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Double standards in Ecuador: Correa ready to extradite Belarus who faces death threat
Less than a year ago an Ecuadorean judge denied a request to extradite Aliaksandr Barankov to Belarus, the former Soviet bloc nation whose president has been nicknamed “Europe's last dictator”, reports the US and European media. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis Barankov sounds like a good guy. Maybe CFK could send some fact finders over there to study their methods, after all I'm sure the argies would welcome another 18 years of her in power. And if the constitution needs to be rewritten to make it come true, no harm in that is there?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes Ecuador. That bastion of human rights...
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0We should just close the Ecuador embassy get Assange and send him to Sweden where he will face a fair trial. After all Ecuador is a corrupt, crime ridden country that is of no influence and has not exactly given the world anything of worth.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any country that seeks links with regimes who systematically abuse human rights and then claims to be trying to protect an alleged rapist does not deserve to have an embassy in London.
Lift up you head and smell the air, smell it? odious hypocricy. Assange you are a self serving attention seeking twat. You have sold your soul to a despot and you do not now have the slighest degree of credibility, if you ever had it at all.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Barankov is extradited and murdered the world should treat Correa and Ecuador for what they will rightly desrve to be, pariahs and I could not give a ferk if I spelled that wrong, the meaning is clear enough!
I don't think that you can make any claims about Ecuador in relation to this until they actually announce they are going to extradite him. Ecuador is one of many tin pot little South American countries with a very poor record on human rights and the rule of law - but the Assange case and the whiff of hypocrisy might just be the elements that spare Barankov from extradition.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like distinguishing between Assange and Wikileaks we must distinguish between Correa and Ecuador. The institutions of Equador seemed to be doing fine on the rights and wrongs of this case until Correa stuck his nose in.
Correa is a fool dragging Equador down a futile path. I hope the institutions in Ecuador win the battle over his corrupt presidency. As for Assange - let his holiday in the embassy be long and mind bendingly dull. He should have found himself a prison/embassy with an exercise yard and a pool.
As Ecuador gets aid from UK, and Ecuador doesn't repect UK and Sweden, I say give that aid to the Falkland Islands (non-returnable) to help with developing a port or help start up a bio-fuel plant.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can we let JA go to Ecuador where as soon as he says something that upsets the government he will be horrifically persecuted.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 06 Or use it to fund the Police Operation going on outside Ecuador's Embassy.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think Ms Khan et al can also wave goodbye to the bail monies they stumped up.
Pinochet, McKinnon... The land of the poly-standards is accusing Ecuador of double standards... What is wrong, old empire? Needs Ecuador to implement a few more standards before you lot are pleased?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0If my memory serves me right Pinochet was arrested by Britain on behalf of Spain and was detained under house arrest until he was released but only after the Spanish changed their minds.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0McKinnon is subject to the due process of law but so far hasn't been extradited to the US. As far as I know he hasn't run off to some seedy Foreign Embassy to claim asylum.
And then we have Julian Assange.................accused under Swedish law of criminal offences against two women........ Even fabulous George reckons his behaviour wasn't etiquette. Whether it was or wasn't criminal is not up to me, you, George, the UK Supreme Court, El Presidente of Ecuador or some Argentine Muppet......Its up to the Swedish Courts, if they still want him.
Personally I would like him and Ecuador out of my Country at the earliest opportunity.
Lets wait and see what happens to Barankov. If he goes back Ecuador will stand accused of the most disgraceful double standards.
@10 Do you think Correa or any of these tin pot LatAm leaders care about being accused of double standards? They have been accused of much worse and don't seem to care much about that. Plus they will just say their accuser is a colonialist or bully or some such drivel.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting that in a speech last night Correa said something along the lines that he did not want to fall out with the UK and ranted about the US being the villain in this dispute.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't agree with what he said but it shows that he is engaging in US bashing to please Chavez.
Isn't double standards and hypocracy the rule and not the exception for most of Latam leaders? Ecuador is on a roll as they continue to look like a bigger idiot each passing day they have the self annointed “savior of truth and justice” under their wing.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That apartment must be getting small fast. I am sure between MI-6 and the NSA, everything is known about their plans.
Interesting that Julian Assange seeks to align his case with that of the three Russian “Pussy Riot” girls who really are going to be in prison at hard labour for 2 years for their 40-second lip-synching anti-Putin stunt in a Moscow church. At the 8:34 minute mark in his London Ecuador Embassy balcony speech, Assange is saying “...on Friday, a Russian band was sentenced to two years in jail for a political performance...”:
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqv1DSTVv4
12 ElaineB (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 12:04 pm
This is 'Early Onset Oh!-feck-it-I-think-I-might-have-made-a-mistake-itis'.
Although I don't see why he wants to 'stay friends' with the UK but pull Uncle Sam's tail for the sake of a few favours with Fat Chav. Aren't the UK supposed to be the USA's lapdog? Wouldn't this cement Ecuador's position as Venezuela's lapdog?
There is a double standard right there alongside the Aliaksandr Barankov case. Maybe in Latam two double standards equal one 'standard' standard?
Anyway. he won't get an apology if this government wants my vote at the next election because there is nothing for us to apologise for. Ecuador can find their own way out of this mess seeing as it was a mess of their own making.
The irony is that 'the threat' to suspend the embassy buildings political status was in itself a 'get out of this mess free card' offered by the UK government confidentially. By twisting and turning it and shouting about it from the roof tops the only way out for Ecuador now is going to be a very humiliating climb down.
They still haven't reconciled the concept of child like politics with the very different concept grown up intergovernmental diplomacy. The UK government will keep very quiet now and watch the silly throb jockeys squirm.
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Aug 22nd, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ecuador really shut you up, didn't they? Ecuador of all!!
Now, kindly do as Ecuador tells you to and stay the fook out of their territory :) Old empire...
Shame on MercoPress. This article is full of it, they wouldn't even wait till a ruling is made, they are already accusing Ecuador of “double standards”. How about an article about Diego Garcia an UK's double standards?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic...
#15 It may very well be a very humiliating climb down for Ecuador. But in reality, most latam leaders have yet to realize when they've humilaited themselves internationally. So in essense, to them it's not a humiliation, despise the world snickering at them, let they do to TMBOBA
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz - Don't get your knickers in a twist. We will just bide our time while Assange goes gradually mentally ill in his self inflicted incarceration. The problem with you South Americans is that you are too impatient and need to rant and rave to blow off the steam caused by the realisation of your own insignificance.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Assange is innocent they he has decided to spend his time locked away in a little office rather than defend himself in a court of law and then be a free man. While this goes on the world continues to see how small minded political leaders lose their temper and can be played like a banjo.
Perhaps you lot could learn a thing or two from the old empire rather than the Nazis or Communists which we stood up to and defeated.
9 Guzz
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of the 3: Pinochet, Mckinnon and Assange which should be (should have been) extradited?
Pinochet: committed no crime in Spain, therefore no extradition to Spain.
McKinnon: would face the death penalty in US, therefore no extradition to US.
Assange: accused of rape in Sweden, no threat of death penalty, therefore extradition approved.
Seems perfectly fair to me, unless of course “justice” should be reserved for those you don’t like.
17 PGH (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 01:44 pm
Because Diego Garcia is irrelevant to this issue.
Condorito
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why I say we must let moral rule, not law. Your side has this awkward way if always finding a good excuse as to why your criminals shouldn't be tried.
I too want to see Assange destroy the Swedes non existant proofs, but as the farce is too obvious, making sure USA doesn't get their dirty hands on him, is top priority.
22 Guzz (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 02:58 pm
Yes it is obvious. It is obvious that Assange is trying to avoid Swedish justice and is using the threat of extraordinary rendition to the USA as a smoke screen.
Also if I we you Guzz I would be careful about saying things like “we must let moral rule, not the law”, after all morals are subjective and what you preach is that people should be judged on a whim. Did you learn this in Latam Guzz? Before you ran away to liberal, free thinking, progressive Europe? I only ask because your Malvinista buddies are claiming that they are abide to the letter of the law in all of their dealings so what is it to be Guzz. Morals or the law? Or do you just swing between the two concepts depending on which one suits you argument the best?
I beg your pardon, but my freedom of choice seems to be far wider than yours. Are those two options you are “free” to choose from?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said we need no laws, but moral should go over law and not vice versa
Sorry but I don't understand the first part of your question or even if it was a question.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then you said and I quote:
“That is why I say we must let moral rule, not law.”
Terrorists let morals rule and ride roughshod over law. Vigilantes just let their emotions take over. I've heard of mobs burning down the houses of paediatricians because they got the word mixed up with peadophile. So much for letting morals overrule the law.
You say we need laws. More accurately you said “I never said we need no laws,” so what is it to be?
You could introduce a law that somebody else thinks is immoral and does something to undermine your law. How would you feel about that?
That is a dangerous road to embark on: raising someone above the law because you already “know” they are innocent. Pinochet would have wanted you as Minister of Justice. Fortunately for all of us there are far too many people who know where that leads.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t have a “side” per say, but in my eyes Pinochet should have answered for his crimes in Chile, Franco in Spain, Castro in Cuba.
You assertion and total conviction that the US wants Assange at all cost it totally contradicted by the McKinnon case. At the very highest level they have demanded him, yet no honey-trap, no rendition, no CIA induced cancer.
Remember Magrahi, the Lybian accused of the Lockerbie bomb. The CIA wanted him too. The Scottish courts let him walk. He got on a plane and went home. No kidnap, no accidental downing of the plane, no plutonium laced umbrella spike.
Why, when both these high profile cases show that the US chooses not to/can’t interfere in UK/EU judicial process, do you think that they would do so in a far less important case? It is just paranoia.
24 Guzz (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No! Only in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned.”
Guzz
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My comment @26 was in answer to yours @22
FFF
Quite right. I think Sharia law would constitute a “moral law” system. Hum, stoning all the unfaithful women...there wouldn't be many left around here. How would that go down in Denmark Guzz?
Yoda
Well said, but I fear it is too late for him.
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Aug 22nd, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think for a moment that a person like Correa has any regard for what is right and proper. I would hope however that what we in the UK believe to be the more responsible SA Nations of Brazil, Chile, Uruguay etc would see this for what it is and disassociate themselves from what is obvious and rather pathetic political posturing. Its up to them. Still want Ecuador out once this is all over.
#29 You are correct the first thing he did in office was declare the national debt illegal and defaulted. (SA seems to have this obscure honor about being deadbeats). Then bought some toilet paper to rewrite the constitution. Then he moved onto outlawing Freedom of Press. This gives him flexibility to sentence only thoses that write critical articles of him and the government( see El Universa)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As crime crime in his country, not good:
According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 1999 was 25.92 per 100,000 population for Ecuador, 1.10 for Japan, and 5.51 for USA.
While rape in itself is not legal in Ecuador, corrective rape is common.
This man is a true South American socialist, whose only aim is to do whatever he wants to that empowers him.
Morals shall rule, the law a tool to enforce it does.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moral says one should not kill, just check every holy book on the planet. A moral that should include the governments. Stealing is wrong, we all agree. Yet the ones that steals the most are the ones who walks. Like the bankers. You see, that you choose to act unmorally does not change what is right and wrong.
Hitler had issues with bankers too, accused them all of being jews.....the rest is history. SA seems to hate the most what they can't get or abide by, all becuase their philosphy is “ Rules are meant for others, not me” wah wah wah all the the home to momma.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 31 Guzz (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 05:23 pm
I am sorry Guzz but I don't speak gibberish.
Correa has only one motive - to get one over on the UK. He considers us a puppet of the US as the only real allies he has are Chávez and the other ALBA leaders. His foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, is an out and out communist who is also delighted that Assange have given them a reason or opportunity that they are in the ascendence.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All we here in the European Union have to do is to ban all imports of bananas, flowers and cultivated shrimp/prawns from Ecuador and their attitude will change very swiftly - maybe the US may care to do so also. There are plenty of countries able increase their banana exports - Colombia, Costa Rica, Panamá, Guatemala, Belize. Colombian flowers exporters could increase their production as could shrimp/prawn producers in Thailand and Indonesia.
So who has the upper hand? Ecuador - I don't think so! They are deluded!
The only reason he feels the UK is a puppet to the USA is that he does not understand that in real partnerships and allies, they tend to respect one another sovernignty and treat one another as equals. They in SA are use to screwing the other and being screwed and being a puppet to the likes of chubby chavo and the oilers. But I don't think he uses oil when he bends over his partners.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As if the UK, with its deferential treatment of Pinochet, is in any postition to point fingers.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain's threats against Ecuador now deemed an embarassment:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/stalemate-julian-assange-still-stuck-in-embassy-despite-receiving-asylum-from-ecuador/2012/08/17/f669619c-e85d-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html
“'It was a big mistake,' said former British ambassador Oliver Miles. 'It puts the British government in the position of asking for something illegitimate.'”
Lol Forgetit
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to the blue Brits, they offered to bend the law in order to save Ecuadors face :)
Makes perfect sense if you are a blue Brit, no wonder they play the quiet card :)
@37
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Working, isn't it!!!!
reality
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, it does indeed. With you lot quiet, the risk of you messing up has decreased in a linear fashion...
@37 Guzz (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:23 pm
”Makes perfect sense if you are a blue Brit, no wonder they play the quiet card :)”
What is a Blue Brit? It can't be an insult because I know that you get very upset when people insult you so you'd never insult others. Would you?
Also. Why, in your opinion, do you thing the British diplomatic service is keeping quiet?
Don't worry I am not expecting an answer. You folk don't 'do' direct questions.
This has been a right royal feck up and no mistake but the lesson has been learned.
Ecuador cannot be trusted with confidential intergovernmental dispatches. They are not canny or even sly. They simply cannot be regarded as a country that can be trusted. Yes, you'd expect it from Wikileaks but a national diplomatic service? You couldn't make it up. And so Ecuador are stuck with Assange. We are now laying bets on when he cracks and hands himself in to the British authorities. I am putting a tenner on 6 months.
the reason ecuador will send this guy back, is , he is no good to them anymore,
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this guy at the embassy will suffer the same fate,
if he cant give ecuador what it wants, it will dump him,
still, you argies that support ecuador have no interest in justice do you.
so why should you care,
as long as you have a brit to bash, you are happy,
mm
@37
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I too, would like to know what a Blue Brit is. Is it anything like a Brazilian?
Forza Azzurri!
@40
You still on for 6 months if we clear the street outside?
FFF
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not an insult, instead of dividing us by nations, I think it is more fair to do so by ideologies. A Blue Brit would be a Brit with views on the right side of the political spectra, with reservations for generalisation (still better than treating all Brits as one)
I think they are keeping quiet because they've said enough for 2 months at least already :)
Still working I see.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#42 they use the term here in the USA blue state and red states meaning republicans and democrats. However Red is conservation/republican here and blue is liberal democrat
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the bad old days of the cold war, on excercise, friendly forces were called blue and warsaw pac red. I think the term red has now been dropped.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True blue - tories david cameron
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Red - labour ed milliband
Yellow (gold) lib democrats
Green......
Assange won't be in tvere forever. Best face sa ing mood for ecuador.. Give Assange a dodgy pizza. He's taken to hospital. He's not been handed over in the true sense of the term. Britain gets him, Sweden gets him. Everyone is happy ... except Assange!!! World War III averted!
@45 Captain Poppy (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:06 pm
It is all a bit non descript here these days. Everybody is somewhere around the middle of the road, more purple than blue or red. Extremists don't do well either to the left or the right, the last labour government could barely be distiguished from the tories apart from their easy going policy with other peoples money.
A lot depends on the issue being debated really. The Julian Assange issue has divided bloggers into starkly polarised camps. His supporters support him unconditionally while the other camp, where I belong, think that his actions simply do not add up. I don't blindly assume that he is innocent and I think that his argument that he might be extradited to the USA is lame. Too much doesn't add up.
I don't think he is gulity or innocent all I know is that he has an accusation to face and he is doing his level best not to face it and that Ecuador are aiding and abetting him for political reasons. In so doing they are meddling in the British and Swedish judicial system.
#46 I remember that as well back during the days of checkpoint charlie lol
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no reds in Europe, at least not represented on any governments. Every 4 so years they are free to choose between pest and colera :)
@50 Guzz (#)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:40 pm
”Every 4 so years they are free to choose between pest and colera :)”
Yes well that is politicians for you, they are the same the world over.
You say that because you haven't met my President :)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which one? KFC? José Mujica? John Fredrik Reinfeldt? Helle Thorning-Schmidt?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are so many of them I am bound to have met one of them.
So what is so special about him/her/it?
Numpties are red,
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnips are blue,
Mr Assange, lives in a zoo.
FFF
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All that copy paste-ing just for me? I'm honoured :)
Pepe is my President, I thought you guys knew a lot about multi-culturalism, but you seem to be a bit confuded...
Guzz,
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which Pepe is that? Lobo or Le Pew?
Yes. Just for you. You are special.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But who is Pepe? Educate me.
http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=1236015
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, it's not Pepe Reinfeldt, I can tell you as much :)
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe Mujica...Uruguay's President...........european boy!!....hahahaha
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Must be Pepe the Wimp then!
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Pepe Mujica! Thank you. Erm? South American..... erm .... boy(!)? Is it?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right. Now we have that cleared up. Why is 'Pepe' so special? What makes him so different from every other politician?
Well, he donates some 70% of his Presidential salary to the party (wont say charity or I'll have redpoll on my neck) Money that is used for social projects. Furthermore he refuses to live in tje presidential residens and prefers his own chacra. His only posesssion os his Fusca, a VW Beetle, the old model.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A man that does not rule for his own sake :)
Oh. A good honest politician is it? Well there's a surprise.
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right you are then. Who am I to argue if he makes you happy?
Why don't you live in Uruguay Guzz?
But I do! I am in Denmark right now though, is that not good?
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well this articledoes demonstrate one thing - Assange was not the first to seek asylum in Ecuador! And I predict the Belarussian dissident will not be extradited either - unless he really is the fraud Lukashenko says perhap - and to be politically realist about it for a moment the Assange case has probably strengthened his position
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Marco Albuja told reporters Wednesday that if Ecuador finds Aliaksandr Barankov's life would be at risk at home, either from the death penalty or life in prison, it will apply the same criteria it did in granting asylum to Assange.”
Aug 22nd, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#67 Indeed. The mercopress headline is unbelievably false
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0#68
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not so. Marco Albuja's statement suggests a double standard as Ecuador doesn't want Assange extradited to the United States at all, irrespective of any sentencing guarantee.
Close the Embassy, it a joke and they think they are funny.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sky News
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ecuadorian government calls for renewed dialogue with UK over Assange case after no contact for a week.”
No dialogue, no free passage out of UK, they wanted him, they got him.
#68 BK Troll why is it that people from free sociaties can accept and even criticize their leaders, but drones like you and mini kirchners never see flaws in their leaders?
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(52) Guzz
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For you; if you haven’t read it yet......
(And for all those Turnips that don’t know who Pepe is.)
http://www.monocle.com/monocolumn/2012/08/09/south-americas-unsung-political-hero/
PS:
He is my President too when I’m in Valizas…………….
@72 -Captain Poppy
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's because they are fanatics. As Churchill once famously said, 'a fanatic is one who can't change his mind, and on't change the subject.'
You see BK, Guzz and the rest of the malvinistas fear the west. They fear, and are envious of, the stable and (relatively) incorruptible political systems we have in place.
Shakespeare said, 'In time we hate that which we often fear.'
Or as Yoda said, 'Fear leads to anger, Anger leads to hate, Hate leads to suffering.'
This is why they hate the USA and UK, because they are afraid of us.
Yes LEP
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You hit the nail, we are terrified, especially of you...
Now that you unmasked us, I think I'll go and shiver in fear :)
UK's hypocrisy: http://noticias.terra.com.ar/internacionales/ecuatoriano-correa-critica-historial-extradicion-de-gran-bretana,3786cd58f9359310VgnVCM4000009bcceb0aRCRD.html
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#72 I'm very critical of Cameron =)
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 - Guzz
Aug 24th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you love South America so much, why do you hide in Europe?
And yes, some South American countries are both afraid and envious of Europe and the USA.
Here's just one example. Argentina are frightened of 1,200 UK Armed Forces stationed on the Falkland Islands. They are afraid of HMS Dauntless, which they described as the Death Star.
This is why the Argentine government hate the British. Fear, jealousy of what the British have, and because they know they are impotent to do anything about it.
As for Ecuador, someone should tell Correa that when you are up to your neck in excrement it is advisible to stop digging.
Becuse I got so scared, I just had to move... :)
Aug 24th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“big boy” :)
The UK has an atrocious human rights record, so one can promptly disregard whatever their government says, the world laughs at their pompous self-aggrandizement and no-one takes them seriously anymore.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0That could change if they showed some consistency in their values (like arresting Tony Blair, or investigating the Pinochet affair), but of course they will not because as a society they have a complete inability for self-introspection when something nasty they don't like to admit to the world may be the result.
TTT
Aug 25th, 2012 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troll (#)Aug 25th, 2012 - 02:18 amReport abuse
The UK has an atrocious human rights record, so one can promptly disregard whatever their government says.
That would be the 30,000 people we gave a one trip in helicopters over the channel then would it? Look to your own impecable human rights record, before you make such a comtemptuosly stupid comment like your last one.
@80
Aug 25th, 2012 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's all Argentina's fault Pinochet wasn't extradited. Because if Argentina hadn't invaded in 1982, the Brits wouldn't have been beholden to the old scumbag.
How am I doing here, TTT? I bought this book on LatAm Gringophobic Analysis. I think I'm getting the hang of it, but fear I may be applying it in the wrong situation.
I got the same book :)
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Uruguay it's called “10 steps out of misery”...
Amazon has a good deal on “The Root of All Evil: The Dummy's Guide to Anglophobia”. Seems all the dummies have got one already.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I also have another book, not from Amazon since European and US books are lead-imbued poison, it's called “Bubble of Denial: how the anglo-saxons of the 21st century believe they still live in the 19th” ...
Aug 25th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perfectly explains the total dearth of self-criticism of this race, andhow they all come here and really believe they are less hypocritical and more morally righteous than the rest of the world. It's an insidious residue of cultural supremacism from the Victorian age, which of course today the rest of the world laughs at, since there is nothing actually concrete that makes anglo-saxons less corrupt, richer, or have a monopoly on human rights.
Sounds like somebody has missed the satire in “Harry Potter and the Three Myths of Latin American Anglophobia” (nobody ever heard it before, the whole world buys in, and it all means anglophobes can do what they like).
Aug 25th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another item that's not selling well is Maximo Kirchner's album of unattributed Ricky Martin covers “Livin' La Viveza Criolla”. It's extremely popular, but it's only his Mum who's bought any copies. The criollos just steal it off the torrents.
Maximo's next album is called “That's not what I meant, cabrones!”
@86
Aug 25th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cabrones??? hahahahahaha. I'll let other argies explain why Maximo saying this would be funny.
As I've said before, yes latins can be corrupt, so they download on the left. But as I said, anglos are pervs, which is why the new book “What happens in Vegas, goes viral on the internet: why you should never drop your pants there” is a fascinating read. Hopefully everyone will read it, would be unfortunate if any major representative of a nation was caught off-guard and brought humilliation to his/her nation.
@87
Aug 25th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heavens no, it's all to the good. The Murdoch Sun has now renamed itself “willyleaks” and claimed immunity from any prosecution, ever.
@63 Isn't your “country” supposed to be a democracy? For the place that you occupy, I use the word “country” loosely. Please note that I also avoid the use of the word “nation”. If the words of other Uruguayans are anything to go by, YOU are certainly not part of any nation. But back to the point I was about to make. The dimwit isn't supposed to “rule”. He's supposed to govern. Preferably in the interests of his people. That means he shouldn't run off to the Wicked Ugly Botox Witch of the South every 5 minutes to find out what he's supposed to do next. But then, being a Tupamaro, I doubt you'd understand that.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 So you should. It might be the only intelligent thing you ever do!
@77 Could you not just be “critical”? Then we could turn off your life support.
@79 I thought it was because you couldn't get the qualifications you want where you come from? Surely you could have got qualifications in robbery, torture, murder, terrorism where you come from?
@80 Nowhere as bad as argieland's. Current research is that you have murdered tens of millions of Amerindians. Then, when you “ran out of” Amerindians, you started on your own. How many did YOU “disappear”, TiT? But you were not alone, were you? All over South America, Amerindians were being exterminated. Proud, are you? Just think of all that blood and all those bones you are walking on.
@87 How fortunate you are to live on a continent so rife with corruption, poverty, venality and with no idea of what the phrase “human rights” actually means. For example, your actions toward the Falkland Islanders are a clear breach of their human rights. Not to mention the breaches of the UN Charter. Do you qualify as “law-abiding”? Or only as “latino law-abiding”?
Wait conquerarsch, I was talking about “recent” times human rights records. Say, 1990 and forward. Given Tony Blair is still loose and Pinochet was let go by your so “over human rights” concerned government, all while we imprisoned our ex-leaders and allowed deportation of any suspected nazis, that makes your human rights record worse.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to go back to the 180os and the indians, then why stop there.
You have bout 1200 years more history and let's face it, just in the year 1642 more human rights violations where likely carried in the UK than in all of Argentina's history. And you have 1199 years left to analyze, including that bastion of Human rights era, the Middle Ages.
So, about comparing our human rights records as nations, you were saying...
The problem is, by rigorous if inadvertent application of the principles of Gringology, we already established beyond reasonable doubt that the release of Pinochet was all Argentina's fault. Probably best just to let that one be.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are also a couple of issues with the extradition of Tony Blair :
- nobody actually wants him
- he's not been charged by anybody with anything anyway
- he's (probably) only guilty of a catastrophic error of judgement and lying. We need to be careful of establishing a precedent which would deprive us of all our leaders at once, except maybe Mandela, the Dalai Lama, and Aung San Suu Kyi.
Maybe something of a disappearing nature could be worked out with Argentina? Or perhaps an inflatable berth could be arranged in the Messiah wing of the Ecuadorean Embassy.
Nice work in choosing the most self serving date possible, though. But I am rather surprised that your cultural heritage doesn't extend past 1816, whereas ours goes back to the Ark. I thought we were all the same species.
@90 -Tobias
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How convenient. Let's start talking about human rights from any time after the 1980's so Argentina's record isn't put under the spot light.
Your government in the 70's and 80's are responsible for far worse atrocities than anything Tony Blair is purported to have done, and the release of Pinochet.
Let's face it. Ecuador is holding Barankov, and true political prisoner, in the maximum security prison, and refuses to allow him visitors. If he is extradited he will face the death penalty.
Assange lost his appeal for extradition because he could produce NO evidence of this alleged conspiracy. He is being sent to Sweden. Sweden with one of the best human rights records in the world. Sweden, the country that protected wikileaks from the USA.
Assange is wanted for questioning on a serious charge. He has already committed a crime by breaking his bail conditions.
Ecuador shouldn't even be involved.
Assange will end up in Sweden eventually. He will not be extradited to the USA, and he will be exposed as a liar. Assanges own hubris will bring down wikileaks with him, and all because he wasn't man enough to face these serious accusations.
I love how these fools calls themselves gringos :)
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To misquote Dr House, I see you're still not familiar with the practice of sarcasm.
That's truly sarcastic, really :)
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dark and sinister, how rude of you :)
Ah what a fun thread where folk from SA go on about the atrocious human rights records of the British whilst supporting Ecuador in its bid to allow a wanted sex offender escape to a non-extradition country, oh the hypocrisy!
Aug 25th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And to back up their already non-existent argument they seek to talk about British history whilst ignoring their own catastrophic human rights failures.
It's just another example of why SA is still stuck in the gutter with that level of thinking.
You really couldn't make it up, its too funny to take seriously....
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