
So no having Venezuela as a puppet of US represent a problem to them but not for Mercosur because they fear that Hugo can anytime soon cut exports to US if he finds another market.
The Neocons & multi are trying to isolate Venezuela since Bush era now any attempt to do something in Venezuela would be a direct aggression over Mercosur.
So stop worrying for nothing at least you are a friend of Otto?
Are you? because you seem to be.
@ Fido Dido
“The only thing Mr Cardosso is right about is that Brazil should decriminalize using of soft drugs.”
I guess he has some friends in US just planned the delivery from Miami and in US dollars, ha ha
Dany,
Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So no having Venezuela as a puppet of US represent a problem to them but not for Mercosur because they fear that Hugo can anytime soon cut exports to US if he finds another market.
Venezuela sells oil to the US because the US is their best customer.
Venezuela being in mercosur will not change that.
The funny think about Chavito is... he has made his country the most dependent country of the US in the whole region. Over 90% exports go the US and indirectly finance the Huguito, still they are the devil ;D
Jul 21st, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of a love-hate story...
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