The Paraguayan government declared “illegal” and “null and void” the inclusion of Venezuela as a full member of Mercosur which was agreed on Tuesday during the extraordinary meeting held in Brasilia with the absence of Paraguay. Read full article
It's a genetic problem among some Paraguayans - ever since the age of Dictator Francia in the first half of the 19th century: Delusions and disorientation as to time and place.
Poor Paraguay, they seem to be struggling with the concept that if you want to be a player in the Cristina club, you have to play dirty and leave your objectivity at the door. The fork in the road has arrived. They can either go grovelling back cap in hand and take their punishment or they can align themselves with the pacific countries and the US. I hope they are courageous and tell turkey neck to shove it.
Paraguay should let the US build a base there, it'll protect them against Argentine and Venezulan imperial ambitions, whilst ta the same time giving the US a useful base in SA.
Now during the cold war there was the Berlin airlift, so if the rest of Mercosur continue to play dirty then we can have the Paraguyan airlift.
But Paraguay is right, Venezula isn't, by the rules of the Mercosur treaty, a full member, and shouldn't be treated as such.
But as you say when 3 of the 4 members start break the treaty, there's not much Paraguay can do.
I believe that Urugay will regret this decision, as will Brazil, but only time will tell.
I think it highly unlikely we would place a base there. However you are correct in the that Uruguay will regret their decision very soon. But at least Uruguay has a seaport for trade....Paraguay is stuck.
who does not know That behind the fall of former Paraguayan President That the United States? He Declined to put the U. S. base in Paraguay. Therefore and the United States toppled the president. The Other Mercosur Countries Therefore know this and did not accept the departure of Fernando Lugo. U. S. policy is the
the most dirty and nasty world. use the excuse of Bringing Democracy to other Countries, but in fact steal Their wealth. Look what Happened in Iraq and Therefore not do the same robbery in Syria because of the support of China and Russia to Bashar al-Assad. They say United States are fighting against terrorism, but Actually the biggest terrorist in the world They Are. They Trained who you think Bin Laden? the United States. who Knows who owns the petroleum company who works for the father of bin Laden? yes, bush family. the person who Knows Knows about politics the whole truth behind the idea of democracy of the United States. sorry my english.
Paraguay is correct in staying in the the trade block and continue to abide by the rules as were laid out. Eventually the dictators of CFK and Hugo Chavez will end, and as we have seen the opposition in both countries are against the incorporation of Venezuela without Paraguayan Senate approval. Ironically this is giving Paraguay good standing with most countries worldwide. Any person with an IQ of 90 and above now sees that there was no coup, and that if the impeachment wasn't done quickly, shit would have hit the fan with Hugo Chavez coming in for the rescue. It sounds funny, but Paraguay is the most democratically free country in Mercosur. Dilma has her socialist programs that keep everyone dependent on the state, and thus controls a huge portion of the votes. Pepe has openly expressed his views of the judicial system as coming second to politics. And CFK and Hugo need no mentioning.
Best thing for Paraguay right now is to sign as many free trade agreements with any country in the world willing to do so. Other countries should want to because Paraguay will be the doorway to the closed off Mercosur trade block. Also Paraguay doesn't export anything back of much value or competition so other countries can only benefit.
@3 Couple of points. I think you'll find that, in short order, it won't be the Cristina club. It will be the Hugo club. The second point is that objectivity isn't the only thing you have to leave at the door. You also have to leave: compliance with international law' democracy, honesty, honour, integrity, justice, principles, reason, truth. Have I missed any?
@4 Do you mean that Paraguay's only water route to the Atlantic is controlled by argieland? Doesn't UNCLOS require that land-locked countries HAVE to be given free access to the sea?
@9 Do you have any actual evidence? You know the stuff I mean. Actual FACTS that can be independently verified. Do you? Well, do you? Thought not. Just a fixated, xenophobic, conspiracy theorist!! Just as a matter of interest, are you an argie?
@10 Can't agree with you. For the time being, CFK is hampered by the constitutional rule that a president can only serve two consecutive terms. A rule I expect to see changed in the next 12 months. Even if it isn't changed, what's to stop her getting fat boy Maximo installed? The plan was for her to take turns with Nestor. That had to change when he croaked. (Or did she croak him? He used to smack her about, remember.) There is no limit to the number of terms for which Chavez can rule. Chavez is only 55. He could remain dictator for the next 20-25 years unless, hopefully, the Grim Reaper gets him first. No, Paraguay has to get out and, probably, join the Pacific Alliance. Then request that Chile allow it access to the Pacific and demand that Bolivia co-operates. Paraguay will not be forgiven by the Ugly Triplets. But the free trade agreements are fine. Start with Mexico and the United States.
Conqueror
All very valid points. While response top #3 is valid, the practical implications of it may be an entirely defintely concern. The UN is not taken seriously by any industrialized country in the world, until it is needed as a platfrom to make a case.
UNCLOS or not, I do not see any Mercosur country given Uruguay any access to seaways now that Mercosure went from Club Argentina to Club YouGo
#3 Are you kidding, the Paraguayan oligarchy are about as dirty as they get, its just they're in a very weak position stuck between the two beautiful left ladies and so far from the USA
We know letting Venezuela and Chavez in the back door was illegitimate, they know it's illegitimate. It was a stitch up, they got what they wanted. No point Paraguay complaining, they won't back down now they have what they want. KFC, and Chavez are bad news, Dilma's not much better. I know Chavez and KFC won't be around long, but there will be others of their ilk waiting in the wings. Paraguay should dump Mercosur and make trade and other alliances with the civilised world.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt's a genetic problem among some Paraguayans - ever since the age of Dictator Francia in the first half of the 19th century: Delusions and disorientation as to time and place.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it's null and void. But when 3 of 4 believe they do not have to follow the rules of a Political Club they made, nothing can be done.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Paraguay, they seem to be struggling with the concept that if you want to be a player in the Cristina club, you have to play dirty and leave your objectivity at the door. The fork in the road has arrived. They can either go grovelling back cap in hand and take their punishment or they can align themselves with the pacific countries and the US. I hope they are courageous and tell turkey neck to shove it.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The main problem that Paraguay has is that its only access to the Atlantic Ocean is controlled by Argentina.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are in a shit creek and no paddles. They have to stay in Mercosur
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel terribly sorry for the paraguayans... a new triple alliance (ARG,BRA,URU) has formed and backstabbed them AGAIN... history repeats.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 - Captain Poppy.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay should let the US build a base there, it'll protect them against Argentine and Venezulan imperial ambitions, whilst ta the same time giving the US a useful base in SA.
Now during the cold war there was the Berlin airlift, so if the rest of Mercosur continue to play dirty then we can have the Paraguyan airlift.
But Paraguay is right, Venezula isn't, by the rules of the Mercosur treaty, a full member, and shouldn't be treated as such.
But as you say when 3 of the 4 members start break the treaty, there's not much Paraguay can do.
I believe that Urugay will regret this decision, as will Brazil, but only time will tell.
I think it highly unlikely we would place a base there. However you are correct in the that Uruguay will regret their decision very soon. But at least Uruguay has a seaport for trade....Paraguay is stuck.
Aug 01st, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who does not know That behind the fall of former Paraguayan President That the United States? He Declined to put the U. S. base in Paraguay. Therefore and the United States toppled the president. The Other Mercosur Countries Therefore know this and did not accept the departure of Fernando Lugo. U. S. policy is the
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0the most dirty and nasty world. use the excuse of Bringing Democracy to other Countries, but in fact steal Their wealth. Look what Happened in Iraq and Therefore not do the same robbery in Syria because of the support of China and Russia to Bashar al-Assad. They say United States are fighting against terrorism, but Actually the biggest terrorist in the world They Are. They Trained who you think Bin Laden? the United States. who Knows who owns the petroleum company who works for the father of bin Laden? yes, bush family. the person who Knows Knows about politics the whole truth behind the idea of democracy of the United States. sorry my english.
Paraguay is correct in staying in the the trade block and continue to abide by the rules as were laid out. Eventually the dictators of CFK and Hugo Chavez will end, and as we have seen the opposition in both countries are against the incorporation of Venezuela without Paraguayan Senate approval. Ironically this is giving Paraguay good standing with most countries worldwide. Any person with an IQ of 90 and above now sees that there was no coup, and that if the impeachment wasn't done quickly, shit would have hit the fan with Hugo Chavez coming in for the rescue. It sounds funny, but Paraguay is the most democratically free country in Mercosur. Dilma has her socialist programs that keep everyone dependent on the state, and thus controls a huge portion of the votes. Pepe has openly expressed his views of the judicial system as coming second to politics. And CFK and Hugo need no mentioning.
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best thing for Paraguay right now is to sign as many free trade agreements with any country in the world willing to do so. Other countries should want to because Paraguay will be the doorway to the closed off Mercosur trade block. Also Paraguay doesn't export anything back of much value or competition so other countries can only benefit.
@3 Couple of points. I think you'll find that, in short order, it won't be the Cristina club. It will be the Hugo club. The second point is that objectivity isn't the only thing you have to leave at the door. You also have to leave: compliance with international law' democracy, honesty, honour, integrity, justice, principles, reason, truth. Have I missed any?
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Do you mean that Paraguay's only water route to the Atlantic is controlled by argieland? Doesn't UNCLOS require that land-locked countries HAVE to be given free access to the sea?
@9 Do you have any actual evidence? You know the stuff I mean. Actual FACTS that can be independently verified. Do you? Well, do you? Thought not. Just a fixated, xenophobic, conspiracy theorist!! Just as a matter of interest, are you an argie?
@10 Can't agree with you. For the time being, CFK is hampered by the constitutional rule that a president can only serve two consecutive terms. A rule I expect to see changed in the next 12 months. Even if it isn't changed, what's to stop her getting fat boy Maximo installed? The plan was for her to take turns with Nestor. That had to change when he croaked. (Or did she croak him? He used to smack her about, remember.) There is no limit to the number of terms for which Chavez can rule. Chavez is only 55. He could remain dictator for the next 20-25 years unless, hopefully, the Grim Reaper gets him first. No, Paraguay has to get out and, probably, join the Pacific Alliance. Then request that Chile allow it access to the Pacific and demand that Bolivia co-operates. Paraguay will not be forgiven by the Ugly Triplets. But the free trade agreements are fine. Start with Mexico and the United States.
Conqueror
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All very valid points. While response top #3 is valid, the practical implications of it may be an entirely defintely concern. The UN is not taken seriously by any industrialized country in the world, until it is needed as a platfrom to make a case.
UNCLOS or not, I do not see any Mercosur country given Uruguay any access to seaways now that Mercosure went from Club Argentina to Club YouGo
#3 Are you kidding, the Paraguayan oligarchy are about as dirty as they get, its just they're in a very weak position stuck between the two beautiful left ladies and so far from the USA
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK you're like a pebble in a shoe.
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 014
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd say it's more like your shoe in the pebbles...
We know letting Venezuela and Chavez in the back door was illegitimate, they know it's illegitimate. It was a stitch up, they got what they wanted. No point Paraguay complaining, they won't back down now they have what they want. KFC, and Chavez are bad news, Dilma's not much better. I know Chavez and KFC won't be around long, but there will be others of their ilk waiting in the wings. Paraguay should dump Mercosur and make trade and other alliances with the civilised world.
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only thing that is null and void is the Paraguayan oligarchy's outbursts, just watch and see :)
Aug 02nd, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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