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South Georgia ‘77 “Operation Journeyman”, a drill for the recovery of the Falklands in 1982
The July edition of the South Georgia Newsletter recalls a major British military and political event in the South Atlantic has been largely overlooked by the region’s history books. A Royal Navy task force, codenamed Operation Journeyman, was deployed to the waters around South Georgia and the Falklands in 1977 following the occupation of Southern Thule in the South Sandwich Islands by 50 Argentine “scientists”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHmm ... I thought that Argentina had never discovered the presence of the mini task force ?
Aug 08th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.scribd.com/doc/100579714/The-Falkland-Islands-History
There is evidence that London knew the military operation carried out in Argentina and did nothing to stop it.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0In early 1982 there were British journalists in Argentina who knew that something big would happen.
@2
Aug 08th, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh for God's sake man did you actually read the bloody article?! Yes the operation was a deterring factor in the event of an invasion, but the war came five years later! And a completely different government was in power, so not only had thing's dumbed down, but a completely mindset had come along in government.
I absolutely love your mindset: “We Argentine's invaded yes, however you British may have had a slight hunch about invasion and you let it happen because you have no problem guaranteeing sovereignty while your ships were sunk and men killed, because you're the Bad guy's.”
Drop your pathetic countries pathetic claim and drop your pathetic username to a set of island's that deep down you care little for in reality, as you have no intention of living there or visiting , and forget all that pathetic false history you were spoon fed in school you pathetic man.
You can not invade a territory that we consider ours.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think today you had one day pathetic.
The Georgias also are Argentine.
http://www.irizar.org/819puglisi-georgias.pdf
Regards, Conor.
@4
Aug 08th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you consider yours? Sorry that doesn't fly, I cant steal my next door Neighbours car, because its geographically close to me and I consider it to be mine.
“I think today you had one day pathetic.”- I have no idea what that means as your sentence structure is a bit iffy. Please spell with more care in the future.
“The Georgias also are Argentine.” It's actually South Georgia and the South Sandwich island's.- How in the name of Christ does this prove Sovereignty? He was an Argie who set up shop on an uninhabited British Territory, which had been a British territory since 1775! What gave you the right!? My Friend's guest bedroom is currently uninhabited and so I shale take it! You argies have been proven wrong on every issuer regarding the South Atlantic and we cant tell you have really got any claim as you started claiming the Falklands in 1833 an then South Georgia in 1927 and the South Sandwich islands in 1938. Not only that but your government has never provided any official proof as to why they claim the SGSSI as well.
And as you didn't bother countering the rest of my comment I presume I have proved you wrong on that as well have I? So again, grow up and drop your pathetic indoctrinated claim you fool.
The distance between the South Sandwich Island and Argentina and the inability to use the air force may have influenced the Argentine government in 1977.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0'In early 1982 there were British journalists in Argentina who knew that something big would happen.'
In fact,
In early 1982 there were British journalists in Argentina who thought that something big might happen. An invasion of Chile looked more likely in fact.
As a matter of interest, what is the basis for the Argenrine claim for South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, other than the fact that they were lumped together with the Falkland Islands for administrative purposes- if there is any other basis, of course?
Interesting story, but incorrect in that the Argentines were not persuaded to close their illegal base on Southern Thule. It remained an embarrassment to UK, and British Antarctic Survey crews who reported the base were ordered to keep its existence to themselves. The truth was outed, to the chagrin of the Foreign Office, in some good journalism in the Falkland Islands Times. Southern Thule's Argentines were not removed until after the war of 1982. The naval mission might have thwarted early plans to attack the Falklands, however.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Malvi
Aug 08th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0> The Georgias also are Argentine. www.irizar.org/819puglisi-georgias.pdf
So according to Professor Puglisi, a Norwegian whaler in South Georgia on a British lease constitutes “irrefutable proof ”of Argentine sovereignity. Even if the Norwegian in question also takes British citizenship 17 years before Argentina even comes up with a claim.
I'm also surprised, given irrefutable proof of this nature, that Argentina declined in 1947, 1951, 1953, and 1954 the UK's offer to take the claim to the ICJ, and in 1955 refused to cooperate when the UK went there unilaterally.
Argentina you can cry all you like over the islands, You have nothing, you had nothing, and you never will have anything.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0!! SELF-DETERMINATION !! muthas fookers, its the end game.......
How does the evita song go again, :) :) :) :)
so carry on crying, ITS ALL GOOD!!!
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Aug 08th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This July issue includes the fascinating “Operation Journeyman” story as well as others :
- Plotting Success
- Hidden History - Operation Journeyman 1977
- Last Chance For “HMS Plymouth”
- Fishing and Shipping News
- Black-browed Albatross Success Not Reflected In South Georgia
- Beware Avalanche
- All Ale And Hearty
- Bird Island Diary
- South Georgia Snippets
http://www.sgisland.gs/index.php/(h)South_Georgia_News_and_Events
http://www.sgisland.gs/index.php/(h)South_Georgia_News_and_Events
Excellent response of 4 Malvinense 1833. You can not invade a country that we consider ours. Always bear in mind that Argentina's claims over the Falkland Islands also include South Georgia and South Sandwich, and islets sercanos, by resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good page: www.irizar.org/819puglisi-georgias.pdf
also read the following link on the foundations of the sovereignty of South Georgia and South Sandwich (Isla San Pedro).
http://www.cuestionmalvinas.gob.ar/
@12 and? I claim pluto and Mars and the sun, i know they are not mine but i will claim them anyway, i have more chance of a successful claim than Argentinas has,as their is no inhabitants to claim...wait for it.......
Aug 08th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0!!SELF-DETERMINATION!! did you get that?
once more for the Arg-tards !SELF-DETERMINATION!
man! Malvinas=Georgias and Sandwich is Argentina,you know it very good and the world knows it!! just you don't want get back all thats islands because you are a thieves! thats the truth!!
Aug 08th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When have the Argentinians (or Spanish) ever settled on South Georgia?
Aug 08th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 And off you again. ”resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25).” Are you capable of understanding some simple words? Here's the first couple. So what? Here's some more. ALL those resolutions you like to quote are NON-BINDING. In other words, they aren't worth the paper they are written on. They are meaningless. They don't matter. You can stop trotting them out now. WE don't care. Jump up and down. Scream and shout. Wave your bits of paper in the air. Still don't care. How about WE complicate matters? WE send a task force up the River Plate, seize Martin Garcia Island and hold it for a month. There isn't a thing you could do about it. WE can sink your navy (joke), destroy your air force (another joke) and decimate your army. Can we then have another sovereignty dispute? Bet you'd say it was yours because that was what you agreed with Uruguay in 1973. But WE occupied it in 1838. So why shouldn't WE have the same rights that you want to claim? Try to reach some level of maturity. Over 322 years, argies have been on the Falklands for a grand total of 2 years 9 months. Even Spain was only there for 44 years. Britain was the FIRST state to declare sovereignty. And after a brief dispute, Spain had to accept that. Britain has been there at least 6 times longer than any other state, and 107 times as long as argies. You trespassed and you got thrown off. You were lucky. When WE returned to OUR territory in 1833, WE would have been within OUR rights to ship your people to Britain and put them on trial for their lives. But WE were gentle. Just as WE were gentle in 1982. You need, as a country, to grow up. You can't have anything you want. And the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are lands you will NEVER have. Get used to it!
Aug 08th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 How does it feel to be a pillock?
@14 you can have the malvitas where ever they are! as for the Falklands thats a desicion for the islands population ONLY! and i do believe they have spoken about this and it wasnt in Argentinas favor, what part of this are you finding difficult to understanding, Argtard??? you are not wanted and you cannot force your tyranny on another population like you did in the conquest of the desert, those times have changed colonialism and expansionism are no longer accepted along with the genocide of indigenous people as the Falklanders are the first population that makes them indigenous, the answer is no, anymore of it and you will end up on the naughty step with syria and Iran and you will miss supper.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 You beat me to it
Aug 08th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does Argentina justify it's sovereignty claims over Georgia and the South sandwich Islands - I think that's always a great place to start in these discussions.
Before we get those ludicrous “continental shelf” arguments, I refer anyone to http://www.gc.noaa.gov/gcil_maritime.html#shelf
There does seem to be a lot of confusion among the RG's about unoccupied islands and sovereignty. Rockall is uninhabited but we still exercise sovereignty over it. We did actually visit it - I think the RG claim was made by putting a blue and white pin in a map!
18 Steveu (#)
Aug 08th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In answer to your question “How does Argentina justify it's sovereignty claims over Georgia and the South sandwich Islands?”
It is simply because they form part of the Falkland Island dependency as it was in 1934 when Palacios started the mythical claim to the Islands, and of course Juan Domingo kept all the Islands together in 1946 in order to be able to grab a bigger slice of Antartica when the time came.
Very important, I think, that no one tells BA about the existence of Australia.
Aug 08th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least Malvinesnse1833 has given some sort of reason(although wrong!) for Argentina's ridiculous “claims” for South Georgia etc.
Aug 09th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0When l asked the Turnip-in-Chief(Think)on what basis does Argentina claim this territory, the answer was “because we want them!”
Really, señor Think? Well, l want your farm in Chubut.
So by malvinista logic, it's mine!
You can disregard that other idiot, gustbery.
The whole world, indeed. What a pillock.
Isolde: my sun ☼
Aug 10th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do not ask them to give us the reason. We only ask an opportunity for dialogue to resolve the problem.
Everyone wins and everyone will be benefited.
I think:
Dual citizenship.
Freedom of movement.
Free care in hospitals on the continent.
Free education in schools on the continent.
Maintaining the system of government of the islands. Each province in Argentina has its system of government.
Cooperation in fisheries, environment and oil.
Gaining $$$ for the islands.
Double court system, Argentine or British, customers can choose either as appropriate.
Double flag. Argentina / UK or Argentina / Malvinas-Falklands.
A solution is possible. Do not let the problem to future generations.
With affection, detective Malvi ;-))
Islanders:
Aug 10th, 2012 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't trust Argentina.
If in doubt check how many Argentine promises to Uruguay have been broken this year, last year and the year before. Argentina has always been a belligerent nation, and even more so under its current president.
'Dual citizenship.'
Aug 10th, 2012 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0With the prospect of being treated the way Argentine governmebnts often treat Argentine citizens? Not an attractive prospect.
'Freedom of movement.'
...which is only prevented by Argentine refusals to permit freedom of movement.
' Free care in hospitals on the continent.'
There is already free care in hospitals on the islands. How many Argentines have free care in hospitals on the continent?
'Free education in schools on the continent.'
Why not free education in schools on the islands, which is already available? Or do you mean compulsory education in schools on the continent?
'Maintaining the system of government of the islands. Each province in Argentina has its system of government.'
...which is determined by the Argentine central government. How long wouldthe anomalous characterof the Falklands be allowed to last with Argentine demagogues seeking power?
'Cooperation in fisheries, environment and oil.'
Already available if the Argentine government chooses.
'Gaining $$$ for the islands.'
...but, given the history of Argentine governments, how long would the islands and islanders benefit from the dollars?
'Double court system, Argentine or British, customers can choose either as appropriate.
Double flag. Argentina / UK or Argentina / Malvinas-Falklands.'
Again, how long would that last once Argentine governments have power?
' A solution is possible. Do not let the problem [go down] to future generations.'
Many solutions are possible, Unfortunately, the Argentine government seems to have decided that only one is acceptable to it.
Malvinense1833,
Aug 10th, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why oh why do you want our land so much?
You have a beautiful country full of all types of resources, good soil, fresh water, minerals, oil.
You have far,far more than we. Yet you lust after our land. l do not understand.
Why cannot you be happy with what God has given you?
So sorry, but we will have to decline your generous offers. Peace.
@22
Aug 10th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have not offered anything better than the Islanders already have.
I would be interested in your suggestions being a bit more detailed.
“Freedom of movement”
What exactly does this mean?
Are you actually aware that the FIG spends 25% of its income on education ? This includes a benefit that not even English people enjoy, that is free university education. And that's at Universities that are far far far better than any in Argentina. Have you actually seen how low Argentine universities are rated in SA?
No indoctrination in FI schools.
“Maintaining the system of government of the islands. Each province in Argentina has its system of government.”
As the Islands are not a province of the UK, they have a high level of autonomy free from interference. Being a province of Argentina would restrict their freedom. With each change of constitution the FIG becomes more independent of the UK-you are offering less freedom-if not, please explain.
“Gaining $$$$ for the Islands”.
Please explain further, as the Islanders are already on average richer per capita than most Argentinians. How would you better this?
Argentina doesn't like its own citizens owning $$$$ so why would Argentina let the FIs have them?
What benefit would a double court system be to the Islanders? Please explain further.
How would having a double flag , improve life for the Islanders?
Please explain futher.
Your suggestions seem to suggest that some Argentinians think the Islanders are little more than simple cave dwellers.
A tip for Argentina. If people are used to a high standard of living, they are not going to desire the citizenship of a country with mostly a LOWER standard of living. So if Argentina wishes to get the Islanders onside it has to offer them something better than it has already.
The best option for the Islanders is clearly their current relationship with the UK that treats them with respect possibly leading to Independence in the future.
Any better offers?
I think that Malvinense 1833 (#) @22, has written his post in reverse, what he really meant to say is that the Argentine population would love to adopt the Falkland Islander's political system, giving all Argenines:
Aug 10th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dual citizenship.
Freedom of movement.
Free care in hospitals on the Islands.
Free education in schools on the Islands.
Maintaining the system of government of the islands in province in Argentina.
Cooperation in fisheries, environment and oil.
Gaining $$$ for the continental Argentina.
Double court system, Argentine or British, customers can choose either as appropriate. (British system for the honest; Argentine for the corrupt.)
Union flag.
@27Simon
Aug 11th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. The Argentines are blind to the financial benefits they would have by good relations with the Falkland Islands.(Argentine jobs, trade, ie Argentina getting income from brought produce, lots of money from cruise ship tourists and possibly shared oil revenues).
All they seem to have offered the islanders are 3 flights a week from Argentina, without spelling out how that is better for the Islanders than the LanChile flight and the RAF airbridge.
This is very insulting to the Falkland Islanders who generally are better educated proportionately than the Argentines who view the islanders as stupid enough to accept a lower standard of life under an an Argentinian flag than they can gain by being British(at least with increasing autonomy) and posssibly progressing to Independence in the future.
If CFK was a driving instructor, she would advise her pupil to start off in 4th gear and stall the car, instead of progressing through the gears so that the car got from A-B.
Your post Simon, illustrates what the Argentinine population really wants, not what the Falkland Island population wants or needs.
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