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Falklands included in Argentina’s UN continental shelf committee presentation
Argentina made a technical presentation last week before the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, CLCS, on the exterior limits of the Argentine shelf in which the claimed territories of the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and ‘Argentine Antarctica’ were included. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina's claim to the Falkland Islands is no stronger than Canada claiming Alaska because it's closer. This is another load of propaganda and part of Argentina's 'Great Malvinas Lie' to distract their public away from harsh economic facts, most of which has been brought about by poor governance.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Peso is only going one way...
So how does this work?
Aug 14th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina’s theory the islands are all on the same very large continental shelve which they are on and therefore the islands and everything else on this shelve belongs to them…?
Forgive my lack of geographical knowledge and technical knowledge in this space but does this same shelve not also extend to all other costal countries along the eastern side of South America? So Brazil etc by default is also Argentina’s…!
Does this not also mean that the UK sitting on the same shelve as France now belongs to the French or vice versa?
I think this is where the argument for Argentina’s land grab policy towards the Falklands and additional island surely must fall down. Especially considering the Falklands have their own Assembly governing their own land. That said I am looking at this with an open and practical view which will clearly be ignored by others claiming I am some sort of Pirate.
My real worry is not Argentina. They will implode soon enough due to their economy etc and CFK will be ousted to be replaced potentially by yet another radical pro Malvinas fool. No, my worry is the UN continues to spend time listening to them on the issue and entertaining their one sided blinkered view towards a peaceful neighbour.
The opening part of H.G. Wells War of the Worlds come to mind when thinking of Argentina’s attitude to the Falkland’s.
“Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.”
You cannot infer sovereignty from the continental shelf
Aug 14th, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0It does give some rights to exploit minerals etc but all of the UK BOTs will have up to a 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone - irrespective of whether they have a continental shelf or not. The map shows this very clearly
More Argentine idiocy. By this 'logic' we get Iceland and Ireland. Reykjavik is closer to London than Port Stanley is to Buenos Aires. Have those morons ever looked at a map which includes other parts of the world?
Aug 14th, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0How are South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands part of the South American Continental shelf? I coudn't possibly be that this whole 'continental shelf' notion is based on Argentina's territorial wishlist rather than any international law could it? (shock horror)
Aug 14th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the so called Argentine Antarctic; Argentina is a signatory of the Antarctic treaty yet tries to get their sovereignty claim ratified in the UN? It's actually quite impressive in a way how the Argentine government always succeed in being innefective and hypocritical at the same time.
This looks like another non-starter of an Argentine argument.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UNCLOS is quite cleat that a state's continental shelf cannot exceed 400 miles from its mean low water mark, or 120 miles beyond a depth of 2500 meters.
Given the distances, it is hard to see how even Argentina can claim with a straight face that the Falklands, South Georgia, and South Sandwich islands are Argentine because they lie within the Argentine continental shelf. It seems, rather, that they are trying to claim the reverse : because the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich islands are Argentine, the Argentine continental shelf extends all the way to Antarctica.
I wonder what the migrating birds have to say about that.
I think the Argentinians are onto something here, but we in the UK should expand it further.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since ALL landmasses share the same planet as the UK then, logically, all of the world belongs to the UK.
Simple, all problems now solved.
Under that logic.....Cuba and the Bahamas are American. And previously stated, Alaska is Canadian. WAKEUP and smell the roses RG. The world ispassing you by as you whine........have some cheese.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm, I think the Falklands shelf now extends to within 50 miles of Argentina if they want to be silly buggers.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain now belongs to france, ireland to Britain, or does Ireland have a claim on britain and britain a claim on the whole of europe and beyond.
Argentina's next claim will be that the Falklands belong to them because Argentina is first in the alphabet!
UNCLOS will not mediate on a sovereignty dispute; the UK has already submitted a counter claim on behalf of FIG. UNCLOS will note the disputed areas and put the issue back on the shelf, where it has been since 2009, until the “dispute” is resolved. Just another peice of colourful propaganda for the people at home to convince them that the RG Government is making progress.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0South georgia is 1600 miles from argentina claiming the two are connected is madness .
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even in the days of empire even the british empire wouldnt have tried a stunt like that.
What a load of unadulterated crap! Any re-drawing of national boundaries on this basis if universally applied would lead to monumental problems and probably war. Just take the Channel Islands for instance!
Aug 14th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Greek Islands in the Aegean - well the mind boggles at what might happen.
As for us - let the hysterics come from CFK and hope that the Brits just speak softly and continue to carry a big stick - like HMS Dauntless and several Typhoons!
“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”It seems, rather, that they are trying to claim the reverse : because the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich islands are Argentine, the Argentine continental shelf extends all the way to Antarctica. “”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“””
Aug 14th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
@5 For a “potted” version, I read the Wikipedia article on continental shelf. Notably, the largest “continental shelf” is the Siberian Shelf in the Arctic Ocean. It is 930 miles in width. I'm sure that argieland would like to work on the basis that their “continental shelf”, i.e. adjacent to argieland, would include the Falklands. Then the Falklands would “extend” the “continental shelf” so that they could claim South Georgia and the same again for the South Sandwich Islands. And, presumably, they could claim the whole of Antarctica as well. However, there was an interesting bit. “Inhabited volcanic islands such as the Canaries, which have no actual continental shelf, nonetheless have a legal continental shelf, whereas uninhabitable islands have no shelf.” Therefore, it must surely be the case that the Falkland Islands, or perhaps the Falklands Archipelago, has its own legal continental shelf. And whether South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are inhabited or not, they are not uninhabitable. Seems to me that the whole legitimacy of the argie claim can be questioned.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is becoming even more Disney-like with the passage of time, although - good as they are at living in fantasyland - they don't have the gumption to ever produce characters as great as Mickey or Minnie Mouse or Pluto! Sigh.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Musky (#)
Aug 14th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:36 am
Because the moon exerts tidal forces which manifest in Argentine coastal regions it shows conclusively that the moon belongs to Argenina. Furthermore, because this tidal force is exerted everywhere else in the world, the world also belongs to Argentina! Ha! We is ares ownes your are base! Losers! Liars! Pirates!
los mundos pertenece a la Argentina! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
I've interpreted that about right haven't I?
Argtards take your pick,
Aug 14th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0ICJ - SELF DETERMINATION - HM FORCES - DEMOCRACY
unlike the Argtards historical genocidal “conquest of the desert” , the “restoration of The Malvitas” is and will ever be a tale for Arg school children and gullable peronist tards.
However i would be lying if i said i wasnt taking a wicked pleasure in Argtards failed peronist struggle on a daily basis for The Prosperous Falklands while the argtards suffer at the hands of their own Dear Leader Evita supreme Tard despot, keep up the good work,your mission of self-destruction is close to completion.
@16 War Monkey
Aug 14th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine gravitational forces extend way beyond the moon, out to infinity and beyond ! There are as yet undiscovered worlds to which argentina has a claim, why do you think aliens are thin on the ground , they don't want to deal with persistent idiotic claims of sovereignty.!
To say that Argentina's claim is somehow supported by “Geographic Information Systems” is phoney, because GIS is just a mapping technology that by itself is apolitical. The shelf is a continental shelf, not an Argentina shelf, and is a physical but not political boundary. The marine area within the Falkland Islands territory is properly called the Falkland Islands territorial sea, and if the Argentines want to call their own maritime territory the Argentina Sea, no problem with that.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, it is incorrect to call the territorial sea within the Falkland Islands territory, “Mar Argentino”, as is shown inconsistently on Google Maps (http://goo.gl/maps/oWqi1), but not on Google Earth.
Laugh as you may,
Aug 14th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it does not help the situation when the UN entertains this stupid folly,
The UN should tell argentina it is not valid, and the islanders should also put a protest of complaint into the un,
As more the UN except these fools, it gives the impression they are indeed correct,
Just a thought,
As we all live on the same planet, does this mean we all belong to the mighty CFK growing earths empire,
Or are we just dreaming .lol.
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Let's examine the real reason that Argentina is making this declaration. They say that Argentina is:
Aug 14th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“protecting its continental shelf resources and reaffirming sovereignty over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich and Argentine Antarctica”
What they are up to is declaring victory without firing a shot, so that the rest of the world accepts their claim of jurisdiction, in order that when they finally do go to war and invade the Islands again, the rest of the world agrees that they are only taking back land that has (by acceptance of these continental shelf claims) already belonged to them.
The world turned against Argentina in 1982, because their act was an unlawful action of aggression made without any provocation. That is unless you accept their absurd belief that the original provocation was in 1833.
Argentina has been progressively cultivating support, politically at the UN & appealing to other nations as an 'oppressed third world country' that was cruelly robbed of her territory, quite neglecting to mention that they tried to steal the land from both Spain & Britain in 1826-33.
We must be wary of such claims, because although they come from a country that is bankrupt, both economically & morally, if you tell enough lies, then some people will be gullible enough to believe them (Penn & Morrissey for example).
These claims if accepted, together with the international support for discussions on sovereignty, would be taken as an excuse or Casus Belli to invade & conquer the Falklands, South Georgia & the other islands. Argentina is aggressively pursuing a systematic process of gaining acceptance for any real act of aggression & then to condemn the United Kingdom when they have succeeded in taking the Islands for any attempt to remove them from their 'lawful' territory. Don't be fooled into thinking that the Argentines are living in a Disneyworld fantasy. What they are planning to do is invade & we should prepare the Islands so they can be defended.
Using the same RG logic...
Aug 14th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Bahamas would belong to the USA
Cuba would belong to the USA
Sri Lanka would belong to India
Malta would belong to Italy
The above countries would have much stronger cases than Argentina over the FI, as all the examples are within the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone of the continental country.
@21 nigelpwsmith
Aug 14th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think you need to worry for one moment...
Taken directly from:
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/commission_purpose.htm
The purpose of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (the Commission or CLCS) is to facilitate the implementation of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (the Convention) in respect of the establishment of the outer limits of the continental shelf beyond 200 nautical miles (M) from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. Under the Convention, the coastal State shall establish the outer limits of its continental shelf where it extends beyond 200 M on the basis of the recommendation of the Commission. The Commission shall make recommendations to coastal States on matters related to the establishment of those limits; its recommendations and actions shall not prejudice matters relating to the delimitation of boundaries between States with opposite or adjacent coasts.
me again...
Which basically means that the commission's report has no effect on boundaries between states.
So @23 in other words they are trying to sneak their claim to large swathes of the regionvia a committee that has no ability to adjudicate on the issue. They really are slippery barstewards aren't they? Got to watch them like a hawk. Personally when I deal with people I like to make sure they trust me, and I like to deal with people I trust. If Argentina was a person I would cross the street to avoid it.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Government will once again make fools out of itself when they are told by the international community that they are talking bollocks, and that they have no legal jurisdiction over the Falklands, it's EEZ, or any of the 'continental shelf' it sits on. They have even less claim to South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands and Anarctica.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 - Iron Man
To take your analogy further. If Argentina was a person you'd keep checking your pockets to ensure your wallet was still there, as they are thieves and liars, whilst keeping your back to the wall as they are likely to stab you in it.
LEPRecon, I guess the worry is that with only seven committee members and a couple of them being LatAms, then a few backhanders or some more lying/deceit they might just about get it through. Then we'll never hear the end of it ...'UN backs our claim ja ja ja etc'
Aug 14th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot imagine for a nanosecond that anyone at the CLCS is going to be surprised at the latest Argie fairytale.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are of course too polite to tell the Argies to piss-off, grow up, and do not treat us as idiots, even if your own people believe this crap.
I think that would cover it.
Oh goody that means Argentina belongs to the Falklands seeing that Argentina did not exist when the Falklands was settled by us. Thanks for clearing that bit of a mess up Now when are you going to piss of so that we can settle and bring a little stability to the area
Aug 14th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Continuing with all the examples given - The Spanish Canary Island are certainly on the African continental shelf, it is fair to say Morocco has a valid claim too. Actually, if Morocco had sovereignty my holiday pound would go a lot further with the dirham than the euro... ummm. Right then, Spain is an illegal, clandenstine imperial power than has usurped my poor brothers in North African and must without delay enter into dialogue bla bla bla or some kind of nonsense like that :)
Aug 14th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not forget Madagascar.....what African country will claim that? And Greenland is surely Canada.....as for New Guinea, definitely Austalian.....and Malasia, Phillipines, indonesia. What a can or worms.....lol
Aug 14th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think (Could be wrong) the British submitted their claim to the seabed around and between the British S Atlantic islands, including areas of Antarctica should the treaty ever be lifted, months if not years ago.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The geological survey should agree with the British data and establish the limit of the sovereign power’s rights. Not however who the sovereign power is.
Once the area is defined the sovereign power has the rights.
Argentina may actually be helping the British cause here.
They seem to deliberately and completely ignore the difference between geological, geographical and geopolitical boundries, and think no one will notice.
One more for the list, Trinidad 6 N/miles from the coast of Venezuela, 400 N/miles would be most of the Caribbean. Hugo will love this.
Rights of self-determination of human beings,versus oozy ocean floor. Tricky problem.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina's Defense Minister assessed that relationship with Chile is “an example for the region”
Aug 14th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arturo Puricelli met with his counterpart Andres Allamand and reviewed various issues on the bilateral agenda, such as Peace Force Combined Southern Cross and the participation of both countries in the peacekeeping force in Haiti'
http://www.emol.com/noticias/internacional/2012/08/13/555509/ministro-de-defensa-de-argentina-senala-que-relacion-con-chile-es-un-ejemplo-para-la-region.html
I notice one of the adjudicators is Danish, who'll probably be sensible knowing that we could claim the Faroe Islands if he supports Argentina's claim.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This could work the other way round. Not enough is said about the Falkland Islanders that settled in Patagonia in the 1800s (to escape the FIC) long before the Argentines showed up,(From the Falklands to Patagonia,Mainwaring).
As the Falklands are on the same continental shelf as Argentina, then Argentina is on the same continental shelf as the Falklands, which in theory could lead to a counter claim by the UK, if the UN start using this to support Argentina's claims.
Personally, I forecast another impotent result from this like the banning of FI flagged ships, (backfired), they've lost tourist income, the pathetic Olympic stunt (backfired), behind the scenes Argentina got a ballocking from the IOC, the threats to take oil companies to court (backfired) as Italian French and USA companies not deterred, the shut-the-door-after-the -horse-has-bolted offer of three AA flights per week (backfired), Argentina has not the guts to talk to FIG and I shall bore you no more, you can add to these amply.
@33 - 'Argentina's Defense Minister assessed that relationship with Chile is “an example for the region”
Aug 14th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is the case, this claim won't help matters much, as “Argentine Antarctica” overlaps quite considerably with “Chilean Antarctica”
@21 nigelpwsmith Absolutely spot on. We can (and do) laugh at the Argentine government's absurd declarations and 'demands', they are a big joke to us. Unfortunately, though their rhetoric is ludicrous, they are clearly willing and able to bring death and misery to the people of the Falkland Islands, if we ever let them. Laughable though Argentine bluster may be, they are putting an enormous effort into their disinformation and propaganda campaigns. It may seem absurd to us that they should put so much effort into spouting such nonsense so relentlessly and with such passion. However, it is with deliberate and planned purpose. Argentina, though clearly the aggressor, whilst harassing and threatening a peaceful population of islanders hundreds of miles away, they are playing the role of victim, saying that this 'peaceful region' is under threat, and that they are afraid. In the late 1930s Hitler and the Nazis did exactly the same thing, claiming to be the victim and accusing Poland of aggression and provocation, before attacking and occupying Poland. We should clearly state our determination to defend the Falkland Islands and their population, and give some indication of what our disproportionate response will be if any Argentine government ever tries again to invade as they did in 1982.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current gang of reprobates running Argentina are the most despicable and offensive bunch of muppets since Galtieri and his junta. Let's hope the Argentine people have the sense and capability to get rid of them before we have to.
@36 Alexi I agree with you completely.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Current indications are that the Argentine Government is preparing for an attack some time in the next 2 or 3 years, or sooner if the opportunity presents itself, such as a major war in the middle-east (Iran/Israel). The window of opportunity is narrowing. British forces will be returning from Afghanistan soon & unless redeployed to Iran, can be reinforce the Islands to make them impregnable.
In my view the critical point will be reached when oil production begins. Argentina is not willing to act just yet, as the rigs are still exploring. Even less so if these rigs belong to a US company. However, a production platform would be a game-changer and nationalistic fervour in Argentina would compel CFK to act or suffer humiliation & removal at home.
The current policy is to garner support for Argentina's claim from other nations by suggesting that Argentina is the victim & that Great Britain, a nuclear power & security council member, is bullying them.
Most S.American politicians support the Argentine position, but the opposite is true at grass-roots level. The Argentines are hated and despised by most Uruguayans and Brazilians. Argentina's agreement is needed for any Mercosur consensus. But they refuse this unless the others support their position over the Islands. When Obama refused to even include the Falklands in the OAS summit, CFK threw a tantrum. When the G20 met, she tried to ambush Cameron & make it appear that he refused to talk to her or even accept the UN C24 statement requesting sovereignty talks. CFK uses these incidents to push her propaganda with other nations. The applause she received at the C24 meeting in NewYork in contrast to the silence received by the Falkland Islands representatives shows how much support Argentina has gained.
Another conflict is coming over oil & CFK is making sure that the world supports Argentina beforehand, so that when they invade, they can declare it a 'Fait Accompli'
if you ever get bored of the usual argtard la campora dribble claiming they are the voice of the masses check out clarins or la nacion websites for an insight of the real masses opinion quite a shocker so much homegrown hatred towards their empress and her reich, highly entertaining google translate its a must.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0heres one example: theres many!
http://www.clarin.com/politica/convencieron-Cristina-conflicto-perjudicaba-Macri_0_755324638.html
Britain and falklanders should put together a counter claim on argentina just for the fun of it
Aug 15th, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 039 brit abroad “Britain and falklanders should put together a counter claim on argentina just for the fun of it”
Aug 15th, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's right, the whole world will laugh at Britain claimimg Malvinas from 14000 km away.
Marcos u mean a little like we all laugh at u being possibly the largest of all idiots posting in these forums?
Aug 15th, 2012 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where/what are the malvinas?
The rest of the world!!??!!??
I guess u have some weird mental problem, in that u like sounding like a idiot, right?
@37 Let's hope Cameron, the Foreign Office and the MoD get the picture and react accordingly.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 I'll check that out. Good to know that the Argentine government, and its supporters here aren't necessarily representative of the Argentine people. It's not nice to despise an entire nation. Even the Malvinistas can't be blamed, they're indoctrinated with this nonsense in what pass for schools in Argentina, as shown in this Australian documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJeM6ifRbA
2 to 3 years more like 20
Aug 15th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinians can talk to whoever they want. It won't change anything.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0These kinds of disputes are popping up all over the world and the UN itself is completely ineffectual.
Marcos! King of all single cell life forms, where are you?
Aug 15th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Can I just mention that, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_shelf , the Canaries have no actual continental shelf!
Aug 15th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Just be careful. Remember that one of the first actions of WW2 was the Gleiwitz incident when Nazi forces, posing as Poles, attacked a German radio station. It, and other actions, was intended to give the impression of Polish aggression against Germany. Now think about the war cemetery incident at Darwin.
@40 Have you read this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_shelf Now please note that the UK claim was made on 11 May 2009. I'm not sure of my arithmetic. Can you just confirm that was 3 YEARS ago? Don't hear anyone laughing. And WE WILL get what we want. Because we're intelligent. Something no-one could accuse you of. Oh, and look! It's in the Guardian.
@43 Should you not think of the argie “constitution” and CFK statements. I put the “constitution” in inverted commas because it seems that the argies just ignore it when it suits them. But, at present, CFK says she doesn't want another term as president. Is she telling the truth? Or could she be “persuaded”? “El Presidente” “serves” for 4 years. Would CFK like to “recover” the Falklands as her “crowning glory”. Might she think she had matched “Evita”? And never forget that she's a “nut-job”!
@37 @36 @21 agreed. As I have previously stated...
Aug 15th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like Nestor, Chavez and Lula da Silva had some kind of agreement several years ago. Around the time Brazil suddenly decided to build submarines and Argentina pulled out of the fisheries /oil agreement.
The sabre rattling was to gain SA support and justify their actions against 'Britain' to the world. The attack on the Shrine was to lose SA support for the islanders.
I think they will try and escalate this at the OAS or Unasur first, to maybe get a resolution to further justify their actions.
I estimate a 20% chance of an invasion in the next 12 months.
But things maybe changing, the US I believe will support the islanders after the referendum, should be game over for the RGs.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain
47 Steve-32-uk
Aug 15th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will also be a new President by the time the referendum is completed.
I am always mindful of what the Nazi leader in the film 'Sum of all fears' says to his supporters about the American Presidental elections: 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.
But perhaps it might be different with Romney.
@48
Aug 15th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chris, you never know, she might install her son as the new president, just as Putin installed a puppet, so that he could try again 4 years later.
That said, after reading the article about the MP Argentine Oil-bond issue, I suspect that the collapse may be sooner than we thought. By this time next year, La Kretina will have sold YPF to Chavez for a large number of suitcases stuffed with dollars.
49 nigelpwsmith
Aug 15th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think soething along those lines could happen, but FatBoy is seen as a recluse and intolerant of people who stand up to him, like all cowards.
It's about time the Falklands claim Argentina as part of their territory.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all, it is on the same continental shelf as the islands.
Using the voice of Rocky from Rocky and Bullwinkle:
Aug 16th, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again??? That trick never works!
Chuckle chuckle
@ 30 Captain Poppy
Aug 16th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have to disappoint you there.
Greenland is a part of Denmark, and thus Canada is Danish, same as the US and Mexico - and extending further south(?) - you also have to consider, that the first Europeans in the Americas came from Greenland :-)
#20 “As we all live on the same planet, does this mean we all belong to the mighty CFK growing earths empire,
Aug 16th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or are we just dreaming”
Cristina as world president, now that IS a great dream =)
@51 St.John
Aug 16th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't give the argentines false hope, it's something they've often dreamt of and far more likely than acquistion of the Falklands.
It's amusing the thought of the Falklands claiming the rest of Argentina as their territory. However, you may not be aware that a similar situation still exists somewhere else in the world and closer to home.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guilliame the Bastard, otherwise known as William the Bastard, also known as William of Normandy, also known (later on) as William the Conqueror, or William I annexed the Channel Islands in 933. He then proceeded to annexe Great Britain in 1066!
The amusing point is that the Channel Islands are the only remaining part of William's territory that still belongs to the Crown of the United Kingdom. Technically, the United Kingdom belongs to the Channel Islands, not the other way around, but the Channel Islands are treated as a Crown Dependency.
So you see, there is a precedent where a small island offshore a much larger state actually did conquer that state and technically still owns it!
@ 56 nigelpwsmith
Aug 16th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and Guilliame/William's forefather was a Dane named Rollo, first duke of Normandy, related to the Danish king Harold.
So Denmark can settle the Falklands dispute once and for all by annexing the Americas and reconquer Britain (it was theirs around 1020). :-D
It's hilarious to review the absurdities that results from the Argentine claim to the Falklands based on it being part of their 'continental shelf'.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was truly not aware of the Channel Islands legal status until someone from Jersey pointed it out. One of Queen Elizabeth II's titles is the Duke (or rather Duchess) of Normandy.
William the Conqueror was the first ruler of England with that title, but the second Duke of Normandy. As you point out, he is also related to the Danish Kings.
It gets better though. Britain can claim:
The throne of France through Henry II and HenryV
The throne of Spain through Eleanor of Castile & Mary I
The throne of Germany through the house of Hanover & Queen Victoria
The throne of Russia through Alix of Hesse & Queen Victoria
The throne of Greece through Prince Philip
Philip's mother also leads us back to Battenburg and.......... Yes you've guessed it......
The Throne of Denmark.
Basically, the royal families of Europe are so interconnected, it's a wonder they survived!
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Aug 16th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Basically, the royal families of Europe are so interconnected, it's a wonder they survived!”
The russian and german ones didn't. The October revolution of 1917 and The Treaty of Versailles saw to that.
However, if they ever restore their monarchies to a position of power i'm sure our monarch will be glad to fulfill their requirement for someone to sit on the throne :)
I seem to recall that the person tweeting as Queen Elizabeth would tweet “RULE YOU!” or “USED TO RULE YOU!” as the nations walked into the Olympics opening ceremony.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hehe that was classic.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“so, which vanquished nation do you hail from?”
[OT - but most comments are :-D ] Talk about hilarious.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legend has it that when Hrólfr (Rolf, Rollo) was required to kiss the big toe of the French king Charles le Simple (Charles the Simple), as was costumary for newly appointed dukes, as a viking warlord he refused to bend down before the king and instead lifted the king's foot to his mouth so the king fell over on the ground.
I'm sure La Kretina was a bit confused at the Bond sequence in the Opening Ceremony at the Olympics.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see, in Argentina.........
When they drop people out of helicopters........
They don't normally have a parachute!
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Aug 18th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#63 Queen Cristina would make a great bond girl =) Elizabeth though a bit old for the part did well too I thought =)
Aug 19th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only Bond part that fits La Kretina is the villain who drops into a nuclear reactor or dies screaming as she is crushed between two rollers, or gets eaten alive by crocodiles, or bursts into flames and is incinerated.
Aug 19th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I could go on.....
But it's satisfactory to know that all Bond villains like Kretina eventually die a horrible death. Most likely at the hands of her own citizens.
@66 How many Bond girls have a voice that is a cross between machine gun fire and a gravel pit?
Aug 19th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose that the film makers could be doing their pc bit and have her as a “special” Bond girl.
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