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“Amazonas”, first of three ocean patrol vessels built for Brazil leaves UK
Amazonas, the first of three BAE Systems built Ocean Patrol Vessels being delivered the Brazilian Navy, departed the UK for Rio de Janeiro this week after her crew completed a rigorous program of Flag Officer Sea Training with the Royal Navy off the South coast of England Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBrazil feeling threatened by its tinpot neighbours? look like brazil is bolstering its borders on land and sea. does this class as militarizing the south atlantic?
Aug 11th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0will we see empress scrotum neck sending a strongly worded letter of disapprovement to the UN? think not!
Can we assume that BAE Systems knows which remote control buttons to press to make the sea-cocks open?
Aug 11th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wait a minute. Is Brazil still in on this whole 'no British ships in South American Ports' thing? If so, then WHY are we still building ships for them?
Aug 11th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, the British do build good ships. And Brazil know it.
Aug 11th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They'd hardly ban British built/designed ships from their ports, they'd be banning all nine of their own frigates (six type-21 and three type-22) and 40% of their amphibious warfare fleet (two round table class LSTs).
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Aug 11th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, there aren't any phoibition for british ships for trade, only for ships going to the Flaklands.
Its all part of the big South American bluff, appease Cristina with soundbites at pointless meetings, then carry on business as usual
Aug 11th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I spoke to Brazilian sailors whilst they were doing workup at FOST (I work there) and they hate the rg's with a vengeance
Aug 11th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like a very nifty vessel.
Aug 11th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Smart too.
This is good business for the UK and good business for Brazil.
@7 - slattzzz
Agreed, the majority of South Americans dislike Argentina's arrogance. But Brazil is now eclipsing Argentina.
In a few years, Brazil will move significantly up the chart having one of the largest GDPs and one of the worlds richest countries, whilst Argetina continues to slide back into the dark ages.
And all Brazil has to do is make a few throw away comments to keep the Argies in line, whilst they reap the profits of CFKs economic 'miracle'.
#1 This is the response to the militarisation of the South Atlantic, the LatAm left want a region of peace but aren't going to let themselves be the victims of agression
Aug 11th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Aug 11th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 11th, 2012 - 08:35 pm
The only aggression they are concerned about is from Argentina. They are the only ones with form. Nobody there feels threatened by the British or the FI. I think they secretly hope that Argentina will do something stupid though. Then watch whilst the UK stunts the Argentine Armed Forces just that bit more.
@9
Aug 11th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if they hate the British' militarisation ' with ONE ship (hahahaah) so much why are the Brazilians buying British ships?
@9 really, now thats strange correct me if im wrong but generally a response usually comes after the event does it not? stay with me i know its complicated,
Aug 12th, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0yet brazil ordered 3 of these vessels from the UK back in january 2012 a full month before empress c0ckhoare protested publicly about militarization of the south atlantic supposingly by the UK , so the arrival of brazils vessel cannot be a response as they were already on order well before the “militarization” headline, my guess is princess pen1s breath found out brazil was doing biz-ness with little old britain back in february got her face in a mess and sh1t herself knowing her northern competitor was beefing up its navy with some class UK ships, all this at the same time argtards happened to step up their one-way war of words at the UK since near the start of the year.
i guess her threats behind closed doors to the UK PM not to sell ships to Brazil didnt work either.
The old scrote throat shouted “de-militarization” to secretly try and stop brazil arming their navy and used the UK as the fallguy. her game is out she is not worried about the UK attacking her its her neighbours growing power shes fearing, im quite surprised she hasnt found a chubby little militarized ally to suck on, for security, oh she has!
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/11/amazonas-first-of-three-ocean-patrol-vessels-built-for-brazil-leaves-uk#comment152915: Two reasons. First, the UK needs the money and, second, the UK believes that by selling arms it can gain some influence with Brazil.
Aug 12th, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent news.
Aug 12th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mad Bitch Of Argentia can scweem and scweem until she is swickkc (I really prefer 'has a fatal aneurism' but it doesn't work) and it won't make any difference at all: situation normal then.
Ha, ha, ha.
These were already built/being built for the navy of Trinidad and Tobago when they terminated the contract, so BAE had to offload them somewhere and it was too good of a deal for Brazil to pass up, especially as they were looking for OPVs anyway.
Aug 12th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The MUCH juicier prize for BAE will be if the Brazilians want to be cut in on the Type 26 frigate project.
@13 Hepatia (#)
Aug 12th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 12th, 2012 - 07:10 am
Any influence Britain has with Brazil is the influence Britain has always had with Brazil. These vessels will not change it nor are they intended to. Get back in your box.
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Aug 12th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's difficult to say, the french lobby in the brazilian navy is too strong, as the nuclear submarine project is on going. I think it would be a great addition to our navy, however, we are planning a second fleet, with an aircraft carrier or a muiti-purpose carrier as flaship, so probably we gonna sign a full pack. The france got the edge again, cause they have both (aircraft carrier projects and multi-purpose Mistral) and also the FREMM. Sorry for my english, greetings.
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Aug 12th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the Brazilians currently have a stock of British built frigates (i think) so if they're happy with them they might go British again, and because of the length of time the MN have offered up the FREMM to them and the Brazilians still haven't said anything must mean they're at least waiting for a finalised design for the T26, IMO.
The French as far as I know have no aircraft carrier project, they were going to build from the basic British QE design but as far as I know that's pretty much been defunked. I've heard nothing recently (i.e a year) about the PA-2 and they seem like they're going to carry on with Charles De Gaulle.
The MOD is making a decision in the 2015 SDSR about replacing Ocean so there is the potential for collaberation on a LHD/LPH project.
But I suspect they'll still go French in terms of maritime aviation, they have a good relationship in that respect.
@ 1 PirateLove: There's no threat to Brazil in the area.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3 BritishguyfromLondon: There's no such thing. Brazil gave political support to Argentina in that case because of a huge billateral trade among these two South American nations.
The following statement illustrate this:
“Los pueblos de América del Sur están íntimamente unidos por vínculos de naturaleza e intereses recíprocos.” Jose Artigas (founding father of Uruguay)
“Peoples of South America are closely linked by ties of nature and mutual interests.” Jose Artigas (founding father of Uruguay)
@ 7 slattzzz: Brazilians hate Argentinians like the British hate the French. It's more about jokes and specially football than real hate. Thousands of Brazilians visit Buenos Aires or Bariloche for skying every year.
@ 10 Furry-Fat-Feck: I don't think Brazil is considering secretly that Argentina will do something stupid. I guess this vessel is just a small part of today's Brazilian government to make the outdated navy stronger in order to protect new foundly offshore oil.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/11/amazonas-first-of-three-ocean-patrol-vessels-built-for-brazil-leaves-uk#comment152993: Who would have guessed that you speak Brazilian Portuguese sufficiently well to pick up how much the Brazilians hate the Argentinians!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 & @18
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it'll also depend largely on what type of aircraft are chosen to be on the carrier as well (assuming that the plan is still to retire the Skyhawk fleet in the 2020s at some point).
If the planned aircraft are to be catapult-launched then the French or the Americans would be the obvious logical choice (as the only two nations who have built catapults in the last few decades), however if the aircraft are chosen for having a short take-off then the British (or the Russians and/or the US) do probably have have edge.
It's worth noting that if you want something innovative then Britain does have a habit of trying new things (steam catapult (HMS Perseus), ski jump ramps (first tested at RAE Bedford), angled flight decks (HMS Triumph), full-length decks (HMS Argus) and even the brilliant, and only slightly insane idea of having a flexible deck so your carrier based aircraft could belly-land and use the weight saved for extra fuel/armament (actually tested on HMS Warrior using a de Havilland Sea Vampire with a reinforced underbody)) on their carriers, which might be useful?
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