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Cristina Fernandez support eroding but no rivals on sight to challenge her

Friday, August 3rd 2012 - 08:11 UTC
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The positive image of Argentine president Cristina Fernandez has dropped 25 points and now stands at 40% after having reached 65% when her re-election last October according to an opinion poll from consultants Management & Fit. Read full article


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  • Captain Poppy

    The Botox Bitch will find some way toss crumbs to the people and they will love her again the short term. Then she will change to constitution and win another election. You do not have democracy when one exploits the laws and the constitution. But the RG's got what they asshole with lips.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • wesley mouch

    Most people voted for her or her policies. I think the results will be deserved. I have empathy for the minority that knew this would happen buy got dragged along. Hopefully they can buy dollars and get their money out of the country. Instead of Uruguay how about moving assets to Paraguay?

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Pay no attention to these “popularity” polls. As the consultants point out, such ratings are “volatile”. If CFK can find something popular, the brain-dead argie population will “forget” what they “thought” the previous week.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Sounds like my fellow americans, just not to the same level.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    a dictatership in full swing .

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Old photo. She''s not in black. What a manipulative slag she is. And what's happened to BK? Has he finally managed to climb up her alien colon?

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I read that botox bitch never wears that same outfit twice and she dresses to be sexy (in her mind anyway). What a leader

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    Venezuela and Argentina seem to share a lot of things in common, political drought is one of them. When you're good at what you do competitions is hard to come by.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    1 Captain Poppy (#)

    I'm afraid you're probably right, Captain, but every time she does it the aproval ratings are slightly lower.
    Our problem is that there is no opposition leader that can take advantage of her loss of popularity.
    The opposition here, instead of making a united front to this criminal group, are all out for their own benefit, what we need desperately is one patriot who puts the country first, but I'm not going to hold my breathe waiting!!!!!

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I truly feel aweful for the good people of Argentina and there AREW good people in Argentina. I know that personally. But something needs to be done....they are doing it in the middle east, you need to do it there.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @10 exactly.

    When it seems that there is no hope a point of critical mass is reached and you get an Arab Spring. Revolutions are often unexpected.

    What will it take?
    - A severe drawn out economic crisis?
    - obvious benefits of neighbours becoming more democratic, stable and thus richer?
    - access to information technology?
    - etc

    Ultimately its about realising that democracy should be the focus not nationalism. The culture of corruption and short termism needs to be wholy intolerated as it should be in any country. Collective responsibility for making a change for the better. No excuses.

    If peronism -an oppressive manipulative political system derived mostly from failed European fascism of 1930s Europe- is to survive then Argentina will have to become more and more isolated and peronism will have to become more and more like a religion as is the system in North Korea. Otherwise I really cant see it surviving more than 20 years more.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    11 Tobers (#)

    Oh dear! Do you seriously think that the peronist plague will really last for 20 years?
    That's it then, I'll never see true democracy!!!!

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    20 years is my guess as its latest sell-by-date. But thats just my opinion.
    The revolution could easily happen next year! Keep the faith.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I do not think Peronism will last another 20 years at all. But will be a puppet country of China

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KFC de Pollo

    she attacks anyone who may possibly be the opposition including people in her own party.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The Military needs to say fusk it....and take over.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mrlayback

    anyone care to guess what is going on in Jujuy at the moment !??

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Harry Stamper

    Eroding at a great rate, only going to get worse

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SussieUS

    The argentine leader has a good taste in clothes and hairstyle like my hero Eva Peron. She looks young and healthy!
    WOMEN regardless of any economic status and age should look always the best.
    Can any of you name other politician as beautiful as she is?

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    19 SussieUS


    Ha, ha, ha.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    The more you guys moan and cry, the more convinced I am that Cristina is on the right track. You guys deal marked cards and point fingers when people cheat... What's wrong? You don't approve of the rules you came up with yourselves?

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Top 20 world leaders....and botox lips christina is there. There are five much better that colon lips

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @19 Once again you demonstrate your backward upbringing. Anyone wishing to experience time travel should visit Argentina where it is still 1950 regarding women's equality.

    It DOES NOT MATTER what a leader of a country looks like. He/she should be judged on her abilities as a politician and leader, not on how much money is spent on designer clothes and plastic surgery. Humpf. And based on that criteria she is a complete failure.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    #10 don't feel sad for us we elected a great leader who represents the working class not the gun lobby or bankers.
    #11 the austerity measures in europe seem to be more of a cause for a revolution then Argentina elected leaders, I am sure that a bank dictatorships can't be better then national policy.
    #12 sure you will, there is a new democracy in Afghanistan, iraq and Libya, there might even be one in Libya if CIA, mossad and MI6 can finish arming the terrorists.
    #13 I have faith and the day we get the weapons we can start executing all the none latin americans first. Maybe then people will get the message.
    #14 you mean we will be trading with China and yes we will.
    #15 she leads by example, every traitor needs To be rooted out, I am sure many Argentine's understand this, I do.
    #16 the Argentine military needs to worry about building us a nuclear defense program and let our leaders decide when and how to start.
    #20 envy??
    #21 she is doing the right thing.
    #23 CFK leads she doesn't follow, that is why she is the democratically elected president of Argentina and you are ???? Nobody! I don't think #19 mention anything about CFK being a good leader as a matter of fact she asked if there is a leader as good looking as CFK, but thanks for thinking CFK is a good leader. Your comment says it all.

    Aug 03rd, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @8 Pirat-Hunter
    What you have is “the evil of two lessers”.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @24 Exactly! She asked if there is a leader as good looking as CFKC, as if that were in anyway a relevant issue when judging leadership qualities.

    If she wants to discuss if CFKC is good looking purely as a woman then I would comment that she looks like mutton dressed as lamb. A good friend should explain to her about growing old gracefully, instead of plastering on the make-up so she looks like a transvestite. But NONE of that is relevant to her ability as a leader and the two should not be confused.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zhivago

    24 Butt Pirate
    Poor Pirata, you haven't been taking your medication. You will never find the ability to move on unless you admit that it wasn't your fault. Stop trying to make up for it in other ways, like talking tough or pretending that you are powerful. Whoever molested you took away all your power and you are struggling to get it back in a world that is very unforgiving and does not want to understand what you have gone through. Once you learn to shed the blame you will get some of that power back and slowly you will become a person again but you have to take that leap of faith and not worry how others will judge you. When you were violated you repressed it for a while, then you probably thought you were gay, maybe you even experimented with other boys or young men, it doesn't matter, you can put that it in the past. If the medication is really bothering you then try and take half of the prozac.

    19 Scuzzy Sussie
    You are supposed to change the tampon regularly, not leave it in for the whole three days, you can get toxic-shock syndrome, please be more careful.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    @27 The tampon is the brains of that partnership.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    Before the next elections, the constitution will have been changed, allowing an unlimited amount of reelections, just like Hugo Chavez did. Then expect something drastic such as the invasion of the Falklands for the same reason it was invaded last time, to create nationalism and increase support for the ruling party, CFK. Hugo Chavez would LOVE to have a little war and it just seems like everything is falling into place.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zhivago

    The British have their pants well pulled up and buttoned, the cowards won't attack when they know what is waiting for them.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    I guess killing women and children in the middle east has made you the brave men you are today :)

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Argentine public opinion “does not see in the opposition arch anyone capable of solving problems”

    This is important. Whatever the natural ups and downs of governing Cristina and the left are still far and away the best bet for solving the people's real problems (not pandering to the “markets”)

    “Although by 2015 CFK will have completed two consecutive four year mandates, and can’t be re-re-elected, some ultras want her to reform the constitution and open such an option”

    Mekes sense to me, why reject the best there is? Either that or a handpicked successor to continue the left course, like Timmerman, Alicia or Kicillof

    “So the wrath of the Executive has fallen upon Scioli”

    Good, he'd be a disastrous leader, a throwback to Paleolithic Peronism, and shouldn't be supported whether the beautiful Cristina is running again or not

    ”Furthermore the dominant CFK will not tolerate a potential successor, (unless she picks him/her) because of her character and the lame-duck syndrome“

    Or because someone like Scioli would never be the successor, because of his right wing politics which despite being in the same big tent party are the opposite of hers. Anyway why should she submit to being a lame duck so early in her term, that itself is a good reason for constitutional reform even if in the end she has no intention of standing again. And whats wrong with her being ”dominant“, I don't think many male leaders are submissive! Especially to so called party comrades who are really part of the oligarchic opposition

    ”Conservative Mauricio Macri could represent in 2015 a good breeze of fresh air”

    Along with the snide sexist references to Cristina this I think shows the articles bias!

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    @31 Such a little keyboard warrior aren't you, Guzz. I'm sure you'd say exactly the same thing to someone from the Armed Forces if they were right in front of you. It's not like you'd be standing in a pool of your own urine or anything. Um...the mop is over there. ;)

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Me a keyboard warrior? Well of course, I'd fight you lot with Cimarrones should I run out of ink :)

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SussieUS

    Zhivago has a rossy arse
    whispers english
    for all men on a row
    Zhivago feels the heat
    all what he wants is touch his toes
    bring the baby oil
    he yells to all....
    Who goes first?
    The one who pays cash
    one pound for the bang
    ConQueeeerrrrrrr bang bang bang
    drip drip drip in Zhivago rossy arse
    As you all know
    Zhivago is easy to screw
    by all men on a row

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers


    For the sake of highlighting your 100% biased and hypocritical comments.

    ----This is important. Whatever the natural ups and downs of governing Cristina and the left are still far and away the best bet for solving the people's real problems (not pandering to the “markets”)----

    CFK has become a multimillionaire through what? Following socialist ideals or playing the market? She so clearly loves the trappings of being uber rich but doesnt want others to be rich because they become a threat to her and the system. Its totally -Do as I say not as I do-

    ----Mekes sense to me, why reject the best there is? Either that or a handpicked successor to continue the left course, like Timmerman, Alicia or Kicillof----

    The whole point of having a limited term as president is precisely to stop people getting too comfortable in the position and to give others a chance. The very essence of democracy. A president is just an individual at the end of the day. He/she work for the state. Is paid by the state to do a job. For democracy's sake no leader should ever be above the constitution

    ----Or because someone like Scioli would never be the successor, because of his right wing politics which despite being in the same big tent party are the opposite of hers. Anyway why should she submit to being a lame duck so early in her term, that itself is a good reason for constitutional reform even if in the end she has no intention of standing again. And whats wrong with her being ”dominant“, I don't think many male leaders are submissive! Especially to so called party comrades who are really part of the oligarchic opposition-----

    They were friends until Scioli hinted that he might run for presidency. This shows her loyalty and fear very clearly. Since then she has tried to belittle him.

    Try again.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Then why doesn't Sweden have limited terms? Denmark? Britain? Stop being hypocritical, every nation is free to decide how to choose their leaders...

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo


    Thank you once again for youre great contribution to these politicall forums, youre wit, intelect and insight into politicall matters concerning Argentina is both inspiring and mezmerizing, please do keep up this sterling service.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #36 Guzz at 37 has said all I can be bothered to right now on term limits. On Scioli I don't think they were ever friends, the Peronist Party is a catch all, big tent party and they are on opposite wings of it. He could never be her ideological heir, if he won it would always be a win for the right wing opposition of a kind that is becoming rare to the point of extinction in South America, by the will of the people

    #7 Whats wrong with a leader looking sexy, can't concentrate on their policies if they're not plain and boring? Maybe you're the shallow one!

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    They deserve her and she deserves them.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers


    In -principle- the idea of a limited term is precisely to help protect democracy. If the system is changed mainly to suit an individual then that to me is wrong.

    I never said that the system of my country is perfect nor that of Sweden or whatever. That doesnt mean I cant comment on other countries politics. It doesnt bother me in the slightest if you make balanced comments about my countries politics.

    So you claim to live/work in Denmark. Were you forced to live/work there or are you there because it gives you something your own country cant? How does the poverty and corruption there compare to that of your country?

    @BK Scioli was her man in BA province. If she didnt want him there he wouldnt have been given the opportunity. And like I say they were getting on fine UNTIL he found the nerve to suggest he might run for presidency. Funny that.

    And you didnt counter the first part of my post. Whys that I wonder...

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    If I didn't coumter ot's because you weren't adressing me, I just pointed out that Europe doesn't have limited terms...
    But if you insist... The whole argument of CFK being multimillionaire is from your mouth and I have seen no proofs of your claims, so I wont enter an argument that has been settled before we even discuss it. Why not mentioning Blairs many millions he earned 15 minutes after leavong office? Those are accounted for...
    After typing I realize you are still bot adressing me... oh well :)

    I'm no Dane by the way, my old man is a Tupa and he was refuged in Sweden, hence my ties to Scandinavia. I do have the Swedish passport as well as the Uruguayan.
    Denmark guves me loads of things my country doesn't, as does Sweden, Spain, England, France, Argentina, Brazil, Morocco, Mexico... All different things, some good, others not so... You should try travelling, instead of having me telling you about it...

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zhivago

    31 Guzz
    I guess so!

    35 Scuzzie Sussie
    Dream on Puerto Argentino!

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @Guzz and BK

    CFK recently declared 3 million dollars IN CASH (is that all of it?) and seeing as most people have most of their wealth tied up in property and business investments rather than cash this says alot about her overall wealth status. Who knows how much she really has but one things for sure - shes a multimillionaire and she wouldnt have got to that stage without 'buying low and selling high' - pure capitalism. And she was happily using dollars to do so.

    I am completely in agreement about Blair. As are millions of other Brits. We are as disgusted about the lies and manipulation that has led to the deaths of hundreds thousands of people in the middle east as anybody. Though of course Argentine media would have you think differently.

    Blair is a truly odious man up there with you know who. But an important distinction is that he at least waited until he left office to reap in his millions. In the UK we expect more from our politicians than Argentines. In Argentina it is simply expected that a politician uses the system to his-her utmost personal advantage. The 'expenses scandal' a few years ago in the UK simply wouldn't have been a scandal in Argentina.

    I like alot of Britons -and unlike a lot of Argentines- have had the ability to travel extensively and live in other cultures. And because of that I don't regard nationalism highly and am able to evaluate my culture and others more objectively.

    You cant deny that its good to travel and see the world something that you are clearly benefiting from and yet you support the Peronist system whose raison detre is to keep Argentines contained in a box through nationalism and restricting Argentines ability to create wealth so that it can maintain control them over them whilst the protagonists of the system live lives as ostentatious as any in politician in my country. At the very least The Peronists should take a leaf out of Uruguay's president's book in living humbly and practicing what one preaches....

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    guzz is a dickhead and coward would never stand in front of a gun for his country and CFK, spouts rhetoric with no back up,or spine a keyboard warrior, coward in short terms, sussie us spouts shite all day and lives off the state in US despite slagging them off all day. TTT is an arse and BK an obsessed plastic surgeon. I love the threats and rhetoric from these idiots who would run a mile if someone sneezed in there general direction, put up or shut up, do your homework and stop spouting crap, and wake up and smell the coffee your knackered

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo


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  • axel arg

    Although i understand that this is a great news for all those who are fundamentalist of the hate against c. f. k. I just can say that the worst that we can do, is to take all those so called polls seriously. Beside, what is omitted in this article is that managmenet and fit, is a poll which is oponent to c. f. k's government, on the other hand, a few days ago i read the numbers of a poll of another consultant who supports her government, and said that she has positive imagen of 60%, as you can see, before giving any opinion, you should know what's behind those so called independent polls, or analists, economists etc etc. I never take seriously any poll, i only believe in the votes, that's the only one true reality.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo


    Beside, what is omitted in this article is that managmenet and fit, is a poll which is oponent to c. f. k's government,

    ive looked at there other polls and and cant see them biased? when she was clearly ahead thats where they put her, now shes slipped and there reporting it

    on the other hand, a few days ago i read the numbers of a poll of another consultant who supports her government, and said that she has positive imagen of 60%,

    clearly this one is not independent (consultant who supports her government) so we can dismiss there figures!

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    What punishment are you actively working for against Blair then? How about cleaning your own mess before pointing fingers? You may as you say promote Blair's jugdement, but you seem to have this obsession of blaiming other nations politicians of what your own are guilty of...

    Trust me, I mever threaten anybody... Should I have a reason to come after someone, I wouldn't tell them...

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Guzz you are portraying the persecution complex.Or are you trolling?

    Maybe I have a connection with Argentina and thus its relevant to me. And just because Im not Argentine or latin American does that mean I cant comment on Argentina? Feel free to comment on british politics if its relevant to the story. But this forum is about Latin America. Maybe if you went to a forum on British politics you'd find me commenting more about Blair...

    Still you nor BK have challenged my comments posted earlier. Is that why you are focusing on my mentioning Blair I wonder....

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    The problem with your theory, is that first you decide the relevancy, then you accuse foreign nations leaders for what your own are prooven guilty of, but of course, as your leaders aren't relevant on the matter...
    You think I'm merely a third worlder, don't you. Well I am, but we are not at all as merely as you may think. If you want a discussion, you don't set the relevancy. You might point at the article, but the only thing your accusations and the article has in common, is the name CFK...

    Told you already, all your accusations of CFK and her person are based on your words and news agencies as FOX, with derivates...
    Besides, being a socialist doesn't mean you have to be poor :)
    Myself, I admire my President, I live simple because I choose to. Not that I identify myself as socialist, but if CFK chooses to spend her money on clothes and jewelry, well, it's a free world...
    You talk like she was poor before becoming President. Suppose she is guilty of doing what you say though, I'm sure she will get same punishment Blair got, the Argentines will follow your lead, don't you worry...

    And stop calling me a troll, or I will too drop the respect.

    Aug 04th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Cristina publicly declared she would pesify 3000000 dollars. Are you trying to tell me that even pro CFK media didnt report this?

    A rich socialist is an oxymoron. Socialism is all about equality. Maybe if every Argentine was as rich as her I wouldnt have a problem. Mind you if they were Argentina would have to invade other countries for resources to maintain them. Exactly what you criticise the UK and the US for. Mujica doesnt feel the need to be immensely wealthy and ostentatious.

    I said Argentina is a third world country but its only your persecution complex that makes you feel it was meant as an insult to Argentinians..

    Maybe CFK hasnt technically done anything illegal...maybe she has...but certainly to make money and alot of it someone in the chain needs to get fucked over. Like I say -very capitalistic. And shes a hypocrite to be blaming the dollar for Argentines woes when she was happily publicly trading in dollars until recently.

    This Article is about Cristina and her popularity and who could challenge her. Ive sort of stayed on subject. It was you that mentioned Blair and third world Argentina on this story

    Really I can see its pointless trying to debate with you.

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    You confuse socialism with communism. Or mayhap its the marxism part that has you clouded. Marx economic socialism has little in common with the political ideology that is socialism. I wont develop it further as I'm sure you can google the info yourself. As far as I know, CFK never declared herself a Marxist...

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    A little off topic, but under the support for Argentina, the latest results from the Olympic medals:-

    Team GB: 31, inc. 15 GOLD: medal position THIRD

    Argentina: ZERO, yes that's NO MEDALS folks: medal position LAST with ZERO.


    Am I sympathetic to the Argentino athletes? YES, they are having to battle their despotic government as well as beat the best in the world.

    Am I sympathetic to all the stupid bastards who vote for the Peronistas? NO WAY JOSE!

    This is where you truly belong, what you have worked for all your lives and where you WILL STAY if you vote these crooks in again. IT'S UP TO YOU!

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    They just won a Bronze in tennis. I also saw them playing at the Olympic Basketball Arena last night and they looked good enough to win a medal. Incidentally, there were hundreds of Argentines there supporting the team. I sat with some of them and we all got on well, chatting and had a little banter. The overwhelming opinion of the Argentines was that their economy was fucked (their words) and their President hopeless. They loved their county and displayed it loudly and with good humour.

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Lol Chris, you sincerely believe that the Argentinian athletes will run faster, throw longer and start winning medals as soon as Cristina leaves the office?? That's a bit of a ridiculous statement, don't you think?

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    GB just won the gold medal in the same tournament.

    You underestimate the value of having your country supporting you and the boost that gives to athletes. It is one of the reasons host countries tend to do well at the Olympics.

    TTT would have us believe the 'no one in Argentina cares about the Olympics' which is rubbish but must be disheartening to hear if you are representing your country at the greatest sporting event in the world. CFKC undermined the Argentine athletes with her stupid political shenanigans. The Argentine hockey team are under performing.

    So, the answer to your question is that, yes, if you had a President treating the athletes with more respect and encouraging the country to get behind them, they could perform better. Psychology plays a huge part in sporting success.

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Then explain Uruguays failure in the footies :)

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    One event out of many? Christ knows. They beat Argentina - Gold medalists in football at the last two Olympics - to get to the games and never played particularly well, though they had a good chance in the game against GB. To be honest, many people here thought they were a team to watch. They looked tired but maybe you know why they never reached form.

    My point is that athletes perform well when they are supported positively and they are in a good place psychologically. CFKC embarrassed them on the run-up to the Olympics and there was a lot of negative publicity towards Argentina over her stunt. Then she didn't bother to turn up at the opening ceremony to support her country and that is bound to have an affect on moral. Maybe if shopping for designer shoes was an Olympic sport old money-bags would take an interest. : )

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    There athletes got treated pretty shodilly by there goverment, dont you remember the story about all there training equipment getting kept at customs for 2 months becouse they were expected to export something in return, and this story was like March - April this year in what would have been there last bit of training in a 4 year build up to compete at the games.

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    What i wanted to express in my comment 47, is that i don't believe in any poll, i read them but i don't take them seriouslly, beside, neather the poll that i read that supports c. f. k's government, nor management and fit, which is oponent, are indepnedent, in fact, i have serious doubts about the soposed independence of those so called polls, thats' why i never take them seriouslly, i only believe in the votes, all the rest are just opinions.

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR


    How can votes be the only TRUE reality in a country like Argentina where the 'President' buys votes as shown on your own TV and in your national papers?

    Get real for once and see the truth about The Mad Bitch Of Argentina.

    Aug 05th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo


    Her popularity has deffinatley taken a dent, although polls arent totally accurate there normally within about + or - 5% if conducted correctly, i dont believe the poll against c.f.k was biased.

    At the end of the day “as you said” it is only the votes that matter.

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  • ChrisR

    58 Guzz

    Well, it wouldn't / couldn't be any worse in reality, could it?

    TMBOA just milked the athletes for all it was worth to HER. She used the prat hockey player as a political pawn for the mythical Malvinas, thus destroying the team moral at a stroke. Even Team GB beat them 4-1! And we don't play hockey as a national sport as far as I can see (wait for the howls from the Brit hockey players).

    Thankfully, the Argentinian Olympic Team now have one Bronze medal to put them onto the medal table.

    The government's ridiculous mantra of 'to import something you must export the same value' is clearly nonsensical for organisations such as these.

    I know it is asking a lot for some person of worth, preferably with a brain in their head, to stand up to TMBOA without risking their life. But what a good opportunity for the country to prosper IF that happens.

    It's going downhill fast under the present regime.

    Aug 06th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lau-wai

    Yeah! sure can...Dame Margret Thatcher!

    Aug 06th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SussieUS

    Oh! she does not look like a woman at all!....Such an ugly person!
    Hey...Last week we all read that Buenos Aires is the fourth city having the most beautiful women in the world....What's happen to London?....
    My country argentine president is beautiful, very sexy looking, well educated, independent, healthy and wealthy!

    Aug 06th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    SCARFO: Yesterday i read another poll which shows that c. f. k has a 60% of positive imagen, it's different than the other poll that i told you in another comment, which shown also that she has a 60% of positive imagen. Now i ask you something?, which poll should i considered like reliable, these two, or management and fit?. My answer is that i would never take seriouslly none of them, anyway, i like i said before, i understand that it must be a great news for many people who don't like c. f. k, and i respect those opinions, but, in my case, i don't like living in a fantasy world, thats' why, i only believe in votes.
    CHRIS: If you believe what the most important newspapers from this country say about the government, that shows how missinformed you are. I don't deny that there are denounces of corruption cases which are being investigated by the justice, but the most important newspapers here aren't reliable in absolut, since they have a push of power with the gov. On the other hand, your conclusion can't be more rediculous, c. f. k won with the 54,11% of the votes, with a diffeence of 37 points over the second candidat, do you think that such a big difference like that, can be explained mostly because the gov. bought votes?. Think deeply please, before giving such an ignorant conclusion.

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  • Guzz

    Chris. Argentina ecomony is good, hasn't been better under past governments. It's not decreasing, it's merely increasing slowlier than last year. Compare that to what is happening in Europe...

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  • ChrisR


    And I thought you really did understand basic economics!

    1) the 'growth' has to be adjusted for the inflation (which decreases the value). And the inflation in Argentina is 25 - 30% last year. Now how much growth was there? Even if it WERE (INDEC of course) 8% they are behind the curve by 22% in some areas. This is NOT growth, it is shrinkage!

    2) The economy is hamstrung by the cackhanded ideas of The Mad Bitch Of Argentina and her bunch of crooks. Do you really think the malarkey with the USD is sensible? Why do you think the construction industry is in a flat spin. They deal in dollars. Kill dollars, kill whatever industries use dollars. Please don't say they can use toilet paper pesos. Who, in their right mind, wants to loose 30% per annum in value? Even TMBOA and Kickitoff (der wunderkind) are still in USD.

    3) Her rogue actions with Repsol has screwed any chance of getting international investment into the country (except from the Chin - so beware the yellow peril). She got laughed at in NY during her last shopping trip / UN laugh-along over 'give us back the Malvinas' when she met American oil executives and suggested THEY invest in YPF.

    And I could go on and on. Which is more than she will be doing within the next few months.

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  • ElaineB

    I hope Argentines are enjoying the fantastic game their team is playing against the USA. Two champion teams locked in a close competition.

    (Three of the Argentine team live in the USA and play in the NBA)

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  • Hepatia

    So, you are a supporter of democracy.

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  • Zhivago

    66 Scuzzy US
    That's why you lied to everyone and told them you were returning to B.A. and not posting anymore. They want to stay on the list so they are not letting any ugly women back into the country. I guess you will have to continue working in the kitchen of that Taco Bell in Phoenix you skank! B.A, does have some gorgeous women, the best looking are the ones selling pasteles in front of Retiro or the ones selling coca cola outside La Bombonera.

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  • Hepatia Actually there is a larger hypocrisy being attempted here. The effective, and the actual, chief executive are not elected in the UK. So, unlike CFK, the prime minister of the UK has not been required to stand for election to that office.

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  • ChrisR


    Are you serious, or seriously deluded?

    Even though I detest Camoron and thought him a 'wrong 'un' for PM from the beginning, at least ALL our Members of Parliament are elceted by everyone who wishes to cast their vote.

    The leader of the party that gains the most votes is then designated the PM. If he resigns at any time the same party has to ballot within their MP's to elect another PM.

    A quaint procedure follows the appoinment of our PM's: they have to go to the palce to get assent from the Queen. This is purely a formality but helps continuity from one PM to the next and one government to the next, something a Presidential system cannot do.

    It makes me laugh at the absolute nonesense you Malvanistas come up with time after time trying to 'get one over on the Brits' on matters like these.

    Aug 08th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 73 You are extraordinarily uninformed. Where on earth were you taught that?

    All Members of Parliament (MPs) are elected by their constituents. The political party with the majority of MPs (therefore the majority of votes) forms the government. All very democratic. Each political party will have elected a leader prior to the National Election, so people know who will be Prime Minister before they vote. The Queen remains as a figurehead to stop any individual from becoming too powerful. It also reminds them that they work for the people.

    Aug 08th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia I think I adequately understand the UK constitution, a constitution which cannot be written (Blackstone not withstanding) or is not voted upon by the citizens of the UK (the citizens of the UK were, until recently, known as “British Subjects” - a fact which should tell you a lot). In your summary you describe a system in which you elect a house of representatives (house of Commons) which then, WRT executive office, acts as an electoral college but is a rubber stamp legislative body otherwise.

    You forgot to mention the UK Senate (“House of Lords”) the membership of which is not elected but is appointed by - who - you guessed it - the the non elected chief executive. Actually I should be accurate here - some of the senators are appointed by the church of the UK.

    So, of the three branches of government. the UK voter votes for a portion of one. This is a system that is barely democratic. In fact I do not think it can be called democratic at all.

    I'm not sure what you mean by continuity. Do you mean that the present administration follows the policies of the previous in order to maintain continuity? If so why should UK voters exercise their very limited franchise at all?

    Aug 08th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR


    I now realize who you mean when you say the non elected chief executive is!

    You are talking about Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II.

    You are one stupid person, if you have managed to decipher thus utter load of ArgieCrap© out of anything on the Parliament site.

    BTW, we have an unelected House of Lords AND they are far more democratic than the Members of Parliament who, like the Argie government 'law makers' vote in their own interests.

    You have a VERY strange view of democracy if you think re-writing the constitution is IN ANY WAY an improvement over an independent judiciary who REGULARLY rein in the stupidity of ministers.

    Pity Argie land does not have the same instead of the sycophantic Mad Bitch Of Argentina dominated 'senate'.

    You really have excelled in the race to prove which Malvanista can post the best crap of all. It used to be a close race between Prat-Junta and Malvi-Babe, but you have beaten the two put together.

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  • Zhivago

    Hepatia needs to go back to school and learn what a parliamentary democracy is. I thought Scuzzie Sussie US was the biggest moron posting on this forum, a new winner!!!!

    Aug 08th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia As a matter of fact I have not mentioned “Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II”. I am talking about the office of prime minister the holder of which, in the UK, is the person who holds and exercises effective executive power in the UK. This is an office that you (from your posts I assume that you are a citizen of the UK) have never voted for and never will vote for.

    It is a necessary, but insufficient, attribute of democracy that office holders hold there offices as a result of an Australian Ballot excised on a universal franchise. In the UK the office of prime minister fails that test.

    If you read the UK parliamentary record from the years around the year of 1850 you will see a lot of speeches attacking democracy as it was exercised in the US at that time. These seem to be as result of the Jackson and the successor administrations. When I read your paragraph on your “House of Lords” I am reminded of these diatribes. Here we are, more than 150 years on, hearing similar themes from the Old World. Your innovation here is to claim that “Lords” who have never stood for election to their offices are more democratic than Senators who stand for election on a regular basis - something that your parliamentary predecessors did not have the reckless courage to do.

    As your post points out the struggle to reclaim Las Malvinas is a struggle between the Old World, characterized by royalist and imperial doctrines, and the New World, characterized by liberal democracy and human progress. Historically we can see that the Old World has been overthrown and renounced in America and it is for this reason that Las Malvinas will revert to Argentina in about 25 years.

    Aug 09th, 2012 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor

    You sir are a funny one! The House of Lord's is undemocratic in principle yes however the Lord's have always been admired and respected by the public as they have always be seen to be on the side of the public and it's opinion. The recent changes to benefit allowances proved that, and as for the church well I'am a strong Atheist but the Church of England has always advocated and offered great advice on the well fair state and they often piss the government off when people agree with the Bishops and not with them.

    “Old world”, “Imperial” and“Royalist”? So what it was us in the old world who created your new world, all of your Language, political and social conventions and tradition's have come from us here in Europe, without our evil imperial nature your country would not exist so show some respect for the old world as your country and every other country in the America's was created by it.

    Las Malvinas? I think you will find they will never revert to Argentine as you have never owned them in the first.

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  • Simon68

    Liver Complaint is as full of s**t as any of the malvinistas except perhaps Prat *unter!!!!!!

    Aug 09th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia The House of Lords is undemocratic in principle and in fact. Your admiration for it in no way changes that fact. Rather it highlights your poor judgment and lack of maturity.

    By “your language” I take it that you mean the Spanish language. I find that one language is as good as another for most practical purposes. For instance, I am writing now in English but I have not said anything that could not be adequately expressed in, for instance, Spanish (and the converse is also true). I do not know which languages you use in your daily life but, I think, you will agree on reflection.

    I know that a studied ignorance of everything foreign is a badge of honor among UK imperialists but I think you taken this to extreme. You must know that, in a number of wars of independence, America has rejected Europe. This is the basis of tge existence of the New World. Americans are not prisoners of their remote history and the future of America depends only on Americans.

    As to the return of Las Malvinas to Argentina I think you should consider how the world is going to develop over time. Recently President Obama made a speech to point that the US would contest the control of the Pacific. Obama was, of course, simply restate existing US policy in this speech. And this will remain US policy until it can no longer be maintained. This will force the US to withdraw from Europe and engage more fully in America. At some point the US will discover that its true interest is in the ejection of European powers from America. Concurrently Brazil, a rising American power, will find the UK presence in America increasingly intolerable. By this time the UK, having been further worked over by its bankers and media barons, will have dumpster diving as is main industry. Quite the UK will follow its past history and find that it can no longer support even a rump of its imperium.

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  • ChrisR

    80 Conor

    Awww! You've done it now: you've upset that world expert on democracy 'Hepatia' no less!

    I wonder if H has a liver complaint OR (more likely) she imagines she is Rachel Weiz who played Hepatia, the unique (at the time) woman who taught at the Library of Alexandria.

    Due to her success and the politics at the time (she rejected marriage) she built up a great deal of resentment in certain areas.

    This got her killed.

    I have a copy of this film and it is so like Argentina of today. 'Men' claiming something that is not theirs and subjugating groups in their own society who do not think like them.

    Not much democracy and it all ends in a firestorm and the fabulous library is destroyed. Very much like Argentina.

    Aug 10th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor

    Once again you accuse me of imperialism this and old world that without looking at what I have wrote. As for Languages I was merely pointing out that as an Argentine you are speaking on a daily basis, Spanish a language that was created here in Europe, despite saying that you despise Europe when we were the ones who gave that Language to you in the first place.

    Ignorance? With out wishing to brag I will simply say that I'am well educated/cultured and have a deep fascination of other places and people's. “America has rejected Europe?” When? You are still speaking our languages, using our political and social system's and you are still occupying lands that belonged to the Native South American's before we Europeans showed up and took said lands' and you sir as an Argentine are of European decent yet you still live on what are stolen lands so don't lecture us on the Falkland's, hypocrite. “New World”? The new world was discovered by us Europeans, settled by us Europeans, conquered by us Europeans and now you Argentine's as our modern decedents are occupying the lands we originally colonised so you are entirely Hypocritical about Imperialism, Mr Colonially implanted European.

    Return of Las Malvinas? I think you will find that the islands have been in British hands longer then your countries independence. As for the whole Obama thing well I don't see what this has to do with anything nor do I see what point you are trying to make. Brazil? I very much doubt that Brazil gives a shit about the Falkland's to be honest and despite your claims They will not risk getting in to some sort of conflict with the UK over lands that the majority of Brazilians care for.

    Aug 10th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #83 “it is so like Argentina of today”

    Yes because a strong intelligent woman would get nowhere in Argentina, they'd never become the President or anything! Silly man...

    Aug 11th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR


    Do you not understand how TMBOA got to be president/ I would hve thought even you could have sussed that by now.

    Boss eyed Nestor could not run again and the pair of them cooked up the scheme to have TMBOA elected BUT Boss Eye was supposed to do all the prezzy work, not her.

    Then, horror upon horror, Boss Eye croacks it! Ha, ha, ha, you couldn't make it up.

    Now the poor cow cannot figure out what to do. Who to help her? Dead Man Walking of course. Timmidman, Putridjelly, The Gangster, and the real prize: Bow-wow the Deputy Prez.

    What a bunch of no-hopers.

    I almost feel sorry for her until I remember the poor sods who did not vote for her (62% of those eligible to vote) who are being raped financially by this gang of cretins, 'led' by your Bitch.

    Aug 12th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    If anyone in politics in RGland truly cared about democracy, they could have placed a lifetime term limit in holding office to avoid a dictatorship. Tagteam presidents, and you state correctly what the Nestor plan was, seems contrary to the best interests of any given country. Terms limits in earnest is contrary to pure democracy, but it also serves to avoid a dictatorial kingdom, or better know as executive dominance.

    Aug 12th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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